The Charlie Kirk Show - June 19, 2025


The Risks of Regime Change + The Defeat Of The Trans Cult


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00:01:51.000 Okay, a lot happening right now with the Israel-Iran situation.
00:01:57.000 So missiles are going back and forth between Israel and Iran, and more and more civilians are being killed in Israel.
00:02:04.000 A hospital was hit in Israel.
00:02:06.000 And there is a moral distinction between the targets that Israel is going after and hitting and the targets that Iran is going after and hitting. 0.59
00:02:15.000 I saw my great friend Dennis Prager in the hospital, and he's fighting, and he's doing better.
00:02:20.000 He's fighting.
00:02:21.000 He's still in a tough spot, but he is doing better.
00:02:24.000 And he was able to actually speak to me, which was phenomenal.
00:02:27.000 I saw him the other day, and he said, Charlie, I watch your show every single day, and we should pray for Dennis.
00:02:32.000 He says, even if it is two sentences, please, please, this was his plea to me, please remind people the moral difference between Iran and Israel.
00:02:43.000 I said, you're right.
00:02:44.000 Dennis, you're right.
00:02:45.000 I said, I will do that, and I think that's very important.
00:02:49.000 So Iran is targeting hospitals.
00:02:52.000 Israel is targeting military sites and military-adjacent-type institutions.
00:02:58.000 That's very important.
00:03:00.000 So the Israeli government is starting to signal alongside U.S. lawmakers, who are doing more than signal, they're just saying it, that we need regime change.
00:03:09.000 That we need regime change.
00:03:10.000 Now, this is very important.
00:03:13.000 Of course I don't want the mullahs to stay in power. 1.00
00:03:15.000 Nobody in this audience does.
00:03:17.000 No one likes the mullahs.
00:03:18.000 No one is sympathetic.
00:03:19.000 And then some of the smear merchants online say, oh, Charlie Kirk is a defender of the mullahs.
00:03:23.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:03:24.000 You know, in my private time, I think about how we can do our best to strengthen the mullahs.
00:03:32.000 I mean, it's just an outrageous, ridiculous, sloppy accusation.
00:03:37.000 Instead, what we're saying is that mass sudden Destabilization of a regime with no plan in place, no will of the people, does not work.
00:03:54.000 Period.
00:03:56.000 And so here's some questions that I have, and we must repeat, we trust President Trump's judgment completely here.
00:04:04.000 He is a man made for this moment.
00:04:06.000 I'm here in Washington, D.C., having a lot of different meetings.
00:04:10.000 Meeting with a lot of different people.
00:04:12.000 And I can tell you, President Trump, he is made for the high-stakes, high-pressure situation.
00:04:20.000 And I trust President Trump to be able to solve this.
00:04:24.000 After COVID, though, and after we've seen with all of the misleading narratives, I have been trained to challenge assumptions and to ask critical questions.
00:04:34.000 And I do have some questions that I would like the Israeli government or for some people to answer.
00:04:40.000 I think it's very well intended.
00:04:42.000 If Fordow is bombed by either the Israelis' commandos or the United States' bunker busters, will it totally take out Iranian nuclear capacity?
00:04:53.000 And if so, for how long?
00:04:55.000 How hard is it for the Iranian government to build a bomb if you really want to?
00:05:03.000 Was Iran slow walking? 0.82
00:05:06.000 Or were they sprinting towards a bomb the last couple of years?
00:05:11.000 How long does it take to sprint towards a bomb if you really want it?
00:05:17.000 How long does it take to get a bomb if it's your number one priority of a government?
00:05:22.000 I'm curious.
00:05:23.000 I don't know.
00:05:25.000 Here's another question.
00:05:27.000 We have destroyed or Israeli has destroyed the uranium enrichment. 0.89
00:05:34.000 How much uranium has already been enriched?
00:05:37.000 I don't know the answer to that, but I think it's interesting.
00:05:40.000 What assurances can we as Americans have that a bombing of such a facility will result in no nukes for Iran? 0.96
00:05:49.000 I don't know the answer to these questions.
00:05:52.000 And will that end the program permanently or buy us time?
00:05:58.000 And President Trump has been so consistent here.
00:06:01.000 For 10 years, he's talked about nuclear, nuclear, nuclear.
00:06:05.000 In fact, can you guys find a piece of tape here?
00:06:07.000 Not about the Iranian nuclear program, but President Trump talks about his uncle who worked at MIT, and he talks about just the impact of nuclear.
00:06:16.000 Do you remember in the first campaign, especially in 2016, he would go on five or six or seven minute rants about how horrific nuclear is?
00:06:26.000 I think Blake knows what I'm talking about here.
00:06:28.000 He would go on the, he has been so contentious.
00:06:37.000 That's right.
00:06:38.000 President Trump used to talk about how his uncle, Dr. John Trump, who was a nuclear doctor at MIT.
00:06:42.000 I'm right.
00:06:43.000 It's an unbelievable clip.
00:06:45.000 He would say it repeatedly.
00:06:47.000 And President Trump, this was a formative geopolitical experience for him when he was growing up.
00:06:54.000 Of how dangerous and significant.
00:06:57.000 A nuclear bomb in the wrong hands and how it changes all the cards in the region and how you must take a country more seriously, even though they're a bunch of maniacs, when they do not have a nuclear bomb.
00:07:10.000 Look at North Korea. 0.69
00:07:13.000 Some people I talk to on the street and in the grassroots have the impression, and I don't know if this impression is true or not, that bombing Fordow will be a permanent setback.
00:07:25.000 For the Iranian nuclear program.
00:07:28.000 That it's gone forever.
00:07:30.000 However, there are comments from the Israeli government in the last couple of days.
00:07:35.000 They've said that, and I'm paraphrasing, that a nuclear program is a mindset.
00:07:41.000 That this is all just about buying time.
00:07:45.000 Well, that's interesting.
00:07:46.000 If you're saying that a nuclear program is just a mindset, then you're saying that a nuclear program is just a mindset.
00:07:56.000 And in some ways, you can actually, all those roads end at regime change.
00:08:03.000 That's one of the reasons why I have been so outspoken against regime change the last couple of days.
00:08:10.000 And I don't know the answer to these questions, but I do know that Pakistan, which is...
00:08:26.000 So if Pakistan, because they have them because India has them, and I'm not even saying that Pakistan shouldn't have them.
00:08:32.000 I know Pakistan hasn't threatened us.
00:08:33.000 That's not the argument that I'm making.
00:08:34.000 The argument I'm making is that if a country wants to have nuclear weapons, it appears that you could actually get to nuclear weapons.
00:08:42.000 And that it's not just a technical capability argument, it's that...
00:08:56.000 Therefore, does that beg the question for the removal of a regime?
00:09:01.000 Do all of these arguments and all of these roads lead to regime change?
00:09:06.000 And I do want to say, though, we started the argument about a week ago saying that Some people were saying, this is Israel's war, just let them bomb nuclear targets and get out.
00:09:19.000 Why is it that some people are now saying, well, now we need to bomb the Ayatollah because the Ayatollah is actually the nuclear program?
00:09:30.000 Those are two different arguments, actually.
00:09:32.000 Now, they'll say they're the same argument, which actually, bizarrely, it is the same argument, but it's actually very different.
00:09:39.000 Because a nuclear program...
00:09:46.000 Because in the modern era, even a poor country that can put all of its resources together can get at least in the process towards a bomb.
00:09:57.000 And I guess my question is, how many of you in this audience want to believe that it could be taken out solely from the air when is there a reality that it actually only gets changed?
00:10:11.000 When the regime gets toppled over.
00:10:13.000 And that's when we're getting into highly risky, very, very dangerous grounds.
00:10:22.000 When we are starting to get into terrain where we want to, as a Western nation, impose and displace and have a regime change war.
00:10:33.000 Now, if the Persian people want to rise up and exercise self-determination, And they want to take back their government?
00:10:42.000 We'll be the biggest cheerleaders for them.
00:10:43.000 Of course we will.
00:10:45.000 It's not even a question.
00:10:47.000 In fact, I might even entertain, okay, you can offer internet service.
00:10:52.000 You could do a little bit of nudging type stuff if you're seeing the demonstrations are not radically Islamic, by the way.
00:10:58.000 These are prudent decisions.
00:11:01.000 But to do what Lindsey Graham is saying, and saying that we have to go take out the Ayatollah, bomb the oil fields, Take out the electricity and just do complete regime change by force.
00:11:13.000 I'm sorry, look at Libya. 0.55
00:11:15.000 And there is another component here that people are missing.
00:11:19.000 Why do you think Iran is holding on to their nuclear weapons so much?
00:11:24.000 It's actually not in their best interest.
00:11:26.000 Well, it actually is.
00:11:27.000 There is one major reason why Iran refuses to give up their nuclear program.
00:11:32.000 Voluntarily.
00:11:33.000 You know why?
00:11:34.000 Libya.
00:11:36.000 I'll explain more in a second.
00:11:37.000 But first, Play cut 374.
00:11:40.000 I had an uncle, a great professor at MIT for many years.
00:11:44.000 We used to talk about nuclear a lot.
00:11:45.000 He understood nuclear very well.
00:11:47.000 And even then, that was many years ago, my father's brother, Dr. John Trump.
00:11:52.000 And I think he was the longest serving professor in the history of MIT.
00:11:57.000 I think 41 years.
00:11:58.000 Very smart.
00:11:59.000 We used to talk about nuclear.
00:12:01.000 And he used to talk about the power of nuclear.
00:12:03.000 And I'd say, Uncle John, you're done.
00:12:06.000 Where a briefcase, the size of a regular briefcase, would do damage that I don't even want to discuss.
00:12:13.000 And we're a long way from that in terms of the advancement of that technology.
00:12:18.000 And it's very bad, very scary.
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00:13:26.000 Why is Iran holding on to these nuclear weapons?
00:13:30.000 Well, first, I'm going to tell you about Libya.
00:13:33.000 Remember with Muammar Gaddafi, which, by the way, was regime change thanks to Hillary Rodham Clinton and the entire U.S. State Department, one of the greatest failures in the Middle East, and Libya is still in civil war.
00:13:44.000 And Libya was in revolt at the time, but Gaddafi voluntarily gave up his nuclear program.
00:13:53.000 Gaddafi voluntarily gave up his nuclear ambitions.
00:13:57.000 And what did that result in?
00:14:00.000 That resulted in him being literally sodomized and thrown in the streets.
00:14:08.000 That was a signal to all of the Middle East that if you voluntarily give up your nuclear program, you lose all your cards. 0.54
00:14:16.000 Iraq is a similar situation.
00:14:19.000 Saddam was not popular.
00:14:21.000 He was awful.
00:14:22.000 Hence Dick Cheney promising us that we'll be welcomed as liberators.
00:14:26.000 But when you just go and blow things up and blow up a basically stable regime, which I'm not saying the Iranian regime is basically stable, you unleash a lot of forces that you can't control. 0.94
00:14:36.000 That is why the population of Iran matters a lot.
00:14:41.000 There's no clear popular legitimacy for whatever replaces it.
00:14:45.000 Any outsider regime usually involves installing exiles from abroad.
00:14:50.000 Who often prove really unpopular with the natives, like the Shah was. 0.99
00:14:54.000 And that happened in Iraq big time.
00:14:58.000 And Iraq has several different ethnic groups.
00:15:01.000 And again, if the people of Iran want to have a bottom-up revolution and Persia wants to be Persian again, great, fine. 0.84
00:15:07.000 But Iran is holding on to their nuclear weapon because they've looked at Iraq and Libya, they say, oh really, you must be a sucker to want to give up your weapons of mass destruction.
00:15:20.000 Look at Libya. 0.68
00:15:21.000 You give up your program voluntarily, you go get sodomized because we lied to Gaddafi. 0.97
00:15:26.000 We told Gaddafi, you give up your nuclear weapons and we're going to be fine. 0.67
00:15:33.000 Instead, it's, oh, you give up your nuclear weapons and you're going to go get sodomized. 0.97
00:15:40.000 Secondly, it's one of the few rallying cries that Iran has to maintain legitimacy.
00:15:49.000 This is from Sean Davis.
00:15:50.000 When the U.S. government and NATO helped overthrow Gaddafi and destroy Libya after he voluntarily gave up his weapons of mass destruction in good faith, they communicated to every regime on Earth to never give up their weapon programs and never negotiate with the United States.
00:16:03.000 That one act did more to set back non-proliferation than potentially any single moment in modern history.
00:16:10.000 Iraq showed that American intelligence was not to be believed, Libya showed that America and NATO were not to be trusted, and Afghanistan showed that America was not to be feared.
00:16:18.000 It's beautifully said.
00:16:19.000 Any of the disagreement that you're seeing right now is the fruits of a 30-year failed neoconservative project.
00:16:26.000 And we are reckoning with those mistakes now, and those forces are still on the hill, like Lindsey Graham and James Lankford calling for a regime change war.
00:16:35.000 Because then once you have regime change, you break it, you buy it.
00:16:38.000 Now, if Israel is going to do regime change, obviously they have the right to do that. 0.90
00:16:42.000 But is that going to suck America in? 0.97
00:16:45.000 If Israel does regime change, Who's going to take the refugees? 1.00
00:16:50.000 How many refugees will there be?
00:16:52.000 What happens if a worse leader takes over?
00:16:56.000 Iran.
00:16:57.000 It's a real question.
00:16:59.000 What happens if you have a more charismatic leader that now has 2,000 ballistic missiles and that leader says, I want a bomb in six months?
00:17:09.000 What do we do then?
00:17:10.000 This is why how President Trump is handling it is perfect.
00:17:13.000 You do not know what President Trump is going to do.
00:17:15.000 And let me kind of cue you in on something.
00:17:18.000 The unpredictability is the point.
00:17:22.000 The fact that I don't know, and you don't know, and Iran doesn't know, is the greatest power he could possibly exercise over these maniacs. 0.67
00:17:35.000 The fact the U.S. military could blow Tehran to smithereens and he's saying, get out of Tehran now, that's power. 0.68
00:17:43.000 And President Trump means it when he says it.
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00:19:00.000 Joining us now is one of my favorite things People in politics and commentary.
00:19:10.000 His takes are phenomenal on X and his podcast, and he deserves a lot of credit.
00:19:16.000 We're going to talk about a victory, a victory that the grassroots deserves credit for, that President Trump deserves credit for, and also our guest, Matt Walsh.
00:19:24.000 Matt Walsh is the host of The Matt Walsh Show, filmmaker of Am I a Racist and What is a Woman?
00:19:29.000 First up, Matt, it is Juneteenth.
00:19:31.000 I see that you're in the office working today.
00:19:33.000 I am.
00:19:33.000 You know, I was a little concerned that you would start this segment without wishing me a happy Juneteenth, but thank you for acknowledging this very important message.
00:19:41.000 I have to keep working.
00:19:42.000 As podcasters, we're crucial to the ongoing functioning of the United States, but that doesn't mean that I'm not celebrating this really important day.
00:19:51.000 Somebody has to fund the reparations and that will be us.
00:19:55.000 So Matt, there was a huge victory yesterday at the Supreme Court that really was Walk our audience through this triumph at the Supreme Court yesterday.
00:20:14.000 Yeah, this was a huge, I think, historic win at the Supreme Court.
00:20:21.000 Which the Supreme Court found that our law that was passed here in Tennessee banning the mutilation of children in the name of quote-unquote gender affirmation or gender transition, they found that that law is valid, that that law is not unconstitutional, that we in fact do have the right in Tennessee to regulate and ban these kinds of barbaric practices, which means of course also that The dozens of states across the country that have passed similar bans, those bans will stand now.
00:20:51.000 And it also means, most importantly, really, that there's no excuse for the Republicans in Congress right now to not pass a federal ban.
00:21:00.000 So all of those things are now totally on the table.
00:21:03.000 This was a crushing defeat for the trans lobby, for the trans activists.
00:21:08.000 And I think for the gender transition industry, the gender butchery industry, this was...
00:21:20.000 I think this was the fatal, this was the death blow to the gender butchery industry. 0.93
00:21:25.000 So it's just a great day all around.
00:21:27.000 Yeah, and so why?
00:21:29.000 Explain how.
00:21:30.000 I think I understand that, but this now allows states to pass similar laws.
00:21:33.000 It's not yet a nationwide ban, and it's very clear that the Supreme Court did not weigh in Child mutilation or gender transition.
00:21:46.000 They did just say that this does not impact the Equal Protection Clause.
00:21:52.000 So explain that a little bit further, Matt, and give the argument a little bit deeper as to why this is a death nail in the coffin of the trans-industrial complex. 0.51
00:22:02.000 Right, the Supreme Court didn't find Now, I think they could have found that.
00:22:15.000 That would have been great.
00:22:16.000 I think that actually, not only is it not unconstitutional to ban the practices, but the practices themselves are unconstitutional because they infringe on the human rights of children.
00:22:25.000 So they could have gone that far.
00:22:26.000 They didn't.
00:22:26.000 I didn't expect them to.
00:22:27.000 But they went as far as they needed to because it enables states to pass these laws.
00:22:34.000 There's no reason not to.
00:22:36.000 And it found, I mean, the argument on the other side was, of course, absurd.
00:22:40.000 They have no good arguments.
00:22:41.000 They're defending something that's literally indefensible.
00:22:44.000 But their argument, such as it was, was that this was somehow an infringement on the Equal Protection Clause because it discriminates the laws that ban these procedures, discriminate based on sex, which makes no sense for so many reasons.
00:23:01.000 Starting with the fact that it doesn't do that, actually.
00:23:04.000 What the law says is that you cannot castrate and mutilate a child for the sake of changing their gender, no matter the sex of the child.
00:23:13.000 It doesn't matter if the child is male or female. 0.76
00:23:14.000 You cannot do that.
00:23:15.000 So it doesn't discriminate based on sex.
00:23:17.000 And also, and this was an important point, and you find this in the majority opinion, and this was something that during the arguments came up quite a bit, which is that okay, if this is somehow unconstitutional, it's a violation of the legal protection clause, then it must be discriminating based on some sort of immutable characteristic.
00:23:37.000 But the problem is that even the pro-trans side will tell you that transgenderism, if it even exists, if it's really a thing at all, which it isn't, but if it is, even according to them, It can change by the day.
00:23:50.000 If I wake up today and say that I'm a woman, then I am.
00:23:53.000 If I wake up tomorrow and say I'm a man, then I'm a man.
00:23:56.000 So even according to them, it's not an immutable characteristic.
00:23:59.000 So the whole argument just doesn't work.
00:24:02.000 And the reason why I think it's the nail in the coffin, the fatal blow, And trans activists for years have been very confident. 1.00
00:24:16.000 As the tide turned against them culturally, and dozens of states passed these laws, they were very confident because they said, hey, the courts will bail us out.
00:24:25.000 They always do.
00:24:26.000 The courts are going to come back around and say, you can't do this.
00:24:28.000 That was their only hope, because...
00:24:37.000 Just the argument.
00:24:38.000 Now they have to go on a level playing field, right?
00:24:43.000 And they have to actually make the argument for why we should be chemically castrating children.
00:24:48.000 And they can't win the argument because the argument's insane.
00:24:51.000 I mean, this is not even an 80-20 issue.
00:24:53.000 I think this is like a 95-5 issue, really.
00:24:55.000 The number of Americans who actually think it's okay to chemically castrate children is vanishingly small.
00:25:00.000 And so their only hope was some sort of bailout from the courts, and it didn't happen.
00:25:06.000 So this still allows blue states to continue their butchery and these trans-sanctuary states. 0.88
00:25:14.000 What does this mean for the nationwide ban that you and I are seeking, including President Trump's phenomenal executive order that he wrote that is now currently in the courts somewhere?
00:25:28.000 Does this impact it at all?
00:25:30.000 And how are we going to advance a nationwide ban and bring that to reality?
00:25:36.000 Well, I think Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene already has a bill that she wrote that codifies Trump's executive order on this exact issue.
00:25:43.000 And the way that it impacts it is that it means that there's no reason not to do it.
00:25:47.000 You could absolutely pass this bill.
00:25:50.000 And it's one of those relatively rare times in politics.
00:25:56.000 Where the clearly morally right thing to do is also clearly the politically popular thing to do.
00:26:02.000 Things don't always line up that way.
00:26:04.000 There are plenty of times when the right thing to do is not the politically popular thing.
00:26:07.000 But in this case, it is.
00:26:08.000 So this is a total winner for Republicans, and you have to do it, because as you point out, you've got these so-called trans-sanctuary states like California.
00:26:15.000 And listen, we're protecting kids in Tennessee, and that's fantastic.
00:26:20.000 Children in California have to be protected, too.
00:26:23.000 The fact that a child happened to be born, was cursed with being born in California, shouldn't mean that now they're going to get chemically castrated and butchered and injured for the rest of their life in these permanent ways.
00:26:37.000 And so we have to pass this ban.
00:26:39.000 And it's a total winner because what it means is that the Democrats are going to have to get up and they're going to have to make the case on the record.
00:26:50.000 For why it's okay to cut the breasts off of 15-year-old girls and castrate 12-year-old boys. 0.69
00:26:54.000 And I'll tell you right now, they don't want to do that.
00:26:56.000 They do not want this fight.
00:26:58.000 They don't want to make this argument.
00:26:59.000 They'd rather it just go away.
00:27:01.000 They're hoping that Republicans will be happy with the Supreme Court victory and then move on like it's the end of it.
00:27:05.000 And that's why we can't do that.
00:27:08.000 You saw Elizabeth Warren come out yesterday saying that this was insensitive to young kids and their parents. 0.73
00:27:15.000 Okay, let's have that debate out and open.
00:27:17.000 Let's make 2028 or the 2026 midterms partially about whether or not we should have a castrating business in this country that profits off of the removal of genitals. 0.73
00:27:30.000 How public opinion has switched on this topic the last decade is amazing.
00:27:35.000 Can we get Asa Hutchinson on Tucker Carlson?
00:27:38.000 Can we get that?
00:27:40.000 Do you remember this, Matt?
00:27:40.000 I want to replay this.
00:27:41.000 That was one of the seminal moments when Asa Hutchinson, neoliberal, called himself a Republican governor of Arkansas, went to defend the chemical castration of children on the Tucker Carlson program like seven or eight years ago, and Tucker called them out.
00:27:58.000 Republicans used to be for this.
00:27:59.000 Not anymore.
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00:29:03.000 Matt, I do want to ask you about Israel and Iran in a second, but I just want to just put one last question on this.
00:29:09.000 First of all, you deserve phenomenal and enormous credit.
00:29:11.000 You were fighting on the trans issue before I was, before anybody was, when it was not an 80-20 issue, when Republicans seemed destined for surrender, when Jenner went on the front page, I think, of Vogue magazine, and Republicans were like, oh, that's it.
00:29:28.000 Let's just put our hands up.
00:29:30.000 You were uncompromising.
00:29:32.000 With incredible rigidity.
00:29:35.000 You're like, nope, we're not going to do this, actually.
00:29:37.000 We're going to dig in.
00:29:38.000 And now it's seemingly unpopular.
00:29:41.000 Even on the more mainstream prior trans stuff, it's unpopular and just gross and disgusting. 1.00
00:29:48.000 Matt, walk us through the decades-long journey from 2015 to today on the public opinion battle that you were heavily involved in.
00:29:57.000 Yeah, you know, I always say that I don't know that – I think that, you know, if you were to go back to, say, 2019, 2020, and you were to ask, you know, do a poll of everyday Americans and ask them about the trans issue, and should men be allowed in women's sports and bathrooms, and should we be doing these kinds of gender transition procedures to kids, I think you would have found many more people than you'd find today who would answer in the affirmative.
00:30:26.000 But I don't think that most of them actually believed that at the time.
00:30:30.000 So I don't think that, you know, the trans activists never actually persuaded anyone, or I think they persuaded very few people.
00:30:37.000 What was happening for about five, six, seven years is that they successfully scared people into silence.
00:30:45.000 They used emotional blackmail very effectively.
00:30:47.000 There was this emotional blackmail campaign that was just ruthless and relentless.
00:30:52.000 and for a lot of people it just blindsided them and this was being done not just with public not just with the public generally but Parents who'd never even heard of the trans issue, really, were all of a sudden being told that, oh, if you don't let your kid transition, they're going to kill themselves.
00:31:09.000 And a lot of parents just didn't know how to respond to that.
00:31:12.000 It's like when you're being told that as a parent, it's very jarring.
00:31:14.000 So I think that's what happened.
00:31:16.000 I think that's what happened for the first, you know, half of the decade where this fight's been going on is people were scared into silence.
00:31:24.000 And then it just became a process of letting people know that it's like, we all know this is not right.
00:31:30.000 We all know this is crazy.
00:31:31.000 We all know that Bruce Jenner is not really a woman.
00:31:33.000 We all know that.
00:31:34.000 We know that.
00:31:34.000 And it's okay for you to say what you know to be true.
00:31:38.000 And the thing is, you know, that's the thing about kind of a mass hysteria is that we've seen this happen with COVID.
00:31:44.000 We've seen it happen with BLM and George Floyd.
00:31:46.000 We've seen it happen many times over the last decade in particular.
00:31:49.000 But the good thing about the mass hysteria, if there could be anything good about it, is that it comes on very quickly, but it can also be broken.
00:31:56.000 You can break the fever very quickly.
00:31:58.000 And it just takes a few people at first who are willing to stand up and say, no, this is right.
00:32:04.000 This isn't right.
00:32:05.000 This is crazy.
00:32:05.000 We all know this is crazy.
00:32:07.000 And then a few people say that, a few other people sort of will meekly stand up and say, yeah, you know, I think he's right.
00:32:12.000 And then before you know it, the fever is broken and the mass hysteria has faded away.
00:32:18.000 Matt, very quickly, you have an opinion on the Israel-Iran conflict that is shared by a lot of people under the age of 30, not necessarily people in their 50s or 60s.
00:32:28.000 What is that take?
00:32:30.000 What is that opinion?
00:32:31.000 Make the case.
00:32:32.000 Yeah, look, I usually don't pay.
00:32:35.000 Foreign policy has never really been my bag.
00:32:37.000 I like to pay attention to America.
00:32:38.000 I'm very much America first.
00:32:40.000 I care about America's interests.
00:32:41.000 That's all that matters to me.
00:32:42.000 That's all that matters to me when it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to foreign conflicts, is how does this affect America?
00:32:47.000 And if the United States is going to get involved in any kind of conflict, I need to know that we're doing that.
00:32:52.000 Because for American interest, because it is necessary to protect American lives.
00:32:57.000 And if it's not necessary for that, if we're doing it, you know, to free some other group of people, if we're doing it for some other country, then I'm not on board with it.
00:33:05.000 So what I'll say about this is, look.
00:33:07.000 It is true, as many people have pointed out, that President Trump has been very consistent.
00:33:12.000 Iran can't get a nuclear weapon.
00:33:13.000 He has been saying that for well over 10 years.
00:33:16.000 He's been very consistent about that.
00:33:18.000 And that's true.
00:33:19.000 And I respect that.
00:33:20.000 And I also think that Trump has earned a lot of credit and leeway when it comes to foreign policy.
00:33:25.000 I think he's been pretty brilliant on foreign policy going back to his first term.
00:33:29.000 That being said, you know, there are voices, Lindsey Graham among them, but not just him, who are calling.
00:33:36.000 For not just dropping a bomb to get rid of their nuclear facilities, but actual regime change war in the Middle East. 0.73
00:33:43.000 And I think that that's a very real possibility.
00:33:46.000 We know how these things go.
00:33:48.000 And as America First conservatives, we should be standing up against it and saying, no, absolutely not.
00:33:52.000 We know how regime change wars go.
00:33:54.000 We've seen them over the last 40 years.
00:33:55.000 They never work out.
00:33:57.000 All that ends up happening is you have more instability, you have factionalization, and then, oh, guess what?
00:34:02.000 You also have a new flood of refugees, quote-unquote, who are coming into Europe and the United States.
00:34:08.000 And so I'm absolutely against it, and I think that we should all be against it.
00:34:12.000 I completely agree.
00:34:13.000 The difference between bottom-up and top-down, if the Persian people want to take back their government with self-determination and self-government, then God bless them, we'll be cheering for them.
00:34:23.000 Have Western-imposed regime change, that will be a catastrophe that we will fight against.
00:34:27.000 Matt, excellent work.
00:34:28.000 Congratulations.
00:34:28.000 Thanks for all that you do.
00:34:29.000 Thank you.
00:34:30.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:34:31.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:34:32.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:34:35.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.