The Charlie Kirk Show - The Right Way To Talk Abortion

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00:01:26.000 Charlie, you wanted to talk about Shmorshen.

00:01:31.000 Are we not allowed to say the word?

00:01:32.000 No, you can say the word.

00:01:33.000 I'm just being extra.

00:01:34.000 Okay.

00:01:34.000 I'm trying to spice it up a little bit.

00:01:37.000 Yeah, spice it up!

00:01:38.000 Let's go.

00:01:38.000 Let me see if I can frame it from a dating-related... Would you date a guy who was pro-life?

00:01:46.000 Starting with you.

00:01:47.000 Would I date one right now?

00:01:48.000 Yeah.

00:01:48.000 Okay.

00:01:50.000 No.

00:01:51.000 No.

00:01:52.000 Yes.

00:01:53.000 Probably not.

00:01:54.000 I don't think so.

00:01:55.000 No.

00:01:56.000 That's a requirement, yes.

00:01:58.000 Good for you.

00:01:59.000 I mean, I think women should have the right to choose in certain situations. 1.00

00:02:07.000 Okay.

00:02:08.000 Mainly based on essaying.

00:02:10.000 Sure, okay.

00:02:12.000 Take it away, Charlie.

00:02:13.000 Yeah, I mean, who has strong opinions on the topic?

00:02:16.000 Don't look at me!

00:02:17.000 The Canadian.

00:02:18.000 Canadian!

00:02:20.000 Alright, for those of you that are pro-abortion, anyone of you can chime in.

00:02:24.000 You can take a second.

00:02:25.000 When does life begin?

00:02:27.000 When you have consciousness.

00:02:29.000 Okay, when is that?

00:02:31.000 It's debated, but probably around 20 to 24 weeks.

00:02:34.000 Maybe 18 to 24 weeks.

00:02:36.000 So then would you say we should allow no more abortions after 18 weeks?

00:02:40.000 It's a little tougher after that.

00:02:42.000 I probably would agree that maybe you shouldn't.

00:02:46.000 If you do, maybe, you know, I'll be more okay with it, but at the same time, I'd be a little weary about it.

00:02:51.000 Okay.

00:02:52.000 Anybody else have a thought on that?

00:02:53.000 I don't care.

00:02:55.000 Okay, okay.

00:02:56.000 No opinion.

00:02:57.000 Hold on, because some abortions late-term are kind of crazy. 0.98

00:03:00.000 I agree.

00:03:01.000 You shouldn't have abortions super late-term. 1.00

00:03:03.000 Right, which America has the craziest late-term abortion laws. 0.95

00:03:06.000 Welcome to Canada.

00:03:07.000 Canada's also out of control too.

00:03:09.000 Canada's anytime in Canada.

00:03:12.000 Wow.

00:03:13.000 Anytime.

00:03:13.000 That's remarkable.

00:03:14.000 What does anytime mean?

00:03:15.000 Any time in the womb?

00:03:17.000 Up to gestation.

00:03:18.000 Oh, wow.

00:03:19.000 Literally, in Canada.

00:03:20.000 I think it's dependent on the area, actually.

00:03:23.000 But abortion is also a medical term, so it's not necessarily that someone wants to get rid of it.

00:03:27.000 It's also a medical abortion, so you need to... Because I had someone in my life who, six months in, they were super happy about their pregnancy, and they had to have an abortion because their fetus died inside of them.

00:03:41.000 See, that's a surgical removal, though.

00:03:43.000 It's still considered an abortion.

00:03:44.000 Is that right?

00:03:45.000 Yeah, it's still considered an abortion.

00:03:46.000 Well, you're not really aborting a pregnancy, so it's just a... Maybe not aborting a pregnancy, but you're still aborting.

00:03:51.000 It's still an abortion. 0.98

00:03:52.000 I guess, yeah, I guess that's a... In the U.S., too.

00:03:55.000 Yeah, it's still the same term.

00:03:56.000 It's still the same term.

00:03:57.000 Yeah, it's just not technically an abortion.

00:03:59.000 An abortion would be the... Well, when you're thinking of abortion, you're thinking of aborting a live fetus that may be viable to live on.

00:04:06.000 But an abortion can still be a fetus that is already dead that you have to abort because it will rot inside of you and kill you. 0.64

00:04:06.000 Correct. 0.64

00:04:15.000 That's the sensitive areas still in the U.S.

00:04:18.000 No, even pro-life people, myself, are okay if the fetus is no longer living, removing the fetus.

00:04:22.000 Well, that's what happened to this person that I knew.

00:04:22.000 Yeah.

00:04:24.000 They had to have an abortion at six months because they're...

00:04:27.000 Yeah, again, I wouldn't say that's an abortion, but I don't want to debate that.

00:04:30.000 It technically is an abortion.

00:04:32.000 But like with Texas, for example, Texas law, right?

00:04:34.000 You're allowed to remove a dead fetus.

00:04:36.000 Yeah, that's still an abortion at that point. 0.99

00:04:38.000 It's still an abortion. 0.98

00:04:39.000 You have to abort the fetus.

00:04:41.000 I know, but is it living?

00:04:42.000 No, no, it doesn't have to be living for it to be an abortion. 1.00

00:04:45.000 Right, we're just qualming over terms.

00:04:47.000 That would be a surgery for... But we should call it what it is.

00:04:50.000 If it's an abortion, it's an abortion. 1.00

00:04:52.000 Okay, that's an interesting debate.

00:04:53.000 What is abortion? 1.00

00:04:54.000 Uh, removing a fetus dead or alive from your body.

00:04:57.000 I would say alive. 0.61

00:04:57.000 Okay, dead or alive. 0.61

00:04:58.000 We just disagree.

00:04:59.000 Yeah.

00:04:59.000 I mean, I would say that ceasing the life.

00:05:01.000 That's interesting you said dead or alive.

00:05:03.000 But even when it's dead, you have to abort it.

00:05:05.000 You have to remove it.

00:05:06.000 Abort.

00:05:07.000 Abort.

00:05:08.000 Abort mission.

00:05:09.000 Well, you can remove it without surgery though.

00:05:12.000 No, not when it's six months old.

00:05:13.000 Well, not six months, but at a month.

00:05:15.000 But, so what about six months?

00:05:16.000 What would you call it then, when you have to remove a six-month-old fetus?

00:05:19.000 Again, we're qualming over terms.

00:05:20.000 I wouldn't disagree that it requires surgery, but... Is it not an abortion? 0.86

00:05:23.000 No, because you're not actually aborting the mission.

00:05:25.000 You have to abort the mission.

00:05:27.000 The fetus is dead.

00:05:28.000 Remove it.

00:05:30.000 What?!

00:05:31.000 So, 500 years ago, how did that fetus leave the... You know, the mother... The fetus would rot inside the mother, and the mother would die.

00:05:37.000 Not all the time, no.

00:05:38.000 The woman could also give birth to the dead fetus. 1.00

00:05:41.000 But that doesn't happen all the time.

00:05:42.000 That rarely happens.

00:05:44.000 That's why they call upon it to be removed because nine times out of ten the mother will die from the fetus rotting inside of her. 0.94

00:05:50.000 I'm morally fine with that, that's for sure.

00:05:52.000 Do you think that if a baby can feel pain regardless of consciousness?

00:05:57.000 Hold on.

00:05:57.000 I'm talking about a dead fetus at six months.

00:05:59.000 I'm not disagreeing with that.

00:05:59.000 No, no.

00:06:00.000 You're dwelling on that micro issue.

00:06:02.000 Sorry.

00:06:02.000 No, okay.

00:06:03.000 I'm listening.

00:06:03.000 Hold on.

00:06:04.000 Okay.

00:06:04.000 But going way back to, like, when abortion should be illegal.

00:06:08.000 So, you say life begins at consciousness.

00:06:10.000 Sorry.

00:06:10.000 Wait.

00:06:10.000 When should abortion be illegal?

00:06:12.000 I think all abortions should be illegal. 0.97

00:06:12.000 At what time? 0.97

00:06:14.000 But at what time?

00:06:15.000 You said... At beginning at conception.

00:06:17.000 Okay.

00:06:17.000 No.

00:06:18.000 I'm trying to understand your position.

00:06:20.000 Okay, I'll hold back. 0.94

00:06:22.000 Sorry, I'm just going to shut up.

00:06:22.000 I'm listening.

00:06:24.000 That's okay.

00:06:25.000 So you say consciousness is when life begins.

00:06:28.000 Mm-hmm.

00:06:29.000 Okay.

00:06:29.000 So then if somebody is without consciousness after a car accident and they're on life support, they're no longer living.

00:06:36.000 Unplug them.

00:06:37.000 Unplug them?

00:06:37.000 Take me out.

00:06:38.000 Okay.

00:06:38.000 Yeah.

00:06:39.000 You're consistent.

00:06:39.000 I'm fine with that.

00:06:40.000 So even the ones that come back to full consciousness when their brainwaves are no longer detected, it doesn't matter.

00:06:43.000 Too late, baby.

00:06:44.000 Unplug.

00:06:46.000 I'm fine with that.

00:06:47.000 I have no issue with that.

00:06:49.000 What do you mean?

00:06:49.000 How is that crazy?

00:06:51.000 That's kind of... That's inhumane, isn't it?

00:06:55.000 But also I see her point because so many people are kept alive by their family members who are grieving.

00:07:00.000 But I thought they're not alive.

00:07:02.000 No, no, but their bodies are kept physically alive by their families that are grieving.

00:07:08.000 And I'm talking about like for years and years and families that can afford it, right?

00:07:12.000 And that's why I see your point.

00:07:14.000 But also, a physically developing fetus is not the same as a full-grown human that's already alive.

00:07:21.000 For sure.

00:07:21.000 What species is the fetus?

00:07:24.000 They're human, but they're still a fetus.

00:07:26.000 That's why we differentiate a fetus from a human.

00:07:28.000 But what does fetus mean?

00:07:29.000 What does that word mean?

00:07:30.000 Fetus is a developing human.

00:07:31.000 They're not quite human yet.

00:07:34.000 So they become a human right when brainwaves happen?

00:07:37.000 When they develop mental consciousness.

00:07:40.000 Which could be as early as 6 weeks, 12 weeks.

00:07:41.000 Yeah, we don't know the exact date.

00:07:43.000 We don't know the exact date.

00:07:44.000 But if we have data that shows 6 weeks, you'd be cool with cutting it off.

00:07:47.000 Yeah, if we could see six weeks that you had mental consciousness that you could experience life and form memories, but at six weeks you can't.

00:07:56.000 You just can't.

00:07:57.000 Do you even have a heartbeat at six weeks?

00:07:59.000 Well, you do.

00:07:59.000 No.

00:08:00.000 Yeah, around six or seven weeks.

00:08:01.000 Is it not ten weeks?

00:08:02.000 It depends.

00:08:03.000 I mean, we sort of know.

00:08:05.000 I mean, every baby's trajectory is different.

00:08:06.000 It's between six to ten weeks.

00:08:08.000 So yeah, but if a baby can feel pain and have a heartbeat, you're okay with that?

00:08:13.000 No, I don't care about a heartbeat at all.

00:08:16.000 I don't care about a heartbeat in any capacity.

00:08:18.000 Why?

00:08:19.000 Because if I'm brain dead and I'm laying in a hospital bed and I have a heartbeat but my brain is dead, you're gonna pull the plug.

00:08:24.000 Do you think that a human being is more than brain waves?

00:08:28.000 It's all about your brain.

00:08:28.000 No.

00:08:29.000 No, see, we have a good disagreement here.

00:08:31.000 I think a human being has a soul.

00:08:32.000 Does anyone else think human beings have souls?

00:08:33.000 No, I believe you have a soul, but your soul connects to your brain.

00:08:35.000 Oh, hold on.

00:08:36.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:08:36.000 No?

00:08:38.000 I also believe we have a soul.

00:08:38.000 Who else thinks we have souls?

00:08:40.000 We have soul?

00:08:41.000 Soul?

00:08:42.000 Not sure.

00:08:42.000 Soul?

00:08:44.000 Not sure.

00:08:44.000 Eh.

00:08:45.000 What do you think?

00:08:46.000 Of course.

00:08:47.000 Yes.

00:08:48.000 So, you think soul or yes or no?

00:08:50.000 Sorry, hold on.

00:08:51.000 That's okay.

00:08:52.000 So you think soul, brain, and mind are all one thing, right?

00:08:54.000 That's what you think.

00:08:55.000 I think it all connects in some way.

00:08:57.000 Got it.

00:08:58.000 So, I believe that soul happens as soon as creation happens.

00:09:02.000 I agree with that.

00:09:03.000 I agree with that.

00:09:03.000 Yes.

00:09:04.000 So then, if you are terminating a baby prior to brainwaves, you're still terminating a soul.

00:09:09.000 Your soul will go into another being.

00:09:10.000 You'll get reincarnated in something else. 0.99

00:09:12.000 What is your soul without a brain?

00:09:12.000 Hold on, I don't believe that.

00:09:14.000 That's a good question.

00:09:16.000 So, I mean, let's play this out.

00:09:18.000 When you die, if we believe in a soul, then it transcends your brainwaves.

00:09:21.000 Yeah.

00:09:23.000 So that means it's not in your brain then.

00:09:24.000 It's outside of your brain.

00:09:25.000 It's your whole being is your soul.

00:09:27.000 Yeah, but you're not physically here, so what would be the difference between pulling the cord or not pulling the cord?

00:09:30.000 Exactly.

00:09:31.000 Your soul would still exist.

00:09:32.000 Well, no, for sure. 1.00

00:09:33.000 With that argument, we should just kill a lot of people and think nothing of it. 1.00

00:09:36.000 Their souls will go where they need to go. 1.00

00:09:36.000 Sure. 1.00

00:09:38.000 I know, but what you're saying is that since a being has a soul, which is my argument, we don't have a right to pull the plug or to terminate that being.

00:09:47.000 Regardless of as brainwaves or not because the soul is there at the moment of crying out because when your loved

00:09:51.000 one is suffering And they're you know, the fetus is not suffering. The baby's

00:09:55.000 not suffering in two weeks. Can I can I ask a question?

00:09:57.000 How does this?

00:09:59.000 Translate to like war when you when you well, there's a lot of

00:10:02.000 We can argue we can argue we can argue about Abortion and things like that how it's wrong, but then some

00:10:16.000 a lot of or some more right-leaning Are okay with war still in the like sacrificing men's lives

00:10:22.000 So how does that translate with?

00:10:24.000 No, I mean, it's a good question.

00:10:25.000 I mean, I'm totally against the Ukraine-Russian war, for example.

00:10:28.000 I think it should end.

00:10:29.000 I mean, again, I think all human beings are made in the image of God.

00:10:32.000 Nothing should be trivialized.

00:10:33.000 But as far as, like, people being okay with war, I mean, you have to give me an example.

00:10:38.000 Wait, can I be charitable here?

00:10:40.000 Would perhaps a better argument from your position be, why are these people also in favor of the death sentence?

00:10:46.000 Sure, sure, that can be another way.

00:10:46.000 Is that kind of what you're arguing?

00:10:47.000 Okay, I mean, that's a good question, because... Are you in favor of the death sentence?

00:10:50.000 Yeah, the death penalty, absolutely.

00:10:51.000 But, okay, so you're in favor of the death penalty, but you're not in favor of abortion?

00:10:55.000 Because you think infants are innocent?

00:10:58.000 Is that why?

00:10:58.000 Or... Yes, let's take an example, okay?

00:11:02.000 This last week, two illegal aliens in this country just kidnapped and raped a 12-year-old. 0.98

00:11:07.000 Not the illegal aliens, sorry. 0.99

00:11:10.000 Okay, but they have the potential to.

00:11:15.000 Well, everyone has free will, and the potential to, but someone who just kidnapped and raped two 12-year-olds, they're in a complete different moral universe than a baby who is sitting patiently in a womb.

00:11:27.000 It's also, it's the argument, like, I totally understand that fetuses are innocent, but it's the same argument that, like, you know, if it, if it's the, what is it, the violinist.

00:11:37.000 I've talked about this before, the first time I was on the violinist argument.

00:11:39.000 I've been through this so many times.

00:11:40.000 I know you've been through this, but I'll still run it through.

00:11:42.000 The violinist argument where you're hooked up, you wake up and you're hooked up to the most famous violinist and they're hooked up to you and you have to sit there for nine months bedridden to take care of them.

00:11:52.000 But in order for that metaphor to be true, Did you know the night before that you had a chance to potentially be hooked up to a violinist if you had a bunch of pleasure?

00:12:00.000 Okay, I get that part, but even... Because you agreed to have sex before all of a sudden the violinist showed up in your room.

00:12:07.000 Even at that point, accidents happen.

00:12:10.000 It's also like you could just leave your front door open by accident and now someone's sitting in your house for...

00:12:15.000 Hold on a second. 0.66

00:12:16.000 But having sex is a choice. 0.81

00:12:18.000 Now, less than 1% of all abortions are rape incest.

00:12:20.000 But having sex is a choice. 0.81

00:12:21.000 You don't have to have that choice.

00:12:22.000 Choices come with a cost.

00:12:23.000 But you don't choose to be pregnant when you have sex. 0.82

00:12:25.000 You don't choose to be pregnant. 0.96

00:12:26.000 Well, hold on.

00:12:27.000 But you have a choice to have sex in the first place.

00:12:29.000 Yes, but you don't choose to be pregnant. 0.88

00:12:32.000 Sex doesn't always lead to pregnancy. 0.99

00:12:33.000 Women are only fertile for five days of the month. 1.00

00:12:36.000 Right.

00:12:37.000 So why do you need to have sex? 0.98

00:12:39.000 It feels good! 0.97

00:12:40.000 What are you talking about?

00:12:41.000 So we should just do what feels good, regardless of the choices or consequences?

00:12:44.000 Yes!

00:12:44.000 People do that all the time!

00:12:45.000 People love feeling good!

00:12:46.000 But just because people do things all the time, is that right?

00:12:48.000 No, it's not about people doing... People like feeling good.

00:12:51.000 People like doing good things that give them dopamine and serotonin!

00:12:54.000 So should what feels good be prioritized over what is good?

00:12:54.000 We're getting somewhere, right.

00:13:00.000 Sometimes it depends exactly on what it is.

00:13:02.000 Okay, so if I can have pleasure and a bunch of people die, that's perfectly fine.

00:13:07.000 I said it depends on what it is.

00:13:09.000 If people are dying... Okay, so again, back to the point, is that you don't, outside of rape or those very, very fringe text cases, 99% of the time, you don't just wake up and you're magically pregnant.

00:13:20.000 No, no, you know that you had sex and you're like, oh, s**t. Hold on a second. 0.98

00:13:24.000 So, why do you then get to have the orgasm without the responsibility? 1.00

00:13:28.000 Hold on, because you don't get to have the orgasm, you just wake up pregnant. 1.00

00:13:31.000 Let's be honest.

00:13:31.000 Hold on a second, but hold on.

00:13:34.000 No, but if the woman chooses to keep the baby, the man has to pay child support.

00:13:38.000 I don't agree with that.

00:13:39.000 Well, it's the law. 1.00

00:13:40.000 But yeah, well, the law might be stupid sometimes. 0.99

00:13:43.000 Both parties made the choice, which is interesting. 0.99

00:13:43.000 Well, that's right. 0.99

00:13:45.000 Do you think that men should be able to have a say before a woman has an abortion? 0.77

00:13:48.000 I think it should be a conversation.

00:13:50.000 Should both parties have to agree?

00:13:52.000 I think so.

00:13:53.000 You're consistent.

00:13:54.000 Good for you.

00:13:55.000 I don't think you should be able to force women into abortion just like you shouldn't be able to force women out of an abortion.

00:14:00.000 No way each way or the other.

00:14:02.000 No way.

00:14:03.000 You can't tell someone to do with their body.

00:14:05.000 But is it their body or is it that another body is within their body?

00:14:08.000 It's... Okay, but if someone broke into my house, I would put a gun to their head and say, get the f*** out or die. 1.00

00:14:13.000 But wait, hold on. 1.00

00:14:14.000 You invited the baby into the house with somebody... No, no, I... In a night of passion.

00:14:18.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:14:19.000 I didn't invite the... I didn't invite the baby over.

00:14:21.000 I left the door unlocked by accident.

00:14:23.000 Can somebody push back?

00:14:24.000 Push back.

00:14:25.000 But wait, that baby is then within you.

00:14:28.000 Okay.

00:14:29.000 And... And it's still my body within me.

00:14:31.000 Me, my body.

00:14:32.000 Right, but it's... So is it your DNA?

00:14:34.000 It doesn't matter if it's my DNA.

00:14:35.000 I don't care about that.

00:14:36.000 Why do you have control over somebody else's DNA?

00:14:36.000 Hold on.

00:14:38.000 I thought you said... Because they're in me!

00:14:39.000 If they want control, they should have come out earlier.

00:14:41.000 Oh, got it.

00:14:41.000 So it's a location issue.

00:14:42.000 Super interesting.

00:14:43.000 So location matters more than being.

00:14:47.000 Just because somebody happens to be within a womb?

00:14:49.000 If it was my baby in Hawaii, pop!

00:14:52.000 Take them out.

00:14:53.000 However, so if somebody has...

00:14:57.000 If it's your DNA, you have total choice of your DNA. 0.52

00:15:00.000 To take a vaccine or not a vaccine.

00:15:01.000 To be able to drink Coke or drink Sprite.

00:15:04.000 If they're in my body and they're affecting my life, I'll do what I want with them.

00:15:08.000 Easily.

00:15:09.000 So just because somebody's location determines their moral worth.

00:15:12.000 No, it's not about necessarily location, it's about how they affect me.

00:15:16.000 For nine months.

00:15:17.000 After you chose to be able to get in that circumstance.

00:15:19.000 It's not even just nine months, it's after the fact too.

00:15:22.000 You have postpartum depression.

00:15:24.000 Yeah, so that's interesting.

00:15:25.000 So we're getting somewhere.

00:15:26.000 So your argument is you should do what is expedient, even if there is a victim and there might be a casualty.

00:15:33.000 You wouldn't even know they're a victim.

00:15:34.000 Okay, that's interesting.

00:15:36.000 Is it okay to murder if the person does not know they were murdered?

00:15:40.000 Sure, why not?

00:15:41.000 They won't even know!

00:15:42.000 So it's okay to go to an old person's home, a bunch of people with dementia, and just start poppin', poppin' rounds?

00:15:46.000 Sure!

00:15:47.000 Poppin' rounds.

00:15:47.000 Bye!

00:15:48.000 You just killed your argument.

00:15:50.000 No, I know, I'm not even kidding!

00:15:52.000 No, you did just kill your argument.

00:15:53.000 So we can go to old people's homes, dementia, Alzheimer's, they're drained on society, they don't know who they are, they don't know their name, they don't know their relatives. 0.99

00:15:59.000 By the way, millions of people with dementia and Alzheimer's, and we just kill them. 0.98

00:16:02.000 I don't think that you should! 0.99

00:16:03.000 Hold on, oh no, you said you should be able to.

00:16:05.000 But it's not necessarily, like, if they're never gonna know, they're never gonna know.

00:16:10.000 Okay, so murdering dementia patients is consistent.

00:16:13.000 You're right, you are being consistent.

00:16:15.000 I think there is a little bit of inconsistency, because, like, after you're dead, you're dead, in a lot of cases, in a lot of religions, right?

00:16:21.000 So, like... A fetus isn't even born, though, they're not even... Yeah, but let's say, yeah, there's a person on the street, someone goes and shoots you, like, you won't know.

00:16:27.000 They're not even allowed to be dead.

00:16:29.000 So, but hold on, if you go... It's the same argument.

00:16:31.000 The question is this, is just because something is not born, are they alive and do they have value?

00:16:37.000 I don't think so.

00:16:38.000 Okay, so let's go through it.

00:16:40.000 Is it because the fetus or baby is small?

00:16:42.000 They don't have consciousness!

00:16:44.000 Hold on, we've gone through that.

00:16:46.000 Is it because they're small?

00:16:49.000 That's not your argument.

00:16:50.000 Location, that's your argument.

00:16:51.000 No, no.

00:16:52.000 Environment, but you said degree of dependency.

00:16:55.000 That's the one that you said.

00:16:57.000 You said environment, but I don't agree with the environment.

00:17:01.000 I'm going through the acronym of what most pro-abortion arguments are.

00:17:04.000 Size, level of development, environment, degree of dependency.

00:17:07.000 I always try to find which one you're prioritizing.

00:17:09.000 Every pro-abortion argument falls into one of four.

00:17:12.000 So, degree of dependency.

00:17:14.000 This baby is going to take from me.

00:17:16.000 Are you glad your mom nurtured you for nine months in the womb?

00:17:20.000 I mean, not really, to be honest.

00:17:22.000 So you wish you wouldn't have been born?

00:17:24.000 I'm chill with that, for sure.

00:17:29.000 You're consistent.

00:17:30.000 I am. 0.97

00:17:31.000 Yeah, so if you were just to be killed tomorrow, not a big deal. 0.80

00:17:35.000 I wouldn't even be having this conversation.

00:17:38.000 I think that this is important because 40 years ago, an average woman would not have answered it that way.

00:17:46.000 They would have said, my life is beautiful, my life has meaning, my life has purpose, and I'm glad my mom sacrificed for me.

00:17:51.000 I don't think that's the case for every single woman 40 years ago.

00:17:54.000 Well, the vast majority of women 40 years ago were not as depressed, not as suicidal, not as... No, I think you can't argue now.

00:17:59.000 The vast majority is still the same way.

00:18:01.000 She's, yeah, inconsistent.

00:18:03.000 I'm inconsistent as hell!

00:18:06.000 Do you think that she's the mainstream opinion or do you think she's a fringe opinion?

00:18:09.000 No, she's a fringe opinion, for sure. 0.99

00:18:10.000 I think she's a fringe.

00:18:11.000 It feels good.

00:18:12.000 Okay.

00:18:14.000 Completely.

00:18:15.000 Do you think she's a mainstream opinion or a fringe opinion?

00:18:17.000 I think it's pretty fringe.

00:18:18.000 Okay.

00:18:18.000 Yeah.

00:18:20.000 I'm fine with that.

00:18:20.000 That doesn't bother me at all.

00:18:22.000 Does anyone else have opinions on this matter?

00:18:24.000 If I were to say that abortion was illegal in America tomorrow, that would be worrisome to you guys?

00:18:30.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:18:31.000 Tell me why.

00:18:32.000 When we say pro-abortion, I don't think that that's necessarily accurate for how I feel.

00:18:36.000 I think I'm pro-choice because people are probably going to get abortions anyways. 0.96

00:18:40.000 I would prefer them be safe.

00:18:41.000 It's not something I would necessarily do for myself, but I do think if it's going to be happening, which it is, it should be safe and it should be something that everyone talks about and everyone's educated on beforehand.

00:18:52.000 So in Texas, they just outlawed abortion.

00:18:54.000 Abortion rates have gone down dramatically.

00:18:56.000 It's half true.

00:18:56.000 So it's not totally true.

00:18:57.000 They're going to other states to get them, but the birth rate's gone up.

00:19:00.000 So it's like this idea that people are going to find them otherwise.

00:19:02.000 Sometimes they just have the baby instead.

00:19:03.000 Are you more concerned with the birth rate going up or?

00:19:06.000 Well, all of it.

00:19:07.000 The morality of it is the number one issue, which we do not have a moral obligation to terminate human beings smaller than us.

00:19:13.000 So I have a question for you.

00:19:14.000 So if it was scientifically proven.

00:19:16.000 Yes.

00:19:16.000 Like, 100%, without a doubt, that you don't have a consciousness, you don't feel pain until the day you come out the womb.

00:19:22.000 You're fine with any and all types of abortions all of a sudden?

00:19:25.000 No, no.

00:19:25.000 Consciousness, that's her argument.

00:19:26.000 My argument is that at the point of your DNA's creation, a new soul is entering the world.

00:19:32.000 And the soul transcends reason.

00:19:33.000 And I'll prove it to you guys.

00:19:34.000 So you're saying soul and consciousness aren't related?

00:19:37.000 No, not at all.

00:19:38.000 We know that, at least in the religious realm, because when your consciousness ceases, your soul lives.

00:19:43.000 Because it goes to an afterlife in a religious context.

00:19:43.000 Oh, okay.

00:19:46.000 I'm not going to win you over on a modern context on that.

00:19:50.000 No, but let me try to win you over.

00:19:52.000 Because there are points when we all see beauty, when our reason or

00:19:55.000 our consciousness is not able to describe them.

00:19:58.000 I was at a loss for words.

00:20:00.000 That sunset was so beautiful.

00:20:01.000 It took my breath away.

00:20:03.000 It was breathtaking.

00:20:04.000 At times there are things that hit us on a soul level.

00:20:07.000 We all know this.

00:20:08.000 When we hear a certain song, see a certain painting, experience natural beauty, that touch us on a level that cannot always be described using our reasonable faculties.

00:20:19.000 And I know we all have had those, when you go to Yosemite, when you see a sunset in Santa Barbara, all of a sudden you're like, wow, that touches me on a level that is eternal and beautiful and is divine.

00:20:29.000 My argument is that every being, at the time of creation, which is when the sperm and egg meet, when the deoxyribonucleic acid is formed, that being has a soul.

00:20:40.000 And if you don't make the soul argument, then you make the consciousness argument, and it's easy to make that.

00:20:44.000 Because it's just, I think our being is more than just a bunch of brain cells.

00:20:48.000 Well, no, I think we have souls as well, along with the consciousness.

00:20:51.000 When does the soul enter the being?

00:20:52.000 When you are created.

00:20:53.000 Got it.

00:20:53.000 I would say so.

00:20:54.000 I mean, you're indifferent towards allowing a soul to be dismissed without... Because I fully believe a soul will move on to another being.

00:21:03.000 Got it.

00:21:04.000 That's interesting.

00:21:04.000 So what was wrong with Auschwitz?

00:21:07.000 I mean, that was just horrible.

00:21:08.000 That's an insane question.

00:21:08.000 Why?

00:21:10.000 So the Jewish souls were going to another place. 1.00

00:21:11.000 What's wrong with that?

00:21:12.000 No, no, no.

00:21:12.000 Because they were being tortured.

00:21:14.000 Well, no.

00:21:15.000 Let's say the death was quick.

00:21:16.000 No, no.

00:21:16.000 It wasn't, though.

00:21:17.000 Let's not play stupid here. 0.99

00:21:18.000 Okay, let's just... A lot of deaths were incidents of execution. 0.99

00:21:22.000 If the death was... No, they were starved.

00:21:25.000 Well, some were.

00:21:25.000 But let me just... Let me rephrase it, then.

00:21:27.000 Some!

00:21:27.000 What an insane thing to say!

00:21:28.000 Some!

00:21:30.000 Well, yes, some Jews were immediately killed when they got off of the railcars.

00:21:33.000 No!

00:21:34.000 They were tortured!

00:21:34.000 They were tearing away from their families!

00:21:36.000 Let me ask you a different question, though.

00:21:38.000 If the death was seamless and without pain and immediate, is that okay?

00:21:42.000 Okay, can you just pull away from the Auschwitz argument?

00:21:44.000 Because that is insane to compare that to.

00:21:47.000 Well, no, you just said that the soul goes to another place, and that's fine.

00:21:49.000 Yes, but it's not about the soul.

00:21:51.000 It's also about the living being.

00:21:52.000 Oh, so it's about the form of death.

00:21:54.000 No, it's about the living being what they experience, but I don't fully believe that fetuses experiencing a living life until they have consciousness, and I don't believe that they do until, what, 22 weeks.

00:22:04.000 When you have a 14-week abortion at Planned Parenthood in Southern California, they offer for an additional fee pain medication for the fetus.

00:22:11.000 I'm sure.

00:22:12.000 So the data assumes.

00:22:14.000 I knew.

00:22:15.000 Nobody can ask them, but the data assumes that at 14 weeks, which is legal, California's 20 weeks, right?

00:22:20.000 At 14, the data shows that the fetus can feel pain and struggle, so they offer for an additional fee,

00:22:25.000 you can either get pain medication for your fetus as you abort it or you can get a pizza. 0.66

00:22:28.000 Okay, so then, so.

00:22:29.000 That's interesting.

00:22:30.000 For a pizza?

00:22:31.000 It's about 40 bucks extra to get pain medication for your feet.

00:22:33.000 But women also have to get an IUD with no pain medication. 1.00

00:22:36.000 Terrible too.

00:22:37.000 The medical industry drive towards women is not fair.

00:22:41.000 If there were less abortions in America, would that be a good thing? 1.00

00:22:44.000 Yes.

00:22:44.000 Of course.

00:22:45.000 The question is how we get there.

00:22:46.000 That's a good question.

00:22:47.000 How do we get there?

00:22:48.000 Birth control.

00:22:49.000 So the more birth control that has happened, the more birth control we've had in the West, the more abortions we have because people have more... People need to be implemented like self-control.

00:22:49.000 Education.

00:22:59.000 How about this radical idea?

00:23:00.000 What if people waited to have sex when they got married? 1.00

00:23:03.000 That will never happen.

00:23:05.000 Why?

00:23:05.000 Because people want to I waited for marriage.

00:23:11.000 I mean, it was amazing.

00:23:13.000 That's amazing for you, but you are not.

00:23:16.000 I know it's not easy, but that's a good question.

00:23:19.000 Let me get to this though.

00:23:20.000 To those of you that haven't, I'm guessing you've all haven't waited till you got married.

00:23:23.000 Do you wish you did?

00:23:25.000 No.

00:23:26.000 No?

00:23:27.000 Do any of you wish you... So, in the ideal, if I could paint a world for you that you only shared your sexual experience with one person that was your soulmate, that's not interesting to you?

00:23:37.000 No.

00:23:37.000 Well, that's cool, but... Wait, you guys don't regret any of the men you've slept with?

00:23:42.000 I don't believe in soulmates.

00:23:43.000 You don't believe in soulmates?

00:23:45.000 Not necessarily.

00:23:45.000 How about best friend?

00:23:47.000 No.

00:23:47.000 You don't believe in best friends?

00:23:48.000 I've had a lot of best friends in my life.

00:23:50.000 Okay.

00:23:50.000 Perfect match.

00:23:51.000 I don't think that exists either.

00:23:51.000 No.

00:23:53.000 You meet so many people throughout your lifetime.

00:23:54.000 You guys are so jaded.

00:23:55.000 I do think the sex is better when you're in love.

00:23:56.000 You meet so many people throughout your lifetime.

00:23:57.000 So jaded.

00:23:57.000 At least we're consistent.

00:23:58.000 Me?

00:23:58.000 No, you're very consistent.

00:23:59.000 You can have multiple soulmates.

00:24:02.000 Multiple soulmates?

00:24:03.000 I was saying, like, with as big as the world is, you're not going to necessarily find exactly one person.

00:24:09.000 Because you're going to grow throughout your life.

00:24:10.000 Yeah.

00:24:11.000 We're changing all the time.

00:24:12.000 And sometimes people don't grow with you.

00:24:14.000 But if that person were to grow with you, then that's... So then, if it's not a soulmate, I mean this not facetiously, then what is the purpose of marriage?

00:24:22.000 I don't agree.

00:24:22.000 I wouldn't do a legal marriage.

00:24:24.000 To come into a union.

00:24:26.000 Is marriage even a thing that we should care about?

00:24:28.000 If you got divorced, and I don't wish that, but if you got divorced in 10 years, what do you think of that?

00:24:35.000 I mean, I don't think that will happen.

00:24:37.000 It's not even a hypothetical I want to entertain.

00:24:40.000 Charlie, do you think secular people should get married? 0.96

00:24:42.000 I think everyone should get married.

00:24:43.000 I think it makes you a better person.

00:24:45.000 What I find interesting though is that you've said it best, if you have as much sex as you want before, and marriage really doesn't mean much, does it?

00:24:52.000 No.

00:24:53.000 Do you think America was a better country when people waited to have sex when they got married?

00:24:57.000 You think everyone did that in America?

00:24:59.000 No, it was the vast majority of women in the 50s and 60s would not have premarital sex.

00:25:04.000 I don't think we have the technology to prove that, though.

00:25:07.000 We don't have the data.

00:25:08.000 I think a lot of women are still having sex outside of marriage. 1.00

00:25:12.000 Talk to your grandparents' generation.

00:25:13.000 We have studies.

00:25:14.000 We have surveys.

00:25:15.000 And we know this, by the way, because birth control wasn't that widespread.

00:25:17.000 Yeah, but you can still have sex without getting pregnant. 1.00

00:25:20.000 Right, but we know... There's like times and months with ovulation... But hold on a second.

00:25:24.000 So let's just... You do not think that people are having more premarital sex today than they were 60 years ago?

00:25:29.000 I'm sure they are.

00:25:30.000 No, they definitely aren't.

00:25:31.000 Okay, alright.

00:25:32.000 But that doesn't mean they weren't at all before.

00:25:34.000 So I'm asking, do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing?

00:25:38.000 That people are having more premarital sex?

00:25:40.000 I personally don't like it. 0.95

00:25:41.000 I don't like cuckoo culture at all.

00:25:43.000 Don't like hookup culture, but you're not regretting sleeping with a bunch of guys before a soulmate help me 1.00

00:25:48.000 understand. I Okay, hold on

00:25:52.000 Hold on and you don't like hookup culture, but you also do only fans to help me understand

00:25:56.000 Okay, so my my body count is six and two of those I was in a relationship with

00:26:02.000 The third one, I thought I was going to be in a relationship with.

00:26:05.000 And the three before that, all of my friends were hooking up with guys, so I thought, like, oh, that's what I need to do, because they're all hooking up, so this is the normal thing.

00:26:12.000 I should be hooking up.

00:26:13.000 And I realized very quickly, I don't like hooking up with random men.

00:26:18.000 I don't like that.

00:26:18.000 Do any of you think that women are being harmed by hookup culture?

00:26:21.000 Yes.

00:26:22.000 I agree.

00:26:23.000 So you all agree with that, but then you say that you don't think women are being harmed by hookup culture?

00:26:28.000 No.

00:26:29.000 Wait, what?

00:26:30.000 We'll get to that in a second.

00:26:31.000 However, so then, why don't all of you make a commitment that you're going to save yourself for marriage?

00:26:36.000 You could do that.

00:26:37.000 Society might not have to.

00:26:38.000 Because I'm already past the point.

00:26:40.000 Well, you can always become a new version of yourself.

00:26:44.000 What's done is done, but you could say, I'm now going to save myself from this point forward.

00:26:48.000 I don't want to be a new version.

00:26:49.000 I want to be me and they accept me for me.

00:26:50.000 What is me?

00:26:51.000 What is that?

00:26:52.000 Whatever I've done in the past and up to this point.

00:26:54.000 So there's no improvement?

00:26:56.000 I don't need to improve, necessarily.

00:26:58.000 You don't need to improve, okay.

00:27:00.000 Hold on, it's that I don't need to hide what I've done.

00:27:02.000 No, I'm not saying hide, but for example, bad example, if one is an alcoholic and they go through AA, and no, it's okay, and then you become a new version of yourself.

00:27:11.000 That's growth, right?

00:27:12.000 Yeah, that's growth, but they should still know what I've done, okay, in the past.

00:27:15.000 No, of course they know.

00:27:15.000 They know it, but I'm not saying you hide it.

00:27:18.000 I'm asking the question, what is the argument against any of you young ladies saying, you know what?

00:27:22.000 I'm no longer going to have premarital sex.

00:27:24.000 I'm going to wait until marriage. 0.99

00:27:25.000 Hookup culture is destructive.

00:27:26.000 I'm going to find a man who values me.

00:27:28.000 He's never been with another partner, and I'm going to start a new chapter.

00:27:31.000 What is the argument against that?

00:27:32.000 Um, because then you're gonna come on this podcast and we're gonna have a two-hour long conversation about how if everybody waited in the drive-thru and they paid $100, why's a man gotta pay $2?

00:27:42.000 You're gonna... It's a conversation they have on here about everybody being reborn.

00:27:47.000 They're like...

00:27:48.000 Oh, so if you wait now, everyone's already done it, it's not fair to the next man.

00:27:52.000 I'm not tracking your argument.

00:27:55.000 No, it's not really an argument, necessarily. 0.93

00:27:56.000 She's just giving an example about the fact that, like, if I don't, you know, all these people are going to participate in this anyways, so... Well, I got it, okay, but... You're kind of going to get f***ed on it, is what I'm saying. 0.98

00:28:08.000 You're going to get treated like garbage whether you do it or not. 0.99

00:28:10.000 So you think you'll be treated like garbage if you don't have premarital sex? 1.00

00:28:13.000 Oh, easily. 1.00

00:28:15.000 Easily.

00:28:16.000 Well, I just think maybe potentially the next guy wouldn't want to wait.

00:28:18.000 Because they might be like, oh, but everyone else didn't have to wait.

00:28:21.000 Do you think that you have any leverage over the men in your relationships?

00:28:26.000 What do men want more than anything else?

00:28:29.000 Probably sex. 0.96

00:28:30.000 Why don't you stop giving it to them? 0.98

00:28:32.000 Nobody's giving it to anyone.

00:28:33.000 What are you talking about?

00:28:34.000 Well, you said in your relationships you guys had premarital sex, so... But you could also, like, not participate in hookup culture and also decide to not wait until marriage.

00:28:42.000 Like, those things don't have to be... You're right, they're not synonymous, but then if you aren't waiting till marriage, then you're basically saying marriage means nothing.

00:28:48.000 That's effectively what you're saying.

00:28:49.000 Not necessarily, because marriage is about sex!

00:28:52.000 What is marriage about?

00:28:53.000 Marriage is not about sex.

00:28:53.000 It's more than sex, you're right, but what is marriage about?

00:28:56.000 It's a bond between two people.

00:28:57.000 It's the person that you choose to have a family with.

00:28:59.000 I agree.

00:29:00.000 But can't you have a bond without marriage?

00:29:02.000 If you meet someone who you don't want to have a family with, but you're actually in love or whatever, and you want to have sex, you should be able to.

00:29:09.000 And that's not hookup culture. 0.80

00:29:10.000 Of course you should be able to.

00:29:11.000 I'm arguing what one ought to do, not what one is able to do.

00:29:14.000 Able and ought are two different words.

00:29:16.000 Able, fine.

00:29:17.000 You have the freedom to do it.

00:29:18.000 I'm saying in the ideal, What is the argument against the women of America saying, men, you have to marry me to be able to sleep with me?

00:29:25.000 But also, why... You should ask your co-host right here, because he doesn't want to get married.

00:29:32.000 Yeah, I don't want to get married.

00:29:36.000 I'm a super trad guy, so excuse my questions.

00:29:38.000 Me and Charlie aren't going to agree on everything.

00:29:42.000 I do think that sexual compatibility is important in marriage.

00:29:48.000 Because that was one of the biggest pieces of tension with my ex-husband.

00:29:53.000 I mean, we had a sexless marriage.

00:29:55.000 Yeah, that's a problem.

00:29:57.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:29:58.000 I mean, my new husband and I, I mean, we waited a while.

00:30:01.000 And you said that he was more of a femboy, right? 0.96

00:30:04.000 The first one?

00:30:05.000 Or, like, more feminine, right?

00:30:08.000 I mean, he was a big, tall Mexican, but I made a lot more than he did. 1.00

00:30:14.000 Can I ask, do you think that men should wait until marriage or just women?

00:30:18.000 Absolutely.

00:30:18.000 Okay, because I agree with that then.

00:30:20.000 If women have to wait, men have to wait as well. 0.99

00:30:22.000 America, there's a lot of problems in America.

00:30:23.000 One of the problems has been that sex, in its ideal, is weighted in a holy setting between a male and female that share that experience only with their life partner.

00:30:35.000 Now there's exceptions, there's mistakes, but if we just throw it all out the window and say men won't like me and hook up culture, I think there's a lot of damage and a lot of ramifications for that.

00:30:46.000 Again, the point being is this, is I believe firmly young ladies are damaged mentally by having too many sexual partners. 1.00

00:30:53.000 I think men are too, though.

00:30:55.000 I think men are too.

00:30:56.000 No, they're not.

00:30:56.000 I think men are too.

00:30:57.000 Hookup culture hurts women far more than it hurts men.

00:31:00.000 Oh, I agree.

00:31:00.000 It hurts women more, but I think men are like, I don't think men realize how damaging it is as well to them.

00:31:06.000 Maybe.

00:31:07.000 Of course, there's damage to all people.

00:31:08.000 But men are wired differently, where many sexual partners for men does not hurt men nearly as much as many sexual partners for women, because women are far more relational driven and far more bond driven.

00:31:21.000 So they look at sex as a culmination of a bond, where men look at it as sex, as physical, purely, not always with those other elements, unless There is a component of we're going to try to develop a long-lasting bond here.

00:31:36.000 And the question is... So do you think that men have driven hookup culture then because they don't care about it as much?

00:31:41.000 I think that it's both.

00:31:42.000 I think women are driving it too. 1.00

00:31:43.000 I think it's both.

00:31:44.000 But you're saying that when women have sex, they need to have that bond and they're more concerned... It's how they're wired. 0.60

00:31:50.000 Yeah, so women are wired to want to have a bond when they're having sex with someone. 1.00

00:31:54.000 That's correct.

00:31:54.000 But men don't care.

00:31:55.000 So do you not, would you not think that men are driving hookup culture then?

00:31:59.000 No, I think both sides are.

00:32:00.000 I mean, I think that men are driving, because women are making themselves available. 0.90

00:32:04.000 That's the point.

00:32:05.000 Because they think it's going to be a longer bond.

00:32:07.000 Yeah.

00:32:09.000 No, of course.

00:32:10.000 And women should know male nature before they start sleeping around with men. 1.00

00:32:13.000 So is it a woman's fault or is it a man's fault? 0.58

00:32:16.000 It's both.

00:32:17.000 If every woman today that was marketable, and all of you guys are on the market, correct? 0.98

00:32:22.000 Looking for life partners?

00:32:23.000 I've never been on the market.

00:32:24.000 Okay.

00:32:25.000 But if every one of you, it's simple supply and demand.

00:32:28.000 If you said, we're off limits until the ring is there and the priest says the final vows, how would men react?

00:32:34.000 Hypothetically?

00:32:36.000 That would decrease half the dating pool probably, at least. 0.92

00:32:39.000 I totally disagree because we know what that world looks like.

00:32:42.000 We used to have it 50 or 60 years ago.

00:32:44.000 You know what?

00:32:44.000 Men grow up quicker.

00:32:45.000 They stop being man, child and infants.

00:32:49.000 So you're one of the ones who also probably argues against, like, there's sexual chemistry and stuff like that.

00:32:55.000 You probably argue, no, that's not real.

00:32:57.000 No, I think sexual chemistry is a real thing, but it's a culmination of different types of love that are not just erotic.

00:33:03.000 There are deeper types of love that transcend the physical.

00:33:07.000 Physical is part of it.

00:33:08.000 Sexual compatibility, as you say, is a huge part of the relationship.

00:33:11.000 But all of you know this.

00:33:12.000 You could have a partner where you had great sex and you have nothing in common.

00:33:16.000 That's not a relationship.

00:33:18.000 Orgasm and a one-night stand or whatever.

00:33:20.000 That's a situation-ship.

00:33:22.000 Yeah, okay, fine, a situation-ship.

00:33:24.000 That's not something to build a life around.

00:33:26.000 Yeah.

00:33:26.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:33:28.000 Okay, so no, we're not disagreeing.

00:33:30.000 I just, without legislation or big decrees, I know this.

00:33:36.000 That men have very primal, undeveloped, immature sexual natures.

00:33:41.000 And that is not going to change.

00:33:42.000 So should women be punished for men taking advantage of women for that? 1.00

00:33:45.000 I'm not punishing.

00:33:46.000 I'm not talking about anything.

00:33:47.000 I'm talking about cultural stuff, not legislation.

00:33:48.000 No, I'm asking about hookup culture again.

00:33:50.000 But if women want a man that they are worthy of, and many of you are not getting men you are worthy of, then you need to then stop giving the one thing that men want the most. 0.72

00:34:02.000 And that is unlimited amounts of sex all the time, bodies on the internet, because men will only view you as a visual stimulation and they'll move on. 0.96

00:34:11.000 And if you disagree, you do not understand male nature.

00:34:13.000 I, but the thing is, is men will treat you like that and talk to you like that, whether you want to do it or not, because these two don't do O.F. 0.62

00:34:20.000 I do O.F.

00:34:21.000 Their Twitch chats are just as degenerate as mine because people come in there and say the most horrible things.

00:34:26.000 You're all very talented.

00:34:27.000 You're smart.

00:34:27.000 You guys shouldn't be doing any of that.

00:34:28.000 You shouldn't.

00:34:29.000 Stop doing that.

00:34:30.000 Twitch?

00:34:30.000 What do you mean?

00:34:30.000 We play video games.

00:34:31.000 I'm saying this as someone who, like, cares about humanity.

00:34:33.000 Stop selling your body on the internet.

00:34:34.000 You're a lot smarter than that.

00:34:35.000 You're making my argument. 0.83

00:34:36.000 Men's sexual nature is very degenerative. 0.99

00:34:38.000 How do you lift it up? 0.93

00:34:38.000 Like what? 0.93

00:34:39.000 Only fans? Yes?

00:34:39.000 I do. They don't.

00:34:40.000 And they get just as horrible comments as I do.

00:34:43.000 No, that's what I'm saying.

00:34:44.000 Okay, but no, you're making my argument. 0.92

00:34:45.000 Men's sexual nature is very degenerative. 0.99

00:34:48.000 And I'm saying that... 0.81

00:34:49.000 How do you lift it up?

00:34:50.000 You lift it up by saying you don't get what you want the most until you commit.

00:34:55.000 And, but the thing is, is...

00:34:56.000 Hold on. So hold on.

00:34:58.000 So you are then, you need to lead men towards a better future.

00:35:02.000 Because I'm not doing anything more crazy than they are.

00:35:05.000 Isn't that fair?

00:35:07.000 I'm not doing anything more crazy than they are.

00:35:08.000 I'm not trying to ridicule you guys.

00:35:10.000 No, I don't care.

00:35:11.000 You can say whatever you want, but I'm saying they're getting the same degenerate comments that I am on Twitch streams.

00:35:17.000 Because you're now seeing a window into men's sexual nature.

00:35:19.000 And that's what I'm saying.

00:35:20.000 So how then do you lift it up? 0.91

00:35:21.000 Do you lift it up by giving more sex and more bodies and more pictures?

00:35:24.000 But they're always going to treat us this way.

00:35:25.000 That's interesting.

00:35:26.000 They're always going to treat us this way.

00:35:27.000 No, no, no.

00:35:27.000 That's not true.

00:35:28.000 Yes, they will.

00:35:29.000 Let me tell you.

00:35:29.000 Yes, they will.

00:35:30.000 Men can grow up, but they need a goal.

00:35:33.000 No, this is very... If you don't believe that, then you basically are dismissing all of humanity.

00:35:37.000 It's not that I can't believe that men will grow up.

00:35:38.000 Hear me out.

00:35:39.000 Men love being useful.

00:35:40.000 This is fine.

00:35:41.000 Men want a purpose.

00:35:42.000 They want to go on an adventure.

00:35:44.000 And so if you say, you can be with me, but here's the rules of the road.

00:35:48.000 Okay, but I'm on the internet and there's how many thousands of hundreds of millions of men on the internet?

00:35:53.000 I can't fix all of them!

00:35:55.000 I'm not asking you to fix all of them.

00:35:56.000 You want to change the world?

00:35:57.000 Start with changing you.

00:35:59.000 It doesn't matter!

00:36:00.000 They're not even doing O.F. 1.00

00:36:01.000 and they're still getting treated like garbage! 0.96

00:36:03.000 So, again, if you believe that what you do doesn't matter, then you're a nihilist and just do whatever you want. 0.98

00:36:08.000 It's not even about me doing O.F.!

00:36:10.000 It's about the way that men treat you when you're a woman! 1.00

00:36:13.000 So, this is the point, though, is that how do you get treated better by men?

00:36:17.000 One sec, let me ask you a question.

00:36:19.000 Do you think you get treated by men better by showing more skin or less skin?

00:36:23.000 Obviously, if you showed less skin.

00:36:24.000 Okay, so you agree.

00:36:25.000 But hold on, because even when you show less skin, there's women in full-blown covered-up burkas and they still get sexualized. 1.00

00:36:32.000 They still get acid thrown on them.

00:36:34.000 They still get onwarded in the middle of the street.

00:36:36.000 Like, what are you talking about?

00:36:37.000 Okay, I don't agree with that at all.

00:36:40.000 That's correct.

00:36:41.000 So men's sexual nature on the internet, you are seeing a window into the depraved. 0.98

00:36:46.000 Because there's no guardrails and there's no guidelines.

00:36:48.000 So how do you... One second.

00:36:49.000 How do you lift up that primal, carnal sexual nature towards something that is no longer... Why is that my responsibility?

00:36:56.000 To lift up their... Hold on.

00:36:58.000 It's not your responsibility.

00:37:00.000 It's humanity's responsibility.

00:37:01.000 But I would imagine you want a life partner at some point.

00:37:03.000 Yes?

00:37:04.000 No?

00:37:04.000 I'll figure it out when they come to me.

00:37:05.000 I'm not gonna... Let me tell you.

00:37:08.000 Doing OnlyFans, you're not gonna find a life partner.

00:37:10.000 That's totally fine.

00:37:11.000 I don't care.

00:37:11.000 Yes, she is, though.

00:37:12.000 Come on.

00:37:13.000 No, no, that's your point.

00:37:13.000 There is so many people who want to marry her.

00:37:17.000 If you think that you can find a virtuous, ethical man who tells the truth by showing a lot of skin online, you do not understand male sexual nature.

00:37:25.000 You do not.

00:37:26.000 I don't profess to know female sexual nature. 1.00

00:37:28.000 So we talked about this a little bit.

00:37:29.000 Men want what they cannot see and they cannot have. 1.00

00:37:32.000 Men want rarity, scarcity, and mystery.

00:37:34.000 They do not want abundance and cleavage and skin.

00:37:36.000 Can we get the same for men? 0.93

00:37:37.000 Can you guys stop slutting it up, please? 0.99

00:37:39.000 I'm not saying... I am asking... I mean, men have plenty of... What have I just said? 0.90

00:37:43.000 I said men's sexual nature is degenerative. 0.89

00:37:45.000 I couldn't be more, like, cruel on males' primal carnal instincts.

00:37:49.000 The question is, how do you lift this up to something better?

00:37:52.000 Yes.

00:37:52.000 So we talked about this before.

00:37:54.000 What's the difference between, so she does only lingerie pictures, right?

00:37:58.000 So what's the difference between her and like Gigi Hadid or like any Victoria's Secret model, right?

00:38:02.000 Well, there's not, there's not, I mean, is Gigi Hadid in a really great relationship and doing great?

00:38:07.000 I mean, I believe one of them has like clinical depression.

00:38:09.000 She's dating Bradley Cooper, I think?

00:38:10.000 Let's, again, most celebrity relationships last like, what, six or seven years, maybe?

00:38:16.000 Well, so your point is that they, what, they divorce more often?

00:38:19.000 Well, I mean, I'm asking, if you want to find out... Are you saying she... Again, if you're looking for celebrities for life partner roadmaps, you're looking at the wrong people, okay?

00:38:26.000 I mean, I'm asking... So you're fine with comparing that and being like, oh yeah, they're both not, they can't find high value men or whatever you're claiming?

00:38:34.000 I am very short on their long-term prospects of being a couple for the next 30 years.

00:38:38.000 I mean, if that's their question.

00:38:40.000 You do not have to create a new roadmap.

00:38:43.000 When women were more modest in their presentations, when women were more humble in their... Was that necessarily a woman being humble, or was that also the laws of the day and age?

00:38:53.000 No, in the 1950s, the laws were fine.

00:38:56.000 You couldn't get a divorce because you never had a job.

00:38:58.000 You couldn't get out of the relationship.

00:39:00.000 What are you talking about?

00:39:01.000 Well, I mean, no-fault divorce ended in the 60s or 70s.

00:39:03.000 You could still get a divorce. 0.96

00:39:04.000 Yeah, but you had no job.

00:39:06.000 You had no prospects.

00:39:07.000 You had nothing.

00:39:07.000 You had children to take care of.

00:39:08.000 That's a separate issue.

00:39:09.000 You're getting too far off track.

00:39:10.000 Oops.

00:39:11.000 I'm asking a theoretical question.

00:39:15.000 If more women than not made a commitment that we want a life partner, I think the reason why you all and women are willing to engage in hookup culture, even though I know it's destructive, hold on a second, even though you know it's bad for you, is because deep down women tend to be more insecure than men, and you think that you can get praise from men by doing this, and it gives you temporary security, and you're willing to then sacrifice long-term viability of finding a life partner for that temporary security. 0.81

00:39:41.000 You also expect that on me?

00:39:42.000 I don't engage in hookup culture at all.

00:39:44.000 Okay, that's fine.

00:39:45.000 I'm just saying more broadly though.

00:39:47.000 Stop the cab! 1.00

00:39:48.000 More broadly, if women were willing to actually say that I am not going to present myself online, I'm not going to get myself, you would actually have more male suitors, not less.

00:39:59.000 I'm not worried about that.

00:40:01.000 I'm not worried about more or less male suitors.

00:40:03.000 How about good ones?

00:40:04.000 Great ones?

00:40:05.000 Ones that you feel as if this is the best man I've ever met?

00:40:08.000 I'll get there when I need to get there.

00:40:10.000 Great men are hard to find.

00:40:11.000 They are.

00:40:12.000 And I'll get there when I need to get there.

00:40:16.000 So let me ask you, what is more important in your life?

00:40:18.000 Good career or great marriage and family?

00:40:20.000 I want my bills paid, so whatever takes the cake.

00:40:23.000 Well, a good husband can pay the bills too. 0.87

00:40:25.000 Yeah, and I'm not necessarily looking for a good husband right now because I'm not looking around.

00:40:33.000 Any other thoughts on that?

00:40:34.000 I guess I am pretty jaded on this conversation.

00:40:39.000 I didn't get to do the introductions but I do OnlyFans Management and I think so I read a lot of messages. 0.98

00:40:45.000 I'm not on the site myself but I read a lot of messages and it kind of sucks because you see so many messages coming in daily that are like, I wish I wasn't with my ugly wife right now, you're so much hotter.

00:40:56.000 So like for me as someone who's single and like In their 20s, it's hard to be like, yeah, I'm going to be a really perfect woman for like these kind of men. 0.88

00:41:04.000 Does that make sense?

00:41:05.000 I'm going to be honest, I even got that being on your podcast. 0.96

00:41:07.000 I even got a message on my OnlyFans from your podcast being like, you know, my girlfriend is so disgusting. 1.00

00:41:12.000 I don't like her. 0.85

00:41:13.000 I subbed your OnlyFans because you're so much better than her. 0.98

00:41:16.000 It's really hard to see both No, that's okay, but you're actually proving my point, is you're seeing a window into the depraved male sexual nature. 0.76

00:41:24.000 So then you have a choice. 0.98

00:41:25.000 You can say, forget all men, and become a lesbian, and like, just forget it, right? 0.96

00:41:29.000 I don't do that. 0.70

00:41:29.000 No, I'm not saying you want to do that, right? 0.70

00:41:31.000 Or, you could be like, I actually think that men have a proper role in society.

00:41:35.000 Most men today are grown infants. 0.97

00:41:38.000 And women have a, you don't agree with that? 1.00

00:41:40.000 Well, no, I agree that they're growing infants, but it's not my job to fix you.

00:41:44.000 I'm not saying it's your job to fix you.

00:41:45.000 It's your- it's- you have a moral obligation not to make it worse.

00:41:48.000 Well, how am I making it worse?

00:41:50.000 Because I have an OnlyFans?

00:41:51.000 Yeah, I'd say that you're participating in that.

00:41:53.000 Okay, so what exactly have you- It's all your fault.

00:41:57.000 No, I'm not saying it's all your fault, but I'm saying this as agreeably as I can.

00:42:03.000 If you are producing sexually explicit content online, you are increasing the supply, not decreasing the supply.

00:42:10.000 So even if I didn't have an OnlyFans- Even though you're a small part of it, I get it.

00:42:13.000 Okay, even if I didn't have OnlyFans, the comments that I've gotten on all of my social media, without it, have been even more degrading than the comments I've gotten on my OnlyFans!

00:42:22.000 But you're blaming the comments for your action, not taking responsibility for your action.

00:42:26.000 No, no, because even if I post a selfie of just my face, you're gonna be like, I wanna c**m all over that.

00:42:31.000 I'm like...

00:42:32.000 I'm eating a cookie! 0.81

00:42:33.000 Okay, but again, you're seeing a window into the depraved sexual nature.

00:42:38.000 So how is that my issue? 1.00

00:42:40.000 Fix it yourself, you weirdo! 0.93

00:42:42.000 Okay, but you're right. 0.97

00:42:44.000 That could be an attitude.

00:42:45.000 And that has been the attitude the last 30 years.

00:42:47.000 Where has it gotten us?

00:42:48.000 Less people married, less people in happy relationships.

00:42:51.000 So both sides have work to do.

00:42:52.000 If you were a panel of men, I'd be talking completely different.

00:42:54.000 Are you saying it's a woman's... 1.00

00:42:56.000 It's both.

00:42:56.000 Job to fix men from being depraved?

00:42:58.000 Or what are you saying here?

00:42:59.000 I have an entire chapter of this book about how we should ban pornography.

00:43:01.000 Can you sign that for me later?

00:43:02.000 I'll buy it.

00:43:02.000 You're getting close to earning it.

00:43:04.000 I earned it.

00:43:05.000 I earned it.

00:43:06.000 But no, I have an entire chapter of this book on how men need to stop watching pornography and stop being... No, I agree. 0.89

00:43:10.000 I don't watch porn at all.

00:43:11.000 I don't think anyone should.

00:43:12.000 Both sides have growth to do.

00:43:13.000 I don't think anyone should.

00:43:14.000 But we're here at a female-driven panel, so I'm trying to... Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. 0.99

00:43:18.000 Hold on, let me throw a little handful. 1.00

00:43:21.000 Yes, I'm way over time, but yeah.

00:43:22.000 You want to ban pornography?

00:43:24.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:43:25.000 I agree.

00:43:25.000 I totally agree.

00:43:25.000 You agree?

00:43:26.000 I agree.

00:43:26.000 So you're an OnlyFans, so help me work this out.

00:43:28.000 Yeah, but I don't do pornography.

00:43:29.000 Is it lingerie, you said?

00:43:30.000 Yeah.

00:43:31.000 It's borderline, but yeah.

00:43:32.000 Yeah, borderline, but it's a Victoria's Secret model.

00:43:34.000 Fair enough.

00:43:34.000 Yeah, okay.

00:43:35.000 You do OnlyFans.

00:43:36.000 Are you in favor?

00:43:36.000 Do you object to Charlie's position on banning porn?

00:43:40.000 Um, yeah.

00:43:41.000 Which one?

00:43:42.000 Correspondingly, you're in favor of it.

00:43:44.000 You earned a book with your stance.

00:43:45.000 Wait, do you mean like, if I'm against it?

00:43:47.000 Is that Kit Kat Julie?

00:43:49.000 He wants to ban porn, so you'd be banning what you do.

00:43:52.000 I'm so excited!

00:43:55.000 I say Julie, ban porn. 1.00

00:43:56.000 I'm taking this all the way back to Canada.

00:44:00.000 It literally says Julie, ban porn. 0.93

00:44:01.000 Back to Canada.

00:44:02.000 All the way back to Canada.

00:44:02.000 Speaking of Canada, Charlie, do you think we should annex Canada?

00:44:05.000 No.

00:44:05.000 No, I don't want Canada.

00:44:06.000 Nobody wants Canada. 0.84

00:44:07.000 I hate it there too, don't worry.

00:44:08.000 Do you have time for just a few more questions?

00:44:10.000 Yeah, I got like five minutes.

00:44:11.000 Five minutes is okay.

00:44:12.000 That was really good though, guys.

00:44:13.000 But think about, I'm just saying that you have to then act In the direction of the man you want.

00:44:20.000 And men have to act in the direction of the woman they want. 0.59

00:44:22.000 I agree.

00:44:23.000 And at some point, maybe romantically, we can meet halfway.

00:44:27.000 Thanks so much for listening everybody.

00:44:28.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:44:30.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 05, 2024

The Right Way To Talk Abortion

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