The Charlie Kirk Show - The Real People To Blame For the ICE Shooting

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00:01:09.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 It is January 8th.

00:01:12.000 Andrew Colvett, Executive Producer of this show, joined by Blake Neff, per usual.

00:01:17.000 And we are honored to be joined right at the top here by Energy Secretary Chris Wright, who is a man that is in the middle of a lot of the news that's happening, especially when it comes to Venezuela sludgy crude, a new term that I learned this morning preparing for this interview.

00:01:34.000 Secretary Wright, welcome to the show.

00:01:36.000 Andrew, thanks for having me.

00:01:38.000 An honor to be on the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:40.000 Yeah, it's an honor.

00:01:41.000 I got to meet you recently in person on a visit to DC.

00:01:45.000 So it's an honor to have you here.

00:01:48.000 I was struck, by the way, when we met just your enthusiasm and your energy.

00:01:53.000 I mean, no pun intended, but just for this topic and all the great work that you're doing on the domestic side.

00:02:00.000 And so I was not shocked because you strike me as a guy that has pretty much boundless enthusiasm, energy, and bandwidth.

00:02:09.000 And so I was not shocked when I saw that President Trump put you, added to your portfolio, the issue of Venezuelan oil.

00:02:18.000 So a lot of people, there's a lot of confusion about how much they produce, how much they can produce, what is America's role.

00:02:25.000 And now that you're in charge of kind of overseeing this project, please give us the breadth and depth of this situation as it stands.

00:02:33.000 You bet.

00:02:34.000 Look, it's an honor.

00:02:35.000 I think this issue of Venezuela, it's sort of a perfect illustration of President Trump's broader agenda, which is prosperity at home here in America and peace abroad.

00:02:47.000 Because they always tied together.

00:02:49.000 And in this case, they're deeply tied together.

00:02:52.000 Venezuela was a giant oil producer 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago.

00:02:58.000 American companies, American investment, American technology.

00:03:02.000 And then they've collapsed under a socialist, communist, top-down, corrupt dictatorship that just ruined the country.

00:03:10.000 And let's come back to Venezuela in a second.

00:03:12.000 But for the United States, that shrinking oil going out means less oil on the market.

00:03:18.000 On balance, it means higher oil prices.

00:03:20.000 It means more refugees forced out of the country. 1.00

00:03:24.000 It means they've gone into drug dealing and arms dealing and human trafficking to make money and fund their government, all of which has brought grave negative consequences to the United States and the whole Western hemisphere.

00:03:37.000 So President Trump looks at this and says, we got to stop this immigration of drugs and people and guns and support for the adversaries of the United States, Iran and Russia and other terrorist organizations in Venezuela.

00:03:51.000 This is hurting America.

00:03:52.000 We've got to fix that problem.

00:03:54.000 But it's not troops on the ground.

00:03:56.000 We're not invading Venezuela.

00:03:58.000 But the last 25 years of pressure as Venezuela has just gone down the tube haven't worked.

00:04:04.000 President Trump was creative and thoughtful.

00:04:07.000 How do we do this?

00:04:08.000 How do we use energy and commerce to reform the state of Venezuela?

00:04:13.000 So I'm thrilled with what he's done, arresting someone that President Biden had a $15 million bounty on the head of Nicolas Maduro.

00:04:22.000 It is not controversial.

00:04:23.000 This guy has run a narco-terrorist state.

00:04:26.000 That guy is now in custody with his wife facing trial.

00:04:30.000 And we're using the leverage over energy sales to get the existing interim authorities in Venezuela to work with the United States to pivot that country in a better direction.

00:04:42.000 A better direction reduces crime, reduces drug dealing, reduces stressors on the American economy, and ultimately can bring prosperity, which is what capitalism and freedom brings, back to Venezuela.

00:04:54.000 And it can bring lower energy prices and enormous business opportunities for Americans.

00:05:00.000 Yeah, and I think we definitely agree with you on the opportunity.

00:05:03.000 I see the opportunity.

00:05:05.000 I have so many questions, though.

00:05:07.000 There's questions about, you know, how much oil is there in Venezuela, right?

00:05:12.000 There's allegations that those.

00:05:14.000 That was great.

00:05:14.000 It was people have pointed out that they're saying is it the most oil in the world, but then that goes back to OPEC and OPEC goes on national estimates.

00:05:23.000 And in theory, Venezuela was exaggerating.

00:05:25.000 Yeah.

00:05:26.000 Do we have any hard knowledge on that, Secretary?

00:05:29.000 Look, American companies have been on the ground in Venezuela for over 100 years.

00:05:29.000 Oh, we do.

00:05:34.000 So that 300 billion barrels of proved reserve, it's actually a credible number.

00:05:39.000 But when you hear these numbers, understand all of them are wild underestimates of the actual oil in the ground.

00:05:48.000 The United States's reserves today are about 50 billion barrels of oil.

00:05:52.000 So only a sixth of Venezuela.

00:05:55.000 But we produce 20 times as much crude oil.

00:05:58.000 And United States reserves today are the highest they've ever been.

00:06:02.000 So if it really was your total underground, well, we've been producing oil for 150 years.

00:06:07.000 Why isn't our number going down?

00:06:09.000 Our number is going up.

00:06:10.000 So, you know, it's a narrow measure of with today's technology and at today's price, how much oil could you lift out of the ground that we know about right now?

00:06:20.000 So Venezuela's reserves are immense.

00:06:22.000 That is very real.

00:06:24.000 So but you can't, that oil underground doesn't mean anything.

00:06:27.000 You need technology, capital, and rule of law to get it out.

00:06:30.000 But that's what America is aiming to bring back.

00:06:33.000 So I read that you've met with ConocoPhillips, Chevron, ExxonMobil.

00:06:38.000 Now, these were oil fields, infrastructure that were owned by American companies.

00:06:43.000 Previously, they were expropriated by Hugo Chavez and Maduro.

00:06:49.000 I've also read that the revenue from oil sales will go into American-controlled accounts.

00:06:56.000 How does that work?

00:06:57.000 So you sell some oil from Venezuela, you got a buyer, the money goes into an account.

00:07:01.000 What happens then?

00:07:03.000 See, normally, before they ship tankers around the world, even though we had sanctions on them, the Biden administration and too many others don't enforce those sanctions.

00:07:12.000 So that oil goes out.

00:07:13.000 It was mostly going to China, mostly going to China and Cuba and other not crystal, not class A actors in the world.

00:07:25.000 And then that money was flowing into Venezuela.

00:07:27.000 Some of it was going to the government.

00:07:29.000 Some of it was going to corrupt people.

00:07:31.000 You know, there was it, that corruption is centered around the raising of that money.

00:07:36.000 What's happening?

00:07:36.000 Then we put a blockade around, said you can't sell oil to the world.

00:07:40.000 Well, Venezuela can't survive long without selling oil to the world.

00:07:45.000 Drug enforcement agency, with the help of the Department of War, extracted Venezuela, I mean, Maduro and his wife out of the country.

00:07:53.000 And we just began a dialogue with them.

00:07:54.000 Do you want to sell oil?

00:07:55.000 Well, of course they want to sell oil.

00:07:57.000 We said, well, look, this is how we're going to sell oil.

00:07:59.000 We're going to let the tankers go out.

00:08:01.000 We'll market that oil.

00:08:03.000 We'll actually get a better price and more secure payment, much more than they could.

00:08:08.000 And we'll put that money into an account and we'll bring that money back to Venezuela.

00:08:12.000 But it gives us the leverage to change their behavior, to stop their destructive activity for America and Americans and steer their policies in a better direction.

00:08:23.000 With the ultimate goal to lead to a representative government in Venezuela, restore freedom, democracy, and prosperity.

00:08:30.000 So it is a giant geopolitical chessboard here that we're moving around.

00:08:37.000 And so the question is, does that money then get shared directly with the Venezuelan companies or are American companies going to come back in and they're going to be profit sharing?

00:08:50.000 I think that's the question.

00:08:51.000 And then are they ready to make that investment once again, Mr. Secretary?

00:08:57.000 So look, Chevron is still in the country, and there's little changes we can make that can allow Chevron to expand their production.

00:09:05.000 But what'll bring American oil companies back, and believe me, there are tons of them that are very anxious to come back, is just to believe that the rule of law will be respected and that the commercial agreements they can make are in the best interest of their country.

00:09:20.000 You know, Venezuelan government owes lots of them billions of dollars.

00:09:24.000 So yes, there's an ugly history here.

00:09:27.000 But our belief is, and I think these companies share that belief, is that with President Trump's leadership and the leverage we have today, we can move things forward in Venezuela.

00:09:37.000 So it's once again, it's once again a profitable place for American businesses to go.

00:09:43.000 Because of course, both sides win.

00:09:45.000 If the oil companies make money, they're going to produce more oil.

00:09:48.000 A lot of the revenue from that oil production goes into the government of Venezuela, but it also goes into the paychecks and economies of the country as a whole.

00:09:59.000 So there's just, Venezuela 50 years ago was one of the wealthiest per capita nations in the world, and they've just collapsed.

00:10:08.000 President Trump walked into a catch-22 when taking office.

00:10:11.000 Do nothing, and America would be staring at a ticking debt bomb, the kind of crisis that could cripple our future.

00:10:16.000 Instead, he's taken action with strong policies to slow the train and buy us some time.

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00:11:04.000 President Trump is fighting for America's future.

00:11:06.000 Now it's your turn to help protect yours.

00:11:11.000 Like I said, I've met you in person, and I know just you have so much.

00:11:16.000 I was blown away just on a more personal level, just how much insight you have about so many different areas.

00:11:23.000 And I think you have been doing a tremendous job at the Department of Energy.

00:11:27.000 And you guys, by the way, your portfolio, people don't understand how large the portfolio is at the Department of Energy.

00:11:33.000 You guys have a lot of different avenues and projects that you work on that people wouldn't necessarily have.

00:11:38.000 The nuclear arsenal.

00:11:39.000 What's that?

00:11:40.000 The nuclear arsenal.

00:11:41.000 Nuclear arsenal.

00:11:41.000 Yeah.

00:11:42.000 By the way, are you pro-nuclear, Mr. Secretary?

00:11:44.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:11:46.000 I went to college to work on nuclear energy as a 17-year-old kid.

00:11:46.000 Absolutely.

00:11:51.000 So, yes, we want to launch a nuclear renaissance.

00:11:54.000 We are also the designers and constructors of the nuclear weapons arsenal for the United States, the nuclear engines that power our submarines and aircraft carriers, and maybe least known, the 17 national labs, which are the greatest Nobel Prize-winning factories on planet Earth, and that are the anchor of our Genesis AI mission that we're launching in the country.

00:12:18.000 So you're right.

00:12:20.000 The Department of Energy is sort of broadly national security, science, engineering, and energy.

00:12:27.000 Yeah, and now geopolitics.

00:12:29.000 Well, I mean, I think probably always geopolitics.

00:12:32.000 So we're getting these, you know, I don't want to keep, I know you got an out here, but you're, we saw this GDP number get revised up where, you know, we're seeing numbers like 4.3, 4.9.

00:12:45.000 How much of the success of the Trump administration economically starts with you and the energy policies that the president has outlined?

00:12:56.000 Well, look, energy is, I call it the infrastructure.

00:12:59.000 It's the basic plumbing of any economy.

00:13:02.000 If you get energy wrong, nothing else matters.

00:13:04.000 If you get energy right, you've just got a land of opportunity.

00:13:07.000 Manufacturing will return there.

00:13:09.000 You can win an AI race, for example, versus China.

00:13:12.000 So yeah, energy is pretty foundational on that.

00:13:15.000 And regulatory reform, which is all the departments are working on that.

00:13:19.000 We've got to make it so you can build big things in America again and invest in our country.

00:13:24.000 I think president's leadership is going to bring confidence to everything.

00:13:29.000 Everything comes from energy.

00:13:30.000 Like if you just look at the Industrial Revolution, all the Industrial Revolution was you increased access to the energy to do work.

00:13:37.000 And every step where we've taken a big leap forward technologically has just been more and cheaper energy.

00:13:43.000 And the path of decline is deciding, oh, we need to reduce our energy usage, cap it, reduce it.

00:13:48.000 Mr. Secretary, you know, the Industrial Revolution was sparked.

00:13:52.000 Blake made an apt observation by access to cheaper and better energy sources.

00:13:57.000 You have done a breakdown between red states and blue states.

00:14:02.000 And I know we're getting a little off the Venezuela oil topic here, but how stark is the difference in energy policy and then prices between red states and blue states?

00:14:12.000 Yeah, so I don't know how many people would love a little more than a 50% increase in their electricity prices, but that's the difference between blue states.

00:14:21.000 If you average across all the blue states and you average across all the red states, blue states are over 50% higher electricity prices.

00:14:30.000 And that's not bad luck.

00:14:32.000 Those are just political choices.

00:14:34.000 Back to this energy thing, restrictive policies that make energy more expensive.

00:14:38.000 Somehow blue states think that's virtuous, but in reality, it's just impoverishing for citizens and it's just a dissuasion for businesses to want to locate there, which is why there's continual migration from blue, high-energy price states to red, low-energy price pro-freedom states.

00:14:55.000 Yeah, I'm looking at a chart right here.

00:14:57.000 So they measure power costs in kilowatt hours.

00:15:00.000 And it's kind of like a common measure of energy.

00:15:02.000 And Texas, 12 cents per kilowatt hour.

00:15:04.000 Florida, 13 cents per kilowatt hour.

00:15:07.000 California, 30 cents per kilowatt hour.

00:15:09.000 So that's three times as much electricity.

00:15:11.000 That affects, yeah, your home power bill, but imagine you're running a factory.

00:15:15.000 Imagine you are making something.

00:15:17.000 Those can take a ton of energy.

00:15:19.000 Businesses even.

00:15:20.000 It's even worse in Europe.

00:15:21.000 The reason factories are leaving Europe, UK can't make anything.

00:15:24.000 Germany is unable to make things anymore is they've made their electricity prices too high and you can't run a power plant.

00:15:30.000 You can't run a plant.

00:15:32.000 I'm certain the Secretary has strong opinions on this because I've seen some of the reporting on your critiques of European energy policy, Mr. Secretary.

00:15:41.000 No, you're right on.

00:15:43.000 If you make energy more expensive, they did it saying they were fighting climate change.

00:15:48.000 If you look at the data on emissions, they didn't do anything in that regard.

00:15:51.000 But when they made energy more expensive, they just exported their industry.

00:15:57.000 All these factories, Germany and United Kingdom.

00:16:00.000 These are the birthplaces of the Industrial Revolution.

00:16:02.000 They just sent all their industry to China and elsewhere in Asia.

00:16:07.000 And if you look at after the financial crisis, that's when there was a huge pivot in energy policies.

00:16:13.000 It's so important, that energy stuff.

00:16:16.000 It's amazing when you look at the chart where it's just every big leap forward.

00:16:20.000 It almost can make civilization deterministic, where they'll look at like, oh, why did Rome fall or something?

00:16:26.000 Or why did this Chinese dynasty fall?

00:16:28.000 And they'll say, well, it actually just seems that the price of energy and the primitive forms they use got too high and they couldn't maintain civilization.

00:16:34.000 It's crazy foundational.

00:16:35.000 Like the energy policy of this Trump administration versus the Biden administration versus Europeans, it couldn't be more stark.

00:16:45.000 And it actually is the foundational choice, the first choice in a series of dominoes that falls after whether you're going to be pro-growth or anti-growth.

00:16:52.000 It's really that foundational.

00:16:53.000 And I was going to ask the secretary to bring it back full circle to on Venezuela.

00:16:59.000 How does this help us domestically?

00:17:01.000 Because again, the base, Trump voters, America first, they're skeptical about foreign interventions.

00:17:06.000 But this is Western Hemisphere.

00:17:08.000 It's oil.

00:17:09.000 It's energy. 0.72

00:17:10.000 It's also kicking out our adversaries out of the Western Hemisphere to meddle around in our business.

00:17:15.000 But there will be downstream positive impacts, not only for American companies, but American consumers.

00:17:20.000 So, yes.

00:17:22.000 Caleb's watching.

00:17:23.000 He says somebody cut the power to the energy secretary.

00:17:25.000 I agree.

00:17:26.000 I agree.

00:17:26.000 No.

00:17:27.000 It was probably the Chinese. 0.80

00:17:29.000 It's probably the Chinese. 0.98

00:17:30.000 Blake, let's go ahead and pivot, though.

00:17:33.000 The main story of the day, obviously, is Minneapolis.

00:17:36.000 Oh, yes, exactly.

00:17:37.000 Why don't you set the table for us?

00:17:39.000 What happened in Minneapolis?

00:17:40.000 This was happening during the show yesterday.

00:17:42.000 We didn't have the chance to react to it.

00:17:46.000 Let me make sure I've got the stuff for it.

00:17:48.000 We didn't have a chance to react to it, but it was breaking at the time, and we got videos right after the show.

00:17:53.000 So what happened is ICE has surged into Minneapolis.

00:17:56.000 They're doing raids.

00:17:58.000 And by extension, we're getting all the things that the left has trained people to do against ICE in last year.

00:18:03.000 You have people following them.

00:18:04.000 You have people harassing them.

00:18:05.000 You have people trying to clog up traffic.

00:18:07.000 And unfortunately, yesterday it did result in a fatal shooting.

00:18:12.000 And I guess we may as well just play it.

00:18:14.000 So this occurred yesterday in somewhere in Minneapolis.

00:18:18.000 Let's play 275.

00:18:25.000 Okay, there's no audio on this one, but they're approaching and they're saying, get out of the car, get out of the car.

00:18:30.000 She backs up, and then she accelerates away.

00:18:34.000 And what happens is there was an ICE agent behind the one you could see approaching the side.

00:18:39.000 He was directly in front of me.

00:18:40.000 He was in front of the car, and she sort of turns away from him, but she brushes against his leg.

00:18:45.000 And he'd already, I believe, drawn his weapon at that point.

00:18:48.000 And I think in the split second, he reached the conclusion she was possibly trying to run him over.

00:18:53.000 And he shot through the front window and killed her instantly.

00:18:57.000 And then you can see it in slow motion right there.

00:18:59.000 There's a second angle, which clearly shows that the ICE agent was actually hit and clipped.

00:19:04.000 And you can also see her wheels are spinning out because it was icy.

00:19:09.000 It's cold. 0.98

00:19:10.000 Her wheels spin out.

00:19:11.000 She's that when the shot is fired, if you freeze frame it, her wheels are actually turned towards the ice officer.

00:19:20.000 I suspect that the wheels only turned to the right once the officer drew his firearm.

00:19:28.000 I looked at this clip by clip last night.

00:19:29.000 Here's 300, clip 300.

00:19:31.000 This is with sound.

00:19:32.000 Make sure we don't have any swear words in this.

00:19:34.000 Clip 300.

00:19:55.000 What the f did you do?

00:19:58.000 So here's what's interesting, though. 1.00

00:20:00.000 This 37-year-old woman, apparently she has a female partner, the kid. 0.98

00:20:08.000 First question: I don't know what a 37-year-old woman with a kid is doing out there going head-to-head with ICE agents, doing some sort of like citizen vigilante, you know, observing. 0.80

00:20:18.000 That's not observing. 1.00

00:20:19.000 She was obstructing.

00:20:21.000 And here's a witness that actually basically defines this lady as the main car leading the protest. 0.86

00:20:28.000 281.

00:20:30.000 They clearly wanted her out of there because she was the main car leading the protest, is my understanding.

00:20:38.000 I talked to another guy who was driving behind her.

00:20:41.000 But she was very successful in blocking traffic.

00:20:48.000 She was doing what she was set out to do.

00:20:51.000 And so they wanted to get her the hell out of there.

00:20:55.000 Yeah. 0.56

00:20:56.000 So it looked like she was impeding ICE vehicles. 1.00

00:20:59.000 Definitely. 0.93

00:20:59.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:21:00.000 That was her goal.

00:21:03.000 Well, so I think my read on it is: I don't believe she was attempting to run anyone over.

00:21:08.000 I think in actually, I'll have longer thoughts on this.

00:21:13.000 So I'll want a strong reaction to that.

00:21:15.000 But I think this was a tragic accident.

00:21:17.000 But the most important takeaway is it's a tragic incident that's been caused by the left's strategy to harass ICE, to intimidate ICE.

00:21:25.000 And ultimately, the left wanted something like this to happen.

00:21:29.000 Their strategy is designed to produce something like this.

00:21:32.000 And I can elaborate on that.

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00:22:36.000 Blake, you were building out this idea that this is ultimately the Democrats' fault what happened in the middle of the year.

00:22:42.000 This Minneapolis shooting.

00:22:44.000 Well, let's tee it up.

00:22:45.000 So a thing that's built up to this is just this violent, there's been a growth of violent rhetoric against ICE, intended to delegitimize it as an institution.

00:22:55.000 I know we have some clips related to that.

00:22:57.000 So most recently, we had Democrat Representative Joe Morrell says there is no violent rhetoric against ICE.

00:23:02.000 He hasn't seen that anywhere.

00:23:04.000 He said there was none.

00:23:05.000 We'll show that clip 279.

00:23:07.000 Frankly, what's really frustrating about this, I saw Speaker Johnson's comments who immediately says that there's been this effort to encourage people to engage in violence with law enforcement officers.

00:23:19.000 That's not true.

00:23:20.000 I haven't seen that anywhere.

00:23:22.000 Okay, well, that's all true.

00:23:23.000 Our team whipped up a montage of some stuff.

00:23:25.000 Let's play Clip 280.

00:23:27.000 When I see ICE, I see slave patrols.

00:23:29.000 Picked up by, you know, hooded thugs in the street. 0.98

00:23:32.000 Ice, you know, thugs. 0.94

00:23:33.000 Nondescript thugs. 0.73

00:23:37.000 Like vigilantes. 1.00

00:23:38.000 ICE is a terrorist organization. 0.96

00:23:40.000 And kidnapping and disappearing people. 0.96

00:23:42.000 Stealing and yes, kidnapping people.

00:23:45.000 A vice mayor allegedly calling on gang members to defend the city from these immigration raids.

00:23:50.000 I want to know where all the cholos are at in Los Angeles. 1.00

00:23:54.000 Stop mass ICE agents from deporting our neighbors.

00:23:58.000 Every single one of them.

00:24:00.000 No matter what it takes, no matter how long it takes, will of course be identified.

00:24:04.000 Our police do not cooperate with ICE.

00:24:08.000 Our local police department will not ever cooperate with ICE.

00:24:15.000 Democrats told to get shot for the anti-Trump resistance.

00:24:19.000 There needs to be blood to grab the attention of the press and the public.

00:24:24.000 That last one is the really revealing one.

00:24:28.000 And you can find more.

00:24:29.000 You can find articles that call them the American Gestapo.

00:24:31.000 You can find tweets and Blue Sky, whatever they call a Blue Sky Post.

00:24:36.000 Like the American SS.

00:24:37.000 Oh, we have him.

00:24:38.000 Ah, I'll have to complete this afterwards with the Senate.

00:24:41.000 That's all right.

00:24:41.000 Let's jump to the Senator right now.

00:24:43.000 Senator Eric Schmidt, welcome to the show.

00:24:45.000 You are a former state AG of the great state of Missouri, and you're a lawyer.

00:24:51.000 You know, there is this whole back and forth online.

00:24:54.000 Vice President JD Vance chimed in.

00:24:57.000 I thought this was, I literally did not realize this would be a contentious point.

00:25:02.000 One of the points that the left is making is that this shooting was unjustified because this woman's a U.S. citizen and this ICE agent is not a cop.

00:25:11.000 It's an ICE agent.

00:25:12.000 So the U.S. citizens don't have to obey orders from an ICE agent. 1.00

00:25:17.000 Yeah, I don't, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. 0.96

00:25:21.000 First of all, what it appears from what I saw on the couple of angles on the video is that she was impeding efforts by ICE agents to do their jobs. 0.99

00:25:30.000 You're not supposed to be able to do that.

00:25:32.000 She was given direction to sort of stop doing that.

00:25:35.000 And then this ICE officer was struck.

00:25:38.000 And when you put that in the context of vehicular assaults up over a thousand percent across the country on ICE agents and the demonization that's happened over the course of the last year by the left against ICE agents, it's created a powder keg, guys.

00:25:52.000 Like I was in a committee hearing and talked about this.

00:25:55.000 The Democrats' rhetoric on this is insane.

00:25:57.000 But as far as this goes specifically, if the officer fears for his life or significant bodily harm, he can defend himself, which is what was happening there, right?

00:26:06.000 I mean, the angle of, you know, by the way, you notice the tires sort of skid out too, which also reveals that the car was a little bit out of sort of control.

00:26:16.000 But appears to be, from everything that I've seen, justified.

00:26:21.000 It's a tragic situation.

00:26:22.000 I mean, anytime you have a loss of life, it's a tragic situation.

00:26:25.000 But what's really strange about all this is that the Democrats, I'm surprised this hadn't happened sooner, but they continue to sort of create these conditions for confrontations with ICE agents who are supposed to do their jobs.

00:26:41.000 And one last point, like deportations are nothing new.

00:26:44.000 Like Bill Clinton deported millions of people.

00:26:48.000 What's different now is the Democrats actually in the left, they don't actually believe in borders.

00:26:53.000 They don't actually believe that anybody should ever have to go home, that once you're here, you should stay here in perpetuity.

00:27:00.000 And they've created the villains, these ICE agents who are fathers and sons and daughters and aunts and uncles who are just doing their jobs.

00:27:07.000 And what you'll never hear the left say, you'll never hear him say this, guys, is, you know what?

00:27:12.000 Step away and let the ICE agents do their jobs because they don't want them to.

00:27:16.000 They don't want them to.

00:27:17.000 So it's a terrible situation.

00:27:20.000 But yes, an American citizen has to obey orders from ICE agents when they're impeding the progress of what the ICE agents are trying to do.

00:27:29.000 And you certainly don't have the right to try to run them over.

00:27:32.000 Senator, do you think there's any potential?

00:27:34.000 We just, there's so much deliberate will to get people to go out there to harass ICE, target ICE.

00:27:41.000 We've had car, like, why did this happen?

00:27:42.000 This happened because we've already had car ramming attacks on ICE agents.

00:27:46.000 We've seen people encouraged to use cars as a weapon.

00:27:49.000 This is directly encouraged by a lot of lawmakers.

00:27:53.000 I feel at some point there's got to be room for prosecuting someone in that they are basically developing a conspiracy to sabotage federal law enforcement in their city or in their state.

00:28:06.000 Yeah.

00:28:06.000 Well, I do think that, yeah, federal prosecutors should be very aggressive in this regard to send a very clear message.

00:28:14.000 But the Democrats in the left, they're seizing on this.

00:28:18.000 And I have to say, just from a stepping away from a pure political perspective here now, they can't help themselves.

00:28:26.000 This is such a part of their DNA now.

00:28:28.000 It reminds me a lot of the kind of beginnings of the defund the police movement that then became to define their party.

00:28:35.000 This is them not wanting law enforcement to do their jobs.

00:28:38.000 They're willing to dox these people.

00:28:40.000 They're willing to, you know, try to run over them.

00:28:43.000 And then that's the, you know, then you have the Antifa element, which are sort of the foot soldiers of all this, who deliberately, you know, throw firecrackers to lure ICE agents out of federal facilities so they can be assaulted.

00:28:55.000 They have safe houses.

00:28:56.000 So you have a more organized effort with Antifa for sure, which is why we were successful in petitioning with Marco Rubio to not only have them be declared a domestic terrorist organization, but also a foreign terrorist organization to get after their funding and shut these people down internationally.

00:29:13.000 That's all part of this, but it's very coordinated.

00:29:15.000 There's no doubt they share tactics and you create dangerous situations like the one you had in Minnesota.

00:29:21.000 These are, they call them citizens observers, and they end up being, you know, harassers, stalkers of ICE agents, DHS, Border Patrol.

00:29:29.000 And they are sophisticated.

00:29:30.000 They have lawyers standing by that are paid for by a network of NGOs that are financed by God knows who.

00:29:37.000 And this is increasing.

00:29:39.000 This tactic of ramming and harassing ICE agents is increasing.

00:29:42.000 Let's hear from Secretary Noam directly on this.

00:29:44.000 299.

00:29:45.000 Today alone in this country, there have been four different domestic terrorist attacks on federal officers by the ramming of vehicles.

00:29:54.000 Three of them happened here in Minneapolis.

00:29:56.000 We've seen over 100 of these vehicle rammings happen in just recent weeks, and this must stop.

00:30:03.000 ICE alone is facing a 1,300% increase in assaults against them and an 8,000% increase in death threats against all of them.

00:30:12.000 In fact, the very same officer who was attacked today had previously been dragged by an anti-ICE rioter who had rammed him with a car and drug him back in June.

00:30:23.000 He sustained injuries at that time as well.

00:30:25.000 Yeah, this is, so it's increasing, obviously.

00:30:28.000 Here's my question for you, slightly off topic of that, though.

00:30:32.000 You have local officials.

00:30:33.000 The local police chief says he will arrest this person if he gets an order from a judge.

00:30:37.000 You have city council members that are saying this person needs to be arrested.

00:30:40.000 Lieutenant Governor is saying that it's absolutely a possibility.

00:30:43.000 So if he faces state charges, but federally, everybody's saying he's fine.

00:30:48.000 What then happens next?

00:30:49.000 Yeah.

00:30:50.000 Well, first of all, let me just point out, and I was in the Oval Office actually yesterday afternoon when this kind of news broke and was with the president and learned about even then, as Secretary Noam mentioned, that this officer in particular had been dragged just a few months ago, right?

00:31:04.000 So like this person in particular had been involved in another one of these incidents. 0.92

00:31:08.000 But to answer your sort of legal question, what'll happen if that, and I, Keith Ellison is, is a clown.

00:31:14.000 So I would imagine that the temptation for him not to show the restraint that you're supposed to as an attorney general.

00:31:21.000 I mean, I wrote a book, The Last Line of Defense on all the stuff I did as Attorney General.

00:31:24.000 You could write another book on all the things you didn't do because you want people in those positions that have some regard for the law, right?

00:31:31.000 Because it's a very powerful position.

00:31:33.000 So, if he does charge the officer, what will happen then is that case, because of their federal agents, would likely be removed to federal court.

00:31:43.000 So, because of supremacy clauses issues, that would likely be removed, and then he would have all the defenses available he would in the federal court system.

00:31:50.000 So, I don't think there's any chance that this would stay in state court, quite frankly.

00:31:55.000 But that might be the move that Ellison wants.

00:31:57.000 We'll see.

00:31:58.000 This whole incident takes place, obviously, upon this Somali backdrop, the fraud rings. 1.00

00:32:04.000 You are introducing legislation to be able to denaturalize people that become citizens.

00:32:09.000 Tell us about it.

00:32:10.000 Yeah, it's called the Scam Act.

00:32:11.000 And I think what we've seen in Minneapolis, and by the way, I think it's probably just the tip of the iceberg, but particularly in the Somali strongholds across the country, you've seen this kind of abuse with this really kind of pathological. 0.92

00:32:22.000 There ought to be a response, and the response should be swift.

00:32:25.000 So, one, we should move forward with stricter fraud controls as a condition for being able to accept money.

00:32:31.000 There needs to be greater verification of who's actually getting the money, right?

00:32:36.000 That seems very obvious to like a normal person, but it isn't actually baked in in a lot of these blue states because governors don't want to do that.

00:32:42.000 We should insist that as federal dollars go out the door.

00:32:44.000 Secondly, there ought to be real prosecutions.

00:32:47.000 Like at DOJ, like make this a priority and send a very important message to these immigrant communities who think they can fleece taxpayers.

00:32:55.000 But what my bill does specifically, it says that if you're part of one of these efforts or you're involved in a violent felony or you're involved in other kinds of felonies that we list in the legislation we're filing this week, you will be denaturalized.

00:33:09.000 If it's proven that you did that, you're denaturalized.

00:33:11.000 And it's a 15-year look back, right?

00:33:13.000 There isn't currently anything on the books that will allow this.

00:33:16.000 So, that's what we're moving forward with.

00:33:17.000 They are scamming the system.

00:33:19.000 You're introducing legislation that they could be, their citizenship could be stripped.

00:33:24.000 Correct.

00:33:25.000 That's absolutely correct.

00:33:26.000 I think that's where we're at right now because, you know, we talk so much about illegal immigration, and we should.

00:33:33.000 Thankfully, we have a border, but there's deportations closed border and we have to have deportations. 0.93

00:33:37.000 But we don't talk enough about legal immigration, right?

00:33:40.000 And the abuses that are taking place, whether it's H-1B or the OPT program, which we're sort of working on to try to get that reined in because there's a lot of abuse.

00:33:48.000 But in this instance, where someone's been naturalized and they claim that they're going to be good citizens and have good character, there really isn't a good mechanism right now that if you're not that person you say you're going to be, that you would be denaturalized and sent back home.

00:34:01.000 That's what this legislation will do.

00:34:02.000 It'll say, look, if you're part of these scams, if you join a cartel, if you are involved in a violent felony, guess what?

00:34:10.000 We're going to denaturalize you and send you back where you came from. 1.00

00:34:13.000 Well, I 100% support it.

00:34:16.000 Is there any chance of it passing?

00:34:18.000 I mean, we'll see.

00:34:19.000 We're going to have a House partner.

00:34:21.000 Hopefully the House would move it quickly and then we'll try to move forward in the Senate on it.

00:34:25.000 I mean, look, we have to have a response to this kind of stuff.

00:34:29.000 But, you know, I worry the Democrats are still in for this mass migration criteria for their party.

00:34:35.000 It's in their DNA, but we're going to work hard on it.

00:34:37.000 Well, I mean, I worry about Republicans, too.

00:34:41.000 You're one of the great ones.

00:34:43.000 I guess that's right.

00:34:44.000 Yeah.

00:34:45.000 Senator, we have your back 100%.

00:34:47.000 Keep pushing this.

00:34:48.000 It's important if we don't get it this round, keep expanding the Overton window.

00:34:52.000 Thank you, sir.

00:34:52.000 Thank you for making this.

00:34:53.000 Thanks, guys.

00:34:53.000 Thanks for all you do.

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00:36:06.000 Yeah, Blake, let's close the loop here really quick because you were winding up on this Minnesota topic.

00:36:12.000 I want to let you go off here.

00:36:13.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:14.000 So we were just before the senator came on, we were talking about the violence, you know, the violent rhetoric against ICE, the really hateful stuff, American Gestapo, American SS.

00:36:24.000 And that montage we played ended on, let's throw up picture 291.

00:36:30.000 It's that line.

00:36:31.000 What you need to do is you need to be willing to get shot when you're visiting these ICE facilities or when you're harassing these agents.

00:36:39.000 They psyched these people up. 0.93

00:36:41.000 Are you prepared to be shot?

00:36:43.000 This is this violent rhetoric.

00:36:45.000 And the thought, the comparison that actually came to mind, a friend of mine made it and it was really brilliant, was he said the left's rhetoric against ICE is a lot like the strategy used by Hamas in Gaza.

00:36:59.000 And so what they do is they do two things simultaneously.

00:37:03.000 They promote actual violence against ICE or, you know, in the case against the IDF.

00:37:09.000 They do actual violent stuff, but they also encourage more normal rank and file people to do really provocative and edge case behavior.

00:37:18.000 So get in their face, like rub up against them, do all this stuff that's right to the line.

00:37:24.000 Swear, cut. 0.99

00:37:25.000 Swear, get in their face. 0.77

00:37:26.000 And they take the non-violent people and they make them go as close to the border of violence as possible.

00:37:33.000 And what they're basically doing is they're intentionally trying to engineer a situation like this.

00:37:38.000 Read the news.

00:37:39.000 You can easily find examples of this.

00:37:41.000 You've had ramming attacks on ICE agents in Chicago.

00:37:44.000 You've had these criminal blockades against ICE operations all over. 0.54

00:37:48.000 And you have people saying, oh, shoot them, do stuff.

00:37:50.000 In fact, we learned today the agent who was involved in this shooting last year was hospitalized because he was trying to stop an illegal alien and he got dragged in their car.

00:38:00.000 Like he put his hand through the door and they drove and they dragged him.

00:38:04.000 That was probably going through his mind as this was unfolding here.

00:38:07.000 And so what they've been doing is they're trying to engineer a situation where everyone's jumpy.

00:38:12.000 This is what, like I said, I made the Hamas comparison for a reason. 1.00

00:38:16.000 What they'll do is they encourage people.

00:38:19.000 Any person who's in the IDF knows, okay, these guys could be a suicide bomber.

00:38:23.000 They could have a hidden gun.

00:38:24.000 They could do something.

00:38:26.000 Or they might just be one of the gazillions of people who are trying to get in our face and do all this disruptive stuff.

00:38:32.000 And they do this in a calculated effort where they know this will eventually lead to unfortunate situations where someone gets shot who wasn't a suicide bomber, who wasn't armed.

00:38:41.000 And they do this for a cynical calculated reason.

00:38:43.000 They're using these people as human shields.

00:38:45.000 They are trying to create PR victories.

00:38:49.000 And that is what has happened here.

00:38:51.000 People on the left deliberately encouraged activities like what this woman did because they know it could eventually result in someone getting shot.

00:39:00.000 If they didn't want people shot, they would say, we're going to protest deportations.

00:39:05.000 We're going to protest against the Trump administration's immigration policies, but don't get in ICE's way.

00:39:11.000 Allow ICE to do their work.

00:39:13.000 They are the government and you allow police to do their stuff to avoid violence.

00:39:17.000 And instead, they have done the opposite.

00:39:19.000 They have gotten in the face of these people because they want something like this to happen.

00:39:24.000 These people wanted this woman to die.

00:39:26.000 They planned for this to happen.

00:39:28.000 They are strategizing on how to exploit it.

00:39:30.000 They are secretly very happy that this occurred because it is politically useful to them.

00:39:37.000 And they are the ones who are responsible for this happening.

00:39:40.000 It is not ICE.

00:39:41.000 ICE is doing their job.

00:39:42.000 The people who are responsible for this are the ones who instigated this woman and others to sabotage valid law enforcement, to get in the way of valid law enforcement, and to cause incidents where someone could die.

00:39:56.000 Period.

00:39:57.000 And we can't back off from that point, regardless of how this exact situation went down.

00:40:01.000 I felt the very same way when George Floyd was killed.

00:40:05.000 Exactly.

00:40:07.000 It shows the improvement of how we've our understanding of the left's tactics compared to 2020.

00:40:13.000 Yeah, we've built up immunities to it.

00:40:14.000 327, can you throw that up?

00:40:16.000 ICE agent who opened fire on Renee Goode was dragged, hospitalized by a legal migrant driver last year.

00:40:22.000 You mentioned this.

00:40:23.000 This was, it's been proven, documented.

00:40:26.000 That shows that this is a repeat action that they're trying to get in their face.

00:40:30.000 They keep ramming.

00:40:31.000 They keep harassing.

00:40:32.000 They're all these people to flee.

00:40:34.000 You've got these flights.

00:40:35.000 You've got if they want every ICE agent to feel jumpy and worried.

00:40:39.000 And that's what causes shootings in the end.

00:40:42.000 And we don't know that this is a mistake necessarily, but it causes unfortunate incidents to happen.

00:40:47.000 Exactly.

00:40:48.000 And I kind of agree with you.

00:40:49.000 I don't believe that this woman was trying to run him over necessarily, but she was willing to take a car, hit the gas so fast that it would spin out to try and flee from them and to hell with where she was pointing. 0.96

00:41:00.000 She didn't seem to care at that moment because she just went to the middle of the day. 0.96

00:41:03.000 They'd psyched her up.

00:41:04.000 Oh, these masked men will kidnap you and discuss them.

00:41:07.000 Gestapo's coming for you.

00:41:08.000 The Gestapo's coming after you.

00:41:09.000 As opposed to ICE are real police.

00:41:13.000 If they order you to do something, you have to listen.

00:41:16.000 And like a normal thing, a normal reaction that the right has to learn to say is if you do not listen to what police tell you and ICE are police, you may die.

00:41:26.000 That is part of life.

00:41:27.000 If you don't listen to police, you might die.

00:41:29.000 That is a consequence of ignoring valid law enforcement.

00:41:32.000 That's well said. 1.00

00:41:33.000 Her sole purpose of being there was to block the road.

00:41:35.000 Yes. 0.97

00:41:36.000 Impeding, obstructing, harassing, potentially attacking.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 08, 2026

The Real People To Blame For the ICE Shooting

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