The Charlie Kirk Show - The RFK Jr. Interview

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00:01:16.000 Bobby Kennedy, welcome back to the program.

00:01:18.000 Charlie, thanks for having me.

00:01:20.000 The last time I saw you, you were exiting a stage after endorsing President Trump here in Phoenix, and you endorsed him on the Make America Healthy Again promise and platform.

00:01:33.000 Catch me up to speed.

00:01:33.000 How have things been since then?

00:01:35.000 Well-received?

00:01:37.000 Yeah, I mean, like, enormous.

00:01:42.000 of surprising, very touching enthusiasm from the public.

00:01:49.000 You know, I was on an airplane today, and this is pretty typical, that almost everybody in the section of the plane where I was sitting got their picture taken with me, including the whole crew.

00:02:03.000 People saying thanks to me.

00:02:06.000 I'm sure there are half the people in the country who are angry at me, and I get some of that.

00:02:13.000 But I think those people are much less likely to voice their feelings than the people who are enthusiastic about it.

00:02:23.000 And then I've been on the road pretty much full time.

00:02:28.000 I'm on the road now for three weeks campaigning for President Trump.

00:02:32.000 Oh, it's all right.

00:02:33.000 You know, it's been good.

00:02:35.000 Well, I want to just commend you and say it was a thing of great courage that you did, and it was the right thing.

00:02:40.000 And it has brought millions of people to this cause.

00:02:43.000 And we see a unique moment here where there is this unity ticket that is forming, yourself, Tulsi Gabbard, Elon Musk, and it is not Republican or Democrat.

00:02:53.000 What is it?

00:02:54.000 What is the unifying thread between President Trump, yourself, Tulsi Gabbard, and traditional Republicans?

00:03:02.000 Well, I think it's clear that there's a realignment going on.

00:03:08.000 I studied American history in college, and one of the things that you study when you study American history, there's been these realignments that have happened, about four big realignments that have happened in our country during its history, and we're going through one of those now.

00:03:27.000 It's hard to tell where we'll end up, but it's funny because it's almost a direct inversion of the party features and characteristics that I grew up with.

00:03:38.000 I grew up with a Democratic Party that was people called Kennedy Democrats.

00:03:44.000 It was a party that was against the war, against war, that wanted to lead with diplomacy rather than military action.

00:03:53.000 It was a party that was very pro-civil rights, and that meant constitutional rights, and particularly freedom of speech.

00:04:01.000 The word liberalism is derived from a term meaning freedom of speech.

00:04:06.000 It was a party that was very skeptical of the subversion, very alert to the immersion, to the corporate domination.

00:04:20.000 And subversion of American democracy.

00:04:22.000 It was the party that was the party of the poor, the working poor, the middle class, Main Street, and today, and then it was the party that was on the side of the most vulnerable people.

00:04:38.000 Today, it is the party of war, extraordinarily, very, very bellicose. 0.74

00:04:44.000 I mean, even at the convention, you had Kamala Harris giving a speech that was, you know, it was just a neocon.

00:04:52.000 It was indecipherable from something George W. Bush would have said 20 years ago.

00:04:55.000 Or Dick Cheney.

00:04:56.000 Correct.

00:04:57.000 Well, because he endorsed her.

00:04:58.000 Right.

00:05:00.000 And then Dick Cheney and John Bolton and 225 neocons have endorsed her.

00:05:06.000 And the fact that she's touting that now is extraordinary because these are the people that were like Darth Vader.

00:05:14.000 You know, Dick Cheney was Darth Vader to Democrats.

00:05:18.000 It's hard to explain to a younger voter how bad it was.

00:05:22.000 It's almost worse than how Trump is treated today.

00:05:24.000 Not as bad.

00:05:25.000 But it was very bad.

00:05:27.000 Yeah, but Dick Cheney and Jonathan Yoo and Paul Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld and these other neocons who gave us the Patriot Act, who launched the surveillance state, the censorship state, put the NSA looking at all of our telephone calls, etc.

00:05:52.000 Extraordinary renditions.

00:05:54.000 For the first time in American history, we are openly torturing people.

00:05:58.000 Something that George Washington refused to do during the American Revolution and that Abraham Lincoln Who essentially, Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War, both Washington and Lincoln said, I'd rather lose this war than torture, than lower ourselves morally to torture people because then we're no different than them.

00:06:19.000 And Lincoln published a document against torture that later became the Geneva Convention.

00:06:26.000 So this was really part of American history, the idea that we were suddenly torturing people.

00:06:31.000 And then, you know, they're the ones who gave us the Iraq War, which was the worst foreign policy dabble in American history. 0.90

00:06:40.000 We left Iraq, you know, we went in there under the pretense that they had weapons of mass destruction for your younger audience. 0.59

00:06:48.000 We left Iraq worse off than we found it.

00:06:51.000 We killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein ever did. 0.94

00:06:55.000 We've left Iraq this kind of incoherence.

00:06:59.000 It's not really even a nation anymore.

00:07:01.000 It's a war.

00:07:03.000 It's a warring... But warring tribes.

00:07:06.000 Yeah, between Shia and Sunni death squads.

00:07:10.000 It's now a proxy, almost utterly, of Iraq.

00:07:13.000 I mean, of Iran, which is the foreign policy outcome we've been trying to avoid for three decades. 0.99

00:07:20.000 It had been our bulwark against Iranian expansion in the Mideast, and the October 7th invasion by Hamas of Israel is really a direct result of that war. 0.69

00:07:32.000 Because it loosened Iranian muscle in the region.

00:07:38.000 We created ISIS out of that war. 0.85

00:07:41.000 And the spillover war with Syria, which is a direct result of our creation of ISIS, we drove between 2 and 4 million refugees up into Europe, which have destabilized all the Western democracies. 0.96

00:07:56.000 The rise we're seeing now, the emergence of totalitarianism across Europe, the end of free speech is a direct result of that decision.

00:08:05.000 Brexit is a result of that decision.

00:08:07.000 And it was literally the worst possible thing that we've ever done.

00:08:12.000 Now Dick Cheney and John Bolton engineered that, and they have not changed their opinion about it.

00:08:20.000 They still think it was great.

00:08:21.000 They think it still was all a good idea.

00:08:23.000 So when they're endorsing Kamala Harris, they're not endorsing her because they've changed.

00:08:30.000 They're endorsing her because the Democratic Party has completely changed.

00:08:34.000 And then at the convention, You had a CIA director speaking at the convention.

00:08:40.000 Right before Kamala Harris, on the final night.

00:08:42.000 Right.

00:08:44.000 Prime time.

00:08:44.000 That blew my mind.

00:08:45.000 Leon Panetta.

00:08:47.000 That could have never happened in American history.

00:08:49.000 No, of course not.

00:08:50.000 And then you had a bunch of military people speaking, too.

00:08:53.000 It was really this extraordinary display of the change of the party.

00:08:57.000 The party is now the party of censorship.

00:09:00.000 Both Harris and and waltz have made these extraordinary decision declarations that What they call misinformation and disinformation is not protected by the First Amendment.

00:09:12.000 The First Amendment is conditional It's a privilege that they're gonna remove from people like Hillary Clinton has said that yeah Hillary Clinton said I think this week. 0.87

00:09:21.000 That's right Extraordinary it should be illegal to spread misinformation.

00:09:25.000 Yeah, and I to me that is Yes.

00:09:27.000 statement is a disqualifier for being president of the United States.

00:09:31.000 If you do not understand that censorship is utterly inconsistent with democracy,

00:09:37.000 and particularly the exemplary democracy, the democracy that's supposed to be the

00:09:40.000 example to the rest of the world, if you don't understand that, then you

00:09:44.000 should not be president of the United States.

00:09:47.000 It should be an absolute bar.

00:09:49.000 It should be like… Like if you were born as a non-citizen or something, right? 0.99

00:09:55.000 Exactly.

00:09:55.000 It should be like that.

00:09:56.000 It should be a disqualification. 0.78

00:09:57.000 And when you become a citizen of the United States, you have to… No, of course, that's what I'm saying.

00:10:02.000 It would be like being born in Japan, like, not on a military base.

00:10:04.000 Like, you can't be president.

00:10:05.000 You can't be president.

00:10:06.000 I totally agree.

00:10:08.000 And I want to dive into this.

00:10:09.000 Let me just finish this thought, okay?

00:10:12.000 Then we can move on.

00:10:13.000 No, it's great.

00:10:16.000 It's become the party now of Wall Street, of Big Pharma, Big Tech, Goldman Sachs, BlackRock.

00:10:22.000 Of, you know, big data, of the military industrial complex, of big pharma, big ag, big food, all of these.

00:10:33.000 But not the little guys.

00:10:35.000 The perennial villains.

00:10:36.000 Big, big, big, big, but not the little guys.

00:10:37.000 And, you know, one of the points that I think is extraordinary that I've made is that in You had roughly 50% of the people in this country voting for President Trump, and you had roughly 50% voting for President Biden.

00:10:54.000 But the 50% voting for President Trump owned only 30% of the wealth of this country.

00:11:00.000 The 50 percent who are voting for Biden own 70 percent.

00:11:03.000 So it actually you've had this complete inversion where when I was growing up, the rich, you know, the Rockefeller Republicans.

00:11:11.000 Right.

00:11:12.000 And today, you know, the Republican Party is the party of war, is the party that firefighter.

00:11:19.000 of the cop, you had Sean O'Brien, the Teamster president, speaking, keynoting at the Republican

00:11:27.000 Convention.

00:11:28.000 And getting a warm welcome from the audience.

00:11:30.000 Yeah.

00:11:31.000 And then I witnessed J.D. Vance at not only on a little speaking tour that I did with

00:11:38.000 him but also we both spoke at the International Firefighters Convention in Boston.

00:11:45.000 And he was talking about the importance of collective bargaining.

00:11:47.000 So it's so crazy.

00:11:49.000 And so I want to try to drill down how this happened, because my working theory is that going into 2016, Hillary Clinton is truly an oligarch, and she does represent the needs, wants, and interests of the ruling class. 0.99

00:12:05.000 The way the 2016 election was supposed to go was oligarch on oligarch.

00:12:08.000 It was supposed to be Jeb Bush versus Hillary Clinton, and they could disagree on tax rates. 0.86

00:12:12.000 But they agree on every other issue.

00:12:14.000 They agree on foreign policy, censorship, war, you name it.

00:12:19.000 But they'll disagree on tax rates.

00:12:21.000 Or some other wonky stuff.

00:12:23.000 And they'll disagree on health care, but not in any meaningful way.

00:12:26.000 It's just who pays for it.

00:12:28.000 Yeah, and they'll both pander to the AstraZeneca, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, and Pfizer.

00:12:33.000 So then Donald Trump comes, and he basically kicked the rich out of the Republican Party.

00:12:39.000 Yeah, that's a really good way to put it.

00:12:41.000 Yeah.

00:12:43.000 Whereas if you read Robert Reich, I read him a lot.

00:12:49.000 He's not dumb. 0.92

00:12:50.000 No, he's very smart, but utterly zero intellectual integrity. 0.99

00:12:56.000 He's all tribalism.

00:12:58.000 He's such a disappointment to me.

00:12:59.000 He was an advisor to my uncle.

00:13:01.000 He was a hero to me for most of his life because of the criticism that he gave.

00:13:05.000 There's a lot of good things he's done.

00:13:06.000 Right, of the 1%.

00:13:09.000 But he is absolutely devoid of any kind of intellectual integrity now.

00:13:14.000 It's all tribalism and partisanship and, you know, it's really reprehensible.

00:13:20.000 And it goes back down to this, which is they will tell you, if you had Robert Reich privately in a room and he's given truth serum, he said, I totally agree, Bobby, but Trump is a bigger threat.

00:13:30.000 Well, that's the whole thing is the whole party is really the party of Donald Trump.

00:13:37.000 It's like a... The Democrat Party, you mean?

00:13:39.000 The Democratic Party.

00:13:40.000 That's so insightful.

00:13:41.000 Because it's like a kid who hates their parent and becomes their parent, you know, because their whole focus is on not becoming their parent and in demonizing them.

00:13:51.000 Why do you not pay your taxes?

00:13:52.000 Because my parents insulted me when I was 15 years old.

00:13:54.000 It's their whole life.

00:13:56.000 And that's what, you know, the Democratic Party has become.

00:14:00.000 I remember, you know, this revelation that I had with the Democratic Party.

00:14:05.000 Donald Trump came out against NAFTA, and the Democratic Party suddenly was pro-NAFTA.

00:14:12.000 And I was like, how did that happen?

00:14:14.000 Are they really just doing it because he's against it?

00:14:16.000 And then, you know, I was down at the wall here in Yuma, and I saw that, you know, that next, there's 27 gaps in the wall where all of the immigrants come through. 1.00

00:14:28.000 Those gaps, each one of them have a pile of material next to them that was purchased by the United States government under Trump.

00:14:38.000 And then the construction was halted the day that President Biden came into office, and the fences were actually removed in some cases.

00:14:48.000 The long-distance cameras were removed, the censoring equipment was removed that could have stopped or stemmed this, you know, this invasion that looks... You go down, I was down there, it looks like the beginning of the Boston Marathon at that gate every time.

00:15:03.000 It does, I know.

00:15:05.000 And the border patrol, Chris Clem, who is the chief of the border patrol, told us the story because he said, I've been begging Mayorkas to come down here from day one. 1.00

00:15:15.000 Begging them to show what is happening because nobody can look at this and say this is a good idea

00:15:21.000 at the Sinaloa drug cartels have buses

00:15:27.000 Lined up these big shiny new buses with 55 people on each coming in. I've seen it

00:15:33.000 And that's not an exaggeration people getting off and coming across

00:15:36.000 This is not a good idea to have the Sinaloa drug cartel in charge of America 1.00

00:15:41.000 It's also bad for the girls that are being trafficked. 1.00

00:15:43.000 It's awful.

00:15:43.000 Oh, and then, yeah, there's a rape tree there where they, you know... And I've seen the rape tree.

00:15:46.000 You've seen it.

00:15:47.000 It takes your breath away.

00:15:49.000 Yeah, and so, and Chris Clemson said, so I got Mayorkas down here, finally.

00:15:56.000 And he agreed, as any human being would, this is a bad idea.

00:15:59.000 So he said, we're going to complete the fence.

00:16:01.000 Oh, we're not going to use Donald Trump's material.

00:16:04.000 We're going to use a different material that's a different color.

00:16:07.000 government went and bought new material.

00:16:07.000 So the U.S.

00:16:10.000 I didn't know any of this.

00:16:12.000 So there's parts of the fence where it's kind of a silverish color, whereas the Trump fence is that red, rusty color.

00:16:21.000 And it looks like a bridge or something, an old industrial bridge.

00:16:28.000 But the Biden fence is just like a chain-link fence that is a silverish color, and it doesn't even go into the ground, which of course is where they're coming under.

00:16:40.000 The really bad people are doing this.

00:16:41.000 And it was so clearly political pettiness rather than what's good for our country, right?

00:16:50.000 It's we've got to do whatever Trump didn't do.

00:16:52.000 We need to do whatever Trump says has got to be wrong.

00:16:55.000 And, you know, we've reversed.

00:16:58.000 Listen, I worked.

00:17:00.000 My father, one of his close political associates was Cesar Chavez.

00:17:06.000 My father was killed in 68.

00:17:08.000 Cesar Chavez was the first person he told that he was going to run for president.

00:17:13.000 Chavez helped him win the state of California in the 1980 campaign.

00:17:18.000 I worked for my uncle, Ted Kennedy, who was running for president then, and I worked here in Arizona.

00:17:23.000 We won the state of Arizona.

00:17:25.000 In the primary?

00:17:27.000 Against Carter.

00:17:28.000 Because Cesar Chavez sent lowriders, these lowrider clubs, which are mainly Hispanic, Down to Arizona to get out the vote. 0.98

00:17:38.000 Thousands of people, riders, who went to all the elderly homes and brought people to the polls.

00:17:45.000 And we won the state because of that.

00:17:46.000 So Chavez was always close to my family.

00:17:51.000 I worked with him very closely the last decade of his life, from about 1983 until 1993 when he died.

00:18:00.000 And I was one of the pallbearers in his funeral.

00:18:03.000 The two issues that he was focused on, one was pesticides, okay?

00:18:08.000 Because Hispanic farm workers are the biggest, you know, there's 12,000 farm workers who are poisoned

00:18:15.000 every year and their families are all.

00:18:16.000 Oh, it's terrible.

00:18:18.000 But the other issue was immigration.

00:18:20.000 He wanted to end the illegal immigration. 0.75

00:18:22.000 This was a democratic issue.

00:18:23.000 I say this and people don't believe me.

00:18:25.000 Yeah.

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00:19:27.000 What was Cesar Chavez's argument?

00:19:29.000 Why did he want to restrict immigration?

00:19:31.000 Because it was all of the illegal immigrants who would work for pennies because they were desperate and hungry and could not get a legal job. 1.00

00:19:41.000 And the growers were, you know, were predatory and were employing them and that was destroying his capacity to negotiate for wages and conditions of the workers who were American-born workers.

00:19:56.000 And it wasn't, and you know, I saw Tucker the other day defending himself because somebody said he was racist because he was saying, you know, there were people coming into our country who were, you know, from foreign countries and he said, He said, I'm not objecting to them because they're Hispanic.

00:20:14.000 I want to protect Hispanic workers who were born here.

00:20:17.000 Those are Americans.

00:20:18.000 We want to protect U.S.

00:20:19.000 passport holders.

00:20:20.000 That's the social contract, right?

00:20:21.000 Yeah.

00:20:22.000 And so this, to your great credit though, You could have, but you chose not to, done the Trump hating thing.

00:20:30.000 You could have stayed within the circles of the Democrat Party.

00:20:34.000 You could have been at the DNC.

00:20:35.000 You could have been around your family.

00:20:37.000 But you made a decision, and it didn't start with the endorsement of Trump.

00:20:40.000 It started, and I want to get to that, this journey that you've been on, which is amazing, by the way.

00:20:44.000 I just love your story about cleaning up the Hudson River, if I remember correctly, right?

00:20:49.000 Um, to environmental issues, to how we're getting poisoned, to a love of environment, which, by the way, I share your love of environment, which is, I can't say an environmentalist that say, C, don't touch, drives me crazy.

00:21:01.000 Right?

00:21:01.000 And that's a whole topic for a different time, but I think that's really important.

00:21:03.000 It's actually made there for us.

00:21:09.000 My kind of ideology or my journey was I started my environmental career working for commercial fishermen on the Hudson River.

00:21:19.000 That's a great story.

00:21:20.000 And recreational fishermen.

00:21:22.000 So these were people, they were capitalists.

00:21:25.000 Small business owners, but they were getting their hands dirty and they were, you know, up to their, they were wearing waders and they're up to their hips in the water and they were harvesting a resource with the fish.

00:21:37.000 They were making sure that they were sustainably harvest.

00:21:41.000 They were regulating it themselves.

00:21:44.000 And so I've never been a look, but don't touch environmentalists.

00:21:48.000 And I got, you know, I got at odds with the environmental movement because I represent 20% of my time is representing indigenous people.

00:21:55.000 Who were saying, we actually want to exploit a resource of our land.

00:22:00.000 We want to do it sustainably.

00:22:02.000 We live here and nobody should tell us that we should move to make it a national park.

00:22:07.000 We're here.

00:22:08.000 And that's, you know, in Latin America and Canada and even in the United States.

00:22:12.000 So I've always been, you know, the important, we're part of the environment.

00:22:16.000 We are part of the ecosystem and, you know, and that, and we just have to learn to live in it sustainably.

00:22:22.000 I just want to thank you for that.

00:22:23.000 It really clarified for me.

00:22:24.000 I said, I'm against that, if you will, because I think that the environment needs to be protected, but it's there for our benefit and for our enjoyment and our flourishing and obviously for future generations.

00:22:36.000 So you decide to run as a Democrat, as a primary, and Biden treats you terribly.

00:22:41.000 And I want to get into some of the recent news since I've seen you last because the party democracy has made a quite a u-turn recently from saying that we want Bobby Kennedy off the ballot but now we want him on the ballot.

00:22:53.000 It all depends on what state and what jurisdiction.

00:22:55.000 But what is it about you that wanted to pursue truth above comfort?

00:23:00.000 I'm always interested in this because you have not chosen an easy life.

00:23:03.000 You've not decided to do what's easy in the Democrat Party.

00:23:08.000 Why is that?

00:23:09.000 Well, I think... I mean, for me, I feel like I need to do what is the... I live my life, and I need to do the next right thing.

00:23:18.000 I need to do what the correct thing is, no matter what kind of the costs are.

00:23:23.000 And, you know, I've shared this story in other places, but about two weeks before he died, my father gave me a book.

00:23:30.000 How old were you?

00:23:31.000 I was 14.

00:23:33.000 So, he gave me a book by Camus called The Plague.

00:23:38.000 Cameron's dangerous stuff sometimes.

00:23:40.000 And he told me, you know, with this particular intensity, I want you to read this.

00:23:45.000 And he gave me, he gave me reading material all the time.

00:23:48.000 He gave me poems or articles or books and said, would say, you know, to all of us, to all of his 10 kids that, you know, my 11th was born after he died, my little sister Rory.

00:24:00.000 But, but so then he dies two weeks later.

00:24:04.000 I'm with him when he dies in Los Angeles.

00:24:08.000 And so I spent a lot of time in that part of my life trying to figure out what I was supposed to do with my life and what his intention was in handing me this book.

00:24:21.000 So I read it a number of times.

00:24:24.000 About a doctor who's living in a quarantined city at their early part of the 20th century, and there is a plague that is ravaging the city.

00:24:32.000 And the name of the plague and the name of the city are never named, but it's a new illness that nobody has any experience with.

00:24:41.000 And it has a very, very high infection fatality rate.

00:24:44.000 So everybody is catching it, is dying.

00:24:47.000 And the first part of the book takes place in the head of the main character, who's a doctor.

00:24:55.000 He's locked in his apartment and he's deciding whether he should go out and minister to the sick.

00:25:01.000 And he's saying to himself, I'm not going to be able to do any good anyway because nobody knows how to treat this disease.

00:25:08.000 I have no idea what I'm dealing with and if I go out there, I'm almost certain to get sick and die.

00:25:15.000 He's having this conversation.

00:25:17.000 Ultimately, he goes out, and he does his duty.

00:25:22.000 And Camus was an existentialist, but he was part of this tradition.

00:25:27.000 He was kind of the legate of the traditions of Stoicism that came from the Greek and Romans.

00:25:33.000 Yes.

00:25:33.000 Right.

00:25:33.000 Marcus Aurelius, right.

00:25:36.000 And who is, you know, the great figure, the great philosopher of Stoicism.

00:25:41.000 And Epictetus is the other, yes.

00:25:43.000 I love the Stoics.

00:25:44.000 We could do a whole show on Stoics.

00:25:45.000 I didn't mean to interrupt, but yeah.

00:25:46.000 Yeah, so he wrote another book, Camus, about the iconic hero of Zoacism, which was Sisyphus.

00:25:57.000 And Sisyphus is a human who does some favor to humanity, but it offends the gods, and he's punished, cursed for eternity.

00:26:07.000 To roll a boulder up a hill, and he's supposed to get it over the other side of the hill, but he gets to the summit every day.

00:26:12.000 He rolls it all day long, and he gets to the top of the summit, and it always rolls back on him, and it kind of mangles him, and then he has to walk all the way down the hill and start it all night, and then the morning he starts pushing again.

00:26:26.000 And in the eyes of most people, Sisyphus is, you know, at the sort of nadir of misery, you know.

00:26:34.000 It's a miserable life and meaningless, etc.

00:26:37.000 But in fact, according to Kemo and others, Sisyphus is a happy man because he puts his shoulder to the stone.

00:26:48.000 He does his duty.

00:26:50.000 He embraces the hardship of his life and he takes it on.

00:26:53.000 And in doing his little duty himself, like the doctor in the plague, He brings order to a chaotic universe and ultimately he achieves satisfaction and happiness and fulfillment in his own heart.

00:27:13.000 My father embraced Stoicism after he was a very pious Catholic during most of his early life, all of his early life, and he believed in a very orderly universe where there was good versus evil and ultimately good would triumph.

00:27:30.000 When his brother was killed, it shattered him and he had to reassess all of his cosmology and his approach to life and his philosophy.

00:27:41.000 And he read extensively from the Edith Hamilton, from the Greek myths, from the Roman myths, mythology, from the Stoics.

00:27:50.000 From Shakespeare, from the poets, from the existentialists like Emerson and Thoreau and, you know, from the ballad poets like, you know, his favorite poem is Ulysses by Alfred Lord Tennyson and Yeats and Cates, etc.

00:28:09.000 And he kind of, you know, melded a new philosophy for himself that was rooted in Stoicism but also incorporated a lot of Traditional Catholic and Christian cosmology, but that's the way he approached life is that it allowed him to get back up and try again because, you know, what Stoicism says is we have a right and a duty to our effort.

00:28:36.000 We have no right nor duty.

00:28:39.000 We have no right to an outcome.

00:28:41.000 The outcome ultimately is in God's hands, and we have to live our lives without expectations.

00:28:48.000 We have to live our lives satisfied that we're doing the duty that we were assigned to do.

00:28:54.000 And that's how we, and that ultimately kind of throws the gauntlet at the gods and gives us the capacity to bring order to an absurd universe.

00:29:06.000 And, you know, my father sort of took that on and said, okay, I'm going to do, you know, what I was put here to do and do it to my maximum effort.

00:29:16.000 And, you know, whatever the cost, that's how, you know, that's how we, That's ultimately how we bring satisfaction and fulfillment to our own lives.

00:29:30.000 And so, you know, I integrated those lessons very early on in my life and said, you know, if you're supposed to do something, it doesn't really matter what the cause are and it doesn't matter what the result is.

00:29:43.000 The matter is, if you know what you're supposed to do, if you know what there are, God gave us brains.

00:29:49.000 He said, you know, be clever as serpents, be gentle as lambs, but be clever as serpents.

00:29:55.000 We gave us brains to try to figure out, you know, the paths to that kind of spiritual fulfillment, and that we have to each figure that out for ourselves.

00:30:06.000 And when we know what our path is, we take it no matter what the cost.

00:30:10.000 Do you look at your life as Sisyphus?

00:30:12.000 Well, I look at it that, you know, all of the people that I've admired in my life have gone through a period, you know, the historical figures, whether it's St.

00:30:25.000 Francis of Assisi, or whether it's Darwin, or whether it's any of the great heroes of history, including my father and my uncle.

00:30:37.000 They all went through a period in their lives where they were doubted by their friends, where they were isolated, where they had to walk through kind of a valley of darkness, where they had what St.

00:30:50.000 St. John of the Cross had called the dark night of the soul, where they were completely

00:30:57.000 alone in the world, and that part of the emblems of a successful life is that you do things

00:31:08.000 even when the crowd tells you not to do them.

00:31:11.000 So I don't, so when people like my family turn against me or other people who I love turn against me, I don't, you know, feel, I don't feel self-pity.

00:31:22.000 I don't feel, you know, anger, resentment.

00:31:26.000 I just feel that that's part of my path and that, you know, it has, it's a gift in many ways because the more opposition that you have if you, You're doing the right thing.

00:31:36.000 The more satisfaction there should be at the end.

00:31:40.000 What do you think your father wanted you to learn from that book?

00:31:43.000 I think that lesson, I think that, you know, we do our duty and that you have a duty to figure it out, to search and search and figure out what you're supposed to do.

00:31:56.000 And then you have to do it without any kind of regret or self-doubt.

00:32:04.000 And you have to do it, you know, even if there is a tremendous cost.

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00:33:13.000 If I read the headlines correctly, you're being investigated by the Marine Fishery?

00:33:18.000 What is, I mean, is this like the FBI of like fishing agencies or something?

00:33:23.000 No, but you know, I think it is part of the weaponization.

00:33:27.000 Is this a government agency?

00:33:29.000 It's a government agency.

00:33:30.000 Federal government agency.

00:33:30.000 Yeah, federal government agency.

00:33:32.000 And my daughter gave an interview in 2012 where she told a story about According to her memory is that I had cut the head off a dead whale that we found on the beach and put it on the roof of the car and brought it home.

00:33:48.000 And I've been collecting specimens my entire life and I would do something like that.

00:33:56.000 But this was 30 years ago.

00:33:58.000 Longer than I've been alive.

00:34:02.000 Yeah, so suddenly I get this note that I'm being, you know, this letter, a very formal letter of complaint saying I'm under investigation and asking me to fill out a questionnaire.

00:34:15.000 And I actually sent them a letter back saying, you know, I'm very, very I'm impressed by the alacrity with which you address this emergency.

00:34:26.000 But what it contrasts sharply, the agency is called National Marine Fisheries.

00:34:34.000 And that agency has stood by while the Atlantic whale populations are being wiped out by wind farms, by offshore wind farms.

00:34:46.000 Because it throws off their sonar or something, right?

00:34:48.000 Well, no.

00:34:50.000 They hear in low frequency.

00:34:52.000 The large whales, like the making whale, the right whale, humpback whale, hears in large frequencies.

00:35:00.000 And they do seismic testing, and then they're bounding 2,200 turbines.

00:35:06.000 These turbines have blades longer than the Eiffel Tower.

00:35:09.000 Whoa.

00:35:10.000 Oh, they have to be sunk deep into the bedrock.

00:35:13.000 Of course.

00:35:15.000 And when they're driven down there, that noise... Drives them to the coast, right?

00:35:18.000 That noise, yeah.

00:35:20.000 They're trying to escape that noise from anywhere they can because their ears are very, very sensitive.

00:35:25.000 And they're doing this now all over.

00:35:27.000 And the companies that are building it Of course it is.

00:35:33.000 Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, Morgan, Citibank, it's all foreign companies.

00:35:38.000 There's billions of dollars, 30% of the money comes from tax deductions.

00:35:49.000 And the foreign companies can't collect those because they're foreign companies.

00:35:54.000 So they go for financing to BlackRock States, BlackRock and Goldman.

00:35:59.000 And they then finance the project.

00:36:01.000 They can then take the advantage.

00:36:03.000 Nobody would build one of these because the energy is so expensive.

00:36:06.000 You build onshore wind, which I'm a big proponent of.

00:36:08.000 And their eyesores on the coastline.

00:36:10.000 Well, yeah, but it's not just eyesores.

00:36:12.000 It destroys the fisheries.

00:36:15.000 In fact, Nymphs wrote a notice.

00:36:20.000 Saying it was likely to lead to the collapse of the cod fishery because it's right on the... a lot of these are the centers of cod spawning on the Atlantic coast.

00:36:33.000 And the fishermen say, you know, and I deal a lot with commercial fishermen and I'm talking to them all the time and they say the fish have completely disappeared around these wind farms.

00:36:43.000 The wind farms are a bad idea from an environmental point of view.

00:36:47.000 The energy they need in order to make a profit, they need about 33 cents a kilowatt hour.

00:36:53.000 Onshore wind needs 11 cents a kilowatt hour.

00:36:56.000 The average price for energy in this country is about 16 cents a kilowatt hour.

00:37:01.000 So this is twice what the cost of energy is.

00:37:04.000 So it's going to drive up the cost of energy.

00:37:06.000 It's going to turn every American against green energy because it's supposedly green, but it's just a boondock.

00:37:12.000 A lot of the environmental movement now has been captured by these big corporations that are using the climate emergency.

00:37:24.000 To do these big geoengineering projects, to do carbon sequestration.

00:37:28.000 They're building pipelines all across the Midwest, destroying tens of thousands of acres of the best agricultural land in the world.

00:37:36.000 And it's really just big subsidies for the oil industry, for the methane industry, and for big ag, and for these big banking houses.

00:37:44.000 And I think the environmental movement has lost its way in allowing this to happen.

00:37:50.000 Most environmentalists that I know came into the environmental movement because they wanted to

00:37:54.000 save the whales.

00:37:55.000 Well that was the whole joke right? Is save the whales.

00:37:57.000 Now we're destroying them.

00:38:00.000 I want to crush Blackrock and save the whales. What does that make me?

00:38:03.000 Exactly.

00:38:05.000 Right and so again I'm going to keep because I think I want to find out

00:38:08.000 where is Sierra Club tying themselves to these windmills?

00:38:14.000 Where is Greenpeace, who famously would be the most extravagant—I'm being nice—in their demonstrations?

00:38:20.000 They seem muted, right?

00:38:22.000 They're muted.

00:38:25.000 There are groups.

00:38:26.000 There are about 17 environmental groups that have protested these wind farms, but they're all local groups.

00:38:32.000 They're all groups that care about them.

00:38:37.000 They wrote the law, the Inflation Reduction Act, that allowed these tax breaks to take place for these huge mega-projects, which they think is going to reduce carbon.

00:38:50.000 They're not going to reduce carbon.

00:38:52.000 And kill whales in the process.

00:38:55.000 And you cannot save the environment by destroying it.

00:38:59.000 We need to protect habitat.

00:39:00.000 We need to protect species.

00:39:04.000 Stop the toxins from going in, and the environmental movement doesn't seem to care about those anymore.

00:39:09.000 Why is that?

00:39:10.000 I don't know.

00:39:10.000 I mean, I was dumbfounded.

00:39:11.000 I have a theory, but yeah.

00:39:13.000 I was dumbfounded a year ago, because I've been working on endocrine-disrupting chemicals for most of my life, you know, PCBs and HODs, and these are chemicals that disrupt sexual development in human beings.

00:39:26.000 That's why puberty is starting so early for girls. 1.00

00:39:28.000 Puberty is now starting about six years early.

00:39:33.000 Average puberty onset for girls in this country is between 10 and 13 years old.

00:39:37.000 It's the lowest age of any country in the world.

00:39:40.000 And that's not a good thing, everybody.

00:39:41.000 That is a bad thing.

00:39:42.000 It's not something to brag about, right?

00:39:44.000 No, it's six years younger than it was a generation ago.

00:39:49.000 And then you have all these fertility issues in men. 0.81

00:39:52.000 Your sperm counts are dropping by half.

00:39:54.000 You have testosterone levels in teenagers that I think are about 50% lower.

00:39:59.000 I need to check that.

00:40:01.000 It's at best, actually.

00:40:02.000 I mean, if you compare the grandfather generation, it's like 75% down.

00:40:05.000 Yeah.

00:40:07.000 So, and a lot of those are endocrine-disrupting chemicals.

00:40:11.000 I'll give you one example, atrazine.

00:40:14.000 Atrazine, which is the second most prevalent pesticide in our country.

00:40:17.000 63% of drinking water in this country is contaminated with atrazine.

00:40:23.000 And atrazine is a very, very potent endocrine disruptor.

00:40:28.000 In fact, there's an African-American, very famous scientist called Tyler Hayes at Berkeley And Tyler Hayes did an experiment where he put 70 male frogs, African water frogs, in a tank.

00:40:45.000 And the water in the tank had atrazine levels under the EPA action levels.

00:40:51.000 So these are levels that are regarded as safe in America's water supply.

00:40:57.000 And many Americans are drinking much more than this.

00:41:01.000 And showering in it and swimming in it and, you know, etc.

00:41:04.000 And of those 70 frogs, they were all males, 60 of them were rendered sterile.

00:41:12.000 And 10 of them, 10% of those frogs turned female and were able to produce fertile eggs. 0.81

00:41:18.000 Is it turning the frogs gay? 0.97

00:41:20.000 Literally. 0.97

00:41:21.000 I'm giving you a hard time.

00:41:23.000 Yeah.

00:41:23.000 But Alex Jones famously went viral for that years ago and it seems like he wasn't totally off base.

00:41:28.000 Yeah, but he wasn't off base.

00:41:30.000 I mean, it's not about turning something gay at all.

00:41:38.000 His point was that there is a pollutant that is changing frogs in a study and people lost their money.

00:41:42.000 It's changing their gender identity, let me put that. 1.00

00:41:49.000 Not psychologically, but biologically.

00:41:53.000 It's actually changing their genders from male to female, and they can produce fertile eggs.

00:42:01.000 It's standard to use animal models to test toxics on, and then if the test is positive, then you go and do mammal models and you do human models.

00:42:14.000 And that study should have prompted interest in the scientific community and NIH to see whether this may be affecting human beings as well.

00:42:28.000 But that was never done.

00:42:29.000 So what I've said is, I don't know whether it's affecting human beings that way, but shouldn't we be doing that study to figure it out?

00:42:38.000 Anyway, my point was, my bigger point was that Tucker Carl, I've been struggling for 40 years to get the conservative news media to pay attention to Andrew Krine disruptors, with no success.

00:42:57.000 And then last year, Tucker Carlson does a one-hour special on it, and if I could have written it myself, I couldn't have done better.

00:43:07.000 He did just an incredible job, and he was condemned by the entire environmental community.

00:43:12.000 And it was just like this extraordinary turnaround.

00:43:14.000 It's the same thing as Trump derangement syndrome.

00:43:18.000 If Republicans have a good idea, I'll embrace it.

00:43:21.000 If Democrats have a good idea, I'll embrace it.

00:43:22.000 country. You can't have a country like that though. Yeah.

00:43:25.000 Right and so how do we...

00:43:27.000 I mean Lincoln said a house divided cannot stand. And it's self-evident right? I mean if

00:43:31.000 Republicans have a good idea I'll embrace it. If Democrats have a good idea

00:43:34.000 I'll embrace it. I don't care right? That's how I feel. Of course. Yeah. But I mean is

00:43:39.000 it a Trump specific thing? Let's say Trump wins. Oh it's Trump and Tucker. Sure

00:43:45.000 yeah no and that's what I'm saying though is that that was gonna be my

00:43:47.000 point is that it's actually bigger than Trump. Is that because Tucker's evidence.

00:43:51.000 Of that, is that it's not Trump derangement, it's, is it like free thinking derangement syndrome?

00:43:56.000 Yeah, I think it's a partisan, I think it's a tribalism.

00:44:02.000 I think we're hardwired for, you know, the 22,000 generations we spent on the African savannah, we're hardwired to, toward tribalism.

00:44:11.000 And, you know, we were wandering in little groups and warring groups that were, that relied On tribal loyalty for their survival and on unit cohesion and everybody believing the same things and everybody, our capacity to excuse the worst behavior from our tribal peers and attribute the worst motives and behavior to anybody outside and to dehumanize them.

00:44:37.000 And I think, you know, those are the neuronal pathways that are being lit up by a lot of this stuff because I know so many people, you know, Tucker did this extraordinary interview with Callie Means and Casey Means.

00:44:51.000 Changed the world.

00:44:52.000 That changed the world.

00:44:54.000 You can't send that to a Democrat and say, just listen to this.

00:44:59.000 You know, just listen to it.

00:45:00.000 Don't pretend it's not Tucker.

00:45:02.000 Just listen to the facts.

00:45:03.000 They won't do it.

00:45:04.000 They'll say it's Tucker.

00:45:05.000 It's got to be wrong.

00:45:06.000 And part of the thing... Something is really wrong with that.

00:45:10.000 It's so wrong, and I think it's deeper than Trump because the quote-unquote left, and I hate that term, but the solid left, they are now high trust of institutions where you and I are low trust of institutions.

00:45:22.000 We think the CIA is doing a bunch of nonsense, Department of Justice, Lawfare.

00:45:26.000 Pfizer, AstraZeneca, but if you take your average Democrat now, they used to be low trust of institutions 20 years ago, but they think institutions generally get things right, that there's nothing wrong with, you know, them spraying our food, you know, take the vaccine, take your ninth booster.

00:45:40.000 So I think the divide is high trust of the current ruling regime and you and I that have a vote of no confidence against the ruling regime.

00:45:48.000 And that's a really good way to analyze it.

00:45:50.000 Another way to analyze it is that the Democrats are more about centralization and central control.

00:45:59.000 And, you know, those would be in those institutions.

00:46:02.000 And that goes hand in hand.

00:46:05.000 With a mistrust of the people, a mistrust of the demos.

00:46:08.000 They do not trust the people, and that's why they don't trust elections.

00:46:13.000 So we have now two Democratic candidates who would not stand for election.

00:46:17.000 President Biden, who had to get rid of the primaries.

00:46:20.000 They literally abolished, you know, many of the primaries.

00:46:23.000 New Hampshire and Georgia and Florida.

00:46:27.000 And then another, a second candidate, when he was displaced by a palace coup, He was then replaced by Kamala Harris, who has never won a single vote.

00:46:39.000 Who, you know, when she ran in the last, in the 2020 election, she had 8% support in her own state and had to withdraw before the primaries began.

00:46:49.000 And so she was immensely unpopular, but somehow somebody picked her and nobody really understands how it was done.

00:46:56.000 And by the way, was this a Zoom call?

00:46:57.000 Or like, what was the process, right?

00:46:59.000 I mean, can someone, can a single reporter, was it like a conference call?

00:47:03.000 Was it like a group text?

00:47:04.000 The best part of the convention was when Chris Cuomo pointed up to the upper stands of the

00:47:11.000 stadium and said, yeah, they decide.

00:47:15.000 Nobody really knows who's up in those stands, but they're the ones who are.

00:47:18.000 Yeah, and just so you haven't seen the clip, it's Chris Cuomo, who I'm actually, I have

00:47:21.000 more and more respect for as time goes on.

00:47:23.000 He was pointing up to the top levels of the United Center in Chicago saying, those boxes

00:47:27.000 go for two and a half million bucks a piece.

00:47:29.000 And we don't really know who those people are, but they're like regime media donors

00:47:32.000 and big companies and they call the shots on the rest of us.

00:47:36.000 It was a unique physical representation of the Democrat Party, right?

00:47:40.000 Exactly.

00:47:42.000 And the ancillary to that Is that a profound mistrust of the people?

00:47:49.000 So elections are now no longer trustable, and that is one of the reasons for the censorship.

00:47:54.000 They don't trust the people to make good decisions, and so the only way they can control them is by controlling the information flow, which of course never works.

00:48:04.000 And I want to just ask you, is misinformation protected by the First Amendment?

00:48:09.000 I mean, lies are protected by the First Amendment, and that's absolutely critical because, you know, if you look at the progress of knowledge, of science, of philosophy, the ideas always Germinate from an idea that has been debunked, discredited, denounced by the reigning institutions.

00:48:09.000 Of course it is.

00:48:35.000 Like bloodletting.

00:48:37.000 Germ theory.

00:48:37.000 Right.

00:48:38.000 you know, tobacco, cigarettes are good for you, x-rays should, you know, all children, 0.95

00:48:43.000 all pregnant women should be x-rayed, etc. Thalidomide, all of these, you know, you can... 0.99

00:48:50.000 Ex-rays for pregnant women, right? 0.96

00:48:51.000 Exactly. You can think of a million of examples and that you need somebody, you need these

00:48:59.000 dissenting voices. A lot of times they're wrong, but a lot of times they turn out to be right.

00:49:04.000 And after the dialectic takes place in the conflict, which is why you have debate and

00:49:10.000 you have dialogue and the ideas that are annealed in the furnace of debate rise in the marketplace

00:49:16.000 of ideas and they become policies in a democracy.

00:49:19.000 And that process is circumvented if you start censoring speech, and democracy will no longer function.

00:49:27.000 Yet they're doing it in the name of democracy, which is the most sinister part of all this.

00:49:31.000 Yeah, they're destroying democracy.

00:49:32.000 I would call it Orwellian, but it's even darker than that.

00:49:35.000 It really is.

00:49:35.000 It's like Huxleian.

00:49:36.000 It is something else.

00:49:38.000 Because here they are lecturing us about democracy.

00:49:41.000 And what?

00:49:41.000 How many times?

00:49:42.000 You're trying to sue to get yourself off a ballot, right?

00:49:45.000 Yeah, I was suing to get myself on the ballot.

00:49:48.000 And now off the ballot.

00:49:49.000 And as soon as I entered... He flipped all of their posture.

00:49:54.000 Yeah, they all then started suing me to keep me on the ballot.

00:49:57.000 And, you know, I was helping the Democrats the whole time.

00:50:00.000 Of course you were.

00:50:01.000 It's funny, we had an inside joke being like, if Bobby keeps running, he's going to, you know, prevent Trump from winning.

00:50:06.000 Yeah.

00:50:07.000 But let me ask you, just as a principled question, was there a Republican Secretary of State or a Republican legal outfit that gave you a tough time about ballot access?

00:50:16.000 No.

00:50:17.000 Not a single one?

00:50:18.000 So there are more Republican Secretary of States than Democrat Secretary of States, including in battleground states.

00:50:18.000 No.

00:50:22.000 Yeah.

00:50:23.000 And were they fair and easy to work with, generally?

00:50:25.000 Yes, they were.

00:50:28.000 And some of the states, we were just shocked how, you know, there was no opposition.

00:50:34.000 They just said, yeah, he should be on the ballot.

00:50:36.000 And I hurt Trump, and Trump never tried to keep me off the ballot.

00:50:43.000 Never.

00:50:44.000 And Trump is the guy who is tagged with trying to destroy democracy, mainly because of January 6th.

00:50:44.000 Right.

00:50:52.000 And so that's the one thing, this incident that has become so big in the minds of Democrats, that people literally hate me.

00:51:02.000 People who are my friends have said, I cannot be your friend anymore.

00:51:05.000 That's terrible.

00:51:06.000 I had dinner the other night with Oliver Stone.

00:51:10.000 I want to meet Oliver Stone.

00:51:12.000 Yeah, and it was his birthday two nights ago, so two nights ago, Cheryl and I went and had dinner, and he lives right across the street from me.

00:51:21.000 And, you know, we're old friends, and he was there with a small handful of his closest friends.

00:51:29.000 His closest friend is James Woods.

00:51:31.000 Of course.

00:51:32.000 I love James.

00:51:33.000 He's a friend.

00:51:33.000 I text with James.

00:51:34.000 He's the most right-wing guy in Hollywood.

00:51:34.000 He's very smart.

00:51:37.000 Like a math whiz.

00:51:38.000 And Oliver is the most left-wing guy.

00:51:38.000 Right.

00:51:41.000 And they love each other.

00:51:42.000 I love that.

00:51:42.000 And I said to James, I said, well, you know, I was asking him about that.

00:51:48.000 And he said, people ask me all the time, how can you be friends with that guy?

00:51:52.000 And he says, because I live in the effing United States of America.

00:51:57.000 That's what we do in our country.

00:51:58.000 And you know, that was such a beautiful thing for him to say.

00:52:02.000 How does that make you feel?

00:52:03.000 is supposed to work. We're not supposed to be hating each other. So many people have

00:52:08.000 written me letters and said, I cannot be your friend anymore. People who I've known.

00:52:12.000 How does that make you feel? Is it liberating or is it sad?

00:52:15.000 It's sad, but you know, it also is, I feel like they're making a mistake.

00:52:27.000 There's nothing that I can do about it, so I just have to keep moving.

00:52:33.000 It's very, it's strange behavior.

00:52:36.000 There's people who are like, you know, a lot of people I grew up with, people I've, one guy who I've kayaked with on probably 50 rivers, first ascents in Latin America, and on the Arctic, from the Arctic to Patagonia, and you know, one of my closest friends from my whole life, living in the wilderness with this guy, living in tents all night, and you know, and being really, you know, In a foxhole with him and he just said I can't be your friend anymore And many many other people like that and it's um, it's a very very it's part of this phenomenon I think is Trump during you know, people describe as Trump derangement syndrome where You're gonna break up relationship because of a political choice, you know and there's so many other things that you have in common with them and you know that you

00:53:28.000 All of your values are still the same.

00:53:30.000 And there's nothing about me that's changed.

00:53:33.000 You know, it's like the Dick Cheney.

00:53:37.000 He's the same person.

00:53:39.000 I still don't like Dick Cheney.

00:53:40.000 Dick Cheney was the same person he was 20 years ago.

00:53:42.000 Exactly.

00:53:43.000 So if Democrats are applauding Dick Cheney, they changed.

00:53:46.000 He didn't.

00:53:47.000 Yeah, that's the point.

00:53:49.000 Dick Cheney loves war just as much.

00:53:52.000 Censorship.

00:53:53.000 Torture.

00:53:54.000 No, that's exactly right.

00:53:55.000 Patriot Act.

00:53:56.000 Surveillance.

00:53:57.000 He's an incredibly unethical person.

00:53:58.000 He's vengeful. 0.87

00:54:00.000 And his daughter, oh my goodness.

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00:55:08.000 And so we have this moment of realignment and you're campaigning very hard for President Trump around this unity ticket, which again I want to applaud you and say that for all the letters you get of people that say I can't be friends for you, there are no exaggeration millions of people that support you and pray for you and consider what you do to be one of the most courageous things in modern American politics.

00:55:27.000 I mean that.

00:55:29.000 And so, this race is very bizarre because they installed a candidate at the last moment.

00:55:35.000 President Trump seems to be very competitive right now with Kamala Harris.

00:55:38.000 Who knows who's winning or who's not winning.

00:55:40.000 Just this last weekend, another assassination attempt against President Trump.

00:55:45.000 What are we to make of this?

00:55:47.000 Do you think there's any credence to the idea that there might be someone within the government working to try to kill Donald Trump?

00:55:53.000 I don't know.

00:55:54.000 Should we dismiss it at face value?

00:55:56.000 No, we should not dismiss that at face value, but I don't know.

00:56:01.000 I think that we should actually make a real inquiry about what happened.

00:56:09.000 You mean not the Warren Commission?

00:56:11.000 Right, not the Warren Commission.

00:56:12.000 We need to have a real inquiry about what happened, and actually President Trump, when he introduced me, Well, if you were to speculate, why are the JFK files still classified?

00:56:22.000 said that he was going to do that. He said he was going to reopen the Kennedy assassination

00:56:26.000 and that he was also going to have a commission that would look at that and look at the attempt

00:56:31.000 at that time, the single attempt to assassinate him.

00:56:35.000 What if you were to speculate, why are the JFK files still classified? What are they

00:56:41.000 hiding?

00:56:42.000 I mean, the weird thing was that to me, that President Trump promised as a campaign promise

00:56:50.000 that he was going to declassify them.

00:56:52.000 And then he got in there and he didn't do it.

00:56:54.000 You have to wonder why that is.

00:56:55.000 Well, let me tell you.

00:56:57.000 And then President Biden ran and he promised the same thing and then he didn't do it.

00:57:02.000 I asked President Trump about that, you know, recently, and he said, oh, you were wondering about that.

00:57:08.000 We had a really sort of great conversation about it, and he said, Mike Pompeo called me, and he said, he begged me, he begged me, he said, you can't do it.

00:57:20.000 And I came in, and he said, I made a mistake.

00:57:22.000 So I have to interrupt.

00:57:24.000 Why is the CIA director so interested in an assassination?

00:57:27.000 That happened 60 years ago.

00:57:29.000 Was the CIA involved?

00:57:31.000 Well, clearly the CIA was involved in the assassination and in the cover-up.

00:57:31.000 Because they shouldn't be.

00:57:37.000 And the last tranche of documents that were released And by the way, you know, people shouldn't take my word for it, but they should keep an open mind and then do their own research.

00:57:52.000 Watch Oliver Stone's film.

00:57:53.000 It's a great summary.

00:57:55.000 Yeah, I'll tell you, the best book written about this, and I've read many, many of the books, and there's literally hundreds of them, but the best book written is called The Unspeakable by James Douglas, and Douglas is first a real a brilliant writer and a brilliant storyteller

00:58:16.000 But and this book is as riveting as any crime not novel that you've ever read

00:58:20.000 But he does a great job because what happened after the Warren Commission the Warren Commission was just a cover-up

00:58:26.000 It was run by Alan Dulles who was who is the prime suspect?

00:58:29.000 Wasn't it Earl Warren that was the chair or something?

00:58:32.000 Earl Warren was the quote chair The Supreme Court justice.

00:58:35.000 Yeah, but he had a full-time job at the Supreme Court.

00:58:38.000 They put his name on the trust.

00:58:40.000 They put his name to give it integrity and credibility.

00:58:42.000 And all the other people were full-time senators, congressmen, etc.

00:58:50.000 With full-time jobs.

00:58:51.000 The only guy who was at every meeting and paid attention to every document was Alan Dulles.

00:58:57.000 And Alan Dulles, my uncle had fired, who was the head of the CIA for most of its history, was the guy my uncle fired.

00:59:06.000 And because he fired him for lying to him at the Bay of Pigs.

00:59:10.000 Yes.

00:59:11.000 And then he came back into public life as essentially the chair of the Warren Commission.

00:59:17.000 People who are on that commission said it should have been called the Dulles Commission because he did all the work and he manipulated it and we now know exactly what he did to keep the CIA out of it that he was conspiring and meeting regularly with J. Edgar Hoover.

00:59:32.000 to collude with them to make sure that the CIA connections to particularly to

00:59:38.000 Oswald. Oswald was a CIA asset since 1957. He was recruited by John James Jesus 0.66

00:59:47.000 Angleton who's the head of the counterterrorism division of the CIA and

00:59:54.000 then he was initially deployed in a fake defection to Russia's.

00:59:59.000 So he was sent to Russia.

01:00:02.000 He was working as a Marine.

01:00:03.000 He was a very intelligent, highly intelligent guy, very idealistic and patriotic, and he was a radar operator at the Atasui Air Force Base in Japan, which was a top-secret Air Force base with a CIA U-2.

01:00:19.000 planes flew out of that Air Force base and he was sent over as a defection.

01:00:28.000 To fake a defection, you know, he did a very noisy defection.

01:00:32.000 He went to the U.S.

01:00:33.000 Embassy and denounced his own citizenship.

01:00:37.000 And then he went to Moscow and he ended up marrying the daughter of a colonel in the KGB.

01:00:47.000 And he was actually sent over there because the CIA knew that it had a mole in Langley.

01:00:57.000 And they were trying to – this is what the evidence points to, that they were trying to detect who that mole was and they thought if this guy defected that the mole in Langley would – because they'd be curious about him – would look for his file.

01:01:13.000 And they had a trigger on his file that anybody who took it out would be kind of suspect.

01:01:18.000 And this is with the evidence points, too.

01:01:21.000 Did that work, that plan?

01:01:22.000 No.

01:01:23.000 They never found out who the mole was in Langley, but there was a mole there, and that's how they shut down the U2, ultimately.

01:01:30.000 The mole Langley told them how to shoot down the Russians, how to shoot down the U-2 in May of 1960.

01:01:38.000 But he was sent over there and nothing happened.

01:01:42.000 And then he comes back, he comes back, he goes back to the U.S.

01:01:45.000 Embassy.

01:01:47.000 Tells him he wants his citizenship back.

01:01:49.000 They give it to him.

01:01:50.000 There's no inquisition.

01:01:52.000 There's no prison sentences.

01:01:55.000 He is given instead an airport plane ticket to fly back to Dallas.

01:02:02.000 And then, you know, a year later, he's involved.

01:02:04.000 Do you think that he was in the Texas School Board depository?

01:02:08.000 I think he was in the depository.

01:02:10.000 Do I think he fired a shot?

01:02:11.000 No.

01:02:12.000 No, these are questions I always want to ask you because I know above average.

01:02:15.000 And so you believe that the shots came from the Grasino that killed your uncle?

01:02:21.000 I think that there were a number of shooters.

01:02:23.000 We know the names of the shooters.

01:02:30.000 And they were mainly, most of them, and they were mainly people from these divisions that were involved in the Castro assassination projects.

01:02:46.000 So they were from out of the Miami station of EPA, the people working under Bill Harvey and under the CIA propaganda chief, David Adley Phillips.

01:03:00.000 And it was his team, and he was Oswald's handler.

01:03:05.000 In fact, I talked to another person, one of the Cubans, who met Oswald with David Attlee Phillips in Dallas about two months before the assassination.

01:03:18.000 But clearly, the CIA was involved in it.

01:03:22.000 They clearly were involved in the cover-up, and that's very well documented.

01:03:26.000 And the initial question you – and let me just talk about Douglas' book.

01:03:31.000 What Douglas does is after the Warren Commission – the Warren Commission basically created this orthodoxy that anybody – that everybody should believe that it was a single shooter who was a madman.

01:03:48.000 And then in 64, the CIA sends out a memo to all of its Operation Mockingbird journalists, the people, you know, the American journalists who were working for the CIA, and tells them, and this memo is in the archives, anybody can look it up.

01:04:07.000 And tells them that anybody who questioned this should be called a conspiracy theorist.

01:04:11.000 And that was the genesis of that term.

01:04:13.000 And that term suddenly became the term that everybody that is used to discredit anybody who questions official orthodoxies.

01:04:13.000 Right.

01:04:23.000 And then in the late 70s, you have the church hearings.

01:04:28.000 Church and Pike, yeah.

01:04:29.000 Right.

01:04:29.000 And during the church hearings, and there's the Congressional Select Committee on Assassination and the Senate hearings.

01:04:39.000 Those hearings come to the conclusion, and this is in the congressional record, that Oswald was not the only shooter, that my uncle was killed by a conspiracy.

01:04:49.000 Half the people on the head of that committee was a guy called Bob Blakey, who's still alive.

01:04:56.000 Half the people on the committee, or more than half of the staff of that committee, believed it was the CIA.

01:05:03.000 And then some of them, like Blakey himself, at that time believed it was the Mafia, and they didn't understand that those were two of the same organization.

01:05:12.000 And then since then, but that finding by that committee was hardly reported in the press.

01:05:22.000 So the orthodoxy had already become impervious.

01:05:26.000 And that anybody who questioned that orthodoxy was a conspiracy.

01:05:29.000 They never acknowledged that a much bigger investigation that Congress had put on for several years had found the opposite.

01:05:40.000 And then since then, there's been hundreds of thousands of documents that are released, and there's been confessions by probably 30 people who were involved.

01:05:48.000 And every eyewitness that was there that day said they heard shootings, shots in other places.

01:05:52.000 Multiple shootings, right.

01:05:53.000 And every part of the official orthodoxy has been absolutely discredited.

01:06:01.000 And many of the people who were involved that day, as I said, have given confessions.

01:06:09.000 And Jim Douglas does a really good job of synthesizing all of that information from hundreds of thousands of documents and putting it into a very, very clear and concise story that looks at all the different alternatives and establishes the truth that we actually know about.

01:06:27.000 So, you know, I think that's – if people really want to know, they shouldn't take my word for it.

01:06:34.000 They should go out and do their research, and the easiest way to do that research, that book has probably 2,000 footnotes on it, and it's very, very well documented.

01:06:46.000 They'll say Americans can't handle the truth.

01:06:49.000 It's the Jack Nicklaus line, that Americans can't handle what they're going to find at JFK.

01:06:53.000 That's an oligarchy. 0.96

01:06:54.000 That's not democracy.

01:06:58.000 Just so we're clear, what you've said is correct, that our own government in a congressional hearing, not hearing, just project investigation, found that our own government killed its president.

01:07:08.000 Well, it didn't say that.

01:07:09.000 What I'm saying is that...

01:07:11.000 Yeah, what they said is there was a conspiracy.

01:07:15.000 I know, but if a conspiracy then, fundamentally then, means the government's lying,

01:07:19.000 because the government said Lee Harvey Oswald, that was the official...

01:07:21.000 Yes.

01:07:22.000 Right? Therefore, if more than one shooter, why cover it up?

01:07:27.000 It must be true.

01:07:28.000 Yeah.

01:07:28.000 Because two shooters means that it wasn't just this guy, you know, with a bolt-action rifle, you know, in a couple stories up in Dallas, could take out a sitting president.

01:07:37.000 Yeah, a mail-order rifle.

01:07:38.000 Yeah, and he wasn't even a good shot, probably.

01:07:40.000 Right.

01:07:40.000 He wasn't a good shot.

01:07:41.000 He was a terrible shot.

01:07:42.000 That's well documented.

01:07:44.000 And the sights were broken.

01:07:45.000 And we're not really sure.

01:07:48.000 And of course he was killed by Jack Ruby.

01:07:50.000 Which never made any sense to me.

01:07:53.000 I was standing in the White House in the East Room next to my uncle's casket when President Johnson came in.

01:08:01.000 You were 11?

01:08:02.000 My and told my father Jackie and my mother who I happen to be standing next to them at the time

01:08:02.000 I was 10.

01:08:08.000 At Jack Ruby had that had that a man had killed Lee Harvey Oswald who we all knew his name at that point

01:08:17.000 and he killed him in broad daylight and When Johnson went away I asked my mom did he do that

01:08:25.000 because he loved our family So, you know even in my ten-year-old brain at that point I'm

01:08:34.000 like I was like something's wrong with this story And of course, Jack Ruby did not love our family.

01:08:39.000 He was part of the Chicago mob.

01:08:41.000 He owned a club, didn't he?

01:08:43.000 Series of clubs?

01:08:43.000 Yeah.

01:08:44.000 He had come out of Sam Giancana's shop in Chicago, which was, you know, one of the three mob families who were involved.

01:08:54.000 In the Cuba project, these were all mob families. 0.84

01:08:57.000 There were three of them.

01:08:59.000 Giancana's Chicago mob, Santos Traficante's Tampa mob, and then Carlos Marcello, who was the mob head chief in Dallas and New Orleans.

01:09:13.000 They all had casino projects in Havana, so they had a community of interest with the CIA because they wanted to get rid of Castro because Castro had closed all their casinos and taken away their assets.

01:09:28.000 And they thought if Casho was dead that they would be able to reclaim those.

01:09:32.000 And so they had been contacted through a guy called Robert Mayhew, who worked for Howard Hughes and his casino in Las Vegas.

01:09:43.000 Bill Harvey, who was the Miami station chief, had contacted him.

01:09:48.000 Mayhew had introduced them to a lower-level capo in the mob whose name was Johnny Rizzelli.

01:09:56.000 And Johnny Roselli was this sort of devout Catholic who'd been a war hero.

01:10:01.000 He was a sharpshooter, a crack shot. 0.64

01:10:05.000 He was ironically both a devout Catholic and also just a cold-blooded murderer. 0.89

01:10:12.000 And a very, very attractive guy.

01:10:14.000 He was kind of a ladies' man. 0.95

01:10:16.000 He never wore socks.

01:10:18.000 He always wore loafers.

01:10:19.000 He always drove Cadillac convertibles.

01:10:23.000 He had no address.

01:10:25.000 And he was incredibly charming.

01:10:26.000 And he became best friends with Bill Harvey, who was the Miami station chief of the CIA.

01:10:34.000 He was the godfather to Harvey's children.

01:10:36.000 He went on all of his vacations to Harvey, and he was the liaison between the three mob

01:10:43.000 families who were involved in the assassination efforts against Cuba.

01:10:47.000 And he actually was training the Cuban teams in assassination tactics.

01:10:53.000 And there's extraordinary stories of him, that he was, you know, at a thousand yards,

01:10:58.000 that he could shoot the… I think.

01:11:02.000 They were training on these islands down off of the Keys in Florida, and they would practice in the morning by shooting the heads off of cormorants that were, you know, on the horizon, essentially, and that he was an extraordinary shot.

01:11:19.000 In closing here, Bobby, and by the way, he was subpoenaed by the committee, by the Senate committee, and he was, the day before he was subpoenaed, he disappeared, and then he was found three days later.

01:11:36.000 Chopped in many pieces in a 55-gallon oil drum in Biscayne Bay.

01:11:42.000 And then a few weeks after that, Giancana was subpoenaed and Giancana was murdered in his basement, executed in his basement.

01:11:51.000 And they were one of probably, I think, 25 or 26 of the witnesses.

01:11:57.000 We're summarily murdered who were supposed to testify in front of that committee.

01:12:01.000 I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

01:12:02.000 Yeah.

01:12:03.000 In closing here, what can Trump, if he wins, do to rein in the CIA?

01:12:06.000 I don't know if you saw it, but Trump did an amazing speech this week, and you should play it on this.

01:12:13.000 I might have missed it.

01:12:14.000 It's just a short segment and I didn't see the whole speech, but he did like a nine-point

01:12:19.000 or ten-point speech outlining exactly what he was going to do at the CIA.

01:12:28.000 And my father had a plan for the CIA and in the last tranche of documents that came out,

01:12:36.000 there was a memo by Dick Goodwin and Arthur Schlesinger about how to reorganize the CIA.

01:12:42.000 And for some reason the CIA did not want that coming out.

01:12:47.000 My father had essentially the same plan, and he outlined it to Pete Hamill, who was one of the reporters who was covering him.

01:12:55.000 Pete Hamill, a week before he died, my dad died, asked my father, what are you going to do about the CIA?

01:13:02.000 And my father said, we need to separate the espionage division, which is the division that does actually information gathering, you know, and analysis, which you want the president to have from the dirty tricks, what they call the plans division, which is the paramilitary division that does the assassinations.

01:13:21.000 It does, you know, fixes elections.

01:13:24.000 It bribes, you know, union leaders and does all of those mischief stuff. 0.97

01:13:30.000 Which has made us hated all over the world, and looking like a hypocrite all over the world.

01:13:34.000 And my father said we need to separate those two, because you want actually the espionage division looking over the shoulder critically at what the plans division does, so that there has to be some accountability about the blowback from these operations, and there's none.

01:13:50.000 It's all covered up.

01:13:52.000 Bobby Kennedy, thank you so much.

01:13:54.000 Charlie, thanks for having me.

01:13:55.000 Thank you.

01:13:55.000 Thanks so much for listening everybody.

01:13:56.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:13:58.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 19, 2024

The RFK Jr. Interview

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