The Charlie Kirk Show - The 'Seditious Six' + AI Amnesty

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00:01:12.000 All right, so Blake, take us up to speed.

00:01:15.000 There's been a lot since yesterday's show about this back and forth between Secretary of War Pete Hegseth and Senator Mark Kelly.

00:01:22.000 So let's just start from the baseline.

00:01:25.000 Most of you have seen this, but in case you haven't, this is the video that kicked it all off that six Democrats put out.

00:01:32.000 They released on social media a few days ago.

00:01:35.000 Let's just put it up.

00:01:35.000 164.

00:01:37.000 I'm Senator Alyssa Slotkin.

00:01:39.000 Senator Mark Kelly.

00:01:40.000 Representative Chris DeLuzio.

00:01:42.000 Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander.

00:01:43.000 Representative Chrissy Houlihan.

00:01:45.000 Congressman Jason Crowe.

00:01:46.000 Our laws are clear.

00:01:48.000 You can refuse illegal orders.

00:01:50.000 You can refuse illegal orders.

00:01:52.000 You must refuse illegal orders.

00:01:56.000 And so, and it went on a bit like that.

00:01:59.000 You must refuse illegal orders.

00:02:01.000 Don't give up the ship.

00:02:02.000 Don't give up the ship.

00:02:04.000 So as many people pointed out, that's definitely not implying anything that's good.

00:02:11.000 The best events you could make is they're worried Trump might make an illegal order, and they're saying people should defy it.

00:02:16.000 But there's a very strong vibe that they are soliciting, encouraging some element of defiance of the administration's war.

00:02:27.000 But Slotkin has even gone on the record saying, no, I'm not aware of any illegal orders.

00:02:32.000 So it's basically.

00:02:33.000 Well, they have to say that, basically.

00:02:35.000 Otherwise, they are actively telling them to defy orders right now.

00:02:40.000 But anyway, Mark Kelly, he is a retired fighter pilot, but he still has, I can't remember his exact role with the military, but he has the ability to be recalled.

00:02:49.000 So essentially, he is still subject to military discipline in certain ways, or so the War Department says.

00:02:55.000 And so what we had is first, the Department of War put out an official statement.

00:02:59.000 Let's put up 155.

00:03:01.000 The Department of War has received serious allegations of misconduct against Captain Mark Kelly, U.S. Navy, retired, in accordance with the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

00:03:09.000 And there's a whole long thing that they may consider action in.

00:03:14.000 And then Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, comes out and he has his own tweet, 156.

00:03:20.000 The despicable video urging Department of War troops to refuse illegal orders may seem harmless to civilians, but it carries a different weight inside the military.

00:03:31.000 This was a politically motivated influence operation that never named a specific legal order.

00:03:35.000 It created ambiguity rather than clarity.

00:03:37.000 It used carefully scripted, legal-sounding language, and it subtly reframed military obedience around partisan distrust instead of established legal doctrines.

00:03:48.000 In the military, vague rhetoric and ambiguity undermine trust, create hesitation in the chain of command, and erode cohesion.

00:03:55.000 The military has clear procedures for handling unlawful orders.

00:03:59.000 It does not need political actors injecting doubt.

00:04:03.000 And so then he goes on in 158, he goes on to threaten an actual court-martial against him.

00:04:11.000 Is that a video or a photo?

00:04:14.000 Looks like it's a video.

00:04:15.000 Let's do 158.

00:04:16.000 Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is threatening to court-martial Democratic Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona.

00:04:23.000 The Pentagon says they've received allegations of misconduct against the retired Navy captain.

00:04:28.000 This appears to all stem from that video that Senator Kelly made with other Democratic lawmakers urging service members to remember that they have a duty to disobey illegal orders.

00:04:38.000 And the Department of Defense, which now calls itself the Department of War, they posted a statement on X saying that they have received serious allegations of misconduct against Captain Mark Kelly.

00:04:47.000 He was a captain when he retired from the U.S. Navy.

00:04:49.000 And they said, importantly, that a thorough review of these allegations has been initiated to determine further actions, which could include recall to active duty for court-martial proceedings or administrative measures.

00:05:01.000 So definitely email us what you think about this, freedom at charliekirk.com, especially because this is Arizona's senator.

00:05:10.000 Because I guess, where do you think you're going to go from here?

00:05:12.000 Do you think they'll go for it, Andrew?

00:05:14.000 Well, so I think they've given themselves an out here or administrative measures, right?

00:05:18.000 And so I think what's going to happen is they're going to basically try and shame him into some way, shape, or form.

00:05:26.000 And we talked about this actually before this.

00:05:29.000 I mean, I don't know, but I will tell you. 1.00

00:05:30.000 You can shame Letitia James.

00:05:32.000 And by the way, for those who are curious, the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, if you're wondering why it only applies to Mark Kelly, which is a question I had, it governs conduct for active duty members, reservists, and certain retirees.

00:05:46.000 It does not apply to fully separated veterans, those who left without retiring after 20 plus years.

00:05:52.000 So presumably he put in his 20 plus years, retired in a full military retirement style, and therefore he's still subject.

00:05:58.000 If you take the 20-year-plus retirement from the military, apparently you're still subject to the UCMJ.

00:06:05.000 But yeah, I mean, I think he's saying that they're still subject to certain administrative measures.

00:06:10.000 I am, listen, I find this to be egregious what they did.

00:06:13.000 You and I actually immediately our immediate reaction was egregious.

00:06:18.000 And I would also just say that there is a risk because I've been disgusted how all of them have gone on social media and been, I'm a victim, I'm a victim.

00:06:28.000 I can't believe President Trump would say this about me and that he's, you know, he wants me to be executed.

00:06:34.000 No, he was rightfully offended.

00:06:36.000 He was rightfully, I would say, upset, angered, PO'd, you might say, which is the word I was going for.

00:06:45.000 I stopped myself.

00:06:46.000 But he was rightfully all of these things.

00:06:48.000 He put on social media, he truthed a Washington Examiner article, and it said that, yeah, listen, this is seditious behavior.

00:06:55.000 If you were found guilty of seditious behavior, then guess what?

00:06:58.000 One of the potential punishments is, you know, not so good things, as Charlie would say.

00:07:04.000 And so listen, I don't think anybody is thinking that this is going here, but I do think that there should be real consequences for this, save going so far as to make him an actual victim.

00:07:14.000 That's what we have to warn for.

00:07:15.000 And that's what we talked about before here.

00:07:17.000 If you actually make him a sympathetic figure, then what they did was egregious.

00:07:22.000 I don't think it was egregious enough that you could bring Mark Kelly into a court-martial docket, have him in his uniform, sitting up rigid straight, giving speeches how I only ever cared about serving my country, looking the part, all cinematic.

00:07:39.000 And you try to convict him of that.

00:07:40.000 Maybe you do.

00:07:42.000 I feel the only reason to do that is if you are dead certain you have good oppo on Mark Kelly and you want him to be JD Vance's 2028 opponent.

00:07:50.000 Well, there is good opposite.

00:07:50.000 Right.

00:07:51.000 That would very quickly make him a front.

00:07:53.000 I mean, I don't want to get into it too much, but I've just heard we are in Arizona after all.

00:07:57.000 I heard there's quite a bit of opo on Mark Kelly.

00:07:59.000 But listen, I'll stop there.

00:08:01.000 This is what really upsets me.

00:08:04.000 And this is that Elise Slotkin, who was CIA, by the way.

00:08:08.000 What's the CIA really good at, Blake?

00:08:10.000 Oh, I don't know, destabilizing foreign governments.

00:08:13.000 I feel like they're pretty bad at it.

00:08:14.000 Well, they might be bad at it, but listen, they think they're pretty good.

00:08:18.000 So here's here.

00:08:18.000 This is what frustrates me.

00:08:20.000 And you said that they have to say this, but look at 159.

00:08:22.000 Let's go ahead and play this cut.

00:08:24.000 This is from the weekend.

00:08:25.000 Alyssa Slotkin admitting that Democrats lied about President Trump issuing illegal orders to the military.

00:08:31.000 159.

00:08:33.000 Let's talk right now.

00:08:34.000 Do you believe President Trump has issued any illegal orders?

00:08:39.000 To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal, but certainly there are some legal gymnastics that are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related to Venezuela.

00:08:50.000 Oh, so there it is.

00:08:53.000 He hasn't done anything illegal.

00:08:54.000 We just out of the blue decided to throw up a flare.

00:08:57.000 We're worried he might.

00:08:58.000 We're worried you might.

00:09:00.000 We're worried that there might be another pandemic.

00:09:03.000 We're worried that there might be an economic collapse.

00:09:05.000 We're worried about a lot of things.

00:09:06.000 That doesn't mean you go out and make a video.

00:09:09.000 I mean, this is what I think has a lot of people's hair on the back of their necks up.

00:09:15.000 And that is the fact that out of the blue, these people just did this video and they are hinting at something.

00:09:22.000 There's something very fishy, very underhanded going on here.

00:09:27.000 You know, there is a lot of people that are suggesting that this is seeding the ground for something terrible in the future or for some other sort of color revolution-esque action.

00:09:36.000 And I think that's why we're all like kind of, it got our attention because something isn't right here.

00:09:41.000 Something is very not very much not right.

00:09:43.000 And I understand the reaction that they're getting.

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00:10:57.000 All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:10:59.000 We've got a couple emails here, Blake.

00:11:00.000 We got a bunch of good emails in that breakup.

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00:11:05.000 First, I want to shout out Nancy, who just messaged us to say that she was just baptized at the age of 63, and she gives Charlie credit for that decision.

00:11:13.000 Thank you very much.

00:11:14.000 God bless you, Nancy.

00:11:15.000 Wanted to shout that out.

00:11:17.000 We got an email from one of our biggest fans, Steve at American Tactics AZ.

00:11:22.000 He sends us a Bible verse every day along with a lot of responses.

00:11:26.000 And he says, Senator Mark Kelly accused President Trump of calling for Kelly's execution.

00:11:32.000 I claim balderdash on that accusation as a lifelong resident of Arizona. 0.86

00:11:37.000 This pathetic excuse of an elected official who is a transplant has placed an enormous stain on the great state of Arizona. 1.00

00:11:45.000 We need to bring Arizona back to full-on red. 0.97

00:11:48.000 Amen, Steve.

00:11:49.000 We're working on that.

00:11:50.000 Obviously, we're going to keep working.

00:11:52.000 Yeah, I mean, he's, you know, what's funny about him is I look at Mark Kelly.

00:11:56.000 You know, here he is invoking the name of Charlie, you know, because President Trump said, you know, he's doing seditious things.

00:12:02.000 So obviously one of the potential penalties is the death penalty.

00:12:06.000 Okay, that's, that's, I get it.

00:12:08.000 That's inflammatory.

00:12:08.000 That's, that's probably the max.

00:12:10.000 It's probably not going to happen.

00:12:11.000 Now, Grace sent us a name.

00:12:13.000 But hold on.

00:12:13.000 For him to bring up Charlie's name is, I just, I find it really despicable, actually.

00:12:19.000 And so, anyways, go ahead, Grace.

00:12:21.000 Well, Grace says, come on, guys.

00:12:23.000 Charlie would demand we arrest and charge constitutional justice, yes to death penalty.

00:12:29.000 I am calling for the military. 0.98

00:12:32.000 Here's Phyllis. 1.00

00:12:32.000 Of course, they should all be convicted of sedition. 1.00

00:12:35.000 They are all guilty of trying to undermine the president of the United States.

00:12:38.000 Nothing will happen, though.

00:12:39.000 They are all getting away with everything.

00:12:40.000 Well, I think this is, I think, you know, I think this is why Secretary Hegseth is sounding the tone that he's sounding.

00:12:49.000 It's because I think there is a genuine fundamental just frustration within the base that these people keep getting away with it, right?

00:12:56.000 We're going to have Mike Davis on in the second half of this hour.

00:12:58.000 We're going to be talking about Letitia James, Comey.

00:13:01.000 It looks like the DOJ is going to be appealing that court case that has been thrown out because of a technicality, basically, on the legality of Lindsey Halligan's appointment as a first step.

00:13:14.000 So they're going to be appealing that.

00:13:16.000 But in general, there is a feeling of frustration that some of these people, these wrongdoers, these people that have, I think, done illegal things and it's been proven and they keep getting away with it.

00:13:27.000 This is a video, a social media video that was designed to be provocative and cute.

00:13:32.000 But the problem is the underlying message here, Blake, was that they were undermining and sowing doubt.

00:13:37.000 And by the way, that's we.

00:13:39.000 Sedition is a dicey word to use.

00:13:42.000 As I like to point out to Charlie, treason is defined in the Constitution.

00:13:46.000 It's defined narrowly as, you know, it has to be levying war against the United States or giving aid and comfort, and you need at least two witnesses.

00:13:53.000 That's all because our founders knew English history.

00:13:56.000 And in English history, treason and sedition, you know, related laws were used a lot for domestic political reasons against just domestic foes.

00:14:06.000 And they were very worried about that.

00:14:07.000 And we saw that ourselves.

00:14:09.000 We saw that with January 6th, where they were hunting around to bring a sedition case against President Trump, against his supporters.

00:14:16.000 In the end, they settled for mostly just indicting hundreds and hundreds of his followers and convicting and sending them to prison.

00:14:23.000 And we were very angry at that.

00:14:25.000 We were very angry at that overreach.

00:14:26.000 And quite plausibly, that overreach is why Trump is president again.

00:14:31.000 It's important not to overreach.

00:14:32.000 There's both damage you can do to the country by really aggressively pursuing this and also damage you can do to yourself politically.

00:14:40.000 And you always have to take account for that.

00:14:41.000 Well, and here's what I will say: you know, when you talk about overreach, there's a clip here from Mark Kelly.

00:14:47.000 Listen, I find Mark Kelly to be pretty despicable, actually.

00:14:53.000 I feel like I see right through Mark Kelly.

00:14:55.000 I don't see the strength that other people see or this stand-up serviceman that served his country.

00:15:02.000 And like I said, there is an apophile on Mark Kelly in the state.

00:15:05.000 But here's what's interesting.

00:15:06.000 I do agree with you that I'm not sure how far we want to take this fight from a political standpoint.

00:15:12.000 Listen, you in the base, you in the audience, you get what he was trying to do.

00:15:15.000 He's undermining the president of the United States, sowing doubt, sowing confusion.

00:15:19.000 But he has this ace in the hole, and you got to acknowledge it.

00:15:22.000 When you're going to fight a battle, you've got to understand what you have in your favor, what is working against you.

00:15:27.000 Play 161.

00:15:30.000 Donald Trump called for my execution.

00:15:33.000 I know a little bit about political violence.

00:15:36.000 My wife, Gabby, was nearly assassinated.

00:15:39.000 She was shot in the head because of political violence.

00:15:42.000 She nearly died.

00:15:43.000 These are the kind of threats that this president makes.

00:15:47.000 Not just to me, some of my colleagues as well.

00:15:50.000 Just this week, he did this.

00:15:52.000 Threatened our lives, said we should be hanged because of something we said.

00:15:59.000 So he's got this Trump card, if you will.

00:16:02.000 And it is what happened to his wife is egregious, terrible.

00:16:07.000 I mean, especially in the wake of what happened to Charlie, I get it.

00:16:09.000 So you just have to be careful about the battle you're going to fight.

00:16:12.000 Now, that's why I say, listen, he's going to get investigated.

00:16:14.000 The White House is saying that they fully support it.

00:16:17.000 You cannot have a functioning military when you have elected leaders, especially of the profile, Mark Kelly and Slotkin, saying, you know, don't trust the Commander-in-Chief, right?

00:16:27.000 That is sowing discord within the ranks.

00:16:29.000 The White House is supporting this investigation.

00:16:32.000 I think we're going to find ourselves in an administrative solution.

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00:17:41.000 Mike Davis from the Article 3 Project is joining us now.

00:17:45.000 Mike, welcome to the show.

00:17:48.000 I got to just say, we're talking about the seditious six, so let's start there. 0.97

00:17:53.000 Give us your take on it.

00:17:54.000 Are you a maximalist?

00:17:55.000 Do you want to go full court-martial proceedings after Mark Kelly?

00:17:59.000 Are you advising a more reserved?

00:18:02.000 Are you a squish like me?

00:18:04.000 Blake is saying, let's not make him a victim.

00:18:06.000 Let's not make him a future presidential candidate here, if that's possible.

00:18:11.000 What Senator Mark Kelly is doing here by wink, wink, nod, nod to 18-year-old military enlistees to decide what orders of the president of the United States, the commander-in-chief, are lawful versus unlawful, and then to ignore what these 18-year-old enlistees think are an unlawful orders of the president of the United States.

00:18:34.000 You cannot get more dangerous than this.

00:18:37.000 That is interfering with the chain of commands.

00:18:40.000 Mark Kelly is trying to portray himself as some noble hero.

00:18:45.000 He's trying to portray himself as some victim when he got called out on it.

00:18:48.000 He should absolutely get court-martialed and held accountable for this.

00:18:52.000 And he can raise his congressional speech or debate clause arguments for his defense, whatever he needs to do.

00:19:00.000 But they need to make an example out of this guy.

00:19:03.000 There's no chance this guy's going to be the president of the United States. 0.98

00:19:06.000 He's a clown, and he's really hurt his credibility by doing this far outside of the political circles. 0.97

00:19:16.000 He's hitting real Americans in real America, the non-political people who think it's appalling that you have members of Congress calling on the military, calling on intel agencies to ignore the president of the United States. 0.98

00:19:29.000 You know, I tend to fall on your end of this, Mike.

00:19:33.000 I think that, you know, I think this was a self-owned by them.

00:19:36.000 I think they got way out over their skis.

00:19:39.000 This was unsolicited, by the way.

00:19:40.000 This came from out of nowhere.

00:19:42.000 I guess you could make the argument that the boat attacks.

00:19:46.000 I mean, there's always one thing or another they could fixate on.

00:19:49.000 It just stands out to me.

00:19:50.000 What a dangerous escalation is.

00:19:53.000 Even though I'm the squish on how hard you prosecute it, we should not lowball how bad it was that they did this, how dangerous it is, and how they are egging on a destructive thing.

00:20:03.000 And one reason I am wary of prosecuting him is I'm thinking if they actually induce members of the military to try doing this, to try defying the president, you need to make sure you are in the strongest political position possible to defend against what would basically be a coup d'état.

00:20:19.000 I know the Fox News.

00:20:20.000 I wrote a Fox News piece on this, Andrew, and I point this out.

00:20:25.000 If the Supreme Court of the United States, the Trump administration is going to the Supreme Court of the United States on the emergency docket, and they are getting the smartest lawyers and judges at the lower court level reversed by the Supreme Court with like a 91 or 92 percent reversal rate.

00:20:42.000 If these very smart Harvard lawyers and judges at the district or the appellate court level are getting the law wrong and the Supreme Court has to fix this 92 percent of the time, how the hell do we expect 18-year-old military enlistees to figure out what the law is?

00:20:59.000 Such a good point, Mike.

00:21:00.000 I mean, we have to, you have, if you are in the military, you have to follow the president of the United States on every order.

00:21:09.000 And I can think of a time, for example, during Vietnam where there was a military officer who ordered the mass murder of the Vietnamese, burned down the villages.

00:21:20.000 That would be at the military commander level, where you would say, I can't do this because this is clearly a war crime. 0.91

00:21:28.000 This is, you're, you're killing, you're raping and killing children, women, children. 0.99

00:21:32.000 You can't do this. 1.00

00:21:33.000 That's that's very clear. 0.88

00:21:34.000 When you're dealing with the president of the United States, you better follow every order of the president of the United States unless you are goddamn sure it is wrong.

00:21:44.000 For example, when President Trump ordered the strike on the Iranian nuclear facility, are you going to have some military officer or military enlistee saying, Sorry, I can't do this strike.

00:21:57.000 I'm going to expose this ongoing military operation because I don't think President Trump has the lawful authority to take out this Iranian nuclear facility.

00:22:07.000 This is a very dangerous game these politicians are playing.

00:22:11.000 And Mark Kelly not only should be ashamed of he's capable of shame, he should be held accountable for this.

00:22:18.000 Well, you know what this reminds me of, Mike, as well and Blake?

00:22:22.000 It kind of reminds me of what Vinman did to Trump, right?

00:22:27.000 It was basically this inside-out, oh, we got this phone call, and guess what?

00:22:33.000 He was abusing his power and withholding military aid for political gain, right?

00:22:37.000 And then all of a sudden, you know, Trump's in the throes of all this chaos.

00:22:41.000 It undermines the entire term in so many ways.

00:22:47.000 It's such a slippery slope because if you can start alleging that the president has done something illegal when he is given broad authority to command the armed forces, you could basically nitpick anything and start pulling away all authority from the executive branch to command the military.

00:23:04.000 And then you do have the third worlding of the American military, where they would lead a military junta, where it would be a coup d'état.

00:23:12.000 Let me ask you this.

00:23:13.000 These Democrats who pretend like they care about President Trump using the military, which what they think is unlawfully, President Obama ordered an extrajudicial drone strike on two American, on several American citizens, including a minor.

00:23:29.000 I fully supported that drone strike of Obama, but there is doubt whether that was legal or not.

00:23:35.000 You have David Barron, who's now a judge on the First Circuit Court of Appeals, who was running the Office of Legal Counsel in the Justice Department at the time.

00:23:45.000 OLC is the one that decides whether executive branch actions are lawful or unlawful within the executive branch.

00:23:52.000 Of course, judges ultimately decide, but it was Judge David Barron who told President Obama that he had the lawful authority to order a drone strike on American citizens, including a minor extrajudicial killings.

00:24:08.000 Was that legal?

00:24:09.000 Was that illegal?

00:24:11.000 That's up for debate, but you certainly don't want these drone officers, these drone operators in the military to say, you know, I just can't do this.

00:24:21.000 I don't think that President Obama was being lawful here, so I can't do this.

00:24:25.000 Those people would be court-martialed.

00:24:27.000 They would be thrown in the brig.

00:24:29.000 And that's exactly what should happen to Senator Mark Kelly for pushing this very dangerous game that they're playing because they don't like Trump.

00:24:38.000 Into the brig.

00:24:40.000 Well, I mean, that would be hard to run for president if he's in the brig.

00:24:42.000 Yeah, I mean, we were talking about if Trump would have to run.

00:24:45.000 I know.

00:24:46.000 I remember that.

00:24:47.000 Listen, Mike, I tend to agree.

00:24:49.000 I think there needs to be pretty stern consequences here.

00:24:51.000 So I'm very sympathetic to your argument.

00:24:53.000 I do think that, you know, the punishment has to fit the crime here.

00:24:57.000 And I think it's a pretty egregious crime.

00:24:59.000 I'm open-minded to an administrative solution here.

00:25:02.000 I don't want to create a victim out of this guy.

00:25:04.000 But, you know, at the same time, I just like I am in this moment having flashbacks to Vinman.

00:25:11.000 I'm literally having flashbacks because this is a slippery slope.

00:25:14.000 This is the third worlding of the U.S. military. 0.68

00:25:16.000 I want to change our attention here to the news that broke yesterday that James Comey and Letitia James, that a judge had thrown out the case basically based on procedural issues with Lindsey Halligan.

00:25:27.000 So saying that she was not lawfully appointed to her position.

00:25:31.000 Now, I'll play this clip.

00:25:33.000 This is A.G. Pambondi saying, you know, we're going to appeal this right away, 190.

00:25:38.000 Sure, we'll be taking all available legal action, including an immediate appeal to hold Letitia James and James Comey accountable for their unlawful conduct.

00:25:49.000 I'm going to keep going on this.

00:25:51.000 I'm not, you know, I'm not, I'm not worried about someone who has been charged with a very serious crime.

00:25:58.000 His alleged actions were a betrayal of public trust.

00:26:03.000 And James Comey's already taken a victory lap.

00:26:06.000 Maybe he should pump the brakes, as Caroline Levitt says, but 195.

00:26:10.000 This is James Comey.

00:26:12.000 The message has to be sent that the president of the United States cannot use the Department of Justice to target his political enemies.

00:26:21.000 I don't care what your politics are.

00:26:23.000 You have to see that as fundamentally un-American and a threat to the rule of law that keeps all of us free.

00:26:29.000 I know that Donald Trump will probably come after me again, and my attitude is going to be the same.

00:26:34.000 I'm innocent.

00:26:36.000 I am not afraid.

00:26:37.000 And I believe in an independent federal judiciary.

00:26:41.000 The gift from our founders that protects us from a would-be tyrant.

00:26:46.000 A would-be tyrant.

00:26:48.000 Oh, Mike.

00:26:49.000 I hardly see you shaking your head.

00:26:50.000 They can't stop acting like they're in a movie.

00:26:53.000 It's this virtue signaling holier than thou.

00:26:56.000 Mike Davis.

00:26:57.000 It's worse.

00:26:58.000 James Comey got charged with lying to Congress and obstruction of a congressional investigation for the very thing he's complaining about.

00:27:08.000 He politicized and weaponized intel agencies and law enforcement with the Russian collusion hoax with Crossfire Hurricane to take out President Trump, his political enemy.

00:27:20.000 He got caught lying about it.

00:27:23.000 The prior interim U.S. attorney was a giant wimp and didn't bring charges. 0.94

00:27:28.000 Same with Letitia James with her mortgage fraud.

00:27:31.000 And so Lindsey Halligan went in there, found the evidence, took it to a grand jury, a Democrat-controlled grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, outside of Washington, D.C.

00:27:43.000 And even this Democrat grand jury found probable cause on both James Comey for lying to Congress and an obstruction of a congressional investigation and against Big Tish James, the New York Attorney General, who lied about having a second home in Virginia to get a better mortgage rate when it was an investment property.

00:28:03.000 The grand jury returned these indictments.

00:28:05.000 Then you had this Democrat Obama chief judge of the Fourth Circuit pick a Clinton judge in South Carolina to come in and to dismiss these indictments.

00:28:17.000 And they dismissed these indictments on the incorrect legal grounds.

00:28:22.000 They essentially argue that the courts, after 120 days, the courts, instead of the president of the United States or his attorney general, get to decide who the chief law enforcement officer is, the U.S. Attorney in these districts.

00:28:36.000 That is an incorrect reading of the statute.

00:28:39.000 It's a dangerous reading of the statute because you don't have accountability.

00:28:43.000 You don't have prosecutors who are accountable to the American people through their duly elected president of the United States.

00:28:51.000 You have prosecutors who are picked by Democrat judges and Democrat hellholes like the D.C. suburbs or New Jersey to protect their political allies and go after their political friends.

00:29:04.000 The Supreme Court will fix this.

00:29:06.000 And in the meantime, the Attorney General has many different tools to bring accountability for both Big Tish and James Comey, including indictments in the Southern District of Florida.

00:29:21.000 Right now, in war-torn Ukraine, elderly Jews like Maria face a brutal winter and a constant search for food.

00:29:28.000 Maria is 85 years old and lives alone.

00:29:30.000 She's nearly blind and suffers from a broken hip.

00:29:32.000 Maria is a Holocaust survivor.

00:29:34.000 Her father and brother were murdered by the Nazis.

00:29:37.000 Maria still lives in her childhood home.

00:29:39.000 There's no indoor plumbing, no heat, and it's bitterly cold.

00:29:43.000 Today, like yesterday, Maria barely has enough food to survive.

00:29:46.000 Her hunger is unbearable.

00:29:48.000 She prays for warmth, food, and someone to help her.

00:29:51.000 This winter, as the snow falls and the nights grow longer, her hope fades with each passing day.

00:29:56.000 She feels forgotten and needs our help.

00:29:58.000 That's why I'm so grateful for the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

00:30:02.000 For over 40 years, the fellowship and their supporters have delivered boxes stuffed with nutritious food, cooking supplies, and other essentials to suffering and impoverished people like Maria.

00:30:12.000 To learn more about the great work of IFCJ, visit urgentifcj.org.

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00:30:23.000 Mike Davis, Article 3 Project, tell us your coordinates.

00:30:26.000 How do people follow you and track you and support the work you're doing?

00:30:29.000 Article3project.org, article number3project.org.

00:30:32.000 Follow us on social media.

00:30:34.000 Donate what you can afford, but take action.

00:30:36.000 That's the most powerful thing your audience can do is action, action, action.

00:30:40.000 And thank you guys.

00:30:42.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:30:42.000 We're going to be talking one of your initiatives on AI.

00:30:45.000 I have a lot of questions, Mike.

00:30:47.000 Article 3 Project, Mike Davis, there is a back and forth going on.

00:30:51.000 I mean, it first flared up during the One Big Beautiful Bill about this moratorium on states putting forth any regulation.

00:31:00.000 So at that time, we brought in Stephen Miller.

00:31:02.000 Stephen and Charlie had a big conversation about it.

00:31:05.000 Ended up going viral.

00:31:06.000 And it was about this idea of can states like California or New York issue regulations when it comes to AI.

00:31:15.000 And basically was saying, we don't want them to do that.

00:31:17.000 We don't want the woke states, the Democrat-led states, to be leading the charge on this.

00:31:21.000 You disagree with this position.

00:31:23.000 Now lawmakers are once again trying to stuff it into the NDAA, I believe.

00:31:27.000 So, Mike, give us your perspective on it.

00:31:30.000 I'm all ears.

00:31:31.000 No, I don't necessarily disagree with Stephen Miller on the need for a federal standard for AI.

00:31:37.000 I guess it's the tech companies are the only companies in America who think they need federal preemption, but I'm not necessarily opposed to federal preemption.

00:31:47.000 They're not asking for federal preemption with federal rules of the road.

00:31:50.000 They're asking for AI amnesty like they did with Section 230 back in 1996, where these small tech platforms had Section 230 amnesty and then antitrust amnesty.

00:32:03.000 And then we got Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple that crush competition, shutter small businesses, and cancel conservatives and others with whom we disagree.

00:32:13.000 We can't repeat the mistakes of Section 230 with AI.

00:32:17.000 And so I understand that we need to be competitive across the world and compete with China and compete with our other adversaries, but we also need federal rules of the road if we're going to have federal preemption so state and local governments cannot touch AI.

00:32:33.000 For example, I call this the four C's.

00:32:36.000 Are we going to have protections for children from online abuse?

00:32:43.000 Are we going to have protections for conservatives so we don't get canceled by these AI platforms?

00:32:51.000 Are we going to have protections for communities so we make sure that we don't, for example, jack up the water and electricity prices in these small communities so the working class have to foot the bill for these AI data centers that consume all this water and electricity?

00:33:10.000 Are we going to have zoning protections in communities so we don't put AI data centers in the middle of neighborhoods?

00:33:18.000 These big tech oligarchs, the AI bros, say no, that they should have full amnesty from state and local and then no federal rules of the road so they can just do whatever the hell they want like they did on Section 230.

00:33:33.000 And my response to that is, hell no.

00:33:34.000 Why would we let Meta, for example, and Google, for example, who hate us as conservatives, run us over and make trillions of dollars on the backs of conservatives, children, content creators, and communities?

00:33:51.000 If you're not going to protect the four Cs, they don't have 60 votes to get this done.

00:33:56.000 They thought they had 60 votes four months ago at the end of June at the beginning of July.

00:34:02.000 They thought this thing was going to pass and must pass legislation.

00:34:05.000 And then the Article 3 project kicked into gear and it went down 99 to 1, including the lead sponsor, Ted Cruz, voting against his own bill.

00:34:14.000 I'll tell the AI bros the same thing. 0.99

00:34:16.000 If you try to do this again, we'll kick your butts again. 0.99

00:34:19.000 And if you're going to get 60 votes, you're going to protect the four Cs. 0.99

00:34:24.000 Yeah, this is a Trump Truth Social 169.

00:34:28.000 He says, you know, investment in AI is helping to make the U.S. economy the hottest in the world.

00:34:35.000 This is image 169.

00:34:36.000 Thanks, guys.

00:34:37.000 But overregulation by the states is threatening to undermine this growth.

00:34:40.000 Some states are even trying to embed DEI ideology into AI models, producing woke AI.

00:34:46.000 Remember, Black George Washington? 0.99

00:34:48.000 We must have one federal standard instead of a patchwork of 50 state regulatory regimes.

00:34:53.000 So I, and actually, by the way, in the final line there, Mike, he says we can do this in a way that protects children and prevents censorship.

00:35:00.000 So is the middle ground here spearheading a federal effort to make sure that we have AI, a regulatory regime at the federal level so we don't have this patchwork?

00:35:10.000 It sounds like you're open-minded to that.

00:35:12.000 Yeah, and I'm working with the president and the vice president and their teams on that right now.

00:35:18.000 But they're going to protect children, conservatives, communities, and creators, or they're not going to get this done.

00:35:25.000 It's very easy to go on conservative media and get people to light up their two home state senators and their U.S. House rep, and then all of a sudden this AI amnesty that they think they're going to jam through at 4 o'clock in the morning goes down 99 to 1. 0.99

00:35:41.000 So if they want to play this game again, I'll kick their asses again. 0.99

00:35:44.000 I'm convinced. 1.00

00:35:45.000 I'm convinced, Mike.

00:35:46.000 I think you're right.

00:35:47.000 I think there's some money involved in some of this push to keep getting this bill that went down in flames back into the NDAA.

00:35:53.000 I think you're right.

00:35:54.000 I think we need to scrap it.

00:35:55.000 I think we need to get it in the federal level.

00:35:59.000 I think that's the key here.

00:36:00.000 I think, because we can't.

00:36:01.000 As he says, you know, if it's content creators, get your pound of flesh out of it.

00:36:05.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:36:05.000 Mike Davis, Article 3 Project.

00:36:07.000 Thank you, man.

00:36:08.000 We appreciate you.

00:36:09.000 Thank you, guys.

00:36:10.000 We'll see you soon.

00:36:15.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 25, 2025

The 'Seditious Six' + AI Amnesty

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