The Charlie Kirk Show - The Real Truth About Clarence Thomas + RFK’s Scary SCOTUS Pick

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, we talk to someone who knows Clarence Thomas very well as Clarence Thomas is under attack and we reflect on our RFK Jr. discussion.

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00:02:32.000 Joining us now is Chris Hoare, spokesman for Satellite Phone Store.

00:02:36.000 That is satellitephone store.com, one of our favorite partners here.

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00:02:42.000 Chris, welcome back to the program.

00:02:44.000 Thanks for having me back, Charlie.

00:02:45.000 It's great to be here.

00:02:46.000 What a great Christmas gift, by the way, this could be for people.

00:02:49.000 I just thought of that.

00:02:51.000 And it's really unique and really special.

00:02:53.000 So just remind our audience about sat123.com, what you guys stand for, and let's get into the details.

00:03:00.000 Well, Charlie, what we really stand for is making sure that people have communications no matter what is going on in any disaster, in any emergency, when the cell towers are down, when the power is out, your cell phone's not going to work.

00:03:12.000 But a satellite phone works because it talks directly to the satellites in the sky.

00:03:17.000 So it can always receive calls and always make calls no matter where you are.

00:03:21.000 If you're in the middle of the ocean, you're in the middle of the desert, you're in the middle of downtown Denver where my cell phone doesn't work that well.

00:03:27.000 You know, your satellite phone is always going to work because it communicates directly with the satellites in the sky.

00:03:33.000 And Charlie, these phones used to cost like $5,000, $10,000, and the price has come down a little bit over the last 20 years.

00:03:39.000 But at sat123.com, we're giving them away for free with activation.

00:03:43.000 And they are a great Christmas gift, as you just said, because this is giving the gift of life.

00:03:49.000 If Someone is in a disaster, whether it's a hurricane or a terrorist attack, or they're just off-road and they have no cell service and they have an accident when they're hiking.

00:03:58.000 This can save your life.

00:04:00.000 You can make a call or receive a call no matter where you are, Charlie.

00:04:03.000 As long as you can see the sky, you can make a receiver call or send or receive a text.

00:04:08.000 Oh, I'm going to take advantage of this in 2024.

00:04:11.000 You're trying to tell me I can make a phone call from an airplane?

00:04:13.000 Is that right?

00:04:15.000 Yes, you can.

00:04:16.000 And it wasn't legal last time I tried it, but I did turn on my phone at 30,000 feet and I got a connection.

00:04:23.000 And, you know, so I shut it off at that point.

00:04:26.000 But look, if you think back to 9-11 and things like that, you know, some people could get cell phone calls out when they were very close to the ground on that horrible day.

00:04:34.000 But if someone had a sat phone in one of those planes, it might have made a difference.

00:04:37.000 I don't know, Charlie, but it certainly gives you an option and an alternative.

00:04:41.000 Yeah, so in years past, I've tried to get a satellite phone, and the process was convoluted and difficult.

00:04:47.000 And you had to get different carriers and sign off.

00:04:50.000 You guys have made it very simple at sat123.com.

00:04:53.000 Talk about that.

00:04:55.000 Yeah, no, we really have.

00:04:57.000 You just give us a call at 941-955-1020 or go to sat123.com.

00:05:02.000 You click right at the top there.

00:05:03.000 You've got buy now.

00:05:04.000 We've got a free Marsat sat phone with an extra battery.

00:05:07.000 So that's over $1,000 you're getting for free, Charlie.

00:05:10.000 And then it's just $95 a month after that.

00:05:13.000 You get 100 minutes with that, which you can use to call anywhere.

00:05:17.000 It's one big area code for the whole planet.

00:05:20.000 And if you don't use those minutes, they roll over.

00:05:24.000 So, you know, if you don't use it for a few months and then you need to, suddenly you have a disaster emergency going on, you're going to have a bunch of minutes lined up.

00:05:30.000 So it's very, very useful for that.

00:05:33.000 And it really can save your life.

00:05:34.000 There's this growing narrative that it might be the end of the world as we know it.

00:05:38.000 There's this new Obama Netflix movie about the end of the world.

00:05:42.000 I think what is the name of that movie?

00:05:45.000 It's called Leave the World Behind.

00:05:47.000 Kind of strange.

00:05:48.000 And so, I mean, I don't want to play into some of the alarmism.

00:05:52.000 I'm a major prepper, by the way.

00:05:54.000 The media always makes fun of me for that, but I'm going to eat and be able to make phone calls, and they're going to be in the streets.

00:06:00.000 So in what ways do satellite phone, just like go through the technology of it.

00:06:04.000 I know you mentioned this.

00:06:05.000 How do they protect against tracking and eavesdropping in particular?

00:06:08.000 Well, as you know, a cell phone basically is a government tracking device.

00:06:12.000 They know where you are at all times.

00:06:14.000 They can tell where you've been, where you are, what you're saying, and all of that.

00:06:18.000 With a sat phone, the closest you can track someone is 50 square miles.

00:06:22.000 Now, Charlie, I don't know about you, but I lose my remote control on the couch.

00:06:26.000 So 50 square miles is a huge area and it makes it extremely difficult, basically impossible for anyone to track you.

00:06:34.000 And tracking is a major problem, and so is privacy, as you know.

00:06:38.000 Yeah, so what are the details on the current offer that you guys have for the Inmarsat LSAT satellite phone on a 15-month agreement?

00:06:47.000 It's just, you pay $95.99 a month.

00:06:51.000 That's it for 15 months.

00:06:53.000 For that, you get those 100 minutes a month, and they can roll over as well.

00:06:58.000 We can also get you a USA phone number.

00:07:01.000 So you can just give out what looks like a cell phone number to anyone, and they can call that, and it'll go right to your sat phone.

00:07:06.000 And that is about it.

00:07:08.000 Say, it's very, very simple.

00:07:09.000 You buy now or you just on sat123.com or call 9419551020.

00:07:14.000 We will hook you up.

00:07:15.000 And if you call us today, we can even get this phone in time for you for Christmas.

00:07:20.000 So, you know, and if you want to get a gift for yourself and your wife or your kids or whatever it is, you can get two sat phones for free and you pay just $179 a month and you get 200 minutes and so on.

00:07:30.000 But yeah, call us today and we'll get them to you before Christmas.

00:07:33.000 So your customers, they're coming in, SAT 123.

00:07:36.000 What are they telling you about what they want most right now?

00:07:39.000 What are you hearing from the audience?

00:07:42.000 Well, what I'm hearing a lot of is this worry over and concerns over privacy.

00:07:46.000 Obviously, they just renewed the Pfizer Act.

00:07:48.000 The government can just kind of basically go into your phone and search it without a warrant, and that's your cell phone.

00:07:52.000 But a satellite phone makes all of that a lot more difficult.

00:07:55.000 You know, there's no camera on these phones, so you can't be watched.

00:07:58.000 You know, they really do add a big layer of security that you don't get on a cell phone.

00:08:03.000 So, privacy is basically the number one thing.

00:08:06.000 And then, this worry about what's going to happen if the government decides, you know what, we have this threat and we're just going to shut down the cell networks for now for your own protection.

00:08:15.000 As that's what happens in wartime, right?

00:08:17.000 It's for your own good.

00:08:18.000 They limit the press and they limit your personal freedoms.

00:08:21.000 And so, this is a way to fight back against that.

00:08:23.000 And that's what people are most concerned about right now.

00:08:26.000 So, you mentioned some of the promotional stuff.

00:08:28.000 What is the cost structure, including monthly fees and minutes and texts?

00:08:34.000 So, basically, you're paying two months up front, and then that's it.

00:08:38.000 And then you're going to after two months, you're just going to be billed the $95.99 a month.

00:08:44.000 If you go over, you know, you will be billed a little more.

00:08:47.000 But again, with these rollover minutes, most people are not going over their minutes because they're not using these phones every day, right?

00:08:53.000 I mean, yeah, you should take this phone with you when you go hiking, when you go skiing or snowboarding or whatever it is.

00:08:58.000 You're going hunting, fishing, you know, that's when you're going to have it with you.

00:09:02.000 But, you know, as long as nothing happens, you won't need to use it.

00:09:05.000 But if something does happen, it will absolutely get you out of a jam.

00:09:09.000 The website is sat123.com.

00:09:12.000 Let's take a look at current events.

00:09:13.000 Are there any stories that have you concerned? 1.00

00:09:14.000 We know the Chinese are hacking our grid and our information system. 1.00

00:09:18.000 What are you seeing out there that our audience should be aware of? 1.00

00:09:21.000 Well, you know, we work with a lot of the big utility companies, and what they're seeing is that multiple drone sightings around these power stations.

00:09:30.000 They're seeing outages they can't explain.

00:09:32.000 You know, and all of this affects, of course, everyday electricity supply, but it affects the cell towers as well.

00:09:38.000 You know, so cybersecurity is a massive problem.

00:09:42.000 And, you know, clearly the cell phone networks are a huge target for whether it's Iran or China or Russia, whatever it is, because they know if they take out a cell phone network, as happened in Australia recently, one of Optus, the number two carrier there, took out that their network was taken down, and they are not giving any details about that.

00:10:00.000 But certainly, it seems like that might have been some bad actors.

00:10:04.000 But half the country was without cell phone service for up to three days.

00:10:08.000 Now, people get panicked when they leave their cell phone at home.

00:10:11.000 Imagine not having that phone or being able to communicate for three days.

00:10:15.000 You know, it happened in Australia. 0.88

00:10:16.000 That's a first world country.

00:10:18.000 You know, if it happened there, it can happen here.

00:10:20.000 So, in closing, here, I mean, I just want to emphasize the Christmas is a few days away.

00:10:26.000 Will people be able to receive these phones in time put under the tree, potentially?

00:10:30.000 Yes, 100%.

00:10:31.000 They can call 941-955-1020, or they can go to sat123.com, place your order today, or give us a call today, Charlie, and we will make sure we get you that phone before Christmas.

00:10:42.000 Yeah, so and so it's sat123.com.

00:10:45.000 They need to be prepared for this.

00:10:46.000 Just closing thoughts, Chris, about 45 seconds remaining.

00:10:49.000 Look, you know, as with all prepping, you know, the way it works is you get prepared before something happens, not when it's happening or afterwards.

00:10:59.000 You know, there's very few of these phones made every year, just a couple of hundred thousand.

00:11:02.000 Is any kind of disaster?

00:11:04.000 They're sold out immediately and they're gone.

00:11:05.000 So don't wait.

00:11:06.000 You know, get your free phone today with activation and feel safe this Christmas.

00:11:11.000 Thank you so much, Chris.

00:11:12.000 Really appreciate it.

00:11:13.000 Thank you so much.

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00:12:18.000 Let's talk about Iowa.

00:12:20.000 Iowa is an awesome place, but it's a tricky, tricky political terrain.

00:12:25.000 Polls can be very deceiving.

00:12:27.000 A caucus is different than a primary.

00:12:29.000 It's all about who shows up.

00:12:31.000 Here's the way a caucus works. 0.70

00:12:33.000 And I've been to a caucus before: you'll meet in a church or a school, and you have to be there at 6 p.m.

00:12:39.000 You cannot pre-vote.

00:12:40.000 You cannot early vote.

00:12:41.000 There's no mail-in voting.

00:12:43.000 And you line up outside.

00:12:44.000 They say, all right, come on in.

00:12:45.000 Come on in.

00:12:46.000 And you file in and file in and file in.

00:12:47.000 And everyone's there.

00:12:48.000 And they say, okay, now it is the beginning of the caucus.

00:12:50.000 Every candidate who is on the ballot has a representative that can give a speech.

00:12:55.000 And so Nikki Nimerata Haley's Lockheed Martin friend is going to say, I think Nimerata is the best choice for Iowa.

00:13:02.000 And Ron DeSantis' person will come up.

00:13:04.000 And Donald Trump, they have surrogates, if you will.

00:13:08.000 And so each one gets 90 seconds to two minutes, vote for Trump, vote for this, and vote for that, and then they vote.

00:13:14.000 And they literally, it's on the back of a piece of paper, a little thing.

00:13:17.000 It's very unofficial.

00:13:19.000 And they put it in, and then the tablator says, okay, three, Trump.

00:13:22.000 And yeah, no, no, that.

00:13:24.000 And so people can change their mind right there.

00:13:26.000 All these kind of DeSantis pledge cards or Trump pledge cards or polls, it's very fickle, everybody.

00:13:33.000 And Iowa has been known for years to shock pollsters.

00:13:38.000 Now, the most accurate poll is the Des Moines Register poll that happens the weekend before the Iowa caucus.

00:13:48.000 Everybody, this is really important.

00:13:50.000 We are, I'm going to, I'm just going to tell you right now, we are on.

00:13:54.000 I hope you guys get a great Christmas.

00:13:56.000 I hope you guys get a lot of rest.

00:13:58.000 I hope you guys get filled with get your batteries filled because you're going to need it, everybody.

00:14:06.000 January 15th, let's see.

00:14:09.000 We have 24 days.

00:14:11.000 We are 24 days out from the Iowa caucus, everybody.

00:14:14.000 Now, yes, weather can be a factor, but honestly, in Iowa, they're used to snow and stuff.

00:14:18.000 So unless it's unbelievably bad, they're going to show up for the caucus.

00:14:23.000 Donald Trump's going to win the Iowa caucus.

00:14:25.000 I'm rather certain.

00:14:26.000 He's going to win New Hampshire, but by how much?

00:14:30.000 If they can't beat Donald Trump, what if they can make a win look like a loss?

00:14:36.000 And I'm afraid we are falling for this.

00:14:38.000 Way too many people are falling for this right now.

00:14:41.000 It's all about expectations.

00:14:44.000 So Donald Trump would be, I think, wise, and this is what I'm counseling him to do privately and publicly, to say, look, this race is getting close.

00:14:53.000 Now, he doesn't want to say that because he wants to say that the primary is over, but then if he wins by 30 points, which he might, by the way, he could win by 10 or he could win by 35.

00:15:03.000 We don't know.

00:15:04.000 Now, the Colorado Supreme Court thing really helps Trump.

00:15:08.000 But imagine people think that Trump is going to win by 40 points.

00:15:14.000 And Iowa being very hard to predict and very tricky.

00:15:17.000 And I'm talking to people on the ground in Iowa, and they say this thing is a lot closer than you might think.

00:15:22.000 There's a lot of undecided.

00:15:23.000 You know, Iowins, they need to be courted.

00:15:26.000 They don't like being told what to do.

00:15:28.000 And what if Trump wins by 11?

00:15:31.000 The media would say, Donald Trump underperforms in the first state.

00:15:35.000 He wins by 11.

00:15:37.000 Or what if he wins by single digits?

00:15:38.000 What if he wins by eight, which by the way would be historically good?

00:15:43.000 A new poll out of New Hampshire shows something quite interesting.

00:15:48.000 A new poll out of New Hampshire shows that, and it could be a trash poll, I don't know, shows that Donald Trump is up 14 points on Nikki Haley, the St. Anselm poll.

00:16:01.000 Another poll that was released last night, which is relatively a garbage poll, showed that Nikki Haley was down four points.

00:16:08.000 People don't like that poll.

00:16:10.000 Said, okay.

00:16:11.000 You kind of see what's going on here.

00:16:13.000 Here's the media narrative.

00:16:14.000 I'm going to walk you through it.

00:16:15.000 It's very simple.

00:16:16.000 Make the win look like a loss and go all in on South Carolina.

00:16:22.000 They have cleared the field.

00:16:23.000 Tim Scott went out and Nikki Haley is the former governor of South Carolina.

00:16:29.000 So they want to make Iowa's win look like a loss because the expectations have been set so generously.

00:16:35.000 They want to make the New Hampshire win look like a loss because the expectations have been set so high.

00:16:41.000 Donald Trump will almost certainly win both by how much we don't know.

00:16:45.000 And then South Carolina will come and Nikki Haley might overperform there as well. 1.00

00:16:50.000 What I'm getting at is there's two different primaries going on.

00:16:54.000 The primary of the actual reflection of the votes and the expectations and how people spin that.

00:17:02.000 It's going to be rocking.

00:17:04.000 And by the way, make a little note, make a little note.

00:17:07.000 24 days from now, make sure you guys watch the Charlie Kirk Show live stream.

00:17:11.000 We are going to have the best Iowa caucus coverage ever.

00:17:14.000 We'll be going late into the night.

00:17:15.000 So make sure you guys make plans to watch us on January 15th.

00:17:21.000 That Monday is going to be historic.

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00:18:16.000 Joining us now is Mark Pauletta, a senior fellow at the Center for Renewing America and also a personal friend of Justice Thomas.

00:18:25.000 There is a New York Times article, which is, it actually ties beautifully to a story that I've been wanting to hit for a couple weeks now, which is just how the Senate is treating Clarence Thomas and Leonard Leo.

00:18:36.000 Clarence Thomas threatened to resign over salary concerns in 2000.

00:18:40.000 The justice set off a scramble by a lawmaker to find a way to raise his pay.

00:18:44.000 What on earth is this all about?

00:18:46.000 The continued targeting of my favorite justice on the Supreme Court.

00:18:50.000 Mark, what is going on here?

00:18:52.000 Charlie, it's just, thanks for having me on.

00:18:54.000 It's just the nonstop for 40 years attack on Justice Thomas, who is a good friend of mine, a dear friend of mine, our greatest justice, our greatest living American.

00:19:04.000 And it's all a lie. 0.55

00:19:05.000 And in fact, ProPublica first came out with this garbage a couple days ago, where they had this story that allegedly Clarence Thomas had had a conversation with a congressman. 0.91

00:19:15.000 And in the ProPublica story, they don't even say that Clarence Thomas threatened to resign or raise concerns over his pay. 0.82

00:19:22.000 It was that the congressman inferred it from their conversation.

00:19:25.000 But what happens?

00:19:26.000 The New York Times, which in this case is even worse than ProPublica, right?

00:19:30.000 Who have lied, they've lied repeatedly about Justice Thomas.

00:19:33.000 They go along and say, oh, no, he complained about his pay and threatened to resign.

00:19:37.000 It's all a lie.

00:19:38.000 I've known Justice Thomas since 1989.

00:19:42.000 Okay, worked out his confirmation.

00:19:44.000 I vacationed with him.

00:19:46.000 I spent the holidays with him and his wife and my family very close to him, shoot the breeze all the time with him.

00:19:52.000 He has never once, ever once mentioned complaining about his pay or threatening to resign.

00:19:59.000 What I recall about his service on the court or how long he would stay is after they smeared him right in 1991 with Anita Hill's lies.

00:20:08.000 After that, he was 43 years old when he was confirmed.

00:20:11.000 And he said, they took away the first 43 years of my life and I'm going to serve 43 years on this court.

00:20:18.000 So that's 11 more years.

00:20:20.000 He's at, I think, 32 years and 60 days on the Supreme Court, our 11th longest serving justice.

00:20:27.000 My view, he's never going to retire.

00:20:30.000 He's going to be on the bench as long as his health permits.

00:20:33.000 He's in the best shape in many, many years.

00:20:36.000 I just saw him this week.

00:20:38.000 And it's just a crazy narrative that they want to drive.

00:20:44.000 This narrative was that Justice Thomas complained about his pay, threatened to resign, and then people ran around trying to make him happy.

00:20:51.000 It's all a lie.

00:20:53.000 And they continue to do this, continue to invent these stories.

00:20:57.000 You mentioned the Senate.

00:20:59.000 What are they investigating Justice Thomas for?

00:21:01.000 His friendships, right?

00:21:03.000 What do they not care about the Democrats?

00:21:05.000 Hunter Biden selling access to communist countries, right?

00:21:10.000 But they're all upset about Justice Thomas hanging out with his friends at their homes and traveling with them. 0.54

00:21:17.000 That's the crime here.

00:21:20.000 But it's typical.

00:21:21.000 I've been doing this for more than 30 years in terms of working with Justice Thomas to defend his reputation or working on my own to defend Justice Thomas's reputation.

00:21:32.000 And the left just hates him.

00:21:33.000 They hate him.

00:21:35.000 Why do you think they hate him so much?

00:21:37.000 I mean, I had RFK in the studio here the other day, and we have this massive frame picture, Clarence Thomas, by the way.

00:21:44.000 And RFK sits down and he says, he says, I bet that drives the left crazy.

00:21:48.000 And I said, why do you, and I asked him, I said, why do you think that is?

00:21:52.000 And RFK said, well, it's very obvious people on the left don't think that blacks can be independent thinkers.

00:22:00.000 What do you think about that?

00:22:01.000 That's RFK's comment privately.

00:22:03.000 Yeah.

00:22:04.000 Yeah, that's amazing.

00:22:06.000 Yeah.

00:22:07.000 I've been saying this.

00:22:08.000 I've testified in Congress to this.

00:22:10.000 I've written extensively on this.

00:22:11.000 Justice Thomas is a Black conservative and the left believes.

00:22:15.000 My view is he triggers the left's racism.

00:22:18.000 He exposes their views that people have to think a certain way based on the color of their skin. 0.98

00:22:26.000 And it's so disgusting, Charlie.

00:22:28.000 I've been doing, like I said, when we went through the confirmation and the cartoons or the news coverage of him is just, you know, he dares to have his own views and he doesn't bend.

00:22:41.000 He has never bent.

00:22:42.000 And they tried to destroy him in 1991.

00:22:44.000 So it's one of those things, you know, the left, you know, it was an existential threat, really in part, right, to the liberal black leadership, right?

00:22:52.000 And if you look at it, Charlie, this is what gets me so, and I've testified to this, gets me so upset on almost every single issue from affirmative action to abortion to voter ID to even abortion. 0.90

00:23:05.000 You know, Black Americans are much more in line with Clarence Thomas, right, than they are with the liberal black leadership. 0.97

00:23:12.000 So they need to destroy him because he's a threat. 1.00

00:23:15.000 He's a threat to them, right? 0.99

00:23:16.000 And the black leadership, the liberal black leadership gets all their funding, right, from white progressive groups. 0.88

00:23:22.000 So they push all these issues that are not, in fact, what black Americans, you know, the great majority of them believe. 0.97

00:23:30.000 So that's the, you know, the game here, in my view. 0.60

00:23:35.000 And so, you know, as justice Thomas said actually, during his confirmation right, he was overwhelmingly supported, right during his confirmation, by by the American people okay, in 1991, including black Americans.

00:23:49.000 But who opposed him? 0.99

00:23:50.000 The Naacp. 1.00

00:23:52.000 How absurd is that, right? 1.00

00:23:54.000 An incredible story.

00:23:55.000 And and for your listeners, your viewers, Justice Thomas was born into segregation in 1948 in the Deep South, into abject poverty.

00:24:04.000 Right, his mom was a maid to white families. 0.98

00:24:07.000 His father left when he was two years old. 0.80

00:24:08.000 He was born in a shack right, with one light bulb and nothing else.

00:24:13.000 No, no indoor plumbing.

00:24:15.000 Okay, in Pinpoint Georgia, on the swamps on the marsh of of southern Georgia um, and he moves in with his grandfather because his mom couldn't take care of him.

00:24:26.000 Right, his grandfather is born in 1907 in the Deep South uh, and raises him and sends him to a Catholic school, and it changes his life, both his grandfather and and the nuns at this Catholic school.

00:24:39.000 This is an incredible American story.

00:24:41.000 He should be celebrated from the rooftops right, and what do they do?

00:24:44.000 They malign him at every turn.

00:24:46.000 I think there's a story.

00:24:47.000 And again, the stories change every single day.

00:24:49.000 Or there are more stories every single day.

00:24:51.000 I think Ruth Marcus has a story today that because Genie Thomas said that uh, the the 2020 elections was was a heist.

00:25:00.000 Where she's expressed concern about Clarence.

00:25:02.000 Thomas must uh recuse.

00:25:03.000 And you know what I do think that's racist why?

00:25:06.000 Because a liberal judge named judge Reinhart, on the ninth circuit, had a case before him.

00:25:11.000 Right, uh called it was the same-sex marriage case, same-sex ban uh case under the California constitution, and his wife was the head of the ACLU chapter in southern California.

00:25:21.000 Right, she was very vocal against this.

00:25:24.000 This uh, this uh constitutional initiative in California.

00:25:28.000 Her organization filed two briefs in the court below that case goes up to judge Reinhart and guess what?

00:25:34.000 He doesn't recuse himself.

00:25:35.000 He says, my, my wife's views aren't my views.

00:25:38.000 Right, and guess what?

00:25:39.000 The leading judicial ethics experts in the United States, including Stephen Gillers, who's still around today this was in 2011.

00:25:46.000 This case was said.

00:25:47.000 If you think that he's going to be influenced by his wife's view, you're living in the 15th century.

00:25:53.000 These views are so antiquated. 0.99

00:25:55.000 You're a you know, a misogynist, you're a sexist.

00:25:58.000 And yet here it is with Genni Thomas, who doesn't even file a a a a suit right, or involved in the brief. 0.78

00:26:04.000 You know she doesn't do anything legal. 1.00

00:26:06.000 She expressed an opinion in the political world and somehow Clarence Thomas has to recuse.

00:26:10.000 Why is that?

00:26:11.000 Because they think that he is overly influenced by his wife.

00:26:15.000 Right, and that's the.

00:26:16.000 That is my view.

00:26:18.000 The racism runs along a lot, a lot of these attacks.

00:26:22.000 Is Clarence Thomas in the Black History Museum, the African American History Museum?

00:26:26.000 Charlie, glad you brought that up.

00:26:28.000 Uh, but it was first opened in 2016, I think it was.

00:26:32.000 He was not in there.

00:26:33.000 I'll tell you.

00:26:34.000 I'll tell you.

00:26:34.000 He was not in there.

00:26:35.000 You know who was in there?

00:26:35.000 Anita Hill three times.

00:26:37.000 And you know what I did?

00:26:38.000 I sat outside that museum because, if you recall, when it first opened up, it was so busy that you had to reserve a ticket.

00:26:46.000 I went there at 5 a.m in the morning to sit on the Sidewalk so I could go in, because I heard that he wasn't in there.

00:26:52.000 And I took videos of the exhibit.

00:26:55.000 Thurgood Marshall, of course, massive display of him, exhibition of him.

00:27:01.000 Anita Hill, three different things that were on her in that museum and nothing about Clarence Thomas.

00:27:07.000 Okay.

00:27:08.000 So there was a lot of press and a lot of heat.

00:27:11.000 I've heard President Obama did not want him in the African American Museum.

00:27:19.000 And after about a year, they put something in there.

00:27:22.000 He's our greatest living American.

00:27:24.000 He's our greatest black American.

00:27:27.000 He's the longest, you know, he's the 11th longest serving justice in our history, right?

00:27:32.000 The longest is about four years.

00:27:33.000 He's got this incredible record, 700 opinions.

00:27:36.000 If you think about the court, Charlie, and where they are going on every single case, the important cases, right?

00:27:42.000 From abortion, religious liberties, affirmative action, the Second Amendment, the administrative state, right?

00:27:49.000 This awful administrative straight.

00:27:51.000 Who has led the way for 30 years on those cases where he was writing dissents, including in the Casey case back on abortion at Rutter on affirmative action?

00:28:02.000 He was in dissent in 2003.

00:28:05.000 Clarence Thomas.

00:28:06.000 He has laid out a body of work that the justices, the current justices, the majority of the originalist, are using to change the face of American jurisprudence.

00:28:16.000 And it all goes back to Clarence Thomas.

00:28:18.000 And yet, going back to your thing, there are cartoons of him shining Justice Scalia's shoes, right?

00:28:26.000 That he was, you know, a puppet of Justice Scalia, the most racist stuff you can imagine, right?

00:28:32.000 And the left thinks this is acceptable.

00:28:35.000 And so, so it's the Thomas court.

00:28:39.000 They go after him.

00:28:40.000 They will continue to go after him.

00:28:42.000 You know, God bless him.

00:28:44.000 He's never bent at all.

00:28:46.000 And it's not fun to go through this stuff.

00:28:48.000 And of course, they attack Ginny Thomas, who's a dear friend.

00:28:52.000 And she was, I represented her in the January 6th committee investigation, which was a circus and a joke.

00:29:00.000 But that's what they do.

00:29:01.000 And I thought that was particularly despicable, right?

00:29:04.000 To really go after Ginny Thomas and target her starting in 2022, right? 0.55

00:29:09.000 And this is the Jane Mayer, Jane Mayer from the New Yorker, who wrote a book actually called Strange Justice back in the early 90s, where she has all of these sentences in there that he is not smart, relying on white judges, relying on his wife, relying on his law clerks.

00:29:30.000 It's really despicable.

00:29:31.000 But Thomas has just marched on, done his job, and has the greatest record of any justice in modern times.

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00:30:45.000 So, Mark, I had RFK Jr. On the program, and I asked him what current Supreme Court justice most fits his ideas.

00:30:52.000 And he said, I can't answer that.

00:30:54.000 And then he said his favorite Supreme Court justice is Earl Warren, someone who protected and modernized the modern administrative state and the deep state, who I believe killed his uncle as well, which is really a bizarre thing that he would be defending the justice that actually made the administrative state permanent and possible.

00:31:12.000 So, Mark, your thoughts on RFK Jr.'s inability to name a justice.

00:31:17.000 How should we think about this?

00:31:20.000 I think he's a classic liberal who thinks that the Supreme Court is a policy-making, you know, court organization, a super legislature, if you will.

00:31:31.000 Doesn't want to get the left mad because they want somebody like that, like Earl Warren.

00:31:37.000 The fact that he says it's Earl Warren just tells you everything you need to know about the type of justice he's doing.

00:31:42.000 Tell us what that means.

00:31:42.000 A lot of people don't know what Earl Warren, so just give us a minute history.

00:31:46.000 Why is Earl Warren such a red flag?

00:31:49.000 Yeah, he was when I say an activist judge, he thought that the court should make policies in terms of the laws or the Constitution to stretch them to what he thought was best.

00:32:01.000 He's unelected, he's appointed, he's supposed to interpret the Constitution.

00:32:04.000 So, you know, the 14th Amendment says you cannot, you know, discriminate on race.

00:32:09.000 But he thinks, right, in his, and now this came a little bit later in that type of case, but he thought that it should be, I'm going to, I'm going to be a policymaker as a judge, as a justice.

00:32:23.000 We want justices to interpret the Constitution, to apply it, to let the democratic process, you know, play out.

00:32:30.000 And then, you know, like the Second Amendment, right?

00:32:33.000 Liberal justices will say, oh, we're fine with you restricting these rights on Americans when the Constitution says X.

00:32:42.000 So that's the type of, it's a policymaker that doesn't view his role as applying the Constitution or the law at issue.

00:32:51.000 It's what do I think is best?

00:32:53.000 And that's a recipe for disaster. 0.99

00:32:54.000 That's how abortion happened, right?

00:32:56.000 To find a right to an abortion in the Constitution is absolute fiction.

00:33:01.000 It doesn't exist, right?

00:33:02.000 But that's what these left-wing judges do. 1.00

00:33:04.000 Affirmative action, same thing.

00:33:06.000 They come up with all of these policy reasons why it's good.

00:33:09.000 It's terrible, but it's just also unconstitutional.

00:33:12.000 That's what he's looking at.

00:33:14.000 Just like all of these, the administrative state you talked about, right?

00:33:16.000 And I think I saw part of that clip of him talking about environmental laws.

00:33:20.000 Well, guess what?

00:33:21.000 The EPA has certain set laws, right, and powers based on what Congress enacted.

00:33:27.000 And what happens, Charlie, is that the EPA will do something far outside of the- They assume the power of the legislative branch, right? 0.99

00:33:34.000 And that's Eisenhower said that picking Earl Warren was, quote, the biggest damn fool mistake I ever made. 0.96

00:33:40.000 Warren basically invented the modern activist judge. 0.98

00:33:44.000 You said something interesting.

00:33:46.000 You think that one of the reasons why RFK Jr. didn't answer my question or dodged it is because he's afraid that it would reveal that he wants somebody more in the sotomayor tradition.

00:33:58.000 And by the way, I pick presidents primarily on who they're going to put on the Supreme Court.

00:34:04.000 That's like a top two issue.

00:34:06.000 It's like border Supreme Court.

00:34:08.000 Final thoughts, Mark.

00:34:10.000 Yeah, in 2016, I think the main reason President Trump was elected in part was his list that you've pointed out.

00:34:17.000 It showed the American people what he was going to do.

00:34:20.000 Late breakers went for Trump based on the Supreme Court.

00:34:22.000 He knows that a lot of the people he's trying to appeal to, which is not the hard left, that is Bobby Kennedy or Robert F. Kennedy, are going to be turned off if he's talking about left-wing judges.

00:34:32.000 And so I do think it's critically important.

00:34:34.000 It's the last line of defense in our republic is the Supreme Court.

00:34:38.000 It's a wonderful, It's a honest organization, unlike a lot of these other, like the legislature today.

00:34:47.000 Needs to be protected.

00:34:49.000 The attacks on the justices, the attacks on the court need to be, need to be pushed back on because they're lies.

00:34:56.000 It's all designed to undermine the Supreme Court today.

00:34:58.000 And Trump got three.

00:35:00.000 Boy, God gave us a gift.

00:35:03.000 He gave us three justices.

00:35:05.000 And you just think about it, you know, three and four years, and they're all pretty good.

00:35:09.000 I mean, Gorsuch sometimes does stuff that upsets me, but it's generally really good.

00:35:13.000 And Clarence Thomas is the leader of it.

00:35:15.000 It is the Thomas court.

00:35:16.000 And we don't have time, Mark, but you can know somebody best by who spends the most time with him.

00:35:21.000 Even those that disagree love Thomas.

00:35:25.000 They love him.

00:35:27.000 From the people that work in the janitorial positions in the Supreme Court to his fellow justices, they all think Clarence Thomas is a class act and they love him.

00:35:37.000 Mark, thank you so much.

00:35:38.000 Merry Christmas.

00:35:38.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:35:39.000 Merry Christmas.

00:35:40.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:35:41.000 Everybody, email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:44.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

00:35:48.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - December 23, 2023

The Real Truth About Clarence Thomas + RFK’s Scary SCOTUS Pick

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