The Charlie Kirk Show - The Queering of the American Child

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00:00:11.000 We talk about the queering of the American child, his new book. 0.57

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00:00:17.000 Where does this come from?

00:00:18.000 What is queer theory?

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00:01:58.000 Joining us, one of my favorite people, not just in politics, just favorite people.

00:02:02.000 He's a good man and ridiculously smart, James Lindsay.

00:02:05.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:02:06.000 James, I think you've come on the show 30, 40, 50 times now.

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00:02:11.000 Yeah, I know.

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00:02:14.000 So, so much to talk about.

00:02:16.000 I want to talk about your book, The Queering of the American Mind.

00:02:20.000 Child.

00:02:21.000 Is that a playoff of the kind of playing off of, you know, there's a lot of different things, but, you know, what is it called?

00:02:30.000 The Heterodox Academy.

00:02:32.000 No, no, no, there's a book that's the something of the American Mind.

00:02:35.000 Yeah, no, the closing of the American.

00:02:37.000 The closing of the American Mind.

00:02:38.000 Yeah.

00:02:38.000 Yeah, I'm playing off of that, but the title is The Queering of the American Child.

00:02:43.000 And it explores queer theory in education primarily.

00:02:47.000 How it got in it, what it is, how it works, and why it targets children.

00:02:51.000 That's an interesting cover.

00:02:53.000 Yeah, isn't it?

00:02:53.000 I love it.

00:02:54.000 So it almost looks like there's two bites out of the apple.

00:02:57.000 Is that right?

00:02:57.000 It's a big bite.

00:02:58.000 I don't know.

00:02:59.000 We'll have to ask.

00:02:59.000 So for those on podcast and on radio, what are we looking at?

00:03:03.000 So what you're looking at is a picture of the cover of the book.

00:03:06.000 It's a beautiful white cover with the title, but then there's a picture of an apple, right, dead center that has a big giant bite, or maybe two.

00:03:14.000 We can talk about Herbert if you want.

00:03:16.000 There's some handsome imagery.

00:03:18.000 Inside the apple, instead of it being the white flesh of an apple, is the pride flag.

00:03:22.000 So they're taking a bite of the fruit and getting why do you choose that as the cover?

00:03:29.000 We actually rely on the metaphor in the book quite a bit because the way that the book frames it, the first line of the book is in fact that our schools are in the grip of a religious cult.

00:03:39.000 We don't pull any punches at all in labeling queer theory as the doctrine of a religious cult. 0.94

00:03:44.000 It's a sex-based cult.

00:03:46.000 It targets children primarily. 0.90

00:03:47.000 And then we also clarify that it has very little to do with gay people.

00:03:50.000 But we want people to understand that they are trying to hold out the fruit to get the kids to bite the fruit, to bring them into a cult through identity crisis.

00:03:58.000 So can you build out the difference between what you mean by difference between queering and gay people?

00:04:02.000 What do you mean by that?

00:04:03.000 Yeah, okay, so queer theory is its own doctrine. 0.84

00:04:07.000 It developed mostly through the 80s and 90s out of what's called sex positive radical feminism with some other influences, the sexology of Kinsey, some of the weird gender stuff of money, of John Money.

00:04:19.000 But primarily it came out of sex positive radical feminism, looking for a new way to think about sex, gender, sexuality primarily.

00:04:26.000 But what it is, it got defined by a guy, David Halperin, in a book called Saint Foucault, trying to turn, trying to canonize Michelle Foucault.

00:04:36.000 Yeah, the pedophile, the French postmodern philosopher, and the father of queer theory, really, trying to turn him into a saint. 0.81

00:04:42.000 And so it gets its first definition, the word queer does, in the technical sense, in that book.

00:04:47.000 And the first three words of the paragraph where it gets defined is unlike gay identity.

00:04:52.000 And he says the reason, I won't go into the technical language, which I kind of have memorized, but what he says that's different is that whatever, whether it's a choice or whether it's something more innate, and he actually opens the door that it could be either.

00:05:03.000 Gay identity is rooted in reality.

00:05:06.000 But queer, he says, is not rooted in any positive truth or any stable reality, and it refers to nothing in particular.

00:05:14.000 He says it's an identity without an essence, not based in truth, not based in reality.

00:05:18.000 And then he says what it is, is that it takes on its meaning in a political position that is intrinsically opposed to, and he gives three things, the normal, the legitimate, and the dominant.

00:05:30.000 So you can't be queer. 1.00

00:05:32.000 You can only act queer. 1.00

00:05:34.000 You can only perform queerness. 0.97

00:05:36.000 And so gay people who act like normal everyday citizens are not queer, and they're hated by the queer theory. 0.51

00:05:41.000 So, but James, how dare you use the word normal? 0.56

00:05:44.000 That's the problem.

00:05:45.000 Normal is actually considered to be evil.

00:05:49.000 For the people in the audience that aren't tracking, what do I mean by that?

00:05:53.000 Normal is an aggressive insult.

00:05:58.000 That's right.

00:05:58.000 Normal is the big, well, normal and legitimate are the two big bads, right, that queer theory is against.

00:06:04.000 Yes.

00:06:04.000 So truth, that's legitimate, so it's against that.

00:06:06.000 But normal means in accordance with norms, meaning that it's what appears on average, what we consider to be within healthy boundaries.

00:06:14.000 And they want to, the word is as a verb, to queer those boundaries so that they no longer exist, to take children in particular, but all people outside of them.

00:06:23.000 But as we've talked about before, it's intrinsically, truly occult.

00:06:28.000 And how is it intrinsically occult?

00:06:30.000 They believe that all people, it's a Gnostic cult. 0.98

00:06:32.000 We've used the word Gnostic.

00:06:33.000 And I want to go through that again.

00:06:34.000 It's so good.

00:06:35.000 It's so good.

00:06:36.000 And what they believe is that all people are intrinsically queer, but they don't know it because they've had normalcy imposed on them through social production.

00:06:43.000 They've gone to school, they've had parents, they have a sex assigned at birth by a doctor, and everybody has to live according to their sex assigned at birth.

00:06:50.000 They have to live as heterosexuals. 0.98

00:06:52.000 They're forced, socialized to be normal in those regards. 0.88

00:06:56.000 They're not supposed to be mentally ill.

00:06:58.000 They're supposed to try to keep their emotions under control, these sort of things.

00:07:02.000 And they say, well, all of that is a system of oppression that keeps people from being who they really are.

00:07:06.000 Queer theory is to awaken who they really are. 0.99

00:07:09.000 That's a cult identity.

00:07:10.000 And to activate them to go do the activism.

00:07:14.000 And let's take an example.

00:07:17.000 They think that it's okay if somebody really is attracted to children.

00:07:21.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:07:22.000 In fact, it's not just that they think it's okay.

00:07:24.000 It's an inevitable consequence of queer theory. 0.98

00:07:27.000 And it's from the very earliest writings, an intrinsic part of everything queer theory writes.

00:07:31.000 Gail Rubin in 1984 wrote a book, a paper, I should say, called Thinking Sex.

00:07:36.000 And she has an entire paragraph or two dedicated specifically to the intrinsic oppression of what she calls boy lovers.

00:07:44.000 And she holds up NAMBLA, which is what is it, the National Association of Man-Boy Love, really.

00:07:50.000 And she says that this is such a deep oppression that is written in 84, by 2000 or so, we would all be looking back on it, embarrassed that we were oppressing boy lovers, in her word.

00:08:02.000 And so pedophilia is right there inside.

00:08:04.000 Pedophilia, though, is also opposed to the normal and the legitimate, so it has to be valorized by queer theory. 1.00

00:08:10.000 So what you can say is that queer theory has a 100% chance of leading toward pedophilia. 0.98

00:08:14.000 It doesn't have to be done by pedophiles, but it has a 100% chance that pedophilia will be valorized by it.

00:08:20.000 And understand this, everybody in the audience.

00:08:22.000 Queer theory is not a fringe academic theory.

00:08:28.000 No, not at all.

00:08:29.000 It's in every school.

00:08:30.000 It's, well, I mean, look at the good Admiral Levine.

00:08:34.000 It's in every institution.

00:08:36.000 It's in our military.

00:08:37.000 It's in our schools.

00:08:39.000 It's in our universities.

00:08:40.000 It's in our workplaces.

00:08:42.000 We all saw what happened with Bud Light.

00:08:44.000 The reason is because the Human Rights Campaign publishes this number that's important to their ESG index.

00:08:49.000 That number is called their Corporate Equality Index, the CEI.

00:08:55.000 It asks you how queer activist your company is.

00:08:58.000 There's a healthcare equality index.

00:08:59.000 There's a municipal equality index for cities.

00:09:01.000 There's a state equality index where they rate all the states as how welcoming they are.

00:09:05.000 And you see states, including allegedly conservative states like Utah.

00:09:10.000 You know, there's controversially 10 years ago, it was like the homophobic state of the union or whatever.

00:09:15.000 Utah is competing to have a good idea.

00:09:19.000 Governor Spencer Cox, he, him.

00:09:21.000 That's very questionable, too, but that's a separate issue.

00:09:24.000 So for some people, they say, but what is the goal of queer theory?

00:09:30.000 To produce queer theorists. 0.96

00:09:32.000 It is to create activists out of children primarily, because children are a soft target.

00:09:36.000 They're vulnerable.

00:09:37.000 They are impressionable.

00:09:39.000 They haven't, to be more specific, they haven't developed cortically their frontal cortex of their brain.

00:09:45.000 So they'll believe fantasy and reality intermixed.

00:09:47.000 They don't have the ability to fully distinguish.

00:09:49.000 We often bring up that they believe in Santa Claus or that they believe in other fantastic ideas.

00:09:55.000 And they target children, and the goal is to make them queer activists, people who rebel and reject against the normal. 0.95

00:10:01.000 And the idea that being normal or being healthy, literally healthy, is a form of normalcy, is something that's being imposed upon them by an evil society that needs to be torn down.

00:10:11.000 So if we were to make a reference to, say, Mao Zedong in China, where he created... 0.92

00:10:16.000 You and I love studying Mao.

00:10:17.000 We have to, because that's what's happening here.

00:10:19.000 And he created out of the youth what he called the Red Guard, which is a very radical vanguard.

00:10:23.000 Six elements, right?

00:10:24.000 Or five or six mantras.

00:10:26.000 Oh, yeah.

00:10:27.000 They had these.

00:10:28.000 Good categories, bad core categories.

00:10:29.000 That's right.

00:10:30.000 The good and bad categories of people.

00:10:31.000 And so the Red Guard was a high school primarily in college, but also younger children.

00:10:37.000 Millions, tens of millions of these kids going around destroying property, bullying and sometimes killing their parents, turning their parents into the government, killing their teachers to try to transform China. 0.82

00:10:48.000 And it worked from 1966 to 1968.

00:10:50.000 And what queer theory is trying to build is a rainbow guard to dismantle America. 0.98

00:10:54.000 Name of the book again?

00:10:55.000 The Queering of the American Child. 0.67

00:10:57.000 And you've co-authored this with Logan Lansing, right?

00:11:00.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:11:01.000 The story real quick is that he sent me a manuscript he had written and said, hey, will you look this over and tell me if there's anything I can add to it?

00:11:07.000 Turns out I was on a flight.

00:11:08.000 I had some spare minutes.

00:11:10.000 So I opened it and I started reading.

00:11:11.000 I was like, holy cow, this is good.

00:11:13.000 Not only is it good, it's like, I can't write readable stuff, but he can.

00:11:18.000 Okay, so James, here's a question I have.

00:11:20.000 Is queer theory fundamentally nihilist?

00:11:23.000 Yeah, it's, I mean, by definition, it is whatever, and that's his words, exactly, David Halperin's words, defining queer the first time.

00:11:31.000 It is whatever is at odds with the normal, the legitimate, and the dominant.

00:11:36.000 So what does that mean?

00:11:37.000 Well, if you're trying to destroy legitimacy, you're nihilistic.

00:11:40.000 That's it.

00:11:41.000 That's end of story.

00:11:42.000 So there's not an open, it's not an open question.

00:11:44.000 It exists to spread itself and destroy everything.

00:11:47.000 That's right.

00:11:48.000 And it actually spreads itself like most cults do through trauma.

00:11:52.000 They actually are going around intentionally.

00:11:54.000 They're so smart.

00:11:55.000 Riff on that.

00:11:55.000 Go deep into that.

00:11:56.000 They intentionally injure children, mostly psychologically, of course.

00:12:00.000 It's not mostly.

00:12:01.000 I'm not saying that they're grabbing or groping.

00:12:03.000 Some are.

00:12:04.000 Some are, but that's not the primary.

00:12:06.000 So there's a queer educator that actually Logan Lansing introduced me to in this book named Kevin Kumashiro.

00:12:13.000 And he wrote a paper in 2002 called Against Repetition.

00:12:16.000 And in that paper, he actually says that the purpose of queer education is to lead children into an identity crisis, a personal emotional crisis by teaching them about their complicity and oppression, and then to structure the environment around them to lead them to productive resolutions of the emotional crisis.

00:12:33.000 Now, in the cult literature, that's called trauma bonding.

00:12:35.000 They put them under psychological or emotional or social circumstances.

00:12:40.000 Oh, yeah, it's not only intentional.

00:12:42.000 There's another couple of theorists.

00:12:44.000 They wrote a paper in 2019.

00:12:46.000 I'm trying to remember the name of the paper.

00:12:48.000 It has a cute name, but their names are Torres and Ferry.

00:12:51.000 And they wrote that for years and years, we, meaning queer theorists and social justice activists in education, have shied away from the word indoctrination.

00:13:01.000 We get accused that we're indoctrinating students.

00:13:03.000 We always shy away from it.

00:13:04.000 We try to play it off.

00:13:05.000 They say it's time for us to own it.

00:13:07.000 This is quote.

00:13:08.000 That is exactly what we're doing.

00:13:10.000 What do you say to the people that object and say you're just cherry-picking the most radical of the academic literature?

00:13:17.000 If I cherry-picked the most radical of queer theory, we couldn't say it on air.

00:13:22.000 I can't even talk about it.

00:13:24.000 So what you're doing is you're picking the kind of pioneers of the queer orthodoxy. 0.97

00:13:29.000 That's right. 0.93

00:13:29.000 You're not just going to some lunatic. 0.93

00:13:31.000 Yeah, Judith Butler, she's not a fringe character in queer theory. 0.87

00:13:35.000 Her body of work could be summarized in six words, which is that life is drag and drag is life.

00:13:40.000 In other words, none of us have an intrinsic sex identity, male or female.

00:13:45.000 We're all taught by society to perform our identity.

00:13:49.000 So if you're performing masculinity, you're still performing it.

00:13:51.000 If you're performing trans, then you're still performing it. 1.00

00:13:54.000 Everybody's doing drag all the time.

00:13:56.000 But what does that mean in terms of our Gnosticism?

00:13:58.000 That means the people who are doing drag on purpose have awakened to what they really are.

00:14:02.000 Everybody's actually a drag queen. 0.98

00:14:04.000 That's not a cherry picker.

00:14:06.000 Kevin Kumashiro's work was actually very influential.

00:14:08.000 I don't know how influential Taurus and Ferry were particularly.

00:14:11.000 So maybe that one's a little bit fringe.

00:14:13.000 But David Halperin's book, I can't even tell you how gross.

00:14:17.000 He's huge. 0.50

00:14:18.000 He defined queer in the same paragraph.

00:14:20.000 I'll use a very benign example because there's some stuff I cannot say on air where he glorifies sexual practices in that same book that I can't even talk about on air.

00:14:28.000 And you know, I'll talk about anything.

00:14:30.000 I can't even talk about it on air.

00:14:31.000 It's horrible.

00:14:32.000 In the same paragraph, like two sentences down from where he defines queer, he says it can refer to a lot of things.

00:14:37.000 It could refer to, for example, he says, married couples without children.

00:14:41.000 That's queer because they don't have kids, right? 1.00

00:14:42.000 And he said, or it could refer to married couples with children.

00:14:45.000 And then in italics, it actually says, in italics, very naughty children. 0.92

00:14:50.000 Everything in queer theory is gross. 0.98

00:14:54.000 Gail Rubin's defending boy lovers, intergenerational sexual relationships, she calls it. 0.99

00:14:59.000 She's defending kink in the workplace. 0.78

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00:15:57.000 So when they, when they, they look at the apple as eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

00:16:03.000 Yeah.

00:16:03.000 And you have that with the rainbow, the queering.

00:16:07.000 So do they, there's a word that is almost tattooed on my soul that you've used.

00:16:13.000 Yeah.

00:16:14.000 That bothers me.

00:16:15.000 Okay.

00:16:16.000 Not that you said it, but it's the word initiation.

00:16:19.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:21.000 So we're going to cherry pick again.

00:16:23.000 I'm not cherry picking.

00:16:24.000 No, no, no.

00:16:24.000 That's teasing.

00:16:25.000 This is for the record.

00:16:26.000 Yeah.

00:16:26.000 No, so another one of the foundational queer.

00:16:29.000 Take your time on this.

00:16:29.000 It's very important.

00:16:30.000 Yeah.

00:16:30.000 So one of the other foundational queer theorists is, I can always, I struggle to say the middle name.

00:16:36.000 Eve Kosovsky Sedgwick.

00:16:38.000 So you see the syllables all bang into each other there.

00:16:40.000 But anyway, I mean, that's not anything.

00:16:42.000 That's just her name.

00:16:43.000 But so she wrote a book in 90-ish, plus or minus two, I forget the exact year, called The Epistemology of the Closet, where she actually argues, it's one of the most Gnostic texts I've ever read in my life, that being in the closet confers a special understanding of the world upon you.

00:16:58.000 So the epistemology of being in the closet.

00:17:00.000 And she talks about...

00:17:00.000 What does epistemology mean?

00:17:01.000 Epistemology is an understanding of what we know and how we know it.

00:17:05.000 Thank you.

00:17:05.000 Continue.

00:17:05.000 Yeah.

00:17:06.000 And so the book is called The Epistemology of the Closet.

00:17:08.000 So being put in the closet forces you into a special kind of knowing.

00:17:13.000 And she starts talking about how queer theory is constructed around all of these binaries, male, female, straight, gay, and so on, right?

00:17:21.000 And that the binaries are actually constructions of power.

00:17:23.000 And the one that stuck out to me when I was reading this list, and there's about 30 of them in her list, and she explores most of them through the text, is innocence versus initiation is a binary.

00:17:35.000 So children are innocent.

00:17:37.000 We would say that they're naturally innocent.

00:17:38.000 Queer theorists do not believe this.

00:17:40.000 They think that we've constructed society to maintain their innocence so they'll grow up normal and not become queer, not realize. 0.98

00:17:46.000 John Money and Kinsey said something, you know, I've never seen such a sexual being as an 18-month-old.

00:17:51.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:17:53.000 This is how they think. 0.67

00:17:53.000 And there's another activist, just a queer activist in education called Lynn's Amare. 0.67

00:18:00.000 You know, whatever.

00:18:01.000 And she actually put on Twitter a couple of years ago.

00:18:03.000 I think she deleted the tweet later.

00:18:05.000 And I'm using she because I have no idea.

00:18:07.000 And the pronouns.

00:18:08.000 But we don't care about pronouns.

00:18:10.000 It says precision around that.

00:18:11.000 Oh, yeah.

00:18:12.000 I just wanted to bring up the point. 0.76

00:18:13.000 And so Lynn said that actually they're not after some kids.

00:18:17.000 They're not after just the LGBT kids.

00:18:19.000 They're after all kids because all kids are queer. 1.00

00:18:21.000 They're intrinsically queer. 1.00

00:18:23.000 They just don't know it.

00:18:23.000 In other words, they're in the closet, but they don't know they're in the closet.

00:18:26.000 So they have to be introduced to the idea or initiated into the idea, removed from their innocence and initiated into the idea that they have a queer identity inside. 0.94

00:18:36.000 And then that has to be developed, has to be affirmed.

00:18:39.000 It has to be celebrated.

00:18:40.000 They have to be made to feel like they're welcomed and belonged.

00:18:42.000 The reason that word is tattooed is that initiation implies a ceremony.

00:18:48.000 Uh-huh.

00:18:49.000 And it implies almost a deliberate procedure, not an accident.

00:18:57.000 Yeah, right.

00:18:58.000 That's why that word initiation feels as if like now you're one of us.

00:19:03.000 You cross the bridge.

00:19:05.000 Right.

00:19:05.000 So let me let me, what are some of these initiation rituals that take place?

00:19:09.000 Well, Drag Queen Story Hour is easily the most visible and prominent.

00:19:12.000 You bring a queer activist, the drag queen, into the room. 0.99

00:19:16.000 You present them in front of children.

00:19:18.000 And it says specifically they wrote a paper called Drag Pedagogy, which is the educational value of drag in curriculum inquiry in 21.

00:19:26.000 This is the most respected curriculum journal in education, academic journal.

00:19:31.000 Big deal. 1.00

00:19:32.000 Written by a drag queen that lives here in the Phoenix area that goes by Lil Miss Hot Mess. 1.00

00:19:37.000 ASU or was that?

00:19:39.000 Not universally affiliated so far as I know.

00:19:41.000 But the ASU has a big drag connection. 0.60

00:19:42.000 We'll get to that.

00:19:43.000 That's probably part of why, but I don't know for sure.

00:19:45.000 And they very explicitly explain that the point of the drag queen is to turn up the excitement, turn up the color, get the kids excited to teach them that there's queer aspects to themselves.

00:19:56.000 In fact, yet again, with the, is it about gay kids?

00:19:59.000 They have this section near the end of this paper titled, listen to these words.

00:20:04.000 I mean, they're big words, but let them sink in.

00:20:07.000 From empathy to embodied kinship.

00:20:12.000 Take out embodied.

00:20:13.000 From empathy to kinship, queer kinship. 0.98

00:20:15.000 And I'm not supposed to call these people groomers, of course, as we all know, right?

00:20:19.000 And they explain in that section, the very first part of the section is they say, well, there's all these ideas of empathy, that the point of queer education is to introduce empathy for LGBT kids and people.

00:20:30.000 They say, well, that's a marketing strategy.

00:20:32.000 That's what we use to get it in the door to justify its value, but its real value is deeper.

00:20:36.000 Its real value is to introduce kids into ways of living and being queer. 0.99

00:20:41.000 And so that's an initiation ritual.

00:20:43.000 The pornographic books in schools, those are a self-directed initiation ritual.

00:20:48.000 They want the kid to find the book.

00:20:49.000 They want the kid to go and read the book, to have an exploration, to bring it up with the teacher, who then says, well, we have a club after school, the GSA, which used to be Gay Straight Alliance, and I think it's the Gender Sexuality Alliance or something like that now.

00:21:00.000 And when you come to this club, you know, maybe it's a pizza party, maybe it's candy.

00:21:04.000 We're going to celebrate and affirm you.

00:21:06.000 So I want to go through some of these examples here.

00:21:08.000 This is an initiation ceremony.

00:21:11.000 This is a grown man, I believe, dressed as a woman, gyrating in front of children. 0.99

00:21:15.000 Play cut 22.

00:21:30.000 Okay, so we have hundreds of these pieces of tape.

00:21:32.000 First of all, is this an unusual occurrence?

00:21:35.000 No, they happened all over the country.

00:21:37.000 They have happened all over the country for especially the last couple of years, but it's been going on since 2015.

00:21:43.000 So it's not a terribly unusual occurrence.

00:21:45.000 What is going on in that clip intellectually?

00:21:48.000 So why is that supported by the academy?

00:21:51.000 Well, the academy is completely captured.

00:21:53.000 The medical institutions are completely captured.

00:21:54.000 The schools are completely captured.

00:21:56.000 The school superintendents association is completely captured.

00:22:00.000 The teachers' unions are completely captured.

00:22:02.000 I do want to get into that.

00:22:03.000 I'm talking about why do they think it's a good idea?

00:22:06.000 Because their logic is, I mean, there's two answers.

00:22:11.000 So let me be very clear about that.

00:22:12.000 There's the marketing answer that as the Drag Queen story hour paper points out.

00:22:17.000 There's a marketing answer.

00:22:18.000 And that answer is some of the kids are LGBT and don't know it.

00:22:22.000 And they have to have some representation to awaken the idea in their mind.

00:22:26.000 And then there's the real answer, which is at the end of the same paragraph in the Drag Queen paper, which is that it's not about empathy or representation.

00:22:32.000 It's about introducing the idea of queerness to every child. 0.60

00:22:36.000 These people are evangelists.

00:22:38.000 That's right.

00:22:38.000 Their goal is to get those kids to see that and say, why is there a man dressed as a woman acting that way?

00:22:44.000 And then to start the dialogue.

00:22:46.000 I mean, this is, and I think you've been really way ahead of the curve, clairvoyant on this, which is these people act as if it's a religion.

00:22:57.000 It is a religion.

00:22:59.000 It is completely a religion.

00:23:02.000 They say things like trans people are sacred.

00:23:05.000 They say that I saw a tweet a few weeks ago. 1.00

00:23:08.000 I mean, it's just some stupid little account. 0.99

00:23:09.000 It's not a big deal, but it said something like, you know, that they had the privilege of touching a trans body today and that so they got to touch a piece of the divine. 0.99

00:23:18.000 They literally see this transformational process as a religious aspiration.

00:23:25.000 It's who you truly are.

00:23:26.000 It's who your soul is and was meant to be before society encapsulated it in a fallen form.

00:23:33.000 I mean, I know the answer because you're perfectly leading up.

00:23:33.000 What is that?

00:23:36.000 How does that intersect with Marxism?

00:23:39.000 Marxism has this idea.

00:23:40.000 Okay, so Marx, we've got to do this right.

00:23:42.000 Okay, so Marxism is a social and economic re-evaluation of the Gnostic heresies from early Christianity and before.

00:23:52.000 The Gnostic heresies say that the God presented in Genesis is actually the architect of the world, the demiurge.

00:23:58.000 That's from the Greek for builder.

00:24:01.000 And so he built the world, but he's not actually God.

00:24:03.000 God is the perfect spirit.

00:24:05.000 We are not separate from God because nothing is separate from God.

00:24:08.000 But the demiurge built the world, the material world, which is an illusion state separate from God, and he imprisoned man's souls inside.

00:24:17.000 And so the fruit of the tree in the garden is supposed to confer to man the knowledge that he is what he is, that he's actually pure spirit and inseparable from God.

00:24:26.000 And the demiurge is basically the jailer of man in Eden and doesn't want them to know that.

00:24:32.000 And so it's actually an evil character.

00:24:34.000 And then when Eve disobeys and Adam follows and they eat from the fruit and then they become to know a little bit of this, all of a sudden, what happens?

00:24:42.000 Well, the character, the demiurge or God in the Bible, flips out, throws them into the material world to suffer, to live by the toil of their back, the sweat of their brow, the pain of childbirth, and so on, the wages of sin or death.

00:24:54.000 All of this comes in upon man.

00:24:56.000 And what the Gnostics believe is that we are falsely imprisoned in the world by an evil demon posing as God.

00:25:02.000 What Marx did was said, the bourgeois class, as a social and economic phenomenon, actually imprisons the exploited proletariat class in their social values, in their way of thinking, so that they can become exploitable, alienated workers who will make the capitalists more money.

00:25:20.000 This same idea gets recapitulated that there are people who, like you and me, who went around and said, you know what?

00:25:25.000 You're pretty normal.

00:25:26.000 I'm pretty normal. 0.97

00:25:27.000 We're normal people, but those people are deviants, weirdos, degenerates, perverts, or queer in the academic literature. 1.00

00:25:34.000 And they don't deserve the full benefits of society unless they conform to our values. 0.87

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00:26:14.000 Yeah, so we were talking about the kind of Gnostic or religious construction.

00:26:17.000 So just a real quick encapsulation, queer theory should be considered queer Marxism.

00:26:22.000 And because Marxism is sociological Gnosticism, I know I'm using a lot of big words real fast.

00:26:27.000 I'll slow down a little bit.

00:26:28.000 Queer theory is really queer Gnosticism. 0.98

00:26:30.000 That you, there's a secret knowledge that will set you free, that will liberate you or emancipate you from the imprisonment of normalcy.

00:26:38.000 And when you have that knowledge, which is queer knowledge, when you become queered, which is to learn to reject the normal and the legitimate, on principle, to reject those and oppose them everywhere they show up, then you can liberate yourself from the impositions of a society that's got you locked in chains. 0.99

00:26:56.000 What Judith Butler, quoting from Michelle Foucault, said, is that it's not so much that the body imprisons the soul, it's that the soul imprisons the body.

00:27:05.000 What they mean is that the social environment, because it's a sociological religion, it's not a transcendent religion.

00:27:11.000 What's transcendent is sociology, our interactions.

00:27:14.000 That's what it's in the material world.

00:27:16.000 That becomes the new religious spiritual realm, is sociology.

00:27:19.000 And the sociology sets it up so that you believe you have to be a certain way.

00:27:23.000 So then you script that.

00:27:25.000 That's their wording.

00:27:26.000 You write that onto your body.

00:27:28.000 So society tells you you're male, so you should be a man. 0.98

00:27:30.000 And so you make yourself into a man, which they think is a fiction.

00:27:34.000 And now you're trapped within that form.

00:27:37.000 So they look at them queer and drag as a liberating force.

00:27:42.000 Liberating, emancipating.

00:27:42.000 That's right.

00:27:44.000 These are the words they use constantly for what they're doing.

00:27:48.000 Liberating from the prison of grief.

00:27:49.000 We're in captivity and we want to be free.

00:27:52.000 That's right.

00:27:52.000 To find out who we really are.

00:27:54.000 And who we really are is queer, without definition, without meaning.

00:27:58.000 Free to give ourselves our own definition, our own meaning, no matter what it is, no matter where it comes from, no matter what.

00:28:04.000 So can you build out a little bit more?

00:28:07.000 You and I have fun when we call these people wizards.

00:28:10.000 Yeah.

00:28:11.000 Well, we do that in the book too, by the way.

00:28:13.000 So we actually do call them wizards.

00:28:15.000 We describe that the educators, the queer educators in the classrooms work very specifically.

00:28:21.000 They're activists that are casting spells.

00:28:23.000 We say that they work like sorcerers to put the kids under spells to allegedly open their minds to the queer possibilities around them. 1.00

00:28:31.000 And what this actually is, is it's a form of, I guess, cognitive and emotional distortion that they put people in.

00:28:39.000 So the spells that they cast usually do something that's mixing a truth with a lie.

00:28:43.000 They tell the kids, maybe you feel uncomfortable with your body.

00:28:46.000 That might be true.

00:28:47.000 That means maybe you're not the gender you were assigned at birth or whatever.

00:28:52.000 Well, that's false.

00:28:53.000 And so they mix these things together in order to confuse children, to confuse everybody, frankly, because queer theory makes no sense. 0.94

00:28:53.000 That's a lie. 0.94

00:29:00.000 And then they want people trapped in this social and emotional spell.

00:29:05.000 Here's one of the biggest spells. 1.00

00:29:06.000 What is a woman?

00:29:08.000 Which I give all the credit to Matt Walsh because he kind of gave us this spell that I've used now over 130 million views.

00:29:08.000 Right?

00:29:17.000 And of course, the biggest moment of that was where Senator Marshall Blackburn picked it up in the Senate and asked me to ask Brown Jackson.

00:29:24.000 That's right.

00:29:24.000 Which they didn't even like her answer.

00:29:26.000 No, she gave the wrong answer, but the right answer in the wrong way.

00:29:29.000 Because what gives the right answer, the wrong explanation?

00:29:31.000 That's right. 0.97

00:29:32.000 She said, I don't know, even though she is a woman. 1.00

00:29:34.000 She doesn't know what a woman is. 0.98

00:29:35.000 I'm not a biologist. 1.00

00:29:37.000 Ooh.

00:29:38.000 But a biologist is a kind of thing, and that kind of thing is an expert.

00:29:42.000 And so what you have to ask is an expert.

00:29:44.000 But you wouldn't ask, why is this kind of right and wrong?

00:29:47.000 Well, you have to ask an expert, but you wouldn't ask a biologist because biologists are actually experts.

00:29:51.000 You have to ask, in fact, a gender theorist or a queer activist.

00:29:54.000 Or a wizard.

00:29:55.000 Who is a wizard instead, who's mystifying the idea of gender?

00:29:58.000 We're not kidding when we say these people are wizards.

00:30:00.000 Yeah, they're casting social and emotional spells, particularly on children, to lead them into what they call living queerly. 0.96

00:30:08.000 So, James, you know, I take my religion very seriously, and you respect how people take religion seriously, and you love the Bible, and you know the Bible well, and it's an objectively beautiful piece of literature.

00:30:20.000 I also believe it's the word of God.

00:30:22.000 It is hard not for me to take the next step, which I know you sympathize with, that this is diabolical and from the pit of hell.

00:30:30.000 Oh, I agree.

00:30:31.000 I mean, I said with you on stage, it opens the pit to hell.

00:30:34.000 No, you said if there was a hell or something.

00:30:36.000 Yeah, something.

00:30:37.000 It would have to queer theory would be its gate. 0.81

00:30:40.000 It's creation.

00:30:41.000 Yeah, for sure it does.

00:30:42.000 Explain what you mean by that.

00:30:44.000 So if we take the Bible, even as a piece of literature, we don't have to take it literally.

00:30:49.000 Who is Satan?

00:30:50.000 He's the accuser.

00:30:51.000 Which it literally means in Hebrew, prosecutor.

00:30:53.000 That's right.

00:30:54.000 And so what does he do?

00:30:55.000 He deceives.

00:30:56.000 He misleads you.

00:30:57.000 He mixes a truth with a lie.

00:30:58.000 He doesn't just come out and necessarily lie.

00:31:00.000 He mixes truths and lies to deceive.

00:31:02.000 That's exactly right.

00:31:03.000 And then once the mixed truth and lie deceives you, what does he do? 0.98

00:31:06.000 He goes around and accuses.

00:31:07.000 Charlie, you're a transphobe.

00:31:08.000 Accusation.

00:31:09.000 Wow.

00:31:09.000 And all of a sudden, that's another magic spell, by the way, because now everybody socially, if they don't know what's going on, thinks you're a bad person, and they aren't sure if they should trust you or listen to you anymore.

00:31:17.000 You do their transphobia.

00:31:19.000 And so all of a sudden, they have these two.

00:31:21.000 So if we're going to take the Bible seriously in saying that that at the level of the Hebrew itself is what represents the father of lies, then we have to look at their behavior, or as Jesus would say, judge them by their fruits and see that that's exactly in accordance with how they behave and act. 0.79

00:31:38.000 Yes.

00:31:38.000 And what comes?

00:31:39.000 What other fruits are there socially?

00:31:41.000 Torn apart lives, destroyed families, children with wrecked bodies with wounds that will never heal from attempted transitions, sterilized from chemical treatments, cross-sex hormones, and Lupron is a puberty blocker that destroys their reproductive organs from the inside out, can damage their minds, can damage their bodies, their bones even become very brittle.

00:32:01.000 There's all of these huge health problems, but then there's social problems.

00:32:04.000 Everybody's walking on eggshells all the time.

00:32:07.000 Everybody's afraid they're going to hurt somebody's feelings or get accused of something.

00:32:10.000 It causes total calamity everywhere.

00:32:13.000 I don't want to screw up.

00:32:14.000 I mean, again, I got enough opposition right now.

00:32:16.000 We're kind of in the hot seat.

00:32:18.000 I don't want to, you know, say some sort of like queering of the American kid, and all of a sudden I got a bunch of, you know, alphabet mafia types trying to firebomb my office. 0.92

00:32:26.000 Yeah, well, um, they're not going to be happy about this book calling it a cult.

00:32:31.000 I can tell you that from experience.

00:32:32.000 I spoke for one of your turning point chapters last week.

00:32:34.000 You did excellent, by the way.

00:32:35.000 Yeah, Pitt.

00:32:36.000 We got to make it bigger.

00:32:37.000 We got to get more.

00:32:38.000 I'm dedicated.

00:32:39.000 We got to really scale it.

00:32:41.000 Yeah.

00:32:41.000 If you.

00:32:41.000 But you had some trans Taliban come, right?

00:32:44.000 Well, it was not quite as bad as that.

00:32:45.000 They threatened that they were going to, but we had a number of activists show up dressed as clowns, which was, I think, a rather poor choice of their representation. 0.71

00:32:53.000 But they actually came in, full clown makeup, full clown, the whole thing, like actual clowns.

00:32:59.000 And they sat there, and this one girl started crying and left and called her mom very early on in because I came out and I said, I'm here to talk about queer theory. 0.66

00:33:10.000 Let me tell you what queer theory is. 0.89

00:33:11.000 Here are the bullet points.

00:33:13.000 It's the doctrine of a religious cult. 0.54

00:33:15.000 It's a cult that is based on sex. 0.99

00:33:16.000 It primarily targets children and it's not got much to do with being gay. 0.97

00:33:20.000 And now I'm going to spend an hour substantiating this.

00:33:23.000 And we had one of the activists in tears over being delivered that dose of truth.

00:33:28.000 Let's play cut 20 here. 1.00

00:33:30.000 National parks are hosting drag queens. 0.79

00:33:32.000 This was last June for Pride Month.

00:33:35.000 And this is, it's actually an incredibly not, I don't want to say deep, but important point that this freakazoid gives.

00:33:44.000 Play cut 20. 0.94

00:33:45.000 Hello, in case you didn't know, gay people are literally taking over the national park system. 1.00

00:33:50.000 I just hope they're pride in Yosemite for the third year in a row. 0.95

00:33:53.000 But this isn't a pride for visitors to the valley.

00:33:55.000 This is a pride for the park employees, of which, as you can see, there are literal hundreds of queer Yosemite employees.

00:34:03.000 We danced, we marched, we celebrated, and we got wet.

00:34:07.000 I am so proud of all the community organizers in the park system who are making safe space for queer people all year round.

00:34:15.000 No planet, no pride. 0.98

00:34:16.000 Mother Nature is a lesbian. 1.00

00:34:18.000 Goodbye. 1.00

00:34:20.000 Your response.

00:34:22.000 That was amazing.

00:34:23.000 That was an amazing spectacle, wasn't it?

00:34:27.000 At the National Park Service, as a core activity using the natural park as a vehicle to bring children in to get them excited and then to lead them into various activities.

00:34:38.000 Yet again, it's initiation ceremony.

00:34:39.000 My response is as simple as it could be.

00:34:41.000 This is an initiation ceremony meant to get children to believe that maybe I'm this way too and to start asking the questions.

00:34:47.000 And then when they start asking the questions, they start getting affirmed.

00:34:50.000 Yeah, and this is an important thing.

00:34:52.000 I mean, I'm obviously have my problems with drag of all ages, but especially children. 1.00

00:34:58.000 And that's the emphasis.

00:34:59.000 Drag is not new.

00:35:01.000 No.

00:35:02.000 And I think you make this point the best.

00:35:04.000 Growing up, there were people that cross-dressed or dragged.

00:35:07.000 That is, it's not some sort of new phenomenon.

00:35:09.000 The focus on the children is a new phenomenon.

00:35:12.000 That's correct.

00:35:12.000 That actually, according to the Drag Queen Story Hour paper, at least started officially, or that program of focusing on children started specifically in 2015 in San Francisco.

00:35:21.000 I mean, they can nail it down to like the gay men's choir thing.

00:35:25.000 That's right.

00:35:25.000 Can we get that again?

00:35:26.000 Oh, they tried to sue us over this thing.

00:35:29.000 You want to know a story?

00:35:30.000 They have gone after everyone that airs this.

00:35:33.000 You know what I'm talking about, Ryan?

00:35:34.000 That we're going to come after your children?

00:35:37.000 Have you seen it? 1.00

00:35:38.000 They whitewashed the.

00:35:40.000 We have like one of the few files, and they send out what is it called, DMCA type stuff.

00:35:45.000 Wow, what is it?

00:35:47.000 They literally sing a song, we'll convert your children.

00:35:50.000 Yeah, they don't, they're not actually hiding it, they're looking for them.

00:35:53.000 Oh, they sing in harmony.

00:35:54.000 They're looking for society's tacit passion.

00:35:57.000 Let's play cut 27.

00:35:58.000 By the way, Blake, I don't want to speak out of term, but I think some of these people that are in this video singing were later in some legal trouble.

00:36:06.000 Am I right about that, Blake?

00:36:08.000 I have some memory of that.

00:36:10.000 Oh, they were in it before.

00:36:13.000 All right, play Cut 27.

00:36:15.000 We have a message for you.

00:36:18.000 You think we're sinful?

00:36:20.000 You fight against our rights.

00:36:22.000 You say we all lead lives you can't respect.

00:36:28.000 But you're just frightened.

00:36:31.000 You think that we'll corrupt your kids if our agenda goes unchecked.

00:36:38.000 Funny, just this once.

00:36:40.000 You're correct.

00:36:43.000 We'll convert your children. 0.98

00:36:47.000 Happens bit by bit, quietly and subtly, and you will barely notice it.

00:36:54.000 We'll convert your children and make an ally of you.

00:37:02.000 James Lindsay, that's, I mean, that's exactly it.

00:37:05.000 What they're doing is that the reason that they come after you is they don't want people to see that and understand what it really is.

00:37:09.000 They're doing it with a wink and a nod because what it looks like is what it really is.

00:37:13.000 But they want to say that they're playing into the trope that's against them to get away from that.

00:37:17.000 But what they're telling you is exactly what they're after to initiate your children into their culture.

00:37:21.000 Yeah, I think it was the Washington Post when they were a bunch of homosexuals that were marching in the streets last summer and they said, We're coming after your kids.

00:37:28.000 And the Washington Post said, That's them using the trope to their advantage.

00:37:33.000 I said, Yeah, I'm sorry.

00:37:36.000 That is Orwellian level spinning.

00:37:39.000 They know that they're doing that.

00:37:40.000 They do it on purpose.

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00:38:50.000 So let's put up Cut 18.

00:38:53.000 This is the All-Star team.

00:38:55.000 This is what the Biden government will be known as.

00:38:57.000 You see here, you got Dylan Mulvaney, Levine, Karine John Pierre, Monkey Pox Dude, the Stripper, the TikTok person.

00:39:04.000 I don't know who those other.

00:39:05.000 Oh, the luggage thief.

00:39:06.000 Luggage thief, yeah.

00:39:07.000 And I don't know who that other person is.

00:39:08.000 Yeah, I don't know that one.

00:39:10.000 So the queering of the government.

00:39:14.000 What's that all about?

00:39:16.000 I mean, the government being queer is the most shocking, I think, part of this. 1.00

00:39:20.000 Is it the most dangerous?

00:39:22.000 Probably because the government ends up being able to set standards and validate this.

00:39:26.000 For example, in education, and we talk about this in detail in the book, The way that the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights has taken on queer theory, and especially with regard to the gender identity, which leads to creating these policies at schools and defending these policies in schools where parents are to be shut out of what's going on in the name of protecting the kids.

00:39:49.000 Of course, we've seen some of these states that are passing these bills that allow they call it something like trans sanctuary.

00:39:55.000 But in many cases, what they do is they open the door, of course, to sex trafficking because all you have to do is get a kid across the state lines and call them trans or whatever, and they go into the care of the state where it's easy to fall through the cracks and every other thing.

00:40:07.000 And so there's major problems with these.

00:40:08.000 But the government has picked this up to the point where schools can have these policies.

00:40:13.000 And if parents fight back, the Department of Education itself is in the Office of Civil Rights.

00:40:17.000 Or Department of Justice.

00:40:18.000 And well, yes, the Department of Justice as well has.

00:40:21.000 They can come down with the full weight of the Office of Civil Rights, maybe the Department of Justice against parents who stand up to protect the kids.

00:40:26.000 I have to pause here.

00:40:27.000 I mean, without getting into the details of the last month and a half, I've taken some strong stances about the overextension of the Civil Rights Act.

00:40:34.000 Are you saying that the Civil Rights Act is being applied towards queering of American kids? 0.95

00:40:38.000 It is, and that largely began under Obama, where he sent in 2011 what was called the Dear Colleague letter, and that was to extend the application of Title IX.

00:40:48.000 Of course, this same logic got reified, unfortunately, at the part of Gorsuch's decision in Obergefell.

00:40:56.000 Very unfortunately, he indicates that it is actually a form of sex discrimination to do gender discrimination or sexuality discrimination, which is not correct.

00:41:05.000 So, can you just build this out so the full force of the federal government can be used the same way it was to end racial segregation to try to end what?

00:41:13.000 To try to end so, what you're seeing in schools, for example, is that children will choose a preferred identity, the schools will protect that identity, and often against the parents' wishes, the parents will seek restitution for this, and then what will come back is that the parents will be found in the wrong.

00:41:31.000 And at some points, we're even seeing in various states, what was the big state that just happened?

00:41:35.000 It was Indiana.

00:41:37.000 You're seeing parents literally fighting for their kids because child protective services gets involved.

00:41:43.000 And you see schools afraid to take any kind of a stand on the side of the people.

00:41:47.000 Because the Office of the Civil Rights, the federal government, the Department of Justice might come crushing them down.

00:41:51.000 That's right.

00:41:52.000 And it turns out that it's actually based off of a couple of memos.

00:41:56.000 There's no actual substance to it, but that's how they work.

00:42:00.000 And then they've got Obergefell backing them up.

00:42:02.000 And so is it fair to say that queerness is becoming a new civil rights identity.

00:42:08.000 They're trying to make it one for sure.

00:42:10.000 I don't know that it's nothing.

00:42:12.000 Yeah, I said back in 2019, and I'm rather proud of this prediction, was that if they ever went fully public with queer theory, that they'd shot themselves in the foot, and it was only a matter of time. 0.95

00:42:21.000 Parents would fall for a lot of the racial justice stuff, but they weren't going to fall for the queering of their kids on a total, like a total societal scale. 0.83

00:42:30.000 And we haven't.

00:42:31.000 And parents will protect their kids.

00:42:34.000 So they're trying to make it one, but that's going to be a gigantic battleground.

00:42:38.000 There's no standing that makes any sense to apply sex segregation into gender and sexuality, but they've cooked up legal baloney to make it work that way for the time being.

00:42:50.000 How do we defeat these people?

00:42:53.000 It sounds really dumb, but the first thing that we actually have to do is to continue to expose them because a lot of this is actually going to get sorted out in the judiciary. 0.92

00:43:03.000 This is going to be a result of a lot of litigation. 0.87

00:43:05.000 Yeah, so this is where I'm not as optimistic.

00:43:07.000 The courts have been letting us down with some of this.

00:43:09.000 This is why that's what I'm saying.

00:43:11.000 We have the left, the queer apparatus, the human rights campaign being one such organization, the ACLU being another such organization, and then they have all of the American Medical Association, American Psychological, Psychiatric, American Academy of Pediatrics. 1.00

00:43:27.000 They have all these professional organizations.

00:43:29.000 And so when one of these cases goes to court, it is not technically the judge's job to be expert in literally every subject that comes before his bench.

00:43:36.000 He has to rule on the law.

00:43:38.000 And so they get blinded by this bevy of fake experts.

00:43:41.000 So what we need is the ability to give expert testimony, expert witness, and to start educating the judiciary that this isn't just that, that this isn't just another civil rights question like we saw whether it's the gay civil rights or the racial civil rights movements of the past.

00:43:57.000 This is something fundamentally different.

00:43:59.000 And yes, so just to be clear, it was Obergafell that expanded parts of the Civil Rights Act to gender theory.

00:44:06.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:44:07.000 That's right.

00:44:08.000 And sexuality more specifically.

00:44:09.000 But it opens in both directions.

00:44:11.000 So this is where you start getting the Title IX questions that people like Riley Gaines had to deal with.

00:44:15.000 So Title IX literally is one of the shortest things that we all talk about in the Federal Registry.

00:44:21.000 It's extremely simple.

00:44:22.000 It's that you will not discriminate based on sex and anything receiving federal funds within education.

00:44:27.000 It's not complicated.

00:44:29.000 And what they've done is they've created this crazy argument that if a man shows up dressed as a woman and a woman shows up dressed as a woman, and you say, well, the man cannot come in because he's dressed as a woman, but the woman can come in dressed as a woman, then you're discriminating against the man because he's a man.

00:44:46.000 But no, you're not.

00:44:47.000 You're discriminating against somebody who is dressed as the opposite sex or trying to enter into a single sex space. 0.96

00:44:54.000 Now, this is important because if you allow a man to enter a woman's space, that is no longer a segregated, single-sex reserved space for women because it admits some men, which means that that space is no longer a sex-reserved or sex-protected space, which means it's not possible to discriminate on sex because sex doesn't mean anything here anymore.

00:45:15.000 Sex isn't the determiner of the quality of the space.

00:45:17.000 So it's actually a contradiction.

00:45:19.000 And how Gorsuch fell for it, I'm not exactly sure, but it's not.

00:45:23.000 And that was the, there was the Bostock versus Clayton County 2020 decision is what you're referencing with Gorsuch, right?

00:45:29.000 Oh, that's right.

00:45:29.000 That's right.

00:45:30.000 No, there's two.

00:45:30.000 Sorry.

00:45:31.000 There's the Obergefell, and then there's the Bostock versus County.

00:45:33.000 No, you're right.

00:45:34.000 You're right.

00:45:35.000 The Obergefell was nationalization of Bostock versus Clayton County, Gorsuch fell for this little trick that Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 64 protects employees against discrimination and therefore based on gender identity.

00:45:52.000 Right.

00:45:52.000 And so then the Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights immediately, in practice, extended to Title IX as well.

00:45:58.000 And that's literally how you get Riley Gaines' story.

00:46:01.000 That's literally how the entire experience that she and her fellow swimmers and other athletes are dealing with.

00:46:06.000 I'm not going to involve you into some of my intellectual fights I'm involved in, but my contention is that the Civil Rights Act has gone way beyond the scope of its intent.

00:46:13.000 That's, I think, actually patently obvious.

00:46:16.000 I know, but I get attacked for saying such things.

00:46:18.000 But I mean, we can even just look very, very, let's be very narrow about that.

00:46:23.000 Let's just look at one Supreme Court decision, which is a very important Supreme Court decision that needs to be on everybody's mind that cares about this issue.

00:46:30.000 Whatever you think of the Civil Rights Act itself, in 1971, Griggs versus Duke Power decided that disparate impact, if there's a difference in outcomes, in equity, not inequality, no intention to discriminate.

00:46:43.000 Difference in outcomes can be taken as proof of discrimination.

00:46:47.000 1971.

00:46:48.000 So this is disparate impact.

00:46:50.000 So, and I don't want to go into the full details of Griggs versus Duke Power, 1971.

00:46:50.000 Yeah.

00:46:55.000 Everybody should go look it up.

00:46:56.000 And the short version is that they were giving a test to go into management, and more white people proportionally were passing the test than black people proportionally.

00:47:05.000 The test had no racism found in it whatsoever, but they decided that that, because it had a difference in impact, that there must be racism hidden in it somewhere.

00:47:12.000 That's your magical systemic racism.

00:47:14.000 And so ever since civil rights law, which is primarily done by leftists, we have very few conservatives in civil rights law, have jumped on that interpretation to say anywhere there's a disparate impact, then all of a sudden protected categories like race become protected classes like racial minorities.

00:47:34.000 And this changes the intention of civil rights law completely.

00:47:38.000 I'm not going to weigh in because I don't fully know and I'm slightly agnostic as to whether civil rights reform is enough to repair this, but I know that getting rid of disparate impact analysis itself will turn the Civil Rights Act into the weapon against woke that we can be able to start filing lawsuits and winning lawsuits and beating this out of our institutions.

00:47:58.000 Yeah, and I think lawfare is important.

00:48:00.000 I do.

00:48:01.000 But remember, judges read the New York Times.

00:48:04.000 That's right.

00:48:04.000 And so you're in this culture where you do a great job.

00:48:08.000 You have lived through the different versions of Twitter X. Are we in a better spot to win because of Elon and what he's done?

00:48:16.000 Yeah, tremendously so.

00:48:18.000 Having a place where there is free speech is overwhelmingly crucial.

00:48:24.000 We're in a completely different space.

00:48:26.000 They can't foist something on us without the skepticism being voiced somewhere that's got mainstream appeal.

00:48:32.000 It's not just off in like the weird corners of the internet that they can say are, you know, white supremacy havens or whatever.

00:48:37.000 It's now on a mainstream, the biggest, I think, mainstream approach.

00:48:39.000 So for example, you got kicked for saying, okay, groomer.

00:48:42.000 That's right, for five months.

00:48:43.000 You can say that every day now.

00:48:44.000 I say it a lot.

00:48:45.000 I say it a lot.

00:48:47.000 You have to be careful in Canada, though, because calling a drag queen in Canada a groomer is actually against the law now.

00:48:52.000 That's probably my fault.

00:48:54.000 Yeah, you know, I'm not going to go to Canada anytime soon.

00:48:56.000 I'm okay being a political prisoner at some point, if that's what it's going to take, but not in Canada.

00:49:01.000 So, and if you read Walter Isaacson's book, the only reason Twitter reformed is because Elon bought it and he just went in and demanded change, like reinstate this account, reinstate this account.

00:49:13.000 You were on the list, by the way.

00:49:14.000 I was.

00:49:14.000 You were on, like, Lindsay needs to be back, right?

00:49:17.000 Peterson needs to be back, you know.

00:49:19.000 Pretty remarkable.

00:49:20.000 Final thoughts, James Lindsay.

00:49:22.000 Every parent and grandparent and really every honest teacher left in this country, and there are a lot of them, needs to read The Queering of the American Child because they need to understand queer theory.

00:49:31.000 I'll brag on Logan because he wrote it in a way that I could not.

00:49:34.000 It's so easy to read.

00:49:36.000 It's so accessible.

00:49:37.000 You're a great writer, but you have technically.

00:49:39.000 Yes, that's right.

00:49:40.000 This is very easy.

00:49:42.000 Everybody who read it early, it's about 100 people read it early, have all said the same thing.

00:49:46.000 Very easy to read.

00:49:46.000 Page terminal.

00:49:47.000 Let's blow it up. 0.76

00:49:48.000 Let's do a whole bunch of events.

00:49:49.000 Have I met them?

00:49:51.000 No, he's just a dad.

00:49:53.000 He's just a quiet dad who...

00:49:55.000 I love that.

00:49:55.000 Yeah, and he saw Queer Theory and he said, I have kids.

00:49:59.000 This is coming.

00:49:59.000 I have to be ready before they get in school.

00:50:02.000 James, you're excellent.

00:50:03.000 God bless you, man.

00:50:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:50:05.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:50:08.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 27, 2024

The Queering of the American Child

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