00:00:07.000Molly Hemingway about breaking news on how the federal government colluded to smear and censor conservative speech and why is the RNC partnering with NBC News?
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00:01:31.000And now this is yet another example that your hypothesis was right.
00:01:35.000Tell us about this bombshell story made possible thanks to Jim Jordan.
00:01:39.000Yeah, Rigged was looking at how elections had lost their integrity due to attacks on election laws, how our media are corrupt propagandists, but also how big tech censors news and information that's key to Americans knowing the issues so that they can vote properly.
00:01:58.000And so this is about that aspect of it.
00:02:00.000Jim Jordan came out with a report that various Americans across the political spectrum, but almost exclusively on the right, were censored in draconian ways by the censorship industrial complex.
00:02:14.000Partly that means the government was directing people what to do to set up censorship organizations, but also who to censor.
00:02:21.000These organizations went after people who questioned the security or integrity of the 2020 election and suppressed information, reporting, and debate about the seriousness of that issue.
00:02:35.000And they've got the goods and you and I were two of the top people who were censored in this.
00:02:41.000Yeah, so let's dive into the details here.
00:02:42.000So the Cyber Security and Infrastructure Security Agency, CISA, and the Global Engagement Center, GEC, part of the DHS, and the State Department, they colluded with Stanford.
00:02:53.000We are seeing this as a pattern, right, Molly, which is I will outsource the unconstitutional behavior that I can't quite do, but I'm still controlling it through winks and nods and strings.
00:03:03.000And so then Stanford had this election integrity project, a collection of alleged disinformation experts who used the disinformation label to then promote sweeping ideological controls online.
00:03:15.000And these tech companies were more than happy to receive these reports to then censor us.
00:03:22.000And I wouldn't say that they absolved themselves of any problems with the First Amendment by outsourcing this.
00:03:28.000In fact, that's what's in play with a variety of lawsuits that are working their way through the courts now.
00:03:35.000Is it something that you can, instead of saying, I personally will censor this person, saying to someone else, you need to censor this, or setting up organizations with the express purpose of censoring speech and violating Americans' First Amendment rights?
00:03:49.000Thus far, we have quite a few courts saying, in fact, that that is a violation of First Amendment rights by these government agencies.
00:03:57.000It doesn't absolve them of any sort of recourse.
00:03:59.000Is there going to be, you think, serious lawsuits then presented to try to sue the department, to sue the federal government for obvious constitutional violations?
00:04:09.000So, first off, I think we need to acknowledge that the information that came out this week is because of a lawsuit that was filed by the Attorney General of Missouri, the Attorney General of Louisiana.
00:04:20.000That Attorney General of Missouri is now Senator Eric Schmidt of Missouri.
00:04:27.000And I know, you know, from talking to people close to him, they knew there was a problem with the censorship industrial complex.
00:04:34.000When they started pursuing this, they had no idea how bad it was.
00:04:38.000Going through discovery, which is where each side, you know, kind of has to like reveal information.
00:04:43.000They were overwhelmed by how much censorship was being engaged in by, you know, not just a few federal agencies, but by a ton of federal agencies, how they had set up outside groups at universities and other NGOs, and then how they were colluding with big tech companies to suppress news and information.
00:05:01.000So already this shows the importance of having the courage, like Eric Schmidt had the courage, to file a lawsuit here because we got so much more news and information.
00:05:11.000But other people need to do it as well as we learn more about this behemoth that is the censorship industrial complex.
00:05:18.000So Molly, I've asked this question before, and just, you know, give us the honest truth.
00:05:22.000What are the material improvements that we've seen since your publication of the book Rigged in the States That Matter?
00:05:28.000And what are the things that you honestly sigh and you say, this is still a major vulnerability heading into next November?
00:05:36.000So I actually think the most important thing is relative to 2020, the voters on the right and their institutions on the right are doing far more or even just aware of the importance of election integrity.
00:05:50.000If you take yourself back to 2020 and there was this like weird election, everybody kind of knew it was weird, but nobody really knew what was going on.
00:05:58.000You have grassroots groups across the country, particularly in swing states who are very aware of how ballot harvesting schemes take place, what to do to combat illegal voting or voting, like lack of security with voting.
00:06:14.000And they're also being smarter about how to harvest ballots for or yeah, how to harvest ballots for their teams.
00:06:20.000And so even though there's a, I just say like the Republican Party and people on the right are completely outgunned, completely outfunded, and there's not the level of coordination that you see on the left.
00:06:33.000It is also true that even with everything that was done in 2020, that election came down to 43,000 votes across three states.
00:06:40.000People on the right don't need to be as good as the left to compete.
00:07:19.000And I always try to remind people of what happened in the South, you know, when through the way, the sort of tricky way that people were practicing elections, they basically disenfranchised the Democrat Party disenfranchised an entire race of people, black people.
00:07:35.000And rather than get depressed and say, like, oh, this whole thing is corrupt.
00:07:42.000They just fought to improve the processes and procedures and laws.
00:07:46.000And they kept voting and they kept fighting.
00:07:48.000And so that's, you know, and that's really the story throughout American history.
00:07:51.000We've never had perfect elections, but it does require you to know what's going on, to be engaged.
00:07:57.000And I would say the number one thing for that part too, a lot of people, you see them think of election day as like a single day or elections as a single day.
00:08:06.000It's really a season that can last two months or more.
00:08:09.000So being on top of what's happening, that's not something where you can show up on election day and monitor the polls.
00:08:14.000You really need to be monitoring everything for months leading up to the actual election day.
00:08:19.000Yeah, and I sure hope that people are starting to, you know, embrace this more, especially the early balloting, early voting.
00:08:27.000And, you know, I see the, I don't trust the Democrats at all, obviously.
00:08:32.000What would you say is our weakest spot of vulnerability that we have to shore up being an expert on this topic, Molly?
00:08:40.000I actually just think changing the mindset from elections are won by people who persuade the most voters to organically vote, get that out of your mind.
00:08:53.000Change it into this idea that whoever gets the most ballots into the box wins.
00:08:59.000And thinking how to play the game according to the rules that are currently written, and that is ballots in box.
00:09:07.000That means you have to reach out to people who may not know anything about the issues in play.
00:09:11.000They may not know anything about an election taking place and taking over, you know, like just emulating what Democrats have done there, taking over as much of the process as you have the resources to bear to compete in that environment.
00:09:25.000I don't, I'm not, I'm not saying I like this in any way.
00:09:28.000I really think it's bad for the country.
00:09:30.000But if you want to win elections, you have to play them according to the rules that are there.
00:09:33.000And that means either participating in or funding or otherwise supporting ballot harvesting operations.
00:09:40.000Molly, I want to ask you, you had a tweet on this.
00:09:42.000What the heck is the RNC thinking partnering with Lester Holt and NBC News?
00:09:49.000And Kristen Walker, Kristen Walker, who just lied in a debate and ran defense for Democrats, lying about what their position on abortion is.
00:09:56.000Like, I understand why Democrats don't want to admit that they vote regularly to support abortion through any, for any reason, at any point in a pregnancy, six, seven, eight months.
00:10:07.000I understand why that's something they want to hide, but a so-called journalist shouldn't be doing that.
00:10:12.000Kristen Walker lied about that in her debate with Trump.
00:10:15.000And how can she now be, again, she's not like a moderator, she's a debater.
00:10:18.000And so they're having, they chose to have her.
00:10:22.000Why would you ever think that our corrupt propaganda press would in any way change what they're doing when they are rewarded with debates?
00:10:30.000Also, you have this problem with Republican primary debates.
00:10:33.000Republican voters almost never get to hear the questions or answers according to the way they view things.
00:10:40.000During a Republican primary, the moderators, the so-called moderators, they'll ask questions like, how could you possibly care about a border?
00:10:47.000Or how could you possibly care about rule of law?
00:10:50.000You know, it's always these like weird left-wing questions about abortion or anything.
00:10:54.000And a lot of Republican voters, you know, they want to figure out who they want to vote for.
00:10:58.000They want to use these as an opportunity to look through issues.
00:11:01.000They're not going to get it from left-wing activists like Lester Holt and Kristen Walker.
00:11:06.000Honestly, Molly, you should be a moderator and you would ask the tough pro-life question in a way that a Republican voter cares about and like a primary voter cares about.
00:11:15.000Instead, they, and I said this previously, you might as well have Letitia James and Alvin Bragg as debate moderators.
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00:11:54.000The FBI has turned its eyes away from the real dangers in the world to target what they call domestic terrorists with a totalitarian agenda that's treating conservative Americans like criminals.
00:12:04.000They're targeting their political opponents using mass surveillance and censorship, indoctrinating our children and threatening families with military-style raids on our homes, threatening people like you and me who speak our minds and stand up for freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and our God-given American liberties.
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00:12:39.000Give me the devil's advocate or the best possible explanation because the RNC doesn't talk to me.
00:12:45.000Outside of Q Hewitt, who I really like, and I'm friends with him, even though we don't agree on everything, what is the RNC's argument for partnering with NBC News?
00:12:54.000It's not like there's a lacking of right-wing media, Molly.
00:12:59.000So I can defend them on this point, which is if you're trying to reach the largest possible audience, basically corporate media has a complete monopoly on the ability to reach large swaths of the American population.
00:13:13.000And so no one's going to have that type of TV broadcast reach.
00:13:17.000Now, having said that, of all the years that you might try to experiment with something else, this feels like it would be the year.
00:13:23.000You know, have Joe Rogan do a podcast about these people, you know, something that reaches like a completely different group of voters, but has a massive audience.
00:13:32.000But in their defense, like because the left controls all of our institutions, the academy, all of our media, that makes it very difficult to break out from it.
00:13:40.000And it's also the why I would like, or, you know, one of the things they could have done was maybe bring alongside these left-wing networks people who are much more conservative.
00:13:52.000Now, I do have reason to believe that these left-wing networks refuse to deal with journalists who, for instance, call them on their hoaxes and scams like the Russia collusion hoax or how they cover other things.
00:14:04.000But that's where a political party might play a little hardball.
00:14:07.000I hear you on that argument, Molly, and I want to take it as seriously because I thought about it.
00:14:11.000But isn't this a primary voter issue, right?
00:14:14.000I mean, don't you want to reach the most primary voters?
00:14:17.000I don't think the typical viewer of NBC News Nightly with Lester Holtz lying is going to be an Iowa caucus goer, right?
00:14:24.000I would imagine that it's more of a Matt Walsh or Candace Owens or Steve Bannon or Dan Bongino or Ben Shapiro, that sort of mold, more so than Kristen Welker's Meet the Press.
00:14:36.000Can you just remind our audience, Molly, of the hoaxes NBC News has been responsible for?
00:14:42.000It's not just the two, you know, left-wing activists that call themselves moderators.
00:14:47.000It's the institution of NBC News that has been responsible for some of the most irresponsible, has been responsible for some of the most reckless journalism in the last couple of years.
00:14:59.000Yeah, so I think one example that might be worth remembering is what they did to smear Justice Brett Kavanaugh as a serial gang rapist roaming the streets of suburban Maryland.
00:15:10.000They highlighted the, you know, there was like an accuser who had one of the most outlandish and indefensible and completely like just made up stories about him running a gang.
00:15:23.000I mean, it was like a federal judge for 12 years, you know, but she claimed without evidence that he'd run a gang that was like roaming the countryside preying on people.
00:15:33.000And they gave her a prime time interview.
00:15:35.000So that's just like an example of how far afield that network is.
00:15:40.000And, you know, they have Rachel Maddow on there.
00:15:43.000They've seen like these most left-wing people who have engaged in information operations against the American people that are really bad.
00:15:51.000Like, you know, basically refusing to accept the legitimacy of the 2016 election for years, suppressing all manner of news and information that is important for people to vote on.
00:16:02.000Like, that's one of the things about what we started with with this censorship regime.
00:16:06.000They don't just censor like typical campaign stuff or politician says this or politician says that.
00:16:13.000They censor every single story that matters to voters, whether it's trans issues, what's happening at school boards, what's happening on the border, what's happening in foreign policy.
00:16:24.000They censor and suppress conservative speech and debate, and they amplify and elevate left-wing debate.
00:16:31.000That is a level of meddling in our election that is unprecedented in history.
00:19:18.000And the president was calm, spoke well.
00:19:21.000And when he spoke about properties, the fake news would say he was rambling on.
00:19:25.000But what he was doing was giving people a view into 50-plus years from the biggest real estate tycoon in New York, explaining how flawed their case really is because they don't understand real estate.
00:19:36.000They don't understand basic principles of accounting.
00:19:57.000They're also not even mentioning that in real estate.
00:20:01.000The beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
00:20:03.000It's a very subjective medium where people are willing to overpay or sometimes underpay based on what they need.
00:20:10.000You know, I need a certain piece of land attached to another one.
00:20:14.000Somebody else might say, I don't want anything to do with it.
00:20:17.000Also, not even talking about the brand of Trump, which is very valuable and also very hard to put a number on.
00:20:23.000So what exactly is the state's case here?
00:20:26.000To put it mildly, a great example would be that the judge thinks that the tax assessed value of a property like Mar-a-Lago that goes from intercoastal to beach, that is, you know, 50 plus acres, a masterpiece.
00:20:42.000It's historic, that that's worth $18 million.
00:20:44.000And if you put that on your tax assessment, then that must be your admission of the value of your property.
00:20:50.000And then on the flip side, you have Letitia James holding press conferences that further show the idiocy of this case, where she says that in 2011, President Trump got a loan and the bank said that the value was 200-something million.
00:21:02.000Deutsche Bank, mind you, sophisticated banks that were doing their own due diligence.
00:21:07.000But President Trump put on a statement of financial condition that he believes it's worth $500 million.
00:21:11.000Well, if you look at comps in 2011, you can't get anything even close to 40 wall for 500 million.
00:21:28.000And what they've done is used a consumer fraud statute against a private sector business because we don't have the right to a jury.
00:21:35.000We have this judge who has for three years been ruling against us.
00:21:41.000And we're in a situation where she's really fighting a fight for Deutsche Bank, who's never brought a claim because they were always paid in full.
00:21:47.000And frankly, the Trumps never defaulted.
00:22:24.000He tells us to move things along repeatedly.
00:22:26.000And he was cutting off the former president sitting on the witness stand, cooperating and being a civil, decent defendant who was subpoenaed to come here and get off the campaign trail.
00:22:37.000So I, as his attorney, stood up and said, Your honor, I apologize, but you have got to stop cutting him off every time he's explaining why values are what they are or why loan documents aren't as clear-cut as they may think they are.
00:22:50.000You are cutting him off, and he has a right to testify as a defendant, as is every American.
00:22:54.000And his response was, I'm not here to hear what he has to say.
00:23:00.000And quite honestly, Charlie, I just looked at the computer and made sure that that was on the record and sat down.
00:23:30.000This is, again, I'm by no means a legal expert, but for some people in our audience, they're wondering, they're like, well, because I mean, you have to understand a lot, people are very busy.
00:23:40.000You know, they're working two jobs, trying to get their kids to school.
00:23:44.000And, you know, they hear about Jack Smith and Fannie Willis and Alvin Bragg.
00:23:48.000This one has just not come out of nowhere because you've been warning about this for months.
00:24:38.000We really are in a banana republic in there.
00:24:40.000So he already said we're guilty of fraud.
00:24:43.000He is now putting on a show wasting taxpayer dollars, wasting President Trump's money, frankly, because all he wants to do now is get bad evidence out and suppress anybody that's going to put in good evidence.
00:25:52.000So the prosecutor, though, this should be dismissed for bias immediately.
00:25:57.000And I hope everyone understands this, that Donald Trump was one of the major reasons why New York went through a revitalization.
00:26:04.000Donald Trump poured billions of dollars into New York through jobs and wages and tax revenue and new wealth created.
00:26:12.000Not just Trump Tower, not just the Woman Rink, not just the Plaza Hotel, not just the revitalization of the convention center, not just the Commodore Hotel.
00:26:21.000It's all up and down New York in charity and in philanthropy and in job creation.
00:26:27.000And the very same city that he revitalized, that he made the gem, the center of the planet, is now turning their power against him.
00:26:36.000It is one, it is the buried lead of this entire thing.
00:26:39.000It's not like Donald Trump is a visitor to New York and then he like passively had some business, right?
00:26:44.000He built modern New York alongside maybe a couple dozen other people.
00:26:48.000It was Donald Trump's vision, his grit.
00:26:51.000New York City was a third world hellhole in the late 70s and early 80s.
00:27:54.000There's ethics, there's ethics boards, there are ways that we can hold, and New York citizens can hold her feet to the fire and hold her accountable for what she's doing, not just me.
00:28:07.000And then there is, of course, the appellate division, which we have exercised fully along this entire path.
00:28:14.000The problem that we have is we have a judge who is not even recognizing rulings from the appellate division in regards to statute limitations.
00:28:48.000That was a video that she posted before she was attorney general, before she knew anything about the Trump organization.
00:28:54.000She predetermined that they had committed fraud, and she was basically fitting a round peg in a square, you know, a square peg in a round hole.
00:29:03.000And that's what Letitia James has done and continues to do.
00:29:06.000The level of tyranny that we are seeing is completely unprecedented.
00:29:11.000There's some other legal analysis I want to just emphasize.
00:29:14.000We know that the judge has made up his mind.
00:29:16.000And so they're speaking to a, I mean, in some ways, I know you're kind of speaking to a different audience, the appellate audience.
00:29:23.000And I mean, Alina, you love the city of New York.
00:29:26.000These people have no concern or seeming fiduciary duty over the well-being of New York.
00:29:33.000Letitia James, this judge, they seem to just want to burn it all down based on revenge and spite the.
00:29:43.000I mean, Alina, let's just play this out.
00:29:44.000What happens to the thousands of employees of the Trump organization if Letitia James gets her way?
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00:34:03.000Just give us a bigger picture here, Alina.
00:34:05.000Not only is the president having to monitor that his business empire might be seized from him by the state of New York, but you have the Alvin Bragg, Fanny Willis, Jack Smith.
00:34:13.000I know that you're not on some of those cases, but just talk more broadly.
00:34:17.000I mean, this is multi-dimensional stuff here.
00:34:21.000Yeah, well, you know, that's part of, you know, the last time I was on, I think I was just his attorney and now I'm his general counsel so that we can coordinate to some extent all of these multifaceted criminal and civil cases.
00:34:52.000January 6th, why is it being brought now?
00:34:56.000All of these things are stale and they're being brought for one purpose.
00:34:59.000And that's because they can't really beat him any authentic, honest way.
00:35:05.000So they're, you know, I have to tie him up, have to try and keep him off the campaign trail and out of people's minds and make him look like a criminal and a fraudster.
00:35:14.000And that's the desperation that we're at right now, Charlie.
00:35:54.000I think if anything, it emboldens him.
00:35:55.000It makes him more passionate about the message to save America and more impassioned about getting back in the White House in 2024 and cleaning up the mess from the DOJ to the corruption that we see to, you know, defunding police.
00:36:08.000I mean, I could go on and on and on, our borders.
00:36:10.000These things are things that make him angry.
00:36:13.000And they know that they're, you know, he knows that they're coming after him because they don't want to be held accountable.
00:36:20.000And if 2024 rolls around, I have a feeling that's what might happen.