The Charlie Kirk Show - The Power of Words: How Liberalism Works w- Greg Gutfeld

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00:01:16.000 Music How about Greg Gutfeld, everybody?

00:01:22.000 You know.

00:01:24.000 I expected more pyrotechnics.

00:01:26.000 You know, as you see, we're downsizing.

00:01:28.000 I want somebody to lose a finger when I come out.

00:01:33.000 We um isn't Greg the best.

00:01:36.000 I I watch him almost every night, I'll tell you.

00:01:39.000 Stop it.

00:01:41.000 Stop it.

00:01:43.000 You crazy kids.

00:01:44.000 The I wonder if has anybody here ever seen Red Eye.

00:01:49.000 Oh.

00:01:50.000 I was just wondering how old you were because that was the first show.

00:01:53.000 It was no hands went up around here.

00:01:55.000 I know they're going to what this is student sections right up there.

00:01:57.000 Yeah, they're going like, you mean the movie Red Eye?

00:02:00.000 Or yes, so Greg, I know there's a lot going on in the news.

00:02:03.000 Um, obviously, the most important thing that you want to talk about is the fact that we no longer have to take our shoes off at the airport when we fly on the show.

00:02:11.000 Yeah.

00:02:13.000 I mean, that that is the most important news of the week.

00:02:16.000 Yes.

00:02:16.000 I want to I I like the fact that I can keep my shoes on and take my pants off.

00:02:23.000 No, it's crazy.

00:02:25.000 Every day is good news.

00:02:27.000 It's like 365 days of Christmas.

00:02:30.000 And once once in a while you get something that's you're not happy about, but the whole package is amazing.

00:02:36.000 It's like the election of Trump is like you, you you know, you wanted a beautiful, you wanted your parents to buy you a car for your 16th birthday, and you got the car, but maybe it doesn't have it's not the right color.

00:02:49.000 You know, so you you may you stop whining.

00:02:51.000 This is like the best thing that's ever happened to to our political system in ages.

00:02:57.000 And and Greg, you made a really good point backstage, which is look, there's disagreements in our movement and people are fighting back and forth.

00:03:03.000 But you look at this as a positive of an attribute of a movement that has strength.

00:03:09.000 This is a this is a um party.

00:03:13.000 This is a movement that is so transparent that even their cover-ups are transparent.

00:03:20.000 They're not even trying.

00:03:22.000 It's like everything that you've seen is one collective wink.

00:03:25.000 It's like, dude, yeah, we get it.

00:03:27.000 You know, Epstein Epstein was probably a honeypot operation, but it's like a CIA thing, you know, it sucks.

00:03:34.000 But what I the way I look at it is that again, in the with the Christmas analogy, you got everything you wanted, you're not gonna get everything, but you're gonna get to see how it's made and you know what's going on.

00:03:47.000 You may not know who's you know who's stopping that, but what's what's important for you to know is right now the Democrats, this is all they have.

00:03:58.000 All they have is the conflict that's going on on the other side.

00:04:04.000 So they are like you'll notice certain alignments happening where all of a sudden CNN is now covering Epstein.

00:04:11.000 Didn't do it before.

00:04:13.000 And you see, you'll start seeing these like liberal alignments because they want to, they want the fractions, they want people to break apart.

00:04:21.000 You don't want to give them that.

00:04:22.000 So even when there's certain things that are happening that are upsetting to you, you have to step back, look at the big picture.

00:04:28.000 Don't lose sight of the changes that you're experiencing and how together, like I want to take, I have to take Umbridge with Tucker Carlson.

00:04:38.000 Go ahead.

00:04:39.000 All right, who whom I love.

00:04:41.000 Um when he said that the uh getting uh boys out of girls' sports was an appetizer.

00:04:48.000 Well, hell, I could eat appetizers all day.

00:04:52.000 I that to me is a really big deal.

00:04:58.000 And you gotta understand, I was talking about the uh issue of transgenderism and and boys and women's sports when people weren't talking about it, and I was getting a lot of crap for it.

00:05:10.000 People kept asking me, why do you keep bringing this up?

00:05:12.000 Why do you keep bringing this up?

00:05:14.000 And I say, because you compel me to.

00:05:17.000 I don't want to think about this.

00:05:19.000 This was never on my agenda.

00:05:21.000 But the moment pronouns came out, I realized wait, you're compelling me to think a certain way.

00:05:27.000 And that's a that's a line you can't cross.

00:05:30.000 You may think it's a side issue, but the bigger issue is compelling you to obey.

00:05:38.000 That was it.

00:05:38.000 So the appetizer, you gotta eat that appetizer to get to the main course.

00:05:45.000 Or you can take all the appetizers and make a main course.

00:05:49.000 That to me was probably the big issue for me, and it allows us to speak freely about one of the biggest delusions, one of the biggest hoaxes of our time, the idea that there are trans kids that you need to operate on, which 10 years from now, 20 years ago from now, there will be people that will be embarrassed to even like admit they believed it, they will act like it never happened. 0.64

00:06:14.000 Well, and not only that, there are detransitioners here at this event. 1.00

00:06:17.000 I think Chloe Cole is here somewhere, and it it is it's not an insignificant portion of the population.

00:06:24.000 And by the way, to your kind of analogy about President Trump and the good he's doing his administration, Greg, we need to make it a goal, hopefully by the end of this administration, we are going to end every gender-affirming care clinic and child butchery in this country. 1.00

00:06:38.000 We're not gonna allow it to happen.

00:06:40.000 It's a you know, it's a uh it's a good lesson that you're learning when you're young is pay attention to language.

00:06:49.000 Uh think about the phrase gender affirming care.

00:06:56.000 No, it sounds wonderful.

00:06:58.000 You're affirming a gender.

00:07:01.000 That is your, I guess that is your warning that it's something awful.

00:07:06.000 Whenever the language um camouflages its actual meaning, you cannot say uh irreversible surgery and put high-risk hormones.

00:07:18.000 You say gender affirming, affirming as the positive.

00:07:21.000 They do this with everything.

00:07:22.000 Let's remember that you know abortion is now pro-choice, because pro-choice is an affirming phrase.

00:07:28.000 So you always have to look at that and see, okay, what is underneath it?

00:07:32.000 It's part of the it's part of the I think the education of your brain, learning to question the actual words they use first and foremost.

00:07:42.000 Yeah, and I mean there's so many other examples.

00:07:44.000 I mean, that they'll use undocumented immigrants.

00:07:46.000 I mean, no they will correct people on other networks if you say illegal immigrants.

00:07:50.000 Somebody tried to do that to me on Fox once.

00:07:52.000 I can't remember who they were, Heraldo, but um uh it is like again, why so it's almost like they can't tackle the issue, so they dance on the edge of the issue.

00:08:06.000 And the words, yeah, they use virtue signaling bullying over semantics.

00:08:10.000 Yes, exactly.

00:08:10.000 If you don't use my word, therefore you're a bad person.

00:08:13.000 Yes.

00:08:14.000 And and by the way, the way that we should talk about gender-affirming care, child castration, and medieval butchery.

00:08:20.000 How's that for language changes?

00:08:23.000 You know, uh do you think we're getting better at language on the right?

00:08:27.000 Well, I think part I think the the great thing is that we're no longer uh afraid of sharing the risk.

00:08:34.000 And I you know, people like you, Charlie, uh, and even and and Trump, people have to be the you know, the tip of the spear.

00:08:41.000 A lot of people were too like you take the issue like trans.

00:08:43.000 You don't want to be bullied online by people by if you say what you feel, like if you think about the athletes that were too t too timid to say they didn't want to change in front of a guy.

00:08:54.000 They didn't want to share the risk with the you know, the Riley Gaines, the people who did take the risk.

00:09:00.000 But what you're seeing is what it it's it's a natural thing.

00:09:02.000 When you see somebody that you know taking a risk, you're more likely to share that risk with them.

00:09:10.000 So what's happening is now, because we are sharing the risk and being able to say what we want, the language changes.

00:09:17.000 And that's a new phenomenon, Greg.

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00:10:23.000 So you've been coming to our events seven, eight years, right?

00:10:26.000 Yeah.

00:10:26.000 And in my back when I was in my early 20s.

00:10:29.000 Sure.

00:10:30.000 Yeah.

00:10:30.000 When I was in my early 20s, not you.

00:10:33.000 Uh but Greg, something has changed profoundly.

00:10:37.000 When you f first started coming to these events, first of all, the crowds were much smaller.

00:10:41.000 Right.

00:10:42.000 But the energy was different because there was campus rebellion energy that still exists here.

00:10:48.000 But culturally, Greg, it's kind of as if we're winning.

00:10:52.000 Am I allowed to say that?

00:10:54.000 Um, in fact, I believe we talked about this, I think the first time I was here, and I had written about this, I don't know, 20 years ago, about the ability to flip the script.

00:11:08.000 You guys hopefully will never grow up in a time where everybody on the right was seen as evil.

00:11:14.000 I mean, you kind of do now, but when I was growing up, you in every movie, in every TV show, it was the person who believes in law and order, the conservative who was seen as evil, the person on the left was seen as hip and cool.

00:11:30.000 This is completely flipped.

00:11:32.000 A lot of it has to do with humor.

00:11:34.000 Now, who are the humorless people?

00:11:36.000 They're on it's a complete flip.

00:11:38.000 The the least funny people on the planet on the planet are liberals.

00:11:43.000 They're literally it's hard.

00:11:46.000 It's hard to take a joke when you are the joke, and they can't they cannot see that they're the joke.

00:11:53.000 Meanwhile, the best thing you can do when you're in conflict with anyone is to have fun.

00:12:01.000 While I I watch Charlotte when you do those, uh when you talk to people, you're never angry.

00:12:06.000 You d you don't, it's not like you're judging the person, you're just having fun.

00:12:10.000 This is an example that I uh uh a comparison I use with when fans of Obama talk about Obama, they talk about him in solemn terms, in serious terms.

00:12:23.000 So true.

00:12:24.000 When people who like Trump talk about him, they're laughing.

00:12:29.000 We and I I stole this line from Michael Malice.

00:12:32.000 We don't when whenever Trump says something, I go, we don't deserve him.

00:12:38.000 No matter what he does, you can't help but smile.

00:12:42.000 And when you're defending him, it's fun.

00:12:45.000 When you're not defending him, it's even fun.

00:12:48.000 I mean it's like, for example, he just did a uh he posted on Truth Social about stripping um Rosie, what's her name again?

00:12:55.000 Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship, which is impossible.

00:13:00.000 We know it's impossible.

00:13:02.000 We know it's hilarious, but it makes news, and you see all the people on uh the the liberal blog social media pulling their hair out, you know, oh autocracy, he wants to strip Rosie O'Donnell of her citizen.

00:13:15.000 No, he doesn't.

00:13:16.000 He's just sticking his finger in your eye, and we love every minute of it.

00:13:21.000 So let's go a step further.

00:13:25.000 I I want to analyze the psychology of humor a little bit more.

00:13:29.000 Is it fair to say that that those that can't take a joke are insecure, and that the left is actually f full of a lot of people that are hyper-credentialed, over-educated in an upper middle class environment, but deeply down or very insecure.

00:13:46.000 Yeah, I mean, you what you kind of describe what they appear to be, but you're Yeah, but you want to know what's underneath it.

00:13:55.000 And you know, I think about that a lot, and I think about you know, when I was uh in high school, I was a liberal, and I think one of the things I I liked about it was that it was it w we didn't have a name for it, it was virtue signaling, but it was easy status.

00:14:13.000 If you wanted status, high status from a teacher, you uh push a a liberal perspective in your debates or in your term papers.

00:14:24.000 So if what what is important to you is status.

00:14:29.000 I need to know that everybody around me likes me.

00:14:33.000 Then I will look at what is popular and I will echo that.

00:14:40.000 That's how liberalism kind of works.

00:14:42.000 One of the things I always tell young conservatives, like what happen what do I do when I'm outnumbered when I'm there and I'm being ganged up on by three or four people, and I always say, ask them why it's so important that I bel that I agree with you.

00:14:58.000 Yeah.

00:14:58.000 Why is it why do you need me, why is it so important that I should agree with you?

00:15:03.000 And then you might say, I think if you're looking for if you're looking for reassurance that you are right, I'm the wrong person.

00:15:12.000 And it's a very simple way of cause because they have to leave, they have they should ask themselves, why is it important that you agree with me?

00:15:20.000 Because they themselves aren't sure.

00:15:22.000 They are not sure.

00:15:23.000 It goes to the insecurity.

00:15:25.000 But it has to do with a desire to be cool, i.e.

00:15:27.000 status, but they they they then mistake what is cool, which is they think it's rebellion, but it's actually uh false rebellion.

00:15:38.000 What is rebellious, what is truly rebellious is rebelling against the rebellion.

00:15:44.000 That means if the guy says, Look, dude, I am you know, I think that like uh the police suck, I'm gonna throw rocks at ice, because I'm a rebel, the true rebel tells that guy to f off.

00:15:57.000 Excuse my language.

00:16:00.000 But so what conservatism is has always been rebellion against rebellion.

00:16:08.000 And that is that is the real risk in life because you will be unpopular among the the midwits, the lower intellect, the people who think they're anybody who thinks they're smarter than you isn't, and they know that.

00:16:24.000 So that is why that is why they adhere to um easy status through virtue signaling that then they don't do anything about.

00:16:34.000 They can talk about climate change all they want, but then if you know their best friend scores first class tickets for spring break, they're on that plane.

00:16:43.000 Well, and Greg, you said something a couple years ago when we chatted, and it's so important, which is and I've tried to apply this rule.

00:16:50.000 It doesn't apply perfectly, but when you see a social movement that continues to push forward when there is high social cost, they're worth at least listening to.

00:17:01.000 So when there is a movement of people and they're getting canceled or smeared, potentially imprisoned, and they keep fighting for that thing, you should hear them out.

00:17:11.000 Yes.

00:17:11.000 And then this is the point of the kids on campus where you're surrounded by libs being like, why do you think I believe my life's not easier because of the Yes, and yet you're reminding me of something I said that I would have completely forgotten.

00:17:22.000 You're welcome.

00:17:23.000 I th I'm on the second part.

00:17:24.000 It's a it's on the previous it's actually a really great point.

00:17:27.000 I know it came from me.

00:17:29.000 Thank you.

00:17:30.000 It's like, do you ever wonder why I would risk this?

00:17:34.000 Do you ever think to yourself I'm outnumbered by you?

00:17:37.000 Do you ever ask yourself, why would this person do this?

00:17:41.000 Aren't you the least bit curious about that?

00:17:44.000 That usually really can freeze somebody.

00:17:46.000 It's complete cognitive dissonance, right?

00:17:48.000 And so I'm glad you remembered that.

00:17:50.000 See, this is the problem with getting old.

00:17:51.000 I can't remember my best stuff.

00:17:54.000 That's why I'm here.

00:17:55.000 I I remember your stuff for you.

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00:19:01.000 But let's dive deeper into that.

00:19:02.000 So think about it.

00:19:03.000 If you're ever outnumbered, instead of talking about politics or stuff, just say, listen, my view comes at a high social cost on this college campus.

00:19:12.000 Yeah.

00:19:13.000 High social cost.

00:19:14.000 I could how many kids here are graded differently because your conservative views?

00:19:18.000 Raise your hand.

00:19:18.000 Okay.

00:19:19.000 Almost every student hand goes up.

00:19:21.000 So therefore, it's there you're making a conscious decision to suffer to some degree for a transcendent value.

00:19:29.000 Yeah.

00:19:30.000 And you should tell your your lib friends or whatever, I could have comfort if I conform.

00:19:37.000 So why don't I?

00:19:38.000 Yes.

00:19:38.000 I could actually get better grades like you if I said what you said, but I'm not.

00:19:43.000 Isn't that kind of interesting to you?

00:19:45.000 Yeah, it's it it it's uh it's kind of like um, you know, I I mean I'm a I'm pro-life, and I I mean I run into the you know, most people I know in my in almost all people I know in my industry are pro-choice.

00:20:03.000 And I know when I know that I am always, always outnumbered.

00:20:09.000 And but I I I always I'm always like, don't you even wonder like why I like you seem to agree with a lot of things I say.

00:20:18.000 You think that I'm a smart person?

00:20:20.000 Do you think I'm just crazy on one thing?

00:20:23.000 Like, oh, he's really good on the economy, he's really good on foreign policy, he's a he can write well, but he's completely nuts on unborn children.

00:20:34.000 That doesn't really logically make sense.

00:20:36.000 You know, do you know what's interesting about really, really smart pro-choice person people?

00:20:41.000 They admit it's murder.

00:20:42.000 Oh, I find this on campus.

00:20:44.000 They have to.

00:20:45.000 Yeah.

00:20:45.000 They have to have to go, look, you know what?

00:20:47.000 I'm not gonna argue what it is murder, but I'm still for it.

00:20:50.000 That was a kind of a that was like the liberal comedian way of dealing with it.

00:20:54.000 I think I I I there almost every smart comedian when they talk about abortion will not deny that it's murder. 0.96

00:21:00.000 And then everyone laughs at the you know, comic club.

00:21:02.000 I guess that makes it okay.

00:21:03.000 Yeah, it's okay.

00:21:03.000 At least you're being honest.

00:21:04.000 But this is another important point that Greg is making.

00:21:07.000 That if you have earned social trust with people in your circle, defending that view that might be seemingly unpopular can convert that whole social circle to be a conservative.

00:21:20.000 Yes.

00:21:20.000 Because they'll think, wow, this is a good person.

00:21:23.000 It's not just being right, it's also character.

00:21:25.000 Yes, right.

00:21:25.000 You know, it's it's a this is a really a really good point.

00:21:29.000 And um, for example, uh, if you're in an office and you're working, um being an appealing person there, it's like a young person will come in and they're and when a young person starts at work, they're looking for somebody, not necessarily a mentor, but somebody that like they can kind of identify with, make them feel at ease.

00:21:54.000 And when you're that person, and every every single person has that.

00:21:58.000 Like when I got to when I first started working at Men's Health or uh at Prevention Magazine or different places, I identified, I uh I would boil it down to this.

00:22:09.000 When you see you'll see somebody you work with and you go, I want what that person has.

00:22:15.000 Like, what is it about them that makes them confident and and and strong and and cool?

00:22:22.000 Like it's weird.

00:22:23.000 You know, the word cool originated originated from the word calm.

00:22:28.000 A lot of people don't know it.

00:22:29.000 It's like you're always Looking for the calm person in the storm.

00:22:32.000 And when you're that per when you are that person, people want to know why.

00:22:37.000 This is why being his like being politically hysterical doesn't win when um uh followers.

00:22:44.000 It's like Charlie, if you're calm, people are interested.

00:22:47.000 So but getting back to the point about character.

00:22:50.000 If somebody see if if somebody sees that everything that you're doing is working, and then they find out that you have an opinion that they detest.

00:23:00.000 Like the perfect thing is Trump.

00:23:02.000 It's great when you when the most successful person in the group, they find out is a Trump supporter, and they go, My God, you're an idiot.

00:23:09.000 And he goes, Yeah, I'm an idiot.

00:23:11.000 Uh have you seen where I live?

00:23:14.000 Have you seen my family?

00:23:15.000 So they have to like all of a sudden start re-in, like reconfiguring the way they think.

00:23:20.000 Did you see that HBO uh the part of what that show White Lotus or something?

00:23:24.000 Yes.

00:23:24.000 There was like a three-minute clip.

00:23:25.000 I don't watch the show.

00:23:26.000 Well, they found out that the women found out that like their old friend who they they love and they adore, all of a sudden she's like very quietly, like doesn't deny don't you say she didn't didn't deny she voted for Trump?

00:23:38.000 Yes, yeah.

00:23:39.000 And it went anyway from a drama standpoint, it was so beautifully written.

00:23:42.000 Yeah, it was it was nice.

00:23:43.000 And it it's like I think that they're coming to grips with the idea that they kind of like they went too far in the world of demonizing.

00:23:51.000 I may you're making me think of something about like uh when when um like I've lost friends, uh people that you probably know, like people that I've worked with uh over uh Trump.

00:24:05.000 And whenever somebody, and I'll see it in interviews, they'll ask, what happened to Gottfeld?

00:24:10.000 And they go, Oh man, he like you know, he knew where he knew uh where his bread was buttered.

00:24:16.000 Oh, he's he's it's it was his way to climb the ladder.

00:24:19.000 It's like I I watch people try to figure out why.

00:24:23.000 Like, why do I support Trump without ever actually honestly asking why everybody does.

00:24:31.000 It's like is it it's like only the oh they it's the I think the the belief is only dumb people do, but when a smart person does it, it's because they're selling out.

00:24:39.000 And what's so funny is if they stopped coping, yes, and started understanding, which is what I did.

00:24:46.000 They would actually be in a better place.

00:24:48.000 You know, remember, I was I was um I knew Trump before he ran, I liked him.

00:24:53.000 I I did not support him when he ran in in uh I say 2015.

00:24:57.000 But a lot of it was a coping thing, it was a personal issue with me.

00:25:02.000 And I and like I suddenly realized what is going on here.

00:25:07.000 Of A, I had a sunk cost that I'd already be it when you express criticism for something over and over again and you realize you might be wrong, you don't want to let go.

00:25:17.000 It's a it's the sunk cost.

00:25:19.000 It's like being in a bad marriage or a bad relationship.

00:25:22.000 You think about all that effort you put into it.

00:25:24.000 So that made it hard to say, but what was great and what was wonderful is that when he won, I said, Great, he's my president, now I can start clean.

00:25:34.000 And what happened with the reason why I was having issues with him was I I fell into the trap of taking him literally, paying attention to words and not deeds, and then when he became president, it was like that I and I started using that as a mantra on my show.

00:25:50.000 It's deeds, not words.

00:25:52.000 If you know, it's not about his tweets, it's about is your life getting better.

00:25:56.000 And that's what like completely that framework changed me, and it made me see that I had been like obsessed with something so stupid that I turned out ended up I really liked, which are his tweets.

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00:27:15.000 I want to I want to touch on two final things in our time remaining.

00:27:17.000 The Democrats are trying to figure out what they're doing.

00:27:19.000 I mean, look, the Democrat Donald Trump controls the Democrat platform.

00:27:22.000 He just has to do something, they do the opposite, right?

00:27:24.000 So the Democrat platform is completely controlled by Donald Trump.

00:27:27.000 Yes, exactly.

00:27:27.000 No, they will do the they will do.

00:27:29.000 If he says, if he told the Democrats, don't punch yourself in the face.

00:27:35.000 They will start smacking each, they'll just break their own noses. 1.00

00:27:40.000 You know what it is?

00:27:41.000 It's the um when you choose common sense as your higher it's uh it's called the high ground maneuver.

00:27:48.000 What can let's say you you your opponent chooses the the path of common sense.

00:27:55.000 What do you choose to oppose it?

00:27:58.000 Uh not common sense.

00:28:00.000 That's what they're doing.

00:28:01.000 They don't because there's nothing if you choose the uh common sense is the higher ground, there's nothing around it to stand on.

00:28:09.000 So you're stuck doing really stupid things.

00:28:12.000 You're on every 80 or 90, 20, 10 issue, you're choosing the bad guy.

00:28:18.000 You're choosing the Maryland dad.

00:28:21.000 You know, it's you're choosing gangs, you're choosing uh pot farmers because you can't you can't match it.

00:28:31.000 So which I'm for, by the way.

00:28:32.000 Those kids need to get strong.

00:28:35.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:28:36.000 It's underrated.

00:28:38.000 Their little hands are really good with fixing watches.

00:28:43.000 Clip that, please, and uh put that up there. 0.57

00:28:45.000 Greg, Greg endorses child labor.

00:28:49.000 Yes.

00:28:50.000 Greg, you you will get more clips from media matters than me in this conversation.

00:28:54.000 So they're clipping.

00:28:55.000 So so Greg, but you live in New York City.

00:28:58.000 That is correct.

00:28:59.000 And you are witnessing the rise of an attempt by the Democrats to figure themselves out.

00:29:06.000 Yes.

00:29:07.000 I'm obviously talking about Andrew Cuomo.

00:29:09.000 Yeah.

00:29:10.000 No.

00:29:11.000 But so Mom Dani.

00:29:14.000 Yeah, so God, you guys just misunderstand the guy.

00:29:22.000 You know, that's what that's what the Dems are trying to do now.

00:29:24.000 Uh with whenever a new socialist comes up, they act like it's a it's like, oh no, this is a better version.

00:29:31.000 There's no such thing as a better version.

00:29:33.000 It's like chat GPT 4.0.

00:29:35.000 Yes, it's a good thing.

00:29:35.000 It's gonna keep getting better.

00:29:36.000 Yeah, it's uh it's a it's learning.

00:29:38.000 That's not that's 4.0.

00:29:41.000 It's still I gotta use that for my show.

00:29:47.000 They'll just have to bleep it.

00:29:49.000 So you're on cable.

00:29:50.000 Yes, yeah, so they'll probably bleep it.

00:29:52.000 But they they always um they always like the the issue with socialism is they always believe that it's you know it just hasn't been perfected.

00:29:59.000 Well, that was the whole point of capitalism.

00:30:02.000 Capitalism doesn't have to be perfect to work.

00:30:05.000 The only way socialism can work is if it's perfect, and that's not possible.

00:30:10.000 It's not possible.

00:30:11.000 The thing that kills me is they keep talking about, you know, he's really hit the cord on affordability.

00:30:17.000 You cannot find one example in history where socialism has made anything affordable, it's only made things awful and good things more scarce and therefore more expensive.

00:30:30.000 So Well, uh on his grocery store plan to his credit.

00:30:34.000 I love that.

00:30:35.000 I will say, New Yorkers will lose 15 pounds in like six months on his grocery store plan.

00:30:39.000 I mean there'll be no food.

00:30:41.000 The only thing that can make the department for the motor vehicles worse is if they sold food.

00:30:46.000 It it I mean you're get your number, wait for two hours for bananas.

00:30:50.000 I mean, I'm sure there are people here from like Pennsylvania or wherever we would you have ABC liquor stores.

00:30:55.000 I never knew that growing up in the West Coast.

00:30:57.000 Then I moved to Allentown, and I never seen a a government-run liquor store, and they are depressing.

00:31:03.000 I didn't know that.

00:31:03.000 I didn't know you would quit drinking.

00:31:05.000 But do you do you know what I I do encounter in New Jersey is basically pseudo-run gas stations, you have to have an attendant pump your gas.

00:31:13.000 Oh, yes.

00:31:13.000 Like, what is that?

00:31:14.000 When that's like the oldest regulation, you gotta wait for the guy, and he's using the restroom. 0.99

00:31:19.000 Like, I I have to go.

00:31:20.000 He's like it's that loss still is.

00:31:22.000 This is why I drive straight through Jersey.

00:31:25.000 Quickly.

00:31:26.000 Quickly.

00:31:26.000 Oh, I was gonna say another thing about oh, the one thing people have to understand uh Zoran.

00:31:31.000 The one thing that people are are overlooking is that he says police officers should not respond to crime, that they should send people who are trained in it.

00:31:40.000 So when you have a a subway maniac who throws a woman in front of uh of a train or one setting them on fire, you shouldn't send the police.

00:31:47.000 You should send a social worker.

00:31:49.000 I think that journalists should go find these social workers he's talking about.

00:31:54.000 None exist.

00:31:55.000 There's no social worker, no matter how liberal they are, will ever want to go down to the subway and address a maniac.

00:32:03.000 And again, it's another case of a left winger throwing women, literally at this case, under the bus.

00:32:12.000 Under the subway.

00:32:14.000 So Greg, in the couple minutes we have, I uh there's two things.

00:32:17.000 I do want to hit one of those.

00:32:18.000 I want to hit two things quick.

00:32:20.000 I want you to give kind of a send-off for the college students at the end.

00:32:23.000 But first, you're a new dad.

00:32:25.000 Yes.

00:32:29.000 Yeah.

00:32:30.000 And I was joking backstage.

00:32:33.000 He did have his first kid finally before Social Security hit.

00:32:36.000 Yes, that was my goal.

00:32:38.000 So I had my I I have a baby girl, seven months old.

00:32:42.000 Um at the at the age of 60, which is um I still don't know.

00:32:56.000 But I think that you know, I think I realized that I would have been a lousy dad 10 years ago, 20 years ago, and then I I don't know what it was.

00:33:03.000 I just realized I think I can be a good dad now.

00:33:05.000 I don't know what it was.

00:33:06.000 That's my only explanation for why I just never thought I would be.

00:33:11.000 Well, I party pretty hard.

00:33:12.000 So I think I had to like, you know what?

00:33:14.000 Now I'm a normal person.

00:33:16.000 I'm gonna do, you know, I can do it now.

00:33:17.000 But I was a very selfish, I'd say in my 30s, I think that's you know what there's your advice.

00:33:23.000 The most important thing you can do is don't be selfish.

00:33:26.000 I think I I led a fairly fairly selfish life in my 20s and my 30s.

00:33:30.000 And the most important thing, the probably the most selfish thing you can do is to be of service to other people, because the the high you get from that is amazing, and it's gonna make you a better person.

00:33:42.000 I I led my I I think I most of my life was uh was a purely transactional.

00:33:47.000 What can I get out of things?

00:33:49.000 And I think that's why I, you know, I think I felt like I've grown a lot in the last boy.

00:33:54.000 I'm getting serious.

00:33:54.000 Shut up, Greg.

00:33:56.000 So let's go deeper, Greg.

00:33:59.000 All right, Dr. Phil.

00:34:00.000 How has it changed?

00:34:01.000 I have a doll here.

00:34:02.000 I'd like to show you.

00:34:04.000 Exactly.

00:34:04.000 But all kidding aside, I mean, has it given you more purpose to your life?

00:34:10.000 Well, yeah, and I mean I mean it you end up being a cliche.

00:34:14.000 That's the thing.

00:34:15.000 It's like the cliche is the person who says, My God, uh, when I had a child, it changed my laugh.

00:34:22.000 Well, it's a cliche because it's true. 0.97

00:34:25.000 It's a what's called a transformational experience, which is like you you don't know what it's like until you do it.

00:34:31.000 And it's a sh and it's a shame because there's a lot of people who you know terminate children without ever knowing that if they had the child, they would have thank God they they didn't listen to themselves.

00:34:43.000 But that's you know Well, and I'll say, Greg, I want to just say, we watch you.

00:34:50.000 Thank you for standing for the unborn.

00:34:52.000 The fight for pro life is more important than ever.

00:34:54.000 So thank you truly.

00:34:55.000 You got it.

00:34:55.000 No, no, that's real, that's really big.

00:34:57.000 Final thoughts, Greg.

00:34:59.000 Um, final thoughts.

00:35:01.000 I think like the most important thing, and you're kind of already doing it, is to have fun.

00:35:05.000 You're the fun generation.

00:35:07.000 This isn't like I didn't grow up with this.

00:35:10.000 You know, we as a right winger, I had a hide, and all the left wingers were the cool kids.

00:35:15.000 Now it's flipped.

00:35:17.000 So enjoy the flip.

00:35:19.000 Greg Guttfeld, everybody.

00:35:22.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:23.000 Email us as always, freedom at Charliekirk.com.

00:35:26.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 08, 2025

The Power of Words: How Liberalism Works w- Greg Gutfeld

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