The Charlie Kirk Show - The RINO Plot To Dump "Mass Deportations"

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00:01:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show here at the YREFI Studios in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:01:23.000 Welcome, Blake.

00:01:24.000 Howdy.

00:01:25.000 So there's lots going on this morning.

00:01:28.000 We're going to hit the DeCarlos Brown story, the Aruna Zarutska killer, in just a second, but we want to give you a quick update on the status.

00:01:37.000 Of the fragile ceasefire.

00:01:38.000 We knew it was fragile.

00:01:40.000 Has anything updated since yesterday?

00:01:41.000 Well, Vice President Vance is out front, and I mean, you rarely see him this frustrated.

00:01:46.000 Now, we know why I think this is interesting is because Vice President Vance, we know from that blockbuster expose by Swan and Maggie Haberman that Vice President Vance was very against going into war.

00:01:59.000 He was very vocal about it internally.

00:02:01.000 We've known this from reporting that he was against going into Iran.

00:02:06.000 I think he's now going to be having a very Prominent position in the negotiations in Islamabad this Friday, Saturday, over the weekend.

00:02:14.000 So he's being asked about different aspects of this, and the clips are, I think, very telling, very important to give us a framework through which to process everything that's going on.

00:02:25.000 And one of the main keys is what's happening in Lebanon, what's happening in the Strait of Hormuz.

00:02:31.000 Those seem to actually be the two keys, I'll say.

00:02:33.000 Let's go ahead and start.

00:02:34.000 Sat 1.

00:02:35.000 I think the Iranians thought that the ceasefire included Lebanon, and it just didn't.

00:02:40.000 We never made that promise.

00:02:42.000 We never indicated that was going to be the case.

00:02:44.000 What we said is that the ceasefire would be focused on Iran and the ceasefire would be focused on America's allies, both Israel and the Gulf Arab states.

00:02:53.000 It gets at something unusual, which is a lot of ceasefires really traditionally would be written and, you know, it would have clear provisions on what it covers.

00:03:02.000 It seems this one was more ad hoc, maybe more of a 90 minutes before.

00:03:07.000 90 minutes before, verbal deal, handshake deal, what have you.

00:03:11.000 That is a way President Trump often likes to do things, but you do see where there can be issues there because you come out of the deal and then everyone is immediately arguing about what deal was actually made.

00:03:21.000 Well, and to be fair, I mean, Hezbollah is.

00:03:24.000 Supposed to be a separate entity, but this sort of exposes that they are a proxy for the Iranian regime.

00:03:31.000 Okay.

00:03:32.000 So then the issue of the 10 point plan.

00:03:34.000 So getting more and more clarity, we saw this from Caroline Levitt yesterday during the press conference that this was the previously reported on 10 point plan is not the one that they're talking about.

00:03:45.000 I'm hearing people call BS on this a little bit that this is a matter of semantics, but the other people are pushing back in the admin saying that the 10 point plan that was.

00:03:54.000 Agreed to as a basis upon which to start negotiations was significantly different than the 10 point plan previously reported on.

00:04:04.000 Vice President Vance goes pretty hardcore on this point as well.

00:04:08.000 SOT 2.

00:04:09.000 There are three different 10 point proposals, at least, that I've seen floating around.

00:04:13.000 The first 10 point proposal was something that was submitted, and we think, frankly, was probably written by ChatGPT that was submitted to Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner.

00:04:21.000 That immediately went in the garbage and was rejected.

00:04:24.000 There was a second 10 point Proposal that was much more reasonable, that was based on some back and forth between us, between the Pakistanis, and the Palestinians.

00:04:32.000 That is the 10 point proposal that the president was referencing in his truth yesterday.

00:04:36.000 And then, frankly, I've seen a third 10 point proposal that's even more maximalist than the first 10 point proposal that's been floating around various social media channels.

00:04:45.000 Yep, and there seems to be a particular ire that the White House is pointing and directing to CNN, New York Times.

00:04:52.000 JD Vance continues on this theme, SAT 7.

00:04:56.000 Is that I've seen various organs, the New York Times, CNN, others, pick up and run the original 10 point proposal based on little more than a random Yahoo in Iran submitting it to public access television in the country of Iran, and then them saying that somehow represents the negotiating position of the government.

00:05:16.000 It's the equivalent of somebody in, let's say, a Democratic councilman in Boise, Idaho, saying something crazy, the local public access TV picking up that crazy statement.

00:05:28.000 And then the New York Times running that as the position of the President of the United States.

00:05:32.000 It doesn't make an ounce of sense.

00:05:35.000 So, where does that leave us?

00:05:36.000 I think it leaves us in a position where the Strait is currently not operating still.

00:05:41.000 The Strait of Hormuz is not closed.

00:05:43.000 And as we remember, as you might recall.

00:05:46.000 It is closed.

00:05:48.000 Yes, it is closed.

00:05:50.000 As you might recall, we have President Trump's expletive laced Truth Social saying open the.

00:05:56.000 That wasn't really laced.

00:05:57.000 It was just one.

00:05:57.000 It was just.

00:05:58.000 Yeah, well, fair enough.

00:05:59.000 Open the effing Strait.

00:06:01.000 Open the Strait.

00:06:02.000 And so that is not open yet.

00:06:03.000 And that was a key.

00:06:06.000 I guess, pillar of establishing this two week ceasefire.

00:06:10.000 So it's unclear what's going to happen.

00:06:12.000 It seems that momentum is racing towards Islamabad on Friday and Saturday this weekend.

00:06:18.000 President Trump has indicated that JD Vance, Steve Whitcroft, Jared Kushner are going to be leading those negotiations.

00:06:24.000 And it seems to be that the calculation is even though the straight has not been opened back up, you see a little bit of saber rattling on True Social from the president saying we're armed and ready.

00:06:34.000 Everybody's getting ready to go if we have to.

00:06:36.000 But They want to see if this peace proposal can play itself out and actually net some good results for the country.

00:06:44.000 So it looks like we're sort of ignoring the straight for the time being, at least for the next two days, it appears, until a peace negotiation is able to play itself out.

00:06:55.000 So we're going to see what happens, but fragile peace to say the least.

00:06:59.000 And it does not seem that the Iranian regime is buckling necessarily.

00:07:05.000 They're defiant.

00:07:09.000 I think.

00:07:10.000 A reason we got here is we attempted to do regime change and it didn't succeed.

00:07:14.000 Let's be frank.

00:07:16.000 We turned over the top of the Iranian regime.

00:07:20.000 But yeah, the IRGC, the regime is still in power, still entrenched in that country, still running things.

00:07:25.000 It's very clear.

00:07:27.000 So we're going to see how this plays out.

00:07:29.000 This is the Trump truth.

00:07:30.000 It says all U.S. ships, aircraft, and military personnel with additional ammunition, weaponry, and anything else that is appropriate and necessary for the lethal prosecution and destruction of an already substantially degraded enemy.

00:07:42.000 Will remain in place in and around Iran until such time as the real agreement, all caps noted, reached is fully complied with.

00:07:52.000 If for any reason it is not, which is highly unlikely, then the shooting starts.

00:07:58.000 Bigger and better and stronger than any other reason.

00:08:00.000 I think the last time he said the shooting starts was Floydapalooza.

00:08:04.000 Remember he said the looting starts, the shooting starts.

00:08:06.000 Oh, is that right?

00:08:07.000 Yes, he did.

00:08:08.000 It's a phrase of his.

00:08:09.000 It's a good recall.

00:08:10.000 It was agreed a long time ago, and despite all the fake rhetoric to the contrary, No nuclear weapons and the Strait of Hormuz will be open and safe.

00:08:18.000 In the meantime, our great military is loading up and resting, looking forward actually to its next conquest.

00:08:24.000 Conquest is quite the word there.

00:08:26.000 I'm not sure if he's referencing Cuba or some other situation or around itself.

00:08:34.000 So, lots of moving pieces.

00:08:37.000 As they say, it's a complex situation.

00:08:39.000 Here's where I'm at.

00:08:41.000 I agree actually in letting the peace talks go forward.

00:08:46.000 I think we need to declare victory, get out.

00:08:49.000 Even if it's a fragile peace, that's fine.

00:08:52.000 In the first moments of this ceasefire, it's always a fragile peace.

00:08:56.000 So let's move forward, put our good faith effort forward, and see if we can get in and get out.

00:09:03.000 And let's focus on nation building back here at home.

00:09:06.000 So even if it's not perfect, as long as you get the nukes, you can declare victory.

00:09:10.000 You can say, hey, we came, we saw, we.

00:09:13.000 Took care of their military industrial base, took care of their missiles, took care of all that, and we got the nukes.

00:09:20.000 Yeah, it's not perfect.

00:09:21.000 Yeah, there's some questions about the straight.

00:09:23.000 But America, I'm telling you, we need to focus back on domestics if we're going to have any hope in the midterms and in 2028, which we do.

00:09:34.000 We do have hope.

00:09:35.000 So we got to focus on the positive there.

00:09:37.000 All right, we have to get to this story because it's going massively viral, first of all, but it's infuriating.

00:09:44.000 And that's why it's going viral.

00:09:45.000 And that, of course, is the story of DeCarlos Brown Jr., who is the crazed madman who butchered Irina Zarutska last summer on a train.

00:09:54.000 And, of course, everybody's seen the videos.

00:09:57.000 Irina Zarutska was a Ukrainian refugee from the war who moved to North Carolina.

00:10:04.000 She's on her way, I think, to her job or coming home from her job at a pizza parlor.

00:10:09.000 And DeCarlos Brown gets up out of his seat, takes out a knife, and butchers her.

00:10:15.000 And it's just the most heart wrenching video you have ever seen.

00:10:19.000 I think it shocked the nation.

00:10:21.000 It shocked our conscience just to see this brutal slang in public for no reason at all, other than the fact that this man had been left out onto the streets after multiple, multiple violent criminal crimes.

00:10:38.000 14 prior crimes.

00:10:39.000 Prior crimes.

00:10:39.000 And so, yeah, and then what the specific update going on here is this broke yesterday.

00:10:45.000 It's been unfolding for a little while, it looks like.

00:10:47.000 The New York Post.

00:10:49.000 Reports that they had that while this guy's in the hospital, they did a competency assessment, and apparently the hospital officials there, the doctors, found that he is not competent to stand trial.

00:11:00.000 Now, uh, we should clarify that's not the same thing as an insanity plea.

00:11:04.000 This is that if you're going to be placed on a criminal trial, you do have to be aware of what is going on.

00:11:09.000 You can't put someone, for example, who's in a coma on trial.

00:11:13.000 You can't put someone who, for example, if you have a bad Alzheimer's, you can't really go on trial if you have too much dementia to go.

00:11:20.000 So that's what they're apparently finding here.

00:11:22.000 This guy.

00:11:23.000 Is not aware enough, not competent enough to go on trial.

00:11:26.000 Now, there has not been a judicial ruling on this yet.

00:11:30.000 And this is actually where we're getting helped out because of the 2024 election, because of who we have in office right now.

00:11:37.000 The federal government did also federally charge DeCarlos with murder.

00:11:43.000 And they've already put out a statement pointing out they are not subject to whatever North Carolina is doing here.

00:11:48.000 And they're ready to proceed with their case.

00:11:51.000 So, so far, there has not been a judicial ruling that he's incompetent.

00:11:54.000 Because he's actually not in state custody.

00:11:56.000 So small mercies.

00:11:57.000 Well, Brown's lawyers are now asking the court to push back a scheduled April 30th hearing for another six months.

00:12:06.000 A significant delay.

00:12:07.000 I don't know what it is about these defense attorneys, but they tend to ask for six month delays in trials.

00:12:13.000 We're seeing that in the Charlie case all over.

00:12:15.000 We're seeing it all over.

00:12:17.000 And it's a thing that does genuinely cry out for reform because this is what frustrates America so much.

00:12:22.000 There is that line justice delayed is justice denied.

00:12:25.000 And it gets at a truth, which is when people can't see the process playing out in a brisk way before them, they lose trust in the system and it increases the amount of ways that.

00:12:37.000 Bad stuff can come in.

00:12:38.000 So, with these competency hearings, for example, I had Danny check the number of competency assessments that are conducted by courts has basically doubled since the early 90s.

00:12:48.000 There are about 120,000 per year now.

00:12:51.000 And it's not that we specifically want to put people who have dementia or whatever on trial, it's that this has become just a toolkit, a tool in the big toolkit to keep these people from being accountable.

00:13:02.000 So, when you have these guys who are extremely unwell and just constantly attacking people, Well, this time, oh, he's not competent to stand trial.

00:13:10.000 We had to drop the charges and, you know, don't have that many seats in these mental asylums, so let him go again.

00:13:16.000 Or we let them do insanity, please.

00:13:18.000 And then we say they've been rehabilitated enough and they're let go again.

00:13:22.000 We see that happen.

00:13:23.000 Just endless excuses, endless means for people who fundamentally they just hate civilization.

00:13:30.000 They like criminals and they want criminals back on the street.

00:13:33.000 Yeah.

00:13:33.000 Well, and if you're noticing a theme, there's another story that is grabbing headlines, and that's out of Fort Myers, Florida.

00:13:41.000 There was a bludgeoning murder that was caught on surveillance footage, and it is excruciating to watch.

00:13:49.000 I believe we have a censored version of this video, but it was a Haitian illegal who was caught and released at the border by the Biden admin in 2022.

00:14:00.000 An immigration judge ordered Rolbert Joaquim deported from the U.S. later that same year, but DHS, under the leadership of Alejandro Mayorkas and Joe Biden, Shielded him from deportation by granting him temporary protected status, which expired in 2024.

00:14:21.000 Same thing.

00:14:21.000 There's actually a perfect overlap here with what we said.

00:14:24.000 These competency hearings are a way for criminals to escape justice.

00:14:27.000 Temporary protected status created by Congress in its wisdom decades ago for situations like, oh, well, you don't deport someone if they're flying into the middle of a hurricane or something.

00:14:38.000 And now it's Haiti's had temporary protected status for the people who come here illegally from there.

00:14:44.000 For literally over a decade at this point.

00:14:45.000 I think they brought it when they had that earthquake in 2010.

00:14:48.000 It's not temporary.

00:14:49.000 It's just a tool because there are people who want everyone in the world to be able to come to America and they want to make it so even murderers like this guy are able to stay here.

00:14:59.000 They are fundamentally, that's the footage of what happened there, just an animal.

00:15:03.000 This person should be put down.

00:15:05.000 But we're going to end up spending tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of dollars so this guy can get a free criminal justice defense.

00:15:13.000 He might not even get life in prison and he might not even get deported if.

00:15:16.000 They failed to give him life in prison and then they let him out afterwards.

00:15:20.000 Yeah.

00:15:20.000 And, you know, it's just an absolute brutal killing.

00:15:24.000 If you could play that again, and again, it's censored, please forgive us, but he walks right up to this gas station clerk or whatever.

00:15:32.000 He was smashing up a car and she comes out to confront him.

00:15:35.000 He walks right at her and with full strength, he bludgeons her in the head with the hammer.

00:15:40.000 She falls down, obviously unconscious.

00:15:42.000 And then he strikes her six more times.

00:15:47.000 Six more times to the head.

00:15:48.000 He's now in local custody, and ISIS placed a detainer on him.

00:15:53.000 They have issued a statement said this illegal alien barbarically hit this woman in the head multiple times with a hammer.

00:15:58.000 This heinous murderer was released into the country by the Biden administration.

00:16:03.000 This is a choice.

00:16:05.000 This is a choice.

00:16:06.000 Within living memory, this country was capable of having that person executed within two months.

00:16:11.000 This is a choice to not have that happen.

00:16:14.000 It's also a reminder that, as frustrated as you might be, we can't let what happened those last four years happen again.

00:16:24.000 I just watched A Great Awakening.

00:16:26.000 And I have to tell you, this isn't just another historical drama.

00:16:29.000 It's a wake up call that you all need to pay attention to.

00:16:33.000 We spend so much time talking about 1776 and constitutions and congresses and declarations, but this film reminds you of something even deeper.

00:16:42.000 Before the revolution, there was revelation.

00:16:44.000 George Whitefield wasn't a politician, he was a preacher.

00:16:47.000 And yet, watching this film, you see how his fearless proclamation of liberty in Christ shook the colonies to their core.

00:16:55.000 It unified people who had nothing else uniting them.

00:16:58.000 And that is power.

00:16:59.000 What really struck me was the portrayal of Benjamin Franklin.

00:17:03.000 He's this brilliant, rational mind, and yet he's drawn into genuine friendship with Whitfield.

00:17:08.000 Not because he suddenly becomes someone else, but because he begins to see freedom isn't structural, it's spiritual.

00:17:16.000 The film makes one thing clear.

00:17:17.000 You cannot sustain political liberty without moral and spiritual awakening.

00:17:21.000 In theaters, April 3rd, visit a great awakening.com to learn more today.

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00:17:33.000 Congressman Brandon Gill from the great state of Texas joins us now.

00:17:36.000 Welcome back, Congressman.

00:17:38.000 And thanks for having me.

00:17:39.000 It's always good to be here.

00:17:40.000 Well, it's great to have you.

00:17:41.000 You have been out front, you have been sparring with Congresswoman Salazar out of Miami.

00:17:49.000 About the Dignidad Act.

00:17:52.000 Gotta say it right every time.

00:17:53.000 They're trying to run this Dignity Act scam on us.

00:17:57.000 Brandon, I am told that you need to read the bill before you open your mouth, before you call it amnesty.

00:18:05.000 I saw a tweet of something to that effect.

00:18:08.000 Is this an amnesty bill or is it not?

00:18:10.000 Are you being hyperbolic?

00:18:12.000 No, this is an amnesty bill, plain and simple.

00:18:15.000 Just ask yourself what does the bill do?

00:18:17.000 The day this bill, if this bill is enacted, the day it's enacted, what happens?

00:18:21.000 12 million, roughly 12 million illegal aliens who are in the country are given legal status.

00:18:27.000 If that's not amnesty, I don't know what is.

00:18:30.000 And you can use whatever kind of vague generalizations or semantic obfuscation you want, but that's amnesty.

00:18:38.000 And that's exactly what the American people do not want.

00:18:42.000 That's why they gave Republicans a trifecta.

00:18:44.000 It's why President Trump got the popular vote last election.

00:18:48.000 So, for us to do this, which we're not, by the way, I'm going to make sure that we don't, but if we went down this road, it would constitute the biggest political betrayal of the American people in history.

00:19:01.000 I think it would rip apart the Republican Party, and candidly, that we would deserve to see our party ripped apart if we went forward with this bill.

00:19:09.000 You know what's so frustrating as well, Brandon?

00:19:12.000 It's like, okay, we've got this, you know, conflict in Iran that's happening.

00:19:17.000 Our eyes are directed over there as we're trying to get a ceasefire.

00:19:22.000 I think everybody wants us to focus back domestically.

00:19:24.000 We take our eye off the ball for one second, one second.

00:19:29.000 Instead of passing the Save America Act, instead of getting any of these reforms done domestically, a bunch of rhinos go and, you know, link arms with a bunch of Democrats and try and shove amnesty down our throats.

00:19:42.000 And I'm going to have a guest next hour that's going to talk about some of this, what's going on behind the scenes, who's pushing this.

00:19:47.000 But there's big ag, there's big hospitality.

00:19:50.000 It's like all the usual players trying to push this through.

00:19:53.000 And you got to ask yourself, like, why don't we get what we want?

00:19:58.000 Instead, they're trying to give us stuff we didn't want, we didn't ask for, we didn't vote for.

00:20:02.000 Why is it so powerful?

00:20:04.000 Why are these lobbies so powerful to push this unpopular garbage down our throats where we're thinking about Iran?

00:20:11.000 Well, that's the question.

00:20:12.000 And you know what's.

00:20:14.000 Really insane about this, I think, is you know, if you go back to 2015, President Trump comes on the scene, you know, he starts talking about we ought to build a wall.

00:20:23.000 And so many people in the political establishment, all on the left and some on the right, said that he was a racist, that's not the America I love, and completely denounced him.

00:20:34.000 But the American people heard that message and it entirely resonated with them.

00:20:39.000 They said, you know what, I actually do want politicians in Washington who are going to stand up for us, who are going to secure the border.

00:20:45.000 And deport illegal aliens so that I can have my country back.

00:20:49.000 And now we, you know, that was over 10 years ago.

00:20:52.000 We ought to listen to that.

00:20:54.000 Whenever voters give us a mandate, we ought to actually follow through and do what we said we were going to do on the campaign trail.

00:21:01.000 But of course, these big agribusiness or other lobbyists don't like that.

00:21:07.000 And it's really simple.

00:21:08.000 They obviously want cheap labor, they want amnesty, they want illegal aliens in the country because for them, that's bigger profit margins.

00:21:16.000 Whenever you suppress American wages, or whenever you're able to replace more expensive American workers with cheaper illegal aliens or other foreigners, that increases their profit margin.

00:21:27.000 I mean, it's really, really simple for them.

00:21:29.000 But going back to the Dignity Act here, it's not just the 12 million illegal aliens who are given amnesty immediately.

00:21:39.000 This act would allow illegal aliens who have previously been deported to be brought back into the country and be given legal status.

00:21:49.000 On top of that, it effectively stops the president from deporting anybody out of the country because whenever an illegal alien is apprehended, all they have to do is say, I've been in the US for longer than five years.

00:22:00.000 Boom, they can't be deported for at least two years.

00:22:03.000 I mean, this is a mass migration bill.

00:22:05.000 It is exactly what the American people rejected.

00:22:08.000 Yeah, bingo.

00:22:09.000 I think that's, I mean, this is the same point Charlie made when we caught wind of this last year is that you basically, I mean, the record keeping is garbage, right?

00:22:17.000 On when some of these people came over.

00:22:19.000 All they have to do is say, oh, I actually came, you know, before a certain date and we can't prove it.

00:22:24.000 And then they get rubber stamped amnesty.

00:22:27.000 And so I think it's garbage.

00:22:29.000 I want to play a clip for you and get your reaction.

00:22:31.000 This was actually last night.

00:22:33.000 Laura Ingram, I think, did a phenomenal job cross examining Mike Lawler from New York.

00:22:37.000 He's a Republican.

00:22:39.000 You know, they are friends.

00:22:41.000 Laura Ingram and Mike Lawler are friends.

00:22:42.000 I think that's noteworthy because she didn't hold back even though they're friends.

00:22:46.000 Okay, let's play SOT 13.

00:22:48.000 I don't know what shadows you're looking at, but they're not in the shadows.

00:22:52.000 They're working in restaurants.

00:22:54.000 Some are.

00:22:55.000 Others are engaged in fraud in California.

00:22:59.000 But this idea that they're not being given amnesty.

00:23:03.000 They're not already given amnesty.

00:23:04.000 Why do you come on television and say that?

00:23:06.000 Criminal aliens 100% should be removed from this country, period.

00:23:11.000 And the bill provides for that.

00:23:13.000 I don't want anyone getting a waiver.

00:23:15.000 I don't want anyone getting a free pass.

00:23:18.000 It's in the legislation.

00:23:19.000 If you have committed a crime, it's very clear.

00:23:22.000 It's a simple question.

00:23:23.000 Please tell my audience how does an immigration officer determine continuous presence?

00:23:31.000 If they cannot prove continuous presence, they wouldn't qualify for this.

00:23:34.000 I can't imagine Democrat immigration officers under a Democrat.

00:23:38.000 president in the future was going to hold the strict, you know, we're not going to let any criminals in.

00:23:42.000 Man, she went for it.

00:23:45.000 But even with the continuous presence, I believe there's parts of this bill that literally will allow people who were previously deported to return, correct?

00:23:53.000 That's what he said.

00:23:54.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:23:55.000 Yeah, your reaction to that clip.

00:23:57.000 Yeah, you know, Mike Lawler is a friend of mine.

00:24:00.000 So is Maria Salazar, by the way.

00:24:02.000 They're friends and their colleagues.

00:24:03.000 They're just wrong on this.

00:24:06.000 And I'm glad to see that the reality of this bill is being made more and more clear to the American people because you hear language.

00:24:15.000 I hear people saying things like the current state of affairs is amnesty because these people are living in the shadows and nothing is happening.

00:24:23.000 That is just blatantly not true.

00:24:26.000 The current state of affairs is that if you're an illegal alien in the United States, you are subject to deportation.

00:24:31.000 And if you're caught, you're going to be deported out of the country.

00:24:35.000 What this bill does is stop those deportations from happening.

00:24:39.000 So, this is by any standard an amnesty bill.

00:24:42.000 We have to be straightforward about this, have to be straightforward about the fact that.

00:24:46.000 This bill does not have any serious vetting requirements.

00:24:49.000 This bill does not ensure that criminal illegal aliens are taken out of the country or that we can actually ensure the people who are given amnesty should be in our country.

00:24:58.000 There's no practical way to vet 12 million people in a short period of time.

00:25:03.000 So none of that stuff is true.

00:25:06.000 But we know that on the surface, anything that is amnesty, we ought to stay away from.

00:25:12.000 At the end of the day, it's really that simple.

00:25:14.000 Well, I want to give you an example of why some of this.

00:25:17.000 Anytime we give an inch, they're going to take a mile and it's going to screw us up.

00:25:21.000 And so here's a Salvadorian MS 13 terrorist, and he's an international fugitive.

00:25:27.000 This is according to the U.S. Customs, Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

00:25:31.000 Danny Granados Garcia.

00:25:33.000 He's wanted in his home country for murdering a pastor, allegedly.

00:25:39.000 This guy is an example of we wouldn't deport him because he doesn't have a rap sheet in this country.

00:25:45.000 We don't know when he necessarily got here, but he's wanted for murder in his home country, right?

00:25:52.000 So, this is the semantics.

00:25:54.000 Anytime you give these little carve outs, what are we supposed to do with this?

00:25:59.000 No, you've got to give ICE and Customs and Border Patrol full leeway to get them all out.

00:26:05.000 You're all on the board.

00:26:06.000 If you are an illegal here, we're going to get you out.

00:26:08.000 This guy's a murderer.

00:26:10.000 In his home country, but he hasn't committed a crime here.

00:26:13.000 And this is the types of people that they want us to just ignore out of some misplaced sense of compassion.

00:26:18.000 Meanwhile, you know, excuse me, meanwhile, we're seeing Haitians in Florida, you know, just bludgeon gas station clerks.

00:26:27.000 This is none of this should be happening if we had the will to do it.

00:26:32.000 And, Congressman, I think you are one of the few that has just the sane, consistent, drumbeat voice on this stuff.

00:26:39.000 And it's so important that you're out front doing this.

00:26:42.000 So, final, final, uh, 45 seconds to you on this issue.

00:26:47.000 I appreciate that.

00:26:48.000 There's nothing compassionate about open borders and there's nothing dignified about giving illegal aliens amnesty.

00:26:55.000 The people whose dignity we should be concerned about are the American citizens whose jobs are being taken, whose wages are being suppressed, whose communities are being transformed, whose children's schools are now flooded with fentanyl, who are trying to take their kids to soccer practice and are seeing illegal aliens driving 18 wheelers on their streets that are now more dangerous.

00:27:16.000 Those are the people that we should be looking out for.

00:27:19.000 Those are people, by the way, that we as elected representatives whose interests we actually represent, not illegal aliens.

00:27:26.000 There's nothing compassionate about open borders.

00:27:28.000 There's nothing compassionate about amnesty.

00:27:31.000 And we ought to return to first principles about who we represent, and that's the American citizen.

00:27:36.000 It's not, it's not, no, not only is it not compassionate, it's cruelty to Americans.

00:27:42.000 Yep.

00:27:42.000 Congressman, well done on this.

00:27:44.000 Keep charging.

00:27:45.000 You know, I don't want to cause you any problems.

00:27:48.000 But I could see a Senate run in your future one day.

00:27:50.000 I don't want to cause any problems.

00:27:52.000 I know it gets very territorial down there.

00:27:54.000 I'm just saying, you know, I would be enthusiastic.

00:27:57.000 Let's kill this amnesty bill before we think about anything else.

00:28:00.000 All right.

00:28:00.000 I don't want to cause you problems, brother.

00:28:02.000 All right.

00:28:02.000 Brandon Gill from Texas' 26th congressional district.

00:28:05.000 Thank you, sir.

00:28:06.000 Keep up the good work.

00:28:08.000 Thanks for having me.

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00:30:01.000 All right.

00:30:01.000 We have another country we got to turn our attention to, however.

00:30:05.000 And there is a new acronym that is apparently going around.

00:30:09.000 Hold on.

00:30:10.000 It is MM.

00:30:12.000 No, hold on.

00:30:13.000 Hold on.

00:30:13.000 Don't say it.

00:30:14.000 We have to let them play the clip.

00:30:15.000 There's like 48 letters in this.

00:30:16.000 We have to let them play the clip and then we have to react.

00:30:19.000 We love making fun of CNN.

00:30:20.000 It's a pastime, right?

00:30:21.000 Where is it here?

00:30:23.000 It's SOT 11.

00:30:25.000 When the budget was released, I was shocked to find out that Prime Minister Carney is cutting $7 billion between Indigenous Services Canada and Crown Indigenous Relations.

00:30:37.000 They provided zero dollars to deal with the ongoing genocide of MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA.

00:30:47.000 This is abhorrent.

00:30:48.000 This is callous.

00:30:49.000 Rates of violence are increasing.

00:30:51.000 And what is the prime minister doing?

00:30:54.000 He is turning a blind eye on this violence.

00:30:58.000 The best part was how smoothly it came out.

00:31:01.000 Zero stuttering.

00:31:02.000 That is a person who uses that term all the time.

00:31:06.000 Can I read what it means?

00:31:10.000 You know what's embarrassing?

00:31:11.000 You don't need to read what it means because I know what it means just from hearing it.

00:31:14.000 Right.

00:31:15.000 But here's what it actually means.

00:31:16.000 No, but I know what it means.

00:31:18.000 I can recite it.

00:31:19.000 I need to, like, Prove myself here.

00:31:21.000 All right.

00:31:22.000 So he has not looked this up.

00:31:23.000 He's going to just.

00:31:24.000 So going off memory.

00:31:24.000 So it starts with M M I W G.

00:31:28.000 So that all, what's weird is it's the gay acronym, but it's actually like, how to put this?

00:31:36.000 It's not actually gay stuff.

00:31:37.000 It's missing and murdered indigenous women and girls.

00:31:40.000 Yep.

00:31:41.000 And so this is a whole thing in Canada where they've made a big cause that First Nations, Inuit, Native Americans basically, but in Canada, they're more likely to be missing and they're more likely to be murdered.

00:31:53.000 The reason for this is.

00:31:54.000 They are in relationships with First Nations and Inuit men, and they commit more domestic violence per capita, more murders per capita.

00:32:03.000 Unfortunately, it's a community with a lot of problems, similar to what you'd see in the United States.

00:32:07.000 And so that's why.

00:32:08.000 But in Canada, you're required by law to also punish people less for crimes if they're First Nations or Black, for example.

00:32:16.000 So they're literally more likely to be victimized because of the laws Canada has.

00:32:20.000 Like that is what is going on here.

00:32:22.000 So they go from there.

00:32:23.000 Then they have 2S, that means two spirit.

00:32:25.000 This is a made up.

00:32:26.000 Thing from about 1990 91 and it just made it where they just made it up, or it's basically you're an Indian, a First Nations person, and also gay that is what it is.

00:32:35.000 They just made up a new category for being gay, but then if you're in that group, then you should know LGBT, lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans.

00:32:43.000 Then QQ, that is queer and questioning.

00:32:48.000 So queer is sort of gay, but catch all lots of different things.

00:32:51.000 Questioning, you're not sure.

00:32:52.000 I did they have I in there, yes, and that's intersex, and then A, and then A is allies, and then you still got to have plus.

00:33:00.000 Because this is not all consuming.

00:33:03.000 We might add new letters to it later.

00:33:06.000 So, that is the full explanation of that acronym.

00:33:09.000 I spent time in a university where I had to learn all of those things.

00:33:11.000 It's amazing.

00:33:12.000 So, apparently, murdered is now a queer identity, which is, you know, why not?

00:33:18.000 I mean, we should just throw in every other intersectional group that we can in this.

00:33:23.000 Can we play the clip one more time?

00:33:24.000 I just want to hear her that smooth.

00:33:26.000 Just cut it out.

00:33:27.000 Cut it off after that.

00:33:28.000 Yeah.

00:33:29.000 Play the side again.

00:33:31.000 When the budget was released, I was shocked to find out that Prime Minister Carney is cutting $7 billion between Indigenous Services Canada and Crown Indigenous Relations.

00:33:43.000 They provided zero dollars to deal with the ongoing genocide of MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA.

00:33:56.000 It's incredible.

00:33:56.000 I mean, that's commitment.

00:33:59.000 Ruthless.

00:33:59.000 Just, oh, crushes it.

00:34:01.000 Okay.

00:34:02.000 So proud of her.

00:34:02.000 So, not only can Canada not beat us in hockey, the one sport they're supposed to, and they, by the way, they also lost the World Series to the Dodgers, which I'm still happy about.

00:34:14.000 He's very happy about it.

00:34:15.000 They are suiciding themselves on purpose, and they have government funds for that.

00:34:21.000 But now they are upset that MMIW G2 SL.

00:34:27.000 He's not doing it.

00:34:29.000 GBTQQIA funding has been cut by Carney.

00:34:34.000 MMIWG2SLGBTQQQIA.

00:34:39.000 I think I got an extra Q in there, unfortunately.

00:34:42.000 QQQQQ.

00:34:43.000 What are your thoughts?

00:34:44.000 Send us your thoughts about Canada.

00:34:46.000 Are you glad if you're from Canada?

00:34:47.000 Especially if you're from Canada.

00:34:48.000 What's it like?

00:34:50.000 It's easy to joke about this, but to be serious for a moment, Canada is this road not taken where they've kind of kept down the 2020, Vibe, the Obama vibe, like maximally live on everything.

00:35:04.000 So, stuff that is at least contested here in the US, full bore in Canada.

00:35:08.000 So, they have maximum assisted suicide.

00:35:10.000 They have state mandated discrimination in criminal punishments.

00:35:14.000 They allow you to discriminate based on race and sex for a job.

00:35:18.000 I saw that at one of their universities, they're hiring for a forestry professor, but the person being hired has to be disabled.

00:35:24.000 You must be a disabled person or identify as a disabled person.

00:35:27.000 Yeah, well, that's what I was going to say.

00:35:29.000 I actually was talking to a gentleman.

00:35:31.000 So, it's like 2024 never happened in Canada.

00:35:34.000 But I was talking to a gentleman that was, you know, we're talking about all the fracturing that's going on and the movement and the coalition.

00:35:41.000 He just was like, you know what?

00:35:42.000 These are the golden years.

00:35:44.000 I'm telling you, this is the golden age.

00:35:45.000 I was like, why is that?

00:35:46.000 He said, well, listen, my company, I almost got delisted from one of the stock exchanges because I didn't have a gay man or a woman on my board.

00:35:56.000 And who said that this gentleman on his board was like, listen, if I need to identify as a gay, black, 80 year old man, I'm going to do that.

00:36:07.000 But none of that exists anymore.

00:36:09.000 This was years ago now, and we've overcome a lot of the woke garbage, and companies are actually able to just be a company that's focused on making money.

00:36:18.000 They don't have to have disabled, queer, black, lesbians, or whatever on their board just to satisfy some quota requirement.

00:36:26.000 This is absolutely forward progress.

00:36:29.000 And I want to show you guys one other thing because I think we don't pay attention enough to all the wins.

00:36:35.000 If you're frustrated with some of the president's decisions, whether that's Iran or something else, Just remember how much worse this actually could be right now.

00:36:43.000 We have this graphic.

00:36:45.000 It is the graphic about asylum claims.

00:36:49.000 So, this was a breaking news story that happened.

00:36:52.000 Asylum grants, grant rates have plummeted.

00:36:55.000 Average monthly rate for decided asylum cases is down to 7%.

00:37:00.000 Now, if you compare and contrast that to those spikes during Biden and Obama, we have made massive problems or progress.

00:37:09.000 You know why?

00:37:10.000 Because the asylum system is rife with fraud.

00:37:13.000 People claim.

00:37:14.000 Anything they want.

00:37:15.000 If you can claim it, the Democrat logic, if you can claim that you are a queer, MM, LGBTQ, YA, whatever, without anybody questioning it or being allowed to question it, well, you can claim asylum and nobody's allowed to question it.

00:37:28.000 Those days are over.

00:37:29.000 It's down to 7%, and we should celebrate that.

00:37:32.000 Hallelujah.

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00:38:51.000 We have Rich Barris on the line.

00:38:54.000 Rich, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:38:57.000 It's good to see you, my friend.

00:38:58.000 You as well, guys.

00:38:59.000 Thanks for having me.

00:39:00.000 It's great to be here.

00:39:00.000 Yeah, man, listen, I am told, I'm credibly told, Rich.

00:39:07.000 That we're not allowed to say mass deportations anymore.

00:39:10.000 It's out.

00:39:12.000 It's what's in.

00:39:13.000 Mass deportations is out.

00:39:15.000 Dignidad is in.

00:39:17.000 Amnesty is in.

00:39:19.000 Worst of the worst.

00:39:20.000 Worst of the worst.

00:39:21.000 You know, so, okay.

00:39:22.000 What am I missing here?

00:39:25.000 I'll give the audience a little precursor.

00:39:30.000 We've been texting, and you told me there's quite the little backstory here.

00:39:34.000 So the floor is yours, Rich.

00:39:36.000 Tell us what you know.

00:39:37.000 Indeed.

00:39:38.000 So, there isn't this, isn't new, right?

00:39:40.000 Amnesty is never dead.

00:39:41.000 And I think the right knows that.

00:39:43.000 The Republican base voters know that.

00:39:45.000 Amnesty is never dead.

00:39:47.000 Amnesty is always right around the corner, and you always have to guard against it because a lot of Republican donors want amnesty, right?

00:39:54.000 And I argued when we saw these protests going on against ICE, you're not going to see any investigations into who organizes these protests because I think you'd be a little bit surprised by some of the people that are okay with them.

00:40:05.000 And this is a backstory, all right?

00:40:07.000 So, I just wanted to say that as a preface, Andrew.

00:40:09.000 But look, Last year, right, just to dive right into this, last year, I, along with some other pollsters that are considered credible by MAGA, were asked to collaborate on a project that was sold initially as a way that if there could be a grand bargain, what are the deal breakers with MAGA voters and what would you have to do?

00:40:34.000 And this included everything you just said and went over.

00:40:36.000 You can't use words like that with MAGA, right?

00:40:39.000 You know that.

00:40:40.000 So, how could it be sold, et cetera, et cetera?

00:40:43.000 I didn't even want to sign on to it, Andrew, unless I was given an explicit promise, whatever you want to call it, that this will not be misrepresented to the president without my presence, right?

00:40:58.000 And that's what I was concerned would happen to the product.

00:41:02.000 We did a huge national study.

00:41:06.000 We did, I want to say, it had to be at least a dozen states, at least.

00:41:11.000 I actually think it was more like 16.

00:41:12.000 I think you said 18 to me.

00:41:14.000 Yeah, it may have been.

00:41:14.000 Originally.

00:41:15.000 I'm not sure how many some of the others had.

00:41:19.000 It is at least 16, just judging from what I know people did.

00:41:24.000 And then focus groups, of course.

00:41:26.000 And we did this in not just battleground states, it had to be more.

00:41:29.000 You're right.

00:41:30.000 It was battleground adjacent.

00:41:31.000 One of them was in Maine, for crying out loud, right?

00:41:34.000 Because why?

00:41:34.000 We were concerned about the second congressional district.

00:41:36.000 Donald Trump performs there in a way that other Republicans do not because of Donald Trump's base, his coalition, which is not the Republican coalition.

00:41:45.000 They're two totally different things.

00:41:48.000 And unfortunately, this is what people should know.

00:41:50.000 I mean, unfortunately, that's what the donors who paid, you know, the donor who paid for the project really wanted, which is why I didn't want to sign on to it without getting that guarantee.

00:42:01.000 I got that guarantee.

00:42:03.000 I warned the vice president that they would probably try to go behind my back and sell it to him without completely misinterpreting what it said, completely misreading the data, or honestly, let's be real, intentionally obfuscating what it said.

00:42:17.000 And the report that we gave was filled with caveats, filled with nuances.

00:42:22.000 And to make a very long story short, that's exactly what they did.

00:42:26.000 So they wanted the names, they wanted the credibility, and they wanted the stamps of all the guys like me who polled well in the Trump era and know the MAGA coalition.

00:42:34.000 But they did not want guys like me, and not just me, but others who are more reliable to tell the truth, to convey to the president what it actually meant.

00:42:45.000 So they waltzed in there and tried to sell it to him.

00:42:48.000 And this is where we are now.

00:42:51.000 To sum it up, you're saying that there was a moneyed individual.

00:42:55.000 That basically wanted a result.

00:42:58.000 And when you didn't deliver the results, because actually mass deportations are more popular than, I guess, this individual wanted them to be, or at least there was nuance in the way the polling was actually the results you got, you then got cut out of the process, is essentially.

00:43:17.000 100%.

00:43:18.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:43:19.000 Despite having a guarantee.

00:43:21.000 This is why you need to be very suspicious about polling, friends out in the audience.

00:43:25.000 So, okay, you sent me a list of three things that.

00:43:28.000 you thought that the polling actually revealed.

00:43:32.000 And one of them has to do with masks.

00:43:34.000 One of them is with the FBI and what constitutes crimes that will get you punished if you get in the way of ICE officers.

00:43:40.000 Okay, so why don't you walk us through your three points?

00:43:43.000 So we, and it's important to know how early this was, we identified before it became, you know, social media sensation, before big media started to run with this.

00:43:51.000 Yeah, you had left wing media talking about ICE and using, they at that time had the ICE narrative basically all to themselves.

00:43:59.000 We were wrapped up and very busy with other things like Operation Midnight Hammer.

00:44:03.000 I mean, that's how long ago this was when they started this.

00:44:06.000 Yeah.

00:44:07.000 And we basically warned them that, look, ICE is having an image issue.

00:44:12.000 So there are a couple of things you have to do to address it because you can't cave on mass deportations.

00:44:17.000 If you do, your base is going to be pissed.

00:44:19.000 And by the way, there's no reason to because the public still supports it.

00:44:23.000 One of them, and, you know, Blake and I talked about this before on the show masks.

00:44:27.000 It was a big deal.

00:44:29.000 They were toxic at that point.

00:44:30.000 And when you look at, you know, how people were getting doxxed in the first place, it really wasn't.

00:44:36.000 Required to keep these masks on.

00:44:38.000 Either way, it didn't matter.

00:44:39.000 We lost the public debate so badly, there was no coming back from it.

00:44:43.000 We had to get rid of the masks.

00:44:45.000 Second is that they did not view ICE as professional, as like the FBI, even the DEA for that matter.

00:44:51.000 And they wanted the FBI to come in and have control over the resting environment.

00:44:56.000 This way, we didn't have these incidents that we kept having, which ultimately blew up into shootings, right?

00:45:01.000 Later.

00:45:02.000 Minneapolis.

00:45:03.000 Exactly.

00:45:04.000 That's right.

00:45:05.000 And the third thing was a confusion over what constitutes.

00:45:08.000 These crimes because we were talking to, and this wasn't quite core based MAGA, but you know, Trump coalition voters saying, You know, we're not sure what constitutes a crime that will end you up on this list.

00:45:21.000 And while we do support mass deportations, we would rather see the really bad people go.

00:45:26.000 And they weren't even saying that the Trump administration wasn't doing it.

00:45:30.000 What they were saying was that there was just no information available.

00:45:32.000 You have MSNBC constantly running stories about how this one didn't pay a parking ticket, so they ripped the baby out of her hand and threw her into a cage and sent her on her way.

00:45:42.000 They wanted this laid out like, no, this is what we do.

00:45:45.000 This is what, you know, this is the priority list of crimes.

00:45:48.000 Those three things, simply alone, Andrew, would have gone a very long way in avoiding what essentially was a political catastrophe.

00:45:58.000 And it ended up that way because by the time we were done, this was a long term project.

00:46:02.000 By the time we were done, ICE was less popular than the FBI.

00:46:06.000 There were more people who wanted to abolish ICE than who wanted to abolish the FBI.

00:46:11.000 And it was stunning to me.

00:46:12.000 Nobody listened.

00:46:13.000 Nobody wanted to hear it because it dawned on me the donors don't care.

00:46:17.000 The donors want amnesty.

00:46:18.000 So they don't care if ICE gets defunded.

00:46:21.000 That's the truth.

00:46:22.000 And that is the hard, terrible truth.

00:46:25.000 And meanwhile, we have an FBI who waged two coups, Andrew, against the sitting president.

00:46:31.000 And they were more popular than ICE.

00:46:33.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 And so go through your points again.

00:46:36.000 What you found when you actually Pulled this issue was got to get rid of the masks.

00:46:41.000 The masks were optically toxic.

00:46:44.000 Listen, we all want our ICE agents to be safe.

00:46:47.000 We don't want them to be targeted, but they're optically toxic.

00:46:50.000 Okay.

00:46:51.000 It was too much.

00:46:52.000 Second point was use the FBI on the arresting and enforcement aspect of these raids.

00:46:57.000 So if you get in the way and impede ICE agents doing their job, the FBI would come in and be the enforcement mechanism.

00:47:05.000 And then three, clearly define what constitutes crimes that would land you in jail and prison.

00:47:11.000 Okay.

00:47:11.000 I think that's really, really clear.

00:47:13.000 Rich, I want to zero in on something here because I think it's really important, and that is the donor element.

00:47:21.000 That we know that big ag, we know that big hospitality, we know these are the industries that tend to often donate to Republican causes, campaigns, and they're the most hungry for cheap labor.

00:47:33.000 It's very frustrating.

00:47:34.000 And then I noticed something when I was looking at this Dignidad Act, the production value of it.

00:47:41.000 I'm going to play this clip, and we're going to Tie these two pieces together.

00:47:45.000 SOT 16.

00:47:46.000 What does the word dignity mean to you?

00:47:49.000 To me, it means not having to live in the shadows.

00:47:52.000 It means being proud to contribute to the economy and be respected for it.

00:47:56.000 That's what 10 million illegal immigrants deserve.

00:47:59.000 Let them work legally and generate over $100 billion in revenue for our Treasury.

00:48:05.000 No path to citizenship, no right to vote in our elections, and no access to federal programs.

00:48:10.000 It's called the Dignity Act, where they can work and live without fear.

00:48:15.000 Is the right thing to do, is the Christian thing to do, is the American thing to do.

00:48:19.000 So let's do it.

00:48:22.000 The Christian thing to do, Jorah.

00:48:24.000 Yeah, you love the Bible, don't you?

00:48:26.000 You have to get rid of your country.

00:48:27.000 The Bible says that.

00:48:28.000 I got super triggered when I watched that the first time with that line, too.

00:48:32.000 It's the Christian thing to do, it's the American thing to do.

00:48:34.000 So let's do it.

00:48:35.000 No.

00:48:36.000 Okay.

00:48:37.000 Enforcing your laws and looking out for the people of this country is actually our Christian duty to our fellow citizens.

00:48:44.000 That's the first responsibility of this country.

00:48:47.000 But you notice the production value there the music and the multi angles and the sharp lighting.

00:48:54.000 There's money behind this stuff.

00:48:56.000 And it's crazy that we take our eye off the ball for one second and we're focused on a ceasefire in Iran or whatever.

00:49:02.000 Instantly, they've got these things in the hopper, and you're getting pushed out when you're doing polling, Rich.

00:49:08.000 To reveal that, hey, actually, mass deportations is still popular.

00:49:11.000 We just have to change some messaging things.

00:49:13.000 We lost on the mass things.

00:49:15.000 We got to change the way we enforce it, add some clarity.

00:49:18.000 And meanwhile, so I know that you can't tell us, but I have some guesses of who you might have been working with.

00:49:26.000 And again, I go back to big ag and I go back to big hospitality.

00:49:30.000 Yeah, you got it.

00:49:31.000 Yeah, okay.

00:49:32.000 So I figured as much.

00:49:33.000 So I know you can't tell us because of your non disclosures and all this stuff, Rich, but like, What the vibe in that room?

00:49:40.000 So, you're in a room with a big money guy that's wanting to get an answer, wants to engineer an answer from your polling.

00:49:49.000 What tell us, like, give us the reality of this donor class and how hungry they are for this cheap labor.

00:49:56.000 It was a constant fight.

00:49:57.000 You know, if you go to a doctor, I don't care how much money you have, if you go to a doctor and there's something seriously wrong with you, I mean, it's a serious issue.

00:50:06.000 Are you going to second guess everything the doctor tells you?

00:50:08.000 Are you going to let the doctor do his job and be professional and get the best outcome or the right outcome?

00:50:13.000 For you.

00:50:14.000 That's not how it works in my industry.

00:50:16.000 It's constant fighting with the wording of the question, which you know as a pollster with integrity is a leading question.

00:50:23.000 It's constantly how are the graphics going to be presented to the president?

00:50:27.000 Can we possibly?

00:50:29.000 Let me give you an example, Andrew.

00:50:30.000 If you say, Do you support this?

00:50:32.000 And the Trump base says no.

00:50:34.000 And then you give them a bunch of riders in a series of questions to try to get them to sign on.

00:50:40.000 Well, what about if it doesn't include anybody who came over during the Biden era, which is a deal breaker, by the way?

00:50:47.000 And then you get a few more people on board.

00:50:50.000 It's constantly, well, can't we just combine those two together and say that that's the total to give to the president?

00:50:57.000 Well, no, we can't because that total includes specific riders that were also polled because initially they told you no.

00:51:07.000 This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

00:51:09.000 Okay.

00:51:09.000 So it's the president's very visual when you give him something, a product like that.

00:51:13.000 He wants to see the numbers, he wants to see the red, right?

00:51:15.000 Because Republicans are red.

00:51:16.000 He wants to see which one's what.

00:51:18.000 And that's it.

00:51:19.000 He doesn't want to dive down and look and see that it takes three, four, five specific proposals, different language assigned to it, and how you sell it.

00:51:27.000 They don't want to deliver that to him.

00:51:29.000 They want to mash it all together and present to the president as, you know what, this only leaves like 10% of your base, and that's nothing.

00:51:37.000 Well, first of all, 10% is the end of you as a coalition.

00:51:40.000 It's not nothing.

00:51:42.000 Secondly, you can't do that.

00:51:43.000 It's dishonest.

00:51:45.000 But there's a lot of money behind it, Andrew, and you want to get hired again.

00:51:48.000 So there are very few people who are like me.

00:51:51.000 Who will spend Christmas Eve screaming about how the product looks, you know?

00:51:55.000 Or, by the way, which carried all through the New Year celebrations.

00:51:59.000 This was a long term thing.

00:52:01.000 Very, very, very few pollsters will push back.

00:52:04.000 They'll just say, let's get him what he wants.

00:52:07.000 I understand.

00:52:07.000 There's the wink, there's the nod.

00:52:09.000 I want the money.

00:52:11.000 That's so infuriating.

00:52:13.000 On our side, too.

00:52:14.000 On our side.

00:52:15.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:52:17.000 And the grift is real.

00:52:19.000 And so I just want everybody to be very cautious when you see polls that seem too good to be true because they probably are false.

00:52:26.000 Okay?

00:52:26.000 That's right.

00:52:27.000 You know, so this reminds me of the 100% of MAGA supports this.

00:52:32.000 Like, I mean, I was speaking to another friend of mine who works adjacent to Poland, and he talked about the fact, just sort of the way you can use polls to set things up.

00:52:40.000 And he told me, we.

00:52:42.000 Commission polls, and I know not what 90% of them are going to say before the results even come out, but it's that you just create these polls so that you can convince people to do what they already want to do or convince them to do what you know you want them to do.

00:52:58.000 You can just set everything up.

00:53:00.000 So there's some polls that provide information, but there's arguably a lot more polls that are just used to manipulate people.

00:53:07.000 And, you know, President Trump, if he was given the right information, we would get better policies.

00:53:12.000 And that's why it's so critical that we.

00:53:15.000 And you, Rich, expose how this grift game works.

00:53:18.000 All right, I want to pivot just really quick.

00:53:20.000 If you have a final thought on that, that's great.

00:53:22.000 I just was going to say, you know what drives me nuts about this was this idea like, oh, let's not burden the president with the minutiae, the specifics, the caveat, the nuances.

00:53:30.000 Are you saying the president's a stupid man?

00:53:32.000 He's a smart guy.

00:53:34.000 Give me 10 minutes to explain this to him correctly.

00:53:38.000 It's insulting.

00:53:41.000 And we all know what it is.

00:53:42.000 We're going to keep saying mass deportations because guess what?

00:53:45.000 That's what the people want.

00:53:47.000 It is.

00:53:47.000 This is America.

00:53:48.000 What the people want, the people get.

00:53:50.000 Just sell it differently.

00:53:51.000 You got to have a messaging strategy that helps move it along.

00:53:56.000 I mean, this is what Bovino was saying.

00:53:57.000 He's saying, look at what we did in Louisiana, in New Orleans.

00:54:01.000 Look at what we did even in LA.

00:54:03.000 Look at what we did in all these places where we had the messaging out front.

00:54:07.000 We had a strategy.

00:54:08.000 They executed the strategy.

00:54:10.000 Everything went to crap in Minneapolis.

00:54:12.000 We get it.

00:54:12.000 I mean, that was a tidal wave and a political disaster.

00:54:15.000 But it doesn't mean that we don't want mass deportation still.

00:54:19.000 You just have to do it in a way that.

00:54:20.000 You know, we want commas, not drama.

00:54:22.000 We don't want the drama.

00:54:23.000 Keep the Asians off the headlines.

00:54:27.000 But we want mastery deportations.

00:54:29.000 Go ahead, Blake.

00:54:30.000 I'm wondering, 30 seconds, but would it be a workable approach if you said, if you went around saying, oh, we're getting the worst of the worst, and then you just started targeting business after business that's employing people illegally?

00:54:41.000 Because I think there's a lot more sympathy when you go after, oh, this business was employing all illegal workers, and you smear the business owner instead of the immigrant.

00:54:51.000 I just want to say, I can't believe in 20 seconds left and we got to that because that was another big sticking point.

00:54:56.000 They had no sympathies for big business, yet, guess who were the big donors?

00:55:00.000 So, of course, we couldn't bring that up either.

00:55:02.000 That's another great.

00:55:03.000 I'm so glad you said that, Blake, because that was a fight that me and one other pollster had with everybody else.

00:55:09.000 Like, this is the obvious path to take.

00:55:12.000 Hello.

00:55:13.000 Yeah.

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00:56:25.000 Welcoming now to the show is our dear friend Libby Emmons.

00:56:28.000 She's the editor in chief of the Post Millennial and Human Events.

00:56:31.000 We've got lots to go over with Libby.

00:56:34.000 Thank you for joining us, Libby.

00:56:35.000 I hope you're doing well.

00:56:36.000 Yeah, you too.

00:56:37.000 Nice to see you guys.

00:56:38.000 It's great to see you.

00:56:39.000 So I saw this clip out of Virginia.

00:56:42.000 So Abigail Spanberger, she's been governor of Virginia for about 12 weeks now.

00:56:48.000 And apparently her poll numbers are slumping.

00:56:51.000 And she got asked about this.

00:56:53.000 And it was just too delicious.

00:56:54.000 We had to play it.

00:56:55.000 Satsix.

00:56:56.000 There was a poll out that had your numbers a little unfavorable on your numbers.

00:57:00.000 What do you attribute that to?

00:57:02.000 I would say, if everybody hated me, why is everybody putting my face on their mailers for the referendum?

00:57:07.000 Would be question number one.

00:57:09.000 Smirk, awkward smile, uncomfortable.

00:57:12.000 Go ahead.

00:57:13.000 She's just, she's a very, she's like a skinwalker or something.

00:57:19.000 You get this thing.

00:57:19.000 She's not, there's not, she's just a skinwalker.

00:57:23.000 Well, don't ever go from Virginia.

00:57:24.000 So, here's the details on the poll.

00:57:26.000 We have another Sot here for you, Libby.

00:57:27.000 So, we, to be fair, she's about 50 50.

00:57:30.000 All right.

00:57:30.000 But when you compare it to past governors of Virginia at this state, she's not doing so good.

00:57:35.000 OK?

00:57:35.000 SOP 15.

00:57:36.000 Glenn Youngkin had great approval ratings, but look at hers.

00:57:39.000 She's three months in, and her approval rating is almost what it is for disapproval.

00:57:44.000 About 50% like her, and 50% don't like her.

00:57:47.000 But if you compare that to approval ratings for past governors, nobody else was where she was at this point in their candidacy or in their governorship.

00:57:58.000 And so she was asked about this yesterday, and she defended it.

00:58:02.000 So she's not doing well because she ran as a moderate and she's gone full commie over in Virginia.

00:58:08.000 Your take, Libby Evans.

00:58:09.000 Yeah, she sure has.

00:58:10.000 This is something I've talked to some of our staffers at the Postmillennial who live in Virginia about this.

00:58:15.000 And they say that they are so sick of all of this gerrymandering stuff that she had previously said that she would not back gerrymandering in the state of Virginia.

00:58:24.000 And now she's going full force on that.

00:58:26.000 They're also telling me that there have been a number of illegal immigrant murders in the state just.

00:58:33.000 Since she's taken office, we saw an absolutely brutal murder in Fairfax, Virginia, of a mom who was just at a bus stop and this psychopathic illegal immigrant came off the bus and stabbed her to death.

00:58:45.000 Absolutely horrifying.

00:58:47.000 And these are people who have no business in the country and, in many cases, are people who have a criminal record in the state and should not be in the state.

00:58:54.000 They should not be in the country and they certainly shouldn't be going around stabbing women.

00:58:59.000 There's also, she's also reversed course on the cooperation of Virginia police with ICE.

00:59:06.000 So that's an issue as well, especially when you consider these illegal immigrant murders.

00:59:11.000 So I think people are looking around and they're saying, well, you know, we elected this woman who said she was going to be a moderate, and instead she is a far left crazy progressive.

00:59:22.000 And we're looking at a 50 50.

00:59:24.000 So while Democrats, for the most part, continue to support her, she's not making any inroads with Republicans in the state.

00:59:30.000 And that's going to be a problem.

00:59:32.000 Well, and by the way, the mailers that her face is being plastered on, a lot of those are against the redistricting effort that they're leading.

00:59:40.000 So we have to hit that.

00:59:41.000 We're hitting this really hard because if you're in Virginia, the final vote is next week.

00:59:47.000 Next week, Tuesday, I believe.

00:59:48.000 We get the results.

00:59:49.000 Virginia's redistricting.

00:59:50.000 They're trying to take it from a pretty even House split.

00:59:52.000 It's 6 5.

00:59:53.000 10 1.

00:59:54.000 They're trying to make it 10 Democrats, 1 Republican.

00:59:56.000 This very easily could decide the House next fall.

00:59:59.000 Either way, five seats is a ton.

01:00:01.000 This matters a lot.

01:00:02.000 And I know we lost that Virginia's race wasn't super close last fall.

01:00:06.000 But the polling shows this is very close.

01:00:08.000 There have only been three polls on it.

01:00:10.000 One is yes up by eight, one is no up by eight, one is yes up by five.

01:00:15.000 So, right there, not only that, if you get into the crosstabs, the highest propensity voters are actually the most skeptical about it.

01:00:22.000 The ones who have already voted are the most likely to say, no, I don't support this.

01:00:26.000 And we are seeing evidence of higher turnout in the Republican parts of the state.

01:00:31.000 So, this is a dead heat, as we like to say.

01:00:33.000 If you haven't voted yet, go vote right now.

01:00:36.000 I don't know why you didn't listen the last two times we told you to do that, but do it now.

01:00:40.000 And I think the last day is probably this Saturday.

01:00:43.000 If you don't do it by then, make sure you vote Tuesday.

01:00:45.000 This matters.

01:00:46.000 And this is a state that Kamala took by six points.

01:00:46.000 Exactly.

01:00:50.000 So this is a pretty close state, right?

01:00:54.000 And so they had six, five maps.

01:00:56.000 They're going to try and go to 10, one maps.

01:00:58.000 A total, total disaster, by the way.

01:01:01.000 And it does have national implications.

01:01:03.000 And what's also infuriating about this, you said this, Libby, that she ran against doing this.

01:01:07.000 Now she's all in favor because they lie.

01:01:10.000 And secondly, before this, they had A-plus maps.

01:01:14.000 They were rated A-plus for being fair, okay, to the voting electorate.

01:01:19.000 So, I mean, it's a bastardization of the sort of special election process, which I think is getting litigated, but nevertheless, the vote is going forward.

01:01:28.000 So vote, Yeah.

01:01:30.000 Libby, you also used to live in the city of New York.

01:01:34.000 You have a special place in your heart for the city of New York, I think it's safe to say.

01:01:39.000 And Mamdani is getting a dismal report card, new report out from the New York Post.

01:01:44.000 Mamdani gets dismal reports.

01:01:45.000 Report card from New Yorkers after less than 100 days in office.

01:01:48.000 What are you hearing?

01:01:50.000 Yeah, so I was looking at this poll as well.

01:01:52.000 He's got a 48% approval rating, which is substantially lower than Eric Adams, previous mayor's 61% at this point in his term.

01:02:01.000 It's more on par with Bill de Blasio's approval rating, and he was one of the worst mayors the city has ever seen, ever in the history of the city, and that's really saying something.

01:02:10.000 He's got a 30% disapproval rating, Mamdani has.

01:02:15.000 And as he's had his 100 days in office, it's been pretty, the far leftism has been really pretty rampant.

01:02:24.000 And also, he's Been breaking some campaign promises.

01:02:26.000 He's already walking back the free buses things because it turns out, golly gee, it's not that affordable.

01:02:33.000 Who would have known that?

01:02:34.000 I don't know.

01:02:35.000 Perhaps the entire city knew that and they elected him for it anyway.

01:02:39.000 They got on board.

01:02:40.000 So he's trying to walk that back.

01:02:41.000 He's also proposing some plans based on some equity reporting that was conducted after George Floyd.

01:02:50.000 This was put into place in 2022 by the city council.

01:02:52.000 Hey, let's get on board with some of this BLM equity stuff.

01:02:56.000 And he's noticed that there are racial disparities in terms of income and various other things, housing in the city.

01:03:02.000 And he's decided that this is all based on prejudice and racism, not choices that people make.

01:03:09.000 So that's something that people are looking at now.

01:03:12.000 He's complaining that white households earn something like $200,000 average, black households around $20,000.

01:03:19.000 And he's claiming that this is all racism.

01:03:21.000 And this is a study where everybody, all 45 agencies of the city, had to look at practices and policies.

01:03:29.000 Through the lens of critical race theory, the idea was go look for racism.

01:03:33.000 And if you're going to put on glasses that are covered with racism, that's all you're going to find.

01:03:37.000 Well, and if you think that the wealth disparity in New York City is caused by racism, I don't know what to do for you.

01:03:45.000 I don't know how to help you.

01:03:46.000 But the national, the entire basic purpose of New York City at this point might as well be to reallocate money in order to solve disparities.

01:03:54.000 Yeah.

01:03:54.000 Well, and remember, his campaign promise was to tax white neighborhoods.

01:04:00.000 Yes.

01:04:00.000 To essentially loot the wealth of white New Yorkers, give it to black and brown New Yorkers.

01:04:06.000 Here's the clip Sot 17.

01:04:08.000 The inequities in this city, the racial inequities are stark.

01:04:11.000 The wealth of a median white household in the city is more than $200,000, while that of a black household is less than $20,000.

01:04:19.000 We are reckoning with the long history of racism here and starting to act upon a framework that puts equity right at the center of it.

01:04:27.000 Standing right behind the mayor in that clip, by the way, is City Councilman Youssef Salam.

01:04:32.000 He is one of the Central Park Five.

01:04:34.000 He participated in a gang rape of the Central Park jogger, and that was a giant crusade to let him off.

01:04:40.000 Allegedly.

01:04:41.000 Basically.

01:04:42.000 Allegedly.

01:04:43.000 I'm saying he 100% did it.

01:04:43.000 Okay.

01:04:45.000 Well, allegedly.

01:04:46.000 So, yeah, allegedly.

01:04:47.000 The allegedly, and then media gets on board and paints all these beautiful paintings of him, and now there he is in city council.

01:04:55.000 Yeah, I looked at this, and as a white person who lived in New York City, who definitely did not make the kind of income that he's looking for, but would have probably been taxed at a higher rate anyway, just because of where I lived or whatever, it's really surprising to see.

01:05:14.000 How many people are actually on board with this?

01:05:16.000 Where you also have Black New Yorkers who are homeowners who are railing against this, saying, you know, we don't need to be taxed more just because we have the good fortune to own a home.

01:05:26.000 We're trying to do this crazy thing called building generational wealth for our families, for our children, for our communities.

01:05:32.000 That's important.

01:05:33.000 And you have Mamdani continuing to try to extort Albany for more tax revenue and more of all this stuff because he wants to implement more and more crazy programs that are based on equity, not opportunity.

01:05:46.000 And one of the greatest things about New York City.

01:05:48.000 Is just the amount of opportunity that is available.

01:05:52.000 There are a lot of really good public schools, you know, and if you work really hard, if you tell your kids to work really hard, they can get into those schools and they can make a great name for themselves.

01:06:01.000 They can make a future.

01:06:03.000 There's Nobel Prize winners that come out of these New York City schools.

01:06:07.000 And so when you look at the way that Mamdani is treating the city, he wants to slash everybody off at the knees who's doing well and give those, you know, give those legs to somebody else so that they can climb higher.

01:06:17.000 But these are people who living in one of the cities that has greatest opportunity in the world.

01:06:22.000 Have been unable to build on those opportunities.

01:06:24.000 And that's really just a shame.

01:06:26.000 And I think it's going to be a shame for the children of that city.

01:06:29.000 Well, surprise, surprise.

01:06:30.000 We have two examples of far left governance that are not, it's not popular because it doesn't work.

01:06:35.000 All right, Blake, you got a story on the Pope that everybody's talking about.

01:06:38.000 JD Vance is getting asked about it.

01:06:40.000 Yeah, it's just interesting.

01:06:42.000 I'm not entirely sure how to react to it.

01:06:44.000 This is a reporting from the Free Press, that's Barry Weiss's outfit, that supposedly the Pentagon, supposedly the Pentagon of one of our officials there, Elbridge Colby, Summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre, who's the Vatican's ambassador to the United States, for a meeting in January.

01:07:01.000 And this is in the wording of the free press that he told this cardinal that the United States has the military power to do, quote, whatever it wants, and that the Pope, the American Pope Leo, had, quote, better take its side.

01:07:19.000 And supposedly, in this confrontation, the US went so far as to invoke the Avignon Papacy.

01:07:27.000 And that raises my eyebrow.

01:07:28.000 That sounds a little unlikely to me, to be frank.

01:07:31.000 For the 99% of you who have no idea what that's in reference to, in the 1300s, the King of France forcibly relocated the Pope to a town in France called Avignon.

01:07:43.000 And that's where the Pope was instead of Rome for a little under 100 years.

01:07:47.000 And for a period, there were even two popes there was a Pope in Avignon and a Pope in Rome.

01:07:51.000 Very complicated business.

01:07:52.000 It was very important 700 years ago.

01:07:55.000 It all sounds very unlikely to me.

01:07:58.000 Well, so, yes.

01:08:00.000 So, a spokesman for the Department of Defense told Newsweek that the free press's characterization of the meeting was highly exaggerated and distorted.

01:08:11.000 The meeting between Pentagon and Vatican officials was a respectful and reasonable discussion, the spokesman said.

01:08:16.000 We have nothing but the highest regard and welcome continued dialogue with the Holy See.

01:08:20.000 Yeah.

01:08:20.000 Now, we should be frank.

01:08:22.000 There has been a lot of friction between the new papacy and the admin.

01:08:28.000 I'll be frank, I think the Pope has been a little annoying with his rhetoric on migration, on immigration, stuff like that.

01:08:35.000 It bothers me because I just don't think it really is in line with traditional Christian views on things like that.

01:08:42.000 And it's annoying.

01:08:43.000 You used to have the Pope say things that are annoying, and you go, Oh, well, he said it in Italian, and it's getting translated weird.

01:08:48.000 Now we have this Pope from Chicago, and he just says stuff, and it sounds like a lib commentator on MS Now, and it's frustrating and annoying.

01:08:58.000 That said, I also don't think you want to be picking fights with the Vatican.

01:09:03.000 They are an institution with a Long legacy, a lot of moral legitimacy.

01:09:08.000 We don't need to spar with them either.

01:09:10.000 We can respectfully disagree with them.

01:09:12.000 That's what I hope, anyway.

01:09:13.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that it's been interesting to see the Pope.

01:09:17.000 This is the first American Pope.

01:09:18.000 I'm Catholic, so full disclosure there.

01:09:22.000 Fun fact about the Avignon Papacy I believe that that's where we got the wine, the Chateau Neuf de Pomp that came from the Avignon Papacy.

01:09:31.000 But yeah, I've been following Leo on X, coming out all of the time, speaking against war, speaking in favor of being nice to migrants.

01:09:40.000 And to a certain regard, I really respect what he's doing.

01:09:44.000 He's saying, no war.

01:09:45.000 That's really a pretty Catholic perspective at this point.

01:09:48.000 No war.

01:09:49.000 Be nice to migrants.

01:09:50.000 That's, you know, of course, we should be kind to these people.

01:09:53.000 And this is, of course, not the first time that a religious leader like the Pope, a religious Catholic leader, has come into conflict with the big military powers of the world.

01:10:04.000 It kind of speaks to a certain sense of balance and it makes sense.

01:10:08.000 I mean, the papacy is not here to.

01:10:11.000 Back the American government.

01:10:12.000 That's not what it's for.

01:10:13.000 It's supposed to guide Catholics in their view.

01:10:16.000 So that's, I think, what matters here is the speaking to Catholics about how they should behave.

01:10:21.000 Should Catholics be in favor of war?

01:10:24.000 Probably not.

01:10:25.000 But that doesn't mean that you don't back your United States, come hell or high water, no matter what.

01:10:30.000 And I'm frankly very comfortable with that, you know, potential contradiction.

01:10:35.000 And the same thing is true with the migration.

01:10:38.000 I think that it makes a lot of sense to be kind to migrants, to be kind to People who are intent on leaving their own nations, but that doesn't mean they have to come to the United States.

01:10:46.000 There is a separation there, certainly, between faith in Jesus Christ and what you think is best for your nation.

01:10:54.000 They're not always going to necessarily be the same thing, right?

01:10:58.000 I mean, I don't think that we should let our nation be overrun because that would certainly get in the way of faith and expressing faith and all of that stuff, too.

01:11:07.000 So there has to be a balance.

01:11:09.000 But I think Leo is doing what he thinks is the right thing to do.

01:11:12.000 I think America is doing what America thinks is the right thing to do.

01:11:15.000 And it's okay if those two things are not always aligned.

01:11:18.000 I'm perfectly comfortable with that.

01:11:20.000 There's been a similar story that was unfolding in the past week.

01:11:24.000 There's this.

01:11:25.000 Push that's been made to frame the Pentagon under Pete Hegsef, who is a Protestant, as actively anti Catholic in some capacity.

01:11:33.000 There was a story that they had a Good Friday service on Good Friday and that they sent out a notice where it said Protestant service, no Catholic Mass.

01:11:42.000 And this was hyped up by a lot of people as them actively saying, We don't have Mass on Good Friday.

01:11:47.000 Yeah, it was ridiculous.

01:11:48.000 We don't have Mass.

01:11:49.000 Do not have a Mass on Good Friday.

01:11:51.000 We just don't do that.

01:11:52.000 Yeah, it's the only day of the year.

01:11:54.000 I actually went to a service on Good Friday.

01:11:56.000 You still have the Eucharist because they'll prepare it in advance, but they just distribute it.

01:12:00.000 They don't do the whole thing.

01:12:02.000 Wait, you just said they don't have a service, but you went to one.

01:12:05.000 So we have a service.

01:12:06.000 We don't have like a specific Good Friday Mass.

01:12:08.000 I mean, there's Mass every day.

01:12:10.000 Show up at your church at like eight in the morning.

01:12:11.000 You're going to find it.

01:12:13.000 It's important sacrament stuff.

01:12:14.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:15.000 Got it.

01:12:16.000 Listen, I'm a cradle Catholic, but I'm obviously a little rusty on some of the particulars.

01:12:22.000 But I can guarantee you that Pete Heg said he has nothing but love for the Catholic Church and.

01:12:28.000 Catholics serving in the military.

01:12:29.000 But it's something we actually talked about with Michael Knowles.

01:12:32.000 It does feel like there is some sort of effort to drive a wedge between Catholics and Protestants, evangelicals specifically in this country.

01:12:41.000 I don't know where that's coming from exactly, but I don't feel it innately myself.

01:12:45.000 It just feels like there's forces that are trying to drive a wedge between Catholics and Protestants.

01:12:52.000 And I genuinely don't resonate with it at all.

01:12:56.000 What I would say is Catholics and Evangelicals and different brands of Protestant, they have different beliefs about Christianity, and we shouldn't ignore those things.

01:13:04.000 I think if you go too far on ecumenism, you miss that.

01:13:08.000 You kind of end up imagining that doctrine isn't important, and that, oh, it's just we all kind of like ceremony a bit more than others.

01:13:15.000 And it is more than that that's going on.

01:13:18.000 Getting back to the big picture, I think it seems pretty obvious there's going to be friction between this admin and the Pope.

01:13:24.000 The Pope might bash the president a bit.

01:13:27.000 I would say, in contrast to most world leaders, The president probably shouldn't bash the Pope back.

01:13:31.000 He's just, it's not a fight that's worth picking.

01:13:33.000 It's not worth it.

01:13:34.000 There's a good exchange I remember.

01:13:36.000 I think there was a tech leader who was making fun of the Pope, and a guy just said, Don't mock the Pope.

01:13:41.000 Don't mock the Pope.

01:13:42.000 And if they did say something about we have military power, I find it unlikely that this administration did that.

01:13:48.000 But I do remember the supposed line by Joseph Stalin How many divisions does the Pope have?

01:13:53.000 And then the church played a big role in bringing down communism in Eastern Europe.

01:13:59.000 Well, but my point is, I'm not saying the doctrinal issues don't matter.

01:14:03.000 They certainly can and do sometimes.

01:14:05.000 But in general, we have way more in common than we do that separates us, namely Jesus Christ.

01:14:11.000 Yes.

01:14:12.000 Is our Lord and Savior.

01:14:12.000 Yes.

01:14:13.000 So, amen.

01:14:14.000 Libby Evans, thank you for joining us, the post millennial and human events.

01:14:17.000 Thanks for making the time, Libby.

01:14:18.000 We'll see you again soon.

01:14:19.000 Thanks so much, guys.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 09, 2026

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