The Charlie Kirk Show - The Rise of the Fourth Reich with Steve Deace and Daniel Horowitz

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00:01:22.000 There is a bold new book out that is taking the internet by storm.

00:01:30.000 The rise of the fourth Reich.

00:01:33.000 Are you even allowed to say that?

00:01:35.000 By two incredible people, Steve Dace and Daniel Horowitz.

00:01:39.000 Well, both of them join us right now.

00:01:42.000 It is the new book, Rise of the Fourth Reich, confronting COVID Fascism with a New Nuremberg trial.

00:01:47.000 So this never happens again.

00:01:49.000 Steve and Daniel, welcome back to the program.

00:01:51.000 Always good to be with you, Charlie.

00:01:52.000 Thanks.

00:01:53.000 Steve, I'll start with you because we had Daniel on recently.

00:01:56.000 I mean, come on, comparing this to the Third Reich, Fourth Reich, isn't that a little bit too intense?

00:02:02.000 The skeptics would say, the people in the middle, they'd say, why does everything have to be compared to the 1930s?

00:02:07.000 Steve, your response.

00:02:09.000 Because we keep repeating history and it doesn't just repeat, Charlie.

00:02:13.000 It also rhymes.

00:02:14.000 And hey, I was once a strict enforcer of Godwin's law.

00:02:19.000 Okay.

00:02:20.000 Which is essentially a philosophical law that if two people debate and argue over a point long enough, one of them will eventually descend to calling the other a Nazi.

00:02:27.000 That's exactly right.

00:02:28.000 And I was a strict enforcer of this for most of my career.

00:02:32.000 It's very hard, though, to ignore the parallels when you talk about what has been ushered in via a biomedical fascist state.

00:02:40.000 Literally every issue that we have right now in this culture that is of a systemic origin.

00:02:46.000 I was just listening to you talk to Carrie Lake and Blake Masters in Arizona talking about what's going on in the border, why we have 100% more greater surge over the border than we had a year ago and far greater than we had under the previous president.

00:02:59.000 Well, what provided the mechanism for them to create Dropbox, I'm sorry, ballot harvesting.

00:03:03.000 I'm sorry, the most secure election of our lifetimes.

00:03:06.000 What mechanism came in for them to finally do what they've stopped them from doing this for decades.

00:03:13.000 I mean, we actually had the momentum going our way with voter ID laws in over 30 states.

00:03:19.000 What provided them the opportunity here to commit the crime that we saw on Election Day 2020 was COVID.

00:03:24.000 This wasn't safe to go out and vote.

00:03:26.000 We needed to have the drop boxes in all these states.

00:03:28.000 And lo and behold, you get a ballot harvesting scheme in 2,000 mule.

00:03:32.000 Okay.

00:03:33.000 So everything you would think of right now, the inflation that started with COVID spending when we had the original shutdowns under Trump, and then we've just taken it now to a whole different level.

00:03:43.000 Everything that you would come up with right now, the rate on Mar-a-Lago.

00:03:47.000 Yep.

00:03:48.000 I mean, the same elements within the government that want to weaponize FBI did that with NIH and FDA and CDC against us before that.

00:03:56.000 Everything you would think of is an issue right now of a systemic nature in our culture, Charlie.

00:04:02.000 It all emanates from March 16th, 2020.

00:04:05.000 There was America with her issues, and they were already systemic on March 15th, 2020.

00:04:10.000 And then there is the America that has emerged ever since.

00:04:13.000 Daniel.

00:04:15.000 You know, Charlie, it's literally in the title of the book, Confronting COVID Fascism with a New Nuremberg Trial So that it never happens again.

00:04:24.000 This is not just about genocide, although we do prove that when you look at the lockdowns, the creation of COVID, which was created and was pre-planned, and the creation of the biomedical products like Remdesivir and the vaccines, you are talking about several hundred million people at a clinical level injury.

00:04:47.000 You're talking about tens of millions of people seriously injured, and you're talking about millions of people killed from the shots.

00:04:53.000 And then certainly you get into the tens of millions when you throw in the lockdowns and the vaccines there.

00:04:57.000 So in terms of severity, it's actually there.

00:05:00.000 But there's a more important parallel here.

00:05:03.000 And that is Auschwitz didn't begin with Auschwitz.

00:05:06.000 We're literally comparing it to the Third Reich, the mentality, the medical nationalism, the scientism.

00:05:13.000 We're going to create a master race.

00:05:15.000 It didn't start necessarily targeting exclusively the Jews.

00:05:19.000 They targeted people that they felt were useless eaters.

00:05:23.000 It's funny, we hear that word a lot from the World Economic Forum folks these days.

00:05:28.000 And what they did was they elevated scientism and national medical objectives over the rights of the individual.

00:05:38.000 That is the Third Reich.

00:05:40.000 That is why doctors joined in quicker and in larger numbers earlier on than any other profession.

00:05:47.000 What we discuss in this book is largely how hospitals and doctors got roped into this mentality that there is quite literally nothing we won't do to you, from denying you treatment to doing things that primaphasia kill you to denying kidney transplants if you don't follow what we say.

00:06:08.000 Um those, that mark that was left on society culture, a human mentality, as well as the medical profession.

00:06:16.000 We have not extirpated that from our midst.

00:06:18.000 It is worse than it's ever been, and that's why we felt compelled to write this.

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00:07:25.000 Daniel, I want to ask you this.

00:07:28.000 How much of this was planned beforehand?

00:07:30.000 So if you are making the argument that this is the rise of the Fourth Reich, then it's possible to infer this was not an accident.

00:07:37.000 This was not some sort of, they stumbled into it.

00:07:40.000 Was this planned in the sense did they have globalist-type blueprints on the table ready to be implemented?

00:07:48.000 Are you going as far to say that this virus was released intentionally?

00:07:52.000 Because if you're going to say it was the Fourth Reich, then this was many years in the making.

00:07:55.000 Your thoughts, Daniel, then Steve?

00:07:57.000 Absolutely.

00:07:58.000 This was pre-planned.

00:08:00.000 It's funny.

00:08:00.000 Just today on my podcast, I was talking about monkeypox, how they rushed an extremely dangerous shot, prima facial, on CDC's own review in 2019.

00:08:11.000 Why?

00:08:11.000 They held a tabletop simulation last year.

00:08:15.000 Bill Gates warned about it.

00:08:16.000 They approved a therapeutic for smallpox.

00:08:19.000 Why?

00:08:20.000 Why?

00:08:20.000 Wuhan was doing research, gain of function on monkeypox.

00:08:24.000 We're seeing it now.

00:08:25.000 Before we didn't see it.

00:08:27.000 And retrospectively, when you go back, there were those planning it.

00:08:30.000 Now, to be clear, there are people in pharma and government that knew about it and were planning it.

00:08:36.000 It doesn't mean every last person in the medical profession knew about it.

00:08:38.000 Obviously, they didn't.

00:08:39.000 Just like in the Third Reich, most people didn't know about the final solution, but they got swept up into that medical nationalism, the eugenics.

00:08:49.000 They thought it would be good for the country.

00:08:51.000 It would improve their state.

00:08:52.000 But I just want to make sure to nail you down, Daniel, sorry to interrupt.

00:08:54.000 Do you or Steve, you could interject?

00:08:56.000 Do you believe that there was a plan on the table ready to go for all this vaccine mandates, transhumanism, lockdowns, or do you think it was just kind of these fringe ideas that got implemented in emergency powers?

00:09:07.000 Because non-Derek call it a conspiracy, right, Daniel?

00:09:10.000 I mean, what you're arguing is a conspiracy.

00:09:13.000 Am I wrong?

00:09:14.000 Absolutely.

00:09:15.000 And we addressed this in one of the latter chapters.

00:09:17.000 One of our witnesses at the trial comes with all the receipts, the patents, the pre-prepared war on treatment.

00:09:25.000 There is no way this organically germinated in mid-March.

00:09:31.000 That's even darker than the interpretation some people have, right?

00:09:34.000 Yes.

00:09:35.000 I mean, there is no question.

00:09:37.000 And we're living through it.

00:09:38.000 Charlie, we're living through it with monkeypox right now.

00:09:41.000 And this is going to keep happening.

00:09:43.000 Now we know there were two dozen gain of function sites in Ukraine.

00:09:48.000 What were they doing there?

00:09:50.000 This was definitely going on.

00:09:52.000 And at some level, this was intentional.

00:09:54.000 The vaccines were not created in a matter of two days at the end of January.

00:09:57.000 Steve, is the argument you're making that this was a plan on the shelf that was then implemented intentionally, orchestrated against billions of people?

00:10:11.000 I was a big fan back in the day, Charlie, of the X-Files.

00:10:15.000 I loved the show.

00:10:16.000 And there was an interesting dynamic on the X-Files where you had Mulder and Scully, the two FBI agents, investigating all this paranormal and, you know, unexplained phenomenon.

00:10:26.000 And Mulder, you know, was a complete believer and Scully didn't want to believe.

00:10:31.000 And often the naturalistic or random explanations that she would try to concoct to explain these events were even more fantastical than just believing Mulder's suspicions.

00:10:43.000 You have to believe either what Daniel just asserted.

00:10:46.000 If you don't believe that, then you have to believe this, that all of these various global entities just so happen to have blueprints handy should the moment present itself to all act simultaneously and except for a couple of countries like Sweden during lockdowns, for example.

00:11:04.000 Except for a couple of modern countries, the entire world just all happened to simultaneously and randomly fall in line.

00:11:14.000 I think it takes a lot more faith to believe that latter explanation.

00:11:19.000 And I would also counter with this, if this were a purposeful depopulation scheme, what would they have done differently?

00:11:28.000 If this were a purposeful attempt to initiate a great reset, what would they have done differently?

00:11:35.000 And the answer is, if it was on purpose, nothing.

00:11:37.000 They'd have done exactly everything as they have.

00:11:40.000 So I'm not going to go down this rabbit hole, but something I want you guys to consider that you're going to have to answer is if this was orchestrated, then that is the ultimate red pill.

00:11:49.000 I mean, what else are we living through that is also orchestrated over multiple years.

00:11:53.000 Daniel, it seems like you want to chime in on that.

00:11:55.000 This is an uncomfortable conversation that's unbelief, right?

00:11:58.000 Yes.

00:11:59.000 Yes.

00:11:59.000 In the middle of this, we were about halfway through the project and we were kind of assessing where we're at and where we still wanted to go.

00:12:05.000 And Daniel said to me, he goes, if you consider this isn't the first time they've done something like this, right?

00:12:09.000 Yeah.

00:12:10.000 And I mean, I just, I was like, donkey, you cut me deep and shrek.

00:12:13.000 I don't even want to consider that.

00:12:15.000 Okay.

00:12:16.000 But you can't not consider it.

00:12:18.000 And I think that's why there's a cadre of non-communist people in America that don't want to consider the full ramifications of this.

00:12:29.000 And that's why they hold on to a fantasy, that a magical thinking fantasy that doesn't permit them from doing so, because I understand how uncomfortable it is.

00:12:39.000 Trust me, I'm not comfortable in this at all, but I also can't ignore what my own eyes have seen these last 29 months.

00:12:46.000 Daniel.

00:12:47.000 You know, Charlie, not only have I gotten every vaccine that was made available, I guess, at my age bracket at the time, but when my wife was pregnant, I got another DTP.

00:12:58.000 When there was a measles outbreak at college, just a couple of years ago, I got another MMR.

00:13:01.000 I was just, my brain never even went there.

00:13:05.000 And then when this started coming out, I was thinking, oh my gosh, unlike so many other people, I never even knew about this.

00:13:12.000 And now we look at this monkeypox research.

00:13:15.000 They're doing the same thing.

00:13:16.000 Their entire enterprise is willful.

00:13:20.000 It's there in plain sight.

00:13:22.000 Everything we talk about, we bring the receipts.

00:13:25.000 But there's one very, very important point that we hone in on in our opening argument.

00:13:30.000 And it's, by the way, available for free right now for download at trialsandexecution.com.

00:13:36.000 And that is this.

00:13:38.000 It wasn't a zero-sum game where they had to make a wartime decision.

00:13:42.000 And it was like a button that was pressed.

00:13:44.000 And instantaneously, this all came out irrevocably, like shooting an arrow that cannot be taken back.

00:13:52.000 Every single hour of every day until this very day we live in, they could have done the right thing.

00:14:00.000 They could have done the right thing.

00:14:01.000 And today, the time we live in, the data we've put out just this week, Steve and I on our shows, from the German insurance data, from the Meyer Carditis study in Thailand, we have blown through the threshold of the Nuremberg code millions of times over.

00:14:19.000 And they still continue mandating it in the military, much less removing it from the market.

00:14:24.000 So you don't need to imagine, oh, what could have been conspired several years ago, a decade ago?

00:14:30.000 Right now, if this were just a mistake or stupidity, they would end it.

00:14:36.000 And the next day they would end it.

00:14:37.000 And when more data comes out, they would end it.

00:14:39.000 But that is the Nuremberg code that's been permanently vitiated.

00:14:43.000 The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

00:14:47.000 And then the precept number 10, that during the course of the experiment, when you see that there is likely to occur some form of injury or disability, you must terminate it.

00:15:00.000 Think of the school closures.

00:15:01.000 All right, you panicked the first day, first week, two weeks, three weeks.

00:15:06.000 It became apparent right away, none of the stuff worked.

00:15:10.000 Kids weren't in danger more than a typical winter.

00:15:13.000 And they continued and continued and continued.

00:15:17.000 And to this day, they are not done with the mask and any of that.

00:15:21.000 So that's the point.

00:15:23.000 Of course, it was willfully done, because if it wasn't, if it was an accident, they would have stopped it by now.

00:15:31.000 I mean, there's so many different directions we can go with that.

00:15:33.000 Steve, do you have an immediate reaction to that?

00:15:35.000 I want to just reinforce what he said, because when you get a chance to read this book, when it comes out next year, you're going to see there's going to be, it's going to be loaded with technical data.

00:15:44.000 You'll see that when you go to trialsandexecution.com and read the opening statement, it's framed like a mock Nuremberg trial.

00:15:50.000 There's an opening argument, a closing argument.

00:15:52.000 There's an appendix of evidence of what to do next in between.

00:15:55.000 We've got 20 witness interviews from people that were eyewitnesses to this tyranny and suffered from and or suffered from it.

00:16:03.000 And so there's going to be a lot of technical stuff in there to master.

00:16:06.000 But the most important truth maybe in the entire book is what Daniel just said.

00:16:10.000 And it's one of the most elemental and simple.

00:16:13.000 At any point, they could have said, my bust, got that one wrong.

00:16:17.000 Didn't have to do that.

00:16:18.000 They never did this entire time.

00:16:20.000 I mean, Congressman Massey pointing out last week, amazing, this goes to the number one political book in the country.

00:16:26.000 And all of a sudden, CDC decides we're not going to do COVID anymore.

00:16:29.000 We're not going to treat the unvaccinated differently anymore.

00:16:32.000 They could have made that decision a year ago when the data came out.

00:16:35.000 They decided we're going to get rid of the line that we lied about on our website, that the spike protein doesn't stay in your body for too long.

00:16:41.000 They just made that disappear and memory hold it faster than you can say Las Vegas shooter.

00:16:46.000 Okay.

00:16:46.000 These are all things that they could have admitted and come forward and said, we got ambushed.

00:16:50.000 We overreacted.

00:16:51.000 We don't trust the shy comms.

00:16:53.000 And we think it's not of a natural origin.

00:16:55.000 We weren't sure how many natural biological, physiological, immunological precedents apply to what could be a bioweapon.

00:17:04.000 So we overreacted.

00:17:05.000 Now we're getting data.

00:17:06.000 So we're going to pull none of that.

00:17:07.000 None of that transparency.

00:17:08.000 None of that self-awareness.

00:17:10.000 None of that empathy.

00:17:12.000 And for those that think that the title, Rise of the Fourth Right Goes Too Far, that's the key word.

00:17:17.000 An absence of empathy.

00:17:19.000 That someone could have another view that was legit, even if I don't see it or share it at that time.

00:17:25.000 That's what was missing in the 30s in Germany.

00:17:27.000 And that's what's missing here today.

00:17:29.000 And you see this comprehensively.

00:17:31.000 Well, you can only disagree with me if you're a racist, if you're a misogynist, a xenophobe, a homophobe.

00:17:36.000 And we just carry that right on over into a place where we were all taking a risk, Charlie, whether with a vaccine or exposure to the virus, we all took a long-term risk that should have created the most amount of empathy.

00:17:48.000 Instead, it did the opposite.

00:17:50.000 They've never acknowledged error in any way, shape, or form.

00:17:53.000 Daniel, remind our audience, what is Nuremberg and what exactly happened there?

00:17:57.000 We have a lot of younger listeners.

00:17:58.000 They don't teach us stuff in schools anymore, obviously.

00:18:00.000 Sure.

00:18:01.000 Obviously, it was an idea that even though the Third Reich collapsed, Hitler was gone, Germany was conquered, that you can't just walk away from something of that magnitude without justice, punishment, and then an affirmation to ensure never again, that it never happens again.

00:18:18.000 So they held a Nuremberg trial and held people accountable for the final solution.

00:18:22.000 But there was an auxiliary trial at Nuremberg, and this is the one we focus on.

00:18:26.000 And we're coming up in December on the 75th anniversary of it, which was the doctor's trial.

00:18:31.000 And it was a recognition of this scientism and medical supremacism, nationalism that grew out of the Third Reich and really led to this cold lack of empathy, not just among the top echelons, but etched itself in society the same way you see now.

00:18:49.000 Someone will look at you with eyes that could kill if you don't wear a mask, if you don't get the shot.

00:18:55.000 If you are a threat to another person, it was the notion that they believe that if you don't go along with us, your existence is a threat and it deserves to be exterminated.

00:19:07.000 They held a separate trial and out of that was born the Nuremberg Code, of which there are 10 principles.

00:19:13.000 Every single one was violated to this day.

00:19:16.000 Every single one was violated.

00:19:18.000 And I mean, if it wasn't for you guys and Malone and McCullough and Kirsch and Naomi Wolf and Bannon, there's just not many of us on the right.

00:19:29.000 A lot of people are defenders on the right of this whole thing.

00:19:31.000 In fact, it is what I call a limiting belief.

00:19:34.000 I didn't come up with a term.

00:19:35.000 If you really get them in private, they become so nervous and anxious, they steep down.

00:19:39.000 They'll admit, well, if this is wrong, what else do I believe that might be wrong?

00:19:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

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00:20:49.000 Steve, let me ask you: if it is the rise of the fourth Reich, who is the FUA?

00:20:55.000 This is what makes this very difficult.

00:20:58.000 And one of the points that we make in the opening argument, which again, you can download and read it right now, trialsandexecution.com, is that when we had a third Reich, it was, of course, originally composed within one nation state.

00:21:11.000 Eventually, nationalistic rivalries would emerge.

00:21:14.000 Other people would say, hey, I want to be the FUR.

00:21:17.000 I want to be the one in charge.

00:21:19.000 I want to be the chief megalomaniac around here.

00:21:21.000 Or a free people would rise up and say, we cannot allow that kind of a tyranny.

00:21:25.000 But what happens when it's an amorphous blob?

00:21:27.000 What happens when it's an amorphous, metastasizing organism that touches virtually the entire intellectual elite crowd within the West?

00:21:38.000 It's a Hydra now.

00:21:39.000 And that's what we're dealing with here, Charlie.

00:21:41.000 You can't just say Klaus Schwab is an easy target and frankly deserving of it, given that he literally is a bond villain three minutes away from stroking a white cat.

00:21:50.000 Okay.

00:21:51.000 But okay, you know, Klaus Schwab steps in the wrong way in a busy intersection in Munich, gets hit by a bus.

00:21:57.000 Those ideas and everything aren't going away.

00:22:00.000 There is a long and hydra-like organization throughout the elite sectors of the West that share these ideas.

00:22:07.000 They have long shared them.

00:22:09.000 They used to be called the Council on Foreign Relations.

00:22:11.000 They have decided to weaponize them now.

00:22:13.000 They're done sharing power with us.

00:22:15.000 They exist outside of your elections.

00:22:19.000 They now are institutional.

00:22:21.000 That's right.

00:22:22.000 That's right.

00:22:22.000 They no longer are rivals of the corporate sector.

00:22:26.000 They're aligned with it now.

00:22:27.000 They're done being held accountable by our trite political mechanisms.

00:22:32.000 And so it's not a unique person.

00:22:34.000 It's really a consortium.

00:22:36.000 It's almost like a global confederacy.

00:22:38.000 Yeah.

00:22:38.000 So, Daniel, again, that's hard for some people to stomach.

00:22:40.000 So help build that out.

00:22:42.000 And for those who are, this is the fourth Reich as opposed to the third.

00:22:46.000 We build and explain where that mentality, that lack of empathy, that notion that you are a threat for existing.

00:22:54.000 And if you are not a member of the tribe, it might have been more racial then.

00:22:58.000 Now it will be more circumstantial and ideological.

00:23:02.000 Do you abide by our, are you a man of the cloth?

00:23:06.000 Do you have a circumcision, but not that type of circumcision, one in the arm?

00:23:10.000 If you are a member of the tribe, you're good.

00:23:13.000 If not, you literally forfeit your life.

00:23:16.000 And that's what's described in the books.

00:23:18.000 They literally killed people in the hospital with that mentality.

00:23:22.000 The fourth Reich is if Hitler had mini me's in every single Western democracy, it was private public partnership at every level.

00:23:34.000 So it's global medicalism, not national.

00:23:38.000 Okay.

00:23:39.000 And then the technology, the surveillance, track and trace the QR codes.

00:23:46.000 You want you as if you're a bag of lettuce now.

00:23:49.000 In Germany, they're doing that and they're one inch away from doing that here.

00:23:53.000 I mean, imagine if he had that technology.

00:23:56.000 You can't escape it.

00:23:57.000 And while medical freedom is the most important issue, bodily autonomy, but this branches out to everything, food, fuel.

00:24:05.000 There's nothing they can't and will not do.

00:24:08.000 And before I used to think these guys were lunatics, but now after seeing this and experiencing this, we need to realize, oh, we ought to take them at their word.

00:24:18.000 This is hard for some people to stomach, guys.

00:24:20.000 I keep going back to this because I know that they're going to say, wait a second, you're trying to tell me that they staffed governments.

00:24:25.000 Well, it's not like we have Klaus Schwab saying that, right, Steve?

00:24:27.000 Yeah, except for all of the famous elite politicians in every country, including our own, that they fed out there in Davos a few times a year.

00:24:35.000 Except for all those people they staffed.

00:24:37.000 Yes, they haven't staffed anybody, Charlie.

00:24:38.000 You're correct.

00:24:39.000 Daniel.

00:24:41.000 Look, the reality is this didn't happen overnight.

00:24:44.000 They created this over time and it festered and festered.

00:24:49.000 And eventually the plan went kinetic.

00:24:51.000 When you read this book, you will realize that it could not have been born out of a mistake or naivety or even stupidity that you put everything together.

00:24:59.000 They knew this from day one with the clinical trial.

00:25:02.000 We have victims of the clinical trial that attest to it.

00:25:05.000 We have victims in the hospitals who attest to this, as well as experts on all of the data.

00:25:10.000 The bottom line is the most important principle was established that you walking in locomotion without doing anything could be a threat to another human being unless you take an action against your body.

00:25:22.000 We have now learned there is no legal, moral, or scientific rationale for that to be true.

00:25:27.000 And that needs to be uprooted from the body of law, politics, and society.

00:25:32.000 Daniel, is this the beginning or the end of their plans?

00:25:35.000 You know, I take Claus Schwab at his word when he says this was the great reset.

00:25:39.000 It's funny how he had that book out a couple of minutes after something that shocked everyone else, but he didn't seem too shocked by it.

00:25:47.000 He calls it the fourth industrial revolution.

00:25:48.000 It's the fourth Reich.

00:25:49.000 It's the mixture of transhumanism, insane technology, artificial intelligence, you have no rights, you have nothing, and you'll be happy with it, public-private partnerships, and every Western government joining in with it.

00:26:03.000 So they started with medical freedom because they understand that people fear pathogens.

00:26:08.000 The bottom line is, even though polling showed 60, 70% would say, hey, you know, I believe in global warming, but people didn't really feel it in their bones or fear it in their hearts.

00:26:20.000 Pathogens people do fear.

00:26:21.000 And I think we saw that.

00:26:23.000 What I found fascinating from day one is every left-wing agenda item, usually it's opposed unanimously by the right.

00:26:32.000 But when it came to COVID fascism, 100% of the left bought into it.

00:26:36.000 And I'd say, depending on the time period in place, 50, 60% of Republicans bought into it as well.

00:26:42.000 So it shows you how successful it was.

00:26:44.000 That was the hook to imbue in society that everything could be done executively without oversight, without hearings, without legislative authority, without statutory authority, how people must be ready to sacrifice, surrender their bodies.

00:26:59.000 This is what we do, tracing, testing, treatment, vaccines.

00:27:05.000 This is the new norm.

00:27:07.000 And then they had the lockdown as the bogeyman to show that, hey, headed forward, you don't want that.

00:27:12.000 Remember that?

00:27:13.000 Right.

00:27:13.000 You don't want that.

00:27:14.000 Here are the things you need to do to avoid that.

00:27:17.000 This was the beginning.

00:27:19.000 Steve, you know, I tell people, the deeper you dive into this stuff, at first you're going to be scared.

00:27:26.000 You're going to be fearful.

00:27:27.000 You're going to be confused.

00:27:29.000 But you'll actually get a place of comfort the more you research, the more you learn.

00:27:33.000 Let's talk about solutions here for the last 10 minutes, about how we actually overthrow the Fourth Reich, how we smash their regime or what they're trying to do.

00:27:43.000 I believe one of the most important things is to learn and to research.

00:27:47.000 There's an old proverb, which is you cannot go about fixing something you do not understand.

00:27:52.000 Pretty simple, right?

00:27:53.000 It's rather self-evident.

00:27:55.000 Your thoughts, Steve, how do we win this war?

00:27:58.000 Well, I'll talk about that generally.

00:28:00.000 And then I want Daniel to get into the specifics because that's really his brainchild in the book is the appendix of specific things you can take to your state legislator, your congressman, and say, hey, here's the things we need to do.

00:28:10.000 But there's a couple of broad points that, and one of them you just touched on.

00:28:14.000 When I got into this business, brother, I didn't know a T-cell from a T-bone.

00:28:17.000 Okay.

00:28:18.000 I didn't get into this.

00:28:20.000 I didn't know what a seroprevalence was.

00:28:22.000 I didn't get into this for any of that.

00:28:24.000 But it was incumbent upon me.

00:28:26.000 I had a moral responsibility to research heavily the subject matter that we were discussing.

00:28:32.000 I think a lot of our people, frankly, Charlie, have just outsourced all of this.

00:28:35.000 I totally agree.

00:28:37.000 And forgotten that self-government begins with the self.

00:28:39.000 And here's the great irony.

00:28:40.000 And I think this is, if there's a reason I have survived on Twitter when so many of the others, Daniel included, have gotten blown out of here, it's because I have just tried to remain extremely disciplined in only responding to their own data and only sharing their own data because their own data is bad enough.

00:28:59.000 Their own stuff is bad enough.

00:29:00.000 And they put it out there for you.

00:29:02.000 They just think that most of our people won't read beyond the lower third on a cable news channel or the headline that they clicked on.

00:29:09.000 They won't look at the actual details within the story.

00:29:12.000 And so they can just have some, you know, Stephanie Rule and MSNBC just come on and say something totally contrary to the facts of the story that she's talking about.

00:29:20.000 But you'll just go with it because that's what the talking head or the graphic says.

00:29:24.000 Our people are going to have to learn to put in a little bit more legwork here into citizenship and stop outsourcing it.

00:29:30.000 And that's number one.

00:29:31.000 Number two, and Daniel can get in here next with a lot of great specific ideas, but here's the thing to remember, no matter how great those ideas are, we are not a nation of laws and we never have been.

00:29:42.000 We are a nation of political will and we always will be.

00:29:44.000 I'll give you an example of that.

00:29:46.000 Only 2% of American parents injected that poison into their kids.

00:29:50.000 All right.

00:29:52.000 If 20 or 25% had done it, I promise you.

00:29:55.000 I didn't know that.

00:29:55.000 2% of parents.

00:29:56.000 2%.

00:29:56.000 Yeah, they're small.

00:29:57.000 When I should say they're toddlers.

00:29:59.000 Yes.

00:29:59.000 Okay.

00:30:00.000 If you count teenagers, that number has got to be higher.

00:30:03.000 Correct.

00:30:03.000 I meant to say small kids.

00:30:04.000 Okay.

00:30:05.000 But here's why that number matters.

00:30:07.000 If they had started with a baseline of, say, 20%, I promise this would have come next.

00:30:12.000 You cannot, federal policy, you cannot send your child into any education building that receives any federal funding, including a daycare that gets head that has Head Start.

00:30:21.000 Okay.

00:30:21.000 Nothing that receives any federal funding unless you inject them with this poison because they would have figured we start with a baseline of 20.

00:30:28.000 We just lie to our people on our channels to get the next 20%.

00:30:31.000 And then we just force everybody else by virtue of you've got to actually take care of your own kids if you don't do this and they'll buckle.

00:30:37.000 But because they started with a baseline of two, they had nowhere to go.

00:30:41.000 And we never even got to those secondary tertiary plans.

00:30:44.000 We need to learn to become ungovernable by these entities.

00:30:47.000 We are ungovernable by the spirit of the age.

00:30:49.000 We won't comply with any of this anymore.

00:30:52.000 And so many of us are non-compliant that you couldn't enforce your fevered dreams, even if you wanted to.

00:30:58.000 Our people need to learn to do that, need to stop trusting institutions that because they still have a picture of Moses bringing the 10 commandments down from the mountain, that still means that that's the America of old.

00:31:09.000 It is not.

00:31:10.000 All right.

00:31:10.000 Judge the tree by its fruit, not its dead relics, okay?

00:31:14.000 And learn to become ungovernable.

00:31:16.000 Learn to understand: hey, when Donald Trump took office in January of 2017, there were fewer elected Democrats in public office in this country, federal, state, and local, than there had been in 100 years since before the Great Depression.

00:31:29.000 San Francisco didn't say, oh, snap, Trump's president.

00:31:34.000 Stop being communist, I guess.

00:31:35.000 No, man.

00:31:36.000 They just kept San Francisco wing.

00:31:37.000 They didn't freaking care.

00:31:38.000 All right.

00:31:39.000 Why does Birmingham, Alabama care if Joe Biden is president?

00:31:43.000 Why does Lexington, Kentucky care?

00:31:45.000 Why does Charleston, West Virginia care?

00:31:48.000 You see my point?

00:31:49.000 Learn to become ungovernable by the spirit of the age.

00:31:53.000 Daniel.

00:31:55.000 Hey, look, Charlie, what I would do, and Steve and I wrote this in the last chapter.

00:32:00.000 We set out to show exactly how you erect that firewall around human rights against medical fascism, bio medical tyranny ever again by imbuing that culture and that knowledge in the county legislatures, the state legislatures.

00:32:19.000 It starts off with a resolution of repentance, an acknowledgement that what was done was wrong, and an affirmation of very specific rights.

00:32:28.000 And I have language in there how to do that.

00:32:31.000 As I mentioned before, the single most important thing is the notion that a person has the right to live and access public accommodation without having to take affirmative medical devices or products or injections or treatments on his own body.

00:32:48.000 Let me be very clear.

00:32:49.000 It's not a right to something, it's freedom from.

00:32:52.000 I could never hurt you by not taking an intervention because if it's great, by definition, you could take that intervention.

00:33:00.000 And that's what we learned.

00:33:01.000 So, as such, any mask or vaccine mandate, public or private, it needs to be permanently banned.

00:33:10.000 We propose a state constitutional amendment.

00:33:12.000 Federal constitutional amendments are very difficult, but in these supermajority red states, they could pass it most of them in one session.

00:33:20.000 I have language in there, proposed language for it.

00:33:23.000 They could do that.

00:33:24.000 Done.

00:33:24.000 It could never be done again.

00:33:25.000 And that pulls the rug out from under them.

00:33:29.000 At a federal level, we need to really rally behind.

00:33:33.000 If these things are safe, it's time to put your money where your mouth is and to absolve of liability, at least any product that the government countenances, indulges in any way.

00:33:45.000 It funds it, it markets it, it distributes it, it endorses, not just licenses it or approves it.

00:33:53.000 It must be subject to the base degree of liability that Toyota would have for their airbags that are always being recalled, things like that.

00:34:03.000 They must be, that is a violation of basic human rights.

00:34:08.000 The fact that there is no way to get legal discovery based on that, repealing the 1986 Act, repealing the PrEP Act of 2005, that they could declare an emergency and anything done, any testing, any treatment, anything, you know, what was done in the nursing homes is covered under the PrEP Act.

00:34:27.000 How we have emerged from the last two and a half years without anyone even campaigning on this is shocking.

00:34:33.000 And obviously, emergency powers must be made at a state and county level.

00:34:37.000 You could do this easily in red states.

00:34:39.000 A couple have done it to an extent.

00:34:41.000 This is not the 1800s.

00:34:43.000 It takes a second to get into session.

00:34:45.000 Okay, we have cars.

00:34:46.000 The legislatures could come in.

00:34:48.000 You don't need executive power.

00:34:50.000 There should be no more than seven days of emergency authority for anything without convening a legislative body.

00:34:57.000 Final thoughts, Steve, on the book, what people need to know.

00:35:00.000 And also just curious, why does it not come out until next year?

00:35:04.000 Well, because of the Let's Go branding economy, we've got shortages in paper, glue, everything.

00:35:10.000 And so there's two reasons why we started pre-sale so early.

00:35:14.000 Number one, trying to gauge interest, because if we don't print enough, you're looking at three to four months of lag time to fulfill that inventory.

00:35:23.000 There's another reason, though.

00:35:24.000 We wanted to test the censorship, Charlie.

00:35:27.000 We wanted to see just how far we could push Amazon, where 83% of every book in all books in America are sold via Amazon.

00:35:34.000 Okay.

00:35:35.000 And so we have an alternative sales means via a platform as large as the Blaze that if we were to get censored and banned, we could just store them there and sell them to people through there.

00:35:45.000 But if they banned us when the book came out, then we would be caught kind of with our knickers down.

00:35:50.000 If we find out now, and that's also why we put the opening chapter out, we wanted, we put it out there with all the, all, with all of its provocative content to test the system.

00:35:59.000 Will they try to censor it?

00:36:01.000 Because that would give us enough time to come up with a backup distribution system comparable to the traditional one.

00:36:07.000 It's terrible that in America, we have to make these sorts of considerations into our business plans these days.

00:36:14.000 But we live in an era where we were told, we were just told this week, a billionaire was going to sell nuclear secrets to other countries that were so important to go and get from his private residence.

00:36:26.000 They took several weeks to mull over whether or not they were going to be able to do it.

00:36:28.000 So they took a year and a half to realize they were missing.

00:36:30.000 Yeah, super important.

00:36:32.000 Yes, exactly.

00:36:33.000 Yes.

00:36:34.000 Daniel.

00:36:35.000 And Charlie, let's not forget when we talk about the supply chains, glue and paper, that's also a legacy of COVID fascism.

00:36:46.000 I don't want to hear about all the Biden economy, taxes, regulation.

00:36:50.000 I mean, some of that exacerbated it.

00:36:52.000 This has its roots all in COVID fascism.

00:36:56.000 Everything they are going to do to you, the FBI, the notion that we could declare you a threat and boom, you have no rights.

00:37:02.000 It all came from that revolution in March 2020.

00:37:06.000 We have to recognize what it is, the rise of the Fourth Reich.

00:37:09.000 We need to confront it with that Nuremberg trial and we need to reaffirm human rights in a new Nuremberg code to make sure it never happens again.

00:37:16.000 There's so much more I could talk to you guys, but we're out of time.

00:37:18.000 Thank you guys so much.

00:37:19.000 Steve Dace and Daniel Horowitz, Rise of the Third Reich.

00:37:21.000 Pre-order it right now and go to trialandexecutions.com.

00:37:25.000 It's a phenomenal book.

00:37:27.000 I actually have an advanced copy and I'm really enjoying it.

00:37:29.000 God bless you guys.

00:37:30.000 Thanks so much.

00:37:31.000 Thanks, man.

00:37:31.000 God bless.

00:37:34.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:37:35.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:38.000 Thanks so much.

00:37:39.000 Talk to you soon.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 17, 2022

The Rise of the Fourth Reich with Steve Deace and Daniel Horowitz

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