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00:02:06.000And there is a moral distinction between the targets that Israel is going after and hitting and the targets that Iran is going after and hitting.
00:02:15.000I saw my great friend Dennis Prager in the hospital, and he's fighting, and he's doing better.
00:02:21.000He's still in a tough spot, but he is doing better.
00:02:24.000And he was able to actually speak to me, which was phenomenal.
00:02:27.000I saw him the other day, and he said, Charlie, I watch your show every single day, and we should pray for Dennis.
00:02:32.000He says, even if it is two sentences, please, please, this was his plea to me, please remind people the moral difference between Iran and Israel.
00:03:00.000So the Israeli government is starting to signal alongside U.S. lawmakers, who are doing more than signal, they're just saying it, that we need regime change.
00:04:06.000I'm here in Washington, D.C., having a lot of different meetings.
00:04:10.000Meeting with a lot of different people.
00:04:12.000And I can tell you, President Trump, he is made for the high-stakes, high-pressure situation.
00:04:20.000And I trust President Trump to be able to solve this.
00:04:24.000After COVID, though, and after we've seen with all of the misleading narratives, I have been trained to challenge assumptions and to ask critical questions.
00:04:34.000And I do have some questions that I would like the Israeli government or for some people to answer.
00:04:42.000If Fordow is bombed by either the Israelis' commandos or the United States' bunker busters, will it totally take out Iranian nuclear capacity?
00:05:27.000We have destroyed or Israeli has destroyed the uranium enrichment.
00:05:34.000How much uranium has already been enriched?
00:05:37.000I don't know the answer to that, but I think it's interesting.
00:05:40.000What assurances can we as Americans have that a bombing of such a facility will result in no nukes for Iran?
00:05:49.000I don't know the answer to these questions.
00:05:52.000And will that end the program permanently or buy us time?
00:05:58.000And President Trump has been so consistent here.
00:06:01.000For 10 years, he's talked about nuclear, nuclear, nuclear.
00:06:05.000In fact, can you guys find a piece of tape here?
00:06:07.000Not about the Iranian nuclear program, but President Trump talks about his uncle who worked at MIT, and he talks about just the impact of nuclear.
00:06:16.000Do you remember in the first campaign, especially in 2016, he would go on five or six or seven minute rants about how horrific nuclear is?
00:06:26.000I think Blake knows what I'm talking about here.
00:06:28.000He would go on the, he has been so contentious.
00:06:57.000A nuclear bomb in the wrong hands and how it changes all the cards in the region and how you must take a country more seriously, even though they're a bunch of maniacs, when they do not have a nuclear bomb.
00:07:13.000Some people I talk to on the street and in the grassroots have the impression, and I don't know if this impression is true or not, that bombing Fordow will be a permanent setback.
00:08:33.000That's not the argument that I'm making.
00:08:34.000The argument I'm making is that if a country wants to have nuclear weapons, it appears that you could actually get to nuclear weapons.
00:08:42.000And that it's not just a technical capability argument, it's that...
00:08:56.000Therefore, does that beg the question for the removal of a regime?
00:09:01.000Do all of these arguments and all of these roads lead to regime change?
00:09:06.000And I do want to say, though, we started the argument about a week ago saying that Some people were saying, this is Israel's war, just let them bomb nuclear targets and get out.
00:09:19.000Why is it that some people are now saying, well, now we need to bomb the Ayatollah because the Ayatollah is actually the nuclear program?
00:09:30.000Those are two different arguments, actually.
00:09:32.000Now, they'll say they're the same argument, which actually, bizarrely, it is the same argument, but it's actually very different.
00:09:46.000Because in the modern era, even a poor country that can put all of its resources together can get at least in the process towards a bomb.
00:09:57.000And I guess my question is, how many of you in this audience want to believe that it could be taken out solely from the air when is there a reality that it actually only gets changed?
00:11:01.000But to do what Lindsey Graham is saying, and saying that we have to go take out the Ayatollah, bomb the oil fields, Take out the electricity and just do complete regime change by force.
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00:13:26.000Why is Iran holding on to these nuclear weapons?
00:13:30.000Well, first, I'm going to tell you about Libya.
00:13:33.000Remember with Muammar Gaddafi, which, by the way, was regime change thanks to Hillary Rodham Clinton and the entire U.S. State Department, one of the greatest failures in the Middle East, and Libya is still in civil war.
00:13:44.000And Libya was in revolt at the time, but Gaddafi voluntarily gave up his nuclear program.
00:13:53.000Gaddafi voluntarily gave up his nuclear ambitions.
00:14:22.000Hence Dick Cheney promising us that we'll be welcomed as liberators.
00:14:26.000But when you just go and blow things up and blow up a basically stable regime, which I'm not saying the Iranian regime is basically stable, you unleash a lot of forces that you can't control.
00:14:36.000That is why the population of Iran matters a lot.
00:14:41.000There's no clear popular legitimacy for whatever replaces it.
00:14:45.000Any outsider regime usually involves installing exiles from abroad.
00:14:50.000Who often prove really unpopular with the natives, like the Shah was.
00:14:58.000And Iraq has several different ethnic groups.
00:15:01.000And again, if the people of Iran want to have a bottom-up revolution and Persia wants to be Persian again, great, fine.
00:15:07.000But Iran is holding on to their nuclear weapon because they've looked at Iraq and Libya, they say, oh really, you must be a sucker to want to give up your weapons of mass destruction.
00:15:50.000When the U.S. government and NATO helped overthrow Gaddafi and destroy Libya after he voluntarily gave up his weapons of mass destruction in good faith, they communicated to every regime on Earth to never give up their weapon programs and never negotiate with the United States.
00:16:03.000That one act did more to set back non-proliferation than potentially any single moment in modern history.
00:16:10.000Iraq showed that American intelligence was not to be believed, Libya showed that America and NATO were not to be trusted, and Afghanistan showed that America was not to be feared.
00:16:19.000Any of the disagreement that you're seeing right now is the fruits of a 30-year failed neoconservative project.
00:16:26.000And we are reckoning with those mistakes now, and those forces are still on the hill, like Lindsey Graham and James Lankford calling for a regime change war.
00:16:35.000Because then once you have regime change, you break it, you buy it.
00:16:38.000Now, if Israel is going to do regime change, obviously they have the right to do that.
00:16:59.000What happens if you have a more charismatic leader that now has 2,000 ballistic missiles and that leader says, I want a bomb in six months?
00:17:22.000The fact that I don't know, and you don't know, and Iran doesn't know, is the greatest power he could possibly exercise over these maniacs.
00:17:35.000The fact the U.S. military could blow Tehran to smithereens and he's saying, get out of Tehran now, that's power.
00:17:43.000And President Trump means it when he says it.
00:17:47.000And President Donald Trump is balancing all of these things, and he and only he is positioned to be able to solve this problem.
00:17:56.000He has earned our trust, and we should continue to give it to him.
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00:19:00.000Joining us now is one of my favorite things People in politics and commentary.
00:19:10.000His takes are phenomenal on X and his podcast, and he deserves a lot of credit.
00:19:16.000We're going to talk about a victory, a victory that the grassroots deserves credit for, that President Trump deserves credit for, and also our guest, Matt Walsh.
00:19:24.000Matt Walsh is the host of The Matt Walsh Show, filmmaker of Am I a Racist and What is a Woman?
00:19:33.000You know, I was a little concerned that you would start this segment without wishing me a happy Juneteenth, but thank you for acknowledging this very important message.
00:19:42.000As podcasters, we're crucial to the ongoing functioning of the United States, but that doesn't mean that I'm not celebrating this really important day.
00:19:51.000Somebody has to fund the reparations and that will be us.
00:19:55.000So Matt, there was a huge victory yesterday at the Supreme Court that really was Walk our audience through this triumph at the Supreme Court yesterday.
00:20:14.000Yeah, this was a huge, I think, historic win at the Supreme Court.
00:20:21.000Which the Supreme Court found that our law that was passed here in Tennessee banning the mutilation of children in the name of quote-unquote gender affirmation or gender transition, they found that that law is valid, that that law is not unconstitutional, that we in fact do have the right in Tennessee to regulate and ban these kinds of barbaric practices, which means of course also that The dozens of states across the country that have passed similar bans, those bans will stand now.
00:20:51.000And it also means, most importantly, really, that there's no excuse for the Republicans in Congress right now to not pass a federal ban.
00:21:00.000So all of those things are now totally on the table.
00:21:03.000This was a crushing defeat for the trans lobby, for the trans activists.
00:21:08.000And I think for the gender transition industry, the gender butchery industry, this was...
00:21:20.000I think this was the fatal, this was the death blow to the gender butchery industry.
00:21:30.000I think I understand that, but this now allows states to pass similar laws.
00:21:33.000It's not yet a nationwide ban, and it's very clear that the Supreme Court did not weigh in Child mutilation or gender transition.
00:21:46.000They did just say that this does not impact the Equal Protection Clause.
00:21:52.000So explain that a little bit further, Matt, and give the argument a little bit deeper as to why this is a death nail in the coffin of the trans-industrial complex.
00:22:02.000Right, the Supreme Court didn't find Now, I think they could have found that.
00:22:16.000I think that actually, not only is it not unconstitutional to ban the practices, but the practices themselves are unconstitutional because they infringe on the human rights of children.
00:22:44.000But their argument, such as it was, was that this was somehow an infringement on the Equal Protection Clause because it discriminates the laws that ban these procedures, discriminate based on sex, which makes no sense for so many reasons.
00:23:01.000Starting with the fact that it doesn't do that, actually.
00:23:04.000What the law says is that you cannot castrate and mutilate a child for the sake of changing their gender, no matter the sex of the child.
00:23:13.000It doesn't matter if the child is male or female.
00:23:15.000So it doesn't discriminate based on sex.
00:23:17.000And also, and this was an important point, and you find this in the majority opinion, and this was something that during the arguments came up quite a bit, which is that okay, if this is somehow unconstitutional, it's a violation of the legal protection clause, then it must be discriminating based on some sort of immutable characteristic.
00:23:37.000But the problem is that even the pro-trans side will tell you that transgenderism, if it even exists, if it's really a thing at all, which it isn't, but if it is, even according to them, It can change by the day.
00:23:50.000If I wake up today and say that I'm a woman, then I am.
00:23:53.000If I wake up tomorrow and say I'm a man, then I'm a man.
00:23:56.000So even according to them, it's not an immutable characteristic.
00:23:59.000So the whole argument just doesn't work.
00:24:02.000And the reason why I think it's the nail in the coffin, the fatal blow, And trans activists for years have been very confident.
00:24:16.000As the tide turned against them culturally, and dozens of states passed these laws, they were very confident because they said, hey, the courts will bail us out.
00:24:38.000Now they have to go on a level playing field, right?
00:24:43.000And they have to actually make the argument for why we should be chemically castrating children.
00:24:48.000And they can't win the argument because the argument's insane.
00:24:51.000I mean, this is not even an 80-20 issue.
00:24:53.000I think this is like a 95-5 issue, really.
00:24:55.000The number of Americans who actually think it's okay to chemically castrate children is vanishingly small.
00:25:00.000And so their only hope was some sort of bailout from the courts, and it didn't happen.
00:25:06.000So this still allows blue states to continue their butchery and these trans-sanctuary states.
00:25:14.000What does this mean for the nationwide ban that you and I are seeking, including President Trump's phenomenal executive order that he wrote that is now currently in the courts somewhere?
00:25:30.000And how are we going to advance a nationwide ban and bring that to reality?
00:25:36.000Well, I think Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene already has a bill that she wrote that codifies Trump's executive order on this exact issue.
00:25:43.000And the way that it impacts it is that it means that there's no reason not to do it.
00:26:08.000So this is a total winner for Republicans, and you have to do it, because as you point out, you've got these so-called trans-sanctuary states like California.
00:26:15.000And listen, we're protecting kids in Tennessee, and that's fantastic.
00:26:20.000Children in California have to be protected, too.
00:26:23.000The fact that a child happened to be born, was cursed with being born in California, shouldn't mean that now they're going to get chemically castrated and butchered and injured for the rest of their life in these permanent ways.
00:26:39.000And it's a total winner because what it means is that the Democrats are going to have to get up and they're going to have to make the case on the record.
00:26:50.000For why it's okay to cut the breasts off of 15-year-old girls and castrate 12-year-old boys.
00:26:54.000And I'll tell you right now, they don't want to do that.
00:27:08.000You saw Elizabeth Warren come out yesterday saying that this was insensitive to young kids and their parents.
00:27:15.000Okay, let's have that debate out and open.
00:27:17.000Let's make 2028 or the 2026 midterms partially about whether or not we should have a castrating business in this country that profits off of the removal of genitals.
00:27:30.000How public opinion has switched on this topic the last decade is amazing.
00:27:35.000Can we get Asa Hutchinson on Tucker Carlson?
00:27:41.000That was one of the seminal moments when Asa Hutchinson, neoliberal, called himself a Republican governor of Arkansas, went to defend the chemical castration of children on the Tucker Carlson program like seven or eight years ago, and Tucker called them out.
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00:29:03.000Matt, I do want to ask you about Israel and Iran in a second, but I just want to just put one last question on this.
00:29:09.000First of all, you deserve phenomenal and enormous credit.
00:29:11.000You were fighting on the trans issue before I was, before anybody was, when it was not an 80-20 issue, when Republicans seemed destined for surrender, when Jenner went on the front page, I think, of Vogue magazine, and Republicans were like, oh, that's it.
00:29:41.000Even on the more mainstream prior trans stuff, it's unpopular and just gross and disgusting.
00:29:48.000Matt, walk us through the decades-long journey from 2015 to today on the public opinion battle that you were heavily involved in.
00:29:57.000Yeah, you know, I always say that I don't know that – I think that, you know, if you were to go back to, say, 2019, 2020, and you were to ask, you know, do a poll of everyday Americans and ask them about the trans issue, and should men be allowed in women's sports and bathrooms, and should we be doing these kinds of gender transition procedures to kids, I think you would have found many more people than you'd find today who would answer in the affirmative.
00:30:26.000But I don't think that most of them actually believed that at the time.
00:30:30.000So I don't think that, you know, the trans activists never actually persuaded anyone, or I think they persuaded very few people.
00:30:37.000What was happening for about five, six, seven years is that they successfully scared people into silence.
00:30:45.000They used emotional blackmail very effectively.
00:30:47.000There was this emotional blackmail campaign that was just ruthless and relentless.
00:30:52.000and for a lot of people it just blindsided them and this was being done not just with public not just with the public generally but Parents who'd never even heard of the trans issue, really, were all of a sudden being told that, oh, if you don't let your kid transition, they're going to kill themselves.
00:31:09.000And a lot of parents just didn't know how to respond to that.
00:31:12.000It's like when you're being told that as a parent, it's very jarring.
00:31:16.000I think that's what happened for the first, you know, half of the decade where this fight's been going on is people were scared into silence.
00:31:24.000And then it just became a process of letting people know that it's like, we all know this is not right.
00:31:34.000And it's okay for you to say what you know to be true.
00:31:38.000And the thing is, you know, that's the thing about kind of a mass hysteria is that we've seen this happen with COVID.
00:31:44.000We've seen it happen with BLM and George Floyd.
00:31:46.000We've seen it happen many times over the last decade in particular.
00:31:49.000But the good thing about the mass hysteria, if there could be anything good about it, is that it comes on very quickly, but it can also be broken.
00:32:07.000And then a few people say that, a few other people sort of will meekly stand up and say, yeah, you know, I think he's right.
00:32:12.000And then before you know it, the fever is broken and the mass hysteria has faded away.
00:32:18.000Matt, very quickly, you have an opinion on the Israel-Iran conflict that is shared by a lot of people under the age of 30, not necessarily people in their 50s or 60s.
00:32:42.000That's all that matters to me when it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to foreign conflicts, is how does this affect America?
00:32:47.000And if the United States is going to get involved in any kind of conflict, I need to know that we're doing that.
00:32:52.000Because for American interest, because it is necessary to protect American lives.
00:32:57.000And if it's not necessary for that, if we're doing it, you know, to free some other group of people, if we're doing it for some other country, then I'm not on board with it.
00:34:13.000The difference between bottom-up and top-down, if the Persian people want to take back their government with self-determination and self-government, then God bless them, we'll be cheering for them.
00:34:23.000Have Western-imposed regime change, that will be a catastrophe that we will fight against.