The Charlie Kirk Show - The Prince of War with Erik Prince

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00:03:00.000 Hello, everybody.

00:03:01.000 A happy Memorial Day.

00:03:02.000 Special thank you and remembrance of all who passed away in the line of duty.

00:03:09.000 And it is a perfect guest today to talk about that and so much more.

00:03:13.000 An American patriot and also the co-founder of Unplugged Technologies, unplugged.com.

00:03:19.000 That is unplugged.com, Eric Prince.

00:03:23.000 Eric, welcome to the program.

00:03:24.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:03:25.000 Nice to see you.

00:03:26.000 Thank you.

00:03:26.000 So, Eric, why don't you briefly introduce yourself and your work?

00:03:31.000 Some people might know the name, Eric Prince from Blackwater.

00:03:35.000 Introduce yourself.

00:03:36.000 We have lots of time this hour, so please.

00:03:39.000 So, born and raised in Michigan and joined the Navy after college, became a SEAL, did that for a few years.

00:03:47.000 Got out earlier than I planned to because my father passed away and my wife got cancer.

00:03:53.000 And so, I got out to sort out the family farm, so to speak.

00:03:57.000 But that's really why I started Blackwater, which is a defense contractor.

00:03:59.000 It started as a training area.

00:04:04.000 SEAL teams have been using private facilities really since the late 70s, and no one had done it on an industrial scale.

00:04:10.000 And so, did that before long before there was a war on terror?

00:04:15.000 And really, the Navy was our first big customer after the USS coal was blown up.

00:04:22.000 We trained 100,000 sailors to defend their ships much more effectively than the guys did in Yemen and Aden when the ship got hit.

00:04:30.000 And then, of course, when 9-11 happened, our same special operations and DOD and CIA type customers needed help overseas, and we responded and we did it.

00:04:43.000 So, Eric, this is you know, we're remembering all who passed in the line of duty.

00:04:50.000 The last couple of decades, we've known nothing but almost permanent warfare.

00:04:54.000 At Blackwater, you tried to solve that through an efficient approach.

00:04:59.000 Just give us some idea of how defense contractors get fabulously wealthy while they're unable to even win a war.

00:05:08.000 Well, the Pentagon right now is a big bunch of really unhealthy incentives, and it incentivizes the vendors instead of doing burn-fixed price to try to bid something and be as efficient as you possibly love to do cost plus to add as much cost as they can to it so they can add more fee to what they charge the government.

00:05:28.000 And you basically have created a very unhealthy triumvirate of politicians which appropriate way too much money for the Pentagon, which spends way too much on defense contractor stuff.

00:05:42.000 And then, those defense contractors in turn hire an army of lobbyists in Washington, D.C. to pay politicians to repeat the cycle.

00:05:51.000 And that's why we haven't lost.

00:05:52.000 I did an article in IM 1776 Journal.

00:05:56.000 It was about, it's called 30, it's called Too Big to Win, and it's about 30 years of neocon military-industrial complex policy failure and why we have just not been able to finish on any of these conflicts, whether it's in Somalia or in the Balkans, anywhere for the global war on terror, Iraq, Afghanistan, of course, Syria.

00:06:18.000 And it's causing a systemic collapse in American credibility and deterrence.

00:06:23.000 And we need to do better.

00:06:25.000 That is exactly right.

00:06:26.000 Eric, the website is very important.

00:06:28.000 It is unplugged.com, unplugged.com.

00:06:32.000 Eric, I want to ask you about the Ukraine-Russian war that our government is funding via proxy.

00:06:38.000 You have a very important take on this.

00:06:41.000 Can Ukraine possibly win?

00:06:43.000 Can Ukraine push back Russian forces to the original Russian border?

00:06:46.000 Is that possible?

00:06:47.000 I suppose anything is possible.

00:06:49.000 The likelihood of that happening is below one quarter of 1%, I would say.

00:06:53.000 It's look, they're trying to out-conventional war the Russian bear.

00:06:57.000 It's not going to work.

00:06:59.000 The much-wanted offensive that they had thought about doing last summer was a complete disaster. 1.00

00:07:08.000 You know, the Russian generals are not complete idiots. 1.00

00:07:10.000 They know exactly where the Ukrainians are going to come, where the terrain is going to work. 1.00

00:07:15.000 And they prepared very significant defenses and they ate up all that high-dollar Western equipment.

00:07:21.000 The math alone of significantly superior Russian numbers is what it makes it one tough.

00:07:30.000 B, the industrial base of Russia, now supplemented by China, by North Korea, it also makes it very tough.

00:07:40.000 And so it's the administration, both in Washington and Kiev, should have settled this, should have sucked it up and let those eastern provinces go.

00:07:52.000 All they're doing right now is chewing up the next generations of Ukrainian men, wiping themselves out demographically. 1.00

00:07:59.000 It's a troubled, an imperfect peace is better than a sparkly war. 0.95

00:08:08.000 And as the fields dry and it really becomes tank season in Ukraine, because farm fields that are wet, having been snowed and then rained on, very muddy, gooey, very difficult to maneuver.

00:08:20.000 But as all that stuff dries, it gives the attackers significantly more options to attack and they're doing so.

00:08:28.000 And so I suspect the Biden administration is going to try hard to miraculously settle something by summer, by the end of August.

00:08:38.000 Probably I can see a kind of a Hail Mary of some ceasefire coming out of the Olympics in Paris.

00:08:49.000 And I can even see them trying to settle something by the Democratic Convention, which I think is around August 12th.

00:08:56.000 That's what.

00:08:57.000 So, but I mean, settle.

00:08:58.000 I mean, obviously, I don't think that we ever should have been involved in the war.

00:09:01.000 And I think that it's done nothing but enrich a bunch of warmongers.

00:09:04.000 But let me get this straight: that the settlement would be actually less land for Ukraine than the original offer when Tony Blinken and Boris Johnson blew it up.

00:09:15.000 Can you tell us?

00:09:16.000 Can you add some detail there, please?

00:09:17.000 Yeah, what you're talking about was a deal on the table in September of 2022, almost two years ago, where it would have frozen the lines.

00:09:29.000 But now the Russians are actually going to gain additional territory this summer.

00:09:36.000 I think they'll take Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporozhia.

00:09:43.000 And Crimea, they already fully control. 0.72

00:09:47.000 Really, for Ukraine, they need to hold on to Odessa because they're hard to be viable as a country without an ability for them to export grain or coal or anything else that they're producing there.

00:09:59.000 So it's a tough time for them.

00:10:04.000 But again, it's not the taxpayer of the United States' responsibility.

00:10:08.000 It is certainly not our troops' responsibility to go and fight that war.

00:10:13.000 Not when we have as many border problems as we have in America, do we need to be worried about plus or minus 50 or 100 miles of somebody else's border in Eastern Europe?

00:10:23.000 Just imagine if there was Russian presence in Nueva León, like the province where Monterey, Mexico is, if there was significant Russian presence there, we would not take kindly to that either. 0.90

00:10:38.000 No, not at all.

00:10:39.000 And so help me understand this.

00:10:41.000 Victoria Newland and Mike Johnson echoed this, saying that we should bomb the interior of Russia, that the United States should now bomb Russian targets on Russian soil.

00:10:53.000 If we were to help facilitate that, what would that possibly mean?

00:10:57.000 What would that look like?

00:10:58.000 Well, look, if the U.S. is actually striking targets, that's a long war.

00:11:04.000 And that can escalate to not just conventional war, but nuclear war shockingly quickly.

00:11:10.000 We do not want a war with Russia, especially not over Ukraine.

00:11:17.000 The Russians were very, very specific about this, where their red lines were.

00:11:23.000 And the neocon class, the Unit Party in Washington just kept pushing and pushing and prodding.

00:11:31.000 And this whole thing was so unnecessary.

00:11:36.000 I think what Johnson was talking about was giving the Ukrainians some very high-dollar U.S. weapons that could strike additional targets deep inside Russia.

00:11:46.000 And again, the Russians are not going to take kindly to that kind of escalation either.

00:11:51.000 I think it's really an act of desperation by the U.S. to try to be doing this now.

00:11:57.000 I actually offered, I talk about it in the article.

00:12:03.000 My sources were telling me the Russians were going to invade.

00:12:08.000 And I knew that by November, December of 2021.

00:12:11.000 So about two, three months before they did.

00:12:14.000 And I recommended, I wrote a paper, gave it to the administration with my name removed so they can't play the I Hate Eric Prince card.

00:12:21.000 And because there was already 200 U.S. combat aircraft set to be retired in 2022, which means flown to the desert, the boneyard out in Davis-Monthan Air Force Base and parked for eternity at zero dollar value to the taxpayer.

00:12:35.000 They said, look, look, you can do two things.

00:12:37.000 You can announce that NATO, that Ukraine will never be part of NATO.

00:12:41.000 Fine.

00:12:42.000 It's a red line issue for the Russians, but they're going to have an air force.

00:12:45.000 They're going to have the means to defend themselves.

00:12:48.000 Just like the destroyers and tanks and firearms that we provided to the Brits in 1940 and Lend-Lease, kind of a model almost like the Flying Tigers when we helped, when a private company helped the nationalist Chinese defend themselves against the Imperial Japanese Air Force from bombing the hell out of their cities.

00:13:07.000 It would have been novel, historical, as in with historical precedents.

00:13:13.000 And I think it would have worked because an additional, so there is 50 F-15s, 50 F-16s, and 40-some A-10s, all that was built to destroy Russian armor.

00:13:26.000 I think it would have been enough to deter a war, which would have been significantly, significant savings in lives and in wealth.

00:13:38.000 Because again, all this money we're providing them is not even real money.

00:13:41.000 We're just piling on more and more debt.

00:13:44.000 You wonder why you're paying more for food and everything else in the United States?

00:13:47.000 It's because of the inflation of a completely runaway government, in many ways aided by the unit party of Republican leadership that is completely in hockey with an overspending Democrat Party.

00:14:01.000 I want to play Cut 139 here.

00:14:03.000 And then after, Eric, about a minute reaction here, let's play Cut 139.

00:14:07.000 It's Victoria Newland saying strikes inside of Russia are fair game. 0.78

00:14:11.000 They need to be able to stop these Russian attacks that are coming from bases inside Russia.

00:14:18.000 So I think there's also a question of whether we, the United States and our allies, ought to give them more help in hitting Russian bases, which heretofore we've not been willing to do. 0.62

00:14:28.000 I think if the attacks are coming directly from over the line in Russia, that those bases ought to be fair game, whether they are where missiles are being launched from or where they are where troops are being supplied from.

00:14:40.000 I think it's time for that because Russia has obviously escalated this war.

00:14:45.000 Mike Johnson agrees with her, and he has seconded that.

00:14:48.000 Joe Biden has said, no, that's too much of an escalation, actually.

00:14:52.000 Eric, your reaction to Victoria Newland, where she says the interior of Russia is now fair game.

00:14:56.000 Look, these neocon warmongers that constantly want to endanger America and especially American troops need to have their children serve and actually put skin in the game.

00:15:11.000 From them pontificating from their keyboards in Washington, D.C. is wrong.

00:15:16.000 And that's why we've had so many wars that have lasted so long without ever finishing to the betterment of America.

00:15:25.000 You think back to the Roman Empire when they had 80,000 people lost, men lost at the Battle of Cannae, one of their biggest losses.

00:15:36.000 When the Senate rejoined two weeks later, it was 40% understaffed because back then the elites led from the front and they fought with the troops.

00:15:46.000 And that's the problem. 0.96

00:15:46.000 We have this detached elitist class living in a bubble in Washington, D.C., spending limitless amounts of money, making really stupid decisions without any skin in the game, never having to suffer consequences of their bad decisions. 0.96

00:16:00.000 And it's wrong, and that needs to change. 0.99

00:16:03.000 Elections have consequences, and this toilet needs to be flushed.

00:16:06.000 Without a doubt, it is Memorial Day.

00:16:07.000 We remember all those who served.

00:16:09.000 Eric, can you just add some insight into how unnecessary the last chapter of Afghanistan was?

00:16:16.000 You had a plan to go and win in Afghanistan with less troops, less money.

00:16:21.000 Tell our audience about it.

00:16:23.000 So Steve Bannon had contacted me in the spring of 2017 and he said, listen, there's going to finally be a policy debate about what we're doing in Afghanistan.

00:16:33.000 Write something.

00:16:34.000 Make a plan.

00:16:35.000 So I did.

00:16:36.000 I wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

00:16:38.000 I wrote it for an audience of one.

00:16:40.000 President Trump read it sitting at the Oval Office decks.

00:16:42.000 He circled it.

00:16:43.000 He called in the National Security Advisor, H.R. McMaster, a very much a Beltway thinking guy.

00:16:51.000 I take nothing away from his service, but he was a three-star armor officer who wanted a four-star.

00:16:55.000 So he wasn't going to do anything contrary to what the Pentagon wanted.

00:16:58.000 But what we ended up offering was just a rationalization and a stay-behind package that would have cost 5% of what the U.S. had been spending.

00:17:07.000 Because at that point, there was still 15,000 troops in the country.

00:17:11.000 So I would have said, all right, you can leave a 1,500-man special operations element there, basically a counter-terrorism strike force.

00:17:19.000 There were 29,000 contractors in country, and we'd have taken that number down to 6,000.

00:17:25.000 And basically, what would have stayed behind was a skeletal support staff to live with, train with, and fight alongside the Afghan forces that were worth preserving, some manpower to actually staff and run the aircraft to fly them properly.

00:17:40.000 And then we'd have taken over the Afghan military's logistics system because that's where all the corruption was. 1.00

00:17:48.000 The food, the fuel, the pay, the ammunition, the parts provide that in a small, cost-effective, reliable way.

00:17:56.000 And that program would have cost less than a quarter of what Congress even ended up spending on resettling Afghan refugees from the total debacle of us of a class. 0.99

00:18:11.000 What would the price tag have been?

00:18:12.000 Three and a half B for the first year.

00:18:14.000 Three and a half billion to win the war.

00:18:16.000 And what, we spent probably upwards of a trillion total in Afghanistan, maybe even more?

00:18:23.000 We spent a trillion and we're on the hook for another trillion dollars in healthcare costs for the next for the next 40 years.

00:18:29.000 The peak healthcare costs for World War II, World War II, were not even experienced until the 1980s.

00:18:35.000 So we're paying a lot of health care for a long time, and we should for veterans that have done their part.

00:18:41.000 But again, this is these never war, these never-ending wars run by people that are not serious cannot be done again.

00:18:48.000 Do they actually want to win, Eric, or is there some other alternative here?

00:18:52.000 Other motive, I mean?

00:18:54.000 I think that part of the incentive of big defense, there's now kind of a cartel of five super major defense contractors that produce almost everything for the DOD.

00:19:06.000 And it costs a multiple of three to five times what it should cost.

00:19:12.000 So that, like I said at the beginning, it starts a very negative circle of incentives of more spending.

00:19:18.000 And then you have very risk-averse bureaucrats, and no one wants to be decisive.

00:19:22.000 You know, there's no patent-like attitude of we win, you lose, you know, lead, follower, get the hell out of the way.

00:19:29.000 That's that's right.

00:19:30.000 Those kind of architects are drummed out of the military.

00:19:33.000 Exactly.

00:19:33.000 That was Patton's favorite quote, and they took care of him, didn't they?

00:19:37.000 So, Eric, I have here an Apple iPhone.

00:19:40.000 I'm one of the, I'll admit it, I'm part of the problem.

00:19:43.000 So tell me, I am a privacy hawk.

00:19:47.000 I thought that it was close to constitutional betrayal that Mike Johnson and Republicans passed the FISA bill.

00:19:56.000 You can agree or disagree with that on Eric.

00:19:57.000 I'm guessing you agree.

00:19:59.000 Why should I get the unplugged phone?

00:20:02.000 Why is this phone not a smart decision for Charlie Kirk, who loves privacy and is under constant attack from the regime?

00:20:09.000 The amount of data that private vendors that were collecting it or advertising, really before smartphones, started to make available to the government.

00:20:19.000 And then the government had a program called Total Informational Awareness, which ended up getting shut down, supposedly, by some privacy advocates in Congress.

00:20:31.000 But nothing was shut down.

00:20:32.000 It just went to the NSA, which funded all the programs for a massive data collection.

00:20:39.000 And then at the same time, the private sector starts collecting all of this data that starts coming off of smartphones.

00:20:45.000 And so really, they create an entire industry called surveillance capitalism, which allows everything that comes off your phone.

00:20:55.000 And so there's an advertising ID that's built into the code of your iPhone or Google mobile services, which runs on every Android.

00:21:03.000 And that ad ID interacts with all the apps and it serves to collect where you go, what you buy, who you call, what you browse.

00:21:11.000 It can turn on the microphone, the camera, the GPS of that phone, and it just gives constant electronic exhaust.

00:21:19.000 We actually did a comparison between our unplugged phone and the other two guys' competitive products.

00:21:26.000 And the other guys' phone seemed to wake up in the middle of the night and start sending up to 50 megabytes of data in the middle of the night, like 2, 3 a.m.

00:21:35.000 They're kind of phoning home to the mothership, telling reporting on all you've done for the day.

00:21:40.000 I've had so many people I've talked to say that, yes, they can relate to this problem because they actually were talking to their wife in the bedroom about needing a new mattress.

00:21:52.000 And the next day they're getting advertising for a new mattress, which means their phone was listening to them in the bedroom.

00:21:57.000 Imagine the ramifications of that.

00:22:01.000 So this phone, the unplugged phone, was built as a response really after the 2020 election and all the nonsense around big tech censoring certain voices, throwing people off app stores.

00:22:13.000 And we had a tech team together already that just said to hell with this, we're not going to change big tech by complaining about it or whining.

00:22:19.000 We have to compete.

00:22:20.000 And so we built a completely independent phone platform outside of the Google and Apple universe that is, it's our hardware, our operating system, and it has no advertising ID and it blocks your apps sitting on your phone from collecting and exporting any of your personal data.

00:22:38.000 This phone actually has a privacy center, which is effectively a firewall, hard settings where you can block off the Bluetooth or the Wi-Fi or the camera or the microphone or whatever it is.

00:22:50.000 And the default of this phone is no.

00:22:53.000 And you have to go through all kinds of settings, which allow an app if you're going to share your position, if you're trying to navigate.

00:23:01.000 But then when you turn it back off, it's really off.

00:23:04.000 The problem with your iPhone or your Google mobile services phone is even if you turn it to airplane mode or if you're trying to turn it off, it's still on.

00:23:13.000 It's still pinging towers.

00:23:14.000 It's still trying to hit Wi-Fi, building a digital breadcrumb trail, constantly collecting data on you because that is their model, because that's how they use it to build a very, very specific electronic data detail on you so they can pinpoint advertising and sell it more, to sell you more effectively.

00:23:36.000 Remember, if you're not paying for something, you're not the customer, you're the product.

00:23:39.000 And so, this surveillance capitalism model has allowed big tech to aggregate the comings and goings of everyone in America.

00:23:48.000 And we decided to do something about it to make that stop.

00:23:51.000 A little kid, by the time they reach the age of 13 in America, has had 72 million data points collected on them by big tech.

00:24:00.000 So, in an era of AI, that gets pretty scary.

00:24:03.000 And so, this phone prevents that.

00:24:06.000 And so, going to FISA, this massive FISA extension, which never should have been passed, is basically the Bureau and the federal agencies got sick of being a little, you know, beaten up when they go to Congress for buying all this consumer data from big tech.

00:24:23.000 So, now they passed a law, passed by a lot of Republicans, even, that not only do they not have to get a warrant, they can go to any company that has any of your consumer digital data and they can order it be turned over without a warrant and without probable cause.

00:24:38.000 Basically, if any federal agency, any hyper-partisan federal agent wants to do a phishing, a deep dive on you, just as a phishing expedition, they can.

00:24:53.000 And so, they can literally dig into every aspect of your life.

00:24:57.000 Again, where you go, what you buy, who you call, what you browse.

00:25:01.000 And it's a level of intelligence collection that even the Stasi, the most effective, scary communist-era surveillance state security apparatus in East Germany, this allows big tech and our government to collect a thousand times more data than they ever could.

00:25:22.000 And it's really frightening.

00:25:24.000 So, the unplugged.

00:25:24.000 So, it's unplugged.com.

00:25:27.000 You think there's a special code for our audience?

00:25:29.000 Is that right, Eric?

00:25:30.000 Charlie Kirk.

00:25:31.000 Charlie Kirk.

00:25:32.000 Unplugged.com.

00:25:32.000 That's easy.

00:25:32.000 I like it.

00:25:34.000 I'm getting one.

00:25:35.000 So, Eric, let me first just emphasize the new FISA bill.

00:25:40.000 Did it make it easier or harder for the government to harvest this intimate data?

00:25:46.000 Because if we're honest, this is not a phone.

00:25:50.000 This is now an attachment of our being.

00:25:53.000 I don't like that.

00:25:54.000 This is now, if you lock a 19-year-old turning point activist in a room without their phone, they'll start hitting the table almost compulsively.

00:26:03.000 It's almost part of, it's an extension of who they are.

00:26:07.000 The FISA bill, break it down for us.

00:26:11.000 Win, loss.

00:26:13.000 What's going on?

00:26:14.000 Oh, it's an extraordinary loss.

00:26:16.000 It is an egregious assault on the First and the Fourth Amendments.

00:26:21.000 If you think about the first four amendments of the Constitution, the first, right, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association.

00:26:26.000 The second amendment, we love, guarantees the first. 0.88

00:26:30.000 What was the third amendment?

00:26:31.000 It was about privacy.

00:26:33.000 It was to stop ordering soldiers, exactly.

00:26:37.000 And the fourth amendment was to prevent unlawful search of your stuff.

00:26:40.000 But now this FISA bill makes it possible for any federal agency to ask any of your personal data, your travel, your medicines, your voice notes, your pictures that you send, anything that can be turned over is now harvested and can be reviewed by a federal agent without any probable cause whatsoever.

00:27:05.000 Mark Zuckerberg paid $20 billion for WhatsApp.

00:27:08.000 Why?

00:27:10.000 Because it collects every bit of picture, voice note, video message that you pass through it, and it's analyzed to hyper-target you for advertising.

00:27:19.000 Now you just made that completely available to the federal government as well.

00:27:23.000 And so if you're comfortable with Mark Zuckerberg and Comey, the former FBI director or the current one, sitting on your nightstand listening to every bit of your conversations at night, that's what this is.

00:27:38.000 And that's what the unplugged phone prevents.

00:27:40.000 So, I love this, by the way.

00:27:42.000 Let me ask you a not-so-hypothetical.

00:27:44.000 So, we're doing a lot at Turning Point Action trying to get Donald Trump re-elected.

00:27:48.000 We have meetings where we talk about ballot chasing and what neighborhoods we're hitting.

00:27:52.000 If I sit in a room with Tyler Boyer, who is under indictment for being an alternate elector, so the government has probable cause, and I have my phone sitting right there on the table as I'm going through a strategy session talking about what neighborhoods and precincts is it conceivable that the government is listening and harvesting that private conversation?

00:28:13.000 Do we have evidence that such harvesting is occurring?

00:28:18.000 Well, we know that big tech is listening because that's their model of surveillance capitalism.

00:28:24.000 Because the apps that are sitting, those free apps that are sitting on your phone, that's part of their terms of service agreement that you agreed to when you downloaded that app.

00:28:32.000 Is yes, they're going to collect and own all that data.

00:28:35.000 And so, the fact that a company can do that means the government can do that without a warrant or without any probable cause.

00:28:42.000 So, yes, the answer is 100% yes.

00:28:45.000 Yeah, I mean, that's how you destroy political dissident movements: is that a bunch of people are sitting around a table and they're talking about ways to win an election, and big tech is harvesting and maybe sending it back to the New York Times or whatever.

00:28:59.000 It's unplugged.com.

00:29:00.000 Just from an entrepreneurial standpoint, Eric, this is an unbelievable accomplishment.

00:29:04.000 How are you able to even get the hardware?

00:29:06.000 It's a beautiful-looking phone, it works nice.

00:29:09.000 How is this possible?

00:29:10.000 I thought only a multi-trillion dollar company could do this.

00:29:14.000 Well, we decided to take on not one, but two multi-trillion-dollar companies because why not pick a fight?

00:29:20.000 But the phone is made in Indonesia at a Singaporean-run facility, and the whole supply chain for this comes not from China.

00:29:30.000 And it's our code, and it's our answer for free people to be able to communicate freely and securely because I think that's prerequisite to preserve our republic.

00:29:42.000 We have to be able to communicate.

00:29:44.000 In the next segment, we'll talk about our messenger, which is a secure, creates a secure encrypted tunnel.

00:29:51.000 This is what's so important: is that there's no way that the cell phone towers can access what is happening in the unplugged messenger.

00:30:04.000 And so, Eric is an entrepreneur, he is a problem solver.

00:30:08.000 I love it.

00:30:08.000 It's unplugged.com.

00:30:10.000 Use promo code Charlie Kirk.

00:30:11.000 I'm ordering one.

00:30:12.000 I'm getting one on the way here, Eric.

00:30:13.000 Help me understand.

00:30:14.000 I'm an Apple, I'm obsessed with Apple products.

00:30:18.000 I have my Apple laptop here.

00:30:20.000 How do I wean off of it?

00:30:21.000 You guys developed a beautiful product and also talk about the messenger, all the sorts of details there.

00:30:26.000 Eric Prince.

00:30:27.000 Look, Apple has their own store.

00:30:28.000 We have our own store.

00:30:30.000 We don't have as many apps as they do, but you can still get your music, your podcasts, your access to that kind of entertainment via Spotify or other streaming services.

00:30:45.000 You can navigate, you can bank, you can book your travel with it.

00:30:49.000 But look, Apple's built up a hell of an ecosystem to their credit, but they're making tens of billions of dollars for all this talk about Apple saying, oh, we're honoring privacy.

00:31:00.000 No, what they're doing is they're collecting all that user data now and they will sell it themselves.

00:31:05.000 That's why they predict in their financial reporting that their ad-based revenue is not going to grow to $30 and $40 billion a year, monetizing you.

00:31:16.000 $30 to $40 billion a year.

00:31:18.000 Do you keep any of the data unplugged?

00:31:19.000 I mean, where's your data cap?

00:31:22.000 No, so we make money by selling a phone.

00:31:26.000 And at month 13, you pay us $12 a month as a user fee because we're not collecting and selling your data.

00:31:33.000 Big tech sells about $180 worth of your data every year.

00:31:37.000 That's their recurring revenue model.

00:31:40.000 But we don't do that.

00:31:42.000 So we also sell the, you buy the phone for $989.

00:31:47.000 At month 13, you have to pay $12 a month.

00:31:50.000 And obviously, you have to buy sell data service for the phone from Patriot Mobile or from T-Mobile or ATT.

00:32:01.000 But that's all you need.

00:32:02.000 And with that comes a very, very potent VPN, which protects and encrypts your data if you connect to a Wi-Fi, a very secure messenger, and of course, our entire operating system in store.

00:32:13.000 An important thing about our messenger is when you generate a call, if you use an app-like Signal, it's pretty good, but you use the same key you got when you downloaded it.

00:32:23.000 When you make a call with unplugged, it takes a few seconds to connect because it's my handset connecting to your handset, and it's generating a new encrypted tunnel, a new encryption key every call.

00:32:34.000 And if someone takes your phone, can the FBI listen to that?

00:32:38.000 Sorry to interrupt.

00:32:39.000 Can the FBI listen to that?

00:32:40.000 Each message is encrypted with its unique encryption key.

00:32:44.000 And if some overzealous officer or criminal comes to you and says, give me your phone, I'm here to inspect your messages.

00:32:54.000 We have a dump feature called the Clear PIN Data Code, which you unlock the messenger with that code and it wipes it.

00:33:01.000 It wipes the hard resets the phone instantaneously.

00:33:04.000 So this phone is designed for free men to communicate freely and to protect themselves and to protect their very, very important First and Fourth Amendment rights.

00:33:14.000 Well, I love that.

00:33:15.000 And so the bad guys are mining data.

00:33:20.000 Why has no one ever done this before?

00:33:21.000 Is it just too big of an effort?

00:33:23.000 Just people thought it was a space that can't be disrupted.

00:33:25.000 And also, how is it going?

00:33:27.000 Are you guys selling phones?

00:33:29.000 We are selling phones like crazy.

00:33:31.000 We did 500 phones last fall as a beta test and let those move around the world to test.

00:33:37.000 It's a GSM-based, and our antennas work on everything from 2G, the most basic, up to, of course, 5G.

00:33:44.000 Very potent camera.

00:33:46.000 It's really comparable in speed, storage, camera quality to what the big guys are selling.

00:33:49.000 But the difference is this phone doesn't collect and export your data.

00:33:54.000 And we just got 10,000 units in, and we're about half through that inventory already.

00:33:58.000 And we're reordering soon.

00:34:00.000 So, yes, when you order a phone now, you'll have it in about two days.

00:34:05.000 I just, I love it.

00:34:06.000 I'm enthusiastically behind it, Eric.

00:34:08.000 Okay, Eric, let's just summarize this.

00:34:10.000 Unplugged.com.

00:34:12.000 Also, anything else you're working on?

00:34:13.000 Final messages here on Memorial Day.

00:34:16.000 Look, I just want to say on Memorial Day, it's not enough to say thank you to your service.

00:34:21.000 Thank you for your service to event.

00:34:23.000 You need to demand better performance from our politicians.

00:34:26.000 That the people that go out and sacrifice blood and treasure and their health, their best years of their lives to serve their country, we deserve, they deserve from us our devotion to get them better leadership.

00:34:42.000 So that they're going to be sent into battle, that they're there to win.

00:34:45.000 We leave the lawyers at home and we stop this endless loop of insanity of half-assed measures of going to war.

00:34:52.000 I couldn't agree more.

00:34:53.000 Our best in our country deserve better than these craven politicians.

00:34:57.000 Eric, God bless you for your great service and your leadership.

00:35:00.000 It is unplugged.com promo code Charlie Kirk.

00:35:02.000 Eric, thanks so much.

00:35:03.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:35:04.000 Everybody, email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:06.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 27, 2024

The Prince of War with Erik Prince

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