00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, Paul Manafort, political prisoner, joins us and Kevin Kiley, who looks like he's going to be a new congressman from California.
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00:01:24.000He could raise money and he knows kind of how to play the game.
00:01:28.000Joe Biden had an interview with 60 Minutes where he said, I haven't made my mind up of whether or not I'm going to run in 2024.
00:01:37.000I believe they're going to indict Hunter Biden after the midterms to try to make it seem as if the FBI is, let's just say, non-political on some sort of paperwork stuff, but there's some deeper stuff that obviously ties him to the big man.
00:01:48.000And then there's going to be a meeting with Joe Biden where they blackmail Joe Biden into not running in 2024 because he's incredibly beatable.
00:01:55.000He'll serve out his entire first term.
00:01:57.000The question, of course, will be, where does Cammie fall into all of this?
00:03:28.000Yeah, I mean, inflation, number one, as well as the other problems plaguing our economy like that right now, like the fact that we still can't get people to work to staff small businesses.
00:03:38.000Certainly, immigration is very high on the list.
00:03:41.000And then public safety as well, you know, and homelessness.
00:03:44.000We're seeing rising crime rates, the deterioration of our communities all around us.
00:03:48.000And this is what Gavin Newsom now wants to export to the rest of America.
00:04:32.000Well, yeah, he's just trying to get his name in the headlines, build his profile, hoe of recamp.
00:04:36.000That's what he's been doing from the beginning of his governorship, by the way.
00:04:39.000He does all these sort of desperate gambits and poys from the moment that he took office.
00:04:44.000As soon as COVID-19 started, he viewed this as a huge PR opportunity.
00:04:48.000And our entire COVID policy was crafted around the objective of getting him in the headlines and building his national profile as much as possible.
00:04:56.000And that's why he insisted on having one man rule.
00:04:59.000You could get in the headlines faster if you could just rule things by fiat.
00:05:02.000And so this has been something we've had to deal with for quite some time.
00:05:05.000It frustrates even Democrats in our legislature that he doesn't even bother to deal with them in a lot of cases.
00:05:11.000He just wants to go straight to the news cameras.
00:05:13.000And it's, you know, but no secret either that the end game has all along been an eventual presidential run, which it seems he's nearing closer to every day.
00:05:23.000So talk about, if elected to Congress, kind of what your focus will be.
00:05:26.000Something that I'm pushing every Republican running for Congress is to make sure there's some sort of oversight of these 87,000 IRS agents.
00:05:41.000I mean, and certainly to rein them in from ruining, you know, from harassing people, millions and millions of Americans.
00:05:48.000And, you know, that's just a starting point.
00:05:49.000I mean, if we get the majority in the House, then it's a whole new ballgame because we then have the power to call oversight hearings, to call agency officials to come and testify, to provide proper oversight of what all of these agencies are doing.
00:06:03.000And so it will, in a major way, put the brakes on this train wreck of an administration that we're dealing with.
00:06:09.000And so I think that needs to be the first priority is, you know, just reining in the Biden administration in every way possible.
00:06:15.000And we then need to offer our own constructive vision for how we can get the economy turned around, how we can get the country turned around, how we can, you know, rein in inflation, how we can, you know, reverse the disastrous open border policies that Biden has introduced and so forth.
00:06:30.000And that'll set us up well, I think, for 2024.
00:06:32.000So, you know, I want to talk a little bit more about California here, which is, you know, something that frustrates a lot of people, where California has kind of fallen.
00:06:43.000Do you think we could flip some other seats here in California, get some Democrats out of the way?
00:06:48.000What are some other races in California that you're looking at on the House congressional side?
00:06:52.000I mean, we have a handful of races where I think we've got a great shot at beating incumbents.
00:06:56.000Scott Baugh is running a very strong campaign against KP Porter in Orange County.
00:07:01.000You have an open seat kind of a little south of Sacramento that was kind of viewed as a fairly safe Democrat seat, but actually the Republican vote was stronger in the primary.
00:07:14.000Even Congresswoman Brownlee has a very strong opponent in Matt Jacobs.
00:07:19.000And there's a few other seats that I think we got a shot at.
00:07:22.000And so I think that this is an opportunity to pick up maybe a few seats in California, and that'll be a big part of regaining the majority nationally.
00:07:30.000Yeah, so there's some flippable seats here.
00:07:31.000It looks like the third district, the 22nd, the 45th, the 9th, the 27th, the 47th, the 13th, the 41st, and the 49th.
00:07:38.000You know, some people say, oh, you know, California, what does it matter?
00:07:41.000For example, they live in Arizona, they live in Colorado, or they live in Idaho.
00:07:44.000No, if we want to take back the House, we have to do well in California, don't we?
00:07:48.000I mean, our seats, you know, this is a blue state, but we have more congressional seats up for grabs than really anywhere in the country.
00:07:55.000And so that's why, you know, races like mine, where mine is one of those seats that we really have to win in order to get the majority back, is going to have huge implications for the entire country.
00:08:05.000And not only that, I think it's important to have good, strong conservatives from California in Congress in order to tell the truth about what's actually been going on in California.
00:08:13.000As Newsom tries, you know, his whole shtick is California is some model for the nation, and we need to nationalize all of these terrible California policies.
00:08:20.000And so I want to be a voice in Congress saying, no, California is not a model for the nation.
00:08:47.000That's one of the things that I'm focusing on.
00:08:48.000We have hundreds and hundreds of parent leaders who are now stepping up to run for school boards in California.
00:08:54.000And that will be a, you know, I think a major counterweight to the disastrous policies that we have coming out of Sacramento.
00:09:01.000And so I think that actually we have a chance to really start to get a lot of things moving in the right direction here in California in this election and for the entire country as well.
00:09:09.000So I'm excited about what the next few weeks have in store.
00:09:23.000And you're going to be part of a very exciting new freshman group of Congress to get rid of these 87,000 new IRS agents, to hold the IRS accountable, to find out what's going on at the FBI, find out what's going on in DOJ, and impeach Mayorkas, all that good stuff.
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00:11:00.000Church and Pike, we're a U.S. Senate and House equivalent.
00:11:03.000Jim Jordan, Josh Hawley, I think that'd be a great kind of one-two punch or a Hawley Paul committee.
00:11:10.000This is why we have to take back the House and the Senate, everybody.
00:11:13.000I know some of you say, Charlie, I am not a fan of Dr. Ross.
00:11:19.000Okay, well, we had him on our program.
00:11:21.000I thought that it was very helpful and instructive.
00:11:23.000But can I convince you to maybe get us a Republican majority so that we can have a special committee to go look into the funding of Operation Mockingbird 2.0?
00:11:35.000What do you think we will learn if we're able to get a Republican majority?
00:11:40.000If we get a Republican majority, we will, the grassroots, this program, War Room, Tucker, the number one priority will be oversight investigation, oversight investigation, oversight investigation.
00:11:53.000Operation Mockingbird was a large-scale program of the Central Intelligence Agency that attempted to manipulate domestic American news media organizations for propagandist purposes.
00:12:08.000We only learned about this thanks to the Church and Pike Committee.
00:12:13.000Cut 25 is a great example of Operation Mockingbird still in place today.
00:12:22.000Amazon has transformed its operations in response to COVID-19 to protect employees and keep packages flowing, protect employees, and keep packages.
00:13:43.000We learn that with the Soros-backed Operation Campaign through good information.
00:13:48.000We learn it through maybe the federal government coming in and inputting this.
00:13:52.000It's the narrative industrial complex.
00:13:56.000The narrative industrial complex is able to get into a news cycle and completely change it.
00:14:02.000In fact, Nancy Pelosi is explaining kind of saying the private part out loud in Cut 26 on how smear narratives established.
00:14:12.000This is exactly what happened with Russia Gate, Play Cut 26.
00:14:15.000You smear somebody with falsehoods and all the rest, and then you merchandise it.
00:14:22.000And then you write it, and thus they see this reported in the press, so they have that validation that the press reported the smear, and then it's called the ramp-up smear.
00:14:32.000Now I'm going to merchandise the press's report on the smear that we made.
00:14:43.000Cut 24 is explaining where this comes from during the Church and Pike Committee.
00:14:50.000And this is exactly what they did to Paul Manafort, Play Cut 24.
00:14:56.000During a Senate committee investigation, it was revealed that the CIA had been conducting a covert operation to infiltrate and control U.S. media.
00:15:08.000Over 3,000 CIA contracted and trained operatives are placed in key positions within top media outlets.
00:15:16.000Posing as editors and journalists, these well-paid actors never dared to question the effect of their lies on the world beyond their cozy studio.
00:15:24.000How often does the CIA manipulate the media in this way?
00:15:28.000It goes beyond your wildest imagination.
00:15:33.000So back in the 1970s, the Central Intelligence Agency, that's 1975, had 3,000 paid operatives in American media.
00:15:44.000How many do you think they have today?
00:15:46.000Who on the mainstream media networks do you think is currently on CIA payroll?
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00:18:16.000It's not an easy read, but it centers around a political prisoner.
00:18:23.000It centers around this idea of the Soviet Union.
00:18:25.000Actually, it doesn't name the Soviet Union in the book, but it's very clear it is the Soviet Union.
00:18:28.000About how the state, the Leviathan, needs to eliminate opposition political voices or people that even deem to see opposition political voices.
00:19:25.000I mean, in 19, I mean, in 2016, I was targeted by the deep state.
00:19:30.000Not really, I don't believe, to get me, although they did mind that, but really to get Donald Trump.
00:19:36.000They thought that by coming after me as his campaign chairman, that in order to get out of harm's way, I would agree to their narrative, in particular Andrew Weissman's narrative, who worked for Bob Mueller, that Donald Trump and the campaign was colluding with Vladimir Putin in Russia.
00:19:54.000And they brought all the powers of the state in the deep state down on me.
00:20:01.000Yeah, and I mean, they target you out as trying to be almost this symbol, if you will, of someone to Donald Trump.
00:20:10.000So in here, in kind of the summary of your book, Political Prisoner, Persecuted, Prosecuted, Not Silenced, it talks here that they tried their best to have you turn on President Trump and you refused.
00:20:23.000Yeah, to do so, I would have had to lie, and there's no way I was going to do that.
00:20:27.000But Andrew Weissman had this crazy theory that he had totally made up.
00:20:32.000He had taken disparate facts that were true facts and then created a timeline of knowledge that would try and put Trump ahead of the hacking of the DNC server and then authorizing through me to Roger Stone, to Carter Page, the release by WikiLeaks of the dumps from the DNC hacks that occurred in July and in October.
00:20:54.000The only problem with that is none of it was true.
00:20:57.000Number one, Trump didn't have advanced knowledge like Weissman claimed he did.
00:21:01.000Number two, I wasn't talking to Roger Stone about any of this.
00:21:06.000And number three, we had no connection to WikiLeaks or the DNC hack.
00:21:10.000So, but that didn't matter because as I've heard you're talking about with Operation Mockingbird, they were creating the narrator.
00:21:18.000They put a gag order on me so I couldn't speak in the media.
00:21:22.000And then they put me in solitary confinement just to double down on my not being able to speak in the media.
00:21:28.000And they leaked out this false information that smeared me and created this picture of me that I was convicted in the court of public opinion way before I ever had a trial.
00:21:38.000And there was no way I was going to ever have a fair trial.
00:21:41.000And in fact, I was being tried on things that I had resolved with the federal government already prior to Russian collusion.
00:21:48.000So it was all a big game meant to bring down a president that the deep state feared.
00:21:56.000I want to re-emphasize something that when you are facing potentially decades in prison and they put you in solitary confinement, which I'm going to ask you about in a second here, it is very tempting to want to all of a sudden go and turn and even make stuff up to try to save yourself.
00:22:16.000But Paul Manafort decided not to do that and to take the high road.
00:22:21.000So, Paul, talk about solitary confinement.
00:22:23.000This is something that didn't get nearly as enough coverage as it should.
00:22:28.000They put you as a political prisoner in solitary confinement.
00:23:00.000And all the while that I had these, trying to do these bail packages, I had a gag order so I couldn't speak in the public, which is the whole goal of what was going on.
00:23:09.000When I finally got a bail package that would have to be accepted by the judge, who Judge Amy Bourbon Jackson could have been at the prosecutor's table.
00:23:21.000Then Weissman concocted a witness tampering allegation where there wasn't even a witness list yet.
00:23:29.000But they said I should have known about somebody who I never talked to, but they said just that I reached out to was in witness tampering and intimidation and got the judge to put me into solitary confinement for sort of doubling down on my inability to one speak out on my behalf, two, to even deal with my lawyers because the solitary confinement they put me in was at a prison that was three about three hours away from Washington, D.C., where my case was being heard.
00:23:54.000So now all of a sudden I was way outside of the ability to communicate with my lawyers.
00:23:59.000I couldn't speak in the media and I couldn't speak to anybody who wasn't my lawyer who couldn't get to me.
00:24:06.000What they put me in was about a 9 by 12 cell, no windows, a slot in the door to put food through that latched on so there was no light other than the light from the room.
00:24:19.00024-7 in the room, couldn't get outside at all, had to do all my exercises and whatever in the room, and limited ability to reach out to my lawyers and anybody else that I could talk to, including family, which I was restricted from seeing.
00:24:36.000And the goal there was all psychological.
00:24:45.000I talk about it in the book of how to get through every day, knowing that this would have to end someday, although I at that time had no idea how long.
00:24:54.000And in the end, I spent almost 11 months in solitary confinement.
00:25:00.000And so they did everything they possibly could to try to destroy you and to break your will.
00:25:06.000And by the way, they get away with everything.
00:25:09.000I mean, so just reinforce this for our audience, Paul.
00:25:12.000They come after you for all this whatever nonsense, and Hillary Clinton walks completely free.
00:25:18.000Can you just talk philosophically about how dangerous it is to have political prisoners?
00:25:23.000If you're willing to use the force of the state against people you disagree with, where does this lead us?
00:25:28.000Well, the two-tiered system really was very obvious when you looked at what they came after me on and what Hunter Biden's going after right now.
00:25:36.000I spent most of my time 10 years prior to joining the Trump campaign doing campaigns around the world.
00:25:42.000And you don't have to report political campaigns to the U.S. government, the Justice Department.
00:25:47.000You only have to report if you're lobbying in Washington.
00:25:51.000I had actually had lobbyists on my payroll that were being paid to lobby for Ukraine.
00:25:56.000But when the Deep State came after me, the ferry unit at justice reached out to me before there was any special prosecutor and said, we've read this in the paper.
00:26:06.000Can you please come in and talk about it?
00:26:08.000I had no problem doing that because I knew I hadn't done anything wrong.
00:26:11.000I met with them over the course of three or four months.
00:26:13.000They agreed with me that at best, my requirement to lobby, to file, was very, very limited in time.
00:26:21.000And they asked me to just, you know, for purposes of getting the case behind us, agree that I would register for about a two-year period in 2014, not before there was any Trump campaign, which I did.
00:27:10.000So you have a special counsel who is he technically a DOJ employee, but I mean, that then goes and overdoes a deal that you struck with DOJ.
00:27:29.000So a Trump appointee, Ron Rosenstein, and because I guess it's because Jeff Sessions couldn't do anything because he recused himself, right?
00:27:37.000So it just gave Rosenstein even more power than because you had a private agreement.
00:27:42.000You were operating under the conditions that what you were doing was acceptable by federal government regulations, right?
00:27:50.000And Rosenstein, who comes out of the Mueller click, I mean, he and Weissman and a lot of the people in the special counsel office all worked together over the course of the previous years.
00:28:00.000And the whole game was getting obsessed to recuse himself on a ridiculous concept of the fact that he was the chairman of the campaign.
00:28:09.000He couldn't look at this whole Russian issue and be fair about it.
00:28:14.000Of course, he could have been fair about it.
00:28:15.000And of course, he also knew there was no Russian collusion.
00:28:18.000So why he ever would have to recuse himself?
00:28:46.000And the Congress, both Democrats and Republicans, refused to renew that law because they said there were too much unfettered power in the hands of a.
00:29:19.000Yet he still went 25 years back, way beyond the mandate of Russian collusion and the Trump campaign to try and get me.
00:29:26.000And Rosenstein let him get away with it.
00:29:28.000Yeah, it's just Congress should have then stepped in and reined in Mueller.
00:29:32.000And that's the only process that could have happened there.
00:29:36.000That's very important is because a roaming special prosecutor gives you, may he rest in peace, Ken Starr-style power, where Mueller should have just been a typical U.S. attorney.
00:29:46.000And that's how he was able to go after.
00:29:48.000And Paul Manafort was nothing more than points on the board to try to gain momentum.
00:30:24.000But also because I wanted to warn the American people that they're next.
00:30:28.000And that while my story is not a good story, if you believe in our Constitution, it's not a unique situation in that the deep left, the deep state and the woke left has targeted everyday Americans.
00:30:40.000I finished this book last December of last year.
00:30:44.000So I got the first year of the Biden administration into the book.
00:30:47.000And I talked about the people who had weaponized the DOJ and FBI and CIA, the Obama administration now being a part of the Biden administration.
00:30:56.000And I warned that the American people were going to be targeted.
00:30:59.000And since that book has come out, we've had the 87,000 IRS agents and warned the American people.
00:31:04.000And this is really the purpose of my book, was to show how our government, the deep state, was taking over our constitutional rights.
00:31:14.000And I talk about it in the book back then, the creation of this disinformation bureau at Homeland Securities, which Biden was looking to set up to make everyday Americans terrorists just because they disagreed with Biden administration policy.
00:31:28.000While that was just so outrageous and they had to take that down, what they're doing today is the same.
00:31:34.000His speech two weeks ago in Philadelphia, where he declared MAGA supporters of Trump as terrorists and people that are a danger to our society, that's a setup for what they were trying to do with Homeland Security.
00:31:50.000And in the book, that was the kind of stuff I was warning against.
00:31:53.000And it's going to get worse unless we stop it.
00:31:55.000And the first time you have to stop it is this November, when we have to take control of the Congress.
00:32:01.000We have to then expose the corruption and we have to take back our government.
00:32:15.000They focus on things that you might have previously been told by the government is acceptable, but they don't care.
00:32:21.000So this is an instructive story of what comes next if we do not take back our government.
00:32:28.000Paul, I want to talk about something else here as we close our conversation, which is how, even if the facts are on your side, if you have a trial in Northern Virginia or in D.C., I think you were in Northern Virginia, if I'm not mistaken, is that it's not a fair trial.
00:32:42.000It's an insult to our judicial system, to the process.
00:32:46.000For example, if it would have been, hey, Paul Manafort, you get a trial in Kansas or you get a trial in a 50-50 state, right, like Florida.
00:32:54.000I think you might have beat the charges.
00:33:17.000And then the one concession I got by Judge Jackson was she allowed us to expand the number of jurors that were vaudered to pick a jury to 200.
00:33:28.000And she allowed us to do a questionnaire.
00:33:36.000We had some input in the questionnaire, which having been involved in politics, I organized in a way I would put a poll together and she signed off on it, not knowing what she was doing.
00:33:45.000And we were able to really get to understand all 200 of the jurors, even though we didn't know their names.
00:33:50.000We got enough information to be able to draw empirical data on them.
00:33:54.000Of the 200, 192, 100% hated Trump and hated Paul Manafort.
00:34:08.000And 20 more, a little less, 18 more, you know, basically said they didn't know enough about Paul Manafort to make a judgment.
00:34:16.000Now, then, but they got all their news daily, according to them from this questionnaire, from the New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, and the Washington Post.
00:34:27.000So, of course, they knew who I was, but they lied.
00:34:30.000There was one juror that legitimately could have been a fair juror for me.
00:34:51.000And they wouldn't even let me go a couple hours down the road to Roanoke, where that demographic would have been different, you know, and would have at least been closer to a fair trial.
00:35:05.000This is an important thing, everybody, that I don't know how we go about fixing this.
00:35:08.000It could maybe be a congressional law one day, but it should be venue shopping for the left.
00:35:13.000It's how Sussman got off and it's how they were able to throw the book at you.
00:35:18.000It's that that is an insult to our justice system when you're dealing from a population that, according to your survey, 192 out of 200, something like that, 192 out of 200, absolutely hated you and hated Trump.
00:35:29.000And then the other people were probably even lying.