The Charlie Kirk Show - The RNC Teams Up with NBC with Mollie Hemingway and Alina Habba

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00:00:07.000 Molly Hemingway about breaking news on how the federal government colluded to smear and censor conservative speech and why is the RNC partnering with NBC News?

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00:01:13.000 Molly Hemingway, the great Molly Hemingway, joins us.

00:01:16.000 Molly, this is yet another chapter of you joining our program of a great I Told You So on your wonderful book, Rigged.

00:01:24.000 I got to tell you, I love that book.

00:01:25.000 I have given out to so many friends.

00:01:26.000 Anyone who questions, oh, Charlie, why do you talk about 2020 election?

00:01:30.000 I said, you have to read Rigged.

00:01:31.000 And now this is yet another example that your hypothesis was right.

00:01:35.000 Tell us about this bombshell story made possible thanks to Jim Jordan.

00:01:39.000 Yeah, Rigged was looking at how elections had lost their integrity due to attacks on election laws, how our media are corrupt propagandists, but also how big tech censors news and information that's key to Americans knowing the issues so that they can vote properly.

00:01:58.000 And so this is about that aspect of it.

00:02:00.000 Jim Jordan came out with a report that various Americans across the political spectrum, but almost exclusively on the right, were censored in draconian ways by the censorship industrial complex.

00:02:14.000 Partly that means the government was directing people what to do to set up censorship organizations, but also who to censor.

00:02:21.000 These organizations went after people who questioned the security or integrity of the 2020 election and suppressed information, reporting, and debate about the seriousness of that issue.

00:02:35.000 And they've got the goods and you and I were two of the top people who were censored in this.

00:02:41.000 Yeah, so let's dive into the details here.

00:02:42.000 So the Cyber Security and Infrastructure Security Agency, CISA, and the Global Engagement Center, GEC, part of the DHS, and the State Department, they colluded with Stanford.

00:02:53.000 We are seeing this as a pattern, right, Molly, which is I will outsource the unconstitutional behavior that I can't quite do, but I'm still controlling it through winks and nods and strings.

00:03:03.000 And so then Stanford had this election integrity project, a collection of alleged disinformation experts who used the disinformation label to then promote sweeping ideological controls online.

00:03:15.000 And these tech companies were more than happy to receive these reports to then censor us.

00:03:19.000 Do I have that about right?

00:03:21.000 Yep, that's exactly right.

00:03:22.000 And I wouldn't say that they absolved themselves of any problems with the First Amendment by outsourcing this.

00:03:28.000 In fact, that's what's in play with a variety of lawsuits that are working their way through the courts now.

00:03:35.000 Is it something that you can, instead of saying, I personally will censor this person, saying to someone else, you need to censor this, or setting up organizations with the express purpose of censoring speech and violating Americans' First Amendment rights?

00:03:49.000 Thus far, we have quite a few courts saying, in fact, that that is a violation of First Amendment rights by these government agencies.

00:03:55.000 Yeah, and I totally agree.

00:03:57.000 It doesn't absolve them of any sort of recourse.

00:03:59.000 Is there going to be, you think, serious lawsuits then presented to try to sue the department, to sue the federal government for obvious constitutional violations?

00:04:09.000 So, first off, I think we need to acknowledge that the information that came out this week is because of a lawsuit that was filed by the Attorney General of Missouri, the Attorney General of Louisiana.

00:04:20.000 That Attorney General of Missouri is now Senator Eric Schmidt of Missouri.

00:04:26.000 He's cared deeply about this.

00:04:27.000 And I know, you know, from talking to people close to him, they knew there was a problem with the censorship industrial complex.

00:04:34.000 When they started pursuing this, they had no idea how bad it was.

00:04:38.000 Going through discovery, which is where each side, you know, kind of has to like reveal information.

00:04:43.000 They were overwhelmed by how much censorship was being engaged in by, you know, not just a few federal agencies, but by a ton of federal agencies, how they had set up outside groups at universities and other NGOs, and then how they were colluding with big tech companies to suppress news and information.

00:05:01.000 So already this shows the importance of having the courage, like Eric Schmidt had the courage, to file a lawsuit here because we got so much more news and information.

00:05:11.000 But other people need to do it as well as we learn more about this behemoth that is the censorship industrial complex.

00:05:18.000 So Molly, I've asked this question before, and just, you know, give us the honest truth.

00:05:22.000 What are the material improvements that we've seen since your publication of the book Rigged in the States That Matter?

00:05:28.000 And what are the things that you honestly sigh and you say, this is still a major vulnerability heading into next November?

00:05:36.000 So I actually think the most important thing is relative to 2020, the voters on the right and their institutions on the right are doing far more or even just aware of the importance of election integrity.

00:05:50.000 If you take yourself back to 2020 and there was this like weird election, everybody kind of knew it was weird, but nobody really knew what was going on.

00:05:57.000 You cannot say that now.

00:05:58.000 You have grassroots groups across the country, particularly in swing states who are very aware of how ballot harvesting schemes take place, what to do to combat illegal voting or voting, like lack of security with voting.

00:06:14.000 And they're also being smarter about how to harvest ballots for or yeah, how to harvest ballots for their teams.

00:06:20.000 And so even though there's a, I just say like the Republican Party and people on the right are completely outgunned, completely outfunded, and there's not the level of coordination that you see on the left.

00:06:33.000 It is also true that even with everything that was done in 2020, that election came down to 43,000 votes across three states.

00:06:40.000 People on the right don't need to be as good as the left to compete.

00:06:40.000 Right.

00:06:44.000 They just need to be in the game to have some sort of hope of winning some of these races. 0.60

00:06:50.000 Yeah.

00:06:50.000 And I would add to that, the liberation of X or Twitter or whatever is a major win, right, Molly?

00:06:56.000 I mean, to be able now to have a platform where we could basically say what we want, how we want, and see it go viral.

00:07:03.000 I think that's a huge victory for the narrative war.

00:07:06.000 I will say what you have pinpointed is a positive.

00:07:09.000 I agree, but I also have some concern, which is that election integrity is such a thing.

00:07:14.000 I don't want to see it depress our turnout.

00:07:17.000 Molly, is that a concern that you share?

00:07:19.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:19.000 And I always try to remind people of what happened in the South, you know, when through the way, the sort of tricky way that people were practicing elections, they basically disenfranchised the Democrat Party disenfranchised an entire race of people, black people.

00:07:35.000 And rather than get depressed and say, like, oh, this whole thing is corrupt.

00:07:39.000 There's nothing we can do.

00:07:40.000 People didn't give up.

00:07:42.000 They just fought to improve the processes and procedures and laws.

00:07:46.000 And they kept voting and they kept fighting.

00:07:48.000 And so that's, you know, and that's really the story throughout American history.

00:07:51.000 We've never had perfect elections, but it does require you to know what's going on, to be engaged.

00:07:57.000 And I would say the number one thing for that part too, a lot of people, you see them think of election day as like a single day or elections as a single day.

00:08:06.000 It's really a season that can last two months or more.

00:08:09.000 So being on top of what's happening, that's not something where you can show up on election day and monitor the polls.

00:08:14.000 You really need to be monitoring everything for months leading up to the actual election day.

00:08:19.000 Yeah, and I sure hope that people are starting to, you know, embrace this more, especially the early balloting, early voting.

00:08:27.000 And, you know, I see the, I don't trust the Democrats at all, obviously.

00:08:32.000 What would you say is our weakest spot of vulnerability that we have to shore up being an expert on this topic, Molly?

00:08:40.000 I actually just think changing the mindset from elections are won by people who persuade the most voters to organically vote, get that out of your mind.

00:08:48.000 That's how elections used to be run.

00:08:50.000 That's definitely far preferable.

00:08:51.000 That's, that's good for the country.

00:08:53.000 Change it into this idea that whoever gets the most ballots into the box wins.

00:08:59.000 And thinking how to play the game according to the rules that are currently written, and that is ballots in box.

00:09:07.000 That means you have to reach out to people who may not know anything about the issues in play.

00:09:11.000 They may not know anything about an election taking place and taking over, you know, like just emulating what Democrats have done there, taking over as much of the process as you have the resources to bear to compete in that environment.

00:09:25.000 I don't, I'm not, I'm not saying I like this in any way.

00:09:28.000 I really think it's bad for the country.

00:09:30.000 But if you want to win elections, you have to play them according to the rules that are there.

00:09:33.000 And that means either participating in or funding or otherwise supporting ballot harvesting operations.

00:09:40.000 Molly, I want to ask you, you had a tweet on this.

00:09:42.000 What the heck is the RNC thinking partnering with Lester Holt and NBC News?

00:09:47.000 What on earth is this all about?

00:09:49.000 And Kristen Walker, Kristen Walker, who just lied in a debate and ran defense for Democrats, lying about what their position on abortion is. 1.00

00:09:56.000 Like, I understand why Democrats don't want to admit that they vote regularly to support abortion through any, for any reason, at any point in a pregnancy, six, seven, eight months.

00:10:07.000 I understand why that's something they want to hide, but a so-called journalist shouldn't be doing that.

00:10:12.000 Kristen Walker lied about that in her debate with Trump.

00:10:15.000 And how can she now be, again, she's not like a moderator, she's a debater. 0.95

00:10:18.000 And so they're having, they chose to have her.

00:10:22.000 Why would you ever think that our corrupt propaganda press would in any way change what they're doing when they are rewarded with debates?

00:10:30.000 Also, you have this problem with Republican primary debates.

00:10:33.000 Republican voters almost never get to hear the questions or answers according to the way they view things.

00:10:40.000 During a Republican primary, the moderators, the so-called moderators, they'll ask questions like, how could you possibly care about a border?

00:10:47.000 Or how could you possibly care about rule of law?

00:10:50.000 You know, it's always these like weird left-wing questions about abortion or anything.

00:10:54.000 And a lot of Republican voters, you know, they want to figure out who they want to vote for.

00:10:58.000 They want to use these as an opportunity to look through issues.

00:11:01.000 They're not going to get it from left-wing activists like Lester Holt and Kristen Walker. 1.00

00:11:06.000 Honestly, Molly, you should be a moderator and you would ask the tough pro-life question in a way that a Republican voter cares about and like a primary voter cares about.

00:11:15.000 Instead, they, and I said this previously, you might as well have Letitia James and Alvin Bragg as debate moderators.

00:11:20.000 That's where we're at.

00:11:22.000 And it's going to be prosecutorial type questioning.

00:11:26.000 And you want to pull up a chair?

00:11:28.000 That's what one of them should say tomorrow.

00:11:29.000 You want to pull up a chair, Lester Holt, and debate?

00:11:31.000 Are you asking the questions or are you trying to debate us?

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00:12:39.000 Give me the devil's advocate or the best possible explanation because the RNC doesn't talk to me.

00:12:45.000 Outside of Q Hewitt, who I really like, and I'm friends with him, even though we don't agree on everything, what is the RNC's argument for partnering with NBC News?

00:12:52.000 Why not the Federalist?

00:12:53.000 Why not Daily Wire?

00:12:54.000 It's not like there's a lacking of right-wing media, Molly.

00:12:59.000 So I can defend them on this point, which is if you're trying to reach the largest possible audience, basically corporate media has a complete monopoly on the ability to reach large swaths of the American population.

00:13:13.000 And so no one's going to have that type of TV broadcast reach.

00:13:17.000 Now, having said that, of all the years that you might try to experiment with something else, this feels like it would be the year.

00:13:23.000 You know, have Joe Rogan do a podcast about these people, you know, something that reaches like a completely different group of voters, but has a massive audience.

00:13:32.000 But in their defense, like because the left controls all of our institutions, the academy, all of our media, that makes it very difficult to break out from it.

00:13:40.000 And it's also the why I would like, or, you know, one of the things they could have done was maybe bring alongside these left-wing networks people who are much more conservative.

00:13:52.000 Now, I do have reason to believe that these left-wing networks refuse to deal with journalists who, for instance, call them on their hoaxes and scams like the Russia collusion hoax or how they cover other things.

00:14:04.000 But that's where a political party might play a little hardball.

00:14:07.000 I hear you on that argument, Molly, and I want to take it as seriously because I thought about it.

00:14:11.000 But isn't this a primary voter issue, right?

00:14:14.000 I mean, don't you want to reach the most primary voters?

00:14:17.000 I don't think the typical viewer of NBC News Nightly with Lester Holtz lying is going to be an Iowa caucus goer, right?

00:14:24.000 I would imagine that it's more of a Matt Walsh or Candace Owens or Steve Bannon or Dan Bongino or Ben Shapiro, that sort of mold, more so than Kristen Welker's Meet the Press.

00:14:36.000 Can you just remind our audience, Molly, of the hoaxes NBC News has been responsible for?

00:14:42.000 It's not just the two, you know, left-wing activists that call themselves moderators.

00:14:47.000 It's the institution of NBC News that has been responsible for some of the most irresponsible, has been responsible for some of the most reckless journalism in the last couple of years.

00:14:57.000 Remind our audience.

00:14:59.000 Yeah, so I think one example that might be worth remembering is what they did to smear Justice Brett Kavanaugh as a serial gang rapist roaming the streets of suburban Maryland.

00:15:10.000 They highlighted the, you know, there was like an accuser who had one of the most outlandish and indefensible and completely like just made up stories about him running a gang.

00:15:23.000 I mean, it was like a federal judge for 12 years, you know, but she claimed without evidence that he'd run a gang that was like roaming the countryside preying on people.

00:15:33.000 And they gave her a prime time interview.

00:15:35.000 So that's just like an example of how far afield that network is.

00:15:40.000 And, you know, they have Rachel Maddow on there. 0.68

00:15:43.000 They've seen like these most left-wing people who have engaged in information operations against the American people that are really bad.

00:15:51.000 Like, you know, basically refusing to accept the legitimacy of the 2016 election for years, suppressing all manner of news and information that is important for people to vote on.

00:16:02.000 Like, that's one of the things about what we started with with this censorship regime.

00:16:06.000 They don't just censor like typical campaign stuff or politician says this or politician says that.

00:16:13.000 They censor every single story that matters to voters, whether it's trans issues, what's happening at school boards, what's happening on the border, what's happening in foreign policy.

00:16:24.000 They censor and suppress conservative speech and debate, and they amplify and elevate left-wing debate.

00:16:31.000 That is a level of meddling in our election that is unprecedented in history.

00:16:38.000 It really is incredible.

00:16:39.000 There is a whole community of right-wing hosts like yourself, Molly, that are smart and articulate and trusted by the base.

00:16:47.000 And instead of having, I mean, again, the last debate they had this open borders activist, this Univision person.

00:16:53.000 At some point, Republican voters are going to say, I want to see the dialogue between Dan Bongino and Nikki Haley.

00:17:01.000 I think that would be far more interesting than Lester Holt and Chris Christie.

00:17:05.000 Molly Hemingway, great work.

00:17:06.000 Thank you so much.

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00:18:11.000 Joining us now is Alina Hubba, who has been doing a great job defending our favorite president. 0.73

00:18:17.000 Alina, thank you so much for taking the time.

00:18:19.000 First, give us an update of what's been happening in the courthouse.

00:18:24.000 You had a very fiery statement yesterday about the judge and him talking to President Trump.

00:18:31.000 And by the way, this trial seems like it's just going on forever.

00:18:33.000 Give us the latest update straight from the front lines.

00:18:37.000 Sure.

00:18:38.000 The fiery exchange was probably me calming myself down, frankly, considering what I wanted to say.

00:18:44.000 The judge has repeatedly interrupted the president.

00:18:47.000 He doesn't want to hear facts that are not good for his case.

00:18:50.000 That's really clear.

00:18:51.000 And what he has done is gagged the attorneys when we bring things to light that we think reveal bias.

00:19:00.000 And it's concerning.

00:19:02.000 There is a decision that was already made before we walked into this case.

00:19:06.000 He found us liable on summary judgment before he even heard a witness, before he heard from our experts. 0.56

00:19:12.000 And that is the banana republic that we are currently living in, Charlie.

00:19:16.000 He's angry.

00:19:17.000 He was very defensive yesterday.

00:19:18.000 And the president was calm, spoke well.

00:19:21.000 And when he spoke about properties, the fake news would say he was rambling on.

00:19:25.000 But what he was doing was giving people a view into 50-plus years from the biggest real estate tycoon in New York, explaining how flawed their case really is because they don't understand real estate.

00:19:36.000 They don't understand basic principles of accounting.

00:19:40.000 And it did get fiery in there.

00:19:43.000 Yeah, so for people that are hard to track here, what exactly is the state alleging here?

00:19:48.000 What is the state's case at this point?

00:19:49.000 It seems to be meandering.

00:19:50.000 They're bringing in the kids.

00:19:52.000 They're questioning accounting practices.

00:19:54.000 They're ignoring obvious disclaimers.

00:19:57.000 They're also not even mentioning that in real estate.

00:20:01.000 The beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

00:20:03.000 It's a very subjective medium where people are willing to overpay or sometimes underpay based on what they need.

00:20:10.000 You know, I need a certain piece of land attached to another one.

00:20:14.000 Somebody else might say, I don't want anything to do with it.

00:20:17.000 Also, not even talking about the brand of Trump, which is very valuable and also very hard to put a number on.

00:20:23.000 So what exactly is the state's case here?

00:20:26.000 To put it mildly, a great example would be that the judge thinks that the tax assessed value of a property like Mar-a-Lago that goes from intercoastal to beach, that is, you know, 50 plus acres, a masterpiece.

00:20:42.000 It's historic, that that's worth $18 million.

00:20:44.000 And if you put that on your tax assessment, then that must be your admission of the value of your property.

00:20:50.000 And then on the flip side, you have Letitia James holding press conferences that further show the idiocy of this case, where she says that in 2011, President Trump got a loan and the bank said that the value was 200-something million.

00:21:02.000 Deutsche Bank, mind you, sophisticated banks that were doing their own due diligence.

00:21:07.000 But President Trump put on a statement of financial condition that he believes it's worth $500 million.

00:21:11.000 Well, if you look at comps in 2011, you can't get anything even close to 40 wall for 500 million.

00:21:17.000 That was conservative.

00:21:18.000 But she's using loan documents. 1.00

00:21:21.000 She's using banks, sophisticated banks, to target President Trump and say that there must be a victim. 1.00

00:21:26.000 There was no victim.

00:21:28.000 And what they've done is used a consumer fraud statute against a private sector business because we don't have the right to a jury.

00:21:35.000 We have this judge who has for three years been ruling against us.

00:21:41.000 And we're in a situation where she's really fighting a fight for Deutsche Bank, who's never brought a claim because they were always paid in full.

00:21:47.000 And frankly, the Trumps never defaulted.

00:21:50.000 They paid them in full with interest.

00:21:52.000 So it's a big waste of taxpayer dollars. 0.96

00:21:54.000 And that's the gist of their ridiculous case. 0.97

00:21:57.000 Yeah. 0.88

00:21:57.000 And so did the judge actually say, I don't want to hear from President Trump. 0.88

00:22:02.000 I mean, fill us in on this.

00:22:04.000 Is unbelievable.

00:22:05.000 Sure.

00:22:06.000 I became frustrated, but I'm always professional.

00:22:09.000 And at one point, the judge kept cutting my client off when he was giving testimony that hurt the AG's case.

00:22:15.000 He's been very, very clear.

00:22:17.000 He believes in the AG's case.

00:22:19.000 He already made that determination.

00:22:20.000 He's not interested in us wasting his time.

00:22:22.000 He said that repeatedly.

00:22:24.000 He tells us to move things along repeatedly.

00:22:26.000 And he was cutting off the former president sitting on the witness stand, cooperating and being a civil, decent defendant who was subpoenaed to come here and get off the campaign trail.

00:22:37.000 So I, as his attorney, stood up and said, Your honor, I apologize, but you have got to stop cutting him off every time he's explaining why values are what they are or why loan documents aren't as clear-cut as they may think they are.

00:22:50.000 You are cutting him off, and he has a right to testify as a defendant, as is every American.

00:22:54.000 And his response was, I'm not here to hear what he has to say.

00:23:00.000 And quite honestly, Charlie, I just looked at the computer and made sure that that was on the record and sat down.

00:23:04.000 And actually, I didn't sit down.

00:23:06.000 He screamed at me, sit down in a manner I've never seen, slammed on his desk.

00:23:10.000 And it was completely disrespectful.

00:23:12.000 And I said it yesterday.

00:23:14.000 I'll say it again.

00:23:15.000 It was unhinged.

00:23:16.000 Yeah.

00:23:16.000 And so this is not a jury trial.

00:23:18.000 This judge obviously has a hatred, a venom towards President Trump.

00:23:25.000 This is just the penalty phase, isn't it, Alina?

00:23:28.000 So explain that to our audience.

00:23:30.000 This is, again, I'm by no means a legal expert, but for some people in our audience, they're wondering, they're like, well, because I mean, you have to understand a lot, people are very busy.

00:23:40.000 You know, they're working two jobs, trying to get their kids to school.

00:23:44.000 And, you know, they hear about Jack Smith and Fannie Willis and Alvin Bragg.

00:23:48.000 This one has just not come out of nowhere because you've been warning about this for months.

00:23:51.000 Obviously, you've been working on it.

00:23:53.000 But this is a penalty type phase where the judge is the jury judge and executioner.

00:24:00.000 Is that an over-exaggeration here, Alina?

00:24:03.000 No, no, he executed us before we walked into the courtroom.

00:24:07.000 granted a motion before we started the trial saying that we were liable and he is firm on that.

00:24:13.000 Of course, that's on appeal.

00:24:14.000 However, the issue is that he continued with this trial.

00:24:17.000 He disregarded statute of limitations, meaning how far back can an AG go and look at your finances.

00:24:24.000 In any normal world, it would never go past 2016, and that's a stretch.

00:24:29.000 They're looking at evidence from 2011.

00:24:31.000 Even though the appellate division said those statute limitations are in place for a reason, you have to respect them.

00:24:36.000 He doesn't.

00:24:38.000 We really are in a banana republic in there.

00:24:40.000 So he already said we're guilty of fraud.

00:24:43.000 He is now putting on a show wasting taxpayer dollars, wasting President Trump's money, frankly, because all he wants to do now is get bad evidence out and suppress anybody that's going to put in good evidence.

00:24:54.000 So it's clearly political.

00:24:55.000 We're just effectively here to see if we're liable on six duplicative counts of civil fraud, not criminal, and what the damages are.

00:25:06.000 And if Letitia gets her way, she wants to completely dissolve the Trump organization. 1.00

00:25:11.000 She wants to put real people out of business, real individuals out of work. 0.92

00:25:16.000 And she wants to disgorge the Trumps from a quarter of a million dollars of profits that they made in one year. 1.00

00:25:23.000 That says it all.

00:25:24.000 I mean, it's a great company.

00:25:25.000 That's what they make in a year.

00:25:27.000 But she ran on this platform, Charlie, and her politics are not going to allow her to back down without a fight. 1.00

00:25:33.000 So she gets there, she does her press thing, and I get up and do it right back to her.

00:25:38.000 But it's a waste of money and it's a waste of time.

00:25:40.000 This judge has a very creepy pattern on his high school alumni newsletter posting like half-naked pictures.

00:25:47.000 It's very strange, very creepy, very weird.

00:25:51.000 And I want to play this other piece.

00:25:52.000 So the prosecutor, though, this should be dismissed for bias immediately.

00:25:57.000 And I hope everyone understands this, that Donald Trump was one of the major reasons why New York went through a revitalization.

00:26:04.000 Donald Trump poured billions of dollars into New York through jobs and wages and tax revenue and new wealth created.

00:26:12.000 Not just Trump Tower, not just the Woman Rink, not just the Plaza Hotel, not just the revitalization of the convention center, not just the Commodore Hotel.

00:26:21.000 It's all up and down New York in charity and in philanthropy and in job creation.

00:26:27.000 And the very same city that he revitalized, that he made the gem, the center of the planet, is now turning their power against him.

00:26:36.000 It is one, it is the buried lead of this entire thing.

00:26:39.000 It's not like Donald Trump is a visitor to New York and then he like passively had some business, right?

00:26:44.000 He built modern New York alongside maybe a couple dozen other people.

00:26:48.000 It was Donald Trump's vision, his grit.

00:26:51.000 New York City was a third world hellhole in the late 70s and early 80s.

00:26:55.000 It was not a safe city.

00:26:57.000 You could not walk the streets. 1.00

00:26:58.000 It was full of prostitutes and hookers and gangbangers. 1.00

00:27:01.000 And Donald Trump had a vision to clean it up and turn it into the gem that we now know it. 0.99

00:27:05.000 And now they're putting him on a show trial.

00:27:07.000 It's honestly one of the tragedies that needs to be continually mentioned.

00:27:10.000 Play Cut 46. 1.00

00:27:29.000 I mean, this is like South African kill the boar stuff. 0.99

00:27:32.000 I mean, too male, too pale, too stale.

00:27:34.000 I mean, that's just one of many, Alina, of where she says, I'm getting elected just to go after Trump.

00:27:39.000 So, what is the remedy?

00:27:40.000 What is the appeal process here?

00:27:42.000 What does that look like?

00:27:43.000 Do you have faith that the appellate level in the state of New York has any sort of fairness that this current judge does not have?

00:27:52.000 I think there's a lot of options.

00:27:54.000 There's ethics, there's ethics boards, there are ways that we can hold, and New York citizens can hold her feet to the fire and hold her accountable for what she's doing, not just me.

00:28:07.000 And then there is, of course, the appellate division, which we have exercised fully along this entire path.

00:28:14.000 The problem that we have is we have a judge who is not even recognizing rulings from the appellate division in regards to statute limitations.

00:28:22.000 His mind is made up.

00:28:23.000 Her mind is made up.

00:28:25.000 And effectively, he's just an arm of the Democratic Party.

00:28:28.000 And that's what you have when you have elected officials who are making decisions.

00:28:33.000 They want to, you know, he's going to be retiring soon.

00:28:36.000 He's looking to his future.

00:28:37.000 He wants to make a name for himself.

00:28:38.000 And he's making quite the name for himself.

00:28:40.000 Whether it's the one he intended or not, he'll definitely be remembered.

00:28:45.000 But it's a corrupt system.

00:28:47.000 It's wrong.

00:28:48.000 That was a video that she posted before she was attorney general, before she knew anything about the Trump organization.

00:28:54.000 She predetermined that they had committed fraud, and she was basically fitting a round peg in a square, you know, a square peg in a round hole.

00:29:03.000 And that's what Letitia James has done and continues to do.

00:29:06.000 The level of tyranny that we are seeing is completely unprecedented.

00:29:11.000 There's some other legal analysis I want to just emphasize.

00:29:14.000 We know that the judge has made up his mind.

00:29:16.000 And so they're speaking to a, I mean, in some ways, I know you're kind of speaking to a different audience, the appellate audience.

00:29:23.000 And I mean, Alina, you love the city of New York.

00:29:26.000 These people have no concern or seeming fiduciary duty over the well-being of New York.

00:29:33.000 Letitia James, this judge, they seem to just want to burn it all down based on revenge and spite the. 0.81

00:29:43.000 I mean, Alina, let's just play this out.

00:29:44.000 What happens to the thousands of employees of the Trump organization if Letitia James gets her way? 1.00

00:29:49.000 It's a really complicated question.

00:29:53.000 I don't know.

00:29:54.000 I don't know, and I don't want to speculate.

00:29:56.000 I would like to think that my lawyering will save them and save the company.

00:29:59.000 And I have no reason to believe it won't.

00:30:02.000 You know, if she had her way, she would wipe everybody off. 1.00

00:30:05.000 And she doesn't care about the citizens of New York.

00:30:07.000 She cares about her politics.

00:30:08.000 That's it.

00:30:09.000 And this is getting her a press moment.

00:30:11.000 And she needs to think a little bigger and a little less selfishly. 0.89

00:30:14.000 But this is Trump derangement syndrome in a nutshell.

00:30:17.000 This is what this is.

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00:31:44.000 Alina, talk about how the kids are now involved.

00:31:47.000 Don Jr., Eric, Ivanka.

00:31:49.000 These people are relentless and ruthless.

00:31:51.000 And they're trying to loop the entire family into this.

00:31:55.000 That's right.

00:31:56.000 That's right.

00:31:57.000 Look, they brought the boys in.

00:32:00.000 They had them take the stand.

00:32:02.000 They did a great job.

00:32:03.000 Ivanka's tomorrow, obviously.

00:32:05.000 And we do plan on bringing them back on our case in chief, which will start next week, because I think they're fantastic.

00:32:12.000 They're honest.

00:32:12.000 And the real story is not pretty for them.

00:32:14.000 It's good for us.

00:32:16.000 So they were concise.

00:32:17.000 You know, the media I know has tailored it to what suits them for clickbait, but they did great.

00:32:23.000 They made clear that they were here running a business.

00:32:26.000 They all had their different roles.

00:32:28.000 They weren't in the accounting department.

00:32:30.000 They relied on accountants and lawyers just like anybody would.

00:32:34.000 And to find liability with no intent is going to be pretty difficult for the Attorney General.

00:32:39.000 Yeah, just talk about the timeline here, Alina.

00:32:41.000 I mean, there's obviously a press component.

00:32:43.000 So the judge makes up his decision and then he says, oh, I'm going to hear about the, you know, just the penalty.

00:32:50.000 How long is this thing going to last?

00:32:52.000 Trials slated to go to the middle to end of December.

00:32:56.000 It's crazy.

00:32:58.000 Is this normal?

00:33:00.000 Is this, I mean, like, is it normal to have a trial go on for 60 days?

00:33:05.000 Not when liability has already been determined.

00:33:08.000 That's what we argued.

00:33:09.000 What a waste of time.

00:33:10.000 Why are we relitigating something that you already said we were guilty of?

00:33:14.000 Let us wrap it up.

00:33:15.000 Do a damages trial.

00:33:17.000 I have another case where that's what they're doing.

00:33:19.000 I don't agree with it, but it's not a waste of money and time.

00:33:22.000 Let's get your verdict that we're not going to agree with and let's move on to the appellate division.

00:33:27.000 You know, this is the truth.

00:33:29.000 And I think the reality is he loves the press.

00:33:32.000 He loves the press in the room.

00:33:33.000 He invites them in to take pictures, which technically he's not supposed to do.

00:33:37.000 He is smiling for the camera as was widely smirking.

00:33:43.000 I mean, he's loving this as much as Miss James.

00:33:45.000 I don't know what she's going to do when Trump's done for her.

00:33:48.000 She's going to have to find some new right-wing conservative mission to take down. 1.00

00:33:53.000 You know, it's a disgrace and it's a waste of time and energy.

00:33:57.000 But yeah, we'll be there for another month.

00:33:59.000 Be there for another month.

00:34:00.000 Obviously, election interference.

00:34:01.000 Nobody seems to care.

00:34:03.000 Just give us a bigger picture here, Alina.

00:34:05.000 Not only is the president having to monitor that his business empire might be seized from him by the state of New York, but you have the Alvin Bragg, Fanny Willis, Jack Smith.

00:34:13.000 I know that you're not on some of those cases, but just talk more broadly.

00:34:17.000 I mean, this is multi-dimensional stuff here.

00:34:21.000 Yeah, well, you know, that's part of, you know, the last time I was on, I think I was just his attorney and now I'm his general counsel so that we can coordinate to some extent all of these multifaceted criminal and civil cases.

00:34:33.000 It's 100% election interference.

00:34:35.000 They want him out of Iowa.

00:34:37.000 They want him out of key swing states.

00:34:38.000 They want him off of the campaign trail so that they can tie him up in testimony.

00:34:42.000 In criminal trials, he has to be there every day.

00:34:46.000 You know, that is by design.

00:34:47.000 A lot of these cases are stale.

00:34:49.000 Georgia happened years ago.

00:34:50.000 Why is it being brought now?

00:34:52.000 January 6th, why is it being brought now?

00:34:56.000 All of these things are stale and they're being brought for one purpose.

00:34:59.000 And that's because they can't really beat him any authentic, honest way.

00:35:05.000 So they're, you know, I have to tie him up, have to try and keep him off the campaign trail and out of people's minds and make him look like a criminal and a fraudster.

00:35:14.000 And that's the desperation that we're at right now, Charlie.

00:35:16.000 That is why they're doing it.

00:35:18.000 There is no question.

00:35:19.000 I ask you this question every time, Alina, because I think it's important.

00:35:22.000 I get this question a lot.

00:35:23.000 And I have a short little window into it, but you have a bigger picture.

00:35:28.000 How does he handle this?

00:35:30.000 This is the number one question I get.

00:35:32.000 He's facing 700 years in prison.

00:35:34.000 His 50 years of work is trying to be vaporized by this thug, Letitia James. 0.93

00:35:40.000 How does he continue?

00:35:42.000 Honestly, and I say this not as his spokeswoman, let me be very clear.

00:35:47.000 He is incredibly resilient.

00:35:49.000 I don't know that I could be handling it the way he's handling it.

00:35:53.000 He fights.

00:35:54.000 I think if anything, it emboldens him.

00:35:55.000 It makes him more passionate about the message to save America and more impassioned about getting back in the White House in 2024 and cleaning up the mess from the DOJ to the corruption that we see to, you know, defunding police.

00:36:08.000 I mean, I could go on and on and on, our borders.

00:36:10.000 These things are things that make him angry.

00:36:13.000 And they know that they're, you know, he knows that they're coming after him because they don't want to be held accountable.

00:36:20.000 And if 2024 rolls around, I have a feeling that's what might happen.

00:36:25.000 It's unbelievable.

00:36:26.000 And Letitia James is trying to create a blueprint for all future presidential candidates they don't like. 1.00

00:36:32.000 They will find whatever they want.

00:36:34.000 They'll throw you in court. 1.00

00:36:36.000 Welcome to the third world. 0.99

00:36:37.000 Alina, great job. 0.99

00:36:38.000 Thank you so much.

00:36:39.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:41.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:44.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 08, 2023

The RNC Teams Up with NBC with Mollie Hemingway and Alina Habba

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