The Charlie Kirk Show - The Secret History of Communist Revolutions ft. Jack Posobiec and Joshua Lisec

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00:01:23.000 Joining us now, Jack and Joshua Lisek, is that right?

00:01:26.000 And you know Jack Posobiec, author of On Humans!

00:01:29.000 The Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Crush Them.

00:01:33.000 Jack, I'll go to you first.

00:01:34.000 Tell us about the book.

00:01:35.000 Well, Charlie... Talk right into the mic.

00:01:37.000 As you know, we, on Human Events Daily, we were doing this over the Christmas break, we kind of take some time where we step back, we do a bunch of deep dive, there's not a lot of news going on, so we were doing deep dives into communism, my favorite subject.

00:01:49.000 And we wanted to talk about the history of communism because, look, there's so many books out there, there's so many programs about the philosophy, the ideology of communism, why communism doesn't work, etc, etc.

00:01:59.000 I didn't want to do a book like that.

00:02:00.000 I didn't want to talk about stuff like that.

00:02:02.000 I was interested in the history.

00:02:03.000 What happened in China?

00:02:04.000 What happened in Russia?

00:02:05.000 What happened in Spain?

00:02:05.000 What happened in France?

00:02:06.000 What happened in all these places around the world?

00:02:08.000 What are the stories?

00:02:09.000 Who are the people?

00:02:10.000 And we actually, Blake did a whole series of them with us when he did Chronicles of the Revolution.

00:02:14.000 He's around here somewhere.

00:02:14.000 And of course, he's always flittering around somewhere.

00:02:18.000 And what ended up happening, sort of happy accident, the same way they say that most great discoveries happen by accident, we actually discovered a system.

00:02:27.000 And a system by in which these groups of people, sometimes they call themselves communists, sometimes it's Jacobin, sometimes it's the Khmer Rouge, sometimes it's the CCP, sometimes the Bolsheviks, the Mensheviks, we all know the list.

00:02:39.000 But it's always the same system.

00:02:41.000 And so working with Joshua, we were able to actually itemize this system and figure out how it's been run in country after country, time and again, time after time, place after place, people after people.

00:02:53.000 But it's always the same way.

00:02:54.000 They destabilize, infiltrate, subvert, and take over countries.

00:02:58.000 But then, even more interestingly, because as this is a Steve Bannon book, he wrote the foreword to it, he said we need actions.

00:03:05.000 And the action is, what do we do about it?

00:03:07.000 And so the final chapter, so there's two final chapters actually.

00:03:10.000 Second to last chapter, January 6th, how we explained that was sort of an inverse Bastille revolution.

00:03:17.000 And then the final chapter, what is the system to combat, counter, and subvert it?

00:03:23.000 So, Joshua, your thoughts on the book.

00:03:24.000 Tell us more.

00:03:26.000 Yeah, so working with Jack, we realized that the challenge of historical nonfiction is relevance, urgency.

00:03:32.000 And most documentaries and books about communism, the left, are really focused on the past.

00:03:37.000 And communism is over post-USSR.

00:03:41.000 We're in the peaceful era.

00:03:42.000 There's no communism.

00:03:43.000 And if you ask an average person on the street about communism, they don't know a whole lot.

00:03:46.000 And it's like, well, that was like the Soviets. 0.85

00:03:48.000 Something about Stalin?

00:03:51.000 There was that one video game about Angola?

00:03:53.000 Maybe?

00:03:54.000 And that's about the end of it.

00:03:55.000 And there's no sense of urgency, immediacy.

00:03:58.000 And what we do in the book is that our hypothesis is that we're currently undergoing an irregular communist revolution in the United States that's been slow-walked through all institutions since the 1950s, 1960s.

00:04:10.000 And we look at characters who have been despised by By not just left-wing educators and entertainment, but even the center and even the right, like Joseph McCarthy, who was right about everything with his lists, and it wasn't revealed until the 90s that he was right.

00:04:24.000 And same with Francisco Franco, who was successful at defeating the communists, and that's why he is so reviled.

00:04:31.000 When it comes to Joseph McCarthy, tell the audience here a little bit about the Verona intercepts because there's so many people who think McCarthy is this boogeyman, he's this crazy figure, he was just going after people he didn't like, but then the Verona intercepts come out after the fall of the Soviet Union.

00:04:48.000 What did they find?

00:04:50.000 They found that Senator McCarthy had compiled these lists, and they were secret lists, and it was suspected Soviet spies, Soviet sympathizers who were active in the U.S.

00:04:59.000 Army, also possibly in Hollywood, and the accusation against Senator McCarthy was that, and there was a hearing in which a fellow senator talked him down, and he was immediately censured afterward, became an alcoholic, and then died a couple of years later.

00:05:15.000 The accusation against him was, Senator, have you no decency?

00:05:20.000 And that word decency has been used against other right-wing figures who have been effective.

00:05:26.000 Oh, there's no decency.

00:05:27.000 And so when the left takes power, oh, it's a return to decency.

00:05:29.000 It's a sort of word thinking that the left tends to use to try to persuade and try to manipulate the masses.

00:05:36.000 Just on that point, Jill Biden has that famous tweet, decency is on the ballot.

00:05:41.000 So it's the exact same words that we see again and again.

00:05:43.000 They're used to sort of trick the right into this sort of false sense of putting principle over power. 0.71

00:05:51.000 And so one of the things that we also do in the book, and I know you talk about this a lot as well, is, and certainly we talk about it on the show, is if you have all principle and no power, you're completely insane.

00:06:03.000 Now if you have all power and no principle, you're a tyrant.

00:06:07.000 But if you have principles without power, it's meaningless.

00:06:10.000 It's completely meaningless.

00:06:11.000 You must wield power.

00:06:13.000 You must seize power.

00:06:15.000 The left understands this.

00:06:17.000 The left understands that in order to enact their agenda, in order to enact what they want, they need to use power first.

00:06:25.000 This is what we explain and we talk about a Issuing a software update to the movement because there's so many... And Charlie, I know you see this every single day.

00:06:33.000 There's so many people who say, whoa, whoa, whoa, I don't want to jump the process.

00:06:37.000 I don't want to get over my skis.

00:06:38.000 I don't want to go too far.

00:06:40.000 We can't issue those subpoenas.

00:06:41.000 We can't change that law that's on the books in Nebraska.

00:06:44.000 We can't do the things that they do to us.

00:06:47.000 Meanwhile, as we watch, Steve Bannon is being led off to the gulags who wrote the foreword to the book.

00:06:52.000 I think we have to do an afterword now, you know, talking about that.

00:06:56.000 Basically, I'll get his cellmate to write it.

00:06:58.000 And then Peter Navarro was there.

00:06:59.000 Donald Trump is being marched up to the gulags as well.

00:07:02.000 So when exactly is it that we have to stop being nice because they're already locking

00:07:08.000 us up?

00:07:09.000 They're throwing away the key.

00:07:10.000 And we're still sitting back saying, whoa, guys, this word, this title on humans might

00:07:14.000 be a little mean, might be a little nasty.

00:07:17.000 So let's talk about the Russian Revolution.

00:07:22.000 What led to the Russian Revolution that is similar to what we're living through right now?

00:07:27.000 There's aspects of it that are similar and aspects that are dissimilar.

00:07:31.000 Prior to the Russian Revolution, there was actually a period of real oppression.

00:07:36.000 There was a form of slavery in Russia, the serf system, where the peasantry could not own land functionally and they were effectively slaves.

00:07:43.000 And then they became somewhat like sharecroppers, similar to the American South, in the same period of the 1860s and afterwards.

00:07:51.000 In the United States, we haven't had any actual systemic oppression like that for a long, long time.

00:07:57.000 That's where it's dissimilar.

00:07:58.000 Where it's similar is Lenin, Vladimir Lenin, the leader of the Bolshevik movement, he was able to build a coalition of the fringes.

00:08:06.000 People who were rejects from society, ex-convicts, unemployed people, and he was able to promise them, going back to word thinking, his slogan was peace, land, bread.

00:08:19.000 And everyone who was in the underclass resonated with that, because they'd only known war of World War I, they'd known issues with famines because of bumbling planning from the czarist regime, and they've also known a time of land issue.

00:08:34.000 And so he was able to promise people what they wanted, and then he built himself a massive coalition and a mob, and he then unleashed them in the October Revolution of 1917 upon the... How many people were involved in that revolution?

00:08:48.000 Well, wasn't there a failed one previously, about a decade prior?

00:08:53.000 Yeah.

00:08:55.000 So, in 1909, you're talking about when he was in prison the first time.

00:08:58.000 And he was sent to Germany.

00:08:58.000 Correct.

00:08:59.000 Prisoned and exiled.

00:09:01.000 So, Lenin gets sent to... So, there's a failed uprising in 1909.

00:09:04.000 In Austria, Germany or something, right?

00:09:06.000 Or Switzerland or something, yeah.

00:09:07.000 Austria, Bavaria have a few.

00:09:09.000 So, there's all these communist uprisings going on throughout Europe.

00:09:12.000 That culminate in the Russian Revolution of 1917.

00:09:15.000 But because of their failures, so he gets sent out, as you say, to Vienna.

00:09:20.000 He then ends up in Germany.

00:09:21.000 It's actually kind of interesting because at this point in time, you've got Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, even Freud, and they're all living together in Vienna, right?

00:09:31.000 And like within, like, they all went to the same coffee shop, basically, you know, within the same neighborhood in Vienna.

00:09:36.000 It's like if you could just take one Moab and just let it go.

00:09:40.000 Yeah, Freud included.

00:09:41.000 And not to mention his nephew, Edward Bernays, who is the inventor of modern propaganda and modern marketing.

00:09:51.000 And so when we look at this situation, they've all been kicked out, they've all been exiled, and Trotsky, by the way, ends up all the way back in Canada.

00:10:00.000 So he's out in North America, that's how far they threw him out.

00:10:03.000 Later, as we know, ends up in Mexico as well.

00:10:05.000 Dies in Mexico, assassinated with an ice pick by Stalin. 0.79

00:10:05.000 Dies in Mexico City. 0.79

00:10:08.000 You see, there's always this interesting thing, Charlie, that once the communists take over, the first thing they start killing are the other communists that don't exactly support their way.

00:10:17.000 But how many people were involved in the 17th Revolution?

00:10:20.000 I mean, you've only got a couple of thousand people.

00:10:22.000 And how big was the country?

00:10:24.000 How big was the country?

00:10:25.000 Millions.

00:10:25.000 Twenty-five, fifty million.

00:10:27.000 I mean, this is Russia we're talking about.

00:10:28.000 The Russian Empire, Charlie.

00:10:29.000 I mean, you've got so many people.

00:10:30.000 So how are a couple thousand people able to take over?

00:10:32.000 That's a great question.

00:10:33.000 I see where you're getting at.

00:10:34.000 And I'll give my answer, and then I'll give it to Joshua.

00:10:37.000 Because people didn't respond.

00:10:39.000 Because people thought that it would blow over people.

00:10:42.000 They would say, oh, this is going too far, and they're being hypocrites, and the people will see it, and the people will eventually throw this off.

00:10:52.000 There was this point, Charlie, where the entire Bolshevik party was in like one building, and you had members of the White Army, which we get into. 0.76

00:11:01.000 Wouldn't even fire on the building.

00:11:02.000 They were already taking over, they were already slaughtering people, and they say, oh no, we don't want to, you know, we don't want to do something that's against our principles, so we're not going to do that.

00:11:10.000 One building, one building could have saved all of Russia, all of the people, no gulags, no Solzhenitsyn, none of it, no Red Terror, etc.

00:11:19.000 So I want to focus on Russia because it's the one I know best, but was there a fair amount of pride or hubris by the czars as this revolution was brewing?

00:11:30.000 Did they take it seriously?

00:11:32.000 Equal parts pride and fear.

00:11:35.000 First it was pride, and then there was the fear.

00:11:37.000 There's no way that these rabble-rousers are going to provide an actual threat. 1.00

00:11:40.000 And then they begin killing, and there's blood in the streets.

00:11:43.000 So walk me through the mechanisms of takeover.

00:11:47.000 What did the revolutionaries do?

00:11:49.000 They just started indiscriminate killing on the streets?

00:11:51.000 Or did they pick out wealthy people, landowners?

00:11:54.000 What did Lenin's shock troops do?

00:11:56.000 So what's interesting is that in the Russian Revolution, and in other revolutions, there is a pattern.

00:12:02.000 Prior to the revolution, there is operational preparation of the environment.

00:12:06.000 It's a military term to make it so that it's likely that the revolutionaries, when they attack, will be successful.

00:12:13.000 That's right.

00:12:13.000 And the first stage of OPE, operational preparation of the environment, is separation.

00:12:18.000 And this is where you find who believe themselves to be oppressed, and who are the oppressors.

00:12:23.000 So it starts off with the oppressed.

00:12:25.000 That's Lenin and the coalition of the fringes building. 0.73

00:12:27.000 And the bourgeoisie.

00:12:28.000 That's right.

00:12:29.000 And those are the landowners, those are the factory owners.

00:12:33.000 And then he would go from Soviet to Soviet.

00:12:35.000 And Soviet was kind of like their version of like a casual union member, the councils of workers and factories, the unemployed, the underemployed.

00:12:44.000 Those are the Soviets that he went around to, and rallying them up, and uniting them.

00:12:48.000 And again, it's not millions of people.

00:12:50.000 It's not even the vast majority of the country, or even a significant minority.

00:12:54.000 But he does the separation stage.

00:12:55.000 And then comes the messaging, where he gets everyone singing the same song, hearing the same message, repetition, repetition, repetition.

00:13:02.000 It's a form of almost mass formation hypnosis, is the term that we like to use, where everyone just begins to believe, peace, land, bread, peace, land, bread.

00:13:10.000 We have moral authority.

00:13:11.000 We're on the right side of history.

00:13:13.000 We hear that term a lot.

00:13:15.000 And then they begin to infiltrate.

00:13:16.000 This is where they look at key institutions, key choke points, that when they finally begin the revolution, stage one... So that was September of 17, yeah?

00:13:25.000 Yeah.

00:13:25.000 All of, prior to those, and a number of years going back after.

00:13:28.000 But was that, that's when it, that's when it sort of hit the... It really kicks off there.

00:13:32.000 And so the three groups that I think you're looking for, so obviously the aristocracy, and not just, not just the Romanovs, but also the lower, the lower houses, etc.

00:13:40.000 They get targeted, of course.

00:13:43.000 Number two, the religious orders.

00:13:45.000 Priests, nuns, and that's obviously, for anyone who knows anything about communism, that's one of the very first groups that gets completely liquidated.

00:13:53.000 Throughout Russia, China, Spain, France, even in the French Revolution, the religious orders all have to go because they cannot allow or permit any ideology other than those.

00:14:03.000 And third, and this is possibly most interesting and less well known, it's what they call the Kulaks.

00:14:09.000 And so the Kulaks, small landowners, I actually like to explain this to people by saying, this is like your small business owner today.

00:14:15.000 This is somebody who has got a small business, a local business, maybe you've got e-commerce, dropshipping, something like that, or just someone who maybe has a couple of houses and they do Airbnb, or they've got a house down the shore, a vacation home that they rent out.

00:14:28.000 So when you look at what they're doing to landowners and landlords today in the United States, particularly New York City, I mean, this is a very deep-seated testament of communism by going after the landowners.

00:14:41.000 And so those people are the ones who are actually targeted, in some cases, even more than the people who... So if you're an aristocrat who sides with the revolution, and of course we have plenty of those, those people kind of, they go for them last.

00:14:55.000 They do eventually come for them, but they come last.

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00:15:57.000 So, at what point did the government then switch over?

00:16:01.000 What did that look like?

00:16:02.000 They just, they entered the physical apparatus of the Royal House to just blood start to get spilled?

00:16:08.000 Mass marches in the streets.

00:16:09.000 A couple thousand then all multiplied into tens of thousands.

00:16:11.000 And then, we'll use, they use strikes.

00:16:14.000 So they use general strikes and one of the biggest general strikes actually that they use to start the Russian Revolution is actually International Women's Day.

00:16:23.000 So International Women's Day was actually... Did it exist at the time?

00:16:26.000 They created it.

00:16:27.000 Was created by the communists to get all the women out of the workforce and say we're doing this for the women and then the men of course need to come to support their women. 0.64

00:16:36.000 And so because nobody showed up to work, this was how they threw sawdust in the gears of what they saw as the Russian Empire, they saw as the, you know, the oppressor class.

00:16:45.000 So they run out into the streets, then basically perform what we saw throughout 2020 here.

00:16:50.000 Nobody's working, nothing's going on.

00:16:52.000 They're calling for the head of the czar.

00:16:55.000 And keep in mind, a czar had been executed two czars before.

00:16:59.000 Not executed, assassinated two years before.

00:17:01.000 Two years?

00:17:02.000 Two czars before. 0.66

00:17:02.000 Or two czars before? 0.66

00:17:03.000 By a grenade by one of these anarchists.

00:17:06.000 So they've already known that it's kind of on its last legs.

00:17:09.000 So at that point, that's when the Tsar decides, alright, the way to end it all, we've got people in the streets, everybody's freaking out, I'm going to abdicate.

00:17:17.000 And so he abdicates, Tsar Nicholas II, with his family, says, if I lay down my crown, if I leave with my family, then all of Russia will be safe, and I will give in, and I will surrender to the mob.

00:17:30.000 Doesn't call up the military doesn't call up. You know the Imperial Royal Guard of Russia the Romanovs

00:17:36.000 No, no, no, no doesn't do any of this says I'm gonna give up the crown and hopefully the mob will accept that and

00:17:41.000 then They'll all go away. What do you think happened next

00:17:43.000 Charlie? I bet I could guess well what ends up happening next?

00:17:47.000 So there's a provisional government that goes in and this is why this is where you have the difference between the

00:17:51.000 February and the October revolutions that I know you're just mentioning

00:17:55.000 So there's this provisional government that's set up for like six months, and they say, they're talking about, oh, we're going to be a republic, and we're going to be a democracy, and keep in mind that World War I is still raging at this point.

00:18:07.000 And we didn't even talk about the fact that it was Germany that brought Lenin and Trotsky back to Russia, with a little bit of help from some people even in North America, as I know you know.

00:18:17.000 Yeah, the American government shepherded Trotsky all over the place.

00:18:20.000 He was in Canada for quite a while, too.

00:18:22.000 He was in Canada, and then he ends up in Switzerland.

00:18:24.000 He was in Prince Edward Island or something.

00:18:25.000 Prince Edward Island, off of Newfoundland, and then gets sent back.

00:18:29.000 during World War I. Super sus. And then because they know he's subversive. The OSS, I don't

00:18:35.000 know if they existed back then. No, the OSS wasn't, that was World War II. And then so

00:18:38.000 the question is, if Russia is our ally, why is it that we were helping? Because it was 0.90

00:18:43.000 the Germans who wanted to knock Russia out because Russia wasn't doing very well against

00:18:48.000 Germany on the Eastern Front, but at the same time, you've still got these massive waves

00:18:53.000 So Lenin becomes the new leader.

00:18:56.000 So Lenin decides the provisional government isn't meeting his needs, and so Lenin just brings in the Bolsheviks. 0.64

00:18:56.000 Right. 0.64

00:19:02.000 The Bolsheviks are only one faction in that provisional government.

00:19:04.000 So who are the Mensheviks?

00:19:05.000 the Mensheviks were just another one. That's kind of like your DSA, if you will. 0.94

00:19:10.000 The Democrats.

00:19:11.000 Yeah, the Democrats.

00:19:12.000 But they fought, didn't they?

00:19:13.000 So they, well, they ended up working together at first. So you have the social reformers,

00:19:17.000 you have the Democrat socialists, the social progressives, the Mensheviks and the Bolsheviks.

00:19:23.000 Menshevik Bolshevik means small, Bolshevik means big, by the way, so 0.77

00:19:26.000 it's like the Menshevik, Bolshevik is like the large, meaning the 0.58

00:19:29.000 majority. Of course, as we just said, it wasn't actually the majority.

00:19:32.000 It never did represent the majority, but they claimed to.

00:19:35.000 We represent the people. We are the 99%.

00:19:38.000 You've heard these phrases over and over. It goes way back to the beginning.

00:19:41.000 And so the Bolsheviks essentially established with that November Revolution, this is... 0.82

00:19:46.000 This is the big one, which, and you know, it's funny because the November Revolution

00:19:49.000 actually takes place in October because this is how far behind Russia was.

00:19:54.000 They were still on the Julian calendar.

00:19:56.000 And so that's when they get it rise up and start slaughtering all the Mensheviks, everybody 1.00

00:20:01.000 else.

00:20:02.000 And then the blood really started to spill.

00:20:04.000 And then Lenin becomes like pseudo dictator.

00:20:07.000 Is that right?

00:20:08.000 100%.

00:20:09.000 So Lenin stays in power for what, six or seven years.

00:20:13.000 He's there until he dies.

00:20:14.000 Now, there's this famous picture in St.

00:20:16.000 Petersburg where Stalin, Trotsky, and Lenin are all in that picture.

00:20:20.000 Do you know what I'm talking about?

00:20:21.000 Have you seen that picture?

00:20:22.000 Who is Stalin in all of this?

00:20:24.000 So Stalin is a functionary for Lenin.

00:20:28.000 Stalin is one of the... He was a backseat driver though, wasn't he? 0.87

00:20:31.000 He was like a backseat driver. 0.99

00:20:32.000 He was a thug. 1.00

00:20:33.000 He was a hired thug. 0.80

00:20:34.000 And so what's interesting is that we find throughout the book that most of the guys who are involved in these communist revolutions don't actually have a proletarian background at all.

00:20:42.000 But Stalin is actually kind of a He kind of doesn't meet the grain in that because he does have a very impoverished background, but he has the background of a criminal.

00:20:52.000 He comes up in Georgia.

00:20:54.000 He went to seminary school in Georgia.

00:20:56.000 He goes to seminary, but then leaves, gets involved in petty crime, and then sort of falls in with, you know, criminals and communists were kind of the same thing as he was coming up.

00:21:07.000 Because it was all about, again, through that coalition of the fringes.

00:21:10.000 So he was in and out of jail.

00:21:11.000 He eventually gets recruited by a communist cell.

00:21:13.000 And because he's one of the most brutal, violent enforcers of communism, basically, if they needed someone to do their dirty work, you called up Joe.

00:21:23.000 And he was the one who came up all the way to the top.

00:21:26.000 But they never... Lenin and Trotsky never viewed him as somebody who could be a successor to them.

00:21:31.000 They wanted him to just be sort of like the brute thug.

00:21:34.000 So let's just go back a second.

00:21:36.000 I'm going to connect it till today.

00:21:37.000 So in the events that led to that well-described, thank you, Russian Revolution event, the czars were oppressing the people by not allowing land ownership.

00:21:49.000 So our current government is not allowing land ownership.

00:21:52.000 Do you think a revolution is coming?

00:21:56.000 We hypothesize that a communist revolution has been slow walked through all of our institutions since the 1950s, 1960s, with that operational preparation of the environment.

00:22:07.000 The messaging, the key institutions and choke points being possessed by far leftists, people who despise and hate everything about Western civilization.

00:22:17.000 The United States of America, we've had 1776 replaced by 1619.

00:22:22.000 And there's a new civic religion now that everyone has to pledge allegiance to, or your career is threatened.

00:22:29.000 And so we further suggest that there are a series of micro-revolutions, micro-communist revolutions, you might call them, that are being launched at particular figures whose platform, whose influence, and whose even hard power is a threat.

00:22:46.000 to the modern communist regime, or as we like to call them, the unhumans,

00:22:52.000 because what they do is they unhuman their victims.

00:22:54.000 They deprive them of life, liberty, property, always in reverse order.

00:22:58.000 First they take their stuff, then they take their civic rights,

00:23:01.000 and then they take their lives.

00:23:02.000 And if they can't murder them, they'll imprison them, they can't imprison them,

00:23:06.000 then they will isolate them so that they're effectively off the table.

00:23:09.000 Let me, to directly answer your question, economic instability always leads

00:23:14.000 to political instability.

00:23:15.000 That's exactly right.

00:23:17.000 And we're living through the economic war.

00:23:18.000 And we saw this at the end of the Russian Empire.

00:23:21.000 We saw it at the end of pretty much every empire throughout history.

00:23:25.000 We even saw it at the end of the Roman Republic.

00:23:27.000 This is how the Roman Republic fell.

00:23:29.000 Well, no, you get really bad stuff when that happens.

00:23:31.000 So let me challenge the question a little bit.

00:23:33.000 So you guys say there's been a 70 year communist takeover of our institutions.

00:23:39.000 It feels more like an oligarchy takeover than actual communist takeover.

00:23:44.000 Are these Marxists or are these people that want to be part of a ruling class?

00:23:49.000 Well, so... And they can be one and the same, but I break Marxists into two buckets.

00:23:56.000 Those that are like legitimate believers, which are very, very hard to find, right?

00:24:01.000 That really believe in egalitarianism.

00:24:05.000 The rank and file can be that way.

00:24:07.000 Or there is the ruling class communists that use it as a means to the end to control us.

00:24:11.000 We have to show them the opening quote of the book.

00:24:13.000 I'll have to look at it.

00:24:16.000 There's a couple openings, but my favorite one is, it's after the foreword, the opening of the introduction right here.

00:24:22.000 Petty resentment and cruelty. 0.65

00:24:24.000 Communism is when ugly, deformed freaks make it illegal to be normal, then rob and or kill all successful people out of petty resentment and cruelty. 0.99

00:24:34.000 The ideology is all just window dressing. 0.99

00:24:36.000 That's what I'm saying?

00:24:37.000 Mystery Grove.

00:24:38.000 So my question is that, exactly right.

00:24:40.000 The way to sum it up is don't listen to what they say, look at what they do.

00:24:43.000 Yeah, but what they do is not actually, some of it is communist, but it really is not.

00:24:48.000 Correct.

00:24:49.000 It's far more, you could say fascist, I hate that term, but it's far more about like permanent oligarchic control

00:24:55.000 of a civilization.

00:24:57.000 Well, Charlie, it's revenge.

00:24:59.000 It's the politics of revenge.

00:25:00.000 All leftist politics are rooted in revenge.

00:25:02.000 Sorry to interrupt, but if it was communists, then they'd break up Google tomorrow.

00:25:06.000 Right.

00:25:06.000 But instead, Google's more powerful than ever before.

00:25:08.000 But this is our whole thesis.

00:25:09.000 This is our whole thesis, that even the way we talk about communism, if you're talking about equality and justice, you're talking within their frame.

00:25:16.000 A hundred percent.

00:25:17.000 We're arguing that they don't actually believe the communists are not actually communists.

00:25:21.000 What are they?

00:25:22.000 Oh, they're unhuman?

00:25:23.000 They're unhumans.

00:25:24.000 Okay, but what else are they?

00:25:25.000 Well, it's envy.

00:25:26.000 It's envy, it's resentment, it's greed, it's revenge, it's rage. 1.00

00:25:29.000 Anything I can do to destroy you, to tear you down, to kill you, to crush you, it's nihilism. 1.00

00:25:35.000 That's all it is. 1.00

00:25:36.000 So I totally agree with that.

00:25:38.000 I have a book that's also coming out this week, Right-Wing Revolution, which it actually could be like the prequel or sequel, which I totally agree because I think a revolution is coming and I want it to be a right-wing one, not a left-wing revolution.

00:25:50.000 And when I mean revolution, I think all the institutions are about to be Well, so we talk about that in this as well.

00:25:56.000 It's coming.

00:25:57.000 You can feel it in the air.

00:25:58.000 There's something that's about to bounce.

00:26:00.000 I guess what I would say, though, the way I would frame it is that's a counter-revolution.

00:26:06.000 We think it's a correction.

00:26:08.000 Correct.

00:26:10.000 It's a re-centering.

00:26:11.000 But it does have revolutionary spirit.

00:26:13.000 Precisely.

00:26:14.000 And so what we see in each of these case studies, and that's what it is, it's case studies, we're not doing the, you know, if you want an entry point, you're into the history, you want to learn something, but you don't want to read one of those like 7,000 page tomes, get this, it's a great read, it breaks it down into a system.

00:26:31.000 In each of these times, we do find counter-revolutionaries, whether in Russia, with Pyotr Wrangel, in Spain with General Franco, who was ultimately successful against the Communists, which is why they hate him and hate his guts to this day so much that they dug him up and reburied him somewhere else that he didn't want to be.

00:26:51.000 In China, you see it with Chiang Kai-shek, who was completely sold out by Truman, FDR, and George Marshall, which we totally get into in the book and actually tell the truth about Yalta.

00:27:01.000 Okay, let's talk about Franco.

00:27:02.000 Who was Franco, and why is he hated so much?

00:27:03.000 and then in France of course with Napoleon. So the, okay let's talk about

00:27:10.000 Franco. Who was Franco and why is he hated so much? Joshua first. Francisco

00:27:16.000 Franco was a general in the Spanish Army prior to and during the Spanish Civil

00:27:22.000 War of the early mid late 1930s that that period.

00:27:25.000 And he had previously been responsible for putting down worker strikes that were rolled out by anarcho-communists, the idea being, we can create, we can spark a revolution, some of what happened in Russia. And of

00:27:39.000 course Soviets had been quietly agitating inside of Spain.

00:27:43.000 Some of the communist leaders of Spain had been hiding in Paris for a little while, getting education, materials,

00:27:50.000 training, resources, funding from the Soviet Union, from the common term. What year was this?

00:27:56.000 This is late 20s, early 30s, this whole period.

00:27:58.000 So it's the, this is the interwar period.

00:28:03.000 It's sort of like the prelude to World War II.

00:28:06.000 And so what happens is following the presidential election 1933-34, oh, that's an interesting

00:28:13.000 year for other reasons, what happens is socialists get in charge.

00:28:19.000 And the socialists allow their more radical friends who call themselves anarchists, who

00:28:26.000 call themselves communists, some are devotees of Stalin, some of them are philosophical

00:28:31.000 followers of Trotsky, you have the center left all the way to the far left now have

00:28:36.000 power.

00:28:37.000 And what happens is the anarcho-communists form militias, and they begin doing what the

00:28:42.000 They start robbing and killing. 0.83

00:28:44.000 They start with landowners, small business owners, priests, nuns, lay workers of the Catholic Church, and they begin mass slaughtering, taking their stuff, killing them. 0.52

00:28:56.000 Horrific crimes against humanity during this period.

00:28:58.000 And the socialist government allows it, endorses it.

00:29:02.000 And then Francisco Franco, who was not in the country at the time, he's away because of all the various shenanigans in northern Africa during that period.

00:29:10.000 He decides, no, this isn't going to work.

00:29:13.000 And what we say is that Franco, similar to George Washington, and we liken these two figures, both of them had the father's heart for their country.

00:29:24.000 And a dad's got to do what a dad's got to do.

00:29:26.000 And the quote that we have as the refrain in the book is what Franco said in English, which is, wherever I am there will be no communism.

00:29:35.000 And he gathered his generals, his mates, they all united in mind in his speech prior to the, we call it, a military uprising against tyranny.

00:29:49.000 Anarcho-tyranny.

00:29:51.000 Notice the word choice in the history books.

00:29:54.000 It's considered a military coup and fascist dictatorship.

00:29:59.000 And so that's the frame that has been set by the leftists who have infiltrated education, entertainment, so on and so forth.

00:30:06.000 And so you look up Franco, you immediately start seeing Nazi paraphernalia, that sort of stuff.

00:30:11.000 And so it's immediately, he's immediately discredited before you even learn anything about him.

00:30:17.000 So Charlie, think about that for what he just said for a second.

00:30:19.000 If Washington had lost, let's say Washington loses, the revolution goes down, we would have been taught that George Washington led a military coup against his government, that he was a rebel, and he was put down, and that'd be the end of it.

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00:31:39.000 So, what is it with helicopters?

00:31:42.000 Or is that Pinochet?

00:31:43.000 That's Pinochet.

00:31:45.000 Allegedly.

00:31:47.000 Pinochet's up there in Who They Hate.

00:31:49.000 Oh yeah.

00:31:50.000 Because he also won.

00:31:53.000 I don't know Franco at all.

00:31:54.000 I know very little about the Spanish Civil War, except for whom the bell tolls.

00:31:57.000 And Ernest Hemingway is all I know.

00:31:59.000 Who fought for the communists.

00:32:01.000 What?

00:32:02.000 No, totally, of course.

00:32:03.000 I know very... Well, you know Orwell fought in the Spanish Civil War.

00:32:06.000 Yeah, and then he became less of a communist afterwards.

00:32:08.000 Because... He was like, these people only hate the rich, they don't care about the poor.

00:32:11.000 So George Orwell gets... The way to read Orwell, once we actually learn Spanish Civil War, is... We all read Animal Farm, like, when we're young.

00:32:18.000 Then maybe high school, we get to 1984.

00:32:20.000 If you have a good high school.

00:32:21.000 Or if you're going to Turning Point Academy.

00:32:23.000 Which is a... It is a great book.

00:32:24.000 It is legitimately a masterpiece.

00:32:25.000 Is it in Turning Point Academy?

00:32:27.000 We're going to fix that.

00:32:29.000 There's a sex scene.

00:32:32.000 I hate editing books, but it is rather graphic.

00:32:36.000 I have a side story.

00:32:37.000 A parent got really mad.

00:32:38.000 We recommended it once.

00:32:40.000 You tried to get it in there.

00:32:41.000 If you can get out that one sex scene, it's a great book.

00:32:44.000 I know what you're talking about.

00:32:45.000 And it's completely irrelevant to the plot of the book.

00:32:48.000 No, meaning if you just, if you, you could water that down.

00:32:51.000 You could water it down.

00:32:52.000 As they had romantic relations move on.

00:32:54.000 Right, right, right.

00:32:55.000 They spent the night together.

00:32:56.000 Fine.

00:32:57.000 But then the last book, though, Homage to Catalonia, was actually the first book that he wrote which enabled the other books to be written.

00:33:05.000 And this was a work of nonfiction because he's fighting over there with the, they called him the Republicans, but this is actually the side of the Socialist Communists, He gets shot in the neck, so Orwell almost dies in the Spanish Civil War, and he's up in the hospital, and when he's in the hospital he's reading newspapers.

00:33:23.000 And he's reading the newspapers, but they're all from the communist side, reading about these battles and all the things that are going on, and he goes, wait a minute.

00:33:31.000 This battle never took place.

00:33:33.000 That's not what happened at all.

00:33:34.000 This is all lies.

00:33:35.000 And then he's reading the newspapers back from London because he's British. 1.00

00:33:39.000 He said, wait a minute, you guys are just copying the crap that came out of the Spanish lies. 0.99

00:33:43.000 And then this is kind of what in what we would say red pills him to the lies about the media. 0.93

00:33:49.000 And then that enables Animal Farm and 1984 later to be written.

00:33:54.000 So, let's be historically honest.

00:33:57.000 Is there anything Franco did that the audience should be aware of that wasn't great?

00:34:03.000 Look, Charlie, Franco was fighting a war.

00:34:06.000 And he fought a civil war the same way that Sherman fought a civil war.

00:34:11.000 It was brutal.

00:34:11.000 He marched to the sea?

00:34:13.000 There were multiple marches to the sea.

00:34:15.000 And he was ultimately successful?

00:34:17.000 And he was ultimately successful.

00:34:18.000 So explain to me why Spain is so communist-socialist now.

00:34:21.000 What happened?

00:34:22.000 Yeah, so Franco, who is famously, when you really look into it, he's not really ideological at all.

00:34:28.000 He actually kind of hated politics.

00:34:30.000 He just wanted things to be run well, and he wanted to restore the king.

00:34:33.000 Which is incredibly political.

00:34:34.000 Which is very political.

00:34:35.000 But yeah, he hated the parties, he hated all politics.

00:34:38.000 He just wanted his church, and he wanted the king on the throne, and he wanted Spain to be the way that it was, and he did what it took to get there at the end.

00:34:45.000 He didn't care for anyone to be on the right or the left.

00:34:48.000 He just didn't care.

00:34:50.000 And, but when he left, when he died, he, so he didn't want to have a, you know, hereditary dictatorship or anything like that, so he said, I'm gonna leave the decision of what happens next to the king, to King Alfonso.

00:35:05.000 And it goes to King Alfonso, and this is King Alfonso II now because King Alfonso I has passed on, and King Alfonso II says, we're going to try the Republic thing again.

00:35:15.000 And they go to the Republic thing again, Spain votes for the left, and they've continued to vote for the left ever since.

00:35:23.000 Until quite recently.

00:35:25.000 Spain?

00:35:26.000 It's a little blip.

00:35:28.000 There's some signs of life, Charlie.

00:35:30.000 Some signs of life.

00:35:31.000 So the other revolutions you guys cover... But think of it, though.

00:35:34.000 Think of it.

00:35:35.000 I'll put it this way.

00:35:37.000 When Franco was in power, and this isn't me being historical accuracy, right?

00:35:42.000 economic powerhouse, total economic domination in Western Europe.

00:35:47.000 Number two, protects Spain from World War II.

00:35:51.000 Doesn't get involved, doesn't go in with Hitler, doesn't go in with the Allies either,

00:35:55.000 says we're going to stay out of this slaughter and this bloodletting and incest.

00:36:00.000 Because when he handed it over and the left got back in and they play to the romanticism

00:36:06.000 and they play to the emotions and they play to the passions.

00:36:08.000 These are the Spaniards we're talking about after all.

00:36:10.000 Spain is a sad country.

00:36:11.000 And you look at how Spain has completely spiraled down since the days of the 1970s.

00:36:16.000 Yeah, it's sad.

00:36:18.000 I've been to Spain multiple times, and it's a sad country now.

00:36:21.000 It's beautiful.

00:36:22.000 Of course it is.

00:36:23.000 The food is great.

00:36:25.000 It's basically the entire country is a museum.

00:36:28.000 All they do is tourism now.

00:36:29.000 Exactly.

00:36:29.000 They make very little products themselves.

00:36:31.000 All their entrepreneurial capacity is gone.

00:36:33.000 And everything they had was from when they had the empire, which was a Catholic monarchy, which by the way also is responsible for 1492, not just clearing out the Reconquista, so restoring their country from foreign occupation.

00:36:49.000 Sounds like Britain. 0.93

00:36:50.000 Sounds like Britain. 0.93

00:36:51.000 So, other revolutions.

00:36:51.000 sending over Christopher Columbus to discover America. So Spain goes from

00:36:55.000 being this massive world-changing, history-changing power to a husk of its

00:37:00.000 former self on the left. Sounds like Britain. Precisely. So other revolution.

00:37:04.000 Interesting question about who won World War II, isn't it?

00:37:06.000 So who did win World War II?

00:37:08.000 Stalin. Stalin.

00:37:10.000 Joseph Stalin.

00:37:11.000 Communism.

00:37:12.000 Stalin gets out of World War II.

00:37:13.000 And the Cold War.

00:37:14.000 Precisely. 0.74

00:37:15.000 So Stalin wins the Cold War by turning us into a gay version of the Soviet Union. 0.94

00:37:21.000 But Stalin comes out of World War II.

00:37:23.000 Think about this.

00:37:24.000 It's a whole book of reframes.

00:37:26.000 We're not presenting anything new that you haven't heard, but we're reframing it.

00:37:29.000 That's a Scott Adams term.

00:37:30.000 It is.

00:37:31.000 Well, Joshua was the editor of Scott Adams.

00:37:34.000 Are you serious?

00:37:34.000 Yeah.

00:37:36.000 Yeah, that's a great book.

00:37:37.000 He worked on the book.

00:37:37.000 Oh, is that right?

00:37:38.000 Yeah.

00:37:38.000 I love the book.

00:37:39.000 I love it too.

00:37:40.000 So the reframe is, there's reframes in here.

00:37:42.000 So the reframe on World War II is that, think about it, from Berlin to Beijing is a communist empire at the end of World War II, and then they get North Korea to boot afterwards.

00:37:54.000 And so when you look at it, Britain loses the empire.

00:37:57.000 The United States, yes, gained some economic dominance, but we don't really, we sort of inherit a lot of stuff from the British Empire, but it's through their destruction.

00:38:05.000 But it's Stalin who gains all of Eastern Europe, completely sold out. 0.87

00:38:09.000 Think about it, Charlie.

00:38:10.000 World War II started because Hitler invaded Poland. 0.59

00:38:13.000 And so if World War II is about the liberation of Poland, why did we give it to Stalin at the end of the war? 0.71

00:38:19.000 Interesting question.

00:38:20.000 See, I love Churchill, but it is the greatest criticism of Winston Churchill.

00:38:23.000 He tried.

00:38:25.000 Again, I love Churchill, but the greatest criticism is he made a big stink of, we have to fight the Nazis over Poland, and then he hands Poland to the Communists.

00:38:33.000 Right.

00:38:33.000 I will say though, it is more Roosevelt.

00:38:37.000 So when we get into the book, when we get into Tehran and Yalta, and actually Tehran is where a lot of these decisions were made, and Yalta was kind of like rubber stamping it.

00:38:45.000 It's a lot more Roosevelt who's going along with this and he and he's because Roosevelt is he's like catatonic by the time of Yalta.

00:38:52.000 His just mind is like a similar president that we might know and he's giving Stalin everything he wants. 0.73

00:39:00.000 He's totally surrounded by Soviet spies and agents and Alger Hiss and all the rest of them doing these negotiations.

00:39:05.000 And he just wants the United Nations.

00:39:07.000 And so he's going to Stalin, and whatever you want, whatever you want, whatever you want, I just want the United Nations. 0.75

00:39:12.000 And Churchill is the one who's sort of saying, realizing that he's getting squeezed out, and he tries to hold this wholly separate meeting with Stalin up in Moscow, and that Stalin kind of glad hands him and yeses him to death, and then just throws it all into the wind.

00:39:26.000 So the book is on humans.

00:39:27.000 You guys, we've talked about, we don't have to talk about China, because we would spend another hour on that, but the Chinese Revolution is super interesting.

00:39:32.000 It's different in some ways.

00:39:34.000 But you're saying the contention of the modern application of the book is that there's been a slow-moving, top-down, bottom-up revolution institutionally for the last 50 years in this country?

00:39:45.000 Yes, is that right?

00:39:46.000 Yes.

00:39:46.000 50, 60 years?

00:39:47.000 But that's categorically different than the Russian Revolution, which was like in the streets, storm.

00:39:52.000 Has there been any other parallel of which the communists have been so patient, so deliberate, like they have in America? 0.51

00:39:59.000 Because it seems like every other country is shock and awe, storm the streets, take over the government.

00:40:04.000 The way we talk about this is, so warfare has changed over the years, and drawing from my background in Navy Intelligence, we know that we don't do three-generation warfare anymore, or second-generation warfare where it's like the Civil War and we're going and lining up and we're fighting in the streets.

00:40:19.000 There's asymmetric warfare, fourth generation warfare, and then there's fifth generation warfare, which is a combination of asymmetric warfare, social media, and occasionally kinetic action.

00:40:28.000 So in the same way that warfare has advanced, we would expect and do see that revolutionary tactics have also advanced.

00:40:35.000 And this is why, and Joshua was speaking to it earlier, we kind of call this an irregular revolution is what we're in.

00:40:41.000 This is our like big brain idea that we've came up with.

00:40:44.000 So this is why like you can walk down the street and things seem kind of normal for the most part and you

00:40:51.000 can sort of see people going to work.

00:40:51.000 Outside of the drug addict and the guy defecating in the park and the...

00:40:54.000 But then you start noticing...

00:40:55.000 And the drag queen in front of an eight-year-old. 0.99

00:40:57.000 Everything's totally normal.

00:40:58.000 And then you start... Well, you don't see a kinetic violent revolution is what I'm saying.

00:41:03.000 But what we argue is those aspects that you're just talking about, in addition to,

00:41:07.000 look, we're right here in the Detroit Huntington Center.

00:41:12.000 We've got massive pride flags outside.

00:41:15.000 We've got massive illegal immigration just going in across the northern border right here, by the way.

00:41:21.000 And we argue that those are all facets of this irregular revolution.

00:41:24.000 So it's a low-level destabilization, a sort of gray zone warfare, if you will, the same way that the Chinese are using hybrid warfare against us. 0.88

00:41:32.000 So they're slowly destabilizing, but rapidly and more increasingly, They are ramping it up because they know that this counter-revolution, that's your book, is coming up to potentially defeat them.

00:41:43.000 Yeah, and we're here to talk about your book, but that's right.

00:41:46.000 Again, they could be one, two partners.

00:41:47.000 So I want to emphasize two more things.

00:41:49.000 We have about 10 minutes remaining.

00:41:51.000 How to crush them.

00:41:52.000 Oh, yeah. 0.66

00:41:53.000 Let's go, Josh.

00:41:54.000 But I'm not interested on how Russia could have crushed their revolution.

00:41:59.000 How do you crush an institutional, slow-moving, 50-year revolution?

00:42:03.000 How do you do that?

00:42:05.000 It looks different at every stage of society and every, we call it fractal level or every zoom level.

00:42:11.000 So there's the individuals and there's families.

00:42:13.000 And most of the people who are reading this book are soccer moms and Little League dads, dads who listen to your podcast and the occasional war room on Rumble and they're President Trump supporters and voters.

00:42:25.000 They do not necessarily have institutional power.

00:42:26.000 So what can individuals do?

00:42:29.000 What can families do? 0.59

00:42:30.000 What can communities do?

00:42:31.000 What can local elected leaders do?

00:42:33.000 School boards to counties?

00:42:35.000 What about state?

00:42:36.000 What about federal?

00:42:37.000 And so we lay out in Chapter 13, this is the plan of action, the sort of counter-revolutionary strategy and tactics.

00:42:43.000 And the key reframe that we point out is that in a gray zone warfare context, Specifically, the revolutionary war that we're currently experiencing, there are these micro-revolutions that are intended to take out a specific person.

00:42:59.000 Peter Navarro, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump himself, and other figures.

00:43:04.000 Or institutions like the NRA.

00:43:06.000 Yes, that's right.

00:43:07.000 And it's not all gun owners, like it might have been in the past.

00:43:11.000 It's one organization.

00:43:12.000 It's not all Republicans or the Republican Party.

00:43:16.000 It's those who are the most influential, who are the most powerful.

00:43:19.000 If you can alienate them, That prevents there from being an overwhelming show of force, because it's grazed on this plausible deniability.

00:43:28.000 And they use this through this mass formation hypnosis.

00:43:31.000 Nobody is above the law.

00:43:33.000 Well, where there's smoke, there's fire.

00:43:35.000 Look at all those felony indictments.

00:43:36.000 Well, there's got to be something there.

00:43:38.000 And so the average person, the average voter, even many Republicans, kind of shrug and say, well, okay, maybe there really is something there, unfortunately.

00:43:47.000 And so What individuals can do is they can prepare themselves for a micro-revolution to come against them.

00:43:54.000 Okay, what are the threats?

00:43:55.000 Well, there's de-banking, there's de-platforming, and there's even destroying your reputation and your ability to take care of yourself and your family.

00:44:01.000 So what is it that you can do to protect yourself, your family, your community?

00:44:06.000 Who can you support?

00:44:08.000 And then we go all the way up to the great men of history that we need, people with a father's heart like Washington, like Franco, even like Pinochet, another character who's hated.

00:44:18.000 What can they do?

00:44:19.000 And we lay out some specifics.

00:44:21.000 Those who have money, those who have power, what specifically can they do to engage in reciprocal action?

00:44:28.000 Reciprocity being the key.

00:44:29.000 Not being reactionary, but being reciprocal against those who are using tactics like lawfare.

00:44:36.000 Joshua, tell Charlie a little bit about what we lay out.

00:44:39.000 So there's, Charlie, something that's been so bandied about on our side.

00:44:44.000 They say we can't do eye for an eye.

00:44:46.000 We can't do eye for an eye because that makes the whole world blind.

00:44:50.000 Joshua, what is the iron law of reciprocity?

00:44:54.000 So civilization was first created because of a system of law and order under the code of Hammurabi, the Babylonian emperor, which was an eye for an eye, effectively.

00:45:03.000 And we reframe that famous line, oh, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

00:45:08.000 So let's just be nice and point out their hypocrisy and say, well, what if they did worse to us?

00:45:14.000 You see this sort of thing.

00:45:14.000 What if the roles were reversed?

00:45:16.000 Is the usual message that we hear.

00:45:18.000 But in reality, this is what our species figured out 4,000 plus years ago.

00:45:24.000 An eye-for-an-eye keeps would-be eye-gougers from poking at people's eyes because they fear what would happen to them. 0.70

00:45:30.000 So I have to defend the eye-for-the-eye thing.

00:45:32.000 It's one of the great moral advancements in the Torah, the Bible, which it says very clearly an eye-for-an-eye is the justice that is laid out in the book of Exodus.

00:45:44.000 So you think about it, it's actually a statement of human equality.

00:45:48.000 That a rich person's eye is not more important than your eye.

00:45:51.000 Well, so, and prior to this, there was no conception of a rule of law.

00:45:57.000 The idea that there should be a rule is what would, because prior to that, you just had

00:46:01.000 tribal violence.

00:46:02.000 And so someone from that tribe has done something to me, so we respond by crossing tribes.

00:46:05.000 Or they would go an eye for a head.

00:46:07.000 An eye for, well, that's what I'm saying, though. 0.99

00:46:08.000 They would cut off your head. 1.00

00:46:10.000 I'm going to crush that tribe. 1.00

00:46:12.000 I'm going to kill them. 1.00

00:46:13.000 I'm going to wipe them out. 1.00

00:46:14.000 In Leviticus 19, it says, in the administration of justice, you shall not favor a rich person or a poor person, but justice must be done for its own sake.

00:46:24.000 I'm paraphrasing, of course.

00:46:25.000 So is it possible to win this?

00:46:33.000 By political and cultural means.

00:46:36.000 Of course.

00:46:39.000 Because every example you've used is great, but it required violence.

00:46:45.000 Because they were faced with violence already.

00:46:48.000 And that's key.

00:46:48.000 Has it ever been done without violence?

00:46:51.000 Has it ever been done?

00:46:52.000 Of course.

00:46:53.000 Of course it's been done without violence.

00:46:54.000 Where?

00:46:55.000 In the United States.

00:46:56.000 So we've crushed communists before?

00:46:58.000 In the United States, in the first Red Scare, in the very first Red Scare during the really Teddy Roosevelt era, remember Charlie, we had a president of the United States that was assassinated by an anarcho-socialist, which to my chagrin was a Polish immigrant. 0.98

00:47:12.000 Leon Cholgash, who killed President McKinley up in Buffalo in 1901.

00:47:17.000 This is how Teddy Roosevelt went from being vice president to our youngest president.

00:47:22.000 And so during that time, communists were rounded up.

00:47:24.000 If they were foreign, they were kicked out. 1.00

00:47:26.000 This is where you get the communists, the alien sedition acts.

00:47:31.000 And so he was rounded up, they were rounded up and kicked out.

00:47:34.000 Emma Goldman is rounded up and kicked out.

00:47:35.000 So we take these Foreigners who are destabilizing our lands even some of them who had legal permission to be here But we decided because of what they were doing that we were going to get rid of them We did and we did actually produce we actually defeated communism during that first Red Scare 1.00

00:47:52.000 Through the power, by the way, of using institutions and using the legal means that are necessary to not respond with violence.

00:48:00.000 We did not respond.

00:48:01.000 Well, actually, Lee Ann Schulgus was executed, but but we didn't respond to the entire movement with violence.

00:48:07.000 We removed them.

00:48:08.000 So the last question, because and that's by the way, that's the difference between reciprocal reciprocity and reactionism.

00:48:16.000 So those reactionary is wipe them all out. 0.99

00:48:19.000 Last question.

00:48:21.000 Your book is on humans.

00:48:23.000 Are communists channeling the demonic?

00:48:26.000 Absolutely.

00:48:26.000 There's no question.

00:48:28.000 Now, they would never admit that, by the way, but this is how Satan and demons are able to infiltrate.

00:48:36.000 Once they use greed, they use the envy of someone who has more, they use lust, They use all of the seven deadly sins to their advantage.

00:48:43.000 Gluttony.

00:48:44.000 They use gluttony.

00:48:46.000 We live in a gluttonous society, and so all of these vices are specifically given.

00:48:51.000 We would never have a month dedicated to pride.

00:48:53.000 By the way, we would never do such a thing.

00:48:54.000 We even have a month dedicated to one of the deadly sins, the first of the seven deadly sins.

00:49:01.000 So, Joshua, in closing, do you believe that they're channeling the demonic?

00:49:06.000 That seems to be the case, because what Well, we were talking about this last night, Jack and I, how there is a genre of film, horror, which is explicitly Catholic.

00:49:19.000 And the exorcism and being possessed by dark and evil spirits.

00:49:24.000 Yeah, he held up his rosary. Dark and evil spirits.

00:49:27.000 And so that word horror, it's similar in the experience to terror.

00:49:35.000 And...

00:49:36.000 And terror is the most powerful weapon that on humans use.

00:49:43.000 By the time you feel terror, it's too late.

00:49:45.000 And we talked about how it's one of the most horrific nightmares that a person can experience is as a feeling of terror.

00:49:52.000 Charlie, during the Haitian Revolution, which was, by the way, a white genocide, before the genocide was conducted, one of the very first things that the revolutionaries, these freed slaves, they'd already been freed by the French, one of the very first things they did was commit animal sacrifice, drink the blood of goats, walk around in a circle in Haiti chanting incantations to the occult to come out of West Africa, And then they rose up after getting drunk on the blood of these freshly killed animals, and rise up and start slaughtering every white child, every woman is raped, every child is killed, every man is killed, their heads are chopped off.

00:50:32.000 It becomes a complete blood orgy in the streets of Haiti, completely kicked off by occult rituals. 0.99

00:50:39.000 Which, by the way, as we know, continue to this day.

00:50:41.000 Haiti's a wonderful place.

00:50:42.000 Isn't it wonderful?

00:50:44.000 On Humans by Jack Posobiec and Joshua Lissak.

00:50:48.000 Thanks guys so much.

00:50:48.000 Appreciate it Charlie.

00:50:51.000 Thanks so much for listening everybody.

00:50:52.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:50:55.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 06, 2024

The Secret History of Communist Revolutions ft. Jack Posobiec and Joshua Lisec

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