The Charlie Kirk Show - October 28, 2022


The Permanent Emergency with Dr. Aaron Kheriaty


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Dr. Aaron Kariati joins me to talk about his new book, "The New Normal: The Rise of the Biomedical Security State," and why we should be worried about what's to come in the future.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, an entire hour with one of the smartest people I've had on the show in a while, Dr. Caridy, to talk about historicism, scientism, science, the mRNA vaccine, transhumanism, as more.
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00:01:27.000 It's a very important topic we're about to talk about.
00:01:29.000 Our world has changed so dramatically over the last two and a half years.
00:01:33.000 It didn't have to be this way.
00:01:36.000 And people were so trusting our institutions.
00:01:38.000 It's just so unbelievable.
00:01:41.000 There's a new book out that we're going to talk about with a great author and great commentator, The New Abnormal: The Rise of the Biomedical Security State by Dr. Aaron.
00:01:54.000 And Dr. Aaron, you're going to have to pronounce your last name because I don't want to butcher it.
00:01:57.000 So tell me, how do I pronounce your last name?
00:01:59.000 It's Kariati.
00:02:00.000 Kariati, got it.
00:02:01.000 All right.
00:02:02.000 Well, so Dr. Kariati, thank you for joining us.
00:02:04.000 Tell us about your new book.
00:02:06.000 So the new abnormal is about what was rolled out, the infrastructure that was rolled out during COVID.
00:02:13.000 But instead of just being a retrospect, what happened during the pandemic and what may have gone wrong in our public policy, it's really about the future.
00:02:22.000 It's about where what I call the biomedical security state is going in the future.
00:02:27.000 And what I mean by that term is the new development where we have a militarized public health that is conjoined to mechanisms of digital surveillance and control and the police powers of the state.
00:02:45.000 So one way to sort of crystallize that is to think about vaccine passports.
00:02:51.000 So the idea back in 2018, 2019 of having to show a QR code to get on a plane, get on a train, go to a restaurant, or return to your country of origin, a QR code demonstrating that you had done what you were told to do by very often unelected public health bureaucrats or people in some private HR department.
00:03:13.000 And that could include things like injecting yourself with a novel vaccine that was approved only for emergency use.
00:03:22.000 That would have seemed crazy prior to the pandemic.
00:03:26.000 But in the context of the pandemic, where there was this declared state of emergency where people were locked down for many months and told this is the only way back to a semblance of a normal life, you have to do this.
00:03:39.000 People were willing to go along with all kinds of novel mechanisms of surveillance, control, invasive and intrusive interventions, even on their own bodies, that got us used to many things that would have seemed crazy three years ago.
00:03:57.000 And for many of us, thank goodness, COVID is mostly in the rearview mirror.
00:04:03.000 But what this book is about is showing where these developments actually came from and how they're going to be deployed in the future.
00:04:11.000 We've kind of developed a new model of governance, Charlie, that requires that we jump from one emergency to the next, each time with executives like the president of the United States or governors of various states, invoking the need for emergency powers.
00:04:29.000 So many folks don't know, for example, that at the federal level, we're still operating under a state of emergency that's been renewed every 90 days to almost no media attention by the president and the secretary of HHS, Javier Becerra, a man with no public health experience who's a lawyer from California.
00:04:50.000 Well, under that federal state of emergency, the president gains an additional 128 extra constitutional powers to deal with the emergency.
00:05:00.000 So even though Joe Biden announced on 60 Minutes last month that the pandemic is over, we're still operating under a state of emergency at the federal level.
00:05:09.000 My home state of California is still operating under a state of emergency that gives Governor Newsom additional powers that he wouldn't otherwise have.
00:05:18.000 And you could see efforts already to try to reframe other issues, not just monkeypox and viruses, but issues like climate change are being reframed as public health issues.
00:05:32.000 And many people are describing climate change now as a public health crisis.
00:05:36.000 Serious proposals have been put forth by academics and politicians to use things like rolling lockdowns to deal with climate change.
00:05:46.000 So these things are not going away.
00:05:48.000 And the new abnormal, my book, is an attempt to help people understand where did these things come from and how are they going to be deployed in the future in ways that will further compromise our freedoms.
00:06:02.000 So the name of the book is The New Abnormal, The Rise of the Biosecurity State. 0.92
00:06:02.000 Yeah. 0.92
00:06:06.000 And it's very well endorsed by some terrific people.
00:06:10.000 And so, you know, as we kind of look to see what's happening in the future, one of the topics I want to talk to you about is the transhumanist dream.
00:06:19.000 What is transhumanism and how does that connect with biomedical fascism?
00:06:24.000 Right.
00:06:25.000 So transhumanism is an idea, or it's probably better to say an ideology, maybe even a religious type ideology that's very influential among many of our elites, including powerful people in Silicon Valley, powerful people among the kind of global elites that gather at the World Economic Forum in Davos every year.
00:06:51.000 And the basic idea of transhumanism is that we should use science and technology not only to treat disease and to help people who are impaired by disease or disability to recover or to regain functionality, to return people to a normal level of human functioning.
00:07:10.000 But transhumanism says, no, we have to use science and technology, including especially biomedical technology, gene editing, and things like that, to go beyond human limits and to make people to enhance people, to make them bigger, faster, stronger, better than well.
00:07:31.000 And the ultimate transhumanist dream, which is really a kind of religious aspiration, is maybe we can use science and technology to make people potentially live forever.
00:07:43.000 To be immortal, basically, right?
00:07:43.000 To expand.
00:07:45.000 To basically be immortal.
00:07:47.000 It's this kind of religious eschatological dream that, You know, through science and technology, we'll be able to, for example, upload our brains onto some digital cloud and somehow live on the ether of the digital cloud indefinitely without our bodies.
00:08:07.000 So, there's this idea that we need to transcend our materiality, we need to transcend the limits of the human body.
00:08:14.000 And this relates to the other trends that I describe in the book because it requires that people accept intrusions and invasions on their privacy and into their body that they would otherwise be reluctant to do.
00:08:35.000 One of the other transhumanist dreams is the ability to control large populations through technological means.
00:08:43.000 So, I spent a lot of time in the book talking about what I think are the next steps in this, which are things like digital IDs tied to biometric data, not just iris scans and facial scans and fingerprints, but eventually moment-to-moment data that comes from implantable devices on your heart rate, your blood pressure, other signs of emotional reactions.
00:09:11.000 Central bank digital currencies that are tied into these biometric IDs will allow sort of not only moment-to-moment monitoring of where I am and what I'm doing and probably what I'm feeling, but also moment-to-moment monitoring of all my financial transactions.
00:09:30.000 And that allows an unprecedented level of sort of not just surveillance, but also nudges and eventually something more than nudges to control people's behavior.
00:09:44.000 So, behavioral control is a central part of the agenda that I try to describe and unpack in the book.
00:09:54.000 And basically, what we saw during COVID was a huge leap forward in terms of the kind of behavioral and biomedical controls that people were willing to accept under this state of emergency and out of fear of the virus and the pandemic.
00:10:12.000 And so, I worry that people have gotten used to things that now that we're coming out of the pandemic, we have to sort of step back and say, wait a minute, were these, first of all, were these things necessary to manage the pandemic?
00:10:26.000 Did they actually save lives?
00:10:28.000 Did things like lockdowns and vaccine mandates and vaccine passports actually accomplish the public health purposes for which they were instituted?
00:10:38.000 And my argument in the book is that no, they didn't, which suggests that they must have been instituted and maintained for other reasons.
00:10:47.000 And I think those reasons include, to a large extent, the desire of many state actors and many powerful private actors, including corporate interests, to have unprecedented access to not only behavioral data, but also behavioral controls.
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00:12:11.000 So, Doctor, we're talking about mRNA gene-altering vaccines.
00:12:15.000 Is there some connection, or is it a bridge too far to say that gene-altering vaccines might be laying the groundwork for transhumanism?
00:12:23.000 Is all this stuff kind of together philosophically?
00:12:26.000 Walk us through it.
00:12:28.000 So, I don't think it's a bridge too far because we can ask the question, why was mRNA chosen as the preferred platform for the new vaccines?
00:12:40.000 One reason is it could be scaled up very quickly, but another reason is that there's strong interest in gene therapies and certainly legitimate uses for gene therapies in terms of treating illness and disease, but also a strong interest in gene therapies for so-called human enhancement, which if taken to the extreme will lead in the direction of transhumanism, which we talked about a moment ago.
00:13:09.000 There was a strong attempt to reassure people that the mRNA vaccines would not alter our DNA, our genome.
00:13:20.000 And I think that attempt to make the claim that that wouldn't happen was premature.
00:13:26.000 Does the mRNA vaccine alter our genome?
00:13:29.000 The accurate answer to that question is we don't know yet.
00:13:33.000 The reason I say that is there was an in vivo study of cells in a laboratory that came out a few months ago showing that the mRNA basically was transcribed and created fragments of genetic material that were then reinserted into the genome of human liver cells in a laboratory.
00:13:56.000 So, the next experiment that needs to be done is to see if that happens in vivo in an actual human body.
00:14:02.000 So, do we know that that's happening in the human body?
00:14:05.000 No, we don't, but we have some preliminary evidence that suggests it may be happening because we saw it happen in a laboratory.
00:14:14.000 I'm not suggesting that was the intended consequence of these genetic vaccines.
00:14:19.000 I don't think it was the intended consequence, but it's certainly a sign that this technology is very powerful.
00:14:28.000 There's a lot about it that we don't understand, and there's a lot of work that still needs to be done to make sure that any therapeutics derived from technologies that have either utilized their genetic machinery, like the mRNA vaccines, or have the potential to alter our genes, that that be very, very carefully studied.
00:14:50.000 And that we have a robust public conversation about how and when these things should be deployed, especially deployed on a mass scale for entire populations.
00:15:02.000 And what really happened in 2021 with a mass vaccination campaign is that we ran the largest human trial, the largest experiment on human beings ever done in the history of the world.
00:15:19.000 And as more and more data comes out about the fact that efficacy of these vaccines was only very short-term, hence the need for frequent boosters.
00:15:30.000 And now, as more and more information is coming out about potential safety problems and adverse effects of these vaccines, I think it's not too much to say that this is an experiment that by and large failed.
00:15:45.000 This is an experiment that we certainly should learn some lessons from so that we don't rush novel products to market again under the guise of an emergency or during a state in which people are panicked and afraid and in a rush to fix the problem, that we still need to maintain our bearings and our wits.
00:16:09.000 We still need to conduct very rigorous studies before we deploy something like a novel gene therapy on such a mass scale.
00:16:20.000 But this has normalized the idea of injecting mRNA-based products.
00:16:26.000 And this is another issue that I discuss in the book because this technology is powerful not only for potentially healing diseases, but for potential applications of so-called human enhancement.
00:16:41.000 And that can take us down some really ethically problematic places if we're not careful.
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00:17:52.000 I want to get into another one of the questions here where you talk about follow the scientism.
00:17:59.000 So, Doctor, science used to be about the discovery of the natural world and to use any breakthroughs to be able to help human beings flourish.
00:18:07.000 Now it seems as if post-1920s, especially post-Darwin and eugenics philosophy really set in, it's about using science to dominate nature, whether it be via abortions, interventions, changing children from a young age.
00:18:22.000 Can you talk about that?
00:18:24.000 Yeah.
00:18:25.000 So you're absolutely right.
00:18:27.000 Science is a method or a process.
00:18:31.000 It's a way of investigating the world that requires that you remain open to new information, that you question every hypothesis.
00:18:40.000 If you put a group of real scientists together in a room, Charlie, what they're going to do is they're going to debate, they're going to argue, they're going to discuss, you know, what's the meaning of this study?
00:18:52.000 What about the methods of that study?
00:18:55.000 What does the research as a whole on this particular topic show?
00:18:58.000 What is the upshot?
00:19:01.000 Science is totally incompatible with censorship, with the shutting down of debate or the sidelining of contrary ideas or contrary hypotheses.
00:19:13.000 But what we saw advancing during the pandemic, and you were absolutely right when you mentioned that this ideology goes back to 19th century German philosophy.
00:19:24.000 So it's been with us for a while, but we saw it really rear its ugly head during the pandemic that scientism, which we have to distinguish from science as a method for investigating the natural world.
00:19:36.000 Scientism is an ideology that says a couple of things.
00:19:40.000 One, science is the only valid form of knowledge.
00:19:44.000 So it claims a monopoly on all knowledge, not just on scientific findings.
00:19:50.000 And so ideas that come from ethics, from philosophy, from religion, from other areas of human experience are excluded from rational conversation or from public discussion.
00:20:04.000 And this is why scientism is intrinsically totalitarian.
00:20:08.000 Because what do all totalitarian societies do?
00:20:12.000 The totalitarian ideology, whether it's Marxism or Nazism or scientism for that matter, claims a monopoly on knowledge.
00:20:22.000 It claims a monopoly on what counts as rational.
00:20:24.000 That's so true.
00:20:25.000 Right.
00:20:26.000 So, so the Marxist ideologue doesn't actually have a conversation with people who disagree with him.
00:20:33.000 He says, well, you don't understand the dialectical movement of history.
00:20:37.000 You don't read Hegel.
00:20:38.000 Yeah, you probably.
00:20:39.000 Yeah, you haven't read Hegel.
00:20:40.000 You're just, you know, this is bourgeois consciousness or for the Nazis. 0.79
00:20:44.000 This is Jew consciousness. 0.98
00:20:46.000 So we're going to exclude you from the realm of rational conversation and just steamroll you rather than actually having an open dialogue conversation debate of our ideas on their own merits.
00:20:56.000 Well, this is exactly what scientism does as well.
00:20:59.000 And once you've set things up that way, then it's scientism is a tool for the exercise of power, right?
00:21:07.000 Because if I'm a governor or another elected official who's telling my constituents we have to follow the experts or follow the science, right?
00:21:17.000 I can pick which experts I tap and which ones are supposedly representing science and thereby have a monopoly on knowledge and then work to censor or to sideline or to steamroll any dissident scientists or even just dissident citizens who say,
00:21:39.000 well, look, what Dr. Fauci said on TV last month completely contradicts what he said on TV this month.
00:21:48.000 And so I may not be a scientist, but I can spot a logical contradiction, right?
00:21:53.000 I can see when a particular conclusion doesn't follow from the premises that you've laid out.
00:21:59.000 I'm in possession of rationality and common sense.
00:22:02.000 But no, that's excluded because you lack the expertise or you're not part of the in-crowd that's establishing what's true and what's not true.
00:22:12.000 So this is a very bad setup because all knowledge and all truth and all science becomes instrumentalized, right?
00:22:22.000 It's used as a tool of power rather than as a method for adjudicating and finding the truth.
00:22:29.000 In fact, the whole idea of truth really doesn't have a place when you're talking about scientism.
00:22:35.000 Scientism is about power.
00:22:37.000 Why is that?
00:22:37.000 It's not about truth.
00:22:38.000 First of all, the last five minutes are probably some of the most important five minutes we've had in our program around this topic.
00:22:43.000 So we're going to clip that.
00:22:44.000 I hope everyone was listening carefully.
00:22:46.000 I was actually taking notes.
00:22:47.000 I wasn't ignoring you because you said three things that were really beautifully stated.
00:22:51.000 Scientism believes science is the only form of knowledge and it dismisses philosophy, ethics, you know, metaphysical, you know, pondering, you know, the idea of wonder or goodness or truth or beauty.
00:23:02.000 Scientism is necessarily totalitarian and then science becomes a tool of oppressing people.
00:23:08.000 Three very important points there, well summarized.
00:23:10.000 But you just said, and it would be, people would think it's the opposite, though.
00:23:14.000 If we're investigating the natural world, wouldn't that mean we're trying to pursue truth?
00:23:18.000 Why does truth then have no place?
00:23:21.000 It doesn't seem to fit.
00:23:23.000 So again, that's a great question.
00:23:25.000 Let me unpack that a little bit further.
00:23:27.000 Again, people confuse science and scientism, right?
00:23:31.000 So science is, yes, let's investigate the natural world.
00:23:35.000 And I'm all in favor of that.
00:23:37.000 I've loved science from my youth.
00:23:39.000 I'm a physician.
00:23:41.000 I rely upon science every day in my clinical practice of medicine.
00:23:46.000 And I spent much of my life studying science to get where I am.
00:23:52.000 So, science, yes, scientism, no.
00:23:55.000 Again, scientism claims a monopoly on knowledge.
00:23:59.000 And it's the totalitarian conception of science, which is not about an open-ended search for truth and following the evidence wherever it leads.
00:24:11.000 It's about using science or the veneer of science as a tool for ideological control.
00:24:19.000 And let me explain a little bit more how this works.
00:24:23.000 If you go back to Marxist ideology, Marxist ideology denied that we all participate in a shared rationality that would allow us to argue and debate and pursue the truth, which is outside of us, which is objective.
00:24:38.000 Scientism does the same thing by claiming a monopoly on knowledge, by claiming that we have the truth and you're not allowed to question what we say, right?
00:24:49.000 I, in my person, represent the science, capital T, capital S, right?
00:24:55.000 I am instrumentalizing knowledge.
00:24:58.000 What I mean by that is knowledge is not the pursuit of truth.
00:25:02.000 It's the exercise of power.
00:25:04.000 So Lenin was being a perfectly consistent Marxist.
00:25:08.000 He wasn't making some exaggerated sort of quip when somebody asked him the question: what is ethics in terms of this communist revolution?
00:25:22.000 What is good and what is evil?
00:25:23.000 And Lenin's response was: good is whatever serves the goals of the revolution, right?
00:25:31.000 Which is exactly how that ideology works.
00:25:36.000 All knowledge is useful if it leads to a certain end.
00:25:41.000 And any knowledge that might dissuade people from pursuing that end is automatically defined as not legitimate, right?
00:25:50.000 And this is, again, what happened with the scientism, not the science, but scientism that we saw operating during the pandemic.
00:25:58.000 Let me give you a concrete example.
00:26:00.000 What happened with public health during the pandemic was not public health officials saying, okay, let's look at a constantly evolving body of research and science and what we're learning about this virus and present information accurately to the public in a nuanced way so that people can make wise decisions for their health.
00:26:22.000 That's not what they did.
00:26:23.000 That's what they should have done, but that's not what they did.
00:26:26.000 What public health officials did instead is they decided in advance, what is the behavior that we want everyone to engage in, whether it's wearing a mask or locking down or staying six feet apart or a needle in every arm.
00:26:40.000 And then they said, let's present only the information that we think will move people in the direction of that behavior.
00:26:48.000 And let's sideline, silence, not mention, or even actively censor any information that might undermine that behavioral outcome, right?
00:26:59.000 So the first way that I said, what we should have done, give accurate information, let people make informed decisions for their own health and the health of their children, that was, that would have been following the science, right?
00:27:12.000 But following the scientism was, let's decide the behavioral outcome in advance that we want to achieve.
00:27:18.000 And then let's basically engage in, if you think about what I described, it's exercises in propaganda, right?
00:27:27.000 That's what propaganda is.
00:27:28.000 Only present information that will be conducive to this behavioral outcome and sideline any information that might undermine it.
00:27:36.000 Let's engage in propaganda to get that outcome.
00:27:38.000 That's the instrumental use of knowledge.
00:27:42.000 That's the totalitarian conception of science, which is a distortion of the scientific enterprise in order to exercise behavioral control over large populations.
00:27:55.000 That's really well said.
00:27:59.000 Doctor, there's so many different topics we could talk about here.
00:28:02.000 Let's talk about kind of one of the Orwellian ones.
00:28:04.000 On page 134, you have a whole section on biosecurity Newspeak, which is actually changing the language of how we're able to label things, which obviously words are vessels for truth.
00:28:16.000 Tell us why that's so important.
00:28:18.000 So, Newspeak comes from George Orwell's novel 1984.
00:28:23.000 And those who have read the novel may remember that basically the totalitarian regime described in that famous dystopian work of fiction developed a whole dictionary of the English language that was designed to distort the truth rather than to convey the truth and to confuse thinking, make it almost impossible for people to think clearly through the manipulation of language.
00:28:53.000 And so, what I do in that section of the book is I go through some of the recent developments during the pandemic and the distortions of language that were deployed, again,
00:29:06.000 not as words are supposed to be deployed as a vehicle for conveying accurate information or for helping people to understand the truth of what's happening, but instead for making it harder for people to think clearly about things like our pandemic policies or to think clearly about legal issues in terms of what rights were being taken away from Americans during the pandemic because of some of the policies that were advanced.
00:29:33.000 And so, what I try to do in that section is to help people to be aware of some of the buzzwords that have been recently introduced and the ways in which these cloud our thinking and confuse us.
00:29:49.000 And also to point out that those effects and those results are not accidental, that none of this was done by accident.
00:29:59.000 It's not that our journalists or people in control of media messaging or our public health authorities that were conveying messages to the public during the pandemic.
00:30:10.000 It's not that they were just sort of sloppy with grammar and didn't understand how to communicate clearly.
00:30:19.000 It was a deliberate effort in many cases to make it harder for people to really understand what was going on.
00:30:27.000 And this kind of abuse of language, when it starts occurring on a widespread scale in society, is never a good sign.
00:30:36.000 Because again, if you go back to what we talked about in the last section about some of the underlying totalitarian tendencies, those always begin with efforts to confuse and to misuse and to abuse language in order to achieve a particular purpose.
00:30:55.000 And I've used this word, Charlie, totalitarian a couple of times.
00:31:00.000 And some of our listeners might think, well, Dr. Cariati, those concerns are overblown.
00:31:04.000 I mean, we still live in a democratic republic.
00:31:06.000 We're relatively free.
00:31:08.000 Why are you talking about this in terms of totalitarianism?
00:31:12.000 And what I want to make clear is that by totalitarian, I don't mean that we live in a society with concentration camps or secret police, you know, men in jack boots or even mass surveillance, although that is becoming an issue in our society as well, which I talk about in the book.
00:31:30.000 But Eric Voglund, the great political theorist who studied 20th century totalitarianism, said the central feature of all totalitarianisms is not concentration camps or secret police or mass surveillance.
00:31:43.000 The central feature of all totalitarianisms is the inability to ask certain questions.
00:31:48.000 That's right.
00:31:49.000 The forbidding of questions, which we saw in spades during the pandemic.
00:31:54.000 Totalitarianism wants to control.
00:31:58.000 wants to control people not just externally.
00:32:00.000 That's what dictators do.
00:32:01.000 Dictators control you externally through fear, fear of punishment, fear of being jailed if you say the wrong thing.
00:32:07.000 Totalitarian societies ultimately aim at controlling your thinking.
00:32:12.000 That's right.
00:32:12.000 Such that dissident ideas, dissident thoughts, questions about what's going on in the regime no longer occur to you.
00:32:20.000 And that's an even worse form of slavery because you've internalized the ideology.
00:32:25.000 As Orwell wrote, he said, the only way to keep a thought from the big brother or the regime is to first keep it from yourself.
00:32:34.000 That's right.
00:32:35.000 Exactly.
00:32:36.000 Exactly.
00:32:36.000 That's right.
00:32:37.000 Orwell understood this stuff so well.
00:32:40.000 He saw it when he went to Spain.
00:32:41.000 He saw what could happen.
00:32:42.000 Doctor, we're out of time.
00:32:44.000 Thank you so much.
00:32:44.000 Deeply appreciate it.
00:32:45.000 Awesome.
00:32:45.000 And check out his book.
00:32:47.000 It's really great.
00:32:48.000 The new abnormal, the rise of the biomedical security state.
00:32:52.000 Thank you, doctor.
00:32:53.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:32:56.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:32:58.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:33:01.000 Thank you so much for listening.
00:33:02.000 God bless.
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