Former Vice President Bobby Kennedy joins Charlie Kirk on The Charlie Kirk Show to discuss his life, career, and life after politics. Bobby Kennedy was a man of many talents. He was a brilliant politician, a loving father, a husband, and a husband. He served as Vice President between 1987-1993 and served as President of the United States from 1993-1993. Bobby Kennedy served as the Vice President from 1987 to 1993, and was a member of the House of Representatives from 1993 to 1993. He was assassinated in a helicopter crash in Dallas, Texas in November of 1993, which led to the downfall of the Democratic Party and the eventual rise of the Republican Party. Today, Bobby Kennedy is the most influential person in American politics, and one of the most beloved sons of the late John F. Kennedy Jr. Charlie and Bobby Kennedy discuss Bobby Kennedy s life and career, his political life, and what it was like growing up in the political orbit of the Kennedys and how he became a politician and presidential candidate in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and the impact it had on American politics and how it has changed in the modern era, including the election of Donald Trump and Tulsi Gabbard, who are now running for President in 2020. Learn how you can protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments, a company that specializes in gold investments and physical delivery of precious metals. That's where I buy all of my gold! Go to noblegoldinvestments.co/thecharliekirk to get 20% off your first month of your investment account! Charlie Kirk is the founder of the Charlie Kirk show. Get involved with Turning Point USA, the most powerful youth organization in the country. Start a high school or college chapter today at Tpusa.org/theCharlieKirkShow? at tpusa at charliekirk Show? at the CharlieKirkshow.co to become a supporter of the show and learn more about Charlie Kirk's work at the show. at The Charlie Kirker Show. Thanks for listening and supporting the show, as always, Charlie Kirk and thank you for being a friend of the culture, freedom, liberty, and freedom, and hope you enjoy the ride. - Charlie Kirk. Timestamps: 1:00:00 - What's up? 3:30 - What are you waiting for? 5:00-20:00 6:15 - Who are you going to vote for President Trump?
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00:01:20.000The last time I saw you, you were exiting a stage after endorsing President Trump here in Phoenix, and you endorsed him on the Make America Healthy Again promise and platform.
00:01:42.000of surprising, very touching enthusiasm from the public.
00:01:49.000You know, I was on an airplane today, and this is pretty typical, that almost everybody in the section of the plane where I was sitting got their picture taken with me, including the whole crew.
00:02:35.000Well, I want to just commend you and say it was a thing of great courage that you did, and it was the right thing.
00:02:40.000And it has brought millions of people to this cause.
00:02:43.000And we see a unique moment here where there is this unity ticket that is forming, yourself, Tulsi Gabbard, Elon Musk, and it is not Republican or Democrat.
00:02:54.000What is the unifying thread between President Trump, yourself, Tulsi Gabbard, and traditional Republicans?
00:03:02.000Well, I think it's clear that there's a realignment going on.
00:03:08.000I studied American history in college, and one of the things that you study when you study American history, there's been these realignments that have happened, about four big realignments that have happened in our country during its history, and we're going through one of those now.
00:03:27.000It's hard to tell where we'll end up, but it's funny because it's almost a direct inversion of the party features and characteristics that I grew up with.
00:03:38.000I grew up with a Democratic Party that was people called Kennedy Democrats.
00:03:44.000It was a party that was against the war, against war, that wanted to lead with diplomacy rather than military action.
00:03:53.000It was a party that was very pro-civil rights, and that meant constitutional rights, and particularly freedom of speech.
00:04:01.000The word liberalism is derived from a term meaning freedom of speech.
00:04:06.000It was a party that was very skeptical of the subversion, very alert to the immersion, to the corporate domination.
00:04:22.000It was the party that was the party of the poor, the working poor, the middle class, Main Street, and today, and then it was the party that was on the side of the most vulnerable people.
00:04:38.000Today, it is the party of war, extraordinarily, very, very bellicose.
00:04:44.000I mean, even at the convention, you had Kamala Harris giving a speech that was, you know, it was just a neocon.
00:04:52.000It was indecipherable from something George W. Bush would have said 20 years ago.
00:05:27.000Yeah, but Dick Cheney and Jonathan Yoo and Paul Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld and these other neocons who gave us the Patriot Act, who launched the surveillance state, the censorship state, put the NSA looking at all of our telephone calls, etc.
00:05:54.000For the first time in American history, we are openly torturing people.
00:05:58.000Something that George Washington refused to do during the American Revolution and that Abraham Lincoln Who essentially, Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War, both Washington and Lincoln said, I'd rather lose this war than torture, than lower ourselves morally to torture people because then we're no different than them.
00:06:19.000And Lincoln published a document against torture that later became the Geneva Convention.
00:06:26.000So this was really part of American history, the idea that we were suddenly torturing people.
00:06:31.000And then, you know, they're the ones who gave us the Iraq War, which was the worst foreign policy dabble in American history.
00:06:40.000We left Iraq, you know, we went in there under the pretense that they had weapons of mass destruction for your younger audience.
00:06:48.000We left Iraq worse off than we found it.
00:06:51.000We killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein ever did.
00:06:55.000We've left Iraq this kind of incoherence.
00:06:59.000It's not really even a nation anymore.
00:07:06.000Yeah, between Shia and Sunni death squads.
00:07:10.000It's now a proxy, almost utterly, of Iraq.
00:07:13.000I mean, of Iran, which is the foreign policy outcome we've been trying to avoid for three decades.
00:07:20.000It had been our bulwark against Iranian expansion in the Mideast, and the October 7th invasion by Hamas of Israel is really a direct result of that war.
00:07:32.000Because it loosened Iranian muscle in the region.
00:07:41.000And the spillover war with Syria, which is a direct result of our creation of ISIS, we drove between 2 and 4 million refugees up into Europe, which have destabilized all the Western democracies.
00:07:56.000The rise we're seeing now, the emergence of totalitarianism across Europe, the end of free speech is a direct result of that decision.
00:08:50.000And then you had a bunch of military people speaking, too.
00:08:53.000It was really this extraordinary display of the change of the party.
00:08:57.000The party is now the party of censorship.
00:09:00.000Both Harris and and waltz have made these extraordinary decision declarations that What they call misinformation and disinformation is not protected by the First Amendment.
00:09:12.000The First Amendment is conditional It's a privilege that they're gonna remove from people like Hillary Clinton has said that yeah Hillary Clinton said I think this week.
00:09:21.000That's right Extraordinary it should be illegal to spread misinformation.
00:10:36.000Big, big, big, big, but not the little guys.
00:10:37.000And, you know, one of the points that I think is extraordinary that I've made is that in You had roughly 50% of the people in this country voting for President Trump, and you had roughly 50% voting for President Biden.
00:10:54.000But the 50% voting for President Trump owned only 30% of the wealth of this country.
00:11:00.000The 50 percent who are voting for Biden own 70 percent.
00:11:03.000So it actually you've had this complete inversion where when I was growing up, the rich, you know, the Rockefeller Republicans.
00:11:49.000And so I want to try to drill down how this happened, because my working theory is that going into 2016, Hillary Clinton is truly an oligarch, and she does represent the needs, wants, and interests of the ruling class.
00:12:05.000The way the 2016 election was supposed to go was oligarch on oligarch.
00:12:08.000It was supposed to be Jeb Bush versus Hillary Clinton, and they could disagree on tax rates.
00:13:09.000But he is absolutely devoid of any kind of intellectual integrity now.
00:13:14.000It's all tribalism and partisanship and, you know, it's really reprehensible.
00:13:20.000And it goes back down to this, which is they will tell you, if you had Robert Reich privately in a room and he's given truth serum, he said, I totally agree, Bobby, but Trump is a bigger threat.
00:13:30.000Well, that's the whole thing is the whole party is really the party of Donald Trump.
00:13:37.000It's like a... The Democrat Party, you mean?
00:13:41.000Because it's like a kid who hates their parent and becomes their parent, you know, because their whole focus is on not becoming their parent and in demonizing them.
00:14:14.000Are they really just doing it because he's against it?
00:14:16.000And then, you know, I was down at the wall here in Yuma, and I saw that, you know, that next, there's 27 gaps in the wall where all of the immigrants come through.
00:14:28.000Those gaps, each one of them have a pile of material next to them that was purchased by the United States government under Trump.
00:14:38.000And then the construction was halted the day that President Biden came into office, and the fences were actually removed in some cases.
00:14:48.000The long-distance cameras were removed, the censoring equipment was removed that could have stopped or stemmed this, you know, this invasion that looks... You go down, I was down there, it looks like the beginning of the Boston Marathon at that gate every time.
00:15:05.000And the border patrol, Chris Clem, who is the chief of the border patrol, told us the story because he said, I've been begging Mayorkas to come down here from day one.
00:15:15.000Begging them to show what is happening because nobody can look at this and say this is a good idea
00:15:21.000at the Sinaloa drug cartels have buses
00:15:27.000Lined up these big shiny new buses with 55 people on each coming in. I've seen it
00:15:33.000And that's not an exaggeration people getting off and coming across
00:15:36.000This is not a good idea to have the Sinaloa drug cartel in charge of America
00:15:41.000It's also bad for the girls that are being trafficked.
00:16:12.000So there's parts of the fence where it's kind of a silverish color, whereas the Trump fence is that red, rusty color.
00:16:21.000And it looks like a bridge or something, an old industrial bridge.
00:16:28.000But the Biden fence is just like a chain-link fence that is a silverish color, and it doesn't even go into the ground, which of course is where they're coming under.
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00:19:29.000Why did he want to restrict immigration?
00:19:31.000Because it was all of the illegal immigrants who would work for pennies because they were desperate and hungry and could not get a legal job.
00:19:41.000And the growers were, you know, were predatory and were employing them and that was destroying his capacity to negotiate for wages and conditions of the workers who were American-born workers.
00:19:56.000And it wasn't, and you know, I saw Tucker the other day defending himself because somebody said he was racist because he was saying, you know, there were people coming into our country who were, you know, from foreign countries and he said, He said, I'm not objecting to them because they're Hispanic.
00:20:14.000I want to protect Hispanic workers who were born here.
00:20:35.000You could have been around your family.
00:20:37.000But you made a decision, and it didn't start with the endorsement of Trump.
00:20:40.000It started, and I want to get to that, this journey that you've been on, which is amazing, by the way.
00:20:44.000I just love your story about cleaning up the Hudson River, if I remember correctly, right?
00:20:49.000Um, to environmental issues, to how we're getting poisoned, to a love of environment, which, by the way, I share your love of environment, which is, I can't say an environmentalist that say, C, don't touch, drives me crazy.
00:21:22.000So these were people, they were capitalists.
00:21:25.000Small business owners, but they were getting their hands dirty and they were, you know, up to their, they were wearing waders and they're up to their hips in the water and they were harvesting a resource with the fish.
00:21:37.000They were making sure that they were sustainably harvest.
00:22:24.000I said, I'm against that, if you will, because I think that the environment needs to be protected, but it's there for our benefit and for our enjoyment and our flourishing and obviously for future generations.
00:22:36.000So you decide to run as a Democrat, as a primary, and Biden treats you terribly.
00:22:41.000And I want to get into some of the recent news since I've seen you last because the party democracy has made a quite a u-turn recently from saying that we want Bobby Kennedy off the ballot but now we want him on the ballot.
00:22:53.000It all depends on what state and what jurisdiction.
00:22:55.000But what is it about you that wanted to pursue truth above comfort?
00:23:00.000I'm always interested in this because you have not chosen an easy life.
00:23:03.000You've not decided to do what's easy in the Democrat Party.
00:23:40.000And he told me, you know, with this particular intensity, I want you to read this.
00:23:45.000And he gave me, he gave me reading material all the time.
00:23:48.000He gave me poems or articles or books and said, would say, you know, to all of us, to all of his 10 kids that, you know, my 11th was born after he died, my little sister Rory.
00:24:00.000But, but so then he dies two weeks later.
00:24:04.000I'm with him when he dies in Los Angeles.
00:24:08.000And so I spent a lot of time in that part of my life trying to figure out what I was supposed to do with my life and what his intention was in handing me this book.
00:24:24.000About a doctor who's living in a quarantined city at their early part of the 20th century, and there is a plague that is ravaging the city.
00:24:32.000And the name of the plague and the name of the city are never named, but it's a new illness that nobody has any experience with.
00:24:41.000And it has a very, very high infection fatality rate.
00:24:44.000So everybody is catching it, is dying.
00:24:47.000And the first part of the book takes place in the head of the main character, who's a doctor.
00:24:55.000He's locked in his apartment and he's deciding whether he should go out and minister to the sick.
00:25:01.000And he's saying to himself, I'm not going to be able to do any good anyway because nobody knows how to treat this disease.
00:25:08.000I have no idea what I'm dealing with and if I go out there, I'm almost certain to get sick and die.
00:25:46.000Yeah, so he wrote another book, Camus, about the iconic hero of Zoacism, which was Sisyphus.
00:25:57.000And Sisyphus is a human who does some favor to humanity, but it offends the gods, and he's punished, cursed for eternity.
00:26:07.000To roll a boulder up a hill, and he's supposed to get it over the other side of the hill, but he gets to the summit every day.
00:26:12.000He rolls it all day long, and he gets to the top of the summit, and it always rolls back on him, and it kind of mangles him, and then he has to walk all the way down the hill and start it all night, and then the morning he starts pushing again.
00:26:26.000And in the eyes of most people, Sisyphus is, you know, at the sort of nadir of misery, you know.
00:26:34.000It's a miserable life and meaningless, etc.
00:26:37.000But in fact, according to Kemo and others, Sisyphus is a happy man because he puts his shoulder to the stone.
00:26:50.000He embraces the hardship of his life and he takes it on.
00:26:53.000And in doing his little duty himself, like the doctor in the plague, He brings order to a chaotic universe and ultimately he achieves satisfaction and happiness and fulfillment in his own heart.
00:27:13.000My father embraced Stoicism after he was a very pious Catholic during most of his early life, all of his early life, and he believed in a very orderly universe where there was good versus evil and ultimately good would triumph.
00:27:30.000When his brother was killed, it shattered him and he had to reassess all of his cosmology and his approach to life and his philosophy.
00:27:41.000And he read extensively from the Edith Hamilton, from the Greek myths, from the Roman myths, mythology, from the Stoics.
00:27:50.000From Shakespeare, from the poets, from the existentialists like Emerson and Thoreau and, you know, from the ballad poets like, you know, his favorite poem is Ulysses by Alfred Lord Tennyson and Yeats and Cates, etc.
00:28:09.000And he kind of, you know, melded a new philosophy for himself that was rooted in Stoicism but also incorporated a lot of Traditional Catholic and Christian cosmology, but that's the way he approached life is that it allowed him to get back up and try again because, you know, what Stoicism says is we have a right and a duty to our effort.
00:28:41.000The outcome ultimately is in God's hands, and we have to live our lives without expectations.
00:28:48.000We have to live our lives satisfied that we're doing the duty that we were assigned to do.
00:28:54.000And that's how we, and that ultimately kind of throws the gauntlet at the gods and gives us the capacity to bring order to an absurd universe.
00:29:06.000And, you know, my father sort of took that on and said, okay, I'm going to do, you know, what I was put here to do and do it to my maximum effort.
00:29:16.000And, you know, whatever the cost, that's how, you know, that's how we, That's ultimately how we bring satisfaction and fulfillment to our own lives.
00:29:30.000And so, you know, I integrated those lessons very early on in my life and said, you know, if you're supposed to do something, it doesn't really matter what the cause are and it doesn't matter what the result is.
00:29:43.000The matter is, if you know what you're supposed to do, if you know what there are, God gave us brains.
00:29:49.000He said, you know, be clever as serpents, be gentle as lambs, but be clever as serpents.
00:29:55.000We gave us brains to try to figure out, you know, the paths to that kind of spiritual fulfillment, and that we have to each figure that out for ourselves.
00:30:06.000And when we know what our path is, we take it no matter what the cost.
00:30:12.000Well, I look at it that, you know, all of the people that I've admired in my life have gone through a period, you know, the historical figures, whether it's St.
00:30:25.000Francis of Assisi, or whether it's Darwin, or whether it's any of the great heroes of history, including my father and my uncle.
00:30:37.000They all went through a period in their lives where they were doubted by their friends, where they were isolated, where they had to walk through kind of a valley of darkness, where they had what St.
00:30:50.000St. John of the Cross had called the dark night of the soul, where they were completely
00:30:57.000alone in the world, and that part of the emblems of a successful life is that you do things
00:31:08.000even when the crowd tells you not to do them.
00:31:11.000So I don't, so when people like my family turn against me or other people who I love turn against me, I don't, you know, feel, I don't feel self-pity.
00:31:22.000I don't feel, you know, anger, resentment.
00:31:26.000I just feel that that's part of my path and that, you know, it has, it's a gift in many ways because the more opposition that you have if you, You're doing the right thing.
00:31:36.000The more satisfaction there should be at the end.
00:31:40.000What do you think your father wanted you to learn from that book?
00:31:43.000I think that lesson, I think that, you know, we do our duty and that you have a duty to figure it out, to search and search and figure out what you're supposed to do.
00:31:56.000And then you have to do it without any kind of regret or self-doubt.
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00:33:32.000And my daughter gave an interview in 2012 where she told a story about According to her memory is that I had cut the head off a dead whale that we found on the beach and put it on the roof of the car and brought it home.
00:33:48.000And I've been collecting specimens my entire life and I would do something like that.
00:34:02.000Yeah, so suddenly I get this note that I'm being, you know, this letter, a very formal letter of complaint saying I'm under investigation and asking me to fill out a questionnaire.
00:34:15.000And I actually sent them a letter back saying, you know, I'm very, very I'm impressed by the alacrity with which you address this emergency.
00:34:26.000But what it contrasts sharply, the agency is called National Marine Fisheries.
00:34:34.000And that agency has stood by while the Atlantic whale populations are being wiped out by wind farms, by offshore wind farms.
00:34:46.000Because it throws off their sonar or something, right?
00:36:20.000Saying it was likely to lead to the collapse of the cod fishery because it's right on the... a lot of these are the centers of cod spawning on the Atlantic coast.
00:36:33.000And the fishermen say, you know, and I deal a lot with commercial fishermen and I'm talking to them all the time and they say the fish have completely disappeared around these wind farms.
00:36:43.000The wind farms are a bad idea from an environmental point of view.
00:36:47.000The energy they need in order to make a profit, they need about 33 cents a kilowatt hour.
00:36:53.000Onshore wind needs 11 cents a kilowatt hour.
00:36:56.000The average price for energy in this country is about 16 cents a kilowatt hour.
00:37:01.000So this is twice what the cost of energy is.
00:37:04.000So it's going to drive up the cost of energy.
00:37:06.000It's going to turn every American against green energy because it's supposedly green, but it's just a boondock.
00:37:12.000A lot of the environmental movement now has been captured by these big corporations that are using the climate emergency.
00:37:24.000To do these big geoengineering projects, to do carbon sequestration.
00:37:28.000They're building pipelines all across the Midwest, destroying tens of thousands of acres of the best agricultural land in the world.
00:37:36.000And it's really just big subsidies for the oil industry, for the methane industry, and for big ag, and for these big banking houses.
00:37:44.000And I think the environmental movement has lost its way in allowing this to happen.
00:37:50.000Most environmentalists that I know came into the environmental movement because they wanted to
00:38:26.000There are about 17 environmental groups that have protested these wind farms, but they're all local groups.
00:38:32.000They're all groups that care about them.
00:38:37.000They wrote the law, the Inflation Reduction Act, that allowed these tax breaks to take place for these huge mega-projects, which they think is going to reduce carbon.
00:39:13.000I was dumbfounded a year ago, because I've been working on endocrine-disrupting chemicals for most of my life, you know, PCBs and HODs, and these are chemicals that disrupt sexual development in human beings.
00:39:26.000That's why puberty is starting so early for girls.
00:39:28.000Puberty is now starting about six years early.
00:39:33.000Average puberty onset for girls in this country is between 10 and 13 years old.
00:39:37.000It's the lowest age of any country in the world.
00:39:40.000And that's not a good thing, everybody.
00:40:14.000Atrazine, which is the second most prevalent pesticide in our country.
00:40:17.00063% of drinking water in this country is contaminated with atrazine.
00:40:23.000And atrazine is a very, very potent endocrine disruptor.
00:40:28.000In fact, there's an African-American, very famous scientist called Tyler Hayes at Berkeley And Tyler Hayes did an experiment where he put 70 male frogs, African water frogs, in a tank.
00:40:45.000And the water in the tank had atrazine levels under the EPA action levels.
00:40:51.000So these are levels that are regarded as safe in America's water supply.
00:40:57.000And many Americans are drinking much more than this.
00:41:01.000And showering in it and swimming in it and, you know, etc.
00:41:04.000And of those 70 frogs, they were all males, 60 of them were rendered sterile.
00:41:12.000And 10 of them, 10% of those frogs turned female and were able to produce fertile eggs.
00:41:30.000I mean, it's not about turning something gay at all.
00:41:38.000His point was that there is a pollutant that is changing frogs in a study and people lost their money.
00:41:42.000It's changing their gender identity, let me put that.
00:41:49.000Not psychologically, but biologically.
00:41:53.000It's actually changing their genders from male to female, and they can produce fertile eggs.
00:42:01.000It's standard to use animal models to test toxics on, and then if the test is positive, then you go and do mammal models and you do human models.
00:42:14.000And that study should have prompted interest in the scientific community and NIH to see whether this may be affecting human beings as well.
00:42:29.000So what I've said is, I don't know whether it's affecting human beings that way, but shouldn't we be doing that study to figure it out?
00:42:38.000Anyway, my point was, my bigger point was that Tucker Carl, I've been struggling for 40 years to get the conservative news media to pay attention to Andrew Krine disruptors, with no success.
00:42:57.000And then last year, Tucker Carlson does a one-hour special on it, and if I could have written it myself, I couldn't have done better.
00:43:07.000He did just an incredible job, and he was condemned by the entire environmental community.
00:43:12.000And it was just like this extraordinary turnaround.
00:43:14.000It's the same thing as Trump derangement syndrome.
00:43:18.000If Republicans have a good idea, I'll embrace it.
00:43:21.000If Democrats have a good idea, I'll embrace it.
00:43:22.000country. You can't have a country like that though. Yeah.
00:43:27.000I mean Lincoln said a house divided cannot stand. And it's self-evident right? I mean if
00:43:31.000Republicans have a good idea I'll embrace it. If Democrats have a good idea
00:43:34.000I'll embrace it. I don't care right? That's how I feel. Of course. Yeah. But I mean is
00:43:39.000it a Trump specific thing? Let's say Trump wins. Oh it's Trump and Tucker. Sure
00:43:45.000yeah no and that's what I'm saying though is that that was gonna be my
00:43:47.000point is that it's actually bigger than Trump. Is that because Tucker's evidence.
00:43:51.000Of that, is that it's not Trump derangement, it's, is it like free thinking derangement syndrome?
00:43:56.000Yeah, I think it's a partisan, I think it's a tribalism.
00:44:02.000I think we're hardwired for, you know, the 22,000 generations we spent on the African savannah, we're hardwired to, toward tribalism.
00:44:11.000And, you know, we were wandering in little groups and warring groups that were, that relied On tribal loyalty for their survival and on unit cohesion and everybody believing the same things and everybody, our capacity to excuse the worst behavior from our tribal peers and attribute the worst motives and behavior to anybody outside and to dehumanize them.
00:44:37.000And I think, you know, those are the neuronal pathways that are being lit up by a lot of this stuff because I know so many people, you know, Tucker did this extraordinary interview with Callie Means and Casey Means.
00:45:06.000And part of the thing... Something is really wrong with that.
00:45:10.000It's so wrong, and I think it's deeper than Trump because the quote-unquote left, and I hate that term, but the solid left, they are now high trust of institutions where you and I are low trust of institutions.
00:45:22.000We think the CIA is doing a bunch of nonsense, Department of Justice, Lawfare.
00:45:26.000Pfizer, AstraZeneca, but if you take your average Democrat now, they used to be low trust of institutions 20 years ago, but they think institutions generally get things right, that there's nothing wrong with, you know, them spraying our food, you know, take the vaccine, take your ninth booster.
00:45:40.000So I think the divide is high trust of the current ruling regime and you and I that have a vote of no confidence against the ruling regime.
00:45:48.000And that's a really good way to analyze it.
00:45:50.000Another way to analyze it is that the Democrats are more about centralization and central control.
00:45:59.000And, you know, those would be in those institutions.
00:46:05.000With a mistrust of the people, a mistrust of the demos.
00:46:08.000They do not trust the people, and that's why they don't trust elections.
00:46:13.000So we have now two Democratic candidates who would not stand for election.
00:46:17.000President Biden, who had to get rid of the primaries.
00:46:20.000They literally abolished, you know, many of the primaries.
00:46:23.000New Hampshire and Georgia and Florida.
00:46:27.000And then another, a second candidate, when he was displaced by a palace coup, He was then replaced by Kamala Harris, who has never won a single vote.
00:46:39.000Who, you know, when she ran in the last, in the 2020 election, she had 8% support in her own state and had to withdraw before the primaries began.
00:46:49.000And so she was immensely unpopular, but somehow somebody picked her and nobody really understands how it was done.
00:47:42.000And the ancillary to that Is that a profound mistrust of the people?
00:47:49.000So elections are now no longer trustable, and that is one of the reasons for the censorship.
00:47:54.000They don't trust the people to make good decisions, and so the only way they can control them is by controlling the information flow, which of course never works.
00:48:04.000And I want to just ask you, is misinformation protected by the First Amendment?
00:48:09.000I mean, lies are protected by the First Amendment, and that's absolutely critical because, you know, if you look at the progress of knowledge, of science, of philosophy, the ideas always Germinate from an idea that has been debunked, discredited, denounced by the reigning institutions.
00:50:07.000But let me ask you, just as a principled question, was there a Republican Secretary of State or a Republican legal outfit that gave you a tough time about ballot access?
00:51:12.000Yeah, and it was his birthday two nights ago, so two nights ago, Cheryl and I went and had dinner, and he lives right across the street from me.
00:51:21.000And, you know, we're old friends, and he was there with a small handful of his closest friends.
00:52:36.000There's people who are like, you know, a lot of people I grew up with, people I've, one guy who I've kayaked with on probably 50 rivers, first ascents in Latin America, and on the Arctic, from the Arctic to Patagonia, and you know, one of my closest friends from my whole life, living in the wilderness with this guy, living in tents all night, and you know, and being really, you know, In a foxhole with him and he just said I can't be your friend anymore And many many other people like that and it's um, it's a very very it's part of this phenomenon I think is Trump during you know, people describe as Trump derangement syndrome where You're gonna break up relationship because of a political choice, you know and there's so many other things that you have in common with them and you know that you
00:53:28.000All of your values are still the same.
00:53:30.000And there's nothing about me that's changed.
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00:55:08.000And so we have this moment of realignment and you're campaigning very hard for President Trump around this unity ticket, which again I want to applaud you and say that for all the letters you get of people that say I can't be friends for you, there are no exaggeration millions of people that support you and pray for you and consider what you do to be one of the most courageous things in modern American politics.
00:56:12.000We need to have a real inquiry about what happened, and actually President Trump, when he introduced me, Well, if you were to speculate, why are the JFK files still classified?
00:56:22.000said that he was going to do that. He said he was going to reopen the Kennedy assassination
00:56:26.000and that he was also going to have a commission that would look at that and look at the attempt
00:56:31.000at that time, the single attempt to assassinate him.
00:56:35.000What if you were to speculate, why are the JFK files still classified? What are they
00:56:57.000And then President Biden ran and he promised the same thing and then he didn't do it.
00:57:02.000I asked President Trump about that, you know, recently, and he said, oh, you were wondering about that.
00:57:08.000We had a really sort of great conversation about it, and he said, Mike Pompeo called me, and he said, he begged me, he begged me, he said, you can't do it.
00:57:20.000And I came in, and he said, I made a mistake.
00:57:37.000And the last tranche of documents that were released And by the way, you know, people shouldn't take my word for it, but they should keep an open mind and then do their own research.
00:57:55.000Yeah, I'll tell you, the best book written about this, and I've read many, many of the books, and there's literally hundreds of them, but the best book written is called The Unspeakable by James Douglas, and Douglas is first a real a brilliant writer and a brilliant storyteller
00:58:16.000But and this book is as riveting as any crime not novel that you've ever read
00:58:20.000But he does a great job because what happened after the Warren Commission the Warren Commission was just a cover-up
00:58:26.000It was run by Alan Dulles who was who is the prime suspect?
00:58:29.000Wasn't it Earl Warren that was the chair or something?
00:58:32.000Earl Warren was the quote chair The Supreme Court justice.
00:58:35.000Yeah, but he had a full-time job at the Supreme Court.
00:59:11.000And then he came back into public life as essentially the chair of the Warren Commission.
00:59:17.000People who are on that commission said it should have been called the Dulles Commission because he did all the work and he manipulated it and we now know exactly what he did to keep the CIA out of it that he was conspiring and meeting regularly with J. Edgar Hoover.
00:59:32.000to collude with them to make sure that the CIA connections to particularly to
00:59:38.000Oswald. Oswald was a CIA asset since 1957. He was recruited by John James Jesus
00:59:47.000Angleton who's the head of the counterterrorism division of the CIA and
00:59:54.000then he was initially deployed in a fake defection to Russia's.
01:00:03.000He was a very intelligent, highly intelligent guy, very idealistic and patriotic, and he was a radar operator at the Atasui Air Force Base in Japan, which was a top-secret Air Force base with a CIA U-2.
01:00:19.000planes flew out of that Air Force base and he was sent over as a defection.
01:00:28.000To fake a defection, you know, he did a very noisy defection.
01:00:33.000Embassy and denounced his own citizenship.
01:00:37.000And then he went to Moscow and he ended up marrying the daughter of a colonel in the KGB.
01:00:47.000And he was actually sent over there because the CIA knew that it had a mole in Langley.
01:00:57.000And they were trying to – this is what the evidence points to, that they were trying to detect who that mole was and they thought if this guy defected that the mole in Langley would – because they'd be curious about him – would look for his file.
01:01:13.000And they had a trigger on his file that anybody who took it out would be kind of suspect.
01:01:18.000And this is with the evidence points, too.
01:02:30.000And they were mainly, most of them, and they were mainly people from these divisions that were involved in the Castro assassination projects.
01:02:46.000So they were from out of the Miami station of EPA, the people working under Bill Harvey and under the CIA propaganda chief, David Adley Phillips.
01:03:00.000And it was his team, and he was Oswald's handler.
01:03:05.000In fact, I talked to another person, one of the Cubans, who met Oswald with David Attlee Phillips in Dallas about two months before the assassination.
01:03:18.000But clearly, the CIA was involved in it.
01:03:22.000They clearly were involved in the cover-up, and that's very well documented.
01:03:26.000And the initial question you – and let me just talk about Douglas' book.
01:03:31.000What Douglas does is after the Warren Commission – the Warren Commission basically created this orthodoxy that anybody – that everybody should believe that it was a single shooter who was a madman.
01:03:48.000And then in 64, the CIA sends out a memo to all of its Operation Mockingbird journalists, the people, you know, the American journalists who were working for the CIA, and tells them, and this memo is in the archives, anybody can look it up.
01:04:07.000And tells them that anybody who questioned this should be called a conspiracy theorist.
01:04:11.000And that was the genesis of that term.
01:04:13.000And that term suddenly became the term that everybody that is used to discredit anybody who questions official orthodoxies.
01:04:29.000And during the church hearings, and there's the Congressional Select Committee on Assassination and the Senate hearings.
01:04:39.000Those hearings come to the conclusion, and this is in the congressional record, that Oswald was not the only shooter, that my uncle was killed by a conspiracy.
01:04:49.000Half the people on the head of that committee was a guy called Bob Blakey, who's still alive.
01:04:56.000Half the people on the committee, or more than half of the staff of that committee, believed it was the CIA.
01:05:03.000And then some of them, like Blakey himself, at that time believed it was the Mafia, and they didn't understand that those were two of the same organization.
01:05:12.000And then since then, but that finding by that committee was hardly reported in the press.
01:05:22.000So the orthodoxy had already become impervious.
01:05:26.000And that anybody who questioned that orthodoxy was a conspiracy.
01:05:29.000They never acknowledged that a much bigger investigation that Congress had put on for several years had found the opposite.
01:05:40.000And then since then, there's been hundreds of thousands of documents that are released, and there's been confessions by probably 30 people who were involved.
01:05:48.000And every eyewitness that was there that day said they heard shootings, shots in other places.
01:05:53.000And every part of the official orthodoxy has been absolutely discredited.
01:06:01.000And many of the people who were involved that day, as I said, have given confessions.
01:06:09.000And Jim Douglas does a really good job of synthesizing all of that information from hundreds of thousands of documents and putting it into a very, very clear and concise story that looks at all the different alternatives and establishes the truth that we actually know about.
01:06:27.000So, you know, I think that's – if people really want to know, they shouldn't take my word for it.
01:06:34.000They should go out and do their research, and the easiest way to do that research, that book has probably 2,000 footnotes on it, and it's very, very well documented.
01:06:46.000They'll say Americans can't handle the truth.
01:06:49.000It's the Jack Nicklaus line, that Americans can't handle what they're going to find at JFK.
01:06:58.000Just so we're clear, what you've said is correct, that our own government in a congressional hearing, not hearing, just project investigation, found that our own government killed its president.
01:07:28.000Because two shooters means that it wasn't just this guy, you know, with a bolt-action rifle, you know, in a couple stories up in Dallas, could take out a sitting president.
01:08:59.000Giancana's Chicago mob, Santos Traficante's Tampa mob, and then Carlos Marcello, who was the mob head chief in Dallas and New Orleans.
01:09:13.000They all had casino projects in Havana, so they had a community of interest with the CIA because they wanted to get rid of Castro because Castro had closed all their casinos and taken away their assets.
01:09:28.000And they thought if Casho was dead that they would be able to reclaim those.
01:09:32.000And so they had been contacted through a guy called Robert Mayhew, who worked for Howard Hughes and his casino in Las Vegas.
01:09:43.000Bill Harvey, who was the Miami station chief, had contacted him.
01:09:48.000Mayhew had introduced them to a lower-level capo in the mob whose name was Johnny Rizzelli.
01:09:56.000And Johnny Roselli was this sort of devout Catholic who'd been a war hero.
01:11:02.000They were training on these islands down off of the Keys in Florida, and they would practice in the morning by shooting the heads off of cormorants that were, you know, on the horizon, essentially, and that he was an extraordinary shot.
01:11:19.000In closing here, Bobby, and by the way, he was subpoenaed by the committee, by the Senate committee, and he was, the day before he was subpoenaed, he disappeared, and then he was found three days later.
01:11:36.000Chopped in many pieces in a 55-gallon oil drum in Biscayne Bay.
01:11:42.000And then a few weeks after that, Giancana was subpoenaed and Giancana was murdered in his basement, executed in his basement.
01:11:51.000And they were one of probably, I think, 25 or 26 of the witnesses.
01:11:57.000We're summarily murdered who were supposed to testify in front of that committee.
01:12:14.000It's just a short segment and I didn't see the whole speech, but he did like a nine-point
01:12:19.000or ten-point speech outlining exactly what he was going to do at the CIA.
01:12:28.000And my father had a plan for the CIA and in the last tranche of documents that came out,
01:12:36.000there was a memo by Dick Goodwin and Arthur Schlesinger about how to reorganize the CIA.
01:12:42.000And for some reason the CIA did not want that coming out.
01:12:47.000My father had essentially the same plan, and he outlined it to Pete Hamill, who was one of the reporters who was covering him.
01:12:55.000Pete Hamill, a week before he died, my dad died, asked my father, what are you going to do about the CIA?
01:13:02.000And my father said, we need to separate the espionage division, which is the division that does actually information gathering, you know, and analysis, which you want the president to have from the dirty tricks, what they call the plans division, which is the paramilitary division that does the assassinations.
01:13:24.000It bribes, you know, union leaders and does all of those mischief stuff.
01:13:30.000Which has made us hated all over the world, and looking like a hypocrite all over the world.
01:13:34.000And my father said we need to separate those two, because you want actually the espionage division looking over the shoulder critically at what the plans division does, so that there has to be some accountability about the blowback from these operations, and there's none.