The Charlie Kirk Show - The President vs. Pope + Blockade on Iran

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00:01:17.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 It's Monday, April 13th.

00:01:22.000 I am remote on assignment, but Blake is holding it down at the Y Refi Studios back in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:01:29.000 Blake.

00:01:30.000 How we doing?

00:01:30.000 Howdy, Andrew.

00:01:31.000 Quite a weekend, huh?

00:01:34.000 Quite a week.

00:01:35.000 You know, I just feel like we just need to have that ready to go every Monday because it seems like just about every weekend these days is quite a weekend.

00:01:43.000 We've got Swalwell news, we've got Pope news, we've got Trump as Jesus news, we've got blockades in the Strait of Hormuz news, we've got all kinds of stuff.

00:01:53.000 So, why don't we get right down to it?

00:01:55.000 Blake, you have lined us up with a great guest to help explain this blockade after the peace negotiations broke down in Islamabad.

00:02:03.000 Pakistan over the weekend with JD Vance leading the charge there.

00:02:08.000 Blake, the floor is yours.

00:02:09.000 All right.

00:02:09.000 Yes.

00:02:10.000 Let's jump right to him.

00:02:12.000 So we had this guy on right after the election to talk about the shipbuilding crisis of the U.S. Navy, which we're hopefully making some progress towards resolving.

00:02:21.000 John Conrad.

00:02:22.000 Afternoon, guys.

00:02:23.000 Thank you for having me on.

00:02:25.000 Hello.

00:02:25.000 Welcome back.

00:02:26.000 So, John is an expert on merchant marine shipping and he's had a lot of opinions.

00:02:32.000 And right when this was announced, I messaged him and I asked what he thought of the president's plan to blockade the Strait of Hormuz, which we were previously concerned about Iran mining and blocking.

00:02:44.000 And so, it's a bit of a pivot.

00:02:47.000 But, John, why don't you just tell us what you make of it?

00:02:49.000 Yeah, and I apologize for my casual attire today in the hotel room.

00:02:53.000 There's the biggest naval conference. in the world next week in D.C.

00:02:57.000 And before I headed out to there, I had to get out on the Pacific Ocean.

00:03:02.000 I think a lot of these admirals and bureaucrats are stuck in the Pentagon in D.C.

00:03:07.000 They don't remember the harsh environment of the ocean.

00:03:10.000 They haven't been out there and tasted the salt water.

00:03:12.000 So I wanted to get out there and I got a little sunburn on my nose. 0.54

00:03:16.000 But with the Strait of Hormuz, what's happening is the Iranians put some mines down.

00:03:24.000 We don't think there are very many mines.

00:03:26.000 but even a few mines is going to send the commercial shipping companies haywire because of insurance and the insurance ties to London.

00:03:37.000 And they don't want to take those risks today.

00:03:40.000 So some ships have been transiting through what people have been calling the Ayatollah tow booth, going through the way up north in the Strait of Hormuz, hugging the coast of Iran.

00:03:52.000 But Iran's, I don't want to call it a parliament, a body of.

00:03:59.000 Bureaucrats have said that they are going to toll the ships that go through the Strait of Hormuz going forward in the future.

00:04:09.000 And this would have an inflationary impact on the entire world economy.

00:04:15.000 So Trump announced yesterday that is not okay.

00:04:19.000 They tried to negotiate previously.

00:04:21.000 JD Vance flew to Pakistan to try to come up with a deal with Iran.

00:04:27.000 They turned down that deal.

00:04:29.000 So Trump says, hey, if If you're going to do that, we are going to blockade all ships going to and from Iran, choking off their economy and putting a lot of pressure on the regime.

00:04:44.000 Okay, but I guess what do you think of first of all, are we able to do this safely?

00:04:51.000 Does this make sense strategically?

00:04:53.000 And where does it lead?

00:04:55.000 Because I guess what feels strange to me is if the problem was previously that we couldn't transit the strait safely.

00:05:03.000 I'm not sure how we necessarily get closer to ending the conflict by saying nobody gets to transit the Strait.

00:05:08.000 Well, Trump has said that allies and neutral countries are able to transit the Strait.

00:05:16.000 You know, we did this, a minor, Trump called it a blockade.

00:05:20.000 It wasn't really a blockade in Venezuela, where they took the shadow tanker ships that were entering and exiting Venezuela.

00:05:29.000 We had Coast Guard teams along with our boarding teams from the military.

00:05:36.000 go on, land on helicopters on these supertankers and seize them.

00:05:41.000 Except that was not a blockade.

00:05:43.000 That was a lawful enforcement exercise.

00:05:46.000 These ships were not flagged.

00:05:48.000 They were not part of the international system.

00:05:50.000 And that came under a law enforcement bent.

00:05:54.000 This is different.

00:05:55.000 A blockade is an act of war.

00:05:58.000 If you start stopping all ships that are coming into and out of Iran, that is not a That is not a law enforcement.

00:06:08.000 You do not need the Coast Guard.

00:06:10.000 We think that this is the reason that Marines are probably there on their amphibious ships, that they can start boarding these ships and diverting them. 0.99

00:06:18.000 But it's Iranian ships.

00:06:20.000 It is not Qatar, UAE, other ships from Europe and Asia that want to go in and get oil from other places in the Gulf.

00:06:32.000 This is very specifically on ships going to Karg Island and potentially bringing weapons from places like Russia and China into Iran.

00:06:42.000 All right, but I guess the rational thing, you say we have it open to neutral countries that aren't going to pay Iran's toll, but this doesn't necessarily get us closer to the issue because, in addition to mines, aren't we also worried that they could shell, shoot at these ships?

00:06:58.000 And if they do that, are we able to protect them?

00:07:02.000 Well, yes, I realize I didn't answer your last question.

00:07:05.000 This is not as dangerous as people think.

00:07:08.000 We have brand new mine sweeping ships, the littoral combat ships in the area.

00:07:15.000 We have four of them.

00:07:17.000 Each of these ships have two minesweepers that can sweep these mines.

00:07:20.000 We know the general location of these mines, and we can divert around them. 0.59

00:07:25.000 But like you said, the real danger is these flying drones, the Shahid drones, and Iran does have ballistic anti-ship missiles.

00:07:36.000 Two things I want to point out. 0.70

00:07:38.000 And first is the Iranians sent all these drones to the Houthis in the Red Sea, and they were able to damage ships. 0.81

00:07:49.000 Thousands of drones and missiles that were shot in the Red Sea, most of them were the Iranian. 0.62

00:07:55.000 They were only able to sink one ship with those drones. 0.96

00:08:01.000 These ships, especially the tankers, are double hulled.

00:08:04.000 They have water tanks on the side.

00:08:05.000 So if you penetrate, you got to penetrate steel, then water, then into the fuel.

00:08:11.000 It is dangerous.

00:08:12.000 It can cause an explosion.

00:08:14.000 I don't want to undermine that.

00:08:16.000 But we have not, you know, these reports that drones make ships obsolete is.

00:08:23.000 Is false.

00:08:24.000 We have seen very little effectiveness.

00:08:27.000 We know it takes a lot of drones.

00:08:29.000 We don't know the exact number.

00:08:30.000 We think it's between seven and 10 to launch to actually hit a ship.

00:08:34.000 And like I said, only one ship has been sunk.

00:08:38.000 But these destroyers, the U.S. Navy destroyers, are excellent at shooting down these drones and missiles.

00:08:45.000 When the destroyers were in the Red Sea, they were able to protect 100% of the ships that they convoyed.

00:08:53.000 We know from President Trump's note that over 100 Drones and missiles were fired at our carrier in the beginning of war, and we shot down 100% of them.

00:09:04.000 The problem is each destroyer only has 96 missiles.

00:09:09.000 And once those run out, it can take two weeks to get to Diego Garcia, reload, and come back.

00:09:17.000 So it wasn't a lack of capability that it was dangerous for the U.S. Navy to transit.

00:09:23.000 It was we just did not have enough destroyers in the region.

00:09:27.000 These are the world's best platforms, but we needed time to get more in.

00:09:31.000 There was a great clip, Captain John Conrad, that I saw from.

00:09:37.000 Tom Sauer on Fox this morning talking about the underwater drones that we have to get rid of these mines.

00:09:43.000 I'm going to go ahead and play it and get your reaction to it.

00:09:46.000 Clip 13.

00:09:47.000 And in order to hunt for those mines, we've got some of the most sophisticated unmanned underwater vehicle technology that's led by EOD Mobile Unit 6.

00:09:58.000 We've got some excellent technology, and there's even better technology that's on the way.

00:10:03.000 So these are underwater drones that are actually going out.

00:10:08.000 I guess hunting the mines, maybe, do they explode them ever?

00:10:11.000 Is that part of the goal?

00:10:12.000 Or are they just trying to identify where they are so you can create a route around them?

00:10:16.000 Well, Tom's a good friend of mine.

00:10:19.000 He was a good friend of Charlie Kirk and Jack Posobick.

00:10:23.000 He is the expert in this.

00:10:25.000 He is a former Navy UDT.

00:10:29.000 So he was a Marine first, then went to Naval Academy, became a surface warfare officer, then a UDT.

00:10:35.000 What is UDT?

00:10:36.000 Underwater Demolition Team.

00:10:39.000 So, the first step in any mine clearing is you have to find out exactly where the mines are.

00:10:45.000 So, we have these littoral combat ships.

00:10:47.000 They send out these two remote control piloted boats that tow sonar arrays, like your fish finder, but on a bass boat, but a lot more advanced.

00:10:58.000 And they're going to map where each of the mines are.

00:11:00.000 And then they can send underwater drones to get a picture of it to go around and identify the type.

00:11:07.000 And then, depending on the type, They can either send a sort of a kamikaze-like submarine drone to go and explode it, or they can send these UDT divers.

00:11:18.000 These guys dive with the Navy SEALs.

00:11:21.000 They are the experts in explosives.

00:11:26.000 And another fun fact is all of the explosive teams in the Army, in your local SWAT team, all the guys who deal with explosives, bomb disposal, They are all trained by the Navy UDT school in Florida.

00:11:43.000 So these are the premier guys who it's one of the most dangerous jobs in the world, but they can actually dive down and try to either set explosives on the mine, swim away and explode it, or potentially disconnect the triggering fuse.

00:11:59.000 Captain John Conrad from GCaptain.com.

00:12:03.000 It seems like what I'm hearing you say is the naval vessels, the U.S. Navy vessels, can deal with the missile attacks as long as they can keep them reloaded, restocked, and that we can successfully sweep these mines and do this blockade.

00:12:20.000 It seems like the military capacity is there.

00:12:23.000 Am I hearing you that that would be your general assessment?

00:12:27.000 Absolutely.

00:12:28.000 And what's brilliant about this.

00:12:31.000 particular campaign is they are going slow despite enormous pressure from the Europeans and others, particularly the kind of shipping cabal in London that runs this insurance and the International Maritime Organization, the UN body.

00:12:46.000 They're pushing the military to go fast, but Trump is saying, let's go slow.

00:12:51.000 Let's get the right equipment in.

00:12:53.000 Let's take our time.

00:12:54.000 Let's not put any forces in danger.

00:12:58.000 Trump said, I believe it was last week, that only 10%, I believe less than 10% of U.S. military capabilities have been surged to the Persian Gulf.

00:13:08.000 So we're doing this methodically.

00:13:10.000 We're doing it slowly.

00:13:12.000 And yes, some of the world is going to suffer higher prices.

00:13:17.000 There are going to be fertilizer problems.

00:13:19.000 But we've also seen that the U.S. has the excess capacity.

00:13:24.000 You have a line of supertankers coming to the Gulf to load oil in Texas and otherwise.

00:13:30.000 Yeah, we're getting reports that there is over 121 ships.

00:13:36.000 Empty oil tankers headed right now to the Gulf of America.

00:13:40.000 61 of those ships are super tankers that can carry up to 2 million barrels of oil each.

00:13:46.000 So that's pretty, that seems like a lot of supply is going to be coming out of the Gulf of America.

00:13:50.000 Let's talk.

00:13:51.000 So we've dealt with the military side of this, John.

00:13:54.000 What about the trade side, right?

00:13:56.000 So we're hearing that Asian countries are actually coming to America to refuel, to get the oil tankers filled up.

00:14:04.000 What does this mean geopolitically?

00:14:08.000 How reliant is Asia?

00:14:10.000 In this moment, until the strait gets cleared on U.S. oil?

00:14:13.000 Well, the important thing is the Supreme Court tariff decision, I think, is absolutely critical to all of this.

00:14:21.000 So, we all know the Supreme Court said that the tariffs were illegal, but they didn't say the president can't institute tariffs.

00:14:28.000 They said he cannot use specific mechanisms.

00:14:31.000 So, this is causing a major reset in tariff negotiations.

00:14:35.000 We have to go back and renegotiate with each of these countries.

00:14:39.000 And every day the strait's closed, and every day they're reliant on us for oil, natural gas, and other supplies kind of gives us better leverage on these trade negotiations.

00:14:52.000 But the one country that is suffering the most from this is China.

00:14:58.000 They bought oil from Venezuela.

00:15:01.000 They bought oil from Russia and Iran.

00:15:05.000 And those sources are being closed off because, you know, we've established a new government in Venezuela.

00:15:13.000 We have this blockade in Iran.

00:15:15.000 And we've given the green light to Ukrainians and other European nations. 0.84

00:15:19.000 We're not doing ourselves to go after Russian ships.

00:15:23.000 There was a Russian LNG ship two weeks ago that exploded in the Gulf.

00:15:26.000 I don't think we participated, but we're saying, hey, if other countries want to do that, go ahead.

00:15:32.000 So we're getting a lot of political economic leverage in the entire world here.

00:15:40.000 So, Captain John, when we had you on for the first time, it was right as the new administration was starting, and the topic was shipbuilding, military procurement.

00:15:49.000 As you said, our biggest choke point in this obstacle with RAND, for example, is just our ability to make enough missiles to shoot stuff down.

00:15:55.000 And similarly, I know another choke point is do we have enough ships to send them where we need them?

00:16:03.000 Just tell us, in one minute, has there been progress on that in the first year and a half, roughly, of the Of the second Trump administration, or is there hope for additional progress?

00:16:14.000 Yeah, it's a pure numbers game.

00:16:15.000 These destroyers are the best, so we have 74, but one third are in maintenance, one third are being worked up for redeployment.

00:16:23.000 So you only have 24, and half of them are in the carriers.

00:16:26.000 So we only have 12 available.

00:16:28.000 The most important thing in this entire equation with Hormoon is getting enough ships.

00:16:33.000 And we have a merchant marine crewing crisis, so the Navy had to lay up 17 oilers and ammo resupply ships.

00:16:42.000 We are making progress.

00:16:43.000 President Trump continues to push it.

00:16:45.000 I've taken several trips with Pete Hegseth.

00:16:51.000 They are pushing it from the top, but there is a lot of administrative pull on this.

00:16:56.000 We have the executive order for shipbuilding.

00:16:59.000 We have the maritime action plan.

00:17:02.000 It's uncertain.

00:17:03.000 We now have a $1.5 trillion defense budget, and a lot of this is the biggest shipbuilding budgetary allocation in modern history.

00:17:14.000 But we still haven't done the actual orders.

00:17:17.000 We're still getting tripped up on a lot of the bureaucracy.

00:17:20.000 And quite frankly, there are Marxist forces and other forces within the Pentagon, within DC.

00:17:27.000 The Trump battleship would be the ideal weapon for this, but they're pushing back.

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00:19:01.000 Okay, so really quickly, we got to talk about.

00:19:04.000 We're going to get to Swalwell in just a second, but we got to talk about what happened to Savannah Hernandez.

00:19:09.000 She is a TPOSA Frontlines journalist, and she was brutally assaulted this weekend in Minneapolis.

00:19:18.000 So this happened on April 11th, so two days ago.

00:19:21.000 She was filming outside of the Whipple Federal Building, an ICE facility in Minneapolis, during an anti ICE protest.

00:19:29.000 So she was getting B roll, she was doing it lawfully, when a gentleman named William Scott Kelly, known online as Da Woke Farmer, and already, by the way, under investigation for federal investigation for January 2026 incident when he stormed City's Church.

00:19:49.000 You guys will remember that incident.

00:19:51.000 So, this guy's a total troublemaker.

00:19:53.000 He's back at it again because apparently we weren't able to keep him behind bars while his case is getting prosecuted.

00:19:59.000 So, this gentleman spots Savannah filming and pointed her out to the anti ICE protesters, activists, leftists.

00:20:08.000 Call him a mob.

00:20:09.000 The so next thing she knows, she's getting assaulted, screamed at, and then pushed to the ground violently by that gentleman right there, who we'll get to in just a second.

00:20:19.000 That is Ostrushko, a gentleman named Chris Ostrushko.

00:20:26.000 There's a whole family. 0.60

00:20:27.000 They shoved Savannah from behind, knocking her to the ground. 1.00

00:20:30.000 Paige Ostrushko blew a whistle aggressively in her ear at close range before making physical contact, and Diana Ostrushko participated in the mobbing and confrontation. 0.99

00:20:41.000 Multiple people. 0.99

00:20:42.000 Swung at Savannah during this incident.

00:20:45.000 She reported injuries, including broken glasses, a headache, and a stiff neck.

00:20:49.000 I personally called her as soon as I tried to call her immediately when I saw the footage.

00:20:53.000 I couldn't get through.

00:20:55.000 And then I called her a little bit later, got through.

00:20:57.000 She was pretty shaken up, but just really upset as well that this happened.

00:21:01.000 It should be peaceful to be able to go be an independent journalist on the ground and get B roll.

00:21:08.000 You should not have your life at risk.

00:21:10.000 And the fact that these thugs, these Quote unquote activists that are actually thugs and militants come after somebody like Savannah who does it the right way, who's minding her own business, was just trying to get B roll, should insult and inflame all of your anger.

00:21:31.000 The Hennepin County Sheriff's Office has confirmed that the three Ostrushko family members will be charged by complaint in connection with the assault.

00:21:39.000 A fourth individual, Lorenzo Amadeo Garcia, was arrested and booked for obstruction of the legal process.

00:21:45.000 Apparently, that's pages.

00:21:47.000 Ostrusko's boyfriend.

00:21:50.000 Parmeet Dillon has chimed in saying she's on it, which gives us an indication that the DOJ is looking into possible federal charges.

00:21:58.000 It's a shocking piece of footage.

00:22:01.000 And if you guys want to play that again, because she was trying to get away, she said, Leave me alone.

00:22:08.000 I'm just getting away.

00:22:09.000 And they kept coming after her.

00:22:11.000 And then a grown man who probably outweighs Savannah by three times thought it was okay to violently push her to the ground.

00:22:19.000 Look at these people.

00:22:20.000 She's just trying to ignore them. 1.00

00:22:23.000 She's trying to go about her business. 0.85

00:22:24.000 She's trying to walk away, and they wouldn't let her.

00:22:27.000 And by the way, what they're doing to her ears right there is assault as well.

00:22:32.000 I just want to make that very clear.

00:22:33.000 When you blow a whistle in somebody's ear, you could damage their hearing permanently, forever.

00:22:38.000 So don't let that slide off without notice.

00:22:43.000 So, there was a couple people that apparently tried and attempted to help her.

00:22:48.000 Thank you to them.

00:22:49.000 But all the same, this should have never happened.

00:22:51.000 It's an outrage.

00:22:53.000 All of these people involved in assaulting Savannah Hernandez need to go to prison.

00:22:58.000 And I do not trust local authorities to do this the right way.

00:23:01.000 This would probably end up with a slap on the wrist.

00:23:03.000 They'll be let out like this dewoke farmer guy, William Scott Kelly, to go out and harass people, intimidate, and assault people again.

00:23:12.000 So, I sincerely hope.

00:23:15.000 That the federal government, the DOJ, presses federal charges against these thugs.

00:23:20.000 Because what happened to Savannah Hernandez is unacceptable and it's unfortunately part of a longer trend.

00:23:27.000 It started a long time ago, but obviously what happened with Charlie will change the lives of so many of us forever.

00:23:35.000 We cannot allow this type of violence to go unmatched, unanswered, unaccounted for.

00:23:44.000 End up in prison for a very, very long time.

00:23:47.000 And I hope it sends a message loud and clear across the country that if you want to attack journalists, you're going to go to prison.

00:23:53.000 You will be held accountable.

00:23:54.000 Like, I don't know if you saw this story.

00:23:56.000 I'm sure you saw this story over the weekend if you have thoughts.

00:23:59.000 The most important thing is, yeah, this shows exactly why it's so important the change we made in the White House, which is this sort of thing has been happening to citizen journalists like Savannah, like others.

00:24:13.000 Ryan, who's the Asian guy who would go to all of the Antifa things?

00:24:16.000 He would always get attacked. 1.00

00:24:17.000 Show.

00:24:18.000 Yeah.

00:24:18.000 Joe, Cam Higby.

00:24:20.000 Yeah.

00:24:20.000 All these guys get attacked.

00:24:22.000 They'll get things thrown at them.

00:24:25.000 All this stuff happens all the time.

00:24:26.000 And it's always treated as no big deal.

00:24:29.000 These people never face consequences for it.

00:24:32.000 Sometimes you even end up with the government saying, oh, actually, we arrested you in an illegal way.

00:24:37.000 And they'll make settlements with these people, give them money, basically bankroll them.

00:24:42.000 And what's been going on in the background, we actually have the federal government for the first time has gotten serious convictions of Antifa.

00:24:49.000 Activists, terrorists, whatever you want to call them.

00:24:52.000 And that's hugely important.

00:24:53.000 We actually can have confidence that something will happen to these people, whether it's at least bringing them up in court, making them have to defend themselves.

00:25:01.000 But hopefully, yeah, we get convictions. 0.99

00:25:03.000 We hold them accountable for this crap. 0.98

00:25:05.000 Yeah, and here's the dirty little secret a lot of these judges, a lot of these prosecutors in Hennepin County, they don't care about Savannah Hernandez. 0.99

00:25:14.000 They think of her as a troublemaker for trying to document anti-IS protests in Minneapolis.

00:25:19.000 They want these thugs to get off.

00:25:22.000 And so you're going to see slaps on the wrist.

00:25:24.000 You're going to see this and that.

00:25:25.000 No, to Blake's point, this is why having a new administration in Washington, having an actual DOJ that wants to aggressively prosecute crime like this, vigilante streets, is so important.

00:25:40.000 So I don't want to hear everybody whining all the time about, oh, I don't like what President Trump's doing.

00:25:44.000 When it comes to this kind of stuff, what do you want?

00:25:48.000 The alternative would be disastrous.

00:25:52.000 So, we are praying for Savannah.

00:25:54.000 She's going to be on Laura Ingram's show tonight, and we support her.

00:25:58.000 We're working with her closely.

00:25:59.000 We're working, our in house legal team is working on making sure everything's all the I's are dotted and the T's are crossed here, giving her the best support we can.

00:26:08.000 Our team is on it, as well as with security.

00:26:11.000 So, rest assured, Turning Point is on it.

00:26:15.000 And, anyways, we just pray for her safety.

00:26:18.000 You know, this happens, by the way.

00:26:19.000 This happens, like we mentioned Cam Higbee, Nick Soar, now Savannah.

00:26:23.000 When you get to a certain prominence and a level of being known, these anti ICE protests, they create lists.

00:26:30.000 So we got to make sure that they are safe out in the field doing this important work.

00:26:34.000 And, anyways, I've talked to Savannah continually over the weekend and she's doing okay.

00:26:39.000 I mean, I called her on Sunday just to check back in with her and she said, you know, my body hurts.

00:26:44.000 That shouldn't be a thing, okay?

00:26:46.000 We're glad she's going to be okay, but this should not be a thing.

00:26:50.000 And the fact that the left has so glorified.

00:26:55.000 Violence against conservatives has so justified in their own minds that it's okay to go after a conservative journalist just because of the fact that she works with Turning Point or the fact that she believes differently than them.

00:27:08.000 It's not okay.

00:27:09.000 It's un American. 1.00

00:27:10.000 It's diabolical. 1.00

00:27:11.000 It's from the pit of hell. 0.98

00:27:11.000 It's evil. 0.98

00:27:13.000 And it will continue.

00:27:15.000 It will get worse until these people are held accountable.

00:27:18.000 So I just want to say thank you to Harmeet Dillon at the DOJ for chiming in on this publicly.

00:27:24.000 And we very much look forward to charges being filed in this case because they need to be.

00:27:32.000 There is another example of just how ruthless the left truly is.

00:27:38.000 And that is, of course, Eric Swalwell.

00:27:41.000 Blake, have you ever seen an op be executed with such precision and velocity as what just happened to Eric Swalwell?

00:27:52.000 Honestly, the main one that comes to mind is the op to get Joe Biden out.

00:27:57.000 Which was pretty similar.

00:27:58.000 When they really feel us clinging to power hinges on this question, they're a little better about getting their ducks in a row, as it were.

00:28:08.000 And that's what was going on here.

00:28:10.000 We love to hype up wow, you know, they're so scattered.

00:28:12.000 There could be two Republicans who finish in the top two in this primary because there's only two Republicans and there's five or six or seven Democrats.

00:28:20.000 And Democrats saw the same thing and said, we've got to get rid of one of these and we have stuff to take out.

00:28:25.000 So, well, bam, vaporized.

00:28:27.000 Well, and let's just be very clear.

00:28:29.000 So, Swahwell has been accused, and I believe credibly accused, by multiple women of sexual assault, even rape allegations by former staffers.

00:28:37.000 Okay.

00:28:38.000 Here's the dirty little secret this is not new.

00:28:42.000 We've known about these rumors about Eric Swahwell for a long time.

00:28:46.000 Okay.

00:28:47.000 The fact that this was laid out as it was by the San Francisco Chronicle and CNN, and then everybody hopped on board was truly impressive.

00:28:58.000 I mean, it's terrifying.

00:29:00.000 But it's truly impressive.

00:29:02.000 When the Democrats want to take out somebody politically, they know how to do that op.

00:29:07.000 They're staffed by a bunch of former CIA color revolutionaries, and they know how to do it.

00:29:12.000 So this happened so quickly. 0.54

00:29:15.000 So, Blake, I have a theory about this Melania Trump press conference last week and then how that kicked off Swalwell.

00:29:15.000 All right.

00:29:23.000 Because what Melania did is she surprised everybody. 1.00

00:29:26.000 She goes on offense when it comes to the Epstein survivors and the victims there.

00:29:31.000 And she says, We want to hear from them.

00:29:32.000 We want justice for them.

00:29:33.000 They should be able to.

00:29:34.000 Testify before Congress.

00:29:36.000 Let's get this done.

00:29:37.000 Now, this surprised everybody because it wasn't a telegraph move.

00:29:41.000 There wasn't President Trump being asked about it, kind of hinting about this.

00:29:44.000 It just happened.

00:29:45.000 The White House press corps was surprised.

00:29:47.000 It put the Democrats on defense because it made them have to answer the question do they really care about justice or do they really just want to get President Trump?

00:29:56.000 Meanwhile, as I mentioned before, this Swalwell news has been hanging in the background for a long time.

00:30:01.000 A lot of people have known about it.

00:30:03.000 As a matter of fact, You know, our friend Steve Hilton in California, he's been hearing about these rumors for a long time about Swalwell.

00:30:11.000 So everybody knew about it.

00:30:12.000 The question was when were they going to deploy the assault?

00:30:16.000 When were they going to deploy the story? 1.00

00:30:20.000 You got Melania Trump putting him on defense.

00:30:22.000 They go, hey, listen, we want to own the moral high ground and be supportive of survivors.

00:30:26.000 So, what did you see?

00:30:27.000 The story drops.

00:30:28.000 You got his BFF, Ruben Gallego, who's like buddy buddy with Swalwell.

00:30:34.000 That's another thing you got to know.

00:30:36.000 Gallego is a real peach out of Arizona.

00:30:38.000 He's best buddies, endorsed Swalwell.

00:30:40.000 He comes out and goes, oh, I'm so sorry.

00:30:43.000 These are really serious allegations.

00:30:45.000 And I just condemn him and I'm going to take away my endorsement of Eric Swalwell.

00:30:50.000 You had Adam Schiff saying similar things.

00:30:53.000 Up and down the board, Democrats pounce.

00:30:56.000 By the end of the weekend, there were 50 former staffers that called the allegations against Swalwell credible and they wanted to see justice done.

00:31:05.000 Now you have Swalwell being called to resign from Congress.

00:31:09.000 Dropping out of the gubernatorial race was not good enough.

00:31:12.000 So now he is being, there's calls being made up and down the Democrat Party political apparatus in DC calling for him to step out of Congress.

00:31:23.000 Now, to be clear, he denies these allegations, Blake.

00:31:26.000 Of course, he denies them, but the allegations have been there for some time.

00:31:29.000 Certainly, the Fang Fang allegations loom large over Swalwell's head and have for many years.

00:31:35.000 And so, I believe that this was something that Melania Trump maybe inadvertently triggered for the Democrats.

00:31:44.000 They were going to do it, it's just a matter of when she forced their hand.

00:31:47.000 I mean, agree or disagree?

00:31:51.000 It's a convoluted theory, I guess.

00:31:53.000 It's possible, but I think anything like this, and you look at the way it is, something strange about it, the fact that big pieces of it leaked out via Martin Shkreli, I thought that was really strange.

00:32:07.000 I think it'll be, maybe we'll never know the full story of how this op came to be, but I'd love to know more about it.

00:32:14.000 But I think the biggest reason they probably did it now is I think they've just had that steadily building. 0.87

00:32:19.000 Dread about the California race.

00:32:21.000 It wasn't settling.

00:32:22.000 None of the candidates were dropping out.

00:32:24.000 None of them were pulling back.

00:32:25.000 None of them was pulling ahead.

00:32:26.000 And I think there's just that degree of ruthlessness that made them say, someone say, all right, we've just, we've got to pull it.

00:32:32.000 We've got to do it because, and on top of that, it's good to be the governor of California.

00:32:38.000 You get to be the head of, as we know, we're going to have Chris Ruffo on later this week.

00:32:42.000 It is the biggest pile of corruption, probably, arguably, in the entire world that you can control this patronage pie to give out billions in Medicaid funds, billions here, billions there. 0.91

00:32:54.000 You run a giant funnel of money from the federal government and from the suckers who still live there.

00:33:00.000 And that's a big prize to be won. 0.92

00:33:03.000 And I don't know that they need that much of a push from the first lady or anyone else to take out someone.

00:33:09.000 No, I don't think they needed a push. 0.91

00:33:10.000 Don't get me wrong.

00:33:11.000 I think the timing, and when you look at the messaging on the back end, where one by one they all said, We support victims.

00:33:18.000 We believe these women.

00:33:19.000 We are the party that supports victims.

00:33:21.000 And so it was very clear to me from a messaging.

00:33:24.000 Angle what they were trying to do.

00:33:26.000 They were trying to reestablish high ground, the moral high ground, when it came to supporting all victims.

00:33:32.000 I mean, it was just, to me, I saw right through it.

00:33:35.000 Here's what else is interesting Tom Steyer, the billionaire, entrepreneur, and former presidential candidate, he's running as a Democrat.

00:33:41.000 He has now moved into first place on the betting odds for who is to become the next governor of California.

00:33:47.000 Now, what was interesting is that Squalwell was doing remarkably well for a rather unimpressive gentleman.

00:33:54.000 So he was doing remarkably well.

00:33:56.000 He was a problem for Democrats.

00:33:58.000 And the fact, here's my last point on the Swalwell op.

00:34:02.000 I mean, because it was ruthless and brutal and absolutely coordinated.

00:34:08.000 Make no ifs, ands, or buts about that.

00:34:10.000 But here's what's interesting as well, Blake.

00:34:13.000 In the Democrat Party, if you are a straight white male that has some compromise on you, if there is Oppo research on you, they will absolutely take you out without a second thought if you get in the way.

00:34:27.000 You will become expendable as quickly as humanly possible.

00:34:31.000 And, you know, This is a point that Danny made on our team.

00:34:35.000 So give him a shout out.

00:34:36.000 You see him sometimes on our AMAs on Friday.

00:34:39.000 Danny said, you know, he said it kind of shows how strong President Trump is here.

00:34:44.000 That the Democrats have worked multiple ops like this, and they've never been able to take out President Trump.

00:34:50.000 They took out Swalwell in the matter of about 48 hours.

00:34:54.000 That's how powerful President Trump and the coalition behind him is.

00:34:58.000 So, I mean, a very revealing weekend here in many ways.

00:35:03.000 Yeah, I mean, I do.

00:35:05.000 I agree.

00:35:06.000 It is very.

00:35:07.000 It's something you love to point out that he's the most hated man in the world.

00:35:11.000 He has the most enemies of anyone in the world.

00:35:14.000 Certainly, the most resources have gone into his destruction of anyone in the world.

00:35:19.000 And then when you look at what they've offered up, they've offered up those extremely flimsy harassment cases that they ran with, with Eugene Carroll.

00:35:29.000 And then.

00:35:29.000 Where they changed the laws.

00:35:32.000 And then they have to change entire laws and invent entire new legal theories to bring pretty.

00:35:37.000 Weak prosecutions against him.

00:35:39.000 It is pretty remarkable when you look at over a decade of attempts at this point and how much of a failure they've all been.

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00:37:02.000 The president has just delivered a number of responses to various topics, including the ones we're about to get to here now.

00:37:10.000 Joining us for this conversation is Joshua Haymes.

00:37:13.000 He's the host of the Reformation Red Pill podcast, and you can find him on X at Haymes underscore Joshua.

00:37:21.000 Joshua, welcome to the show.

00:37:23.000 Hey, it's good to be here.

00:37:24.000 Thanks for having me on, Andrew.

00:37:26.000 I'm excited to be joining you guys today.

00:37:28.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a pleasure to have you, Joshua.

00:37:31.000 You are a thoughtful guy.

00:37:32.000 I hadn't heard about you until, I don't know, probably the last.

00:37:36.000 Three, four months, something like that.

00:37:38.000 Been really impressed with your commentary and have gotten to know you a little bit.

00:37:42.000 You are a former church planner turned podcaster thinker.

00:37:45.000 Now you're wading into political and cultural topics more and more.

00:37:50.000 So you kind of have that theological bent, but now you're getting more and more into the commentary space.

00:37:55.000 And I think you're really good at it.

00:37:56.000 And, you know, we got to talk on the phone last week, and I was like, you know, we just need to come on and have this conversation.

00:38:02.000 We are going to get to what we plan to talk about, Joshua, which is this sort of taxonomy, as you refer to it, about.

00:38:09.000 The coalition as it stands.

00:38:11.000 But first, President Trump just sort of, you know, he called an audible over the weekend, attacks the Pope, Pope Leo, and then posts a now an infamous meme, an AI generated meme of him as Jesus.

00:38:26.000 He's denying that.

00:38:27.000 We now have clips of that.

00:38:29.000 So we will get into that in just a second.

00:38:32.000 But, you know, it's that standard outrage.

00:38:35.000 And by the way, I should say Blake is Catholic here.

00:38:37.000 So we're going to get his take on this as the.

00:38:40.000 Is the Catholic on the panel here?

00:38:43.000 But President Trump says he is, this was not what his plan was.

00:38:48.000 What clip is that?

00:38:50.000 By the way, I thought I had the clip ready to go.

00:38:52.000 He denies it.

00:38:52.000 He says he was a red cross.

00:38:54.000 It was a picture of him as a red cross trying to heal people.

00:38:56.000 Joshua, were you outraged?

00:38:58.000 Did you resonate with the outrage about his Jesus post?

00:39:02.000 Yeah, I mean, I saw some defenders, some Christian defenders jumping on.

00:39:09.000 And, you know, there's some good plan trusters out there.

00:39:12.000 I love the plan trusters.

00:39:13.000 And we'll get into that taxonomy we were talking about here in a minute.

00:39:17.000 But basically saying that, no, this wasn't Trump pretending to be Jesus, this wasn't him posting an image of him.

00:39:22.000 As the Messiah.

00:39:23.000 Ultimately, what, in fact, what they did is they actually pulled up a bunch of different pictures of popes dressed in that garb.

00:39:31.000 So basically, they were arguing that what he was actually doing was going to battle against the Pope.

00:39:35.000 He wasn't claiming to be Jesus.

00:39:37.000 Now, like the little powerful hands there that he's got in that photo, to me, it seems like that he is doing the comparison to our Messiah.

00:39:44.000 And I'll tell you what, when I first saw the picture, I just, I hated it.

00:39:49.000 I hated it so much.

00:39:50.000 I didn't like it at all.

00:39:52.000 It screamed blasphemy, honestly.

00:39:56.000 And here's the thing, though.

00:39:58.000 I take everything that Trump posts on social media with a grain of salt.

00:40:02.000 You know, I know that he's trolling, I know that he's messing around.

00:40:04.000 And here's the thing I know that, well, here's the thing.

00:40:08.000 I don't know Donald J. Trump's heart, but he does not strike me as the type of man who is in love with his Savior Jesus, the type of man who is in full submission to Jesus Christ and his law, who wakes up every morning and goes to the Word of God as his ultimate and infallible authority.

00:40:25.000 He doesn't strike me as that kind of guy.

00:40:27.000 So, I'm not necessarily expecting him to behave like a regenerate Christian. 0.72

00:40:30.000 This is the kind of thing that I would expect from, you know, like Trump is kind of a 90s Democrat, which in today's terms is, you know, you're a radical far right extremist because of the way the Overton window has shifted so much. 0.60

00:40:42.000 So, I don't know.

00:40:43.000 I saw it, I didn't like it.

00:40:45.000 And I think it's good for us as Christians to voice that and make it very clear that, hey, we are not going to accept blasphemy from our president.

00:40:54.000 Okay.

00:40:54.000 We're not going to accept that.

00:40:55.000 You need us.

00:40:56.000 Okay.

00:40:57.000 I'm very thankful for so many of the things that Trump has done.

00:41:01.000 In fact, I believe that he has done more for Christians than any other president in my lifetime, which he kind of outlined in his post where that picture originally came out.

00:41:09.000 So I can be thankful for that, but I can also call him to account and say, hey, this is not acceptable.

00:41:13.000 El Jefe, we do not want blasphemy on our X feeds from our civil magistrate, the highest civil magistrate in our land, the president of the United States.

00:41:24.000 So that's kind of where I'm at with this whole thing.

00:41:26.000 I think that's fair, Josh.

00:41:27.000 I'll let you follow up.

00:41:28.000 Yeah.

00:41:28.000 Now, see, this is the thing.

00:41:30.000 I wanted to bring you on this because I'm too close to it.

00:41:34.000 And I feel like I just, anytime Trump does stuff, I kind of just, I know what he's kind of getting at.

00:41:40.000 And I sometimes lose the outside enough perspective for it. 0.68

00:41:44.000 I just knew it was a troll. 0.94

00:41:45.000 You know, he trolled Muslims a little bit last week. 0.89

00:41:48.000 And he's even posted pictures of him dressed as the Pope.

00:41:51.000 Like, I just, to your point, I don't take it very seriously.

00:41:54.000 But I understand that a lot of people were upset.

00:41:58.000 And a lot of them were my friends.

00:42:00.000 And I should say that he took it down, and here is his, which is noteworthy.

00:42:04.000 He took it down.

00:42:05.000 Here's his response to it when asked by a reporter.

00:42:08.000 Yeah, SOT 21.

00:42:10.000 Mr. President, did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus Christ?

00:42:15.000 Well, it wasn't depicted.

00:42:16.000 It was me.

00:42:17.000 I did post it, and I thought it was me as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross as a Red Cross worker there, which we support.

00:42:25.000 And only the fake news could come up with that one.

00:42:28.000 So I just heard about it, and I said, how did they come up with that?

00:42:35.000 It's supposed to be me as a doctor making people better.

00:42:38.000 And I do make people better.

00:42:39.000 I make people a lot better.

00:42:42.000 All right.

00:42:42.000 So we could either take that or leave it, Blake.

00:42:45.000 I'm sure I kind of know where your head's at on that.

00:42:47.000 But I took it as him responding kind of as a slapback, clapback after his comments on the Pope.

00:42:56.000 So you're the Catholic here on the panel, Blake.

00:42:59.000 Tell us what your reaction was when he started going after the Pope.

00:43:02.000 What was your reaction to that?

00:43:04.000 Well, I mean, I don't think it's a secret.

00:43:07.000 The Pope has taken a lot of left wing sounding views on a lot of issues, which I'm frustrated with.

00:43:14.000 He just.

00:43:15.000 It's one thing for the Pope to say things that agree with progressives, but what's been annoying with this one is he does say them in ways that basically just sound indistinguishable from, let's just say it, like angry libs on the internet.

00:43:28.000 I mean, he says this about, I think he may have literally said, like, no human is illegal or something comparable to that on migration stuff.

00:43:36.000 He's planning to go to Lampedusa in the Mediterranean on the 4th of July, which is where a bunch of the migrants from Africa land while going into Europe.

00:43:45.000 We've had.

00:43:46.000 Bishops and cardinals coming out and saying, Yeah, the president's policies on immigration are bad because turnout at mass has gone down. 0.59

00:43:54.000 And it's like rational to ask, Okay, well, how many of those guys are telling any of their parishioners that they have a duty to obey the laws that tell them they shouldn't illegally be in America?

00:44:05.000 All of that is frustrating.

00:44:07.000 That said, the Pope is, he's the leader of a church with a billion people, whether he's a perfect one or not.

00:44:14.000 We've had a frustrating Pope before.

00:44:16.000 I don't think it's a person worth it.

00:44:18.000 I don't think it's.

00:44:20.000 I don't think it's becoming of a president to feud with the Pope.

00:44:24.000 It's not like he can ever face him in an election.

00:44:26.000 It's not like he can beat him in the midterms.

00:44:31.000 I just, I think the president is combative, but overall, I don't like it.

00:44:35.000 And on the first thing, I really don't like the post he made.

00:44:38.000 The president, I don't think, spends a lot of time contemplating religion, so he may not think much about what it looks like.

00:44:45.000 And the image was made by someone else.

00:44:46.000 It was made by, I believe it was made by Nick Adams, who's kind of a colorful figure who likes posting stuff of that nature.

00:44:54.000 So I don't think he thought that hard about it.

00:44:56.000 I'm glad he did delete it.

00:44:58.000 But he, yeah, as you say, he shouldn't be doing that.

00:45:01.000 We should expect better of him.

00:45:03.000 We should not have a president who.

00:45:05.000 Gleefully blasphemes the faith of by far the vast majority of his supporters.

00:45:10.000 There was a post here by Matt Esteson.

00:45:14.000 I'm just giving attribution.

00:45:15.000 Somebody on X, he says, If you understand Trump, you know he's not saying he's Jesus or God.

00:45:19.000 He's passing on the overzealous adoration of whoever is in his fan base that creates the meme that says, See, people love me.

00:45:26.000 And he's not attuned to the sensibilities of Christians who actually read their Bibles.

00:45:30.000 Personally, I'd advise him to take it down and not do that again for his own good. 0.96

00:45:33.000 I think that's probably like the right read.

00:45:35.000 And, um, He took it down.

00:45:37.000 All right.

00:45:38.000 He took it down.

00:45:38.000 All right.

00:45:39.000 Joshua Haynes, we talked about this taxonomy of the base.

00:45:43.000 Okay.

00:45:43.000 So just lay it out for our audience.

00:45:47.000 I thought it was smart.

00:45:48.000 I think it helps us understand the dynamics that you're seeing play out in the coalition.

00:45:51.000 The floor is yours.

00:45:53.000 Okay.

00:45:53.000 Before I do that, can I add one little closing note on our discussion that we were just having?

00:46:01.000 Absolutely.

00:46:01.000 Okay.

00:46:02.000 So I'm your friendly neighborhood Christian nationalist.

00:46:06.000 And so I always want to go to the word.

00:46:07.000 We can, and then I'll.

00:46:09.000 Transition right into that taxonomy.

00:46:11.000 But I appreciate Donald Trump so much for all that he's done for Christians.

00:46:16.000 However, I want to issue this warning from scripture because you mentioned exactly what I have noticed as well, which is even his thought process may not have been blasphemy.

00:46:26.000 It was just people love me here.

00:46:28.000 I'm putting it out there.

00:46:29.000 They're praising me.

00:46:29.000 I'm putting it out there.

00:46:30.000 And so I want to read Acts chapter 12, verse 21.

00:46:34.000 On an appointed day, Herod.

00:46:37.000 Put on his royal robes, took his seat upon the throne, and delivered an oration to the people.

00:46:42.000 And the people were shouting, The voice of God, the voice of God, not a man.

00:46:46.000 Immediately, an angel of the Lord struck him down because he did not give glory to God, and he was eaten by worms and breathed his last.

00:46:55.000 Now, I read that because I really like Donald Trump, and I want him to, I want to see him in heaven.

00:47:00.000 I want to enjoy company with him in eternity.

00:47:04.000 And so, my hope and prayer for him is that he would hear this warning to see what happens whenever.

00:47:08.000 We try to soak up the glory for ourselves and we don't give it to our maker because honestly, I believe that the only way that we can heal our nation is not with Christless conservatism, but we must look to Jesus Christ and give glory and honor to him.

00:47:22.000 So that's that.

00:47:22.000 And then let me go ahead and lay out this taxonomy for you.

00:47:25.000 No, amen.

00:47:25.000 I love that.

00:47:26.000 I love that.

00:47:26.000 And it's spot on, Joshua.

00:47:28.000 It's spot on.

00:47:29.000 Awesome.

00:47:30.000 Okay.

00:47:30.000 So we were talking about this on the phone the other day.

00:47:33.000 And I'm kind of pulling from an episode of Orrin McIntyre's show that if you haven't checked him out, guys, he's awesome.

00:47:41.000 I really appreciate him and his guests.

00:47:43.000 They laid out a taxonomy that I'm going to kind of help.

00:47:47.000 Well, I've kind of aped it for myself and kind of been using it lately.

00:47:51.000 So, essentially, if we want to understand what's going on in the conservative movement, this conservative civil war, as it were, the podcast wars, it's helpful to have categories.

00:48:01.000 Now, they lay out a few categories.

00:48:04.000 I'm going to give them some different names just because I like it better.

00:48:06.000 So, basically, we've got the neocons, we've got the patriots or the plant and trusters.

00:48:13.000 And then we've got the dissidents.

00:48:16.000 And then we've got, well, they call them the maroons. 0.61

00:48:18.000 I'm going to call them the accelerationists. 0.98

00:48:20.000 For those of you who don't know, the term accelerationism is basically the idea that we are going to accelerate the tensions in our country so that it all comes crumbling down.

00:48:30.000 We burn it down so that we can rebuild something good and true from the ashes, right?

00:48:36.000 It's too broken.

00:48:37.000 Our system is too messed up.

00:48:38.000 It's too corrupt.

00:48:38.000 So we need to accelerate the process by which we destroy it.

00:48:41.000 So that's the accelerationists.

00:48:42.000 Now, what I would say is, That okay, and we can put people in those categories too.

00:48:47.000 Um, so people can kind of wrap their mind around it.

00:48:49.000 So the neocons that's your like your Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz types.

00:48:54.000 Uh, they're going to be super Zionists, very you know, they're going to be uh hawks, war hawks.

00:48:59.000 Um, and uh, they're going to be uh, yeah. 0.92

00:49:02.000 So we've got the neocons, then we've got the the patriots or the plan trusters.

00:49:07.000 And they are a very important part of coalition.

00:49:10.000 Now, what I would argue is that MAGA, the coalition that really got Trump elected, and really the coalition that is going to be the future of this country, if we're to have a future with light at the end of the tunnel anyway, it's going to be the plan trusters, the patriots, and the dissidents.

00:49:27.000 So, in the plan truster category, that would have been like Charlie Kirk.

00:49:30.000 He was a patriot down the line.

00:49:32.000 He was going to take what the president is doing and usually try to, not in a negative way, but spin everything in the positive light.

00:49:40.000 But that's not to lie to anybody.

00:49:41.000 It's essentially just to, yeah, keep everyone believing in the project and marching forward.

00:49:47.000 And that's actually really, really important in any political coalition.

00:49:50.000 So then you've got the dissidents.

00:49:52.000 And I would put like a Matt Walsh close to the dissident category, or even Tucker Carlson would be in that dissident category.

00:50:00.000 And they're the ones who are going to hold politicians' feet to the fire.

00:50:03.000 They're going to say, I voted for you, I'm supporting you, but you need to give me something in return.

00:50:10.000 We expect you.

00:50:11.000 To fulfill on your campaign promises.

00:50:14.000 And when you don't, we're going to let you know.

00:50:15.000 All right.

00:50:16.000 You told us that we weren't going into foreign wars.

00:50:19.000 You told us that we weren't going into endless wars in the Middle East.

00:50:23.000 And so we are going to hold you to that.

00:50:24.000 So that's kind of the dissidents.

00:50:26.000 They're not jumping off the Trump train entirely.

00:50:29.000 They are holding out hope, let's say, that they can, by holding their politicians or the administration's feet to the fire, they can kind of steer the administration.

00:50:40.000 And then you've got the accelerationists.

00:50:42.000 That would be like the Fuentes types, the ones who say it's all broken, it's all corrupt.

00:50:46.000 It's so bad that we literally have to vote for Democrats.

00:50:50.000 Okay.

00:50:51.000 Now, what I would say is what's going on right now is there is a concerted effort from both sides from the accelerationists on the far right and then the neocons, which are just basically classical liberals who, you know, the progressives want to drive our country off a cliff at 90 miles an hour.

00:51:09.000 The neocons want to go 35 miles an hour, but they're going to the same place.

00:51:13.000 They are both trying to peel.

00:51:16.000 The other two categories away from each other, even though those two middle categories that is the coalition that can save the country.

00:51:22.000 And I truly believe that.

00:51:23.000 So the neocons are telling all the patriots look, look, they're all betrayers, right?

00:51:28.000 Look at them.

00:51:29.000 They're all just like Candace Owens, right? 1.00

00:51:31.000 They're all just like all the Fuentes. 1.00

00:51:33.000 They want to label any dissident and they want to basically tie the Candace Owens noose around their neck and say it's just like they're just like them, but they're not just like them, right? 0.83

00:51:44.000 And so they're trying to peel them off and bring them over to the neocon side.

00:51:48.000 And I believe this is an op.

00:51:49.000 I believe that this is actually very intentionally being done because they know, the neocons know that if the patriots and the dissidents get together and form a coalition, that we could win.

00:51:59.000 We could actually win, but separate, we will lose to the neocons.

00:52:03.000 They have so much institutional power.

00:52:05.000 They have so much, yeah, institutional power, frankly, and money.

00:52:09.000 And yeah, so anyway, and then the accelerationists are doing the same thing on the other side.

00:52:13.000 They're telling the dissidents, like, look, Trump is bringing us into the foreign wars just like he said he wouldn't. 0.90

00:52:19.000 It's all corrupt. 0.99

00:52:20.000 We got to burn it down. 1.00

00:52:21.000 They're all Zionist chills. 1.00

00:52:22.000 We got to burn it all down. 1.00

00:52:23.000 And so, really, they're trying to pull the most important coalition apart.

00:52:26.000 And so, that's the taxonomy.

00:52:27.000 It's been really helpful.

00:52:29.000 I think this is really helpful just a structuring, a framing ideologically to understand that both sides want to sort of like.

00:52:38.000 Peel apart the center of the coalition.

00:52:41.000 And by the way, they want the Patriots, the plan trusters, which would be like a Michael Knowles, which would be, like you said, what Charlie, the role kind of Charlie played before, to be labeled as a neocon.

00:52:53.000 So when we actually trust a little bit and give President Trump a little leash, a little leeway to get stuff done in Iran, oh, you're a neocon, right?

00:53:02.000 Whereas the accelerationists want to peel off the Matt Walsh and see, like, hey, we told you so.

00:53:07.000 He's just going to get us embroiled in another foreign conflict.

00:53:11.000 The core remains the core, and it's super important.

00:53:13.000 And I think it's important to understand the motivations of each of the four different buckets that you laid out so you can understand the news as it's coming to you and you can kind of, you know, chew the meat and spit out the bones, as it were.

00:53:25.000 Blake, I haven't got you in on this thought.

00:53:28.000 This is new for you, but I don't know if you have thoughts on this.

00:53:32.000 I mean, nothing really too much to add.

00:53:34.000 I think he did lay it out very well.

00:53:35.000 Okay.

00:53:36.000 Well, fair enough.

00:53:37.000 Joshua Haynes, tell us where people can follow you and how they can check out your stuff.

00:53:44.000 Yeah, so Haymes underscore Joshua on X.

00:53:46.000 I have a lot of fun kind of throwing grenades on X, rhetorical grenades, of course.

00:53:51.000 And Reformation Red Pill is the name of my podcast.

00:53:54.000 And you can find me on YouTube, Instagram, all of the social medias.

00:53:58.000 TikTok has banned me once.

00:54:00.000 They'll probably ban me again, but I'll just keep going on there and getting banned again just because it's fun to go through that process again and again.

00:54:06.000 But yeah, you can follow me all over the socials.

00:54:08.000 No, you see, here's why I like this is why I like you, because I would put you in the dissident category.

00:54:17.000 I probably am right between dissident and patriot, depending on the issue.

00:54:21.000 And the truth is that our students are dissidents.

00:54:24.000 Okay.

00:54:24.000 A lot.

00:54:25.000 That's where the energy is.

00:54:27.000 And that's right.

00:54:28.000 And they have some good points, right?

00:54:29.000 Because students have been in their generation have been left out of incumbent financial processes, buying a home, getting married.

00:54:37.000 They're worried about their job, they're worried about AI.

00:54:39.000 So these things need to be addressed.

00:54:42.000 We need to make sure that the people with power actually have their feet held to the fire so that we get them addressed.

00:54:47.000 All right.

00:54:48.000 And Charlie was brilliant at navigating those and threading that needle.

00:54:52.000 And so I love that your voice is emerging as a strong voice out there.

00:54:55.000 Joshua Haynes, I wish I had more time, but we'll have you on again soon.

00:54:59.000 And you've been doing a little bit with Turning Point.

00:55:01.000 So God bless you, man.

00:55:02.000 We appreciate that as well.

00:55:03.000 All right.

00:55:04.000 God bless you guys too.

00:55:05.000 Thanks for having me on.

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00:56:13.000 I want to welcome to the show a guy that I have been following a lot online, and he's got a new book that is really, really timely and important, I believe.

00:56:20.000 And that's Nick Friedas.

00:56:22.000 His new book is called The Man Book.

00:56:25.000 The subtitle is important too. 0.97

00:56:27.000 A point by point guide to sucking it up and getting the job done.

00:56:31.000 Boy, if ever there was a message that the world and the country needed, this is the book.

00:56:37.000 All right, Nick, welcome back to the show.

00:56:39.000 It's good to see you.

00:56:40.000 Hey, thanks for having me on.

00:56:41.000 Great to see you guys as well.

00:56:42.000 Yeah, so, Nick, why this book?

00:56:44.000 Why now?

00:56:45.000 Well, I call it my why do I get stopped at the airport discussion.

00:56:50.000 And whenever I go to the airport and someone kind of recognizes me and they're gracious enough to come over and say something that they liked about maybe a real idea or some piece of content, I've noticed that a lot of it is surrounding this question of masculinity, of being a husband, being a father, being a soldier, all of those things.

00:57:09.000 And so I sat down, I was like, you know, I'm just going to write out some of the things that I've learned over, you know, 27 years of marriage, 22 years of being a father.

00:57:18.000 My time in special forces, being in the legislature.

00:57:22.000 And so it's kind of an eclectic book.

00:57:23.000 It's everything from how to successfully argue with your wife, which I stand by that title, by the way.

00:57:29.000 You can successfully argue with your wife, to kind of the difference between raising sons and daughters and the different things that they need from dad.

00:57:38.000 Two other things that are a little bit more lighthearted, like how to properly cook a steak.

00:57:42.000 Spoiler alert, anything above medium is just burnt and destroyed.

00:57:47.000 And other practical things too, like how to properly kick in a door.

00:57:51.000 Not just because it looks cool, because you never know when you might have to rescue a family member from a burning building.

00:57:55.000 And you want to make sure you do it right and look cool in the process.

00:57:58.000 So, a lot of these things I've learned again, a lot of them from doing the right thing, but a lot of them too from doing the wrong thing and learning from it.

00:58:06.000 Wait, what is the right way to kick in a door?

00:58:08.000 Yeah.

00:58:08.000 Oh, God.

00:58:09.000 Well, the first thing you got to do is make sure that the door actually swings in.

00:58:14.000 Nothing looks more ridiculous when you got it, when a door swings out and you kick it.

00:58:17.000 It's like you're going against it. 0.94

00:58:19.000 Right.

00:58:19.000 And then you want to hit it right by kind of where the base plate meets with the door, with the lock.

00:58:24.000 Plate meets with the door kind of just under the knob.

00:58:27.000 You want to kick it right there because that gives you the best way to actually break it at its weakest point and swing it open. 1.00

00:58:32.000 You kick in the middle of a door, especially one of these like you know hollow core doors, your legs are gonna go right through it and you're gonna look like a moron. 1.00

00:58:38.000 And that's what we want to avoid. 1.00

00:58:39.000 We want to avoid you looking like a moron. 1.00

00:58:41.000 I love it, man. 0.99

00:58:43.000 Okay, so so I was uh, I forget who we were talking about, Blake.

00:58:46.000 You'll remember.

00:58:47.000 I was saying that oh, it was uh, Jonathan Keeperman Lomez, and we're talking about the political side of what it means to be an adult, be a man.

00:58:56.000 And how much of our politics seems to, and you could take this into cultural commentary, you could take this into church debates, you could take this into all the different areas that you kind of delve into on your Instagram and your YouTube, which, by the way, are must follows, in my opinion.

00:59:11.000 I think you're doing a great job, Nick.

00:59:14.000 But it just feels like this infantilization of American discourse where we're getting, it's like the quality and the thoughtfulness of the debate is going down.

00:59:26.000 The quality of the and the thoughtfulness of our disagreements and the way we handle them are degrading, they're devolving, they're not getting more elevated.

00:59:34.000 And I just happen to think that a lot of people need to be called up higher.

00:59:38.000 We need to be calling people up to be an adult, to behave like an adult in public, to behave like an adult when you're a politician, when you're a congressman, when you're at the state level, like you've done in Virginia.

00:59:51.000 Am I wrong?

00:59:52.000 Is that sort of a core problem that you're noticing?

00:59:55.000 Yeah, there are five categories that I kind of talk about with masculinity.

00:59:59.000 That's the most important, which is your spiritual, your relationship with God.

01:00:02.000 It's where you get your identity, your sense of objective morality, objective truth.

01:00:07.000 But then there's also the emotional, the physical, the professional, and the intellectual.

01:00:11.000 And one of the things I tell guys in this book is that it's really important that as a man, you be seen as being capable of giving wise counsel.

01:00:18.000 It doesn't mean you need to be a subject matter expert in every topic, nobody can achieve that.

01:00:23.000 But if you want to be the sort of guy that your children think that they can go to and get wisdom, then you need to continue to develop yourself intellectually.

01:00:30.000 And one of the things that you do that with is critical thinking.

01:00:33.000 It's through argument, it's through debate, it's through not getting caught up in just ad hominem attacks or just screaming or yelling at people or insisting that we're going to do it this way because I said so.

01:00:43.000 The better job you can do explaining your positions, your values, your belief, the more likely, I mean, forget the random arguments you're going to have on X, right?

01:00:51.000 Those can be fun sometimes, they can be distracting other times.

01:00:54.000 I wanted to make sure that the things that I held the most dear in my life, I could properly explain to my kids, that I could teach them how to defend it, that I could answer tough questions that they might come home with.

01:01:04.000 And I always wanted them to see dad as a person that they knew was going to give them the truth, but was also going to be able to explain it in a way that made sense to them.

01:01:12.000 Because the goal is not to just tell them to believe what I believe because I say so.

01:01:16.000 The goal is to adequately equip your children so that when they leave your house, the beliefs that you handed to them are now theirs.

01:01:23.000 They believe in them not because dad said so, they believe in them because they're true.

01:01:26.000 And you're not going to be able to do that if you're engaging in the sort of debate that we see too much on social media these days, or it's just yell louder or make little quips or whatever it is.

01:01:36.000 You need to be intellectually rigorous in your pursuits if you're going to be the sort of man that other men and your children and your wife can trust.

01:01:43.000 Yeah.

01:01:43.000 And I love that on the cover of your book here, Nick, and apologies as I look down, but it's that you have flirt with your wife, make a stake, go to church, win a fight.

01:01:58.000 This doesn't seem very Christian here, Nick, but I actually disagree with what I just said.

01:02:02.000 But I would love for you to talk about that. 0.90

01:02:04.000 Yeah, choose a whiskey, run for office, and kick down a door.

01:02:09.000 Yeah, explain that because winning a fight, I think I was asked to sort of disavow President Trump as a podcast a couple months ago, and it was kind of about his more muscular tone and style.

01:02:21.000 Gosh, that debate has come back to the fore today with some of his comments about the Pope, about his Jesus meme, and all that stuff.

01:02:28.000 But explain that, why sometimes we misunderstand that masculine Christianity and sometimes the tendency is to feminize these things.

01:02:37.000 Well, no, we have this tendency in the West because we've elevated tolerance as like the chief ethic in our society.

01:02:44.000 We have this boy band vision of Jesus that we preach in our churches that is quite frankly, it's heretical.

01:02:49.000 It's not just incorrect, it is so incorrect as to be heresy.

01:02:53.000 Now, was Jesus kind and compassionate?

01:02:55.000 Absolutely.

01:02:56.000 But he was also incredibly capable.

01:03:01.000 And he was willing to use judicious violence when necessary.

01:03:04.000 When he went into the temple and he's throwing over tables and he's using a whip to kick people out, I guarantee you they were not thinking that was tolerant Jesus.

01:03:13.000 And yet he was still righteous in doing so.

01:03:15.000 Why?

01:03:16.000 Because of the reasoning behind it and because of who was actually the subject of his anger. 0.98

01:03:20.000 And so it's important for Christian men to understand that you have an obligation to be dangerous, not for your families, not toward the innocent, right? 0.93

01:03:29.000 But on their behalf. 0.78

01:03:31.000 You have an obligation to be able to protect and provide.

01:03:33.000 How are you able to effectively do that if you're not capable of being dangerous?

01:03:37.000 If you're the sort of man that can't win a fight, right, then that's the sort of man whose wife, whose children, whose community has to depend on other men to protect them. 0.98

01:03:47.000 And quite frankly, that's pathetic. 0.97

01:03:48.000 And you're not going to see that anywhere in the gospel. 0.95

01:03:51.000 Yeah, there's times when men are called to sacrifice, but they're called to sacrifice for something great, not because that's their only option.

01:03:58.000 They're called to sacrifice because they need to actually defend something that's worth defending.

01:04:03.000 And quite frankly, I think right now, young men are at a point where they're completely rejecting this woke feminist approach.

01:04:08.000 They do not buy the lie that masculinity is toxic.

01:04:11.000 But by the same token, they're not satisfied with this answer that you've got to be strong and bold so you can just get whatever you want.

01:04:18.000 Men want to be noble.

01:04:21.000 Why?

01:04:21.000 Because God put that on our hearts.

01:04:24.000 And in order to be noble, in order to be honorable, you want to work to develop yourself intellectually, emotionally, spiritually, and yes, physically.

01:04:32.000 You want to be physically capable of protecting the people that you love.

01:04:35.000 And so, this idea that to be a Christian is to be weak is, again, it's not just incorrect.

01:04:40.000 It's so incorrect as to be heretical, in my opinion.

01:04:42.000 Well, I think you're getting to the core here.

01:04:44.000 And Blake, feel free to chime in.

01:04:47.000 But the core here is that we see this with young men when they kind of give in to nihilism, this opt out culture.

01:04:56.000 Explain we just have about a minute and a half in this segment, but how do you talk to men when they're prone to opting out, the burn it all down vibe?

01:05:06.000 What is the key to getting them to re engage?

01:05:08.000 Well, the first thing I do is I admit to young men that they're actually dealing with a very unique point in history because never before in world history, even when things have been bad, have you seen this sort of assault on masculinity and the things that masculinity prizes.

01:05:21.000 But the only way to defeat that is to stand up and choose to be something else.

01:05:25.000 You have to choose to be the hard man in the weak times that will bring about the good times.

01:05:31.000 You have to choose to be that.

01:05:32.000 And the number one way that I have seen it throughout my life when things have been good, when things have been bad, is I don't get my identity in being a Green Beret.

01:05:39.000 I don't get my identity in being a business owner or a former member of the House of Delegates.

01:05:43.000 I get my identity in Christ.

01:05:45.000 And that way, when things are even bad, I understand it's bad.

01:05:48.000 I never expected to be anything else.

01:05:50.000 But I know who I serve.

01:05:51.000 I know what my purpose is.

01:05:52.000 And I see that reflected daily in the eyes of my wife and my children.

01:05:56.000 And that's what I want young men to embrace.

01:05:58.000 I want them to actually stand up and be the sort of men that God calls them to be because those are the sort of men that will save this country.

01:06:04.000 Yeah.

01:06:04.000 And we've got a tweet up from Charlie here.

01:06:07.000 He says For years, we let them wage war on masculinity and celebrate mental illness.

01:06:13.000 And then we wonder why our society is weak and feckless in the face of evil.

01:06:17.000 America needs more strong men and less men who think they're women if we want to survive as a nation.

01:06:24.000 You know, you sound a lot like him sometimes, Nick.

01:06:26.000 I think it's so important, Nick.

01:06:28.000 You've got millions of followers on social media.

01:06:31.000 You get to see the comments, especially on your YouTube and your Instagram.

01:06:35.000 By the way, I just totally recommend people check you out there because you drop these little reels, and I think the wisdom in there is profound.

01:06:42.000 It's oftentimes extraordinarily important.

01:06:45.000 So thank you for making the time to join us today, Nick.

01:06:48.000 The man book.

01:06:48.000 Okay.

01:06:49.000 So what I notice on college campuses, Nick, is that you've got a massive divide between. the women and the men. 0.95

01:07:00.000 The women have this kind of fem boss, like, you know, I deserve to be waited on and I'm a princess. 0.75

01:07:06.000 And then the men are like either the beta males that they're not attracted to or they're just opting out. 0.82

01:07:12.000 And there's just a massive tension amongst sexes right now.

01:07:15.000 What do you make of that and what's the solution? 0.97

01:07:17.000 Well, I think it's been intentional.

01:07:18.000 I think that at the same time that men have been lied to about who they really are, they've also lied to women about who they really are.

01:07:24.000 And if you track this back to Mark and everything else, it makes sense.

01:07:27.000 They want to disintegrate the family.

01:07:29.000 And in order to do that, you have to convince men and women there's something other than what they are.

01:07:33.000 And what's interesting is that they get lied to in two different directions.

01:07:37.000 So men get told you either need to be a weak beta male feminist or you need to be like a barbarian, right?

01:07:44.000 Just like be strong and powerful so you can get whatever you want.

01:07:47.000 When the Bible says no, you need to be strong and capable so you can be honorable and serve God and serve your family. 0.99

01:07:52.000 Well, what do they tell women? 0.57

01:07:54.000 They either tell women you've got to be like a super girl boss, feminist girl boss, I don't need no man, or they tell women you got to be this like 1950s housewife aesthetic.

01:08:05.000 Well, what does the Bible say?

01:08:06.000 The Bible says Proverbs 31. 0.66

01:08:09.000 The Bible says JL, right?

01:08:10.000 The Bible says, no, no, no.

01:08:12.000 You're supposed to be strong and capable and lift up and build your house and be entrepreneurial.

01:08:17.000 But you're doing this also in service to your, not just yourself, but to God, to your family, right?

01:08:23.000 Her children and husband will call her blessed.

01:08:26.000 So, once again, we get lied to in multiple different directions where scripture gives us very, very clear directives.

01:08:31.000 And what's amazing is when men and women actually stand up and they embrace those roles, they're far happier.

01:08:38.000 They're happier in their own individual lives.

01:08:40.000 They're happier in their marriages.

01:08:41.000 They're happier with their children because this stuff works.

01:08:45.000 Like, I believe in it.

01:08:46.000 My wife and I got married at 19 and 20.

01:08:48.000 We both came from houses of divorce.

01:08:50.000 I immediately was in the military, which is not the most conducive environment to marriage in general.

01:08:55.000 And yet, we've been strong this entire time.

01:08:58.000 Why?

01:08:58.000 It wasn't because we had everything modeled for us, and it wasn't because we did everything right every step of the way, but we believed what God said about who we were, both as a man and as a woman, and we believed in God who said we were as a married couple and then as parents.

01:09:12.000 And I just, the most beautiful thing about it is this.

01:09:16.000 God exponentially blesses faithful yet imperfect attempts.

01:09:19.000 He knows we're going to screw up.

01:09:21.000 He knows we're going to fall and trip from time to time.

01:09:23.000 But when we get back and we attempt to be faithful, he blesses that attempt.

01:09:27.000 And so I want men and women to both understand that the lies you've been told, regardless of what direction they come from, Right.

01:09:34.000 It's a perversion of the truth.

01:09:35.000 And what God says you are, when you really embrace who God says you are, that's where you actually find peace.

01:09:41.000 That's where you find joy.

01:09:42.000 That's where you find meaning.

01:09:44.000 And in a country which is having an identity crisis, it's where you find an identity that just does not let you down.

01:09:50.000 Yeah.

01:09:51.000 That's, that's a really good testimonial.

01:09:53.000 And I think, yeah, you said you got married 19 and 20.

01:09:57.000 I think similarly, one of my sisters got married at, I believe she just turned 21.

01:10:03.000 And I think that's, Worked out tremendously for them when you're building your life together.

01:10:08.000 But I guess, you know, the obvious follow up is what's your advice to, let's be frank, a lot of people like me, people who get into their 20s, their 30s, they're still not married, they aren't building from that base level at an early point.

01:10:22.000 I think a lot of people, they feel somewhat amiss if they're that far into it and they're not sure where to start building up.

01:10:31.000 I think part of it is making it a priority.

01:10:33.000 Like, if you've made up, like, I want to get married, then what I tell both men and women is you have to think about, okay, who do I want to marry?

01:10:41.000 What sort of person do I want to be married to?

01:10:43.000 Like, for me, it was like, I want to be married to a Christian woman that wants to be a wife, that wants to be a mother, that shares values, that is also ambitious in the things that we want to do as a married couple.

01:10:52.000 Okay, great.

01:10:53.000 If that's the template of who I want to marry, then I got to ask two questions. 0.92

01:10:56.000 The first question I got to ask is, would I be attractive to such a woman? 0.80

01:11:00.000 If the answer is no, if I'm lacking, well, then I need to work. 0.99

01:11:03.000 Right, I need to continue to work.

01:11:05.000 And then, two, where am I spending my time? 1.00

01:11:07.000 Am I actually putting myself in the proximity where such women are likely to be?

01:11:12.000 So, once I do those two things, once I'm continually working on being the sort of man that would attract that sort of woman, or whether or not someone is working to be the sort of woman that I would attract that sort of man, put yourself in proximity. 0.98

01:11:22.000 And then, the other thing, too, for young men out there, I think modern dating is garbage.

01:11:27.000 I think when you are actually looking for the sort of wife that you can build a whole family with, I think you need to be honest about your intentions and say, Look, I'm not here, I'm not going to try to play with your mind, your heart, or your body. 0.82

01:11:38.000 That's not my role.

01:11:38.000 What I want to do is, I want to find someone that I could build a family with.

01:11:42.000 And, you know, we've spent some time together.

01:11:44.000 I'm attracted to you.

01:11:45.000 I'd like to talk to you about that.

01:11:46.000 And you know what?

01:11:47.000 If, as we talk about what we look at our future lives like, as we talk about what you'd like to achieve, what I'd like to achieve, if we get excited about that conversation, great, let's continue it and see where this leads.

01:11:58.000 And if we don't, or if we discover that we have very, very different things in life, I'm not going to bug you anymore.

01:12:03.000 We're just going to agree that we're good friends.

01:12:04.000 We're not meant to be a married couple.

01:12:06.000 And what that does is, one, it relieves her the burden of being worried on whether or not you're going to, you know, Continue to pursue when she's not interested, but it also tells her what you're about as a man and you're not there to play games.

01:12:18.000 You're serious.

01:12:19.000 You're serious and you want to find your wife.

01:12:21.000 And I've seen this work firsthand for people.

01:12:23.000 And I think it's the direction we need to go.

01:12:25.000 We need to reject what the modern world says about dating, what it says about sex, what it says about all those things, and start actually embracing what works.

01:12:32.000 Nick, I'm going to throw a little bit of a curveball to you here.

01:12:35.000 What is your message?

01:12:36.000 And maybe it's not.

01:12:38.000 Author of the Man Book, really, really important.

01:12:40.000 Final question What do you say to those men that have given in to sort of I guess scapegoat culture, whether it's all about the Jews or they want to, the accelerationists, they want to burn it all down, vote Democrats so they can build up something more pure in this country.

01:12:55.000 They're disappointed with the GOP.

01:12:57.000 What is your message to them?

01:12:58.000 I don't know if it's a political question or if you want to take it spiritual, psychological.

01:13:03.000 Floor is yours last minute.

01:13:04.000 I think what it comes down to is that on some degree, on some level, they're going to have to recognize what they've done is they've surrendered.

01:13:11.000 And I get that it can be tough and it can be frustrating.

01:13:14.000 And there's a part of them that probably thinks, well, once it all burns down, then they'll miss me.

01:13:19.000 Then they'll wish that they had the things that I was trying to bring to society.

01:13:24.000 What I'm going to say is that never works out.

01:13:26.000 That never works out the way you think.

01:13:28.000 Accelerationism doesn't work out the way you think.

01:13:30.000 What we need is for more men to stand up and be an example.

01:13:33.000 Think about who you admire in your own circle.

01:13:36.000 Do you admire the people that just lay down and take it?

01:13:38.000 Do you admire the people that try to burn it down with you?

01:13:41.000 Or do you admire the people that stand up against all odds and fight?

01:13:45.000 Because it is the honorable and noble thing to do.

01:13:48.000 And that's what I think you need to reach for.

01:13:49.000 You need to reach for the honorable version of you that is fighting for that opportunity to serve God, to be able to serve your family, to serve your country.

01:13:57.000 Because those are the things that I think give us true meaning and purpose.

01:14:00.000 All this other stuff, it may feel good in the moment, but it ends up leaving you feel, it ends up, one of the worst forms of depression you can ever find is not when you are denied the things that you think you want or that you're owed.

01:14:11.000 The worst depression is when you actually get the things that you are striving for and you find out it leaves you empty.

01:14:17.000 Find your identity in Christ first and never doubt what your meaning and purpose is.

01:14:21.000 Nick Friedas, The Man Book.

01:14:23.000 Thank you for making the time.

01:14:24.000 Excellent.

01:14:25.000 My pleasure.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 13, 2026

The President vs. Pope + Blockade on Iran

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