The Charlie Kirk Show - The Resurrected Jesus with David Limbaugh

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:02.000 David Limbaugh joins us, brother of the late Rush Limbaugh, author of a new book, Resurrected Jesus.

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00:01:26.000 Honored to have with us the author of the new book, The Resurrected Jesus.

00:01:31.000 David Limbaugh joins us this hour.

00:01:33.000 David, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:35.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.

00:01:36.000 How are you?

00:01:38.000 I'm excellent.

00:01:38.000 Thank you.

00:01:39.000 And I'm really looking forward to talking about this book with you.

00:01:41.000 I have so many questions, but first, what's this new book about?

00:01:44.000 And we'll dive into it.

00:01:46.000 And why did you write it?

00:01:47.000 And we'll go from there.

00:01:48.000 Okay, this is my fifth Christian-themed book.

00:01:51.000 The last one was Jesus is Risen, and it covered the book of Acts and six of the Apostle Paul's epistles.

00:02:00.000 This book covers the remaining seven of his epistles: the prison epistles and the pastoral epistles.

00:02:06.000 He wrote the prison epistles when he was imprisoned, house arrest in Rome, and the pastorals he wrote to his colleagues and fellow evangelists, Timothy and Titus.

00:02:15.000 But the purpose of this book, as in the last one, is to draw people closer to the Bible, to reach people who are either unchurched or skeptics or who are beginning Christians, who can profit from someone who is not a theologian or a trained biblical scholar, but someone who experienced skepticism and hopefully can relate to them in a way a pastor or theologian can't.

00:02:41.000 So we go through the chapters and verses of all these books.

00:02:44.000 Literally, I mean, we literally, I'm using literally correctly, go through every chapter and every verse of these seven books of the Bible and either paraphrase the verses or use them directly verbatim.

00:02:58.000 And then we intersperse commentary, our own insights.

00:03:02.000 And this book is different because my daughter Kristen added, primarily, wrote some prayers throughout the book to make it an interactive experience with readers.

00:03:13.000 We hope will lead them to coming closer to God and closer to the Bible.

00:03:19.000 So what books in particular then are you focusing on?

00:03:22.000 You say it says here that you explore the divinely inspired wonders of Paul's last letters.

00:03:27.000 Which books, just for our audience and for my own sake as well, are the last letters?

00:03:33.000 And I try to do this in chronological order as opposed to canonical order, where they appear in the Bible, although it's pretty close.

00:03:40.000 Colossians, Philemon, Ephesians, Philippians, 1 Timothy, Titus, and 2 Timothy.

00:03:49.000 Those are the books.

00:03:50.000 Those are the epistles.

00:03:52.000 What do you think is profound?

00:03:54.000 Or obviously it's all profound, but what is important to focus on about those letters in particular?

00:03:58.000 So, Timothy, obviously, he's counseling a younger, you know, very enthusiastic kind of, he's mentoring, you could say.

00:04:07.000 And I mean, you obviously mentioned the same with Titus.

00:04:10.000 What about those books do you think that you zero in on in your book that is so important to take away about them?

00:04:19.000 Well, it's interesting to me that there's a lot of different things.

00:04:23.000 And the reason I picked these seven books is because I want to go through the entire New Testament.

00:04:28.000 So, these are just the next ones.

00:04:30.000 I don't consider them any more or less profound than the other books.

00:04:32.000 Well, actually, I might if you press me, because I think Paul is the guy who is the premier evangelist who laid down doctrine more than any other New Testament writer.

00:04:44.000 But the interesting thing to me, and there's many in the pastorals, is how personal Paul is and how it shows how human he is.

00:04:54.000 The Bible isn't some book of abstract theological principles.

00:04:57.000 It is a story of God's redemption for mankind.

00:05:02.000 And it's written in history.

00:05:04.000 And Paul experiences these struggles and he delegates, this is interesting, he delegates very important tasks to his understudies, Timothy and Titus and others, of course.

00:05:16.000 But it shows, it's a model for us that we shouldn't be afraid to delegate important tasks to some of our people who work for us.

00:05:23.000 And I don't know about you, but sometimes I've had issues with that.

00:05:27.000 But it's a good example.

00:05:29.000 And he really, by doing this, it's not just analogous to a secular situation, but when he delegates, what he's really admitting is that God is in charge, that the Holy Spirit working through Timothy and Titus are the ones who are the one who really makes things happen.

00:05:49.000 And we are merely the agents of God working through the power of the Holy Spirit.

00:05:54.000 But these stories, Timothy has troubles, and Paul encourages him.

00:05:59.000 He encourages him to stay true to the gospel.

00:06:02.000 And he lays down instructions for Christian living.

00:06:05.000 Same thing with Titus.

00:06:07.000 Very personal, very warm.

00:06:09.000 And it just shows how vulnerable, but yet courageous Paul is and what a loving relationship he had with these people.

00:06:17.000 Yeah, so for some of our newer listeners that are new to the faith, tell us just more broadly about Paul.

00:06:22.000 One of the most extraordinary stories in the entire Bible, someone that you would be considered the least likely to become kind of the first theologian, if you were to kind of rank it.

00:06:33.000 And the person that had one of the reasons that I think his testimony is so compelling and his writings are so authentic is because he had no reason to articulate this.

00:06:45.000 Yeah, that's well put.

00:06:48.000 He was the least likely of people to become an advocate for Christ.

00:06:54.000 And he became the fiercest advocate.

00:06:56.000 He was the Hebrew of Hebrews.

00:06:58.000 He was an Orthodox Jew.

00:07:00.000 He was fiercely defensive against those who fell from the faith and the Jewish faith.

00:07:08.000 He was particularly personal, personally offended and outraged by his fellow Jews leaving the faith.

00:07:16.000 Not even, it really isn't leaving the faith.

00:07:18.000 It's just accepting Christ as the promised Messiah in the Old Testament. 0.94

00:07:22.000 But for accepting Christ and becoming Christians, he was so outraged that he was on a mission to murder them and imprison them.

00:07:31.000 And he was on his way on the Damascus road for the very purpose of bringing Christians to justice, people who had violated the Jewish laws and who'd become apostate. 0.80

00:07:45.000 And so on his way, he was encountered by Christ in a kind of a spiritual way.

00:07:52.000 Christ blinded him and said, why are you persecuting me, Paul?

00:07:57.000 Now, notice Christ didn't say, why are you persecuting the church?

00:08:01.000 Why are you persecuting me?

00:08:03.000 Meaning, Christ is the church.

00:08:05.000 And so that dramatic experience led to Paul's pretty much immediate conversion.

00:08:11.000 And the reason I think Paul, Jesus chose Paul to become his apostle.

00:08:18.000 The other apostles all lived with Jesus and walked with him, but were anointed by God.

00:08:29.000 Paul didn't do that.

00:08:30.000 He was the exception.

00:08:31.000 And I think Jesus chose him precisely because of his personality traits, his intellect.

00:08:35.000 I mean, he was such a passionate guy, so energetic, so adamant.

00:08:39.000 So all of this zeal he had for Christianity, he just transferred right into Christ and became an advocate for Christ.

00:08:45.000 And he devoted his entire life despite being punished, prisoned, beaten, tortured.

00:08:51.000 And he describes it all throughout.

00:08:54.000 And he persevered and he kept doing it and he was in prison.

00:08:57.000 So Paul is, and he's such a fascinating intellect, and he anticipates arguments and he knocks them down.

00:09:06.000 And I think if you read the book of Romans, book of Ephesians, you'll be blown away by the doctrinal statements of Christianity in that.

00:09:14.000 Yeah, and it's not easy reading.

00:09:15.000 I mean, Romans is a very difficult book in more ways than one because he's almost, he writes in a very, it's a different style than what most people are used to in the 21st century.

00:09:27.000 Can you talk about that?

00:09:28.000 Yeah, and even, I think it's Peter in one of his epistles talks about Paul being difficult to read sometimes in his writings, which I find is interesting.

00:09:42.000 But it's also interesting that Peter and the other apostles affirm Paul's apostleship.

00:09:51.000 And what they also do is affirm that his writings are scripture.

00:09:56.000 Paul didn't know, of course, I don't think, that the letters he's writing to the churches are ultimately going to be incorporated into the biblical canon and become the word of God.

00:10:06.000 But they were.

00:10:07.000 They were the word of God and he was talking, God was talking through him.

00:10:10.000 And so, but he does, there is a difficulty sometimes in understanding what he means.

00:10:16.000 And that's why studying the Bible, and I think AIDS like this book is designed to help people get into it and overcome any intimidation they have.

00:10:24.000 Some people are purists and they say, ah, let the Bible speak for itself.

00:10:29.000 It's blasphemy to even write a book about the Bible.

00:10:31.000 Who are you to well?

00:10:33.000 Who would say such a thing as that?

00:10:35.000 I don't know.

00:10:36.000 You throw out all of Henry's commentary and Spurgeon and even Aquinas.

00:10:41.000 I mean, there's a phenomenal commentary throughout the years of the scriptures.

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00:11:42.000 So I want to talk about how Paul was kind of on a mission to stamp out early heresies.

00:11:47.000 I think it's important for some of our listeners that are new to the faith, talk about the context of which this is written.

00:11:52.000 So Christianity was not even really a term at the time, right?

00:11:55.000 Now call it Christianity.

00:11:57.000 I'm not really sure that they called it.

00:11:59.000 I think they call themselves brothers or sisters in Christ.

00:12:01.000 You could tell us, but basically, there are all these little pockets of the church all across the Mediterranean.

00:12:07.000 And Paul is just, Paul is just kind of playing offensive coordinator here and being like, stop doing that, stop doing this.

00:12:12.000 Talk about that.

00:12:13.000 Yeah, I think they called him the way for a while.

00:12:16.000 The way.

00:12:18.000 But, but, um, and disparagingly, of course.

00:12:21.000 But Paul, this is so interesting and is so relevant to our modern times where truth, the very nature of truth, is being attacked.

00:12:31.000 Jesus Christ is truth and is the foundation for all that is true.

00:12:37.000 And to the extent that the modern political left or the anti-religious left can undermine the very concept of truth and distort language and postmodern culture, whatever, it undermines everything.

00:12:50.000 It introduces moral and intellectual chaos.

00:12:53.000 Paul was imprisoned for telling the truth, for explaining that Jesus was the promised Messiah.

00:13:01.000 He was then a threat to Judaism. 0.85

00:13:03.000 And by the way, just so we know, modern listeners and viewers understand, we love the Jewish people.

00:13:09.000 Christians are tied at the hip to the Jewish people. 0.99

00:13:12.000 And so this isn't about that.

00:13:14.000 But we're talking about Paul being upset that the truth was being distorted.

00:13:19.000 And it's just like today.

00:13:21.000 It's not just external forces, the Gentiles attacking the church, these licentious people in Corinthians, who, by the way, I used to read the Bible and think, how terrible. 1.00

00:13:31.000 Who could possibly accept such a decadent culture?

00:13:34.000 I think the United States has probably surpassed ancient Corinth.

00:13:37.000 Yeah, you read Romans 1, you say, boy, that feels like the New York Times.

00:13:42.000 It's totally Romans 1.

00:13:44.000 Yeah.

00:13:44.000 And so Paul, so you got those external attacks on Christianity and the church.

00:13:50.000 The early church, which is struggling, to get off the ground, Paul, as you say, plants these churches in the Mediterranean basin all around.

00:13:57.000 And they don't just grow automatically.

00:14:00.000 This is what's interesting.

00:14:01.000 A lot of some Christians will say that, you know, everything is through the Holy Spirit.

00:14:07.000 We don't have any control over anything.

00:14:08.000 And I know that's the extreme version, but God works through human beings.

00:14:15.000 So Paul knew that.

00:14:16.000 He was a model.

00:14:17.000 He was an exemplar of that.

00:14:18.000 He planted those churches and he had to come back and refurbish those churches and undergird them against these attacks.

00:14:24.000 So these internal attacks were actually probably more threatening to the church and to the survival of the church in its incipiency than external threats.

00:14:35.000 Because if you are in the church and you undermine doctrine, you undermine what is the very gospel, that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.

00:14:45.000 And you introduce doubt and you say, Jesus is not fully, Jesus wasn't actually a man, as the Gnostics. 0.99

00:14:52.000 The human material existence is evil.

00:14:55.000 So God couldn't have become material because he couldn't have become evil.

00:14:59.000 They don't understand at all that the dual nature of Christ.

00:15:04.000 God sent his Son to acquire human form so that we could become, so that he could die for us and redeem us, those of us with faith in Jesus Christ, for eternal life with him.

00:15:18.000 But he's fully human and fully divine.

00:15:21.000 Some of these early heresies would negate one or the other of those, either saying, no, he wasn't really God.

00:15:27.000 They had modalism or Gnosticism, right?

00:15:31.000 So go ahead, please.

00:15:34.000 And not to offend any modern readers, but a lot of people still feel that way.

00:15:40.000 Like Jehovah's Witnesses, I think, teach that Christ was not fully divine or not divine at all.

00:15:45.000 I may be wrong, but whether Jehovah's Witnesses do that or not, some cults or some religions do teach that and they purport to be Christian.

00:15:55.000 Well, that's not Orthodox Christianity.

00:15:58.000 That's not true Christianity. 1.00

00:15:59.000 True Christianity says that Jesus is fully God and fully divine.

00:16:02.000 And so Paul fiercely attacked these heretics.

00:16:07.000 So he would write these letters to the churches.

00:16:09.000 This is in real time.

00:16:10.000 This is real history.

00:16:12.000 He's writing letters to the churches because he didn't have time.

00:16:14.000 He couldn't be everywhere.

00:16:15.000 And he was sometimes in prison.

00:16:17.000 He writes these letters to the churches and say, This is the truth.

00:16:21.000 Don't listen to these false teachers.

00:16:22.000 They're blaspheming.

00:16:24.000 They're lying about who I am.

00:16:25.000 They're saying I'm trying to puff myself up.

00:16:27.000 This isn't about me.

00:16:28.000 This is about Jesus Christ.

00:16:30.000 It's about life.

00:16:31.000 Adhere to the truth.

00:16:32.000 And then he laid out the truth.

00:16:34.000 And then these books become, these epistles become part of scripture, as I said earlier, and they lay out what the Christian doctrine really is, which is fascinating.

00:16:42.000 So they serve the dual purpose at the time, undergirding the church and in perpetuity throughout all history.

00:16:49.000 David, I want you to talk about how Paul laid out a blueprint for waging spiritual warfare against the forces of darkness, something that is very important in America today.

00:17:01.000 Tell us what Paul had to say about that.

00:17:03.000 You know, it is so relevant, especially in view of recent right off the press's news story about this new series, cartoon series called, I think it's Demon.

00:17:17.000 And it's an adult cartoon series.

00:17:19.000 I think it's Disney.

00:17:20.000 I may be wrong about that. 0.98

00:17:22.000 Where Satan has sexual relations with a lady and she produces the Antichrist. 0.95

00:17:32.000 And a lot of parents are up in arms about this and outraged that it's on Disney because kids might stumble onto it and they already have in different ways from the promos and all that. 0.96

00:17:46.000 And the reason they're upset is not because they're fuddy duddies and purists and scolds.

00:17:53.000 It's because this culture has become so evil. 0.93

00:17:56.000 And secularism, evil has been championed through the glorification of abortion and everything else and the confusion of gender roles against God's created order. 0.52

00:18:07.000 And so this is just another way of introducing propaganda, secularist, anti-Christian, anti-God propaganda, and indoctrinating children and trivializing the very idea of demonics and spiritual evil.

00:18:25.000 We know as believing Christians, and primarily because Paul wrote about it, that there are spiritual forces, forces of darkness that underlie the evil forces that go on in the material world.

00:18:37.000 And we need to, what Paul is saying is, and he talks about, he talks about military metaphors to describe this.

00:18:48.000 He's saying, listen, people, spiritual warfare is not just about ghosts and goblins and all these phantasmagorical things.

00:18:56.000 It is real.

00:18:58.000 It is as real, in fact, more real than the physical world.

00:19:01.000 And you better believe Satan exists.

00:19:03.000 And by the way, Charlie, I didn't used to believe Satan existed.

00:19:07.000 I didn't become a Christian until I was in my 30s and kicking and screaming.

00:19:11.000 And one of the things that is most affirming for me, for my belief, ironically, is the prevalence of evil in this world.

00:19:21.000 I don't think you can explain it any other way than the biblical worldview.

00:19:25.000 I don't think you can explain what the left is doing in this country without resorting to spiritual explanations because it doesn't make sense why they would actively promote things we know objectively to be evil.

00:19:41.000 They are promoting ideas that are literally destroying this country right before our eyes.

00:19:47.000 They're destroying our energy sector on the lie about the environment, which, by the way, is modern idolatry.

00:19:54.000 And they're so there, you can't talk to the left anymore because they don't tell the truth about anything.

00:20:00.000 They are blinded, and I think they're spiritually blind.

00:20:03.000 I know this isn't a political interview, but it's all interconnected.

00:20:07.000 Trust me, I'm fine to go there if you want to.

00:20:09.000 Yes, yeah, me too.

00:20:10.000 And I, well, but I think, you know, part of what they do is try to convince everybody that evil doesn't really exist.

00:20:20.000 And now, now, what the left is doing is so distorting the language that we are the evil ones because we are resisting evil.

00:20:28.000 Well, you just can't even, and people that say we ought to reach across the aisle, we ought to try to work with these people, as Russ said, and I've said, you can't, you can't make a bargain with these evil forces.

00:20:40.000 I'm not saying leftist people are evil.

00:20:43.000 What they do, what they're promoting is evil.

00:20:46.000 There is no question about some of them unwittingly, others wittingly, but it's destroying everything this country stands for.

00:20:53.000 It's destroying the education system, the rest.

00:20:56.000 I could go through, as you probably do every day, 10 existential threats in the United States.

00:21:01.000 Paul, in this book, he's saying you have to be prepared.

00:21:06.000 Put on the armor of God.

00:21:07.000 Go to scripture.

00:21:08.000 Go to God in prayer.

00:21:10.000 So you will empower yourself to be able to resist these evil forces because you need it.

00:21:17.000 We need to be able to fight spiritual evil with spiritual good, with the God of the Bible, with the Holy Spirit, with Jesus Christ.

00:21:24.000 And that's really, I think, the essential message of the spiritual aspect, spiritual warfare aspect of these letters.

00:21:32.000 Yeah, so as Paul writes this, and some people, I think, cherry-pick parts of Paul.

00:21:40.000 They just cherry-pick parts of the Bible to confirm their own kind of secular view.

00:21:45.000 Some people would say, well, Charlie, in Romans 13, it says we must obey the government no matter what.

00:21:50.000 And it obviously doesn't come with any sort of, in my personal opinion, civic understanding of actually who the rulers are in America, which is the people are the rulers.

00:21:58.000 Can you talk a little bit about that?

00:22:00.000 Because you're the only one I know other than me who's made that observation.

00:22:05.000 We are the rulers.

00:22:07.000 That's exactly right.

00:22:08.000 And we have a duty to make ourselves better.

00:22:12.000 So we don't even have a conflict in that issue.

00:22:14.000 If we lived in a Soviet Russia, we may have a problem threading that needle, although I don't think we do. 0.72

00:22:21.000 There's other versions.

00:22:22.000 And by the way, it says in Romans 13, they're there for your good.

00:22:26.000 So in the Soviet Union, if they're not for your good.

00:22:28.000 But, you know, I say this to pastors all the time, you know, during the lockdowns, vaccine stuff, and all this.

00:22:32.000 Pastors would say, well, we can't question the government, Romans 13.

00:22:35.000 And I'd say, wait, hold on.

00:22:36.000 It doesn't say the government.

00:22:38.000 It says rulers and authority.

00:22:40.000 And our system, our constitutional system, the people are the sovereign.

00:22:45.000 That's it.

00:22:46.000 That's so well stated.

00:22:47.000 I'm just gratified that you said that because I have said that myself.

00:22:51.000 I don't even know if I've said it out loud, but I've said it in my mind.

00:22:55.000 Well, it's so, but can you talk more broadly here about the cultural implications?

00:23:00.000 Because we have a political audience and a religious audience.

00:23:02.000 Where does Paul talk about the need to, let's just say, fight evil?

00:23:06.000 Can you give some examples of how Paul gives us the spiritual equipment to be able to fight this treachery and this deceit?

00:23:16.000 And how does it apply to the times we're living in today?

00:23:19.000 Well, one thing he says is, I don't know if this is directly responsive, but one thing he says is that one thing the Bible says is we don't, God doesn't promise us freedom from suffering or struggling.

00:23:34.000 In fact, it promises that we will struggle.

00:23:37.000 But what we need to remember is keep the long view in mind and keep our eyes on God because God created man to enjoy eternal life with him, and we fell.

00:23:51.000 And the only way we could be redeemed is for him to send his son, as I said.

00:23:55.000 And then those who have faith with him will be joined with him for eternal life.

00:24:00.000 But you have to keep your mind on that hope and that assurance.

00:24:04.000 And that hope, by the way, as I mentioned in the book, it's not original for, and Kristen mentions in the book, it's not original for me to say this.

00:24:12.000 This hope is not like some hope.

00:24:15.000 Maybe it'll happen.

00:24:17.000 The hope actually means your assurance, your certainty that it will happen.

00:24:22.000 You're looking to that future, and that gives you peace and it gives you an inner joy, not some bliss, mindless bliss, but a joy ultimately that will allow you to withstand the struggles that we go through.

00:24:36.000 So I think we have to keep that long view in mind and know that no matter what happens, and this is hard for me to deal with myself.

00:24:43.000 I mean, I'm a hypocrite on this because I don't practice what I preach because I get very upset with what the left is doing in the here and now.

00:24:52.000 And I probably don't keep my mind focused enough on the spiritual truths about that.

00:24:58.000 I mean, I do, of course, but I'm still upset about what they're doing.

00:25:02.000 And I'm not sure there's really a conflict of that.

00:25:04.000 But I just, I really believe that Paul wants us to understand that we always can lean on Jesus.

00:25:11.000 And by the way, we do this throughout the day.

00:25:14.000 It helps us to practice the spiritual disciplines, to become closer to Christ.

00:25:19.000 Because just being converted and born-again Christian doesn't mean we're sin-free.

00:25:24.000 It means we've overcome the power of sin, and we've overcome sin for purposes of judicial purposes.

00:25:32.000 We are declared righteous, but we will still sin.

00:25:34.000 And when we do sin, we have to go back to God and ask for redemption.

00:25:39.000 Not so we'll save our salvation, preserve our salvation, but because it'll enhance our spiritual walk.

00:25:46.000 And I believe it does.

00:25:48.000 And the more you can stay in the word and in prayer, the more wholesome, the more grounded and stable you'll be.

00:25:56.000 And you won't let these vicissitudes of life, everyday life, get you as down.

00:26:01.000 Now, again, I have to be more practice more what I preach on that, but that's the idea.

00:26:07.000 Some people would say, well, look, Paul actually taught a different gospel than Jesus.

00:26:13.000 Is that the case?

00:26:15.000 I firmly reject that.

00:26:16.000 The Bible is the word of God.

00:26:18.000 And you can point to alleged inconsistencies of the Bible.

00:26:22.000 I have several books on hard sayings of the Bible, alleged inconsistencies, the Bible, encyclopedia of Bible difficulties.

00:26:30.000 And it's fascinating how the scholars go through those and explain them.

00:26:35.000 But I don't think that Paul deviates at all from the gospel.

00:26:41.000 He might augment it and add things.

00:26:43.000 Otherwise, there'd be no reason to have additional books in the Bible if the gospels told the whole story or if the Old Testament did.

00:26:50.000 It's all one integrated story, Old Testament, New Testament.

00:26:54.000 We need the whole thing to understand the glory, the majesty of God's plan for creation and human beings.

00:27:01.000 Jesus Christ himself said, I am the way, the truth, and the life.

00:27:06.000 There is no other way to the Father except through me.

00:27:09.000 Meaning, you have to put your saving faith in Christ for eternal life.

00:27:14.000 Paul is very explicit throughout and writes that.

00:27:17.000 And so these people who are works-based and faith plus works, I think are wrong.

00:27:22.000 I think the gospels and Paul's writings and the other New Testament writers are consistent that salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ.

00:27:33.000 Otherwise, the finished work on the cross is we're making a mockery of Christ's work on the cross.

00:27:39.000 Why would a God, why would the God become a human being?

00:27:44.000 And like it'd be worse than a human being becoming an ant.

00:27:48.000 Why would he do that if he didn't need to do it?

00:27:50.000 If human beings could pick themselves up by their own bootstraps, why would God become man?

00:27:56.000 It's this robust, incomprehensible love that led him to condescend.

00:28:02.000 And they got a love.

00:28:03.000 That's there you go.

00:28:04.000 That's a big thing.

00:28:05.000 Thank you, God.

00:28:06.000 Yeah.

00:28:07.000 And we know that actually in a discourse between Jesus and I think Nicodemus in John 2 or 3, obviously the most famous verse, for God so loved the world.

00:28:18.000 So the book is Resurrected Jesus, the Resurrected Jesus, the Church in the New Testament, David Limbaugh.

00:28:25.000 And it's a very important book for anyone that might be new to faith or someone that even is, you know, maybe you're the expert and you know all this stuff already.

00:28:32.000 I bet you'll learn something though.

00:28:33.000 It's very important.

00:28:34.000 And it's also a series in other books as well.

00:28:38.000 This is kind of a genre you're creating, right?

00:28:40.000 Yeah, the first was Jesus on Trial, the apologetics and faith journey.

00:28:44.000 Second was the Emmaus Code, Jesus in the Old Testament, how he's prophesied and all that blows people away when they read about that.

00:28:50.000 And then the true Jesus, which is a compendium of the gospels in chronological order.

00:28:55.000 Jesus is risen, the last one, which was the first, the book of Acts and Paul's first six epistles.

00:29:01.000 This one, the resurrected Jesus, the final seven epistles of Paul.

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00:30:11.000 David, skeptics or people that used to be Christians, that's an interesting question.

00:30:16.000 Can someone actually stop being a Christian? 0.94

00:30:18.000 I love your thoughts on that.

00:30:19.000 If they say they give their life to Christ, was it actually authentic?

00:30:21.000 And that's not my question.

00:30:23.000 They say that there is contradictions in Paul's writing.

00:30:26.000 Do you believe that?

00:30:28.000 No.

00:30:29.000 No, but where you asked me first whether you can fall out of grace?

00:30:32.000 Was that your...

00:30:34.000 No, I actually, I didn't plan to ask you, but I'm curious your answer.

00:30:37.000 You know, I'm kind of a hybrid between a Calvinist and an Arminian.

00:30:41.000 And I'm not a five-point Calvinist.

00:30:44.000 I don't believe that God elects people to go to hell randomly and arbitrarily.

00:30:50.000 But I will say that so many of the writers I respect the most are Calvinist writers.

00:30:55.000 That's just another, they're such geniuses.

00:30:57.000 It's just a few things I disagree with.

00:30:59.000 I think there's scriptural authority for both views, honestly.

00:31:03.000 And you might call that inconsistent.

00:31:04.000 I don't think it's inconsistent, but it's troubling.

00:31:07.000 And why did God superintend the writing of the Bible to cause or to allow these kind of difficulties?

00:31:14.000 One theory I have is it causes people like you and me and others to really dig deeper into scripture.

00:31:20.000 And that ultimately leads us closer.

00:31:22.000 So now what was the other question you asked?

00:31:25.000 I'm sorry.

00:31:25.000 No, the question was contradictions.

00:31:27.000 There actually is a nice parallel to that, which is some people would say, okay, Charlie, Paul talks about faith.

00:31:33.000 And then James, the half-brother of Jesus, says, well, without works, faith is dead.

00:31:38.000 I'm paraphrasing, right?

00:31:39.000 So how do I reconcile that?

00:31:42.000 Well, there's two different ways that I understand it.

00:31:45.000 One is that James was not talking about justification in the same way.

00:31:52.000 It was another use of the term where I think he was actually talking about sanctification, meaning becoming holier once you're a believer.

00:32:00.000 The other explanation is that what James is really saying, without a demonstration of the fruit of the Holy Spirit, without a demonstration of good works, it is a pretty good indication that you were not saved in the first place.

00:32:15.000 And so I think the thrust of the New Testament writers overwhelmingly is that it's faith alone is what leads to salvation, faith alone in Christ.

00:32:25.000 Yeah, there are some things, faith plus baptism and all that kind of thing.

00:32:29.000 And you think, well, why did that?

00:32:31.000 But ultimately, the thrust of it, you read all scripture in context, and I don't think there's any real doubt about it.

00:32:39.000 And so I don't understand why so many Christian denominations or some Christian denominations add works to the mix.

00:32:46.000 Works are critically important, though.

00:32:49.000 And I, because I think this is a misunderstanding, too.

00:32:53.000 Just because, and Paul addresses this directly.

00:32:56.000 So now I have faith and now I'm saved.

00:32:58.000 Does that mean I'm free to sin?

00:32:59.000 And he says, by no means.

00:33:01.000 Yeah, he says that in Romans.

00:33:03.000 He's like, are we now supposed to just going to throw, can we do whatever we want?

00:33:06.000 Like Romans 6 or something.

00:33:07.000 Yes, yes.

00:33:08.000 And no, he goes on to say we have actual higher duty.

00:33:11.000 That's exactly what we call it.

00:33:12.000 Yeah, we have a higher calling.

00:33:13.000 That's right.

00:33:13.000 Yeah.

00:33:13.000 And by the way, guess who's laid out that higher duty?

00:33:16.000 Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount.

00:33:18.000 You read the standards that he exacted.

00:33:22.000 Yeah, you just, it's absurd.

00:33:24.000 And I used to think, why did he do that?

00:33:26.000 Well, now I think I've come to understand the reason he did is to demonstrate just how we really are sinners and we're hopeless without him.

00:33:34.000 For example, you know, instinctively, you know, unless you're dishonest with yourself, that we have evil thoughts as human beings.

00:33:45.000 And when Jesus said, you're looking at a girl and lusting after her in your heart, you have committed adultery or rape or whatever, adultery probably.

00:33:56.000 Now, I first thought, what?

00:33:58.000 Is that hyperbole?

00:33:59.000 And the truth is, I don't think what he's saying is to think a thought, an evil thought, is as bad as acting on it.

00:34:05.000 I think we get points for restraining ourselves and controlling ourselves through the Holy Spirit.

00:34:12.000 But it points out that it really, he doesn't say it's just as evil.

00:34:16.000 He says it's evil.

00:34:17.000 And I don't know about you, but I know that I have evil thoughts and that there's no way I can save myself.

00:34:23.000 It's absurd.

00:34:24.000 We cannot live in the presence of a holy, perfect God without appropriating the finished work of his son on the cross.

00:34:31.000 We just can't do it.

00:34:32.000 So I don't, it just doesn't bother me.

00:34:35.000 These higher standards now, I used to look at them as that's right.

00:34:38.000 And that's where Paul comes in.

00:34:40.000 He says, hey, if you want to renew your mind, don't conform to the ways of this world.

00:34:43.000 Romans 12, 2.

00:34:44.000 Phenomenal book, Resurrected Jesus.

00:34:47.000 You're welcome back anytime.

00:34:48.000 I'd love to have you talk about your other books as well.

00:34:50.000 It's just terrific.

00:34:52.000 And I had so many other questions I plan to ask you, but we only have some.

00:34:55.000 Can I just say one thing?

00:34:56.000 My daughter just added so much to this book, and I feel bad because I meant to ask about that.

00:35:01.000 I'm sorry.

00:35:02.000 Yes.

00:35:02.000 Yeah, I know.

00:35:02.000 We ran out of time, but she substantively added, I wanted to help jumpstart her.

00:35:06.000 She's already a writer, and I wanted to help her get into the book writing.

00:35:09.000 And her prayers and her addition to the text are really moving to me, I think.

00:35:14.000 So we'll see.

00:35:15.000 Well, we'll have her on with you next time as well.

00:35:18.000 David, God bless you.

00:35:19.000 Thank you so much.

00:35:19.000 Phenomenal work.

00:35:20.000 Thank you.

00:35:21.000 Appreciate your work very much.

00:35:23.000 Thank you.

00:35:24.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:25.000 Email me your thoughts as always.

00:35:26.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:28.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:35:29.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 09, 2022

The Resurrected Jesus with David Limbaugh

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