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00:02:59.000 The Kyle Rittenhouse interview is here.

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00:03:18.000 All right, truly buckle up for Kyle Rittenhouse.

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00:03:56.000 Hey, everybody.

00:03:57.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:59.000 Really important interview here.

00:04:01.000 We're honored to be able to have it.

00:04:02.000 First, we have Jack Pisobic, who's going to be co-piloting this, who earned the, I guess you could say, the right, the ability to have this conversation.

00:04:11.000 But of course, the main reason we're all here, Kyle Rittenhouse, everybody, is here on the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:04:16.000 Also, with Dave Hancock, family spokesperson, and someone who's really been there for Kyle the last year.

00:04:21.000 And I look forward to talking about that.

00:04:22.000 Kyle, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:04:24.000 Thank you so much for having me, Charlie.

00:04:25.000 Well, Charlie, hold on.

00:04:26.000 I think there's some other people who need to mention.

00:04:28.000 Oh, you're right.

00:04:28.000 So we have Bailey and Milo.

00:04:30.000 Kyle, who is, tell us who Milo is.

00:04:32.000 So Milo is my dog.

00:04:34.000 I got him in January to help with everything that's going on.

00:04:39.000 Somebody I can help train.

00:04:42.000 Man's best friend.

00:04:44.000 Milo's a great dog.

00:04:46.000 So throughout the last year, you've obviously been through a lot.

00:04:51.000 Talk just like first, let's talk about you as a human being.

00:04:54.000 Talk about how Milo's helped you through that.

00:04:56.000 Well, Milo's a smart dog.

00:04:58.000 He knows when I'm having down days.

00:05:01.000 He'll like come up to me and, hey, pet me.

00:05:03.000 And then he has his best friend, Bailey, who they like, they just wrestle around.

00:05:08.000 Bailey pretty much raised Milo and they like to wrestle around and tussle.

00:05:14.000 So, Kyle, I want to kind of take a step back here.

00:05:18.000 And first, you and I both have something in common.

00:05:20.000 We both grew up in the Chicagoland area.

00:05:22.000 So first, Cubs or Sox?

00:05:24.000 I'm a Cubs fan.

00:05:25.000 Cubs fan, good answer.

00:05:26.000 So we also cheer for the Sox at times, though.

00:05:30.000 Kyle, from the first moment I saw you in the news and the video of you defending yourself, I felt like we had something in common.

00:05:38.000 We both grew up in the same neighborhood, kind of a shared story.

00:05:42.000 And you always just wanted to try to help people, right?

00:05:46.000 That is correct.

00:05:48.000 While growing up, my mom was a single mother working as a CNA at a nursing home helping old people and inspired me to start helping people wanting to go to nursing school, becoming a lifeguard, becoming a firefighter EMT cadet and a police explorer.

00:06:03.000 You grew up in Antioch?

00:06:04.000 I did.

00:06:05.000 I grew up in Antioch, Illinois.

00:06:09.000 Well, I lived in Lakeville for a couple years.

00:06:11.000 I actually moved around a lot, but the last place I was living was Antioch, Illinois.

00:06:15.000 Growing up, what did you want to be when you got older?

00:06:18.000 Growing up, I wanted to be a police officer to be able to help people and help people when they're having bad days because cops see people on their worst days.

00:06:29.000 Jack?

00:06:31.000 So they made this whole big deal during the trial in Binger.

00:06:37.000 And I call him Lunchbox, his sidekick there because he brought him along like a boxed lunch.

00:06:42.000 They said, oh, well, you're not even from Kenosha.

00:06:46.000 You don't even live in Kenosha.

00:06:48.000 You cross state lines, all this business.

00:06:51.000 But it seemed to me when I was hearing you'd speak about it, and then when you took the stand, you talked more about it, that it seemed like Kenosha did mean something to you.

00:06:59.000 You did a lot of connection.

00:06:59.000 It did.

00:07:00.000 So what does Kenosha mean to you?

00:07:04.000 Well, Kenosha, my best friend Dominic lives there.

00:07:07.000 My dad lives there.

00:07:09.000 My entire family pretty much lives there.

00:07:11.000 I go grocery shopping in Kenosha.

00:07:14.000 And of course, they have the best cheese currys in the world, as we all know.

00:07:18.000 Yeah, I've been there a couple of times since all this.

00:07:18.000 Can confirm.

00:07:20.000 I was there, I guess, two weeks after that happened.

00:07:24.000 So I was there like mid-September of last year.

00:07:26.000 And then I've gone back a few times just to see it.

00:07:29.000 It's actually a really nice town.

00:07:31.000 I really liked it.

00:07:32.000 I enjoyed it.

00:07:33.000 I went there with my brother.

00:07:34.000 We had a great time.

00:07:35.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:36.000 It's down-to-earth people who is just people that are just like wanting to be.

00:07:43.000 It's the Midwest.

00:07:44.000 We call it Midwest friendly.

00:07:45.000 We wave to people driving down the road.

00:07:47.000 Did you ever, I mean, obviously the answer is no, but talk to us what it was like, though, going from the mindset of I want to help people on that night.

00:07:55.000 That's your intent.

00:07:57.000 And you've built this great place, this town, this great town.

00:08:00.000 And you see the town starting to fall apart.

00:08:02.000 And the next thing you know, your entire life gets put in jeopardy because you defend yourself and you have to be called a murderer, a white supremacist, all of this.

00:08:12.000 Talk about how you dealt with that.

00:08:14.000 How did you just, that was the, that's probably the most immediate reversals a human being could go through.

00:08:19.000 How I dealt with that was I would block out social media.

00:08:24.000 I wouldn't go on my phone.

00:08:25.000 I would just not pay attention to any of that and just focus on what's in front of me.

00:08:30.000 And so, Dave, I want to bring you into the conversation.

00:08:32.000 So, Dave, you've kind of been in some ways like a mentor-father figure to Kyle and kind of been the family spokesperson.

00:08:41.000 And you kind of got thrown into this entire thing.

00:08:44.000 Talk about who Kyle is as a person, because this is not just an ordinary 18-year-old.

00:08:49.000 No, absolutely not.

00:08:50.000 I first met Kyle on the 20th of November when I picked him up.

00:08:54.000 And we spent about three hours driving down to the safe house.

00:09:00.000 I really got to know him at that moment.

00:09:03.000 He's a good, a civic-hearted.

00:09:10.000 He cares about people.

00:09:11.000 He's empathetic.

00:09:12.000 And he just really has a great head on his shoulders.

00:09:16.000 I mean, he wants to do great things as he gets older.

00:09:20.000 And I've just learned that he's not vitriolic.

00:09:24.000 He's not this political kid.

00:09:26.000 He basically loves everybody.

00:09:28.000 So that's the Kyle that I got to know.

00:09:31.000 I mean, and it's amazing sitting here, Kyle, because you put anybody else through that situation.

00:09:37.000 You put me through that situation when I was 18 and everything else that happened afterwards.

00:09:42.000 I would have a huge attitude and a chip on my shoulder and everything else.

00:09:46.000 But you seem like you're pretty well adjusted and actually dealing with it quite well.

00:09:53.000 You're positive, you're outgoing, you're friendly.

00:09:57.000 What do you think it is that people get wrong about sort of, there's like there's the image that they try to make of Kyle Rittenhouse, and then there's the real Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:10:06.000 So what do they get wrong the most?

00:10:08.000 Well, what I would say is people want to push their own agendas and they don't want to look at the facts of what happened or they just don't want to get to know me as a person or just as a human.

00:10:19.000 And so, but how do you stay magnanimous?

00:10:23.000 I mean, you don't seem as if you're bitter.

00:10:26.000 I mean, you spent 87 days in jail.

00:10:29.000 Like, I would be pretty upset about that.

00:10:32.000 Not to mention having to go in front of the state of Wisconsin and be like, oh, yeah, by the way, if we are able to persuade 12 people, you're going to spend the rest of your life in a prison cell.

00:10:46.000 To be honest, it does make me upset.

00:10:48.000 I'm just like, there's nothing, it's out of my control.

00:10:51.000 And the only thing I can do is stay humble and look at the positive in life.

00:10:56.000 And you now want, you want to now build a life.

00:10:59.000 Some people aren't allowing you to do that, right?

00:11:02.000 They're saying that, you know, they want the Department of Justice probe or whatever to continue, you know, forward at this.

00:11:10.000 You know, as you were going through this, let's talk just kind of about the specifics of it.

00:11:15.000 You know, you're able to get out of jail 87 days you were there.

00:11:20.000 And then all of a sudden you have to start meeting with lawyers and your legal team and starting to mount the defense.

00:11:24.000 And then the trial went underway.

00:11:26.000 Talk about what that was like.

00:11:27.000 You know, talk about the details and the specifics of you have to go every single day and you're not allowed to say anything until you took the stand, which I want to ask you about.

00:11:36.000 How much were you sleeping at those nights?

00:11:38.000 Like, how are you dealing with that?

00:11:40.000 You're an innocent person.

00:11:41.000 In some ways, the process was the punishment.

00:11:43.000 Yeah, like we see you on screen, but what's it like behind the scenes or all that?

00:11:49.000 Well, how it is behind the scenes, I have my amazing team, Mark, Corey, Natalie, John, LT, Dave, helping me through this and guiding me because believe it or not, I'm freaking out behind the scenes because you don't know what's going to happen.

00:12:04.000 So to have them to support me, helping me through this and explaining helped me stay calm.

00:12:11.000 And what I'm thinking when I'm just blank face potted plant in court, I'm just saying in my head, is this guy serious?

00:12:22.000 Referring to Lunchbox and Binger, also known as Littlefinger.

00:12:26.000 And there's one thing that I noticed about him.

00:12:26.000 Yes.

00:12:28.000 He's very level-headed.

00:12:31.000 Absolutely level-headed.

00:12:31.000 Totally.

00:12:33.000 So, yeah.

00:12:35.000 Would explain how you were able to effectively defend yourself under imminent threat of death.

00:12:42.000 I mean, it was calm, cool, and collected all the way through.

00:12:44.000 So talk, at what point in the trial were you all of a sudden like, okay, this is now going in a good direction, like a direction that is somewhat favorable?

00:12:54.000 Was there a turning point in the midst of the trial?

00:12:57.000 There's two, actually, for what I knew, the state didn't have a case is when they had their opening statements and when they put Dominic Black on the stand, which really helped me.

00:13:07.000 That's when I knew that they didn't have a case.

00:13:10.000 So the opening statements, you already knew.

00:13:12.000 Yeah, because he said, I chased down Mr. Rosenbaum, which is not true.

00:13:17.000 Yeah.

00:13:18.000 And so, Jack, you were covering the trial, you know, very extensively, and you deserve a lot of credit for that.

00:13:23.000 Go ahead.

00:13:23.000 This question with Dominic Black and being put on, obviously there's still charges on Dominic regarding this.

00:13:29.000 They're calling it a straw purchase, but it didn't sound to me like you had purchased it or he purchased it for you.

00:13:35.000 He purchased it and then held on to it.

00:13:37.000 That's not a straw purchase, obviously.

00:13:39.000 Until he was 18 years old.

00:13:40.000 Right, until he was 18, right?

00:13:41.000 And so what I couldn't, and I'm still to this point trying to figure out what exactly was their strategy for putting Dominic on the stand because his story completely lined up with your story.

00:13:56.000 This is just speculation, but I think they called Dominic the stand, hoping that he would lie, but Dominic was under oath and he told the truth.

00:14:05.000 Yeah, I didn't, I'm watching it and I'm trying to be, you know, look, you know, I remember watching it that night and I remember seeing, and like, I didn't know the name of Kyle Rittenhouse or Gage or Rosenbauer, any, any, I had no idea who any of you were, but I just knew that, you know, the guys that I would work with, like Richie McGinnis and Elijah Schaefer, Drew Hernandez, Julio Roshas, they were all there and then BG on the scene as well.

00:14:35.000 And I'm watching these videos come out and I'm looking at this situation going, hey, wait a minute, they're chasing this guy, but the media is saying it the other way.

00:14:44.000 And that's not what happened.

00:14:45.000 And I can see these videos and you guys are lying about this.

00:14:49.000 And then so you would have to think that, okay, if I'm an adversarial prosecutor, I'm going to put, I'm going to bring witnesses forward that are going to, you know, help my theory of the case.

00:15:01.000 And to your point, in his opening statement, that's what he says.

00:15:05.000 He says they were chasing you, or excuse me, that you were chasing them.

00:15:08.000 But then the very next thing he does is bring on a witness that supports your side of the case.

00:15:13.000 Exactly.

00:15:14.000 All their witnesses.

00:15:15.000 Well, yes, actually, and that turned out to be a trend that we saw throughout the rest of the trial.

00:15:19.000 Every single one of the, they brought, they were the ones who called Richie.

00:15:22.000 You guys didn't even have to call Richie.

00:15:25.000 During his opening, when he said that, I was one of the things I was thinking, I was like, geez, I didn't know that he watched the videos backwards.

00:15:35.000 There was a meme of that where it was Binger, and he goes, well, all you have to do is play the video in reverse.

00:15:43.000 And you can clearly see Kyle chasing them.

00:15:47.000 Which is basically, I mean, for the amount of hocus pocus, right, that they did the focus, focus, out of focus that they did on these videos, it almost got to the point where they had to play the videos backwards because you couldn't find anything else on these things.

00:16:02.000 But, you know, one thing with that, with these videos and just, you know, being able to support FreeCai USA and all the other stuff, did you have a sense, you know, both during the trial and beforehand that, yes, obviously there was an entire mainstream media and political really establishment that was hell-bent on making you the scapegoat for everything that happened in Kenosha and really a lot of 2020.

00:16:24.000 But did you also realize that there were millions of people that had your back, that were supporting you, going through these videos, donating?

00:16:34.000 And thank you so much to the people who do support me and have donated.

00:16:38.000 It means a lot to me and my family helping us pay for these legal bills.

00:16:43.000 It just means so much to me.

00:16:45.000 And we couldn't have done it without them.

00:16:48.000 And it's just amazing.

00:16:51.000 And with the whole people who didn't support me, I didn't know.

00:16:54.000 I actually didn't know how much support I really had until I got bailed out.

00:17:01.000 I didn't know how much of the world supported the right to self-defense.

00:17:06.000 So you wake up, and maybe the day before or the day, you know, day before that, your defense counsel says, Kyle, you're going to take the stand.

00:17:15.000 Talk about what went into that because that's a big deal, Kyle.

00:17:20.000 You waived your Fifth Amendment rights.

00:17:20.000 Yep.

00:17:22.000 Talk about that.

00:17:23.000 Well, so I met Mark in mid-September, about three weeks after the incident.

00:17:31.000 Your lawyer?

00:17:31.000 My lawyer.

00:17:32.000 And he is a straight-up guy.

00:17:34.000 He's amazing.

00:17:35.000 The first thing he told me was, Look, you got to take the stand.

00:17:40.000 And I said, I agree.

00:17:42.000 I want to tell my story.

00:17:44.000 And we, ever since I got bailed out, we were preparing.

00:17:47.000 So that was there from the start.

00:17:48.000 That wasn't like a game time decision.

00:17:50.000 No, it was something we prepared for over a year.

00:17:54.000 Corey, my other attorney, would help prepare me and he would cross-examine me and help me tell my story.

00:18:04.000 Not tell my story, but help not fall into the loopholes that Attorney Binger would have me fall try to fall.

00:18:10.000 That's right, because they mentioned you guys did a couple of the mock trials.

00:18:12.000 Yep.

00:18:13.000 So in those, it was actually Corey playing, I guess, Binger, basically.

00:18:17.000 Yay, well, the bad guy, right?

00:18:19.000 Real quick, who is better, Binger or Corey at the prosecuting?

00:18:23.000 Corey is an amazing attorney and a way better prosecutor than that entire office of Kenosha.

00:18:31.000 I mean, some of the questions he's asking you, like, do Hollow Point rounds explode, right?

00:18:37.000 No.

00:18:38.000 Did you play Call of Duty too much, Kyle?

00:18:41.000 Like, look, I play Call of Duty.

00:18:42.000 I didn't lie.

00:18:43.000 I play COD.

00:18:45.000 It's a video game.

00:18:46.000 So, but Kyle, walk us through this.

00:18:48.000 So you wake up and you know this is the day you're going to take the stand.

00:18:51.000 And more than just the stand, you know, this is a nationally publicized televised trial, right?

00:18:57.000 What's going through your mind?

00:18:58.000 That's like the biggest moment of your life.

00:19:02.000 Yeah, well, I was like, whew, I was sweating.

00:19:04.000 And as you guys seen, I was white as a ghost when I took the stand.

00:19:09.000 I was like, I couldn't eat.

00:19:11.000 And thank God I had the people around me who were able to talk to me and calm me down.

00:19:18.000 The first time I saw him silent beforehand?

00:19:20.000 In about a year.

00:19:21.000 But beforehand.

00:19:22.000 Yeah.

00:19:22.000 Did you have, did you have cold feet like, maybe I don't want to do this?

00:19:26.000 Because, Kyle, to be honest, I'll tell you, you can go back to the Charlie Kirk Show archives.

00:19:31.000 In our JV analysis, I thought it was a mistake.

00:19:33.000 I was like, the trial's going so well.

00:19:36.000 This is unusual.

00:19:37.000 I remember you came on our show and I asked you, and I said, I'm going to yield to the wisdom of the defense.

00:19:42.000 People were worried.

00:19:42.000 People were very texting, like, what is going on here?

00:19:45.000 Because it's one of those situations where it's a risk.

00:19:50.000 It's a gamble, right? 1.00

00:19:51.000 It's such a gamble to see, can this guy, and fortunately for you, the guy was an idiot. 1.00

00:19:58.000 That's a nice term. 1.00

00:19:59.000 Yeah, it's coming.

00:20:00.000 No, I mean, really, that there's so much, like, I was at, you know, Guantanamo Bay for a year.

00:20:05.000 You know, there's way more that he could have done that, you know, he didn't even try to because he's talking about video games and doesn't even know the basics of ammunition.

00:20:14.000 But, you know, what did you think, yeah, just sort of even in your mind, right?

00:20:19.000 Because as you get up there, Judge Schrader is saying, hey, you still have, it is still your decision, right?

00:20:24.000 Do you, you know, it seemed like he gave you all the space that you needed to be able to say, look, right up until this moment, it's my choice that I do this.

00:20:35.000 My reasoning behind taking the stand is I wanted the world to know who the real Kyle Riddenhouse was.

00:20:42.000 And obviously, you know, it was compelling to millions and millions of people because the more you talked, the more people are like, this is a normal kid who, you know, got caught into something that you didn't even want to get caught into and obviously defended yourself.

00:20:58.000 And so you get up there and then, you know, Binger starts to then go after your Fifth Amendment rights.

00:21:07.000 Talk about that.

00:21:08.000 So I was on the stand and Binger starts commenting on my post-arrest silent.

00:21:15.000 And I was like, what the f?

00:21:19.000 I was like, what is like, this is basic middle school constitution test stuff.

00:21:27.000 I know this stuff.

00:21:28.000 You don't comment on a defendant's post-arrest silence.

00:21:32.000 Literally every TV show, movie, you know, you have the right to remain.

00:21:38.000 It's the first thing against self-incrimination.

00:21:40.000 So what's going through your mind at that point?

00:21:42.000 I mean, I'm like, did he really just go there?

00:21:45.000 And I was astonished.

00:21:49.000 I was in shock.

00:21:50.000 I don't know about you how you were when you heard that.

00:21:53.000 I was like, I was pretty verbal in the gallery.

00:21:55.000 I was like, oh, come on.

00:21:58.000 Because it was just appalling.

00:22:00.000 And then the judge stepped up, who, by the way, the judge is being wrongly attacked as being on your side.

00:22:06.000 He was on the side of the Constitution.

00:22:07.000 Exactly.

00:22:07.000 He's not a Constitution.

00:22:09.000 Not your side. 0.99

00:22:10.000 Definitely not Binger's side because Binger is a crazy person.

00:22:12.000 Because by the way, this judge is known for if you, you know, if the jury comes back with a verdict of guilty, he's known for being a harsh by the book sentencer.

00:22:24.000 So talk about this.

00:22:25.000 So then the judge intervenes and issues one of the most harsh condemnation.

00:22:32.000 What was going through your head at that point?

00:22:33.000 It took a lot to hold back.

00:22:37.000 I wanted to break out in laughter because I was like, shouldn't have gone there.

00:22:44.000 Do you think, though, Kyle, that the prosecution was trying to throw the trial or the case?

00:22:49.000 It's my belief, and I'm probably right now because we did win the case, that he knew it wasn't going so good for them, so he wanted a mistrial.

00:22:59.000 That's why we filed a motion for a mistrial with prejudice.

00:23:02.000 I mean, they completely had it wrong.

00:23:04.000 The third set of facts they were on in the middle of trial, they just kept changing their fact patterns to say they were used to it.

00:23:10.000 Were there any points in the trial where you thought that Judge Schrader was going to make that ruling and would declare a mistrial?

00:23:19.000 Were there any specific points where you think that it got to that sort of critical mass?

00:23:25.000 A lot of people's beliefs are different from mine, even on my team.

00:23:29.000 I didn't think he was ever going to leave this out of the hands of the jury.

00:23:32.000 I don't think he wanted that, wanted to be that guy that took it out of the hands of the jury.

00:23:37.000 So I didn't think he would grant that until the jury made a ruling.

00:23:41.000 It seemed to me in jury selection, and he gave that big speech about, you know, where juries come from, where the law comes from.

00:23:50.000 It seems to me that he really did respect the jury tradition.

00:23:53.000 And so I'm with you, basically.

00:23:56.000 I had the same read on him that he really, you know, maybe he would have if he had to, but unless it really crossed the line, he wanted this to be a jury decision.

00:24:07.000 And, you know, obviously, thank God it turned out. to be the right way.

00:24:11.000 And Binger did everything he could.

00:24:12.000 So let's go to, let's just show 34 on the screen.

00:24:15.000 So Kyle, you're sitting there.

00:24:16.000 It's closing arguments, right?

00:24:19.000 You're like, what's the side?

00:24:20.000 What's going on?

00:24:22.000 You know, how's the jury trending?

00:24:24.000 And the next thing you know, let's put Cut 34 on the screen, guys.

00:24:28.000 You have attorney Binger pick up an AR-15.

00:24:33.000 Oh, my God.

00:24:34.000 Yeah.

00:24:34.000 And just decide with the, you have better trigger posture than him, Kyle.

00:24:38.000 Kyle, what is he pointing at?

00:24:40.000 Is he threatening the jury?

00:24:42.000 Pretty much.

00:24:43.000 He was pointing his gun at the gallery, and I looked at my attorney.

00:24:48.000 That's your gun, right?

00:24:49.000 That's my rifle.

00:24:50.000 Yeah, that is yours, right?

00:24:51.000 That we're having destroyed right now.

00:24:53.000 We don't want anything to do with that.

00:24:54.000 Oh, wow.

00:24:56.000 So I looked at Corey, and I said, Corey, that's gun safety 101.

00:25:04.000 Loaded or unloaded.

00:25:05.000 Treat a gun like it's loaded.

00:25:07.000 Yeah.

00:25:07.000 And he points it at the jury.

00:25:09.000 Exactly.

00:25:09.000 I think at that point, I said, all right, they're freaking out.

00:25:12.000 I mean, they got nothing left.

00:25:14.000 So there's this video that the FBI had in their archives, 14 months.

00:25:20.000 It clearly shows you being chased down by this deranged individual, corners you, all of it, HD.

00:25:28.000 You know, this isn't, you know, behind the cars because, and this was always key that, you know, people who are looking at this never got, is that all the camera footage from that night was surface level, right?

00:25:40.000 Because it's handheld.

00:25:42.000 So, and of course, Richie thinks he has his camera going, but he doesn't.

00:25:45.000 And he's beating himself up over that, but, you know, it happens in the heat of the moment.

00:25:49.000 That this thing is above, looking down, sees the whole thing.

00:25:54.000 You can actually see the anger and just, you know, insanity in Rosenbaum's face as he's chasing you.

00:26:03.000 That I don't think you show that face to anybody that they would think that this guy.

00:26:08.000 Let alone threatened to kill them twice that night.

00:26:10.000 Right, right. 0.64

00:26:10.000 That he has anything other than, you know, very dangerous, evil intentions. 0.64

00:26:16.000 And they sat on this thing for 14 months, didn't give it to you guys.

00:26:20.000 The prosecution had it.

00:26:22.000 Why didn't the FBI release this the next day?

00:26:26.000 That's the question.

00:26:27.000 That's the question.

00:26:28.000 I'll let Dave explain the FOIA review.

00:26:30.000 And not only that, Milo's very upset with the FBI right now.

00:26:33.000 Very upset.

00:26:34.000 They had a high-definition version that they admitted they had, but destroyed.

00:26:40.000 And they said that in the same sentence as admitting that they knew what they had that night.

00:26:47.000 So, I mean, you got to wonder what was going on there.

00:26:51.000 So we filed FOIA requests for that footage.

00:26:54.000 And it was.

00:26:55.000 For the HD footage.

00:26:56.000 For the HD footage, for any of the footage.

00:26:59.000 And they said no records.

00:27:01.000 And then his attorneys filed the appeals and no records.

00:27:05.000 And they still haven't met their duties as a federal agency under FOIA still to this day.

00:27:12.000 Now, Kyle, you had your cell phone on you that night, right?

00:27:14.000 I did.

00:27:15.000 So my take on this is most likely the reason that they didn't want this getting out is they probably had these types of surveillance flights going on over all the riots of 2020.

00:27:27.000 And they probably had an optics package and a signals package on there where they were able to track all the cell phones of everyone in that.

00:27:36.000 So it's not necessarily that they were like looking at you, but they were probably tracking every single thing that we went on.

00:27:41.000 So help me understand this, though.

00:27:43.000 The FBI had potentially exculpatory information that was given to the prosecution, and that footage has been deleted or missing.

00:27:50.000 I'm not quite understanding that whole part of it.

00:27:53.000 So they had the standard definition, which gets fed to the ground, and then they had the high definition, which gets taken on the aircraft itself.

00:28:01.000 They admitted on the stand that the standard definition that went to the ground, that's what was turned over to the prosecution long after the incident itself.

00:28:13.000 The high definition version on the aircraft itself, they claimed, was destroyed.

00:28:19.000 And that is the one that you can zoom into and you can see every single thing that happened on the ground.

00:28:26.000 And we have been unable to receive that or get that from the FBI since.

00:28:31.000 Because the other thing is, you know, and I think it's kind of obvious.

00:28:35.000 The only thing that was released was, what, one minute, 39 seconds of the encounter.

00:28:41.000 And so I'm sure this whole canard about you raising your rifle as opposed to raising your shoulder and somehow you can magically switch arms.

00:28:51.000 Yeah, with the one point, apparently I'm left-handed, of course.

00:28:54.000 Yeah, and holding the rifle left.

00:28:56.000 Right.

00:28:56.000 But so this whole canard about that, which they hung the entire closing argument on, which by the way wasn't mentioned, of course, in the opening, all of that most likely was captured on this footage and certainly you would have been able to see that in very clear.

00:29:14.000 You wouldn't, like, you know, this whole joke about, oh, we fortified, enhanced the image for 20 hours.

00:29:18.000 So you wouldn't need to if you had the HD.

00:29:20.000 Exactly.

00:29:20.000 Yeah, that's 100% right.

00:29:23.000 And they narrated the wrong story.

00:29:25.000 Yes.

00:29:26.000 They actually came out in court and said, this shows that he chased down Rosenbaum and that he yelled at Rosenbaum from across the car.

00:29:35.000 Remember that?

00:29:36.000 And I looked at the video with some other people.

00:29:38.000 I'm like, what?

00:29:38.000 It shows the complete opposite.

00:29:40.000 It's not even possible.

00:29:41.000 So then they changed their facts again.

00:29:44.000 Cut 21.

00:29:45.000 I want to get your reaction to this.

00:29:47.000 Binger says, listen, if you're the one who brings the gun, you lose your right to self-defense.

00:29:54.000 And then I want to get into this, Kyle, because you have become famous.

00:30:01.000 And I don't think you wanted to be famous, but you just are, because this idea of self-defense is so personal to so many people.

00:30:08.000 Standing up against a bully in a hallway, right?

00:30:11.000 Standing up for people, standing up for yourself.

00:30:13.000 But according to the prosecution in Cut 21, listen, you lose your right to self-defense if you're the one who brings the gun.

00:30:20.000 Play Cut 21.

00:30:22.000 You lose the right to self-defense when you're the one who brought the gun, when you're the one creating the danger, when you're the one provoking other people.

00:30:31.000 Is that what the law says?

00:30:33.000 No.

00:30:34.000 And I'm no lawyer and I'm just like a normal 17, 18 year old kid.

00:30:39.000 Look, how I look at it, what he's saying, no one has a right to defend theirself in the world in the United States if they're the one that brings the gun.

00:30:50.000 So that means what he's saying is nobody's allowed to carry a gun, essentially.

00:30:56.000 That's what I get out of it.

00:30:57.000 I don't know about you guys, but.

00:30:58.000 So that's exactly what he's conflating.

00:31:00.000 So what he's doing legally is conflating you possessing a weapon as opposed to along with you brandishing and then provoking that weapon.

00:31:12.000 So brandishing it at a person or provoking an attack or an assault.

00:31:17.000 That's obviously not what happened.

00:31:19.000 You were lawfully open carrying the same way that anyone who's legally able to can do so in Wisconsin, can do so in Arizona, so many states.

00:31:29.000 That is not the legal standard of the United States, obviously.

00:31:33.000 Our legal standard is the Second Amendment.

00:31:35.000 Lawfully is the key word.

00:31:37.000 That was a weapon he knew that he could legally carry.

00:31:43.000 And that's why he had as was proven at trial.

00:31:45.000 And as was true, you know the law better than the prosecution.

00:31:45.000 Right.

00:31:48.000 And the judge dismissed that charge.

00:31:50.000 Kyle, at what point did you realize that this was more than just about your future?

00:31:53.000 Or maybe that was always your focus and you didn't care about the rest.

00:31:56.000 And like, oh, I'm now kind of a figurehead for multiple different movements over prosecution.

00:32:03.000 self-defense.

00:32:04.000 When did that kind of set in?

00:32:06.000 Well, when I first realized it was probably in December of 2020 when I realized, okay, this is getting pretty big.

00:32:13.000 All these media personalities are talking about it and all the people who don't agree with me or agree with the right to self-defense are making up these things such as Anna Kasparian and the Young Turks who's making it.

00:32:26.000 I have that clip.

00:32:27.000 Really?

00:32:27.000 So can I play it?

00:32:29.000 So Ana Kasparian.

00:32:29.000 Yeah, sure.

00:32:32.000 Now that's an Armenian name.

00:32:34.000 So what she's doing on the Young Turks, I have no idea.

00:32:38.000 Now, you might not know the Turkish Armenians who were the ones who killed the Armenian.

00:32:41.000 Genocide, but we're not going to get into that.

00:32:43.000 Anyway, I'm not a fan of hers.

00:32:45.000 But I will say, though, she came out and I don't know if you saw what she did.

00:32:49.000 She admitted she was wrong.

00:32:50.000 We have that clip.

00:32:51.000 So Anna Kasparian.

00:32:52.000 I'm going to have all the credit in the world for that.

00:32:53.000 Cut seven.

00:32:54.000 You know the name's Armenian if it ever ends in IAN, which means son of.

00:32:58.000 They call it a lucid moment.

00:32:59.000 Yes.

00:33:00.000 So then she comes out of nowhere and she says, I was wrong.

00:33:05.000 So I want to play Cut Seven, Anna Kasparian, who lied about you, but then had the courage to clarify the record on air.

00:33:12.000 Play Cut Seven.

00:33:13.000 So look, these details matter because if you're going to make an argument that you acted in self-defense, there needs to be some proof that there was an imminent threat.

00:33:24.000 Now, what really mattered to me was how all of this unfolded.

00:33:28.000 What was the thing that sparked it?

00:33:29.000 What started all of it?

00:33:31.000 And initially, I was under the assumption that Rittenhouse was the person who was chasing after Joseph Rosenbaum, that that's how it started.

00:33:41.000 But I was wrong about that.

00:33:43.000 Okay, so I want to correct the record.

00:33:45.000 I was, in fact, wrong about that.

00:33:48.000 She was wrong about it.

00:33:49.000 She's wrong about a lot of things.

00:33:51.000 And she wasn't alone.

00:33:52.000 And so it must have been so frustrating because, Kyle, you knew this, and you were going through social media.

00:33:59.000 It was unavoidable.

00:34:00.000 You were on trial in two different courts.

00:34:02.000 The Court of Public Opinion, which thank God I had people around me helping defend my character, such as my attorneys, Dave.

00:34:10.000 Just back up.

00:34:12.000 Jack, thank you so much.

00:34:13.000 Tons of them all over the Twitter.

00:34:15.000 I mean, you know, everywhere.

00:34:17.000 I may have been one of the loudest voices or louder voices out there, but there were so many people.

00:34:24.000 And I, I mean, I wish maybe, you know, someday if I get a chance, you know, I could show you so many people are emailing me and messaging me.

00:34:32.000 Can you get a message to Kyle?

00:34:33.000 Tell him we're praying for him.

00:34:35.000 I had a son was in a similar thing.

00:34:37.000 And like all these different stories and just complete outpouring of support because I think a lot of people looked at it as a situation of, and you know, I said this too: they, you know, people were saying, oh, should he shouldn't have been there, right?

00:34:52.000 But the actual answer is that none of them should have been there.

00:34:56.000 None of the rioters should have been there.

00:34:57.000 The mob shouldn't have been there, right?

00:34:59.000 We should have safety in our communities.

00:35:02.000 This great little town of Kenosha that it was so nice to be able to go visit should never have to experience that and nobody should because our government should be the one that's actually protecting people.

00:35:16.000 And so you had these two courts and obviously you were most focused about, I don't know, like I'll win the court of public opinion later.

00:35:22.000 Yep.

00:35:23.000 Were you ever worried, though?

00:35:26.000 Do you ever have the paranoia thought?

00:35:27.000 Like, man, is this jury really not watching the news?

00:35:31.000 Is this, you know what I'm talking about?

00:35:33.000 Look, it's unavoidable, this case.

00:35:37.000 They definitely probably saw some of this stuff.

00:35:40.000 Some of them probably watched it.

00:35:42.000 I hope some of them probably turned it off, but I guarantee one or two of them definitely were watching the news during that.

00:35:49.000 Every single jury person said that they had consumed media at the beginning of this.

00:35:55.000 So it's impossible not to.

00:35:58.000 And it was the fear that we had, Kyle, is that there was this fear of jury intimidation, which we have some tape to play on.

00:36:06.000 I think it's MSNBC.

00:36:08.000 That's right.

00:36:10.000 Not a fan.

00:36:11.000 Neither am I. Good.

00:36:12.000 We have that in common.

00:36:13.000 And we have the cut here.

00:36:15.000 We got Cut 29 queued up of the judge announcing that MSNBC is banned from the courtroom.

00:36:22.000 Now, for following jurors, and that's where Jack and I were interfacing, like, wait a second, this is now heading into really dangerous territory that a young man's life might be put in jeopardy if one of these juries feels even slightly intimidated.

00:36:37.000 Let's play Cut 29.

00:36:39.000 A person who identified himself as James J. Morrison and who claimed that he was a producer with NBC News.

00:36:49.000 The police, when they stopped him, because he was following at a distance of about a black and went through a red light, pulled him over and inquired of him what was going on.

00:37:00.000 And he gave that information and stated that he had been instructed by Ms. Byan in New York to follow the jury bus.

00:37:13.000 He's not here today, from what I'm told.

00:37:16.000 And I have instructed that no one from MSNBC News will be permitted in this building for the duration of this trial.

00:37:27.000 And so there was this fear that is the jury going to be intimidated?

00:37:32.000 When I heard about that, I was like, I like put my head down.

00:37:37.000 We went into the judge chambers.

00:37:38.000 I'm like, I said, why can't people just do honest journalism these days?

00:37:42.000 Yes.

00:37:43.000 It's just so unprofessional for the person who did that to do that.

00:37:50.000 Who wouldn't do that?

00:37:52.000 What was your impression of, I guess, the media before all of this started and then now?

00:38:01.000 Well, I don't watch the news.

00:38:04.000 I never have.

00:38:04.000 That's why you're so happy.

00:38:05.000 Yeah.

00:38:07.000 I don't pay.

00:38:08.000 Yeah, it sounds bad.

00:38:08.000 I don't pay attention to what's going on in the world before this and right now.

00:38:12.000 I focus on myself and I focus on work.

00:38:15.000 Just to follow up on that real quick.

00:38:16.000 But you had a sense of, you know, there's this media out there.

00:38:20.000 They report things.

00:38:22.000 You know, did you have, you know, just kind of glance at a headline and then...

00:38:27.000 Our best friend, Twitter.

00:38:28.000 You know, glance at Twitter and then move on to the next thing.

00:38:31.000 Right.

00:38:31.000 So how do you feel about him now?

00:38:34.000 I think a lot of people are trying to save their assets right now, what it seems like.

00:38:37.000 You see a lot of different headlines come out.

00:38:40.000 So you're speaking in terms of the defamation, potential claims that might come out?

00:38:47.000 Like I see headlines, like people are just like changing up their stories.

00:38:52.000 Which one was it?

00:38:53.000 I think CNN.

00:38:54.000 It was, come on.

00:38:56.000 Everybody has Google, right?

00:38:58.000 You didn't cross state lines with a gun.

00:39:01.000 I mean, that was still being reported.

00:39:02.000 That's still being reported now.

00:39:04.000 People still believe that.

00:39:05.000 And that's one of the problems with the media was that they just perpetuated this absolutely completely false narrative and they kept it going.

00:39:16.000 Even after trial, when all the truth came out, they still kept it going.

00:39:20.000 And I think that's probably the worst part about it.

00:39:24.000 It's crossing state lines.

00:39:25.000 It's like Illinois to Wisconsin.

00:39:26.000 You do that every day. 0.99

00:39:27.000 It's like ridiculous. 0.99

00:39:28.000 Wisconsin. 0.99

00:39:29.000 You don't even realize you crossed.

00:39:31.000 Seriously.

00:39:31.000 My backyard was in Wisconsin.

00:39:33.000 You cross half-day road and you're there.

00:39:35.000 Exactly.

00:39:36.000 You're in there.

00:39:37.000 I did it probably 300 times in my life.

00:39:38.000 And there's nothing on the ground.

00:39:39.000 There's no towers.

00:39:40.000 There's nothing to say.

00:39:41.000 Oh my God.

00:39:42.000 Oh, it crosses it.

00:39:42.000 It's not even a word.

00:39:43.000 Do you know what?

00:39:44.000 This goes to show that this is a very important point.

00:39:46.000 The northeast bias of the news media, because when you cross from New York to New Jersey, you go through a tunnel or you go through a bridge, go over a bridge, right?

00:39:55.000 You really can't go from New York to New Jersey.

00:39:57.000 I'm trying to think, at least in Manhattan, yeah, unless going through a tunnel or bridge.

00:40:00.000 Like in the Midwest, you have going to Wisconsin.

00:40:03.000 You're like, wait, I just crossed state lines?

00:40:04.000 Like, you don't even know.

00:40:06.000 But who cares?

00:40:06.000 What's the big difference?

00:40:07.000 He crossed state lines.

00:40:09.000 That's right.

00:40:10.000 They keep on repeating that.

00:40:11.000 I think the reason they're trying to do that is for future gun laws.

00:40:15.000 And also, they're trying to provoke a federal probe.

00:40:18.000 And so what do you think about that?

00:40:22.000 I mean, can I just please?

00:40:25.000 The chairman of the House.

00:40:26.000 Jerry Nadler.

00:40:27.000 Yeah.

00:40:28.000 I mean, come on.

00:40:30.000 You're the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, and you literally tweet that he crossed state lines.

00:40:38.000 And so now there's some sort of federal jurisdiction.

00:40:42.000 Come on, you're the chairman.

00:40:44.000 You're a congressman, and you can't get that right.

00:40:49.000 So I think what you're asking is about the federal probe.

00:40:53.000 Well, we have a cut I want to play, but I guess I want both your thoughts.

00:40:57.000 Why are they so obsessed with you?

00:41:00.000 They're coming after our guns.

00:41:02.000 They want to come after Americans' guns, people's rights to bear arms.

00:41:06.000 That's my opinion.

00:41:08.000 I don't know about you guys, but...

00:41:10.000 Well, we agree with that totally.

00:41:12.000 And that the fact that it does seem like it's something else to this, to just keep drilling down and changing the narrative.

00:41:19.000 I want to pick up on what you're saying there.

00:41:21.000 So do you believe that, you know, and there is this narrative that, you know, the, you know, we always hear it, like, good guy with a gun, right?

00:41:31.000 Good guy with a gun is able to stop a mass shooter, is able to stop a riot situation, obviously, and is able to defend themselves from the riot, you know, attacking them.

00:41:41.000 So do you believe it's a situation where they want only the government to have that kind of monopoly on violence to be able to use guns so that it essentially eviscerates the Second Amendment?

00:41:56.000 I think that's getting into the weeds on the issue, besides the fact that I believe from the very start that it has always been about the gun.

00:42:08.000 It wasn't about the right of self-defense, which it became about because that's what it was about.

00:42:15.000 Period.

00:42:15.000 And Binger even mentions this at the trial.

00:42:17.000 He said, why did you choose the AR?

00:42:18.000 Why did you choose the AR?

00:42:20.000 Because, and I was like, and then he tried correcting me on the law.

00:42:24.000 I'm like, because that was the only gun that I was legally allowed to have.

00:42:27.000 And he was like, actually, no, this is what the law says.

00:42:29.000 I'm like, no, that's all you're reading it wrong, man.

00:42:33.000 Let's play Cut 33 before we do. 0.86

00:42:35.000 I think it's deeper than that.

00:42:36.000 I think you won and they lost, and they don't process that well.

00:42:40.000 Play Cut 33.

00:42:42.000 I know there's no double jeopardy in this country, Paul, but is it possible for this case to go federal?

00:42:48.000 Could a federal prosecutor pick this up?

00:42:53.000 It's possible, but typically we see those in civil rights cases, and this isn't a civil rights case.

00:43:02.000 They see that in a civil rights case, and this isn't a civil rights case.

00:43:04.000 Yeah, no kidding.

00:43:05.000 But it's this simple.

00:43:06.000 It's that they had a narrative.

00:43:07.000 They were willing to try to put an innocent person in jail, destroy your life, and smear your character.

00:43:13.000 Similar to Nicholas Sandman, not as extreme.

00:43:16.000 You talked to him, didn't you?

00:43:17.000 I did.

00:43:18.000 How is that?

00:43:19.000 He's a nice guy.

00:43:20.000 We talked for like five minutes.

00:43:22.000 He asked how I was doing, and I said I was doing good, been praying.

00:43:27.000 And I asked him how he deals with all this media stuff, and he says the same thing as me.

00:43:31.000 Just ignore it.

00:43:32.000 Just ignore it.

00:43:34.000 That's good advice.

00:43:35.000 So there's two things I want to make sure we touch on.

00:43:38.000 Number one, your future.

00:43:40.000 So you're a student at Arizona State University, regardless of the smear campaign against you.

00:43:44.000 Is that right?

00:43:44.000 That is correct.

00:43:45.000 So our office is very pro-ASU, not U of A, is what I'm told.

00:43:50.000 I'm still learning the Arizona terrain around here.

00:43:52.000 What do you want to do with your life?

00:43:54.000 Well, I was looking at nursing school about two weeks ago.

00:43:57.000 I'll probably change it up another couple dozen times before I actually decide after my undergrad.

00:44:02.000 But right now, I'm looking at law school and getting into criminal justice.

00:44:05.000 And maybe go to school on campus?

00:44:08.000 They're trying to kick you off school.

00:44:09.000 Yeah, apparently there's a protest plan today or something.

00:44:12.000 They're saying that we don't want Kyle on campus and all of this.

00:44:16.000 Look, I've been protested differently than you.

00:44:19.000 Just persevere.

00:44:21.000 It's fine.

00:44:21.000 They'll run out of energy.

00:44:22.000 They got nothing better to do.

00:44:23.000 What they're trying to do is they've set up a situation where they couldn't get you through the legal system.

00:44:31.000 So now they're trying to make it so that you're canceled, right?

00:44:35.000 So you're going to be canceled from any other pressure point that they can find, whether that be campus or, you know, let's say you start a social media account and, you know, make it go public, or they go and just get a new turnover at Twitter.

00:44:50.000 It's the CEO today.

00:44:51.000 The new CEO is like a pro-censorship guy, right?

00:44:54.000 They're going to come out and say everything they can to shut you down and to shut you up because they, to your point, I don't think they want anyone to be able to successfully defend themselves under the Second Amendment, use that in a situation to positively express their, I guess, right to live and also their right to self-defense.

00:45:14.000 So any, your existence is a problem for them.

00:45:17.000 Yeah.

00:45:19.000 And look, I don't really care that they're protesting. 0.80

00:45:21.000 I think it's actually very silly and funny. 0.62

00:45:23.000 It's hilarious. 0.88

00:45:24.000 I agree with everybody's right to demonstrate no matter how silly it is.

00:45:28.000 But this is part of that whole media thing, right?

00:45:31.000 From the very beginning, there's just so many people who are so completely misinformed.

00:45:37.000 And as they get informed on just the basics, I think people start to recognize that this was purely self-defense and politics is just, it's just not involved in this case at all, period.

00:45:51.000 But I mean, to your point, there are people who want to use this one way or the other.

00:45:58.000 And that's just not what it's about.

00:46:02.000 It's about this young man who defended himself, period.

00:46:04.000 Full stop.

00:46:05.000 So, Kyle, you've learned a lot.

00:46:08.000 What lessons do you have for a young person that's in Antioch high school right now who's a senior in high school?

00:46:16.000 Go to college, get a degree, spend time with your family, enjoy life, because you never know what can happen the next day.

00:46:26.000 That's a lot of wisdom.

00:46:29.000 I want to close by having a conversation, and Dave, you and I chatted about this, about a certain injustice that was done to Kyle.

00:46:39.000 And so, Kyle, you could start, or Dave, you can, you know, and Jack, you guys can talk about this.

00:46:43.000 Kyle, you were in jail for too long.

00:46:45.000 That is correct.

00:46:46.000 Why were you in jail for 87 days?

00:46:48.000 So when I got arrested, John Pierce and Lynn Wood started raising funds without my family's permission.

00:46:57.000 And then they went on to fight an extradition using a novel argument saying I was in a militia.

00:47:04.000 John Pierce can't get paid.

00:47:05.000 Wood can get paid and grow his business and profit, apparently.

00:47:12.000 And while doing that, I said, I don't want to fight extradition.

00:47:16.000 I did nothing wrong.

00:47:17.000 I want to go litigate this in Wisconsin because I didn't do a single thing wrong.

00:47:23.000 They didn't respect my beliefs and they kept on doing that.

00:47:28.000 And then finally, we lose that extradition battle.

00:47:32.000 I get shipped off to Wisconsin.

00:47:34.000 John Pierce had no idea until I called him that I was in Wisconsin.

00:47:38.000 That's your lawyer.

00:47:39.000 That is my lawyer.

00:47:41.000 That's the one who just sat in court and argued some sort of bizarre 1780s argument that he's in an unorganized militia.

00:47:50.000 And he lost.

00:47:51.000 And you're not in an organized militia, right?

00:47:53.000 Look, I don't even know what a militia was.

00:47:54.000 Good answer.

00:47:55.000 Yeah.

00:47:56.000 And then Lynn Wood is going on with all this like QAnon stuff, Q Lynn. 0.88

00:48:02.000 And he's just off his rails completely insane.

00:48:06.000 He needs to get on meds or something.

00:48:09.000 And he's trying to claw back money raised for him.

00:48:15.000 So if I could put some more color on this when you're ready to go.

00:48:18.000 Explain this to the audience.

00:48:20.000 I honestly don't even know what the status of the money is.

00:48:23.000 And we'll get to that.

00:48:24.000 But I want you to walk through all this because you're a young boy, literally a boy by the law in jail, and your lawyers don't even know what state you're in. 0.98

00:48:33.000 No, it's ridiculous.

00:48:34.000 So I'm in Wisconsin, and I have to stay there an extra 20 days because Lynn Wood and John Pierce have to scramble to raise money.

00:48:44.000 When they had it, they could have raised, they had enough prior, but they wasted it on extradition instead of looking out for my best interest.

00:48:53.000 And then November 20th, I finally get bailed out.

00:48:56.000 And Lynn Wood and John Pierce like to think they're the heroes in this case.

00:49:01.000 They're just a bunch of fraud men.

00:49:03.000 So when this happened on the 25th, I was actually with Lynn Wood.

00:49:12.000 I don't like to admit that.

00:49:14.000 But so they started to bring money into the Fightback Foundation semi-informally.

00:49:23.000 There was about two or three other fundraising entities.

00:49:27.000 One was the Give, Send, Go fundraiser, which raised $585,000.

00:49:33.000 Where did that money go?

00:49:35.000 Wendy approved that money to be sent to Fightback, thinking that they would be good stewards.

00:49:44.000 By September 8th, Fightback knew that there was a $2 million bail.

00:49:52.000 The second he got extradited, that bail would have been set.

00:49:55.000 They knew.

00:49:56.000 Lynn said the focus needs to be on fighting extradition.

00:50:00.000 By this time, they had raised $1.2 million, right?

00:50:08.000 They could have raised that next eight.

00:50:11.000 They were a hindrance.

00:50:14.000 Once they got involved, they kept him in jail.

00:50:17.000 And I say for safety, but because John was charging $1,275 an hour, so he was looking for financial capital.

00:50:28.000 I don't want to blow past that.

00:50:31.000 They said we want to keep him in jail for his safety?

00:50:35.000 What do they mean by that?

00:50:38.000 They seem to believe this was their argument on the outside.

00:50:44.000 Now it's their argument.

00:50:45.000 We wanted him to stay safe, right?

00:50:49.000 Because Lynn was getting tons of political capital, right?

00:50:54.000 Because now you start talking about the election coming up and he was just all he cared about.

00:51:00.000 And I saw him and all he cared about was his Twitter followers skyrocketing, right?

00:51:05.000 And John was billing at $12.75 an hour.

00:51:08.000 So it was in his best financial interest.

00:51:13.000 So they kept him in jail.

00:51:14.000 The guy that's in $70 million debt.

00:51:16.000 Yeah.

00:51:17.000 So your lawyers were profiting off of your suffering.

00:51:21.000 That is correct.

00:51:22.000 And they like to say that it was for his safety.

00:51:24.000 They could have, and they knew on the 8th they could have raised that to him.

00:51:30.000 They spent 800 to a million dollars, 800 grand to a million dollars fighting extradition and lost in 30 seconds.

00:51:39.000 And what I find extremely disturbing is how Lynn Wood is out here saying I'm being handled like I'm a dog.

00:51:45.000 He doesn't realize how insulting that is to me.

00:51:48.000 I'm a grown man.

00:51:49.000 Well, I'm 18.

00:51:50.000 You've been through plenty.

00:51:51.000 You're a grown man.

00:51:52.000 Yeah, I make my own lifestyle.

00:51:55.000 It really ticks me off. 0.68

00:51:56.000 I have this insane lunatic saying I'm being handled, and then I'm like, Deep State. 0.83

00:52:02.000 Yeah, Deep State. 0.98

00:52:02.000 I'm like, what the hell is wrong with this person? 0.98

00:52:05.000 CIA, Deep State.

00:52:07.000 All this WAS. 0.52

00:52:08.000 Because I know Lynn, correct me if you're wrong, but didn't Lynn also represent Nick Sandman?

00:52:13.000 Until he was fired by Nick.

00:52:14.000 Briefly.

00:52:15.000 So he was fired as well.

00:52:17.000 Kyle, you were in the most vulnerable position a human being can be in.

00:52:21.000 I mean, not most, but it's there, right?

00:52:23.000 It's top five.

00:52:23.000 And then to have these attorneys come in and try to take advantage of it.

00:52:26.000 Yeah, so then you have these vultures come in while you're in jail without running water.

00:52:31.000 Is that correct?

00:52:32.000 The sheriff says that's not true, but I believe you.

00:52:35.000 Look, I didn't have running water.

00:52:38.000 I didn't tell anybody about it because I'm not a complainer.

00:52:40.000 Maybe I should have said something, but I didn't have running water.

00:52:44.000 You're never going to be in that situation again.

00:52:46.000 You should have said something.

00:52:46.000 That's a different top.

00:52:47.000 That's a different headline for this, by the way.

00:52:50.000 I'm not a complainer.

00:52:51.000 They had to re-raise that money.

00:52:54.000 And so then they had to re-raise the money while you're suffering in jail. 0.99

00:52:58.000 And what's enough, just to jump ahead, what's really disturbing is that this idiot cannot provide an accounting when me or my mom asks for him. 0.98

00:53:07.000 And when he does, it's on like a Google spreadsheet. 0.99

00:53:09.000 Correct.

00:53:10.000 He denied for over a year to have an independent third-party audit conducted of Fight Back Foundation, which was requested by Wendy on multiple occasions.

00:53:24.000 He didn't even provide an accounting, like what was brought in and what was spent until last month, and it's completely inaccurate.

00:53:34.000 So he absolutely, and he would not link to freecowusa.org, which is Wendy's fundraiser to raise money for him.

00:53:44.000 Now, you got to remember, Wendy started that fundraiser, she had zero dollars. 0.52

00:53:50.000 We had to re-raise all of that.

00:53:52.000 I want also the audience to know the financial status of the Rittenhouse family.

00:53:56.000 You dropped out of school to support your mom.

00:53:58.000 Is that correct?

00:53:59.000 I did.

00:54:00.000 I was working three jobs.

00:54:01.000 I was working at the YMCA RecPLEX and I was doing some landscaping gigs off the side.

00:54:06.000 So that's the net worth of the Rittenhouse family.

00:54:11.000 And then, and I'm not saying that diminishingly, I'm just offering context that then the only opportunity you had to get out of jail and get counsel was external support.

00:54:23.000 And no one really knew where the money went.

00:54:26.000 Oh, it went to John Pierce and to Lynn's ego for a while.

00:54:32.000 But Kyle, I'm just sensing this, and you could correct me if I'm wrong.

00:54:35.000 You're calm, cool, and collected until this topic.

00:54:38.000 It just two things in this world piss me off the most.

00:54:42.000 When Lunchbox says I'm not a student at ASU, and when Linwood likes to go off and say that I'm being handled, it just, it's disturbing.

00:54:51.000 Do you know what those two things have in common, though?

00:54:53.000 They're both lies.

00:54:54.000 Well, they're lies, but you earn both those things.

00:54:56.000 Exactly.

00:54:57.000 You earned your way into ASU and you earned it.

00:55:01.000 Yes, people have got to know that.

00:55:03.000 He dropped out in the 10th grade.

00:55:06.000 He finished two years, two years of schoolwork to graduate when this summer.

00:55:14.000 Yeah, over the summer.

00:55:15.000 Because your family needed help.

00:55:18.000 Yep.

00:55:19.000 And then you got into ASU and you earned your way and you should be proud of that.

00:55:24.000 And then also you have someone saying that you need to be handled.

00:55:26.000 You're like, actually, I can handle myself.

00:55:28.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:55:29.000 And he does.

00:55:30.000 I mean, he makes his own decisions.

00:55:31.000 Yes.

00:55:33.000 But I just want to say, so thank you to everybody who donated, to any medium who donated to Fightback, who donated to freecalusa.org, who donated to GiveSendGo.

00:55:46.000 Thank you to the millions.

00:55:48.000 I'm not kidding, the millions of Americans, people throughout the world that wanted to support him.

00:55:54.000 I mean, letters and prayers and the financial assistance was critical.

00:55:58.000 But the reality is his former attorneys have some explaining to do, period.

00:56:06.000 Before we go off the topic, let's make sure we state clearly, because I know people listening might have heard a lot of different names, what is the current official fundraiser for Kyle right now?

00:56:19.000 FreeCalUSA.org.

00:56:22.000 So if you go to freecalusa.org, that's going to be constantly changing with updates about what's happening with him, what's going sort of on with the family, things of that nature.

00:56:34.000 Let's start posting some puppy packs.

00:56:38.000 Now with Lynn Wood trying to claw back money raised for him, I mean, there are security costs that go into his everyday life and his family's everyday life.

00:56:48.000 Sort of moving forward, there's a lot of costs as it relates to potential future legal actions against some people who might have said some things.

00:57:00.000 But there's also costs associated with just holding accountable both Lynn Wood and John Pierce, which are costs that need to be put up to defend him.

00:57:14.000 So there's $2 million.

00:57:15.000 $2 million.

00:57:16.000 That was a bond that's up for grabs right now.

00:57:18.000 Is that correct?

00:57:21.000 So on the day I'm standing in front of a jury to learn my fate, to learn my fate, this guy has the audacity to submit a motion in the court saying, this is our $2 million and we want it now.

00:57:37.000 As I'm standing in front of a jury.

00:57:38.000 But it's even worse than that, right, Kyle?

00:57:40.000 It was as soon as they announced a verdict was in.

00:57:43.000 Before.

00:57:44.000 So they had it all written ready to go.

00:57:46.000 Yeah.

00:57:47.000 And as soon as they said the verdict is in, these guys filed a motion to allocate that bond to them.

00:57:55.000 And let me just, just real quick, he has admitted he's been spending all the donations to pay for his personal legal bills and his security and stuff.

00:58:07.000 So this is a man that hasn't provided any transparency to Wendy, to him, to their lawyers, except for a lot of years.

00:58:20.000 For a year, except for a spreadsheet that he posts online and says, I'm the hero.

00:58:26.000 So yes, that $2 million will be dealt with through the courts.

00:58:31.000 It's not going to be dealt with on Telegram.

00:58:34.000 And the evidence matters, right?

00:58:38.000 And, you know, real quick, just to throw out for the audience, this actually is the bail reform kind of issue that people always talk about, not necessarily for you because you didn't get thrown $1,000 like this guy in Waukesha.

00:58:50.000 This was $2 million.

00:58:51.000 So the whole idea behind the bail system is that you're putting up the money as collateral for you to be able to be released because you then showing up in court and participating in your trial, that becomes your incentive, your financial incentive for participating in the trials that you get your money back.

00:59:07.000 Tell them about the cash bail.

00:59:07.000 And it's a cash bail.

00:59:09.000 So it is a cash bail system.

00:59:10.000 You pay all of it.

00:59:11.000 It's $2 million.

00:59:12.000 Unlike Illinois, how we're used to, it's the 20%. 0.97

00:59:15.000 In some states, it's like 10.

00:59:17.000 Or you could use like bail bonds.

00:59:18.000 Yeah.

00:59:19.000 But there's none of that in Wisconsin.

00:59:20.000 Oh, so really?

00:59:21.000 And you had to pay the full amount.

00:59:21.000 Okay.

00:59:23.000 My motive for going to trial or going to court wasn't the $2 million.

00:59:27.000 No, no, I'm not saying that.

00:59:28.000 I'm just saying that's the explain the system.

00:59:30.000 But that it's to ensure your appearance in court.

00:59:30.000 Yeah.

00:59:36.000 My insurance.

00:59:37.000 So paying the legal bills from December, the company created to be the financial entity to help Wendy because she had to raise her own money was always in the red.

00:59:53.000 I mean, his lawyers carried some significant costs because it started at zero and there was really no news going on about this whole thing, which was intentional, but still, so started in the red.

01:00:08.000 And because of all the Americans and everybody who watches you guys and who supports him and the right of self-defense, we've been able to catch up significantly.

01:00:19.000 We should probably also mention Facebook was banning anyone who posted positively.

01:00:26.000 If you boasted, say, you know, I think Kyle Rittenhouse didn't do anything wrong, and here's a link to if you want to support him, banned.

01:00:33.000 Just his name.

01:00:35.000 Yeah.

01:00:36.000 Just his name.

01:00:37.000 And they called him a mass shooter.

01:00:39.000 They called him a mass shooter.

01:00:41.000 That came from old Markey himself.

01:00:43.000 Call him a mass shooter.

01:00:44.000 And they actually had to come out and be honest because they got sued.

01:00:51.000 They had to say that he had no affiliation with any of these groups.

01:00:56.000 He never visited any of the pages.

01:00:58.000 Yet, in the same breath, they still call him a mass shooter, right?

01:01:03.000 It's shameful, shameful what Facebook did.

01:01:08.000 And thank you to the millions of people around the country, not just the U.S., who have donated and supported us throughout this entire battle.

01:01:17.000 It truly means a lot to me and my family.

01:01:20.000 The world.

01:01:21.000 I mean, there were people who are donating from all countries across the world who saw.

01:01:26.000 I was, I got so many postcards and letters from like Germany, Poland, from everywhere.

01:01:33.000 You have multiple battles.

01:01:35.000 Yeah.

01:01:36.000 You were being taken advantage of from within.

01:01:38.000 You have the media smearing as the worst thing ever.

01:01:40.000 And then I have a binger.

01:01:42.000 And then you got binger and lunchbox.

01:01:44.000 And you've won all of them.

01:01:46.000 Pretty much, yeah.

01:01:48.000 Last, last thing.

01:01:49.000 You mentioned this briefly in your conversation with Tucker.

01:01:53.000 I believe the Lord has his hand on you.

01:01:56.000 Talk about that.

01:01:58.000 I believe God has been with me from the beginning.

01:02:00.000 I pray every night.

01:02:02.000 I believe he's helped guide me in the right direction.

01:02:05.000 He's helped bring people into my world, such as Dave, LT, Mark, Corey, Joellen, John's husband, who's just helped me throughout this.

01:02:15.000 And he hasn't gave me the answers, but he's helped point me in the right direction.

01:02:22.000 Well, there'll be more details that come out eventually, but you were very close to some such bad intervention from forces that it would have been tough to recover from, just with the kind of group of people you were kind of chatting about.

01:02:39.000 And I think we have to just put this out.

01:02:40.000 Look, he's not sponsored by Under Armor.

01:02:42.000 He's never talked about it.

01:02:44.000 Right?

01:02:44.000 Right.

01:02:46.000 Yeah, Under Armor is going to really have to do that.

01:02:48.000 State management.

01:02:49.000 I'm happy to give you tons of turning point swag.

01:02:52.000 If I can ask a quick question, this is something that my wife had asked me to ask.

01:02:56.000 But how's your family doing with all this?

01:02:59.000 We're hanging in there.

01:03:01.000 Huge weight off of our shoulder.

01:03:03.000 You had a good Thanksgiving.

01:03:03.000 Thanks.

01:03:04.000 Of course.

01:03:04.000 We had a great Thanksgiving.

01:03:05.000 Awesome.

01:03:06.000 We had some turkey.

01:03:07.000 My favorite is green bean casseroles.

01:03:10.000 But Kyle, you, at a young age, you were called into something that is unprecedented.

01:03:16.000 And You're a smart kid.

01:03:20.000 You got a lot.

01:03:20.000 You got a lot ahead of you.

01:03:22.000 Thank you very much, Charlotte.

01:03:23.000 And so freekyleusa.org, is that right?

01:03:25.000 Freekyleusa.org, yes, sir.

01:03:28.000 Any closing thoughts, Jack?

01:03:30.000 Look, Dave, one of the times that you called me, I remember I said this, and I've said it to a lot of people that, you know, I'm Catholic.

01:03:38.000 That's the way I look at it.

01:03:42.000 I think God had his hand on you that night.

01:03:44.000 I really do.

01:03:46.000 And I think you put...

01:03:48.000 A lot of people in that situation and they might not have made it out of there without that kind of support.

01:03:54.000 And so whether, you know, you're out there and you're someone who believes in something as literal as a guardian angel or just having that intervention come in, whatever the mechanism is, that's the one thing I always see when I watch those videos.

01:04:08.000 And then when I saw what happened in that court.

01:04:10.000 So not only was he there in the street, he was there in that courthouse and he was there in that jury room.

01:04:16.000 Someone was definitely watching over me that night.

01:04:20.000 Thank you guys so much for having me on.

01:04:22.000 It really means.

01:04:23.000 God bless you guys.

01:04:24.000 Thank you guys for the honest journalism.

01:04:25.000 Yeah, of course.

01:04:26.000 Thank you guys.

01:04:28.000 Great.

01:04:28.000 Thank you.

01:04:29.000 You bet.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 30, 2021

The Rittenhouse Interview | A Charlie Kirk Show Exclusive

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