The Charlie Kirk Show - The Political Persecution of MAGA with Paul Manafort and Kevin Kiley

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00:01:14.000 Gavin Newsom is making headlines.

00:01:16.000 I believe Gavin Newsome is going to run for president and he's going to be the Democrat nominee in 2024.

00:01:22.000 I've said that for quite some time.

00:01:24.000 He could raise money and he knows kind of how to play the game.

00:01:28.000 Joe Biden had an interview with 60 Minutes where he said, I haven't made my mind up of whether or not I'm going to run in 2024.

00:01:37.000 I believe they're going to indict Hunter Biden after the midterms to try to make it seem as if the FBI is, let's just say, non-political on some sort of paperwork stuff, but there's some deeper stuff that obviously ties him to the big man.

00:01:48.000 And then there's going to be a meeting with Joe Biden where they blackmail Joe Biden into not running in 2024 because he's incredibly beatable.

00:01:55.000 He'll serve out his entire first term.

00:01:57.000 The question, of course, will be, where does Cammie fall into all of this?

00:02:01.000 California is very important.

00:02:02.000 We can't take our eyes off California.

00:02:03.000 It's the largest state. 0.67

00:02:05.000 And it just frustrates me greatly what these cockroaches have done to the beautiful state of California.

00:02:10.000 Joining us now is Kevin Kiley.

00:02:12.000 He's running for Congress.

00:02:13.000 He's a great American patriot.

00:02:15.000 And he joins us right now.

00:02:16.000 Kevin, welcome back to the show.

00:02:18.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:02:19.000 Great to be with you, as always.

00:02:20.000 First, how's your race going?

00:02:21.000 Your race is kind of a bellwether. 0.98

00:02:22.000 If you can win it, it'll be very good for the country.

00:02:24.000 How's your race going?

00:02:26.000 That's right.

00:02:26.000 It's going really well.

00:02:27.000 I think we're on track.

00:02:28.000 It's going to be a competitive race.

00:02:30.000 I'm running against someone who has been a full-fledged supporter of the Biden and Pelosi agenda.

00:02:35.000 And it's a seat we've really got to win in order to take the majority in the House.

00:02:38.000 So we're on our way, but it's going to be a battle here because they're throwing everything they can at us.

00:02:42.000 So, yeah, what is the composition of the district of which you're running in?

00:02:46.000 It covers about 10 different counties in the population centers, Placer County, some of the suburbs of Sacramento.

00:02:53.000 It includes Lake Tahoe and actually goes all the way down to Death Valley.

00:02:56.000 So it's a massive district about the size of West Virginia.

00:02:59.000 No, but what?

00:03:00.000 So is it an R plus three or is it just about an R plus four?

00:03:04.000 It's an R plus four.

00:03:05.000 And are you running up against the Democrat then in your, because it's a goofy system, right?

00:03:11.000 Is it two Republicans or is it two Democrats?

00:03:13.000 That's me against a Democrat.

00:03:14.000 Yeah.

00:03:15.000 So it's, you know, it's a crazy system, but it kind of emerged in a normal way this time.

00:03:18.000 Well, based on what you're telling me, then you should be just, you know, you should be great if the trends continue.

00:03:23.000 In your district, what are the people really focused on?

00:03:26.000 Is inflation a big issue?

00:03:27.000 Immigration? 0.80

00:03:27.000 Talk about that. 0.80

00:03:28.000 Yeah, I mean, inflation, number one, as well as the other problems plaguing our economy like that right now, like the fact that we still can't get people to work to staff small businesses.

00:03:38.000 Certainly, immigration is very high on the list.

00:03:41.000 And then public safety as well, you know, and homelessness.

00:03:44.000 We're seeing rising crime rates, the deterioration of our communities all around us.

00:03:48.000 And this is what Gavin Newsom now wants to export to the rest of America.

00:03:51.000 So talk about that.

00:03:52.000 Gavin Newsom seems to have, let's just say, national ambitions.

00:03:56.000 He has adequately screwed up your state and messed it up into oblivion.

00:04:00.000 What is Gavin Newsom's, I guess, plan right now?

00:04:03.000 He's challenged Ron DeSantis to a debate.

00:04:06.000 I don't think that would go very well for him.

00:04:07.000 Your thoughts?

00:04:09.000 Well, I don't think it would go well at all.

00:04:10.000 I mean, it would be a very clear choice.

00:04:12.000 Do you want to live in the state that everyone is leaving or do you want to live in the state that people are moving to?

00:04:17.000 Gavin Newsom has brought California to a breaking point.

00:04:20.000 We had for 170 straight years of our state's history, more people were coming to California than we're leaving.

00:04:25.000 It took Gavin Newsom taking office to reverse that trend.

00:04:28.000 So now we have a net outflow of people.

00:04:31.000 But what is a Gavin Newsom up to?

00:04:32.000 Well, yeah, he's just trying to get his name in the headlines, build his profile, hoe of recamp. 0.99

00:04:36.000 That's what he's been doing from the beginning of his governorship, by the way.

00:04:39.000 He does all these sort of desperate gambits and poys from the moment that he took office.

00:04:44.000 As soon as COVID-19 started, he viewed this as a huge PR opportunity.

00:04:48.000 And our entire COVID policy was crafted around the objective of getting him in the headlines and building his national profile as much as possible.

00:04:56.000 And that's why he insisted on having one man rule.

00:04:59.000 You could get in the headlines faster if you could just rule things by fiat.

00:05:02.000 And so this has been something we've had to deal with for quite some time.

00:05:05.000 It frustrates even Democrats in our legislature that he doesn't even bother to deal with them in a lot of cases.

00:05:11.000 He just wants to go straight to the news cameras.

00:05:13.000 And it's, you know, but no secret either that the end game has all along been an eventual presidential run, which it seems he's nearing closer to every day.

00:05:23.000 So talk about, if elected to Congress, kind of what your focus will be.

00:05:26.000 Something that I'm pushing every Republican running for Congress is to make sure there's some sort of oversight of these 87,000 IRS agents.

00:05:34.000 In fact, trying to get rid of them.

00:05:35.000 Is it going to be your intent to try to get rid of these 87,000 IRS agents if you go into Congress?

00:05:41.000 Oh, of course.

00:05:41.000 I mean, and certainly to rein them in from ruining, you know, from harassing people, millions and millions of Americans.

00:05:48.000 And, you know, that's just a starting point.

00:05:49.000 I mean, if we get the majority in the House, then it's a whole new ballgame because we then have the power to call oversight hearings, to call agency officials to come and testify, to provide proper oversight of what all of these agencies are doing.

00:06:03.000 And so it will, in a major way, put the brakes on this train wreck of an administration that we're dealing with.

00:06:09.000 And so I think that needs to be the first priority is, you know, just reining in the Biden administration in every way possible.

00:06:15.000 And we then need to offer our own constructive vision for how we can get the economy turned around, how we can get the country turned around, how we can, you know, rein in inflation, how we can, you know, reverse the disastrous open border policies that Biden has introduced and so forth.

00:06:30.000 And that'll set us up well, I think, for 2024.

00:06:32.000 So, you know, I want to talk a little bit more about California here, which is, you know, something that frustrates a lot of people, where California has kind of fallen.

00:06:43.000 Do you think we could flip some other seats here in California, get some Democrats out of the way?

00:06:48.000 What are some other races in California that you're looking at on the House congressional side?

00:06:52.000 Sure.

00:06:52.000 I mean, we have a handful of races where I think we've got a great shot at beating incumbents.

00:06:56.000 Scott Baugh is running a very strong campaign against KP Porter in Orange County.

00:07:01.000 You have an open seat kind of a little south of Sacramento that was kind of viewed as a fairly safe Democrat seat, but actually the Republican vote was stronger in the primary.

00:07:11.000 John Duarte is the candidate there.

00:07:14.000 Even Congresswoman Brownlee has a very strong opponent in Matt Jacobs.

00:07:19.000 And there's a few other seats that I think we got a shot at.

00:07:22.000 And so I think that this is an opportunity to pick up maybe a few seats in California, and that'll be a big part of regaining the majority nationally.

00:07:30.000 Yeah, so there's some flippable seats here.

00:07:31.000 It looks like the third district, the 22nd, the 45th, the 9th, the 27th, the 47th, the 13th, the 41st, and the 49th.

00:07:38.000 You know, some people say, oh, you know, California, what does it matter?

00:07:41.000 For example, they live in Arizona, they live in Colorado, or they live in Idaho.

00:07:44.000 No, if we want to take back the House, we have to do well in California, don't we?

00:07:48.000 That's right.

00:07:48.000 I mean, our seats, you know, this is a blue state, but we have more congressional seats up for grabs than really anywhere in the country.

00:07:55.000 And so that's why, you know, races like mine, where mine is one of those seats that we really have to win in order to get the majority back, is going to have huge implications for the entire country.

00:08:05.000 And not only that, I think it's important to have good, strong conservatives from California in Congress in order to tell the truth about what's actually been going on in California.

00:08:13.000 As Newsom tries, you know, his whole shtick is California is some model for the nation, and we need to nationalize all of these terrible California policies.

00:08:20.000 And so I want to be a voice in Congress saying, no, California is not a model for the nation.

00:08:24.000 It's a warning to the nation.

00:08:26.000 We do not want to go down this same failed path.

00:08:28.000 Yeah.

00:08:28.000 And I mean, I'm not trying to demoralize people, but absent a major divine intervention, Gavin is going to probably win reelection.

00:08:35.000 It's just structurally difficult.

00:08:37.000 But that doesn't mean we can't win all the way up and down the ballot, that we can't win house races, mayor races.

00:08:42.000 We can't flip districts.

00:08:44.000 California's a long-term project.

00:08:45.000 Yeah, absolutely. 0.96

00:08:46.000 Or school board races as well.

00:08:47.000 That's one of the things that I'm focusing on.

00:08:48.000 We have hundreds and hundreds of parent leaders who are now stepping up to run for school boards in California.

00:08:54.000 And that will be a, you know, I think a major counterweight to the disastrous policies that we have coming out of Sacramento.

00:09:01.000 And so I think that actually we have a chance to really start to get a lot of things moving in the right direction here in California in this election and for the entire country as well.

00:09:09.000 So I'm excited about what the next few weeks have in store.

00:09:12.000 Very good.

00:09:12.000 Kevin Kiley, thanks for coming on the program.

00:09:14.000 Your website, just for everyone to know, what is the website?

00:09:17.000 Electkevinkiley.com.

00:09:18.000 Electkevinkiley.com.

00:09:20.000 We're behind you, Kevin.

00:09:20.000 It looks like you're going to win.

00:09:21.000 People help them if you can.

00:09:23.000 And you're going to be part of a very exciting new freshman group of Congress to get rid of these 87,000 new IRS agents, to hold the IRS accountable, to find out what's going on at the FBI, find out what's going on in DOJ, and impeach Mayorkas, all that good stuff.

00:09:36.000 Thank you so much, Kevin.

00:09:36.000 We appreciate you.

00:09:37.000 Thank you.

00:09:38.000 You bet.

00:09:38.000 Thanks, Charlie.

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00:10:43.000 Once they have a narrative, they will send it through the Mockingbird machine.

00:10:50.000 In fact, that is exactly what we learned thanks to the Church and Pike Committee.

00:10:56.000 And we need a new Church and Pike Committee.

00:10:58.000 We need a Jordan Hawley committee.

00:11:00.000 Church and Pike, we're a U.S. Senate and House equivalent.

00:11:03.000 Jim Jordan, Josh Hawley, I think that'd be a great kind of one-two punch or a Hawley Paul committee.

00:11:10.000 This is why we have to take back the House and the Senate, everybody.

00:11:13.000 I know some of you say, Charlie, I am not a fan of Dr. Ross.

00:11:19.000 Okay, well, we had him on our program.

00:11:21.000 I thought that it was very helpful and instructive.

00:11:23.000 But can I convince you to maybe get us a Republican majority so that we can have a special committee to go look into the funding of Operation Mockingbird 2.0?

00:11:35.000 What do you think we will learn if we're able to get a Republican majority?

00:11:40.000 If we get a Republican majority, we will, the grassroots, this program, War Room, Tucker, the number one priority will be oversight investigation, oversight investigation, oversight investigation.

00:11:53.000 Operation Mockingbird was a large-scale program of the Central Intelligence Agency that attempted to manipulate domestic American news media organizations for propagandist purposes.

00:12:08.000 We only learned about this thanks to the Church and Pike Committee.

00:12:13.000 Cut 25 is a great example of Operation Mockingbird still in place today.

00:12:21.000 Play Cut 25.

00:12:22.000 Amazon has transformed its operations in response to COVID-19 to protect employees and keep packages flowing, protect employees, and keep packages.

00:12:33.000 And how do you do it?

00:12:35.000 The company is keeping its health companies.

00:12:38.000 That's a whole thing.

00:12:39.000 The company is keeping its health.

00:12:43.000 Millions of Americans staying at America. 0.94

00:12:47.000 And that is how it works.

00:12:49.000 It's like a house of mirrors where you're seeing the same thing over and over and over again.

00:12:55.000 Except it's distorted.

00:12:57.000 I couldn't have said it any better than myself.

00:12:59.000 The eunuch was spot on.

00:13:01.000 So Operation Mockingbird, just like a mockingbird, it hears something and it repeats it and it repeats it.

00:13:05.000 Cut 28, another great example of how Operation Mockingbird conducts itself.

00:13:10.000 Play Cut 28.

00:13:12.000 The sharing of biased and false.

00:13:13.000 False news has become all too common on social media.

00:13:17.000 More alarming than some media.

00:13:22.000 Without checking facts first.

00:13:24.000 Unfortunately, some members of Brazil use their platforms to push their own personal thoughts and agenda controls.

00:13:33.000 This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.

00:13:37.000 They all parrot each other, but the question is, where does it come from?

00:13:42.000 We're learning that.

00:13:43.000 We learn that with the Soros-backed Operation Campaign through good information.

00:13:48.000 We learn it through maybe the federal government coming in and inputting this.

00:13:52.000 It's the narrative industrial complex.

00:13:56.000 The narrative industrial complex is able to get into a news cycle and completely change it.

00:14:02.000 In fact, Nancy Pelosi is explaining kind of saying the private part out loud in Cut 26 on how smear narratives established.

00:14:12.000 This is exactly what happened with Russia Gate, Play Cut 26.

00:14:15.000 You smear somebody with falsehoods and all the rest, and then you merchandise it.

00:14:22.000 And then you write it, and thus they see this reported in the press, so they have that validation that the press reported the smear, and then it's called the ramp-up smear.

00:14:32.000 Now I'm going to merchandise the press's report on the smear that we made.

00:14:36.000 And it's a tactic.

00:14:38.000 And then they report on the smear tactic.

00:14:41.000 That's how this works.

00:14:43.000 Cut 24 is explaining where this comes from during the Church and Pike Committee.

00:14:50.000 And this is exactly what they did to Paul Manafort, Play Cut 24.

00:14:56.000 During a Senate committee investigation, it was revealed that the CIA had been conducting a covert operation to infiltrate and control U.S. media.

00:15:06.000 They called it Operation Mockingbird.

00:15:08.000 Over 3,000 CIA contracted and trained operatives are placed in key positions within top media outlets.

00:15:16.000 Posing as editors and journalists, these well-paid actors never dared to question the effect of their lies on the world beyond their cozy studio.

00:15:24.000 How often does the CIA manipulate the media in this way?

00:15:28.000 It goes beyond your wildest imagination.

00:15:33.000 So back in the 1970s, the Central Intelligence Agency, that's 1975, had 3,000 paid operatives in American media.

00:15:44.000 How many do you think they have today?

00:15:46.000 Who on the mainstream media networks do you think is currently on CIA payroll?

00:15:51.000 I'd love your thoughts.

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00:15:53.000 Do you think they stopped doing this 1975 to now?

00:15:57.000 Why is it that this is not mentioned more often?

00:15:59.000 Who in conservative media is on CIA payroll?

00:16:03.000 Who in the Democrat media is on CIA payroll?

00:16:07.000 Or maybe they just stopped.

00:16:08.000 Maybe the CIA stopped after 1975.

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00:18:04.000 I've been reading this fabulous book.

00:18:06.000 You've heard me mention it over the last couple of weeks, and it's absolutely perfect to our next fabulous guest.

00:18:14.000 Darkness at Noon by Arthur Kessler.

00:18:16.000 It's not an easy read, but it centers around a political prisoner.

00:18:23.000 It centers around this idea of the Soviet Union.

00:18:25.000 Actually, it doesn't name the Soviet Union in the book, but it's very clear it is the Soviet Union.

00:18:28.000 About how the state, the Leviathan, needs to eliminate opposition political voices or people that even deem to see opposition political voices.

00:18:38.000 It's a fabulous piece of literature.

00:18:40.000 But we don't need to go look at Darkness at Noon as an instructive piece to the kind of puzzle here.

00:18:46.000 We could talk to an actual political prisoner here on the Charlie Kirk show.

00:18:50.000 There are political prisoners still right now from the January 6th event that have just been forgotten.

00:18:57.000 I want to talk to Paul Manafort about his story because what happened to him is totally wrong.

00:19:02.000 Hunted by the deep state.

00:19:04.000 He's the author of a new book, Political Prisoner, Persecuted, Prosecuted, But Not Silenced.

00:19:08.000 Paul Manafort joins us right now.

00:19:11.000 Paul, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:19:13.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:19:14.000 It's good to be with you today.

00:19:15.000 Thank you.

00:19:16.000 So, Paul, many people know your story from afar.

00:19:19.000 Tell it to us in your own words.

00:19:22.000 Well, it's exactly as you just said.

00:19:25.000 I mean, in 19, I mean, in 2016, I was targeted by the deep state.

00:19:30.000 Not really, I don't believe, to get me, although they did mind that, but really to get Donald Trump.

00:19:36.000 They thought that by coming after me as his campaign chairman, that in order to get out of harm's way, I would agree to their narrative, in particular Andrew Weissman's narrative, who worked for Bob Mueller, that Donald Trump and the campaign was colluding with Vladimir Putin in Russia.

00:19:53.000 I wouldn't do it.

00:19:54.000 And they brought all the powers of the state in the deep state down on me.

00:20:01.000 Yeah, and I mean, they target you out as trying to be almost this symbol, if you will, of someone to Donald Trump.

00:20:10.000 So in here, in kind of the summary of your book, Political Prisoner, Persecuted, Prosecuted, Not Silenced, it talks here that they tried their best to have you turn on President Trump and you refused.

00:20:22.000 Can you talk about that?

00:20:23.000 Yeah, to do so, I would have had to lie, and there's no way I was going to do that.

00:20:27.000 But Andrew Weissman had this crazy theory that he had totally made up.

00:20:32.000 He had taken disparate facts that were true facts and then created a timeline of knowledge that would try and put Trump ahead of the hacking of the DNC server and then authorizing through me to Roger Stone, to Carter Page, the release by WikiLeaks of the dumps from the DNC hacks that occurred in July and in October.

00:20:54.000 The only problem with that is none of it was true.

00:20:57.000 Number one, Trump didn't have advanced knowledge like Weissman claimed he did.

00:21:01.000 Number two, I wasn't talking to Roger Stone about any of this.

00:21:06.000 And number three, we had no connection to WikiLeaks or the DNC hack.

00:21:10.000 So, but that didn't matter because as I've heard you're talking about with Operation Mockingbird, they were creating the narrator.

00:21:18.000 They put a gag order on me so I couldn't speak in the media.

00:21:22.000 And then they put me in solitary confinement just to double down on my not being able to speak in the media.

00:21:28.000 And they leaked out this false information that smeared me and created this picture of me that I was convicted in the court of public opinion way before I ever had a trial.

00:21:38.000 And there was no way I was going to ever have a fair trial.

00:21:41.000 And in fact, I was being tried on things that I had resolved with the federal government already prior to Russian collusion.

00:21:48.000 So it was all a big game meant to bring down a president that the deep state feared.

00:21:56.000 I want to re-emphasize something that when you are facing potentially decades in prison and they put you in solitary confinement, which I'm going to ask you about in a second here, it is very tempting to want to all of a sudden go and turn and even make stuff up to try to save yourself.

00:22:16.000 But Paul Manafort decided not to do that and to take the high road.

00:22:21.000 So, Paul, talk about solitary confinement.

00:22:23.000 This is something that didn't get nearly as enough coverage as it should.

00:22:28.000 They put you as a political prisoner in solitary confinement.

00:22:32.000 Is that true?

00:22:34.000 And first of all, it all related to when they indicted me, they gave me a $10 million bail.

00:22:40.000 $10 million was more than John Gotti was had to pay to get out of jail when he was arrested.

00:22:45.000 But they did that because they knew I couldn't make a $10 million bail.

00:22:48.000 And it took me about five months to package together through friends and family and my own economics.

00:22:57.000 And I had three failed bail packages.

00:23:00.000 And all the while that I had these, trying to do these bail packages, I had a gag order so I couldn't speak in the public, which is the whole goal of what was going on.

00:23:09.000 When I finally got a bail package that would have to be accepted by the judge, who Judge Amy Bourbon Jackson could have been at the prosecutor's table.

00:23:17.000 She was so much a part of their case.

00:23:21.000 Then Weissman concocted a witness tampering allegation where there wasn't even a witness list yet.

00:23:29.000 But they said I should have known about somebody who I never talked to, but they said just that I reached out to was in witness tampering and intimidation and got the judge to put me into solitary confinement for sort of doubling down on my inability to one speak out on my behalf, two, to even deal with my lawyers because the solitary confinement they put me in was at a prison that was three about three hours away from Washington, D.C., where my case was being heard.

00:23:54.000 So now all of a sudden I was way outside of the ability to communicate with my lawyers.

00:23:59.000 I couldn't speak in the media and I couldn't speak to anybody who wasn't my lawyer who couldn't get to me.

00:24:06.000 What they put me in was about a 9 by 12 cell, no windows, a slot in the door to put food through that latched on so there was no light other than the light from the room.

00:24:19.000 24-7 in the room, couldn't get outside at all, had to do all my exercises and whatever in the room, and limited ability to reach out to my lawyers and anybody else that I could talk to, including family, which I was restricted from seeing.

00:24:36.000 And the goal there was all psychological.

00:24:38.000 What I did is I relied on my faith.

00:24:40.000 I relied on the fact that I knew I had done nothing wrong.

00:24:44.000 And I built a plan.

00:24:45.000 I talk about it in the book of how to get through every day, knowing that this would have to end someday, although I at that time had no idea how long.

00:24:54.000 And in the end, I spent almost 11 months in solitary confinement.

00:24:57.000 11 months in solitary confinement.

00:25:00.000 And so they did everything they possibly could to try to destroy you and to break your will.

00:25:06.000 And by the way, they get away with everything.

00:25:09.000 I mean, so just reinforce this for our audience, Paul.

00:25:12.000 They come after you for all this whatever nonsense, and Hillary Clinton walks completely free.

00:25:18.000 Can you just talk philosophically about how dangerous it is to have political prisoners?

00:25:23.000 If you're willing to use the force of the state against people you disagree with, where does this lead us?

00:25:28.000 Well, the two-tiered system really was very obvious when you looked at what they came after me on and what Hunter Biden's going after right now.

00:25:36.000 I spent most of my time 10 years prior to joining the Trump campaign doing campaigns around the world.

00:25:42.000 And you don't have to report political campaigns to the U.S. government, the Justice Department.

00:25:47.000 You only have to report if you're lobbying in Washington.

00:25:50.000 I wasn't.

00:25:51.000 I had actually had lobbyists on my payroll that were being paid to lobby for Ukraine.

00:25:56.000 But when the Deep State came after me, the ferry unit at justice reached out to me before there was any special prosecutor and said, we've read this in the paper.

00:26:06.000 Can you please come in and talk about it?

00:26:08.000 I had no problem doing that because I knew I hadn't done anything wrong.

00:26:11.000 I met with them over the course of three or four months.

00:26:13.000 They agreed with me that at best, my requirement to lobby, to file, was very, very limited in time.

00:26:21.000 And they asked me to just, you know, for purposes of getting the case behind us, agree that I would register for about a two-year period in 2014, not before there was any Trump campaign, which I did.

00:26:35.000 And it was resolved.

00:26:36.000 There was no criminal penalties, no civil penalties, no slap on the wrist, nothing.

00:26:41.000 I just filed and it was done.

00:26:43.000 When the special counsel was appointed, Mueller put Weissman in charge.

00:26:50.000 And Weissman went to the DOJ and said to the head of the unit, what's the story with the man of Fort Ferry issue?

00:26:56.000 She said, there is no story.

00:26:57.000 He's resolved it.

00:26:58.000 It's behind us.

00:27:00.000 And he said, no, it's not resolved.

00:27:01.000 I'm taking it over and I'm throwing out the agreement you reached.

00:27:04.000 And then he brought criminal charges going back 20 years.

00:27:08.000 How can they do that, though, Paul?

00:27:09.000 I have to interrupt.

00:27:10.000 So you have a special counsel who is he technically a DOJ employee, but I mean, that then goes and overdoes a deal that you struck with DOJ.

00:27:17.000 How's that possible?

00:27:19.000 Well, Rod Rosenstein is how that's possible.

00:27:21.000 Oh, Rod Rosenstein.

00:27:23.000 That's a Trump appointee, though, isn't it?

00:27:25.000 Yes, I know it is.

00:27:26.000 I know it is.

00:27:28.000 Let me make understand.

00:27:29.000 So a Trump appointee, Ron Rosenstein, and because I guess it's because Jeff Sessions couldn't do anything because he recused himself, right?

00:27:37.000 So it just gave Rosenstein even more power than because you had a private agreement.

00:27:42.000 You were operating under the conditions that what you were doing was acceptable by federal government regulations, right?

00:27:49.000 Correct.

00:27:50.000 And Rosenstein, who comes out of the Mueller click, I mean, he and Weissman and a lot of the people in the special counsel office all worked together over the course of the previous years.

00:28:00.000 And the whole game was getting obsessed to recuse himself on a ridiculous concept of the fact that he was the chairman of the campaign.

00:28:09.000 He couldn't look at this whole Russian issue and be fair about it. 0.96

00:28:14.000 Of course, he could have been fair about it.

00:28:15.000 And of course, he also knew there was no Russian collusion.

00:28:18.000 So why he ever would have to recuse himself?

00:28:20.000 There was no reason for it.

00:28:21.000 But that put Rosenstein slash Mueller in charge of the DOJ on this issue.

00:28:26.000 And they were able to keep it alive for five years and four years.

00:28:31.000 And so when they went after me on this, they didn't have to justify it to anybody.

00:28:36.000 Now, mind you, the special counsels, this is not an independent counsel.

00:28:41.000 Mueller was not an independent counsel.

00:28:43.000 That law had expired.

00:28:44.000 That's exactly right.

00:28:46.000 And the Congress, both Democrats and Republicans, refused to renew that law because they said there were too much unfettered power in the hands of a. 0.86

00:28:57.000 Yeah, but you're right.

00:28:59.000 I do want to remind our audience, though, that it was Paul Ryan and Republicans that did authorize Mueller.

00:29:05.000 And so it was also, you know, Congress gave some power to Mueller, too.

00:29:10.000 And that never should have happened.

00:29:12.000 Yeah, it never should have happened.

00:29:14.000 But his authority was only that of a U.S. attorney, which is way more limited than an independent counsel.

00:29:18.000 Yes.

00:29:19.000 Yet he still went 25 years back, way beyond the mandate of Russian collusion and the Trump campaign to try and get me.

00:29:26.000 And Rosenstein let him get away with it.

00:29:28.000 Yeah, it's just Congress should have then stepped in and reined in Mueller.

00:29:32.000 And that's the only process that could have happened there.

00:29:36.000 That's very important is because a roaming special prosecutor gives you, may he rest in peace, Ken Starr-style power, where Mueller should have just been a typical U.S. attorney.

00:29:46.000 And that's how he was able to go after.

00:29:48.000 And Paul Manafort was nothing more than points on the board to try to gain momentum.

00:29:52.000 That's all it was.

00:29:53.000 It wasn't about justice.

00:29:54.000 This was about politics.

00:29:55.000 Paul, can you tell people how people can find your book and a little bit more about the book itself?

00:30:02.000 Thank you, Charlotte.

00:30:02.000 It's called Political Prisoner, Persecuted, Prosecuted, But Not Silenced.

00:30:06.000 It's at bookstores now.

00:30:08.000 You can get it at amazon.com, barnsandnoble.com, simonandschuster.com.

00:30:12.000 I wrote the book for two reasons.

00:30:14.000 One, I wanted to get the truth out about my story, which was totally lost in the mockingbird strategy that you've discussed in the past.

00:30:21.000 Thank you.

00:30:22.000 That was employed on me.

00:30:24.000 But also because I wanted to warn the American people that they're next.

00:30:28.000 And that while my story is not a good story, if you believe in our Constitution, it's not a unique situation in that the deep left, the deep state and the woke left has targeted everyday Americans.

00:30:40.000 I finished this book last December of last year.

00:30:44.000 So I got the first year of the Biden administration into the book.

00:30:47.000 And I talked about the people who had weaponized the DOJ and FBI and CIA, the Obama administration now being a part of the Biden administration.

00:30:56.000 And I warned that the American people were going to be targeted.

00:30:59.000 And since that book has come out, we've had the 87,000 IRS agents and warned the American people.

00:31:04.000 And this is really the purpose of my book, was to show how our government, the deep state, was taking over our constitutional rights.

00:31:10.000 And we had to rise up and stop them.

00:31:14.000 And I talk about it in the book back then, the creation of this disinformation bureau at Homeland Securities, which Biden was looking to set up to make everyday Americans terrorists just because they disagreed with Biden administration policy.

00:31:28.000 While that was just so outrageous and they had to take that down, what they're doing today is the same.

00:31:34.000 His speech two weeks ago in Philadelphia, where he declared MAGA supporters of Trump as terrorists and people that are a danger to our society, that's a setup for what they were trying to do with Homeland Security.

00:31:50.000 And in the book, that was the kind of stuff I was warning against.

00:31:53.000 And it's going to get worse unless we stop it.

00:31:55.000 And the first time you have to stop it is this November, when we have to take control of the Congress.

00:32:01.000 We have to then expose the corruption and we have to take back our government.

00:32:04.000 Amen.

00:32:05.000 Everybody watching right now, Paul Manafort is an example of what they're going to try to make out of you with 87,000 new IRS agents.

00:32:13.000 They focus on financials.

00:32:15.000 They focus on things that you might have previously been told by the government is acceptable, but they don't care.

00:32:21.000 So this is an instructive story of what comes next if we do not take back our government.

00:32:28.000 Paul, I want to talk about something else here as we close our conversation, which is how, even if the facts are on your side, if you have a trial in Northern Virginia or in D.C., I think you were in Northern Virginia, if I'm not mistaken, is that it's not a fair trial.

00:32:42.000 It's an insult to our judicial system, to the process.

00:32:46.000 For example, if it would have been, hey, Paul Manafort, you get a trial in Kansas or you get a trial in a 50-50 state, right, like Florida.

00:32:54.000 I think you might have beat the charges.

00:32:55.000 Your thoughts, Paul?

00:32:56.000 Well, Charlie, I beat 10 of the 18 charges they brought against me, and the eight took the jury four days of deliberations on.

00:33:05.000 And I would have beaten them too in a fair case.

00:33:08.000 I had actually petitioned to move Benu to Roanoke, not in Kansas.

00:33:12.000 I mean, just to get outside of the D.C. metropolitan area.

00:33:14.000 Yes.

00:33:15.000 And the judge, of course, said no.

00:33:17.000 And then the one concession I got by Judge Jackson was she allowed us to expand the number of jurors that were vaudered to pick a jury to 200.

00:33:28.000 And she allowed us to do a questionnaire.

00:33:29.000 Normally you'd have about 40 jurors.

00:33:31.000 You'd vaudeer to get 12 jurors and four alternates.

00:33:34.000 We had 200.

00:33:36.000 We had some input in the questionnaire, which having been involved in politics, I organized in a way I would put a poll together and she signed off on it, not knowing what she was doing.

00:33:45.000 And we were able to really get to understand all 200 of the jurors, even though we didn't know their names.

00:33:50.000 We got enough information to be able to draw empirical data on them.

00:33:54.000 Of the 200, 192, 100% hated Trump and hated Paul Manafort.

00:34:02.000 192 out of 200.

00:34:04.000 Out of 200.

00:34:05.000 That is so important to tell.

00:34:07.000 Yeah, that's incredible.

00:34:08.000 And 20 more, a little less, 18 more, you know, basically said they didn't know enough about Paul Manafort to make a judgment.

00:34:16.000 Now, then, but they got all their news daily, according to them from this questionnaire, from the New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, and the Washington Post.

00:34:27.000 So, of course, they knew who I was, but they lied.

00:34:30.000 There was one juror that legitimately could have been a fair juror for me.

00:34:34.000 And that was what I got to pick from.

00:34:36.000 Why?

00:34:38.000 So this is important.

00:34:39.000 In the United States Constitution, it says you have a natural right to a jury of your peers.

00:34:44.000 That is not a jury of your peers, Mr. Manafort.

00:34:47.000 That's a jury of your enemies.

00:34:49.000 That was a jury of my enemies.

00:34:51.000 And they wouldn't even let me go a couple hours down the road to Roanoke, where that demographic would have been different, you know, and would have at least been closer to a fair trial.

00:35:03.000 That's so extraordinary.

00:35:05.000 This is an important thing, everybody, that I don't know how we go about fixing this.

00:35:08.000 It could maybe be a congressional law one day, but it should be venue shopping for the left.

00:35:13.000 It's how Sussman got off and it's how they were able to throw the book at you.

00:35:18.000 It's that that is an insult to our justice system when you're dealing from a population that, according to your survey, 192 out of 200, something like that, 192 out of 200, absolutely hated you and hated Trump.

00:35:29.000 And then the other people were probably even lying.

00:35:31.000 It's a very important thing.

00:35:33.000 We're out of time.

00:35:33.000 Please check out Paul Manafort's book, Political Prisoner, Persecuted, Prosecuted, but Not Silenced.

00:35:38.000 Paul, thank you so much.

00:35:42.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:43.000 Email me your thoughts as always.

00:35:44.000 Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.

00:35:46.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:35:47.000 God bless.

00:35:52.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk dot com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 20, 2022

The Political Persecution of MAGA with Paul Manafort and Kevin Kiley

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