The Charlie Kirk Show - April 07, 2023


The Republican National Clown Committee with Robby Starbuck and Kash Patel


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Kash Patel reacts to all the Trump arraignment and indictment news, then Robbie Starbuck makes a case as why you should not give money to the RNC. We talk about how the conservative media space is actually in a healthier spot, and why we have to fix the party.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Tan the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000 Kash Patel reacts to all the Trump arraignment and indictment news.
00:00:06.000 Then Robbie Starbuck makes a case as why you should not give money to the RNC.
00:00:09.000 We talk about how the conservative media space is actually in a healthier spot.
00:00:13.000 We have to fix the party.
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00:01:16.000 Cash President Trump has been indicted and arraigned.
00:01:19.000 Thoughts, initial thoughts on indictment?
00:01:21.000 Would you as a prosecutor ever file an indictment like this?
00:01:25.000 No, it's great to be with you, Charlie.
00:01:26.000 Of course not.
00:01:27.000 Me as a prosecutor, me as a public defender are horrified that the two-tier system of justice has descended to the state court level and Alvin Bragg's baseless prosecution.
00:01:36.000 Here's all you need to know.
00:01:36.000 You don't need to be a lawyer.
00:01:39.000 A charge under this indictment must meet the elements of the statute in the state of New York to pose a crime.
00:01:45.000 Alvin Bragg presented his charging document, the indictment, and he failed to outline the crime, the conspiracy that these ledger violations are needed to attach to to form a legal violation of the law.
00:01:58.000 So the man brings a charge in a charging document and fails to identify the charge.
00:02:03.000 How is that?
00:02:04.000 How is that possible?
00:02:05.000 Why is the judge not thrown it out already?
00:02:07.000 I mean, this is so insane.
00:02:10.000 So, you know, the grand jury system, you could basically, as they say, indict a ham sandwich.
00:02:15.000 And that state, that phraseology comes from the New York judicial system because it's so easy to convince 20 people to say maybe something wrong happened.
00:02:23.000 And remind you, those 20 people are in New York City.
00:02:26.000 They don't exactly love Donald Trump.
00:02:27.000 Now, the burden of proof is drastically different in trial court.
00:02:31.000 And the judge can't unilaterally dismiss this case.
00:02:34.000 Let's just say he were to follow the actual law.
00:02:36.000 Let's give him that benefit.
00:02:38.000 The motion needs to be filed from the defense counsel.
00:02:41.000 But I'm urging Donald Trump's defense counsel, for whoever's listening, don't file that motion to dismiss just yet.
00:02:46.000 Why?
00:02:49.000 It's pretty simple.
00:02:50.000 Alvin Bragg has spent his entire recent career trying to bleed Donald Trump dry for a false crime.
00:02:58.000 Now, just like we did in Russia Gate, bleed them dry during the discovery process. 0.54
00:03:03.000 Get all of the bogus evidence that Alvin Bragg has.
00:03:07.000 Put all of that evidence out to the world so we can see the baseless prosecution built on fraudulent evidence, corrupt witnesses, and the hiding of exculpatory evidence.
00:03:17.000 Then you expose the actual corruption behind the headline.
00:03:22.000 And then everyday Americans are going to see what Donald Trump's been saying.
00:03:25.000 Yes, they're targeting me, but you're next.
00:03:28.000 And when they see and see that and feel that, then the ride, the meteoric rise that Donald Trump has been on is going to explode.
00:03:35.000 So I would wait months before filing a motion to dismiss.
00:03:38.000 So do you think that as this proceeds, is there any chance if this goes to trial, Donald Trump is acquitted with a New York jury?
00:03:47.000 I think it definitely goes to trial because I don't think the judge is going to have the gumption to do what's legally necessary and throw the case out when the time is right to do so.
00:03:56.000 And a New York jury acquitting Donald Trump, I don't see the likelihood of that, but a Staten Island jury might, which is also in the district of New York, but that's when you get into change.
00:04:06.000 So, what is the likelihood of change of venue?
00:04:08.000 What is the process for a change in venue?
00:04:11.000 Well, let's say the likelihood for an acquittal with an impartial jury in New York City is 5%.
00:04:16.000 The likelihood of a change of venue is 7%.
00:04:19.000 So, very unlikely in both cases, which is why the appellate courts will have to resolve this legal issue.
00:04:24.000 And here's what should scare members of Congress more than anything: a federally elected official was charged by a state-level prosecutor for a baseless election fraud conspiracy case.
00:04:37.000 That means any district attorney in America can charge any elected member of Congress.
00:04:43.000 Where are the subpoenas from Congress calling this out?
00:04:48.000 Right, I agree.
00:04:49.000 But so, Cash, I just want to make sure I understand.
00:04:50.000 And you're saying the same thing as Dershowitz.
00:04:52.000 You believe Donald Trump will probably 90% chance be convicted then.
00:04:57.000 If it stays in New York City and it goes to a New York City jurisdiction, but you're saying there's a 93% chance it stays in New York City.
00:05:03.000 So, just playing the odds here, let's play this out.
00:05:06.000 Do you think it could be overturned on appeal?
00:05:09.000 I think it's most definitely overturned on appeal because, as crazy and wonky as New York City is, it's going to go up to the New York state appellate court system.
00:05:19.000 And then it's ultimately going to go to the federal court system.
00:05:22.000 This case is going to go on for years in appellate land because the courts do not want prosecutors to create law.
00:05:31.000 That is the job of state legislatures.
00:05:33.000 And once you get this in the hands of a decent crew of judges, which exists at the New York appellate level, they will be like, wait a second, the Congress legislates the law, not district attorneys.
00:05:42.000 You made up a crime.
00:05:43.000 This will not stand.
00:05:46.000 Right.
00:05:46.000 And but that's way down the road, right?
00:05:49.000 And so we're looking at almost a guarantee, almost a guaranteed 90% chance of a Trump conviction, and then a hope for it to go to the appellate level.
00:06:03.000 And then on top of that, potentially other indictments and then other issues surrounding that.
00:06:10.000 Cash, this is not sustainable.
00:06:13.000 The country is going to fall apart if this continues.
00:06:16.000 I mean, the legal system is crumbling in front of our eyes.
00:06:19.000 This is more than a show trial.
00:06:20.000 This is more than a banana republic.
00:06:22.000 And I mean, that southern district of New York, right, just right there in New York, they have like widespreading police powers.
00:06:29.000 O'Keeffe, they've gone after Giuliani, Bannon, Dinesh D'Souza, right?
00:06:33.000 So dissident filmmaker, dissident journalist, dissident commentator, president's lawyer, the president himself, the former president himself.
00:06:43.000 And so what should our response to this, though, be you say subpoenas from Congress?
00:06:46.000 Do you think that's really going to make a difference?
00:06:48.000 I think it's a step.
00:06:49.000 Our response should be that you and I have talked about it.
00:06:52.000 Where are the Republican district attorneys and state attorney generals impaneling grand juries to investigate the fraudulent acts of these elected officials out like the likes of Alvin Bragg?
00:07:04.000 Where are the George Soros-funded guys being investigated by our district attorneys?
00:07:10.000 They just don't want to show up and do it.
00:07:12.000 That's the difference between Bragg and our team.
00:07:14.000 Our team doesn't want to show up and do it until they're embarrassed.
00:07:17.000 Well, they're not there.
00:07:18.000 Yeah.
00:07:18.000 So, I mean, I've called a couple attorneys general and I've said, what are you guys doing?
00:07:22.000 Oh, Charlie, you don't understand.
00:07:23.000 You know, we can't really impanel juries and, you know, we have to be there.
00:07:27.000 And that's not true, by the way.
00:07:28.000 But they're just making excuses.
00:07:30.000 They don't like getting phone calls from me.
00:07:31.000 And I can name the names.
00:07:32.000 And if they don't act right, but they're from a lot of red states.
00:07:36.000 And they say, one of them said, Charlie, we don't do that.
00:07:38.000 We're better than that.
00:07:39.000 So one Republican attorney general told me, Charlie, you're trying to tell me we have to stoop to the Democrat level?
00:07:45.000 No, we believe in the law and they don't.
00:07:47.000 You know what they said?
00:07:48.000 This too shall pass.
00:07:50.000 That is one of the most saddening statements I'm probably going to hear this week.
00:07:55.000 I'm not saying go and make up fictitious crimes as our state attorney generals.
00:07:59.000 I'm saying go and investigate the Soros-funded prosecutions with baseless merit, like the Alvin Bragg's of the world.
00:08:07.000 Was money utilized, federal, state, or otherwise, to bring these bogus charges?
00:08:13.000 And what other elected officials, i.e., the Swalwells of the world, actually committed a crime by pandering to overseas interests and violating his oath of office?
00:08:23.000 You can impanel a grand jury to investigate all of this stuff and so much more.
00:08:28.000 Are you telling me that there is not one democratic operation in the United States of America in our 50 states that didn't violate some form of campaign finance law that a state attorney general in a red state can't investigate?
00:08:42.000 I don't believe that for one second.
00:08:44.000 How about BLM?
00:08:45.000 BLM has. 1.00
00:08:46.000 There you go.
00:08:47.000 I forgot about those guys.
00:08:49.000 I mean, just really simple.
00:08:50.000 Why is there not a DA right now in Midland, Texas?
00:08:53.000 If there's a single donor from that county, a single donor from Lubbock, a single donor from Stillwater, Oklahoma, a single donor, and you're the DA, obvious charitable fraud, right?
00:09:04.000 Obviously defrauding small dollar donors.
00:09:07.000 You guys could do the same exact thing.
00:09:08.000 At least show the movement and the momentum.
00:09:10.000 Yet we're sitting here, no action, no plan, no spine, no resolve.
00:09:17.000 It's not just Trump.
00:09:19.000 This is the whole portfolio.
00:09:21.000 James O'Keefe had his apartment raided.
00:09:25.000 The state of New York shut down the NRA, literally shut down the National Rifle Association.
00:09:30.000 Okay.
00:09:30.000 So one of the number one groups for Liberty.
00:09:33.000 They raided Rudy Giuliani's apartment.
00:09:36.000 They went after a humorist and a satirist, Douglas Mackey, who might serve 10 years in prison.
00:09:41.000 Steve Bannon is currently under indictment.
00:09:44.000 And then they go after Trump.
00:09:46.000 So you have the journalists, you have the satirists, you have the, oh, and the filmmaker, Dinesh D'Souza, was indicted there.
00:09:52.000 And we can't even get a single Republican DA.
00:09:56.000 And by the way, not even an indictment.
00:09:58.000 They're not even thinking about doing it, Cash.
00:10:00.000 They're scared of it.
00:10:00.000 They're frightened.
00:10:01.000 When I talk to them, they get skittish.
00:10:03.000 They want to end the phone call.
00:10:04.000 They want nothing to do with it, nothing to do with it.
00:10:07.000 We do not have a single DA, not one DA or AG in America that is even remotely, even close to entertaining them, maybe possibly doing this.
00:10:14.000 Just to give everyone an idea of how weak your opposition party is.
00:10:20.000 Yeah, let me tell you two things about that.
00:10:23.000 One, it's going to take a list.
00:10:24.000 And I know people hate publicizing lists, but I've been compiling my own because I'm sick and tired of it.
00:10:28.000 And when you want to combine lists and go public, you give me a call.
00:10:31.000 I'll walk down the streets of America starting yelling these names.
00:10:33.000 And why aren't these DAs and prosecutors going after the FBI agents across this country, some of who commit fraudulent acts to bring bogus prosecutions every day?
00:10:42.000 If they are a citizen of your state, they are under your jurisdiction. 0.77
00:10:45.000 You can start there.
00:10:46.000 But, Charlie, we're just going to have to start blasting out names.
00:10:49.000 And the world is going to act when they are embarrassed to act because our guys have no gumption.
00:10:54.000 No gumption.
00:10:55.000 No spine.
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00:12:43.000 Cash, listen to this.
00:12:44.000 Listen to how the media reacted to John Edwards being indicted versus Donald Trump.
00:12:49.000 Play cut 65.
00:12:50.000 There are growing questions tonight over whether the government overreached in its indictment a former presidential candidate, John Edwards.
00:12:57.000 Edwards is accused of using campaign funds to hide an extramarital affair.
00:13:01.000 There are growing questions over the indictment of former presidential candidate John Edwards for allegedly using campaign funds to hide an affair.
00:13:08.000 Did the government overreach?
00:13:10.000 This looks like one of those things you read about in third world countries or in India or somewhere in Pakistan, where they get somebody who's been out of office a couple of years, get them while they're dead, hit them with some incredible charge with campaign funding that nobody's ever heard of before and put them away for a while.
00:13:22.000 It just looks like revenge against the party, against somebody who lost an election.
00:13:26.000 Even if most of the facts prove true, there already is controversy over whether it all amounts to a federal crime.
00:13:32.000 Critics blast the government's case against the former presidential candidate.
00:13:37.000 Why they say what he did may not have been against the law today.
00:13:40.000 Cash your reaction.
00:13:42.000 Hypocrisy knows no bounds, and neither does a two-tier system of justice.
00:13:46.000 That highlights to me in a nutshell Alvin Bragg's failure.
00:13:51.000 The reason John Edwards was acquitted is because there was no federal crime committed.
00:13:56.000 And in Alvin Bragg's preposterous indictment, he says Donald Trump committed this same federal crime that doesn't exist that John Edwards did.
00:14:05.000 And oh, by the way, if what Alvin Bragg says is legally accurate, then every federal elected official, all 535 of them in Congress, who take out their staffers for lunch, who take out a donor, who take out advisors, who take out lawyers, and who use car services and get fancy haircuts, is guilty under Alvin Bragg's theory of legal prosecution.
00:14:26.000 Where is a unanimous uproar from the members of Congress who don't want to be falsely prosecuted?
00:14:31.000 I mean, and by the way, John Edwards' real crime, I mean, he did some really unethical stuff with his wife dying and stuff, but his real crime was that he was one of the few Democrats who hated neoliberalism.
00:14:40.000 That was his real crime.
00:14:41.000 That if you remember the John Edwards presidential campaign in 2008 and previously, he was against all this trade stuff.
00:14:47.000 He was arguing for a robust middle class.
00:14:49.000 He came from the American South, so he was socially moderate, and they had to take him out.
00:14:54.000 If he was pro-neoliberal and all that stuff, very similar to Trump in that regard, right?
00:14:59.000 They do not touch neoliberals.
00:15:01.000 If you're a neoliberal, open borders, invade the world, invite the world, import plastic from China, bend the need of Xi Ji Ping. 0.74
00:15:07.000 It's a much higher threshold to indict you than actually people that challenge this idea, contagion, this pathogen of neoliberalism.
00:15:17.000 I want to play another piece of tape here and get your reaction to it.
00:15:22.000 Let's go to cut 44, please.
00:15:28.000 So, as everybody knows, this is totally unprecedented in our history, but it is not out of character for our history.
00:15:38.000 And I think it's really important to understand that what's happening today is very much in line with what the founders envision for the Republicans to say that this is somehow like this crazy thing that we're interfering in a presidential election.
00:15:59.000 We should let the people decide, not have the courts decide.
00:16:03.000 That's the un-American argument. 0.83
00:16:06.000 This guy.
00:16:07.000 is an any award-winning documentary filmmaker Jonathan Alter.
00:16:12.000 Is this what our founders envisioned, Cash?
00:16:14.000 The promise of Madison, Hamilton, and Jay is to indict your political enemies. 1.00
00:16:18.000 That guy is a complete asshat. 0.96
00:16:20.000 What constitution is he reading and what founding fathers is he talking about? 0.99
00:16:25.000 Our founding fathers specifically said there is to be no interference in the electoral system by the law enforcement communities.
00:16:33.000 That's why DOJ has a long-standing principle.
00:16:36.000 It says don't bring prosecutions of presidential candidates.
00:16:39.000 Now, whether you agree or disagree with that, that principle came from the founding fathers and our constitution.
00:16:46.000 I don't know what world that guy's living on.
00:16:49.000 And it's not surprising that MSNBC puts it on.
00:16:52.000 But the fact that Donald Trump has now attached Alvin Bragg's prosecution, baseless prosecution, to future election interference, credibly, is driving the left mad.
00:17:04.000 And they, of course, are putting out disinformation after disinformation.
00:17:07.000 Look, Alvin Bragg's the new Adam Schiff.
00:17:09.000 That's the easiest way to put it.
00:17:10.000 Put government gangsters up, buy Cash's book.
00:17:12.000 It's great.
00:17:13.000 And I have no idea how this is all going to play out.
00:17:15.000 I think Trump's going to be the nominee, but this is tragic.
00:17:18.000 It's unprecedented.
00:17:20.000 Kash Patel, thanks so much.
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00:19:06.000 Robbie Starbuck is with us.
00:19:07.000 Robbie's a great American.
00:19:08.000 He should be in Congress.
00:19:09.000 Maybe he will be one day.
00:19:10.000 Lord willing.
00:19:11.000 Robbie, welcome back to the program.
00:19:13.000 Your thoughts, RNC, the failure of the Republican Party.
00:19:18.000 I see so much good happening in the conservative movement.
00:19:21.000 Robbie, I see your voice being amplified.
00:19:23.000 I see great people like Matt Walsh and Candace Owens, Dan Bongino, big podcasts that are growing and that are strengthening.
00:19:29.000 I see Rumble.
00:19:30.000 I see the media space actually healthier almost than any other time.
00:19:34.000 I've been doing this in 10 years.
00:19:35.000 But I see the party sicker and weaker than ever before.
00:19:40.000 Your thoughts?
00:19:41.000 You're absolutely right, Charlie.
00:19:43.000 And it's really this gulf between the reality of the base of our party versus the people in control of our party.
00:19:49.000 It all honestly seems kind of like the people in charge professionally want to lose.
00:19:55.000 I don't know another way to describe it because some of the things going on are just entirely nonsensical.
00:20:00.000 When you look at the results of recent history, you know, just look at Wisconsin this week.
00:20:05.000 We're not even close to winning that Supreme Court race.
00:20:08.000 Okay.
00:20:09.000 We got obliterated there.
00:20:11.000 And it's a byproduct of really just having no activation on the ground.
00:20:15.000 When you have a Twitter account beating you at ground game, literally, I saw Scott Pressler, one guy on a Twitter account, doing more to flip that race than I saw the national GOP application.
00:20:27.000 And just so we're clear, Rana Romney and the RNC, they won't even call Scott back.
00:20:30.000 That's a fact.
00:20:31.000 Scott said, I call them.
00:20:32.000 I try to do stuff.
00:20:32.000 They want nothing to do with him.
00:20:33.000 How's that possible, Robbie? 0.95
00:20:35.000 It's ludicrous. 0.90
00:20:36.000 And look backwards, okay?
00:20:38.000 Who was registering voters for 2020?
00:20:41.000 Who went out there at gas stations and got people out all over the country to go to their own gas stations, activating these people at the grassroots to go and register voters to vote Republican?
00:20:52.000 It was Scott.
00:20:53.000 It wasn't the GOP.
00:20:54.000 The GOP did a tiny version of this later on after Scott already proved it successful.
00:20:59.000 But yet our national party doesn't actually utilize him or people like him.
00:21:03.000 And there are tons of these people, but they're not activating the grassroots at all. 0.98
00:21:07.000 And then they sit around and wonder why they're getting their butt kicked, you know? 0.64
00:21:11.000 And the reality is instead, we've got Rana going on Fox News blaming pro-life voters for us losing in Wisconsin. 0.95
00:21:19.000 That's not a winning strategy because guess what?
00:21:21.000 If that's the direction they want to go and they want to go into future elections saying, hey, you know what?
00:21:26.000 Actually, we're cool with abortion. 0.57
00:21:28.000 You're going to lose all those pro-life voters.
00:21:31.000 So whoever you pick up is a byproduct of going out and being pro-choice all of a sudden.
00:21:36.000 You're going to lose all those pro-life voters who have fought so hard for you.
00:21:39.000 So you've got to actually come up with a real winning message instead of saying, hey, it's these pro-life people's fault.
00:21:45.000 And you've got to go out there in the ground game and beat them.
00:21:47.000 Yes.
00:21:48.000 Because when they outspend us two or three or four or five to one, we're the problem, not them.
00:21:54.000 Robbie, that's such a clear analysis.
00:21:56.000 And if Rana is wrong, because if she was correct, how did Ron Johnson win the Senate race as an unbelievably outspoken pro-life leader?
00:22:06.000 How did Ron DeSantis win in Florida by 20 points?
00:22:10.000 So you have to answer those questions, right?
00:22:12.000 So maybe it's not the abortion issue.
00:22:14.000 Maybe it's not how you talk about the abortion issue, which maybe the RNC should, I don't know, figure out how to better train candidates to speak about the issues that care that your voters care about, like just what a concept, right?
00:22:26.000 Instead of avoiding and dodging them, that would be more helpful.
00:22:31.000 So, Robbie, we're getting that clip because I think it's important to play.
00:22:33.000 And again, I mean, this is not a personal vendetta against Rana.
00:22:37.000 It wasn't when I was trying to, you know, effectuate regime change when I was lobbying in Dana Point, California, and, you know, we fell short.
00:22:43.000 And Harmee should be in charge of it.
00:22:45.000 I want to win, Robbie.
00:22:46.000 I love America.
00:22:47.000 I love what we have here.
00:22:48.000 I'm sick of losing it.
00:22:50.000 I'm sick of losing the country.
00:22:52.000 The Republic is under assault daily by this regime, and I will not put up with losing.
00:22:58.000 Robbie, your thoughts.
00:23:00.000 You're absolutely right.
00:23:01.000 And when you look at the disastrous results and how far out this is going to affect us, this is 2024 here.
00:23:09.000 We just allowed liberals to take over the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
00:23:12.000 That means effectively, unless something changes between now and then, I don't know that we can win Wisconsin in 2024 for a Republican presidential candidate.
00:23:21.000 So people fighting over Trump, DeSantis, whatever.
00:23:23.000 The reality is, if you don't have the ability to have secure elections, you can't win.
00:23:28.000 And we need to get people trusting elections again.
00:23:30.000 So all of this has these downstream effects that are just not being thought about.
00:23:35.000 And I don't think that they're really considering how damaging it all truly is.
00:23:39.000 And to your point, what you said about candidates, they've got to stop policing the idea that certain candidates are just too far out there to be electable.
00:23:48.000 Ron Johnson, he broke the rules and he went out there and talked about the COVID vaccine.
00:23:53.000 That made people on the national level very uncomfortable.
00:23:53.000 Exactly.
00:23:56.000 DeSantis did the same thing, did all these things that are too dangerous to talk about.
00:24:00.000 And guess what?
00:24:01.000 They both won and outperformed other Republicans because people want real.
00:24:05.000 They want real people who stand up and are not afraid to speak their mind and tell the truth.
00:24:10.000 And frankly, people are able to discern what's true, what's not true. 0.99
00:24:14.000 And I think they're tired of politicians and political apparatus leaders treating them like they're stupid. 0.99
00:24:20.000 And in effect, really, those people, they need to get off Fox News and go look in the mirror and look at what does our actual ground game look like? 0.99
00:24:27.000 What is our strategy?
00:24:28.000 What are we doing?
00:24:29.000 How are we utilizing our grassroots?
00:24:31.000 And if they don't get on top of it now, we are not going to win 2024, whether it's Trump, DeSantis, or Mickey Mouse.
00:24:37.000 So, Robbie, then what is the solution?
00:24:38.000 Because our audience is fired up.
00:24:40.000 They're done giving to the regime.
00:24:41.000 They're done giving to the RNC Uniparty.
00:24:43.000 I mean, we're our little mighty band of political operation, a couple million bucks a year.
00:24:47.000 We're trying to do what we're doing at Turning Point Action.
00:24:49.000 But to the credit of our great grassroots staff and Tyler and Brett, we were on the ground in Wisconsin.
00:24:54.000 We were doing our best.
00:24:55.000 Obviously, it wasn't enough.
00:24:57.000 What should people do?
00:24:58.000 Well, so actually, this is going to sound like we plan this, but we don't plan this.
00:25:02.000 I didn't talk to Charlie ahead of time about this, but I've been saying the RNC is not getting it done.
00:25:08.000 And what we really need to do is get some of these high-dollar donors and the grassroots donors, but really the high-dollar donors, we need to get them contributing to outside groups like Turning Point Action and empower them to handle the ballot chasing.
00:25:21.000 Because I have absolutely no faith the RNC is going to do what's necessary to ballot chase in 2024.
00:25:27.000 We need an outside hungry entity that is going to be on top of it and is going to take this to a new level.
00:25:34.000 Well, thank you.
00:25:34.000 And, you know, for these people, they need to ask the question: what evidence is there that the RNC is going to do an effective job at ballot chasing?
00:25:43.000 What have they shown you in recent elections that would lead you to believe that they're capable of doing a better job than Democrats?
00:25:50.000 There's nothing.
00:25:51.000 There's nothing you can tell me and give any faith that that's the case.
00:25:55.000 So contribute to these outside orgs like Turning Point Action.
00:25:58.000 Instead, focus your efforts on igniting a fire in these hungry young organizations to do the work necessary to beat the Democrats.
00:26:05.000 I really think that's what we have to do.
00:26:07.000 I think that's the only way out of this to show that the RNC is a failure.
00:26:11.000 Outside groups can do a better job.
00:26:12.000 It's almost like, you know, the idea of socialism.
00:26:16.000 You know, we've almost got to treat the RNC like it's big government, and we have to be the outside groups that do a better job than big governments that people stop having faith in big government.
00:26:24.000 And then on the flip side of that, at the end of it all, have the people running those outside orgs end up the people in charge of that institution.
00:26:33.000 I totally agree.
00:26:35.000 And I mean, again, if it's not us, then go find someone else go do the thankless job of doing ballot chasing.
00:26:39.000 We're trying to step up and figure it out, right?
00:26:41.000 It's not exactly a job that is easy where you have to go hire a thousand people and do it legally and above board to go.
00:26:48.000 You guys aren't making money doing it.
00:26:49.000 It's not like it's a profitable endeavor.
00:26:51.000 And all of our financials are public.
00:26:51.000 No, we're not.
00:26:54.000 RNC has a lot of abstractions in their financials.
00:26:56.000 Let's put it that way.
00:26:58.000 And yeah, I mean, we're aggressive and we don't want to lose.
00:27:00.000 I hate losing.
00:27:01.000 I do not want to lose.
00:27:03.000 I don't feel that sense of urgency from the RNC regime at all.
00:27:07.000 In fact, I think they're okay.
00:27:08.000 I mean, they seem very comfortable.
00:27:10.000 Okay, I want to play a piece of tape.
00:27:11.000 Well, why wouldn't they be?
00:27:12.000 Yeah, please keep it.
00:27:13.000 Charlie, why wouldn't they be comfortable?
00:27:14.000 Why wouldn't they be comfortable?
00:27:16.000 They've had these cushy jobs.
00:27:17.000 They get paid really, really well.
00:27:20.000 They get all these, you know, benefits they're not entitled to using people's money to get private jets and private cars and so on and so forth.
00:27:26.000 Why wouldn't they be comfortable?
00:27:27.000 Nobody's firing them.
00:27:28.000 Everybody went ahead and said, you get to keep this cushy job.
00:27:32.000 And in DC, they get treated like royalty.
00:27:34.000 So why wouldn't they be comfortable?
00:27:37.000 It is unsustainable.
00:27:38.000 I want to play the piece of tape here.
00:27:41.000 And just to your point, Washington, D.C. is very comfy if you don't care about winning.
00:27:46.000 Let's play Cut 67, please.
00:27:48.000 Nirana, do the Republicans face a messaging challenge in these states?
00:27:53.000 Wisconsin's a battleground state.
00:27:55.000 I don't think that changes anything.
00:27:56.000 We just won for Ron Johnson and flipped a house seat in 2022.
00:28:00.000 But I will say something else.
00:28:01.000 When you're losing by 10 points, there is a messaging issue.
00:28:04.000 And abortion is still an issue.
00:28:06.000 And we can't allow the Democrats to define Republicans and put millions of dollars up in lies and have it go unanswered.
00:28:13.000 I'm a suburban woman.
00:28:15.000 I know this is an issue.
00:28:16.000 I hear it with my friends, with my young daughter.
00:28:18.000 This is not an issue that's going away for our party in a post-obs world.
00:28:21.000 And we can't put our head in the sand and think it's going to heading into 2024.
00:28:25.000 I mean, you're the head of the party.
00:28:26.000 Like, what'd you do about it?
00:28:28.000 What are you, a political commentator?
00:28:29.000 How do you take responsibility?
00:28:31.000 I run the party, and it was a failure.
00:28:34.000 That is exactly what I said.
00:28:36.000 When have you ever seen her go on TV and say, we didn't do a good enough job?
00:28:39.000 This is what we're doing to fix it.
00:28:41.000 This is what we're going to do better.
00:28:42.000 We failed at this, but we're not going to fail again.
00:28:44.000 She has never done it.
00:28:45.000 She never will do it because she will not take accountability.
00:28:48.000 She is a political commentator and she gets paid by the RNC to be a political commentator.
00:28:54.000 And it's a joke, especially when you have somebody running our party, going on TV and essentially giving credence to the idea that we are too pro-life as a party.
00:29:04.000 Then I mean, why do we need enemies?
00:29:06.000 If these are the people running our party, what do we need enemies for?
00:29:09.000 I honestly, I can't tell you what we need them for, but I can tell you people need to give to other organizations, not the RNC.
00:29:15.000 Give to turning point action.
00:29:16.000 Find some other outside group that you trust on a state level in your state that's doing good work, but empower people who are hungry that are going to get out there and do the real work necessary, not live a cushy life in D.C.
00:29:28.000 I agree, Robbie.
00:29:29.000 Well, and obviously I'm, you know, run turning point action, but I appreciate the kind words, but whatever.
00:29:34.000 I mean, if it's another group, find another group.
00:29:35.000 It's not about that.
00:29:37.000 It's about not being the RNC.
00:29:39.000 Find a grassroots, scrappy group that's willing to hustle, willing to get in the trenches, willing to do the work.
00:29:43.000 Whatever the group is, if it's turning point action, great.
00:29:45.000 If it's, you know, dog catchers for America, then fine. 1.00
00:29:47.000 Like, I don't care.
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00:30:11.000 I know a lot of people that have benefited from this.
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00:30:55.000 Robbie, I want to talk about some of the positives, though.
00:30:57.000 I see a lot of grassroots energy.
00:30:59.000 I see us drafting better candidates.
00:31:01.000 I see our messaging finally intact.
00:31:03.000 I see states like Tennessee pushing forward really meaningful pieces of legislation to protect children.
00:31:10.000 So, Robbie, I think that if we actually can just figure out a couple things here, simple things, machinery, ballot chasing, who runs the party?
00:31:18.000 Why are we spending hundreds of millions of dollars on things that don't matter?
00:31:20.000 You know, minor details.
00:31:22.000 I think we actually have some of the stars aligned for a conservative renaissance.
00:31:26.000 Your thoughts?
00:31:27.000 Oh, we absolutely do.
00:31:28.000 In terms of talent, the bench is full of talented people.
00:31:31.000 We have incredibly talented people.
00:31:33.000 Our media apparatus is the best it's ever been in my lifetime.
00:31:37.000 I think we're on the precipice of a real cultural moment where we have a lot of cultural, you know, sort of institutions of our own starting to really get out there and get popularized.
00:31:48.000 I think we're going to have emerging market spaces and products that are really tied to the conservative movement that are very successful.
00:31:54.000 So I think there's so many things to be excited about.
00:31:57.000 But the problem is, is when you've got this rotting fish head at the top, you've got big problems because it really holds you back to a degree I think a lot of people don't realize.
00:32:07.000 Because here's the thing: the DNC, the Democratic Party, they have absolutely ruthless competitors running their party.
00:32:15.000 We have ruthless people within our own party.
00:32:18.000 That means they're being ruthless towards other people in the party, but they're not being ruthless toward Democrats who they need to be ruthless toward.
00:32:26.000 So we're not taking on the same tactics the DNC is willing to take on against us in, you know, sort of a tip for tat.
00:32:32.000 We're not willing to do that.
00:32:33.000 We're not even willing to meet them where they are, let alone beat them at it.
00:32:37.000 And so that's a problem we've got to fix.
00:32:39.000 I just would say what you said again.
00:32:41.000 Take that money you're donating there and donate it to an outside org.
00:32:45.000 Stop the automatic donations.
00:32:46.000 Tell your friends same thing because that's what will eventually get us change at the RNC and get us a real leader there.
00:32:53.000 And I really hope President Trump, you know, makes a call for a new leader at some point because I do think I agree completely.
00:33:00.000 And that's kind of that was something I was disappointed in in the last RNC thing.
00:33:04.000 You know, I really wanted to see him come out for Harmeat because she's fought so hard for him.
00:33:09.000 But, you know, you can't change the past.
00:33:11.000 You can't hope in the future there's a better decision.
00:33:13.000 And I think that that's something he's seeing the results right now too.
00:33:16.000 And hopefully that leads him toward a decision to say, hey, we need some change there.
00:33:20.000 And it's fine that people like her. 0.99
00:33:22.000 I mean, you know, I don't have a personal problem with Rana. 1.00
00:33:25.000 I don't hate the lady. 0.98
00:33:26.000 I hate losing. 1.00
00:33:28.000 I hate losing.
00:33:28.000 And there's a lot of nice people that should not be the five-star general to take on the Marxist level.
00:33:33.000 Exactly.
00:33:33.000 That's exactly.
00:33:34.000 I want ruthless people running my party.
00:33:36.000 I want a George S. Patton, period.
00:33:39.000 I want someone that's.
00:33:40.000 And if you look at Tennessee, we're a great model right now for why it's important. 1.00
00:33:45.000 We had every media institution come out and do hit pieces against me and my wife and legislators as we got these two bills done to keep drag queens out of, you know, kids' spaces to end sex change surgeries, hormones, puberty blockers. 1.00
00:33:59.000 And we don't care. 1.00
00:34:00.000 They can write whatever they want about us, call us transphobic.
00:34:02.000 We are absolutely impenetrable to their attacks.
00:34:06.000 We don't care.
00:34:07.000 And we need people like that in leadership positions. 0.98
00:34:09.000 We need people like that pushing legislation.
00:34:11.000 And we're proving as a state that a conservative state can really stand and be successful and have the love of its people.
00:34:17.000 And also hold the Democrats to the new rules.
00:34:20.000 That's something I don't see any other state doing.
00:34:22.000 We're doing it today. 0.98
00:34:23.000 We're expelling three Democrats who acted like fools and took over the House floor in our state. 0.98
00:34:28.000 And we know for a fact, if I had done that and the Democrats were in a majority, they would expel somebody like me so fast your heads would spin. 0.96
00:34:36.000 And we're finally holding them to the same rules.
00:34:38.000 Get them out.
00:34:39.000 I love it.
00:34:39.000 And by the way, something I'm going to encourage President Trump to do and everybody running for the presidency, do not do RNC sanctioned debates.
00:34:46.000 Get out of it, right?
00:34:47.000 Go do your own debates.
00:34:49.000 Have your own debate calendar.
00:34:51.000 Why are you going with the regime with debates?
00:34:54.000 Like, that doesn't make any sense.
00:34:55.000 Go actually talk to voters.
00:34:57.000 Wouldn't you rather have Mark Levin and Dan Bongino and Matt Walsh and Candace Owens and Steve Bannon ask debate questions?
00:35:07.000 1,000%.
00:35:09.000 And not only would it be better in the outcomes, it would be compelling television.
00:35:13.000 It's good for the movement, right?
00:35:15.000 Ratings and compelling TV.
00:35:18.000 One of the worst things we can do is continue to elevate fake news.
00:35:21.000 And that's what we've done by doing these RNC events and then, you know, bringing in an ABC or a CNN host to come ask the questions.
00:35:27.000 We all know they're partisan hacks.
00:35:29.000 Why are we doing this?
00:35:30.000 Why are we empowering people who hate us?
00:35:32.000 It's the same thing with these companies like Bub Light, you know, having trans people on their canes and stuff. 1.00
00:35:36.000 Stop giving money to people who hate you.
00:35:38.000 Stop empowering people who hate you.
00:35:40.000 Stop giving interviews to people who hate you.
00:35:42.000 Stop doing things with people who hate you and help ignite and fire up our movement.
00:35:48.000 And that's what I would encourage any presidential candidate in 2024 to do is set up our people for success and make it compelling television.
00:35:55.000 And the best way to do that is bring in Bannon, bring in Candace, bring in Charlie Kirk, bring in people like Tim Poole or could you imagine Tim Poole hosting a debate?
00:36:04.000 The questions would be honest.
00:36:05.000 They'd be fair.
00:36:06.000 It would be fun.
00:36:07.000 It'd be amazing.
00:36:08.000 Represent your voters.
00:36:10.000 Okay, Robbie, great job.
00:36:11.000 We'll have you back on very soon.
00:36:12.000 Thank you.
00:36:15.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:36:17.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:36:20.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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