The Charlie Kirk Show - October 25, 2023


The RFK Threat with Sen. Ron Johnson


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Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisconsin) joins the show to talk about the ongoing government shutdown, immigration, and much, much more. He also talks about why he thinks the House should have a new Speaker and why they should not just do business as usual.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Senator Ron Johnson joins us.
00:00:03.000 We talk about RFK Jr.
00:00:05.000 We talk about Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Weiss, immigration, Wisconsin, Somalis, and more.
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00:00:27.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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00:01:09.000 Senator, thank you so much for taking the time.
00:01:11.000 I do not envy you.
00:01:13.000 I got to ask Senator, you know, when is the Senate going to actually do some business?
00:01:17.000 Like, all the fun is in the House.
00:01:19.000 You know, I'd love to see the Senate pick up these funding bills and really get to work.
00:01:25.000 I know there's been some stuff happening on the committee side of things, and I know you have been advocating for the Senate to really have an honest budget.
00:01:32.000 You know, you've been in the Senate for over a decade now.
00:01:36.000 Can you explain to our audience actually how budgeting is done?
00:01:38.000 It seems just one continuing resolution tied to the other.
00:01:42.000 Well, the way it should be done is a budget should be passed early in the fiscal year, and then that budget should guide an appropriation process, and we should be bringing these appropriation bills to the floor April, May, June, July, well before the end of the fiscal year, which closes out on September 30th.
00:01:42.000 Well, hello, Charlie.
00:01:58.000 But that's not what happened.
00:01:59.000 So as grotesquely dysfunctional as Washington, D.C. is, you have to understand there's a very well-honed process for plundering and mortgaging our children's future, and we're seeing it play out right now.
00:02:10.000 You don't bring up appropriation bills.
00:02:12.000 You wait till right before the end of the fiscal year.
00:02:14.000 Then you start claiming there's going to be a crisis of a government shutdown.
00:02:17.000 You pass the CR.
00:02:18.000 You have that expire right before holiday.
00:02:21.000 That probably won't result in anything.
00:02:24.000 You'll have to pass another CR that's going to expire right on Christmas Eve.
00:02:28.000 And so Chuck Schumer will then write a multiple thousand-page omnibus bill.
00:02:35.000 People just want to get out of town.
00:02:36.000 Enough Republicans will join Democrats to vote for it.
00:02:39.000 It gets taken care of in a couple of days and people move on and they forget about it.
00:02:42.000 They don't even worry about the fact that we're $33.5 trillion in debt.
00:02:46.000 So that's the current process.
00:02:47.000 We're trying to break that process.
00:02:49.000 But again, that's quite honestly what I think conservatives in the House are trying to do as well.
00:02:54.000 Yeah, so what is your take on the Speaker of the House, you know, Ray?
00:02:57.000 I know you're not going to weigh in necessarily on personnel selection, but it would be helpful to Senate Republicans if the House said we're not just going to do business as usual.
00:03:05.000 And Senator, you know, this people Wisconsin re-elected you decisively because they don't want that multi-trillion dollar deficits to continue.
00:03:13.000 We're going to post a $2 trillion deficit minimum, and most members of D.C. are just perfectly okay with business as usual.
00:03:21.000 What support could you receive then from the House to make your job easier in the Senate?
00:03:26.000 Well, first of all, as a big supporter, I'm a big supporter of Jim Jordan.
00:03:29.000 I think it's really unfortunate that he's not Speaker.
00:03:32.000 He would have been a true fiscal conservative and a very practical one.
00:03:35.000 Both Jim and I under the debt ceiling fight said we'll increase the debt ceiling if we just pass Preventing Government Shutdown Act so we can get rid of these shutdowns for all time.
00:03:44.000 So as very practical individuals, unfortunately, the House didn't elect him Speaker.
00:03:48.000 Hopefully they can come up with some consensus candidate.
00:03:50.000 But what the House should have been doing, and quite honestly, Republican leadership in the Senate should have been working with the Speaker to urge the House to pass appropriation bills starting in April, May, June, and July.
00:04:01.000 And then once they passed an appropriation bill, and I would always start with defense, you know, send that over to the Senate, and then Senate Republicans ought to just be badgering Chuck Schumer.
00:04:10.000 Let's bring it up.
00:04:11.000 Let's get it on the floor.
00:04:12.000 That's what we should have done.
00:04:13.000 We didn't.
00:04:14.000 That's why we're in this well-honed process of probably going to have to pass some kind of omnibus.
00:04:20.000 But next year, at a minimum, let's start that process a lot earlier, and we'll need a Republican House to lead the way because appropriation bills have to be initiated in the House.
00:04:31.000 There really is nothing the Senate can do until the House passes its first appropriation bill.
00:04:35.000 Senator, when you came and spoke at our Turning Point USA event nearly 10 years ago at UW-Madison, you had a PowerPoint presentation I'll never forget.
00:04:42.000 And we were thinking about as a nation to borrow a couple hundred billion dollars, and it was a real big concern, right?
00:04:48.000 Can you just kind of go through just some of the back of the napkin math of how unbelievable a $2 trillion deficit is, different than a $33 trillion structural deficit?
00:05:01.000 Just walk our audience through what do these numbers mean, not to mention the interest payments alone.
00:05:06.000 Well, just a quick history: 2002 was the first year we passed the $2 trillion total government spending Rubicon.
00:05:14.000 17 years later, the FY 2019, before the pandemic, we spent $4.4 trillion.
00:05:21.000 Then, of course, during the pandemic, that was an emergency, right?
00:05:23.000 Don't let a crisis go to waste.
00:05:25.000 And the Unit Party didn't.
00:05:26.000 So then we spent 6.3, I think 6.5, 6.8.
00:05:30.000 We pretty well now settled on a baseline spending of $6.4 trillion, which is $2 trillion more than we just spent four years ago.
00:05:38.000 Had we just taken 2002 spending and grew that spending by a reasonable amount, let's say population growth plus inflation, last year we would have spent just under $4 trillion and we'd have more than a balanced budget.
00:05:51.000 We'd have a surplus, but that's not Washington did.
00:05:54.000 Again, we've got a problem with the Unit Party.
00:05:56.000 We have enough Republicans who love spending money as well, and we just don't have fiscal restraints.
00:06:01.000 So, you know, interest is doubling.
00:06:03.000 It's, I think, $700 billion this year.
00:06:05.000 A couple of years, it'll probably be more.
00:06:07.000 We'll spend more on interest than we spend on Social Security.
00:06:11.000 That's not too far away in the future.
00:06:12.000 And of course, if you want to save Social Security, you've got to get our deficit spending under control, or we will not have the financial wherewithal to plus up benefits to honor those promises we made when the trust fund expires.
00:06:25.000 Isn't that the great irony of the whole thing, which is that if we don't actually make tough fiscal decisions, the thing that the other side is always fear-mongering over actually might not be financed or funded, the stuff that government should actually do.
00:06:37.000 So, Senator, shifting gears for a second here, RFK Jr. is now running as an independent.
00:06:42.000 Let's just talk about your state of Wisconsin.
00:06:44.000 Do you think that that would help or hurt the Republican cause?
00:06:47.000 Knowing the voters of Wisconsin, knowing that there's a lot of people that do care about medical freedom, and you were the best senator alongside Senator Rand Paul to hold Fauci accountable and talk about vaccine adverse events and side effects.
00:07:01.000 Do you think RFK Jr. will help Republicans, help Democrats, or maybe just a little bit of both?
00:07:07.000 It's very difficult to say.
00:07:10.000 My instinct is he might hurt Republicans more because the only place he gets exposure is on conservative ballots.
00:07:16.000 That's true.
00:07:17.000 The mainstream media, the leftist media, is completely ignoring him.
00:07:21.000 So most Democrats probably don't even know he's running for president.
00:07:24.000 Or Republicans do because we have different podcasts that are open to both sides and they're willing to listen to his viewpoint.
00:07:33.000 And there's an awful lot of things that RFK Jr. is talking about that conservatives agree with.
00:07:37.000 I think there's things that we probably disagree with.
00:07:40.000 But at least he's being able to, he's being given a forum on conservative ballots.
00:07:45.000 We don't have the cancel culture like the left does.
00:07:47.000 Yeah, no, and my fear, Senator, is that RFK Jr. will peel off some of the people that are otherwise would vote Republican that still have some anger post-COVID.
00:08:01.000 And they feel as if Republicans had enough to address it.
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00:09:56.000 Senator, also we have this unfolding conflict in the Middle East.
00:09:59.000 Are you in support or opposed to tying Ukraine and Israel funding together?
00:10:04.000 Senator John Fetterman tweeted out yesterday, F that, to JD Vance's proposal to try to make it two different votes.
00:10:11.000 What would the argument be to not make it two different votes?
00:10:14.000 I mean, an extra couple hours in the Senate?
00:10:16.000 What's your take on this?
00:10:17.000 First of all, the funding for Israel is going to be pretty uncontroversial.
00:10:21.000 I think most people will support it.
00:10:24.000 Even with that, I'd want to scrutinize it to make sure this is exactly what Israel needs and we don't have to spend billions more that they don't need right off the bat.
00:10:31.000 But if you combine with Ukraine, and whether you agree or disagree, Ukrainian funding is more controversial.
00:10:37.000 And the other part of the problem with these supplementals is the Biden administration will throw a wish list.
00:10:43.000 So their border security isn't for border security.
00:10:46.000 What it'll do is it'll pay for more processing, more dispersion of illegal immigrants.
00:10:51.000 It will fund sanctuary cities, which is another incentive, another draw for more illegal immigration.
00:10:57.000 So whatever the Democrats suppose will be awful.
00:11:00.000 And so it's better to strip all these different elements out, debate them separately, and pass them separately.
00:11:06.000 There's no reason we couldn't do that.
00:11:08.000 And so, Senator, have you been receiving briefing or intelligence that is satisfying you regarding the Israeli conflict?
00:11:17.000 And do you believe that Iran was behind the massacre of Jews that happened two and a half weeks ago?
00:11:25.000 Well, whether they were directly behind it, directing it, I'll believe that we really don't have solid intelligence on that, but it's obvious that Iran is the largest state sponsor.
00:11:35.000 Terror, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Shiite groups in Iraq. 0.97
00:11:40.000 These are all being basically funded by, supported by Iran, and they encourage their activity and then they celebrate the massacres. 0.93
00:11:48.000 I mean, so no, in the end, it's Iran that is the main king player here, and they're the ones largely responsible. 0.99
00:11:56.000 There has been a movement.
00:11:57.000 There's this very powerful article that came out yesterday, Senator, that says that the massacre in Israel is waking up the eyes of some of the woke in America.
00:12:05.000 They're buying guns.
00:12:06.000 They're questioning their previous opinions.
00:12:08.000 You're seeing a lot of mega donors pull money from Harvard and Princeton, Yale, and Stanford, which I'm pleased to see given the hotped of anti-Semitism.
00:12:15.000 My question is: are you seeing any change among Senate colleagues privately, any attitude change where all of a sudden they're saying, huh, maybe we shouldn't have an open border.
00:12:24.000 Maybe there are sleeper cells in America.
00:12:26.000 Because we're seeing the elite money circles all of a sudden have a little bit of a tone shift of on immigration, foreign policy, even kind of funding of colleges.
00:12:35.000 Has that tone shift also occurred in the U.S. Senate from just on the last two and a half weeks being there?
00:12:43.000 Not that I've really seen.
00:12:44.000 I mean, if we're going to get any serious border security, we're going to have to shove it down their throats.
00:12:49.000 They're not going to do it willingly.
00:12:51.000 They support President Biden's open border policy.
00:12:53.000 And these are even senators that voted for the 2006 Secure Fence Act.
00:12:57.000 So, again, they are completely in lockstep behind President Biden.
00:13:01.000 If they nod at all toward the direction of border security, it's only because it's under extreme political pressure and the fear that a terrorist attack will occur here in America and it'll be undertaken by somebody who came through the Southwest border.
00:13:16.000 So they fear that.
00:13:18.000 They fear the potential consequence, but they're really doing nothing about it to actually fix it long term.
00:13:23.000 Are illegals being transported to Wisconsin, to the best of your knowledge?
00:13:26.000 Because we hear about Chicago, we hear about New York.
00:13:30.000 Has that hit Milwaukee?
00:13:32.000 Charlie, there are probably around 6 million people since the start of the Biden administration that have come to this country either encountered, processed, and dispersed or as a known gotaway.
00:13:42.000 About 1.7 million known gotaways.
00:13:44.000 We don't know who they are.
00:13:45.000 We have no idea where most of them are going.
00:13:47.000 Obviously, where some of the governors are shipping them up to New York and Chicago, where they're concentrating, it's a real problem for there.
00:13:53.000 But I think illegal immigrants are filtering all over the country.
00:13:57.000 There's certainly pockets where they have previous migrants that provide some support group, but I think they're all over America.
00:14:05.000 We just had a recent report that the Biden administration is bringing in a bunch of Somalians to the Eau Claire area.
00:14:11.000 Wow, is that again?
00:14:12.000 The bottom line is this administration is not being transparent.
00:14:15.000 They're not telling communities at all what they're doing.
00:14:18.000 So I just want to repeat that.
00:14:20.000 I mean, Eau Claire is northern Wisconsin.
00:14:23.000 I mean, that's northwest Wisconsin in the interior of the state.
00:14:28.000 How many Somalians are going to be going there, to the best of your knowledge?
00:14:32.000 I read a report something like 75.
00:14:33.000 So not a mass number, but again, that's just kind of on the QT.
00:14:38.000 I'm not sure who uncovered that.
00:14:39.000 I just read a news report this morning about that.
00:14:42.000 Yeah, I mean, but let's be honest.
00:14:45.000 That'll be 750, Senator, in a generation.
00:14:48.000 Just, I mean, that's, it happens to grow very quickly.
00:14:51.000 Look at Minneapolis, right?
00:14:52.000 Hundreds of thousands, which is not far from Eau Claire.
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00:15:58.000 Senator, I don't know if you ever had a chance to stay at the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City, but right now it is overrun with illegals that have been transported from the southern part of the United States to the interior of the United States, happening all over the country.
00:16:12.000 And so we have a CR coming up.
00:16:14.000 I know we talked about spending previously, but is there any not advice, but how can we, the grassroots, help tactically to help us get any sort of border security done in this next measure?
00:16:25.000 One idea was like, hey, if you want your Ukraine funding, we have to tie it to border funding.
00:16:30.000 You said, hey, the Israel thing shouldn't be a problem to get approval in the Senate, but the border thing is a problem to get approval.
00:16:36.000 That's really weird, Senator, that the U.S. Senate would be super okay with, and they should to send money to Israel, but not to secure our own nation.
00:16:44.000 That's strange.
00:16:45.000 Well, again, just a quick fact.
00:16:47.000 You've got Eric Adams, mayor of New York, saying that this is going to destroy New York or bankrupt it.
00:16:53.000 They're dealing with 100,000 immigrants.
00:16:55.000 That's less than 2% of the 6 million that have come across during Biden's presidency.
00:17:00.000 So, I mean, that's I don't doubt that what he's saying, but that's why we need to get control over this.
00:17:07.000 I do think, in terms of this war supplemental, certainly conservatives are asking that this all be split up, handle one issue at a time.
00:17:15.000 But when you start taking up Ukraine for sure, we ought to be insisting on very strong border security measures.
00:17:21.000 And again, nothing that we're going to compromise on.
00:17:24.000 I mean, we need to dramatically increase the credible fear standard so it matches more an asylum claim.
00:17:31.000 I heard recently that CBP said that less than you know, 90% of people that have come into this country haven't even claimed asylum.
00:17:40.000 They don't have to.
00:17:42.000 They just get encountered, processed, and dispersed.
00:17:45.000 That's a travesty.
00:17:46.000 So we actually need to change the law so that even in an administration that's trying to enforce the law, that credible fear standard is way too low.
00:17:57.000 It's got to be something like more likely than not that they actually have a credible fear of being persecuted by their government and that their story is more likely than not true.
00:18:06.000 That's a much higher standard.
00:18:07.000 We've got to do those types of things.
00:18:09.000 We've got to return people that don't meet the standards like the return to Mexico policy that actually worked. 0.97
00:18:13.000 There has to be consequences for coming to this country illegally without a valid asylum claim.
00:18:17.000 And the vast majority coming, as sympathetic as we may be with so many of them, they're not valid asylum claims and we shouldn't be letting them in. 1.00
00:18:25.000 I totally agree.
00:18:26.000 Senator, in closing here, Weiss is supposed to testify behind closed doors.
00:18:30.000 I don't know if he already has to some people in the House.
00:18:33.000 You have been a leader to really root out Biden corruption with the Marco Polo report and many different things.
00:18:39.000 It seems as if that has not been primary front page news.
00:18:44.000 In your personal opinion, what is the status of these investigations?
00:18:47.000 Both you and Senator Grassley have been leading the charge on this, and then also the subsequent FBI and DOJ cover-ups of the Biden corruption.
00:18:55.000 Where do we stand?
00:18:56.000 Well, again, I think Chairman Jordan and Comer are doing a great job of filling in the piece of the puzzle in terms of the corruption of the Biden crime family.
00:19:06.000 And certainly Chairman Jordan, you know, looking at potential abuses within the FBI.
00:19:11.000 Charlie, I tell you, it's like pulling teeth, though.
00:19:13.000 The deep state does not give up its secrets very easily, and the FBI just basically stonewalls.
00:19:18.000 So, I mean, it's probably a good sign that Attorney Weiss is coming in to testify, you know, and this will be transcribed.
00:19:24.000 This will be under oath.
00:19:26.000 So it's going to be difficult for him to wiggle around the discrepancy between his story and Merrick Garland's story.
00:19:32.000 So I'm looking forward to see the transcript of that interview.
00:19:36.000 Who's going to be conducting it?
00:19:37.000 Will Jim Jordan be doing that or will it be house attorneys?
00:19:41.000 Yeah, my guess.
00:19:42.000 I mean, my guess is Chairman Jordan will be there, but they've got some good, good staff members that know how to ask questions, good investigators.
00:19:49.000 So I'd expect they'll do a good job.
00:19:50.000 Yeah, my guess is that he's going to have a lot of memory problems.
00:19:54.000 That tends to be the case when you bring these guys in.
00:19:57.000 They tend to forget everything.
00:19:58.000 Senator, thank you so much for your time and keep up the great work.
00:20:01.000 Thank you.
00:20:01.000 You too.
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