Kamala Harris is the 2020 Democratic presidential nominee. She's running against Donald Trump in a three-on-one debate, and she's got the better of him in a debate that was supposed to be a debate about women's issues, but ended up being about abortion, abortion rights, and the economy. We're here to talk about it, and we'll be back in the chair Thursday with a David Plouffe episode of The Charlie Kirk Show! Tweet me if you have any thoughts or reactions to this episode, and I'll be sure to tweet them in the comments section below! Timestamps: 3:00 - What's next for Kamala Harris? 11:15 - Who will win the Democratic primary 16:30 - Is she going to be the next president of the United States or is she running for President in 2020 17:00 Can she beat Donald Trump? ) 18:20 - Is it possible that she's running for president in 2020 or is running for a second term? ? 19:30 Is she a threat to Donald Trump's 2020 campaign? Or is she a serious contender for the White House contender? 21:00 | What does she have in common with Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton 22:30 | Is she better than Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton? 24:00 -- Who's better than Meir Meir Raad? 25:30 -- Is she's the real threat? 26:15 -- Who are you going to win the 2020 election? 27: Is she really better than Trump or Is she the threat to Trump or is it? 29:00? 31:00-- Is she? 32:00 Is she running against Trump or Trump the real chance of winning the 2020 race? 35:00 Does she really have a chance to win in 2020? 36:00 Are we better than the other woman? 37:00 Do you think she's a threat or not? or does she deserve the chance to run for president? 39:00 Can she have a shot at the presidency in 2020 at this election at the next election at this point? 45:00 // Is she have any chance of being the real thing? 40:00 What do you think of Donald Trump really have the chance at a chance at winning the nomination? 47:00 __
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00:01:20.000That was a drive-by shooting, a one-on-three debate of moderators that were not supposed to be fact-checking but did, and didn't just fact-check, they did it incorrectly.
00:01:29.000From the fine people on both sides saying that there was no late-term abortion, the press is going to fawn over this.
00:01:35.000I'm telling you right now, the press is going to say Kamala Harris, big night, Trump did terribly.
00:01:40.000We have to brace for that, brace for impact.
00:01:42.000I do not think that is the truth of what happened here tonight, and we need to put on full display exactly what occurred tonight, which was a drive-by shooting, landmines, that was placed for President Trump.
00:02:19.000And from that point forward, it was this sequence that went one after the other.
00:02:22.000She rehearsed her entire abortion thing that was full of nonsense about miscarriages, not being allowed to get treatment at hospitals.
00:02:29.000She made it overly emotional and then went against President Trump on that.
00:02:33.000Then, from the beginning, on the economy, we spent a lot of time on tariffs.
00:02:36.000Like, an unnecessary amount of time on tariffs.
00:02:39.000And it's very important to skip over all this fake emotionalism and get to the core essence that Kamala Harris is the current Vice President of the United States.
00:02:50.000She could have fixed so many of these things.
00:02:53.000She is the second in command of a historically unpopular administration.
00:03:54.000It was the Democracy stuff and he's just like, your campaign's legal advisor says that Donald Trump, he's not recognizing the election, it's a threat.
00:04:52.000I think Kamala gave the media enough that they are going to say that she was poised and she was, you know, absolutely, I agree with the fact that the moderators were, it was three on one the whole time.
00:05:05.000I mean, all of Twitter X is basically saying that Climate change, guns, abortion, rally sizes, employees, democracy, the 2020 election.
00:05:17.000The point of the questions were all in Kamala's sweet spot and they were a setup for Trump.
00:05:26.000I would say Trump nailed it at the end.
00:05:28.000He finally got there where he said, you know, why haven't you done it yet?
00:05:32.000And that was essentially the entire debate.
00:05:34.000I wish he would have brought that up a little earlier, but at least he got it in that final segment.
00:05:38.000And that clip I think will do really, really well on socials.
00:05:41.000I would just say that it was a complete setup, a lot of intentional baiting and triggering.
00:05:47.000At the end of the day, I think When we talk about this electorally, this is going to be a wash.
00:05:53.000I don't think anybody is going to end up having a big bump from this.
00:05:57.000I think we're going to see this within seven days.
00:06:00.000We're going to move on to a new conversation, new narrative in the news.
00:06:05.000So yeah, and look, Tyler, I want to get your thoughts on this.
00:06:07.000It's very clear that Kamala Harris received the coaching from David Plouffe and her team.
00:06:12.000Her team found 20 potential psychological triggers for President Trump, and she used every single one of them.
00:06:17.000It was a sequence, one after the other after the other.
00:06:20.000What President Trump, in my opinion, should have done, and could have done an even better job of, is twist and have triggers against her.
00:06:27.000The one moment that I thought was very interesting, where she seemed a little bit off kilter, was when he called her a Marxist.
00:06:35.000She didn't quite look very comfortable there, and they just cut it off kind of completely.
00:07:18.000And like, as we, as we said, but look, here are the positive takeaways from this is that, you know, there are many elements within this debate where Kamala looked uncomfortable.
00:07:32.000She sneered a lot, which just speaks to the way that she's uncomfortable in these situations and these environments.
00:07:38.000I don't think those were exposed as much as they possibly could have been.
00:07:41.000Like you said, Charlie, that there should have been some preparation to be able to lean into that.
00:07:47.000So once he was able to identify that, but when you're sitting next to a person, you're not able to totally comprehend Uh, the same way that the audience is looking straight on at her face.
00:07:59.000And so, you know, I think the takeaway here is in debate number two, which is going to be extraordinarily important.
00:08:07.000Uh, is that she's going to be uncomfortable and, and president Trump has to remain focused on the very basics, which is what we've talked about here is that Kamala Harris has been part of a regime that has caused absolute chaos at the border.
00:08:23.000That has allowed for our economy to spin out after and in a post COVID world we have inflation like it's like crazy and that simplified message just has to be delivered over and over and over again in almost a very boring repetitious way.
00:08:39.000But with Trump being cool and collected and kind of the funny, likable self that he is.
00:08:46.000And I don't know if that all totally came through tonight.
00:09:26.000I think he could have pressed on this even further.
00:09:29.000And it was an interesting type format because it was very clear that Kamala was not adequately prepared on the substance, but she was adequately prepared on her 1-2-3 dance moves and her 1-2-3 triggers to try to get President Trump upset.
00:10:12.000Her father's a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well.
00:10:17.000But when you look at what she's done to our country, and when you look at these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly, where it's, I believe, 21 million people, not the 15 that people say, and I think it's a lot higher than the 21, that's bigger than New York State pouring in.
00:10:34.000And just look at what they're doing to our country.
00:10:37.000Many of these people coming in are criminals.
00:12:17.000Yet at least three times on the top of my head, they fact-checked Trump.
00:12:20.000And the one that I just screamed at the television, where she said, well, it's not legal anywhere in the country to have late-term abortions.
00:12:27.000In nine states across the country, it is legal to execute your baby up until the point of birth and even post-birth, as articulated by the governor of Virginia.
00:12:39.000And Charlie, when she goes into the Verifying People hoax, they didn't even bother to fact-check that, even though that's been publicized far and wide after the first debate.
00:13:40.000We want this country to win, David Muir.
00:13:43.000And then when it came to him, they were like, oh, well, let's stay on the topic of the economy.
00:13:47.000And yet when there were topics that Kamala Harris didn't like, she would constantly change the topic and they would never regulate her and say that we are not on topic.
00:14:02.000The most interfered-with debate in modern American history.
00:14:05.000With that being said, I would have liked to see President Trump to just... I would have liked to have seen a constant theme over and over again.
00:15:52.000during this debate, because we're wasting a lot of time, go down to, because she's been so bad, it's so ridiculous, go down to Washington, D.C.
00:16:00.000and let her sign a bill to close up the border.
00:16:06.000The President of the United States, you'll get him out of bed, you'll wake him up at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, you'll say, come on, come on down to the office, let's sign a bill.
00:16:14.000If he signs a bill that the border is closed, all he has to do is say it to the Border Patrol, who are phenomenal.
00:16:21.000If they do that, the border is closed.
00:16:24.000Andrew, the essence of what he's saying there is... I think we lost Andrew.
00:16:58.000If you are an American sitting out there trying to figure out which candidate to vote for, And you're trying to figure out who is going to be better served for your country, who's going to be better for your family, who's going to be better for your people, who's going to be better for the citizens of Springfield, Ohio.
00:17:11.000What David Muir and the ABC moderators did out there was completely insane.
00:17:17.000And it almost sounded as if Kamala Harris had the questions in advance.
00:17:22.000Because she had that prepared, canned answer to every single one that they gave.
00:17:28.000And whenever President Trump was talking, that's when they would go and they would attack.
00:18:55.000A lot of independent voters were tuning in tonight, and they did not get a chance, I think, to actually get into any of the substance of the debate.
00:19:05.000The abortion part, I want to get this clip, it was such a travesty and a tragedy when that woman from ABC says, well, there's no place where there's late-term abortion.
00:19:16.000Kamala Harris, there's no late-term abortion.
00:19:18.000There are eight states across the country, according to Axios.com, how many times have I said this, Blake?
00:19:23.000Eight states, and they are New Mexico, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, New Jersey, I think New York and Vermont, I think is number eight, we can get the exact list.
00:19:54.000Your reaction on this one-on-three debate of President Trump versus David Muir and two women, I don't know the other woman's name, Kamala Harris and the other one.
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00:20:13.000I had a friend who pointed out to me, he said, What's so outrageous is where she's just able to rewrite her own narrative.
00:20:21.000She just says, like, I just want us all to get along.
00:20:25.000Kamala is involved in all sorts of bizarre race baiting, gender baiting.
00:20:31.000She was part of the whole attack on Justice Kavanaugh when it happened, during those hearings.
00:20:36.000She believed an egregiously false hate hoax by Jussie Smollett, which was not just, oh, she believed a dumb story.
00:20:44.000She believed a dumb story whose purpose was to vilify an entire political grouping, an entire race of people, basically a blood libel, essentially.
00:20:54.000And then, of course, she was even saying, like, oh, I think she mentioned, you know, China was to blame for COVID, which in 2020, Kamala and everyone else was saying it was racist to even, like, say the word China in relation to the virus until lockdowns hit.
00:21:09.000She's just allowed to totally rewrite the past.
00:21:10.000The same way anytime Trump brought up, oh, you know, she opposed fracking, she wanted gun confiscations, she wants this radical left-wing economic stuff.
00:21:19.000There's never any moderator coming in to say like, oh, well, Kamala, you did say you wanted to do that.
00:21:24.000You know, we have you on tape endorsing this.
00:21:26.000You told the ACLU you were going to do this.
00:21:29.000Instead, she's just allowed to do her practiced facial expressions where she looks... It would just be so cringe.
00:24:30.000It was a struggle session by ABC News.
00:24:34.000Yeah, so this is a typical communist tactic, and you know, as folks know, I just wrote a whole best-selling book about how the media and the establishment and the institutions have been taken over by communists, and on humans, the secret history of communist revolutions and how to crush them.
00:24:49.000And this is specifically a tactic they use.
00:24:51.000They go to you and accuse you of committing a crime, and then they say, why will you not confess?
00:25:24.000The point is, it was intended to be a show trial.
00:25:29.000The only difference is when the Chinese Communist Party conducted Maoist show trials, they would do so
00:25:35.000in giant soccer stadiums with a gun to the back of your head.
00:25:38.000And if they could have, they would have placed a sign under Donald Trump's head calling him right-wing extremist and putting a dunce cap on him and having a crowd chanting, shame, shame, shame.
00:31:12.000President Trump, So he just started by saying she's going to do this, she's going to do that, she's going to do all these wonderful things.
00:31:35.000She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do, but you haven't done it and you won't do it.
00:31:44.000Because you believe in things that the American people don't believe in.
00:31:48.000You believe in things like we're not going to frack.
00:33:44.000Yeah, she literally says, Taylor Swift signed Childless Cat Lady.
00:33:49.000Well, after Kamala's president, she might not have the cats much longer.
00:33:52.000Yeah, isn't this exactly, with all the Haitians, they're gonna eat Taylor Swift's cat.
00:33:55.000Taylor, they're coming after your cat!
00:33:57.000They'll just be like, I never—it'll be like, five years from now, it's like, I never thought this could happen when she expressly voted for the cat-eating party.
00:35:33.000And this is a total, again, Obama drive by situation here where, you know, clearly, you know, some people were saying that look like she had a earpiece in her right ear or whatever.
00:35:43.000It's, She's this this woman has been on the Obama debate diet.
00:35:49.000She has been just listening nonstop to Barack Obama.
00:35:53.000She's mimicking some of the his characteristics and debates.
00:35:58.000Yeah, they probably had her on a diet cleanse for the last three days, and just mentally focused.
00:36:04.000And when you're up against people who are doing that, you've got to be at the top of your game.
00:36:10.000It's not just President Trump that has to be at the top of this game.
00:36:12.000We have to be at the top of our game for get out the vote strategies.
00:36:15.000We have to make sure that we're talking to our neighbors and we have to get out absolutely every possible Republican vote that we can in Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia, and of course Michigan and Nevada.
00:36:27.000But Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia I think is where this election is going to land.
00:36:32.000And so we've got to do everything we possibly can to make sure that this thing We come out on top.
00:36:37.000And that's the way that you combat this, is if you're not feeling good about how the media is treating our president, President Trump, you got to get out work.
00:37:45.000Yeah, this is JD Vance and the Spinner in PlayCut 99.
00:37:47.000Donald Trump is right to call it out and Kamala Harris, like so many other issues, she has no way to explain why she's going to be better as president than she has been as vice president.
00:37:57.000It's her policies that cause the problem.
00:38:34.000Huge amounts of data were left out of that, including, like, just, some cities did not submit their murder data, and I'm gonna guess it's probably the more disordered ones that didn't catch up, because they changed their crime reporting standards.
00:38:46.000And even that framing, oh, crime is going down.
00:38:48.000Yeah, because crime went up a ton in 21 and 22, and 2020 because of a giant left-wing-backed,
00:38:57.000you know, reckoning, as they called it.
00:39:07.000And in some cities, it's still going up.
00:39:09.000In some cities, it's actually exploding right now.
00:39:12.000And for them to just frame it as, oh, well, actually, the FBI says crime is going down.
00:39:17.000It's just, it's revolting that they do this.
00:39:19.000It is insane that these people can call themselves journalists and behave this way.
00:39:23.000The essence that could have been better flushed out is Kamala Harris saying, I will fix things if you vote me into office, says the woman currently in office.
00:39:38.000Jack, what are your thoughts to some people in the audience that feel as if Trump was so outnumbered, was so outgunned that, you know, this is going to impact the election a lot?
00:39:46.000Talk about how debates don't always impact election results and the need to get up the next day and keep working.
00:39:51.000Look, this debate comes at a time where the situation was close.
00:39:59.000Remember, most national polls Had it within 2-3 points, or Trump was up a little bit here, Kamala was up a little bit there, but the swing states always come down to 50-50.
00:40:07.000Again, this is going to be a marginal election.
00:40:11.000And at the end of the day, I think most people have already kind of priced in where they stand on Donald Trump.
00:40:18.000One debate is not going to change people's opinions on Donald Trump because he's been, remember, he's been in the political eye now for a decade.
00:40:27.000People have made their decision and they've broken with this past view of that the mainstream
00:41:00.000This just confirms that the corporate media does, and by the way, it was the corporate media, and this is something that, I remember I said this after the last debate, so I'm gonna be consistent here.
00:41:10.000The corporate media ganged up on Joe Biden after the last debate, And I called that a political coup, and now they are attempting a political coup of President Trump.
00:41:20.000They are attempting to shape and define the election itself.
00:41:25.000So that's why it's going to fall to we, the people, the same way it always falls to we, the people.
00:41:30.000That's why I'm up here in Pennsylvania.
00:41:32.000That's why I'm going to be going across Pennsylvania all through September, all through October.
00:41:35.000We're doing the Get Out the Vote rallies.
00:42:51.000And we had a, it was very interesting.
00:42:53.000It showed how weak they are, how pathetic they are, and what they're doing to destroy our country and the border with foreign trade, with everything.
00:43:03.000And I think it was the best debate I've ever, personally, that I've had.
00:43:06.000We're getting polls that show 92 to 6.
00:44:36.000But despite that, they're saying that the debate was... Mr. President, is the president prepared for that kind of debate?
00:44:42.000Yeah, I assume the moderators would be bad because that right there is the worst of all the news networks, in my opinion, and it always has been.
00:46:11.000I mean, I'd love to get another feed up here, but I think that, you know, people seeing President Trump Just seeing very nonchalant being up there and able to be surrounded by media talk the way that he is show projecting calm.
00:46:26.000You know, I think it's it does a lot to kind of push back on I've seen some of these completely wild takes on Twitter people being like all doom and gloom and they're just blackmailing out there for really no reason whatsoever.
00:46:38.000And then He just walks right out there.
00:48:44.000So I'm inclined to agree with that one.
00:48:48.000And, Veteran RN, donating another $50, he says, Charlie, the local election office won't allow me to be an observer at the polls, probably because I'm a January 6th subject.
00:49:00.000You can volunteer in a lot of other ways, that's all I'll say.
00:49:04.000If they won't let you do that, there's a million other ways to get involved.
00:49:08.000I want to thank, again we're doing members right now, members.charliekirk.com, I'm signing hats all evening here.
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00:49:47.000President Trump is just walking around right now, and yeah, it's hard to kind of even hear him in the spin room here.
00:49:55.000Boy, that was a corporate media drive-by.
00:49:57.000In the Great Rush Limbaugh, right Tyler?
00:50:00.000That was a drive-by shooting by the corporate media.
00:50:05.000You know, I think people usually think of CNN as really biased or the Washington Post, but really, I think the true bastions of some of the most outrageous bias are just old-school network news, those people.
00:50:21.000And they don't get as much attention because they're not doing 24-hour news cycles every single day, but there are some nasty people at those.
00:50:27.000It's sort of, who's the guy who runs The Onion now?
00:50:59.000I mean, honestly, this should have been the entire debate prep was knowing that that was coming.
00:51:05.000The last debate, the left looked at, if you just read through Twitter, the last debate, the left thought that they didn't go after Trump enough.
00:51:13.000They didn't spend too much time on Trump.
00:51:15.000You know, and it was a pretty balanced and fair, actually fairly conducted debate.
00:51:20.000And that's part of the reason why Trump Yeah, exceeded expectations, I think beyond even what most people, most pundits came into the last debate.
00:51:28.000And so, you know, you look at this one, I mean, this was just like incessant, you know, in real time fact checking, that should have been expected.
00:51:39.000You know, I think, personally, and again, we could talk about this here.
00:51:43.000But I would like to see Trump call the media a little bit more.
00:51:45.000I think the preparation should say, hey, what is this?
00:51:49.000You guys are all ganging up against me.
00:51:52.000And I think just saying a couple more of those lines would have been also clipped a lot, because I think that would have framed the entire debate and then sunk it.
00:52:01.000When Trump has done that in the past, Fox News hated that when he did that with Megyn Kelly.
00:52:05.000And so, you know, I think he should have done that.
00:52:09.000Just like in a very specific way, and I don't think he needed to repeat it multiple times, but I think just saying it once would have gone a long way.
00:52:55.000Vice President Harris sounds like she just admitted the COVID virus originated in a lab That was one of the conspiracy theories the Biden-Harris administration censored on the internet with the collusion of big tech, of course.
00:53:07.000So just a reminder of the stakes and a reminder of one of the many things that these moderators could have, you know, followed up with Harris about if they weren't too busy teeing up the next softball about Trump.
00:53:19.000Okay, let's play some more tape here from the debate, and also we're going to be linking arms with Real America's Voice sometime soon.
00:53:47.000So I saw a bunch of people saying, And Cernovich had tweeted, you know, it's so bizarre that she has these very detailed answers to questions, like the 80,000 Poles living in Pennsylvania, which, by the way, as a Pennsylvania Pole, yeah, I'm definitely not voting for you.
00:54:02.000And none of the Polis people I know in my family or the others, like at the Czestochowa Festival last weekend, are definitely not voting for you.
00:54:10.000But, you know, this really canned familiarity with the questions.
00:54:14.000And it leads me to think is perhaps, perhaps, Perhaps we've got the script inverted.
00:54:19.000Did ABC give Kamala questions or did Team Kamala give ABC the questions?
00:54:24.000I mean, I can't get over how directly on point they seemed the entire night.
00:55:02.000Jack, can you read the quote from Tim Miller?
00:55:05.000Tim Mueller from the Bulwark, and I believe he's in the spin room just across town here in Philadelphia.
00:55:11.000And Tim says, just spoke with Lindsey Graham, Senator Lindsey Graham in the spin room, and he said the debate team should be fired and Trump was unprepared, in quotes, disaster.
00:57:26.000And if we look at her tax plan, which is, okay, price gauging or gouging, and the largest tax increase not only in American history, but world history, her campaign is saying tonight, Washington Post is reporting, that she wants a second debate.
00:58:25.000You know one thing that interested me because I've known you for a long time and one of the things that I was watching in you tonight is that you were just You are all business.
00:58:35.000You know, a lot of times when you're at your rallies or we do a town hall, they're destroying our country.
01:00:07.000I'm speaking... I wanted to get even for that.
01:00:08.000You know, that was not very nice what you did.
01:00:11.000But no, I thought it was... We're getting great reviews.
01:00:14.000It's interesting that the one thing, one line that really stuck out that did make me laugh out loud is when you said you're gonna send her a MAGA hat.
01:00:21.000There are a lot of positions now, all of a sudden she's come over to your side.
01:00:25.000She's been against the border wall, she's been against... There's only one problem.
01:00:28.000If you have a one immediately from the day after that election, everything would go back
01:00:33.000to confiscate your guns and forget about oil and everything else.
01:00:37.000You know, they were cutting back on oil way back.
01:00:39.000They got rid of Anwar, the biggest oil site, perhaps, in the world in Alaska.
01:00:44.000They did things that are so bad and so destructive.
01:00:48.000But energy prices started doubling up.
01:00:51.000And she immediately went back to the Trump plan.
01:00:54.000But I would have been now four times higher than they are right now because that was three and a half years ago.
01:01:42.000They have been unsuccessful in everything.
01:01:45.000And even the economy, I said, as part of the economy, you've let 21 million people, more than that, I think, with all the gotaways.
01:01:52.000By the way, we're not terrorists, and we do have the murders and the rapes and the violent crimes.
01:01:57.000Oh, and you haven't seen anything yet.
01:01:58.000When do you see it in the months to come?
01:02:00.000You know what scares me, and I've said this on the air, is by having open borders, unvetted illegal immigrants, that I don't think it's a matter of if, I think it's a matter of when that this country is going to be attacked.
01:02:12.000If you look at Springfield, Ohio, look at what's happening there.
01:02:16.000You look at Aurora in Colorado, these beautiful little towns and little cities, small cities.
01:02:22.000They're being taken over by illegal migrants.
01:02:26.000I mean, the people that poured in, and they have weapons like our military doesn't have.
01:03:33.000And that Kamala Harris rehearsed a bunch of lines that were designed for the exact intent to try and provoke Donald Trump.
01:03:39.000Jack, let's go back in the Wayback Machine.
01:03:42.000The first debate back in 2020 was not Donald Trump's best, was not his best moment.
01:03:47.000Despite all of that and what we were up against, not a great debate, COVID, race riots, Floydapalooza, we fell 42,000 ballots short in 2020, Jack.
01:03:56.000If anyone thinks that all of a sudden that this is going to have a major impact on the race, it will only if you allow it to happen.
01:04:20.000And at that time, it was the fact that they were fact checking him over the Hunter Biden laptop, that they were not letting you get the truth out about what happened there.
01:04:28.000They weren't letting him talk about the Biden corruption, again, all of which came to be true.
01:04:33.000And of course, they know That this is something that President Trump does not like.
01:04:39.000He doesn't like when they cut him off, and by the way, nobody likes this.
01:04:44.000Who wouldn't be upset when you have somebody cutting you off and then lying to you and not letting you, and their job is supposed to be the referee, their job is supposed to be, again, to moderate between the two candidates, but we didn't have a moderation here.
01:04:57.000What we had was an assault on one candidate where the other candidate is given a free lane
01:07:18.000And the soft brains out there are going to take this in the mouth breathers and be like, ah, Trump won, Trump lost, Trump lost, Kamala won.
01:07:26.000I'm telling you, I've been polling people.
01:08:31.000Um, so I would just say this isn't going to move the needle.
01:08:34.000And if we look back to 2020, where everybody said he lost this first debate, then it came back stronger.
01:08:40.000So I would say this, and he was down nationally in the national polls, according to the pollsters at the time, four points on the averages.
01:08:50.000Still came 42,000 ballots short to Jack's point.
01:08:54.000We have augmented the GOTV part of this race significantly since then.
01:09:00.000There's lots more people out in the field, lots more full-time paid staffers, professionals trained up using better technology, better data than we ever had in 2020.
01:09:08.00042,000 ballots, We are tied, if not up, according to New York Times, Sienna.
01:09:14.000We've retaken the enthusiasm advantage.
01:12:30.000ABC knew that the economy is the number one issue, the economy is the best issue for Trump, and I would argue and submit, by the way, that they deliberately shaded the debate so they could get into all of these other things rather than really focus on the economy, which is going to be the driver for the election.
01:13:09.000There are states where this is legal through birth.
01:13:11.000The governor of Virginia has said, keep it legal through birth.
01:13:14.000Tim Walz changed Minnesota's laws to make it so you were not nearly as legally exposed if you have a born-alive child and a botched abortion and it dies.
01:13:25.000And then he's sensational but not Kamala who's just like, your nine-year-old will be raped and have a miscarriage and you won't be allowed to treat it because Trump is going to helicopter in.
01:13:40.000When Trump's position is, the states can vote on this.
01:13:43.000But Blake, let me, and not necessarily play devil's advocate, but you remember how you were talking earlier about how she talks like a TV character, right?
01:13:51.000This is the false reality that so many voters live in because of Hollywood.
01:13:57.000And we actually wrote about this in the book, that this is the fried mental model that people have of red states.
01:14:02.000When you talk about like Alabama, Arkansas, or Texas, or Mississippi, or Louisiana, they actually believe that's what goes on in red states.
01:14:12.000This is the Handmaid's Tale, this is all that stuff.
01:14:15.000So, you know, you and I can sit here and say, oh, it's crazy, and it obviously is, but again, they don't believe that stuff because they have no clue what goes on other than what they see in Hollywood, versus they have no idea the fact that in Oregon, abortion is legal up to seven months.
01:15:49.000Oh, our talking points? Okay, play cut 101.
01:15:52.000What did you see that brought you to a conclusion?
01:15:55.000I think it's important to remember that we are voting for the leader of our country
01:16:01.000and not who we like the most or who we want in our wedding party,
01:16:05.000but who is actually going to make our country better.
01:16:08.000And we're in an incredibly unique situation where we've had both of the candidates in office before and we've gotten to see what they would do.
01:16:16.000And when facts come to facts, my life was better when Trump was in office.
01:16:20.000The economy was higher, inflation was lower.
01:16:22.000Things were better overall, and now with Kamala's administration, things haven't been so fantastic.
01:16:29.000And she's saying she can fix the problems that her administration has caused, but I just don't know if I can afford to take that risk.
01:16:37.000I want to find this woman and send her a signed hat.
01:19:25.000So, this was a Republican senator, James Lankford, introduced a bill that would make it so we could let in, I think it was 10,000 people a day?
01:21:47.000They're doing focus groups everywhere.
01:21:48.000We have our eyes on them because I'm actually really interested in them.
01:21:50.000Number one, If this was a campaign, Kamala Harris' campaign, if they were confident, they would not have received the Taylor Swift endorsement on debate night.
01:22:00.000Their internals are not where they need to be.
01:22:01.000Number two, they would not be asking for another debate.
01:22:05.000Someone who is confident about where their campaign is and how tonight went, they need to dig themselves out of a hole.
01:22:11.000They are acting like a campaign in desperate measure.
01:22:15.000They recently just did events in New Hampshire and Minnesota.
01:22:18.000They have a lot of climbing up to do, right, Blake?
01:22:21.000And you don't all of a sudden, you know, win a quote-unquote, oh, I won the debate, let's go do another.
01:22:28.000One side's gonna say our side got it, they're gonna say, okay, whatever.
01:22:31.000Meaning they need more juice, right, Blake?
01:22:35.000They didn't get what they wanted tonight.
01:22:38.000What's most important is Not, is like your psychological composure.
01:22:43.000What they needed, the biggest gain they're going to get from this is not voters, it's just that they can go to donors and say like, things are alright, pony up some more money, you know, Kamala Mentum is still okay, and maybe some of them will believe that.
01:22:56.000And on the same, for us, it's the most important thing is, you don't listen to people who scream at you and say like, ah, Trump lost, oh my gosh!
01:23:43.000Well, you know, it's actually quite strange because it almost feels like there's something that they're not, they know something they're not telling us, right?
01:23:50.000So a winning campaign says, we don't need to have another debate.
01:23:53.000If you feel like you've won, like you put the nail in the coffin, then you said, we'll give them another, you would dangle it out.
01:24:00.000You would say, we'll give them another debate.
01:24:02.000If they deserve one, we'll give you another title shot.
01:24:08.000That when you get beyond the nuts and bolts of things and really look under the hood, that this is a country, again, that is frustrated, a country that is angry with the current status quo of things, that does want change, that does have the righteous indignation.
01:24:24.000And my friend Rahim Ghassan was writing a piece of this, that the mood of the country is much closer to the mood that Donald Trump espoused on stage tonight, not this sort of showy, flashy, oh, everything's going to be great.
01:24:40.000No, this is a country where people are going around saying, you know what, I'm sick of the tens of thousands of Haitians running rampant in my town, and I want someone to get them out of here and all of these jobs to go to the people that have lived here all along.
01:25:06.000And while they think that tonight went well for them, which I'm not totally on board for... By the way, Ryan, did I not predict that CNN poll?
01:25:13.000I said the CNN poll is going to say around 65% of people thought Kamala won the debate.
01:25:20.000By the way, the ones in 2020 are even worse.
01:25:21.000Yeah, I think it was about 70% for Biden.
01:25:28.000But Blake, help me, play devil's advocate.
01:25:31.000If Kamala was super happy with the current state that she's in, polling-wise, enthusiasm, do you demand another debate, especially after Taylor Swift endorsement, that quickly?
01:25:43.000I think really I think the fact that Trump also says he wants another debate you come out and of course you say I want more debates because that's how you signal you don't think you lost basically and I think if if you're nervous about it later on you'll see maybe they'll try to like glide their way out of it and you know fuss over the rules or something something like that but I think I think they've seen their internal numbers.
01:26:09.000We've heard a lot of talk from Mark Halpern, from other people, that their internal numbers aren't as good as the public ones.
01:26:14.000And the public ones aren't that great right now.
01:26:19.000Prominent Democrats are like stoking panic in their base.
01:26:23.000They're saying, he says, it's really close.
01:26:25.000we're down in the electoral college and some of this is Democrats sort of
01:26:30.000respond well to panic they freak out they donate more money they are a
01:26:33.000neurotic bunch of people in the best of times they were mass and so you know
01:26:39.000they're going to be all neurotic about this no matter what but I I think they
01:26:45.000are I do think they're requesting another debate because I think they
01:26:49.000believe it will be useful to them And I think part of it is awareness that this debate is really early, way earlier than any of the debates were in 2016, for example, and I think 2020.
01:27:00.000Uh, other than like North Carolina, I don't think any states are really voting for another two or three weeks.
01:27:07.000This'll be over with, and that's why they wish they could get a debate right in the sweet spot of early voting, and we'll see if that happens.
01:27:14.000There's another panel of undecided voters that I want to load up here.
01:27:17.000I want to remind you guys to become a member, members.charliekirk.com.
01:28:14.000Donald Trump made a strong closing statement by saying, why didn't they do all the things that she's proposing during the three and a half years that they've been in office?
01:28:26.000And Biden did this entire moderate stance back in 2020.
01:28:31.000And she's trying to do it again in 2024, but she didn't talk about her policy changes between 2020 and 2024.
01:28:39.000Her whole centrist, moderate stance is just a facade.
01:28:44.000Blake, I'm sorry, that's CBS News, Jack.
01:28:47.000That's not what they wanted out of tonight, of undecided voters.
01:28:52.000And by the way, that, um, you know, we, we haven't said it, but president Trump, when he was given that opportunity to, uh, summarize essentially his positions for the evening, he, he really did very well.
01:29:03.000It was a fantastic closing statement to just say, she says she's going to do all of these wonderful things to do so.
01:29:29.000But the fact that people are picking up on it and the undecided voter panels are hearing it, it shows that it did come through.
01:29:35.000Look, if you're someone who's sitting out there and you're wondering why things are going so bad right now, you know that she's the current vice president.
01:29:41.000They're trying to play this game like she isn't the current vice president.
01:29:54.000And I think that stuff does actually have resonance with people who are looking at this, if they truly are looking at this with an open mind.
01:30:02.000So, so Jack, I mean, I think it's important, you know, something that Trump hammered again and again and again tonight was the fact that they are sending criminals across our border and that she allowed it to happen.
01:30:19.000When Trump first did the shot across the bow in 2015 and 2016, and he went really hard on immigration, everybody called him a racist, but it turns out, guess what?
01:30:29.000The American people, they were into it.
01:30:34.000I have consistently believed that the most popular issue that the Democrats have worked overtime, over years, to make it so that you couldn't express these opinions I believe that the American people are so fed up with immigration that this messaging, yeah, maybe he could have delivered it better, but they know very clearly after tonight, if you want less, you got Trump.
01:31:06.000I mean, it is really a binary choice on such a massively energizing issue as immigration.
01:31:13.000And could Trump have delivered the points better?
01:31:21.000And I think that was so, I think it's so powerful.
01:31:24.000It is the underappreciated through line of Trump's entire run as a candidate Going back to 2015, we underestimate consistently how unpopular mass immigration is and how popular a secure border is.
01:32:05.000When the current regime is basically built on lies like, oh, the border's fine, the economy is fine, it's a house of cards that could come in at any moment.
01:32:14.000Does anyone think we're going to have a shocker where the stock market explodes upward and we come in and they're like, oh, actually the economy grew 5%?
01:32:30.000They're terrified some illegal... they'll be like, oh yeah, this person was... the Biden administration paid to fly this person in from Haiti and then they paid them $10,000 so they could live in this house in like a middle-class neighborhood in Wisconsin and then he abducted this eight-year-old girl and he flayed her and then ate her body.
01:32:56.000We see, this is what's crumbling through.
01:32:58.000This Springfield, and it could be out there, I'd encourage everyone, if you're in a community where this is going on, talk about it.
01:33:05.000Go to city council, send emails to us.
01:33:07.000Because this Springfield stuff was going on for months, for years, and it's just finally, clips started to go viral and it caught everyone's attention.
01:33:18.000So if there are, if there's a string of burglaries in your town and they say, it's illegal immigrants who do this, If there are drug gangs in your community and it's illegal immigrants, let us know because we can publicize this, we can make this the dominant issue in the election.
01:33:34.000Do you want your community to just be plundered and looted and criminalized and destroyed by this tidal wave of vicious and criminal people from the third world?
01:33:47.000The... I think that's exactly... America is open for looting, is what we are seeing right now.
01:35:57.000This thing's gonna come down to the wire of who wants it more.
01:36:00.000And so at Turning Point Action, we are mobilizing the largest ever citizen force and grassroots army to chase ballots in Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Pennsylvania.
01:36:11.000Parts of Michigan and parts of Nevada.
01:36:13.000And you guys can do it at tpaction.com slash 100. tpaction.com slash 100.
01:36:18.000Andrew, you talked to a reporter today about this.
01:36:21.000Can you walk our audience through the tactical significance of chasing ballots, of getting into the grassroots?
01:36:35.000So, in the past, the Ronna McDaniel crowd, the old school consultants, they would go around and they would say, we knocked on 10 million doors.
01:36:45.000And what they don't want you to know is that a lot of those doors were not the right doors.
01:36:49.000And the interactions with said people at those doors We're not very pleasant.
01:36:56.000And sometimes you in the grassroots were spending money thinking you were helping save your country and you were actually getting Democrats out to the polls.
01:37:04.000What we do at Turning Point Action is much different.
01:37:09.000Our Chase the Vote initiative is about hiring hundreds of full-time employees located in very strategic And guess what?
01:37:19.000We knock on their door and we say, do you have a plan to vote?
01:37:22.000And they're like, I don't really check into politics.
01:37:25.000just didn't come out last time or in 2016.
01:37:28.000So they didn't come out in 2016 and or 2020.
01:37:47.000Do you want people to take away your guns?
01:37:50.000Have you noticed the prices at the grocery store?
01:37:52.000Do you like your new neighbors that don't speak English and don't know how to drive and they get into car accidents?
01:37:58.000Well, maybe you should make a plan to vote.
01:37:59.000And one by one by one, Basically, 10 interactions at a time a day over the course of the months that we have had and we're going to have the 60 days ahead of us.
01:38:12.000We are giving those people a plan to vote.
01:38:25.000So we don't care about the 10 million the 10 million doors here or whatever we care about about a 300 to 350,000 low prop likely conservative minded people in Arizona and we care about 350,000 people in Wisconsin same same idea and in CD7 in Michigan and CD3 in Nevada we also have staff deployed and that is our universe because we know that We fell 20,000 ballots short in Wisconsin.
01:38:54.000We fell 11,000 short, 10,000 short in Arizona.
01:38:58.000And we've got 350 in each state, 350,000 in each state, a universe that small, but that important
01:39:04.000that can make all the difference, the direction of this country moving forward.
01:39:08.000So look, I'm reading, thank you, Andrew, for that.
01:40:11.000Yeah, so let me give an example that, you know, people can say, oh, Trump got mad and Kamala came across poised or at least prepared, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
01:40:49.000And right now, and, You always look for these pre-scripted planned lines that are usually prepared well in advance and designed to strategically calculate a certain cross-section of the voting base that she needs.
01:41:53.000And then it's going to live with the clips of Run Spot Run and that they're eating dogs and you can't afford bacon.
01:41:58.000Which, honestly, Trump had the better one-liners tonight.
01:42:00.000And a few that they could, this is actually, I want to just, sorry, I just want to flag this from a person on YouTube, Colette Davis, who donated $25.
01:42:07.000She points out, anytime Kamala mentions $25,000 for first-time homebuyers, he should bring up, in California, her state, Democrats want to give $150,000 to illegal immigrants.
01:43:33.000I want to interject with something here.
01:43:35.000I feel like just with the benefit of a few minutes of this debate being passed, I feel like I'm settling in to what I actually, and I've been writing down some notes here as we've been talking, And what I really feel like I saw, like in my gut, what I know that casual watchers of this debate were going to actually internalize, what they would actually take away.
01:43:58.000Yeah, quippy one-liner, good moment, Trump maybe missed this, hit her on that, nailed the more important things, whatever.
01:44:06.000What we really saw was A man, Donald Trump, who's really ticked off.
01:44:14.000He's really ticked off at the injustices that have been perpetrated against him.
01:44:18.000And he's really upset about what he's watching happen to America.
01:44:23.000And he's really upset that he's getting mocked by somebody across the stage who's responsible for it.
01:44:30.000Who's responsible for so much of it, at least.
01:44:33.000And I genuinely feel like that's what I internalized.
01:44:35.000And I think they're going to internalize the fact that they saw somebody that does all of the things, the polish, the one-liners, the, like, sort of looks, the acting, and how phony it all is.
01:44:47.000And I genuinely believe that that is going to be somewhere deep down in the viewer's mind and in their gut, they're going to know that that's the truth.
01:44:59.000I think he's exhausted by just how, like, Superfluous and silly so much of the song and dances and how much of the posturing and the acting and the hypocrisy that he's seen so close and intimately.
01:45:14.000I genuinely believe that that is getting through to the viewers.
01:45:21.000They saw a man that's pissed off and I think so many of us, why that works is because so many of us feel it too.
01:45:27.000Yeah, and I just... So Jack, again, we're very much in favor of Taylor's cats.
01:45:33.000We hope that we deport Haitians so that Taylor can keep Meredith safe.
01:45:36.000But why would they roll out the Taylor Swift endorsement here?
01:45:40.000Yeah, so the Taylor Swift endorsement, which is something that I've been predicting for over nine months would be coming in the fall, that it's something that it seems strange to roll out on a night which was already so politically newsy to begin with.
01:45:58.000Although it does strike me as interesting that there's a certain dichotomy of the Elon endorsement coming on the day of Trump's assassination attempt.
01:46:07.000And the Taylor Swift endorsement coming on the day of the debate like this, because both happened in big media cycles.
01:46:14.000And so there's two things I'm thinking about.
01:46:17.000It could be number one, that Taylor just wanted to get it out there, but didn't want it to be a separate media cycle.
01:46:22.000So you put it in, you say, this is the endorsement.
01:46:26.000And then, you know, is she going to organize or not?
01:46:28.000I think that's really the big question, because all right, she put it out there, but Because there's so much media going on right now, it's not going to get as big of a cycle as it would unless she goes to organize voters.
01:48:27.000And if you look at a lot of the film that we've gotten on the ground, both Turning Point USA Frontlines and other independent journalists, the city council meetings, those citizens are fed up.
01:50:13.000The CNN one and also the one from Springfield, Ohio I sent, which are both great.
01:50:18.000Another CNN focus group that I want to watch from Erie, Pennsylvania.
01:50:23.000And look, I'm looking through these headlines.
01:50:26.000You would think that they'd be far more in favor.
01:50:28.000Okay, yeah, this is from Paternity.USA Frontlines talking about... So do you know that the number one thing that our Frontlines people are hearing in Springfield, Ohio right now?
01:53:16.000It was very similar to when we decided to invade Iraq back under President Bush.
01:53:22.000And when I saw that we were leaving that amount of high-tech equipment in the hands of our enemy, And later that day, or later that week, I saw on the news were them celebrating with our guns in their hands.
01:53:36.000A, in the loss of money that we abandoned when we left, plus the very bullets that we left there that they were shooting at us as we flew away in the planes.
01:54:52.000Yeah, I did, because I've got a really good friend, just say, a guy I served in the military with, who is from Ohio, was in my wedding, kind of type guy, and he texted me during the debate.
01:55:46.000They are lining their pockets with federal government taxpayer cash, and it's the Great Replacement.
01:55:51.000of this migrant invasion. Yep, you know, they are lining their pockets with federal government
01:55:57.000taxpayer cash and it's the great replacement. And there's no replacement. And we flew them here.
01:56:02.000Just so we're clear. Yes, Andrew? And we flew them here on taxpayer dollars, which is infuriating.
01:56:07.000But, you know, something, Charlie, that came up in the debate tonight was gun control.
01:56:11.000Trump constantly hammered Kamala on the fact that she wants to take your guns away.
01:56:15.000And then she said, well, listen, me and Tim Walz are both gun owners, so don't tell me that I want to take away your guns.
01:56:21.000Well, the problem with that is, Charlie, you look at those Springfield, Ohio clips, and how many of those residents were like, yeah, I'm packing now because I feel unsafe.
01:56:29.000In my community, because I'm walking by strangers who don't speak my language that are, you know, throwing mattresses in my yard and littering and crashing into things and eating, you know, wildlife and slash pets.
01:56:42.000A lot of them are now, you know, armed to protect themselves.
01:56:46.000And meanwhile, Kamala Harris is lying about her gun stance.
01:56:49.000And we have the tapes, like, you know, from 2019 of Kamala Harris endorsing gun confiscation.
01:58:10.000We have to get these guns off the street.
01:58:13.000But I also, you know, I have faith in the American people to know that, you know, that we want to comply with our laws and that I know that to be true.
01:58:25.000That's a gun confiscation program that she is sponsoring, just so we are clear.
01:59:14.000This is what these people, this is why I'm saying, I don't think anybody's falling for this crap.
01:59:19.000I think she's transparent and phony, and she does all the things that her consultants and handlers told her to say, and I really don't think this is landing.
01:59:28.000The more I sit with this, the more I'm just convinced.
02:00:53.000Be demoralized because the press is trying to do it.
02:00:56.000Your only takeaway from this should be ABC News is really evil and we're going to say it as long as we're not simulcasting their debate and not allowed to say it.
02:01:29.000And I remember we were all resonating with that because he was like, and I told him, Abdul, you're gonna have problems because she tried to make it see.
02:01:36.000I mean, what a heck of a spin job from Kamala Harris to try and act like something that they did in Afghanistan, which everybody knows is a historic humiliation that they just got crucified in the congressional report.
02:01:54.000Biden's poll numbers never recovered from Jack, final thoughts?
02:01:57.000it like it was Trump's fault. And so Trump reacts and goes, Abdul, I told him Abdul,
02:02:02.000you know, it just hit. It just was a really good moment.
02:02:06.000Trending number two, number two on X, people love it. And all the comments are positive. So that's
02:02:12.000kind of a random aside, but an interesting observation, nonetheless. Jack, final