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00:01:35.000Well, Charlie... Talk right into the mic.
00:01:37.000As you know, we, on Human Events Daily, we were doing this over the Christmas break, we kind of take some time where we step back, we do a bunch of deep dive, there's not a lot of news going on, so we were doing deep dives into communism, my favorite subject.
00:01:49.000And we wanted to talk about the history of communism because, look, there's so many books out there, there's so many programs about the philosophy, the ideology of communism, why communism doesn't work, etc, etc.
00:02:14.000And of course, he's always flittering around somewhere.
00:02:18.000And what ended up happening, sort of happy accident, the same way they say that most great discoveries happen by accident, we actually discovered a system.
00:02:27.000And a system by in which these groups of people, sometimes they call themselves communists, sometimes it's Jacobin, sometimes it's the Khmer Rouge, sometimes it's the CCP, sometimes the Bolsheviks, the Mensheviks, we all know the list.
00:02:41.000And so working with Joshua, we were able to actually itemize this system and figure out how it's been run in country after country, time and again, time after time, place after place, people after people.
00:03:55.000And there's no sense of urgency, immediacy.
00:03:58.000And what we do in the book is that our hypothesis is that we're currently undergoing an irregular communist revolution in the United States that's been slow-walked through all institutions since the 1950s, 1960s.
00:04:10.000And we look at characters who have been despised by By not just left-wing educators and entertainment, but even the center and even the right, like Joseph McCarthy, who was right about everything with his lists, and it wasn't revealed until the 90s that he was right.
00:04:24.000And same with Francisco Franco, who was successful at defeating the communists, and that's why he is so reviled.
00:04:31.000When it comes to Joseph McCarthy, tell the audience here a little bit about the Verona intercepts because there's so many people who think McCarthy is this boogeyman, he's this crazy figure, he was just going after people he didn't like, but then the Verona intercepts come out after the fall of the Soviet Union.
00:04:50.000They found that Senator McCarthy had compiled these lists, and they were secret lists, and it was suspected Soviet spies, Soviet sympathizers who were active in the U.S.
00:04:59.000Army, also possibly in Hollywood, and the accusation against Senator McCarthy was that, and there was a hearing in which a fellow senator talked him down, and he was immediately censured afterward, became an alcoholic, and then died a couple of years later.
00:05:15.000The accusation against him was, Senator, have you no decency?
00:05:20.000And that word decency has been used against other right-wing figures who have been effective.
00:05:27.000And so when the left takes power, oh, it's a return to decency.
00:05:29.000It's a sort of word thinking that the left tends to use to try to persuade and try to manipulate the masses.
00:05:36.000Just on that point, Jill Biden has that famous tweet, decency is on the ballot.
00:05:41.000So it's the exact same words that we see again and again.
00:05:43.000They're used to sort of trick the right into this sort of false sense of putting principle over power.
00:05:51.000And so one of the things that we also do in the book, and I know you talk about this a lot as well, is, and certainly we talk about it on the show, is if you have all principle and no power, you're completely insane.
00:06:03.000Now if you have all power and no principle, you're a tyrant.
00:06:07.000But if you have principles without power, it's meaningless.
00:06:17.000The left understands that in order to enact their agenda, in order to enact what they want, they need to use power first.
00:06:25.000This is what we explain and we talk about a Issuing a software update to the movement because there's so many... And Charlie, I know you see this every single day.
00:06:33.000There's so many people who say, whoa, whoa, whoa, I don't want to jump the process.
00:07:10.000And we're still sitting back saying, whoa, guys, this word, this title on humans might
00:07:14.000be a little mean, might be a little nasty.
00:07:17.000So let's talk about the Russian Revolution.
00:07:22.000What led to the Russian Revolution that is similar to what we're living through right now?
00:07:27.000There's aspects of it that are similar and aspects that are dissimilar.
00:07:31.000Prior to the Russian Revolution, there was actually a period of real oppression.
00:07:36.000There was a form of slavery in Russia, the serf system, where the peasantry could not own land functionally and they were effectively slaves.
00:07:43.000And then they became somewhat like sharecroppers, similar to the American South, in the same period of the 1860s and afterwards.
00:07:51.000In the United States, we haven't had any actual systemic oppression like that for a long, long time.
00:07:58.000Where it's similar is Lenin, Vladimir Lenin, the leader of the Bolshevik movement, he was able to build a coalition of the fringes.
00:08:06.000People who were rejects from society, ex-convicts, unemployed people, and he was able to promise them, going back to word thinking, his slogan was peace, land, bread.
00:08:19.000And everyone who was in the underclass resonated with that, because they'd only known war of World War I, they'd known issues with famines because of bumbling planning from the czarist regime, and they've also known a time of land issue.
00:08:34.000And so he was able to promise people what they wanted, and then he built himself a massive coalition and a mob, and he then unleashed them in the October Revolution of 1917 upon the... How many people were involved in that revolution?
00:08:48.000Well, wasn't there a failed one previously, about a decade prior?
00:09:21.000It's actually kind of interesting because at this point in time, you've got Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, even Freud, and they're all living together in Vienna, right?
00:09:31.000And like within, like, they all went to the same coffee shop, basically, you know, within the same neighborhood in Vienna.
00:09:36.000It's like if you could just take one Moab and just let it go.
00:09:41.000And not to mention his nephew, Edward Bernays, who is the inventor of modern propaganda and modern marketing.
00:09:51.000And so when we look at this situation, they've all been kicked out, they've all been exiled, and Trotsky, by the way, ends up all the way back in Canada.
00:10:00.000So he's out in North America, that's how far they threw him out.
00:10:03.000Later, as we know, ends up in Mexico as well.
00:10:05.000Dies in Mexico, assassinated with an ice pick by Stalin.
00:10:08.000You see, there's always this interesting thing, Charlie, that once the communists take over, the first thing they start killing are the other communists that don't exactly support their way.
00:10:17.000But how many people were involved in the 17th Revolution?
00:10:20.000I mean, you've only got a couple of thousand people.
00:10:39.000Because people thought that it would blow over people.
00:10:42.000They would say, oh, this is going too far, and they're being hypocrites, and the people will see it, and the people will eventually throw this off.
00:10:52.000There was this point, Charlie, where the entire Bolshevik party was in like one building, and you had members of the White Army, which we get into.
00:11:02.000They were already taking over, they were already slaughtering people, and they say, oh no, we don't want to, you know, we don't want to do something that's against our principles, so we're not going to do that.
00:11:10.000One building, one building could have saved all of Russia, all of the people, no gulags, no Solzhenitsyn, none of it, no Red Terror, etc.
00:11:19.000So I want to focus on Russia because it's the one I know best, but was there a fair amount of pride or hubris by the czars as this revolution was brewing?
00:12:29.000And those are the landowners, those are the factory owners.
00:12:33.000And then he would go from Soviet to Soviet.
00:12:35.000And Soviet was kind of like their version of like a casual union member, the councils of workers and factories, the unemployed, the underemployed.
00:12:44.000Those are the Soviets that he went around to, and rallying them up, and uniting them.
00:12:48.000And again, it's not millions of people.
00:12:50.000It's not even the vast majority of the country, or even a significant minority.
00:12:55.000And then comes the messaging, where he gets everyone singing the same song, hearing the same message, repetition, repetition, repetition.
00:13:02.000It's a form of almost mass formation hypnosis, is the term that we like to use, where everyone just begins to believe, peace, land, bread, peace, land, bread.
00:13:16.000This is where they look at key institutions, key choke points, that when they finally begin the revolution, stage one... So that was September of 17, yeah?
00:13:25.000All of, prior to those, and a number of years going back after.
00:13:28.000But was that, that's when it, that's when it sort of hit the... It really kicks off there.
00:13:32.000And so the three groups that I think you're looking for, so obviously the aristocracy, and not just, not just the Romanovs, but also the lower, the lower houses, etc.
00:13:45.000Priests, nuns, and that's obviously, for anyone who knows anything about communism, that's one of the very first groups that gets completely liquidated.
00:13:53.000Throughout Russia, China, Spain, France, even in the French Revolution, the religious orders all have to go because they cannot allow or permit any ideology other than those.
00:14:03.000And third, and this is possibly most interesting and less well known, it's what they call the Kulaks.
00:14:09.000And so the Kulaks, small landowners, I actually like to explain this to people by saying, this is like your small business owner today.
00:14:15.000This is somebody who has got a small business, a local business, maybe you've got e-commerce, dropshipping, something like that, or just someone who maybe has a couple of houses and they do Airbnb, or they've got a house down the shore, a vacation home that they rent out.
00:14:28.000So when you look at what they're doing to landowners and landlords today in the United States, particularly New York City, I mean, this is a very deep-seated testament of communism by going after the landowners.
00:14:41.000And so those people are the ones who are actually targeted, in some cases, even more than the people who... So if you're an aristocrat who sides with the revolution, and of course we have plenty of those, those people kind of, they go for them last.
00:14:55.000They do eventually come for them, but they come last.
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00:16:09.000A couple thousand then all multiplied into tens of thousands.
00:16:11.000And then, we'll use, they use strikes.
00:16:14.000So they use general strikes and one of the biggest general strikes actually that they use to start the Russian Revolution is actually International Women's Day.
00:16:23.000So International Women's Day was actually... Did it exist at the time?
00:16:27.000Was created by the communists to get all the women out of the workforce and say we're doing this for the women and then the men of course need to come to support their women.
00:16:36.000And so because nobody showed up to work, this was how they threw sawdust in the gears of what they saw as the Russian Empire, they saw as the, you know, the oppressor class.
00:16:45.000So they run out into the streets, then basically perform what we saw throughout 2020 here.
00:17:03.000By a grenade by one of these anarchists.
00:17:06.000So they've already known that it's kind of on its last legs.
00:17:09.000So at that point, that's when the Tsar decides, alright, the way to end it all, we've got people in the streets, everybody's freaking out, I'm going to abdicate.
00:17:17.000And so he abdicates, Tsar Nicholas II, with his family, says, if I lay down my crown, if I leave with my family, then all of Russia will be safe, and I will give in, and I will surrender to the mob.
00:17:30.000Doesn't call up the military doesn't call up. You know the Imperial Royal Guard of Russia the Romanovs
00:17:36.000No, no, no, no doesn't do any of this says I'm gonna give up the crown and hopefully the mob will accept that and
00:17:41.000then They'll all go away. What do you think happened next
00:17:43.000Charlie? I bet I could guess well what ends up happening next?
00:17:47.000So there's a provisional government that goes in and this is why this is where you have the difference between the
00:17:51.000February and the October revolutions that I know you're just mentioning
00:17:55.000So there's this provisional government that's set up for like six months, and they say, they're talking about, oh, we're going to be a republic, and we're going to be a democracy, and keep in mind that World War I is still raging at this point.
00:18:07.000And we didn't even talk about the fact that it was Germany that brought Lenin and Trotsky back to Russia, with a little bit of help from some people even in North America, as I know you know.
00:18:17.000Yeah, the American government shepherded Trotsky all over the place.
00:18:20.000He was in Canada for quite a while, too.
00:18:22.000He was in Canada, and then he ends up in Switzerland.
00:18:24.000He was in Prince Edward Island or something.
00:18:25.000Prince Edward Island, off of Newfoundland, and then gets sent back.
00:18:29.000during World War I. Super sus. And then because they know he's subversive. The OSS, I don't
00:18:35.000know if they existed back then. No, the OSS wasn't, that was World War II. And then so
00:18:38.000the question is, if Russia is our ally, why is it that we were helping? Because it was
00:18:43.000the Germans who wanted to knock Russia out because Russia wasn't doing very well against
00:18:48.000Germany on the Eastern Front, but at the same time, you've still got these massive waves
00:20:34.000And so what's interesting is that we find throughout the book that most of the guys who are involved in these communist revolutions don't actually have a proletarian background at all.
00:20:42.000But Stalin is actually kind of a He kind of doesn't meet the grain in that because he does have a very impoverished background, but he has the background of a criminal.
00:20:54.000He went to seminary school in Georgia.
00:20:56.000He goes to seminary, but then leaves, gets involved in petty crime, and then sort of falls in with, you know, criminals and communists were kind of the same thing as he was coming up.
00:21:07.000Because it was all about, again, through that coalition of the fringes.
00:21:11.000He eventually gets recruited by a communist cell.
00:21:13.000And because he's one of the most brutal, violent enforcers of communism, basically, if they needed someone to do their dirty work, you called up Joe.
00:21:23.000And he was the one who came up all the way to the top.
00:21:26.000But they never... Lenin and Trotsky never viewed him as somebody who could be a successor to them.
00:21:31.000They wanted him to just be sort of like the brute thug.
00:21:37.000So in the events that led to that well-described, thank you, Russian Revolution event, the czars were oppressing the people by not allowing land ownership.
00:21:49.000So our current government is not allowing land ownership.
00:21:56.000We hypothesize that a communist revolution has been slow walked through all of our institutions since the 1950s, 1960s, with that operational preparation of the environment.
00:22:07.000The messaging, the key institutions and choke points being possessed by far leftists, people who despise and hate everything about Western civilization.
00:22:17.000The United States of America, we've had 1776 replaced by 1619.
00:22:22.000And there's a new civic religion now that everyone has to pledge allegiance to, or your career is threatened.
00:22:29.000And so we further suggest that there are a series of micro-revolutions, micro-communist revolutions, you might call them, that are being launched at particular figures whose platform, whose influence, and whose even hard power is a threat.
00:22:46.000to the modern communist regime, or as we like to call them, the unhumans,
00:22:52.000because what they do is they unhuman their victims.
00:22:54.000They deprive them of life, liberty, property, always in reverse order.
00:22:58.000First they take their stuff, then they take their civic rights,
00:24:24.000Communism is when ugly, deformed freaks make it illegal to be normal, then rob and or kill all successful people out of petty resentment and cruelty.
00:24:34.000The ideology is all just window dressing.
00:25:09.000This is our whole thesis, that even the way we talk about communism, if you're talking about equality and justice, you're talking within their frame.
00:25:38.000I have a book that's also coming out this week, Right-Wing Revolution, which it actually could be like the prequel or sequel, which I totally agree because I think a revolution is coming and I want it to be a right-wing one, not a left-wing revolution.
00:25:50.000And when I mean revolution, I think all the institutions are about to be Well, so we talk about that in this as well.
00:26:14.000And so what we see in each of these case studies, and that's what it is, it's case studies, we're not doing the, you know, if you want an entry point, you're into the history, you want to learn something, but you don't want to read one of those like 7,000 page tomes, get this, it's a great read, it breaks it down into a system.
00:26:31.000In each of these times, we do find counter-revolutionaries, whether in Russia, with Pyotr Wrangel, in Spain with General Franco, who was ultimately successful against the Communists, which is why they hate him and hate his guts to this day so much that they dug him up and reburied him somewhere else that he didn't want to be.
00:26:51.000In China, you see it with Chiang Kai-shek, who was completely sold out by Truman, FDR, and George Marshall, which we totally get into in the book and actually tell the truth about Yalta.
00:27:02.000Who was Franco, and why is he hated so much?
00:27:03.000and then in France of course with Napoleon. So the, okay let's talk about
00:27:10.000Franco. Who was Franco and why is he hated so much? Joshua first. Francisco
00:27:16.000Franco was a general in the Spanish Army prior to and during the Spanish Civil
00:27:22.000War of the early mid late 1930s that that period.
00:27:25.000And he had previously been responsible for putting down worker strikes that were rolled out by anarcho-communists, the idea being, we can create, we can spark a revolution, some of what happened in Russia. And of
00:27:39.000course Soviets had been quietly agitating inside of Spain.
00:27:43.000Some of the communist leaders of Spain had been hiding in Paris for a little while, getting education, materials,
00:27:50.000training, resources, funding from the Soviet Union, from the common term. What year was this?
00:27:56.000This is late 20s, early 30s, this whole period.
00:27:58.000So it's the, this is the interwar period.
00:28:03.000It's sort of like the prelude to World War II.
00:28:06.000And so what happens is following the presidential election 1933-34, oh, that's an interesting
00:28:13.000year for other reasons, what happens is socialists get in charge.
00:28:19.000And the socialists allow their more radical friends who call themselves anarchists, who
00:28:26.000call themselves communists, some are devotees of Stalin, some of them are philosophical
00:28:31.000followers of Trotsky, you have the center left all the way to the far left now have
00:28:44.000They start with landowners, small business owners, priests, nuns, lay workers of the Catholic Church, and they begin mass slaughtering, taking their stuff, killing them.
00:28:56.000Horrific crimes against humanity during this period.
00:28:58.000And the socialist government allows it, endorses it.
00:29:02.000And then Francisco Franco, who was not in the country at the time, he's away because of all the various shenanigans in northern Africa during that period.
00:29:10.000He decides, no, this isn't going to work.
00:29:13.000And what we say is that Franco, similar to George Washington, and we liken these two figures, both of them had the father's heart for their country.
00:29:24.000And a dad's got to do what a dad's got to do.
00:29:26.000And the quote that we have as the refrain in the book is what Franco said in English, which is, wherever I am there will be no communism.
00:29:35.000And he gathered his generals, his mates, they all united in mind in his speech prior to the, we call it, a military uprising against tyranny.
00:29:51.000Notice the word choice in the history books.
00:29:54.000It's considered a military coup and fascist dictatorship.
00:29:59.000And so that's the frame that has been set by the leftists who have infiltrated education, entertainment, so on and so forth.
00:30:06.000And so you look up Franco, you immediately start seeing Nazi paraphernalia, that sort of stuff.
00:30:11.000And so it's immediately, he's immediately discredited before you even learn anything about him.
00:30:17.000So Charlie, think about that for what he just said for a second.
00:30:19.000If Washington had lost, let's say Washington loses, the revolution goes down, we would have been taught that George Washington led a military coup against his government, that he was a rebel, and he was put down, and that'd be the end of it.
00:30:40.000We had last month saving babies with preborn by providing ultrasounds.
00:30:44.000And we're doing again this year what we did last year.
00:30:47.000We're going to stand for life because remaining silent in the face of the most radically pro-death administration is not an option.
00:30:52.000As Sir Edmund Burke said, the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing, and we're not going to do nothing.
00:30:58.000Your gift to preborn will give a girl the truth about what's happening in her body so that she can make the right choice.
00:32:03.000I know very... Well, you know Orwell fought in the Spanish Civil War.
00:32:06.000Yeah, and then he became less of a communist afterwards.
00:32:08.000Because... He was like, these people only hate the rich, they don't care about the poor.
00:32:11.000So George Orwell gets... The way to read Orwell, once we actually learn Spanish Civil War, is... We all read Animal Farm, like, when we're young.
00:32:18.000Then maybe high school, we get to 1984.
00:32:57.000But then the last book, though, Homage to Catalonia, was actually the first book that he wrote which enabled the other books to be written.
00:33:05.000And this was a work of nonfiction because he's fighting over there with the, they called him the Republicans, but this is actually the side of the Socialist Communists, He gets shot in the neck, so Orwell almost dies in the Spanish Civil War, and he's up in the hospital, and when he's in the hospital he's reading newspapers.
00:33:23.000And he's reading the newspapers, but they're all from the communist side, reading about these battles and all the things that are going on, and he goes, wait a minute.
00:34:35.000But yeah, he hated the parties, he hated all politics.
00:34:38.000He just wanted his church, and he wanted the king on the throne, and he wanted Spain to be the way that it was, and he did what it took to get there at the end.
00:34:45.000He didn't care for anyone to be on the right or the left.
00:34:50.000And, but when he left, when he died, he, so he didn't want to have a, you know, hereditary dictatorship or anything like that, so he said, I'm gonna leave the decision of what happens next to the king, to King Alfonso.
00:35:05.000And it goes to King Alfonso, and this is King Alfonso II now because King Alfonso I has passed on, and King Alfonso II says, we're going to try the Republic thing again.
00:35:15.000And they go to the Republic thing again, Spain votes for the left, and they've continued to vote for the left ever since.
00:36:29.000They make very little products themselves.
00:36:31.000All their entrepreneurial capacity is gone.
00:36:33.000And everything they had was from when they had the empire, which was a Catholic monarchy, which by the way also is responsible for 1492, not just clearing out the Reconquista, so restoring their country from foreign occupation.
00:37:40.000So the reframe is, there's reframes in here.
00:37:42.000So the reframe on World War II is that, think about it, from Berlin to Beijing is a communist empire at the end of World War II, and then they get North Korea to boot afterwards.
00:37:54.000And so when you look at it, Britain loses the empire.
00:37:57.000The United States, yes, gained some economic dominance, but we don't really, we sort of inherit a lot of stuff from the British Empire, but it's through their destruction.
00:38:05.000But it's Stalin who gains all of Eastern Europe, completely sold out.
00:38:25.000Again, I love Churchill, but the greatest criticism is he made a big stink of, we have to fight the Nazis over Poland, and then he hands Poland to the Communists.
00:38:33.000I will say though, it is more Roosevelt.
00:38:37.000So when we get into the book, when we get into Tehran and Yalta, and actually Tehran is where a lot of these decisions were made, and Yalta was kind of like rubber stamping it.
00:38:45.000It's a lot more Roosevelt who's going along with this and he and he's because Roosevelt is he's like catatonic by the time of Yalta.
00:38:52.000His just mind is like a similar president that we might know and he's giving Stalin everything he wants.
00:39:00.000He's totally surrounded by Soviet spies and agents and Alger Hiss and all the rest of them doing these negotiations.
00:39:07.000And so he's going to Stalin, and whatever you want, whatever you want, whatever you want, I just want the United Nations.
00:39:12.000And Churchill is the one who's sort of saying, realizing that he's getting squeezed out, and he tries to hold this wholly separate meeting with Stalin up in Moscow, and that Stalin kind of glad hands him and yeses him to death, and then just throws it all into the wind.
00:39:27.000You guys, we've talked about, we don't have to talk about China, because we would spend another hour on that, but the Chinese Revolution is super interesting.
00:39:34.000But you're saying the contention of the modern application of the book is that there's been a slow-moving, top-down, bottom-up revolution institutionally for the last 50 years in this country?
00:39:47.000But that's categorically different than the Russian Revolution, which was like in the streets, storm.
00:39:52.000Has there been any other parallel of which the communists have been so patient, so deliberate, like they have in America?
00:39:59.000Because it seems like every other country is shock and awe, storm the streets, take over the government.
00:40:04.000The way we talk about this is, so warfare has changed over the years, and drawing from my background in Navy Intelligence, we know that we don't do three-generation warfare anymore, or second-generation warfare where it's like the Civil War and we're going and lining up and we're fighting in the streets.
00:40:19.000There's asymmetric warfare, fourth generation warfare, and then there's fifth generation warfare, which is a combination of asymmetric warfare, social media, and occasionally kinetic action.
00:40:28.000So in the same way that warfare has advanced, we would expect and do see that revolutionary tactics have also advanced.
00:40:35.000And this is why, and Joshua was speaking to it earlier, we kind of call this an irregular revolution is what we're in.
00:40:41.000This is our like big brain idea that we've came up with.
00:40:44.000So this is why like you can walk down the street and things seem kind of normal for the most part and you
00:40:58.000And then you start... Well, you don't see a kinetic violent revolution is what I'm saying.
00:41:03.000But what we argue is those aspects that you're just talking about, in addition to,
00:41:07.000look, we're right here in the Detroit Huntington Center.
00:41:12.000We've got massive pride flags outside.
00:41:15.000We've got massive illegal immigration just going in across the northern border right here, by the way.
00:41:21.000And we argue that those are all facets of this irregular revolution.
00:41:24.000So it's a low-level destabilization, a sort of gray zone warfare, if you will, the same way that the Chinese are using hybrid warfare against us.
00:41:32.000So they're slowly destabilizing, but rapidly and more increasingly, They are ramping it up because they know that this counter-revolution, that's your book, is coming up to potentially defeat them.
00:41:43.000Yeah, and we're here to talk about your book, but that's right.
00:41:46.000Again, they could be one, two partners.
00:41:47.000So I want to emphasize two more things.
00:42:05.000It looks different at every stage of society and every, we call it fractal level or every zoom level.
00:42:11.000So there's the individuals and there's families.
00:42:13.000And most of the people who are reading this book are soccer moms and Little League dads, dads who listen to your podcast and the occasional war room on Rumble and they're President Trump supporters and voters.
00:42:25.000They do not necessarily have institutional power.
00:42:37.000And so we lay out in Chapter 13, this is the plan of action, the sort of counter-revolutionary strategy and tactics.
00:42:43.000And the key reframe that we point out is that in a gray zone warfare context, Specifically, the revolutionary war that we're currently experiencing, there are these micro-revolutions that are intended to take out a specific person.
00:42:59.000Peter Navarro, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump himself, and other figures.
00:43:36.000Well, there's got to be something there.
00:43:38.000And so the average person, the average voter, even many Republicans, kind of shrug and say, well, okay, maybe there really is something there, unfortunately.
00:43:47.000And so What individuals can do is they can prepare themselves for a micro-revolution to come against them.
00:43:55.000Well, there's de-banking, there's de-platforming, and there's even destroying your reputation and your ability to take care of yourself and your family.
00:44:01.000So what is it that you can do to protect yourself, your family, your community?
00:44:08.000And then we go all the way up to the great men of history that we need, people with a father's heart like Washington, like Franco, even like Pinochet, another character who's hated.
00:44:46.000We can't do eye for an eye because that makes the whole world blind.
00:44:50.000Joshua, what is the iron law of reciprocity?
00:44:54.000So civilization was first created because of a system of law and order under the code of Hammurabi, the Babylonian emperor, which was an eye for an eye, effectively.
00:45:03.000And we reframe that famous line, oh, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
00:45:08.000So let's just be nice and point out their hypocrisy and say, well, what if they did worse to us?
00:45:18.000But in reality, this is what our species figured out 4,000 plus years ago.
00:45:24.000An eye-for-an-eye keeps would-be eye-gougers from poking at people's eyes because they fear what would happen to them.
00:45:30.000So I have to defend the eye-for-the-eye thing.
00:45:32.000It's one of the great moral advancements in the Torah, the Bible, which it says very clearly an eye-for-an-eye is the justice that is laid out in the book of Exodus.
00:45:44.000So you think about it, it's actually a statement of human equality.
00:45:48.000That a rich person's eye is not more important than your eye.
00:45:51.000Well, so, and prior to this, there was no conception of a rule of law.
00:45:57.000The idea that there should be a rule is what would, because prior to that, you just had
00:46:14.000In Leviticus 19, it says, in the administration of justice, you shall not favor a rich person or a poor person, but justice must be done for its own sake.
00:46:58.000In the United States, in the first Red Scare, in the very first Red Scare during the really Teddy Roosevelt era, remember Charlie, we had a president of the United States that was assassinated by an anarcho-socialist, which to my chagrin was a Polish immigrant.
00:47:12.000Leon Cholgash, who killed President McKinley up in Buffalo in 1901.
00:47:17.000This is how Teddy Roosevelt went from being vice president to our youngest president.
00:47:22.000And so during that time, communists were rounded up.
00:47:24.000If they were foreign, they were kicked out.
00:47:26.000This is where you get the communists, the alien sedition acts.
00:47:31.000And so he was rounded up, they were rounded up and kicked out.
00:47:34.000Emma Goldman is rounded up and kicked out.
00:47:35.000So we take these Foreigners who are destabilizing our lands even some of them who had legal permission to be here But we decided because of what they were doing that we were going to get rid of them We did and we did actually produce we actually defeated communism during that first Red Scare
00:47:52.000Through the power, by the way, of using institutions and using the legal means that are necessary to not respond with violence.
00:48:46.000We live in a gluttonous society, and so all of these vices are specifically given.
00:48:51.000We would never have a month dedicated to pride.
00:48:53.000By the way, we would never do such a thing.
00:48:54.000We even have a month dedicated to one of the deadly sins, the first of the seven deadly sins.
00:49:01.000So, Joshua, in closing, do you believe that they're channeling the demonic?
00:49:06.000That seems to be the case, because what Well, we were talking about this last night, Jack and I, how there is a genre of film, horror, which is explicitly Catholic.
00:49:19.000And the exorcism and being possessed by dark and evil spirits.
00:49:24.000Yeah, he held up his rosary. Dark and evil spirits.
00:49:27.000And so that word horror, it's similar in the experience to terror.
00:49:36.000And terror is the most powerful weapon that on humans use.
00:49:43.000By the time you feel terror, it's too late.
00:49:45.000And we talked about how it's one of the most horrific nightmares that a person can experience is as a feeling of terror.
00:49:52.000Charlie, during the Haitian Revolution, which was, by the way, a white genocide, before the genocide was conducted, one of the very first things that the revolutionaries, these freed slaves, they'd already been freed by the French, one of the very first things they did was commit animal sacrifice, drink the blood of goats, walk around in a circle in Haiti chanting incantations to the occult to come out of West Africa, And then they rose up after getting drunk on the blood of these freshly killed animals, and rise up and start slaughtering every white child, every woman is raped, every child is killed, every man is killed, their heads are chopped off.
00:50:32.000It becomes a complete blood orgy in the streets of Haiti, completely kicked off by occult rituals.
00:50:39.000Which, by the way, as we know, continue to this day.