The Charlie Kirk Show - The Sinister Rise of Race Marxism with Dr. James Lindsay

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00:01:36.000 I have been really looking forward to this conversation.

00:01:40.000 He's been on our show many times, and I look forward to exploring some big ideas.

00:01:45.000 And I just have so much respect for this man.

00:01:48.000 He's so wise and so interesting.

00:01:50.000 And he has been one of the few people that has been willing to really critique the woke industrial complex.

00:01:57.000 He is the author of a new book called Race Marxism, The Truth About Critical Race Theory and Praxis.

00:02:05.000 What is that?

00:02:06.000 Well, we're going to ask him about it.

00:02:07.000 James, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:10.000 Hey, Charlie, what's up?

00:02:12.000 So, first, I can't find your book anywhere except in the Kindle edition.

00:02:15.000 What's that all about?

00:02:17.000 What it's about is that we're publishing it through the Amazon Direct Publishing through the New Discourses imprint from our own company, New Discourses, rather than going through a big box.

00:02:28.000 So, that's the only option they give for pre-order.

00:02:30.000 So, you can pre-order the Kindle now.

00:02:32.000 The paperback will be available on the 15th of February, so it's coming soon.

00:02:37.000 And I have a pretend paperback here, so it really will exist.

00:02:43.000 But pre-orders are Kindle only until the 15th.

00:02:46.000 Very good.

00:02:47.000 Tell us about the book.

00:02:49.000 So, you know, there's no honest word about critical race theory out there.

00:02:52.000 There's a lot of stuff that is critical race theory, being critical race theory, and, you know, doing what critical race theory does in its own words within its kind of own bubble of interpretation.

00:03:05.000 And then there's virtually nothing from the outside because people who are outside of critical race theory very rarely have the interest to dig deep.

00:03:12.000 Of course, it's changed over the last year or two.

00:03:15.000 So there's no like truly deep dive that explains what critical race theory really is.

00:03:20.000 And so I wanted to fill that niche.

00:03:22.000 It's obviously the hottest topic in the world.

00:03:24.000 I think it's, or one of them.

00:03:25.000 I think it's one of the most dangerous subjects that we're dealing with in the world right now.

00:03:30.000 So I felt like it was an important niche to fill.

00:03:33.000 So it covers what is the definition of critical race theory?

00:03:36.000 How does critical race theory operate like a belief system?

00:03:39.000 And what are its beliefs?

00:03:41.000 Where did this come from?

00:03:42.000 Where did those ideas come from, tracking all the way back to Marx and Hegel and Rousseau?

00:03:47.000 And then how does it work?

00:03:48.000 And then finally, what are some ideas of things we might be able to do about critical race theory since it is here?

00:03:54.000 So you have an interesting word on your cover, praxis.

00:03:56.000 That's where we get our English word practice from.

00:04:00.000 What is praxis, praxeology, and why would you put that on your cover, the study of human action?

00:04:06.000 Well, it's because the Marxists use that word in place of the word practice to mean practice that is informed by their theory.

00:04:15.000 And so, what they actually believe, I know you said we're going to go deep, it depends on how deep you want to go, but they actually believe that if you are doing activity that's not informed by theory, then your activity is probably either illegitimate or maybe even part of the problem.

00:04:31.000 And so, you have to be in this kind of continual relationship with your activity.

00:04:36.000 So, you go out and do some activism, or you interact in the world, or you hold some beliefs within yourself, and you constantly need to be reflecting against theory.

00:04:44.000 In other words, Marxian theory or Marxist theory to better understand what you're doing, why you're doing it, and so on, and advancing that theory's implementation.

00:04:53.000 So, praxis is basically the word that means the implementation of a Marxist theory.

00:04:59.000 And so, what you see in particular is what you'll see a lot of people argue that critical race theory is not being taught in schools.

00:05:07.000 But the truth is that critical race praxis, which installs critical race theory ideas, is what's happening in schools.

00:05:14.000 They are actually implementing critical race theory rather than teaching the theory in a detached way.

00:05:19.000 And that's their little linguistic trick to get around it.

00:05:22.000 And we're seeing that at every corner.

00:05:24.000 So, I'll give you an example here that I want to explore with you in Denver.

00:05:27.000 You probably saw this.

00:05:28.000 Denver Elementary School receives backlash for participating in Black Lives Matter Week of Action.

00:05:33.000 Maybe you saw this or not.

00:05:35.000 And so, maybe you can explain this to me.

00:05:37.000 So, they have this list of 13 guiding principles that seem kind of just completely random, but not to a trained eye.

00:05:46.000 So, you're going to tell us why it actually makes sense.

00:05:48.000 Restorative justice, empathy, loving engagement, diversity, globalism, transgender affirming, queer affirming, collective value, intergenerational black families, black villages, black women, and unapologetically black. 0.89

00:06:00.000 How do I make sense of that?

00:06:02.000 Well, there are two things to make sense of.

00:06:04.000 Why is it in the schools?

00:06:05.000 Well, because what critical race theory does, and what you'd find if you end up picking up race Marxism reading chapter five, all critical race theory does is attempts to make more critical race theorists.

00:06:16.000 The religion of critical, and then put them in positions of power, I should add. 0.73

00:06:21.000 The religion of Marxism in general, or of critical race theory, more in specific as a kind of race-based denomination within that broader Marxist faith, believes that when everybody has the right consciousness, that they're going to use that consciousness to put action into the world.

00:06:37.000 There's your praxis.

00:06:38.000 And when everybody's putting the correct practice into the world or praxis into the world, then what you're going to eventually have is the utopia.

00:06:46.000 The communists called it communism, and the Marxists of today, using things like critical race theory, call it justice, which is just a euphemism for communism as they like to do.

00:06:56.000 So, why are they doing this in the schools?

00:06:58.000 Well, because that's all they do.

00:07:00.000 They literally think that it is not just appropriate, but necessary to replace the lessons in every single subject with consciousness raising.

00:07:08.000 And if it's critical race theory, it's racial consciousness raising.

00:07:11.000 You mentioned queer and transgender, so you have to have the queer, gender, whole sex, sexuality universe consciousness raising in terms of that being its own Marxist approach to identity.

00:07:24.000 And so, what you see there is the entire grab bag under this doctrine of intersectionality: that all of the various forms of oppression, as they call it, which means communists not getting their way, have to be considered all at once in this kind of huge bucket.

00:07:41.000 So, you have to talk about race constantly.

00:07:43.000 You have to talk about how we don't have a perfect global communist world order because that oppresses people who are in, say, the third world, as you might say it, to the advantage of the first world. 0.94

00:07:54.000 You have to talk about how people who are held under normative expectations of sex, gender, and sexuality are being oppressed and being kept out of their ability to enter into actually what turns out to be the Marxist religious practice, which is that of transition.

00:08:12.000 Transition, the process of becoming from what was to something different is, in fact, the whole program.

00:08:19.000 So what this is, is just an attempt to use identity.

00:08:23.000 factors and global politics and liberation politics that have always been kind of communist programs to push communism into the schools because that's all they do.

00:08:34.000 Because if they can awaken that consciousness in a new generation of kids, get them to break away from the previous culture, get them to hate their parents, get them to hate their parents' faith, get them to hate the cultural values that have built this country, then they can get that ground, that ground becomes tilled and prepared for them to have a revolution and then start a new society.

00:08:54.000 You say it's a religion.

00:08:55.000 I totally agree.

00:08:56.000 This sounds as if it would be like the Great Commission, like go make disciples of all nations, go lead them up in positions of authority.

00:09:03.000 You call this a religion.

00:09:04.000 It sure sounds like one.

00:09:06.000 Yeah, I mean, we can go really deep into how it's a religion, but that Great Commission thing is exactly right.

00:09:10.000 Consciousness raising is the name of their Great Commission, and they believe that if that there are two types of people, in essence, there are people who see the power dynamics that structure all of society.

00:09:21.000 That's called structuralism, and that's the heart of the Marxist belief system.

00:09:24.000 And then there are people who are either naive or willfully ignorant to it and don't see it.

00:09:29.000 So there are the people who see it and people who don't.

00:09:31.000 And what they believe is that if they can go and get people to basically be born again through the work into conscientized people, then they can have their revolution and their new world.

00:09:43.000 Well, I just find it so interesting.

00:09:45.000 And I'm not going to get into your metaphysics here on the show, but, you know, I wouldn't call you a Christian.

00:09:52.000 Maybe you are.

00:09:52.000 I don't know.

00:09:52.000 The point is that just from an objective onlooker, they basically just kind of carbon copied the entire commission of Christianity and incorporated it into this hyper-politicized secular religion.

00:10:08.000 It's upside down.

00:10:09.000 It's totally upside down.

00:10:11.000 Exactly.

00:10:11.000 And I find that to be so fascinating.

00:10:14.000 In the coming segments, I want to ask you about Rousseau and kind of where he fits into this.

00:10:19.000 One of the three social contract theorists that we talk about on the show, because there were Hobbes, Rousseau, and Locke, and they all got some things correct.

00:10:26.000 Rousseau was right about some things.

00:10:27.000 He was terribly wrong about others.

00:10:29.000 But I'm interested, because you know the literature a lot better than I do, where he was the, where he derived the most inspiration behind what we now know as CRT.

00:10:39.000 I find that to be really interesting because he was a critic of commercial society.

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00:11:57.000 James, tell us about Jean-Jacques Rousseau and the influence he has had on now what is known as critical race theory.

00:12:04.000 You know, it's really funny because, you know, you mentioned he's a social contract theorist and he's really well known for the social contract theory that he put forth.

00:12:12.000 And there actually is a critical race theorist who recently died by the name of Charles Mills, who wrote a book in 97 called The Racial Contract that directly tries to update Rousseau's social contract theory to say that there is a racial contract in our society where all of the people who have access to whiteness silently and secretly collude.

00:12:30.000 They never hear about the contract, but they all play by it.

00:12:32.000 And the point of the contract is to keep whiteness up and to keep other people of other races out of access to whiteness. 0.92

00:12:40.000 And this is really an extraordinary conspiracy theory that he's put forth at the heart of critical race theory.

00:12:45.000 But the much more relevant, rather than social contract theory, part of Rousseau is that Rousseau became fascinated with what became known as the master slave dialectic by looking into, he was reading, and in fact, misreading, misunderstanding things that were being sent back to Europe by colonial priests who were in, say, the Caribbean or other places around the world.

00:13:08.000 And they're sending back what it was like to work with the natives. 0.98

00:13:10.000 And he had this idea of this very, you know, noble savage who had a completely different conception of the world.

00:13:15.000 And he was obviously, as you said, he got some things right and some things wrong, but he was very sour on the idea of reason-based, enlightened society.

00:13:24.000 Yes.

00:13:24.000 And thought that the problems that Europeans were facing were a result of civilization.

00:13:30.000 So he came up with this fantastical notion of creating savages made to live in cities.

00:13:35.000 And this ended up being, you know, something he really put a lot of effort into thinking about this dialectical synthesis, we would call it now, of so-called savages and so-called civilized Europeans, both of whom should be learning from one another and kind of becoming this new averaged thing.

00:13:53.000 And this ended up in the hands of the philosopher Schiller.

00:13:57.000 And Schiller taught it to one of his students by the name of Hegel.

00:14:02.000 And when Schiller taught it to Hegel, he used the word to describe this.

00:14:05.000 He used the German word Alfhaben, which means simultaneously to keep and to abolish or cancel, but also to lift up, which the Marxists translate as sublate, which means to raise to a higher level of consciousness or understanding.

00:14:18.000 And so the master slave dialectic fascination that Rousseau had, combined with his social contract ideas, combined also with his emphasis that reason is too alienating and too dangerous in that regard, and therefore that sentimentality and sincerity are better arbiters of what's true, which spawned the entire Romantic movement, which in a long arc of history led to the postmodern movement.

00:14:45.000 Those pieces all kind of come together to form a lot of the philosophical underpinning that defines how critical race theory operates.

00:14:55.000 A man is born free and he spends the rest of his life in chains, Rousseau famously wrote and would say.

00:15:01.000 And he got some things.

00:15:02.000 How gnostic.

00:15:03.000 I'm sorry?

00:15:04.000 How gnostic to say that?

00:15:06.000 Well, and that's that's one of the great tensions of Rousseau is he hated industrial society, but he benefited a lot from it, actually.

00:15:15.000 He enjoyed it, despite the fact that he hated it, which is a really important point that I want to explore with you in the next segment.

00:15:22.000 That is, we could go really deep into the philosophy of it, but I want to kind of connect all this with a theme of white liberals that have been pushing the kind of cocktail conversation of Black Lives Matter until all of a sudden their kid doesn't get till Princeton.

00:15:34.000 I want to get to that because it really does kind of buttress up against kind of the Rousseauian hypocrisy because he's there, you know, whining and dining in Geneva, Switzerland, while he's telling everyone to stop, you know, enjoying the benefits of a market society.

00:15:50.000 But let me just ask you this in the last minute, which is, so he started romanticism.

00:15:56.000 Some people would say that.

00:15:58.000 How does that connect with kind of the pathological elements of CRT?

00:16:03.000 Well, that's a long, long answer.

00:16:05.000 I can give you a really quick thing.

00:16:07.000 The really quick thing, and this is not the main part of the story, is that Romanticism inspired existentialism, inspired structuralism, inspired postmodernism through post-structuralism.

00:16:18.000 So you have the postmodern element.

00:16:20.000 The other side is that Romanticism inspired this subjective-based, you create the world mentality that William Blake took up.

00:16:27.000 That's so good.

00:16:28.000 And then that Marx took up, and Marx's theology is based in that idea that you as subject create the object in the world outside of it and come to know yourself.

00:16:37.000 Critical race theory calls this the work, just like Marx referred to it as productive work.

00:16:42.000 And it's done with the racial dialectic now instead of the dialectic across economic class.

00:16:47.000 That, you did it in a minute.

00:16:49.000 You don't need an album.

00:16:49.000 You did it.

00:16:50.000 You did it.

00:16:50.000 Both sides.

00:16:51.000 And you said it perfectly.

00:16:52.000 You said that he really started subjectivity in a clinical sense, right?

00:16:58.000 He introduced it.

00:16:59.000 He theorized it.

00:17:01.000 He wasn't the only one.

00:17:02.000 There were some thinkers before him in a more political standpoint, like Machiavelli, who just cared about power, where Rousseau definitely cared more about emotion and feelings and a more pathological or pathos way of looking at it.

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00:18:19.000 So, James, when we look at political movements, we look at these sort of cultural movements, you always try to find the base.

00:18:24.000 You say, what group of people are really making this happen?

00:18:29.000 And I think if we look at the BLM CRT base, it's not the black population that is the driving force of this. 0.83

00:18:37.000 There's a fair amount of support here and there, but it sure seems to be financed, supported, driven forward, and endorsed mainly by upper class, miserable, college-educated, white liberals, specifically white liberal women. 0.63

00:18:52.000 Am I right? 0.95

00:18:53.000 You are pretty much right.

00:18:55.000 I'll tell you, it's funny because I get called racist because I oppose CRT on the internet.

00:18:59.000 I get called racist all the time.

00:19:01.000 So I'll tell you what I did for Martin Luther King weekend.

00:19:03.000 I got invited to speak at a conference in Franklin, Tennessee, where I was the only, this is a Martin Luther King themed conference on the weekend preceding Martin Luther King Day.

00:19:11.000 I was the only white solo speaker invited to the conference.

00:19:15.000 And after I spoke, I had all these black women come up to me, laying hands on me, praying protection over me, you know, all of this. 0.93

00:19:21.000 And they think that critical race theory is of Satan, and they're probably right. 1.00

00:19:25.000 And so what you see actually is that the statistics are that it is white, especially it skews female educated liberals who are the driver of this thing.

00:19:38.000 They are the ones who have been captured by the Marxist ideology, and they are the ones who are pushing it, using race as the thing that they are absolutely most inflamed about, unless it's masks and vaccines.

00:19:51.000 So then let's take that a level deeper because you look at, let's just take ruling class exhibit A, Chuck Schumer.

00:20:01.000 Okay.

00:20:01.000 So Chuck Schumer, he just says what he needs to say, all this sort of stuff.

00:20:04.000 Let's say Chuck Schumer's grandson wants to go to Yale or Princeton.

00:20:09.000 I don't think the Schumer family will be happy if they lose out to some kid from Brooklyn because he's black.

00:20:16.000 At what point does all of a sudden the white ruling class or the white upper middle class that has been pushing this all of a sudden maybe realize that they might be harmed or their children might be harmed or their financial interests might be harmed?

00:20:29.000 Have they ever thought that through?

00:20:31.000 Well, they won't be because they get positioned as allies in this power struggle.

00:20:36.000 And so allies means that you're on the correct side of this.

00:20:39.000 If you look at it kind of from the Maoist perspective, where he creates all these demonized identities and then gives you, you know, good revolutionary identities you can get into to get out of that problem, becoming a so-called ally moves you into a revolutionary identity.

00:20:53.000 So as long as people like Chuck Schumer and so on keep doing what they're doing, their kids are not going to be threatened.

00:20:58.000 Now, your average middle class and even upper middle class white person is probably going to be threatened.

00:21:03.000 Certainly, we're looking at it right now with the Supreme Court that if those people are Asian, it's super being threatened.

00:21:09.000 But you have to understand that these elite universities like Harvard and Princeton and Yale and so on need to be best understood as hedge funds that are betting on kids.

00:21:16.000 And what they care about most of all is how moldable those kids are to ideology and how socially connected their families are.

00:21:23.000 That's ultimately all they really care about.

00:21:25.000 And so the game is really to bring in ideologically moldable kids.

00:21:29.000 Anybody who says they're an ally is obviously ideologically moldable and who are in well-connected families because that's what they're actually hedging on so they can keep their endowments growing.

00:21:38.000 It's a very crooked, very corrupt system in these elite colleges and universities.

00:21:43.000 So those people actually don't have to worry.

00:21:45.000 Now, your average upper class middle, upper middle class white liberal should be worrying, but won't because that would be racist.

00:21:52.000 And they've been cowed into fear about worrying about the realities of what they're supporting or they're just completely naive to the realities of what they're supporting or some combination of both.

00:22:04.000 So are the CRT people, are they explicit about trying to play into people's white guilt?

00:22:11.000 And where does white guilt come from?

00:22:13.000 It's a very, it's a religious question when you really think about it.

00:22:16.000 How does one deal with guilt, right?

00:22:18.000 You know, from the Christian faith, of which I am a believer, there's a very specific way to deal with guilt, to deal with sin, right?

00:22:26.000 And the Catholic tradition has a way to deal with it through the Eucharist or through confession, the evangelical world, through worship, through praise, and through asking the Lord for forgiveness.

00:22:34.000 And that's a big deal because the dealing, how you deal with guilt basically explains a lot of how your society functions.

00:22:42.000 Talk a little about white guilt.

00:22:43.000 It's something I'm really interested in.

00:22:45.000 Yeah, it is actually.

00:22:47.000 Obviously, the title of Shelby Steele's book, White Guilt, points you in his direction if you really want to understand the mechanism that he identified as well.

00:22:56.000 A lot of people, just to say it, think that Shelby Steele wrote a book called White Guilt Must Be Woke.

00:23:00.000 He's no, he's based conservative.

00:23:03.000 And he's saying that as a black radical from the 70s and the 60s, that he participated in the extortion side of this racket and then came to understand it.

00:23:03.000 He's great.

00:23:14.000 And so they are manipulating guilt.

00:23:15.000 What I've actually realized, and I saw it more because of the COVID, the masks, the vaccine bullying, and all of this.

00:23:21.000 I saw it more from there than I did originally in CRT, but now I see how it applies in both.

00:23:26.000 What I noticed is that if you want to affect a tyranny, if you want to make a tyranny come about, the best way to do that is to take some category of people who are kind of not aware of really what's going on.

00:23:38.000 They're actually somewhat low information, who are very proud of themselves, but most importantly, that they're very comfortable.

00:23:43.000 They are comfortable.

00:23:44.000 They are ensconced.

00:23:45.000 They're wrapped in cotton and wool and they have no idea.

00:23:47.000 They've not bounced around off the world.

00:23:49.000 And then you make them really, really scared that they're going to be, you know, a disease vector or they're going to die of a disease.

00:23:56.000 That's the COVID side.

00:23:58.000 Or that they're racist.

00:24:01.000 And then you give them a way to absolve themselves, like you said, of that guilt by enacting the practices, the cult practices that you want them to enact.

00:24:09.000 So maybe it's that they're going to go yell at people who aren't vaccinated and make sure they can't come into the establishments.

00:24:14.000 They're going to apparently say Black Lives Matter and punch a black guy in an elevator for not wearing a mask at the same time because they're scared of that.

00:24:23.000 Or maybe it's that they're going to go around and call everybody else racist, lest anybody discover that they're not totally racially pure or that they're not secure in the fact that they can deal with other people.

00:24:34.000 And so that's how you mobilize a mask that actually will do your bidding for you.

00:24:38.000 You find the most comfortable group of people and you make them scared or morally sickened with themselves and whip them into a frenzy and then give them a set of activist practices that they can do that absolves that guilt rather than if it's confession, repentance, Eucharist, etc.

00:24:55.000 You know, the religions actually did a great job of coming up with ways, well, most cases, of dealing with the facts of actual guilt.

00:25:05.000 And this as a religion has its own mechanism for doing so, which is that you have to become an activist.

00:25:11.000 You must engage in praxis.

00:25:13.000 You must adopt theory.

00:25:14.000 You have to quote unquote do the work.

00:25:16.000 Yeah, so yeah, do the work, become an ally, do the praxis.

00:25:20.000 That is the CRT's Eucharist.

00:25:23.000 That's their equivalent of going to church, going to mass.

00:25:27.000 That's the equivalent.

00:25:28.000 We have the cut actually ready.

00:25:28.000 It's so funny.

00:25:30.000 Cut 88 is the white liberal women screaming at the black person about the mask. 0.72

00:25:35.000 We had it queued up.

00:25:35.000 I was going to play it anyway.

00:25:36.000 So play the tape.

00:25:38.000 Get out.

00:25:40.000 Get out.

00:25:41.000 What are you guys doing now?

00:25:42.000 Get out.

00:25:42.000 What are you guys doing?

00:25:45.000 Don't you have to do it?

00:25:47.000 Get out of touch.

00:25:47.000 Get out.

00:25:48.000 I'm not touching you.

00:25:49.000 Did you just hit me?

00:25:50.000 Did you not see me? 0.91

00:25:52.000 You just hit me. 0.85

00:25:53.000 You too.

00:25:55.000 Yo, get out of Black Lives Matter. 1.00

00:26:00.000 Stop.

00:26:01.000 No, stop.

00:26:02.000 I don't know you.

00:26:02.000 Stop recording me.

00:26:03.000 Yo, you need to stop.

00:26:05.000 I'm not getting out.

00:26:06.000 I was yesterday.

00:26:10.000 Modernity is awesome.

00:26:12.000 Yeah.

00:26:13.000 Post-modernity.

00:26:14.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:15.000 That's true.

00:26:17.000 I mean, this is the stuff of fantasy novels.

00:26:19.000 I want to ask you a question, though, because that was a really interesting thing, which it goes to a broader point that we could spend a whole hour on, which is an essay I wrote that is this matters more than that, trying to unpack the hierarchy of the oppression of the collectivists.

00:26:34.000 And it's not really clear what matters more than that, because at that moment, those people are obviously liberals.

00:26:41.000 So they know the incantation, right?

00:26:44.000 So they know the Nicene Creed, which is Black Lives Matter.

00:26:48.000 But the thing that mattered most at that moment was the medical industrial complex, right?

00:26:55.000 So all of a sudden, medical tyranny, instead of saying, you know, our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, at that moment, it's like, you're not wearing your mask.

00:27:04.000 So explain that for me, James.

00:27:06.000 Have you seen in certain instances?

00:27:08.000 I certainly have, certain things take a temporary, maybe permanent place in the hierarchy above the hyperracialization of America. 0.70

00:27:15.000 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:27:17.000 The vaccine thing was pushed super hard and played into deep existential fears by the narratives that they threw out.

00:27:24.000 You remember, they gave us these models that, like, I think everybody was going to die.

00:27:28.000 I actually got told by somebody in person who's an educated guy with an advanced degree that if we didn't all get vaccinated, and of course, this is fake news.

00:27:36.000 misinformation if you believed it.

00:27:38.000 But he actually told me that if we didn't all get vaccinated very soon, that within five years, 99% of the population would be dead, which I don't understand how that works because the survival rate of the virus itself is incredibly higher than 90%.

00:27:50.000 You keep on having children, too.

00:27:51.000 How does that even work?

00:27:52.000 It's just, yeah, and so it turns out that fear is stronger than guilt in terms of being able to whip somebody up.

00:27:59.000 You take a comfort.

00:28:00.000 That video, in fact, is where you see that comfortable, that set of people who have been comfortable their entire lives.

00:28:07.000 They've been given existential fear.

00:28:08.000 They've been made very uncomfortable.

00:28:10.000 And that apparently hitting somebody and overriding their racial guilt issues while invoking the Black Lives Matter magic spell simultaneously for no apparent clear reason. 0.52

00:28:19.000 Like you can clear, you can tell there's clearly no logic behind what's going on now.

00:28:23.000 It's just acting out of fear.

00:28:25.000 But they know that if they can bully somebody into wearing a mask, getting away from them, et cetera, then they are taking an action that absolves them of that fear that they have.

00:28:35.000 Fear is actually stronger than guilt.

00:28:37.000 And so the vaccine has been, and all of the different weird COVID demands and policies have actually taken up a higher position.

00:28:47.000 And it's, of course, unveiling a lot of contradictions.

00:28:49.000 Like the vaccine passports actually impact black and brown, if you will, people far more than they do white people on average.

00:28:55.000 And so now we've literally recreated medical segregation, not just of so-called people who have not yet got vaccinated.

00:29:01.000 I don't call them unvaccinated because vaccinated is not the default.

00:29:04.000 They're people who did not get vaccinated.

00:29:06.000 They're people by default.

00:29:08.000 But is that so complicated, really?

00:29:12.000 But I even forgot my point that I was going to make.

00:29:15.000 I see with that, though, that, you know, there are all these behaviors that you have to take against those people in order to absolve your fear.

00:29:21.000 And this is exactly how you affect a tyranny.

00:29:23.000 Critical race theory does it with race, gets that existential guilt going about your even generational guilt going.

00:29:30.000 But with the vaccine stuff, you have the exact same model that people have now been primed for.

00:29:34.000 Be very tribal.

00:29:36.000 You're either with us or against us.

00:29:38.000 You're either fighting this, resisting 100%, or you're complicit.

00:29:42.000 That entire mentality that's been mainstreamed through these critical theories for a while now, especially the last year and a half, has now been completely attached to vaccine policy, mask policy, et cetera, as though these people are saving not just themselves, but the world in the process.

00:29:58.000 There's a COVID-0 false hope or faith that's driving them.

00:30:03.000 And it's ultimately a fear-based religion.

00:30:05.000 And so it's higher up in the hierarchy right now.

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00:31:11.000 James, what is the trans-queer intersectionality of all this?

00:31:15.000 I can't quite make sense of this.

00:31:17.000 That's the hot mess, man.

00:31:19.000 So, trans is obviously something that's going on within the broader umbrella of queer theory.

00:31:24.000 Queer theory is just another dimension. 0.99

00:31:26.000 Critical race theory is one dimension of identity Marxism, as we might call it, or woke Marxism.

00:31:31.000 Queer theory is another dimension. 0.97

00:31:33.000 It looks like it's different, but it's actually exactly the same.

00:31:37.000 Instead of using race, it uses sex, gender, and sexuality as or anything non-normative, as it's so mental illness, for example, as its places that it does its operation.

00:31:49.000 And so, the definition of queer means it is literally an identity without an essence.

00:31:54.000 That's Halperin's definition of queer, which means that it is an identity that is not defined in and of itself, but is defined in opposition to anything that's considered dominant, normal, normative, expected, or commonplace.

00:32:08.000 So, if there are, you know, men and women are two sexes that are different from one another and they're complementary in whatever ways, we could get biblical about that straight from the very beginning of Genesis if you want.

00:32:18.000 We don't have to.

00:32:19.000 However, you want to view that.

00:32:21.000 I mean, it could be biology, it could be just an obvious fact.

00:32:24.000 Well, that becomes normal to think, and therefore, queer has to resist that by its definition. 0.99

00:32:29.000 So, it's like an identity that's an anti-identity.

00:32:33.000 It's anything that might be solid.

00:32:35.000 Well, it must be.

00:32:36.000 Here's my question, though, James.

00:32:37.000 And we only have three minutes.

00:32:38.000 And I don't know if it's the studio.

00:32:41.000 Can we go over a little bit?

00:32:43.000 Yeah, can you stay like an extra 10 minutes on top of the radio?

00:32:47.000 This is a really important thing, and this is the tension that I don't understand.

00:32:50.000 They say black identity matters, all while simultaneously saying that you could choose your own identity.

00:32:58.000 What?

00:32:59.000 Which is it?

00:33:00.000 It is inherently contradictory.

00:33:02.000 It's either identity is real and objective reality, or it isn't.

00:33:07.000 It is, but these are left and right hands of the same beast.

00:33:11.000 And they actually theorize identity differently because they see what's causing the imposition of identity as different.

00:33:17.000 So, with queer theory, reality itself is imposing identity. 0.95

00:33:21.000 So, they have to reject that.

00:33:22.000 With critical race theory, they say that the races are socially constructed categories that are being imposed by white people who want to keep their power base.

00:33:30.000 So, that's what you have to resist.

00:33:32.000 So, in that sense, they're actually the same thing, but you cannot choose your racial identity because your racial identity is determined for you by the power dynamics being put out by white people according to the doctrine of whiteness that they have. 0.61

00:33:45.000 And then, with queer theory, you can choose and, in fact, must choose your identity because otherwise, people who believe in biology are trying to enforce an identity upon you. 0.70

00:33:55.000 And so, that's where the imposition of identity comes from.

00:33:58.000 And the imposition of identity is a thing that's limiting your subjectivity.

00:34:01.000 To go back to the Marxian theology, your subjectivity is being limited, thus, your ability to create the objective world in which you inhabit and know yourself as its creator is limited, and that's considered arbitrary.

00:34:12.000 So, that's where you resolve the tension.

00:34:14.000 But in practice, you see this clear contradiction, you see this clear struggle, and then you see this clear fight, as you mentioned before the break, with like Dave Chappelle.

00:34:22.000 He apparently used his white privilege, the article tells us because he made jokes about trans people.

00:34:27.000 Um, and to just point out, then what you obviously can derive from all of that is that none of this is meant to make sense, it is all meant only to exert control and power over people that are saying and doing things you don't want them to do using any tool, calling them racist, accusing them of whatever other evil that you can possibly do in order to get that control.

00:34:45.000 You explained it better than anyone else that I could think of.

00:34:49.000 I still am confused by it, and you understand why I'm confused because it is like a subjective-objective kind of tension where part of their whole thing is like what matters is that we are black and that is who we are, and you can't be black, and we're in the cool kids club.

00:35:05.000 Okay, fine, whatever.

00:35:07.000 That's weird and racist.

00:35:08.000 All the while being like, hey, anyone can change their gender to be anything they want to be, and there's no such thing as objective identity.

00:35:15.000 Who am I to say?

00:35:16.000 It's like in the same kind of sentence, it's an inherent contradiction.

00:35:21.000 And your point is a great one.

00:35:22.000 It's supposed to be confusing.

00:35:23.000 It doesn't, that's supposed to make sense.

00:35:24.000 It's not Newtonian physics, right?

00:35:26.000 This is a mess.

00:35:27.000 It's a hurricane.

00:35:28.000 It's a dumpster fire.

00:35:32.000 So did what I say make sense? 0.58

00:35:35.000 This kind of we our identity really matters by the way, your identity could be anything you want it to be because they don't believe in transracialism, but they believe in transgenderism.

00:35:47.000 Right.

00:35:48.000 How is that possible?

00:35:49.000 Okay, so what you said does make sense, but I need to break this down to you.

00:35:53.000 Like I had a good grasp on it, but now I have a really good grasp on it in just the past couple months.

00:35:58.000 And so I'm going to go backwards in history a little bit to Marx.

00:36:02.000 And so Marx has this belief that what you are doing is that you are you are a man within a continuum of history that began when man started to bootstrap himself out of being an animal by doing productive work.

00:36:16.000 So work is what makes where you picture the product of your work in your mind, then you bring it into reality and come to know yourself as a creator.

00:36:24.000 In case you wondered if it's a heresy against Christianity, obviously yes. 0.99

00:36:28.000 Okay.

00:36:29.000 So what that does is it creates what he said is social relations because you have all these different people doing that, some of whom become dominant over others by getting them to work for them.

00:36:40.000 So if I hire you, you are not bringing your vision of the world into being anymore.

00:36:45.000 You're bringing mine into being and I give you money, but obviously it's not worth it because I've stolen your spiritual, your path to spiritual renewal and realization.

00:36:54.000 So I'm exploiting you.

00:36:55.000 And so you're bringing my vision into reality.

00:36:57.000 And it sounds like this isn't going to be connected to any of this, but what this creates is a superstructure of people who dominate and an infrastructure of people who produce.

00:37:05.000 And those are in what he calls dialectical tension with one another and create a structure to society.

00:37:12.000 And that structure of society actually determines what society looks like at that stage of history.

00:37:18.000 History is in fact the trajectory of all of those structures of society unfolding as they progress toward a utopia when all the contradictions inherent in there are resolved and everybody is of one collective unified social mind, socialist mind or communist mind.

00:37:35.000 And so what does this have to do with critical race theory and queer theory and how does it make them the same?

00:37:40.000 It turns out that identity is constructed by that structure, which is created by the social relations that they believe are the only real interpretation of anything.

00:37:50.000 So what it doesn't matter, is it race?

00:37:51.000 Is it sex, gender, sexuality, everything?

00:37:53.000 It's all socially constructed.

00:37:55.000 In other words, it is a matter of these social relations between people who have power and people who don't have power.

00:38:01.000 And so with the identity question, identity Marxism, what it actually boils is very simple when you understand it.

00:38:07.000 What it boils down to is that that structure is imposing your identity on you one way or another.

00:38:12.000 So with race, the white people created white supremacy to justify their access to whiteness and the exclusion of all others.

00:38:20.000 So race is imposed. 0.72

00:38:21.000 And Kimberly Crenshaw says that identifying as a minoritized race or black becomes an anchor for your subjectivity.

00:38:28.000 So you can participate in this Marxist creation project for yourself.

00:38:32.000 What's happening in queer theory is that they don't believe that material reality is anything except the social relations limiting the range of your subjectivity.

00:38:43.000 Michelle Foucault referred to it as expanding the potentialities of being to challenge this.

00:38:48.000 So you were born, say, with male genitalia, XY chromosomes, et cetera, and your doctor imposed maleness on you by assigning your sex at birth.

00:38:58.000 And so you have now had your identity imposed upon you by belief in that reality being objective and outside of yourself rather than your subjective identity being central.

00:39:10.000 And so you get to enter, if you believe in this religion, into a dialectical process of transforming or transitioning by recognizing your subjectivity is first.

00:39:19.000 And so your resistance against that which has been imposed upon you, whether in race or in sex, gender, sexuality, or mental illness, disability status, fat status, et cetera, that becomes your anchor of subjectivity through which you can do the work and start to become more and more and more so-called social man at the enlightened end of history.

00:39:42.000 So it really is the same thing, but you have to understand that they believe that everything is imposed upon you by the social relations that limit your range of imagination, basically, and that expanding that by resisting whatever's been imposed on you is the relevant way to go.

00:40:01.000 Yeah, I see that.

00:40:03.000 I just still see a contradiction inherent in.

00:40:05.000 Well, there is a contradiction, but it's because they decided to use race by, I'm going to embrace my race and throw it back at you.

00:40:14.000 Yes, no, that's exactly right.

00:40:17.000 And that makes sense.

00:40:19.000 So let's talk a little bit about something that people ask all the time.

00:40:23.000 What do these people want?

00:40:24.000 And this is where really Hegelianism, I think, is really important to build out.

00:40:28.000 We don't have to go too deep into the phenomenology of spirit.

00:40:32.000 I've never read Hegel.

00:40:33.000 You have.

00:40:33.000 You've read it for me.

00:40:34.000 And that's it.

00:40:36.000 I love it.

00:40:37.000 People say, I've read Hegel.

00:40:38.000 He made the simple complex.

00:40:40.000 The best thinkers make the complex simple, like you.

00:40:42.000 Big difference.

00:40:43.000 But he definitely changed history.

00:40:45.000 Get it?

00:40:46.000 Because whenever you think, someone asked me, they said, Charlie, can you explain Hegel in a minute or less?

00:40:50.000 No.

00:40:51.000 But here's just kind of a summary.

00:40:52.000 Whenever you think of Hegel, just think of history.

00:40:54.000 It's that simple.

00:40:55.000 He looked at things as a historical trajectory towards what?

00:40:59.000 Talk a little bit about that because there's something that people struggle with.

00:41:02.000 Everyday people, they hear it.

00:41:03.000 They're like, okay, that's fine.

00:41:04.000 But do these people really believe this?

00:41:06.000 What do they want?

00:41:07.000 What's their end game, James?

00:41:10.000 Well, what they want is power to enforce their consciousness on the world.

00:41:14.000 Because if you wanted a little bit more fleshed out summary of Hegel and Marx takes off from Hegel and all of this kind of flows from there, Hegel's idea is that nothing is.

00:41:26.000 Everything becomes.

00:41:28.000 So there you have it in four words.

00:41:30.000 Nothing is, everything becomes.

00:41:32.000 So good.

00:41:33.000 Right.

00:41:33.000 And so a God that is, I am the I am, I am the Alpha, the Omega.

00:41:37.000 No, no, no.

00:41:38.000 God becomes.

00:41:39.000 And how does it become through the thinking and life processes of human beings doing the work?

00:41:46.000 They start within their subjective view, their idealistic view for Hegel, their analysis and interpretation of their material conditions for Marx.

00:41:54.000 They create what they envision in the world from their mind and they come to know themselves through their own production, the object they create.

00:42:02.000 So they start as subject, have a vision for an object, create the object, and they in fact make themselves their own object.

00:42:08.000 They make society their own object.

00:42:10.000 They make the human species its own object that they are doing the work on.

00:42:14.000 And so everything's in a state of becoming.

00:42:16.000 Now, they believe that if we all get on board with this and we all do it correctly and we all do it long enough and if it's enforced strongly enough, that eventually all the contradictions between all of these different perspectives of subjective ideas will eventually resolve themselves and we will emanatize an eschaton, a very religious concept.

00:42:34.000 We will enter into a state of perfection where the state is no longer called a synthesis.

00:42:40.000 Exactly.

00:42:41.000 We'll enter total synthetic, perfect reality.

00:42:44.000 Like the Matrix, that was the utopia that they said in the movie crashed because the humans rejected it.

00:42:50.000 Even the Matrix, which is extremely critical theory oriented, like understood that this is a disaster in the making.

00:42:56.000 So that's the basic idea.

00:42:58.000 So what they want is as many people to believe their faith as possible, this dialectical becoming faith where nothing is.

00:43:05.000 The world is becoming.

00:43:07.000 Mankind is becoming.

00:43:08.000 You are becoming.

00:43:10.000 God is becoming.

00:43:11.000 God doesn't know himself until his creation reveals himself to himself in the Hegelian religion.

00:43:17.000 And Marx takes God out.

00:43:20.000 He says that's mystical nonsense and puts man in himself that creates himself as the deity.

00:43:26.000 And so man, that's that's satanic, by the way.

00:43:29.000 That's Lucifer.

00:43:30.000 Like I read enough of the Bible to know there's your, there's your Lucifer.

00:43:34.000 That was Marx.

00:43:35.000 And so they believe that when you get enough people who have that consciousness that all believe that we're in this process of becoming together, then we're on the road to literally, they put this in their own language.

00:43:47.000 Like Marx said it, Marcuse said it, that we're going to get back into the garden because they view God as a false God who is a jailer and that we can become like that God, throw him out of Eden, and we can get back into Eden, as Herbert Marcuse says in Eros and Civilization, by taking another bite of the fruit of the tree of knowledge.

00:44:08.000 Man, there's so much there to no kidding.

00:44:12.000 Imagine my life right now.

00:44:16.000 So when you look at Hegel and you look at the process through history, he really adopted a Christian concept of the eschaton because we as Christians believe history has a rhythm to it, has a plan that is progressing.

00:44:34.000 A form of Christian thinking that heavy emphasis on this is called dispensationalism, which is very structured of different types of time when God comes and dispenses his grace on his people.

00:44:47.000 So I'll never forget, James, I was having a debate with Vausch, that's his name, right?

00:44:52.000 Vausch on Tim Poole's show.

00:44:55.000 And we got into Hegel.

00:44:56.000 And before the entire audience fell asleep, we've kept it interesting.

00:45:02.000 And he immediately was like, oh, yeah, I think he was totally right.

00:45:05.000 It's like, what are you talking about?

00:45:07.000 He's like, well, don't, he asked me.

00:45:08.000 He said, Charlie, don't you think things are getting better?

00:45:11.000 Don't you think that we're progressing towards like things that are so awesome?

00:45:15.000 I said, you really do believe this, don't you?

00:45:20.000 And it was such an eye-opening thing for me, James, because there was whatever.

00:45:23.000 I wouldn't consider him a thinker, but we had a decent conversation.

00:45:28.000 He was like, no, no, no.

00:45:29.000 All of this tension, all of this collision, this antithesis and thesis and the, and what do you call it, the struggle, the ark bends towards justice.

00:45:42.000 It was really, it was really instructive for me.

00:45:44.000 And you could call it utopia, you could call it heaven on earth, but there is a belief by some of them that they can usher that in.

00:45:53.000 Oh, yeah, they totally believe that.

00:45:55.000 And the thing is, is the ark of history does bend toward, we'll say, progress when you have the correct principles that enable that to happen.

00:46:04.000 When you're actually according, the Christians would say when you're according with God's law or God's will, people outside of the tradition might say when you are doing what actually works, which of course the Christians would say is what has been ordained by God.

00:46:19.000 I'll take both, by the way, just to be clear.

00:46:21.000 Sure, yeah.

00:46:23.000 They are interchangeable.

00:46:26.000 Yeah, they're very close to the same thing.

00:46:28.000 And so the Hegelians don't believe that.

00:46:30.000 They believe that God created the world other to himself so that he might come to know himself.

00:46:34.000 And within the world, he brought the divine idea onto earth.

00:46:39.000 The exact quote is, the state is the divine idea as it exists on earth.

00:46:43.000 So in the Hegelian trinity, the state replaces Jesus, which that's intense.

00:46:49.000 And then that creates a spirit that informs people until the contradictions build up and then you have this revolution.

00:46:54.000 But if you look at the trajectory of real history without some kind of an ideological overlay and isegesis and kind of interpretive terms stuck on it, what you do not see an arc, a steady arc of progress.

00:47:07.000 You see forward movement, you see backwards movement.

00:47:10.000 When the principles are right, people flourish, people do better because they're getting closer to what works.

00:47:14.000 But when they get it wrong, you end up with 100 million dead people in China.

00:47:18.000 No, but that's part of the tension, James.

00:47:20.000 You see that?

00:47:21.000 Exactly.

00:47:22.000 That's their theodicy.

00:47:23.000 That's why evil works is because people decided that they didn't quite have the full enlightenment.

00:47:28.000 So they installed, rather than installing a true social mentality, a true socialist idea, they installed a state capitalism, which is still at its heart capitalist and therefore ran rampant over everything.

00:47:39.000 That's what they criticized Lenin for, who said you need a state capitalism so you can feed the dialectic through that stage to get to the other side.

00:47:46.000 And so they have a perfect explanation that ends with real communism has never been tried for every one of their calamities, that it's just working out the dialectic, no matter how many people have to die, because what's another Hegelian sentence?

00:48:00.000 That history uses people and then discards them.

00:48:04.000 That's dark.

00:48:05.000 I want to ask you.

00:48:06.000 It's real dark.

00:48:07.000 I want to ask you about a thinker that we've been spending a lot of time on here.

00:48:10.000 I believe he started the Enlightenment.

00:48:12.000 You might disagree.

00:48:12.000 You might think it was Spinoza or somebody else.

00:48:14.000 It's Machiavelli.

00:48:15.000 I believe Machiavelli was the beginning of the Enlightenment when basically he argued we could forget these ancestral traditions of Aristotle and Plato and Socrates.

00:48:24.000 We don't need the thinkers of antiquity.

00:48:26.000 We know what we want.

00:48:27.000 Let's just get what we want.

00:48:29.000 In some ways, he was the modern theorist of power dynamics.

00:48:33.000 I don't know if you agree with that.

00:48:35.000 I don't know if you touch on Machiavelli at all.

00:48:37.000 I'm just curious your thoughts.

00:48:38.000 I don't talk about Machiavelli in this book, but as far as the Enlightenment goes, I hate to do this because this is what the critical theorist type people do.

00:48:45.000 The left does this.

00:48:46.000 The Enlightenment spreads out over a lot of different times and has a lot of different ideas.

00:48:50.000 This is also, by the way, relevant to the Martin Luther King question about is, you know, his character versus color characterization.

00:48:58.000 They say it's white people hold that up, you know, believe in content of character rather than color of skin and judge that way.

00:49:05.000 They cherry pick him for that.

00:49:06.000 The same kind of thing is happening here.

00:49:08.000 There actually were multiple things that are referred to as different enlightenments.

00:49:11.000 There was a British Enlightenment or Scottish Enlightenment, French Enlightenment.

00:49:14.000 That's Rousseau.

00:49:15.000 There's a German Enlightenment, which is all this kind of like idealistic idealism.

00:49:19.000 Immanuel Kant came out of idealistic philosophy, Kant, et cetera, critique of pure reason, yada, yada, yada.

00:49:24.000 And of course, Machiavelli would fit within this kind of broad sweeping set of different Enlightenment movements.

00:49:30.000 But the one that mattered, the one that mattered was the Scottish Enlightenment, the British Enlightenment that Rousseau was at war with.

00:49:36.000 And that one was not based in just raw, naked power struggles.

00:49:41.000 It didn't embrace everything to do with what Hobbes had to say either.

00:49:45.000 They were in this kind of, you know, constant brutal struggle.

00:49:50.000 The Scottish Enlightenment was based off of people like Locke, for example, who understand that there is this thing in Hume, of course, that there is this liberty available.

00:49:59.000 And of course, by the way, with Hume, Hume and Rousseau, I don't know if they had like a lover spat.

00:50:04.000 I don't know what happened, but they got in this huge fight and Rousseau decided he hate him and hated him.

00:50:07.000 And then all of a sudden, reason and logic are bad and emotion is good.

00:50:10.000 So, you know, read into that what you want.

00:50:12.000 I don't know what the nature of their friendship was.

00:50:14.000 Maybe it wasn't a relationship, but I'm just saying it was after their fight that he all of a sudden said sentiment and sincerity is more important than reason.

00:50:23.000 But with like Locke, you're really looking at, in particular, the idea that people can be free.

00:50:28.000 And if you go back to what their endowed rights or their natural rights are, what are those?

00:50:34.000 You know, well, the ability to pursue their own happiness was very important for him.

00:50:37.000 So he talked about, well, the only way you can really do that is through having your life protected, your liberty protected, and your property protected.

00:50:46.000 Because if they can't kill you, they can't jail you, and they can't depose you from your means of living in modest comfort, then they can't really control what you say, what you want to do with your time, how you want to engage in business, who you want to associate with, et cetera, et cetera.

00:51:02.000 And so, this Scottish Enlightenment, especially on that political front, is really the thing that changed the world and that has made the illusion that Vausch gets to dip into that isn't stuff just getting better?

00:51:14.000 Because for a very long arc now, it in many ways has.

00:51:18.000 Not always.

00:51:19.000 I mean, we've got some degeneracy going on these days with the internet that's a problem.

00:51:24.000 But in many ways, things have actually become better.

00:51:26.000 And even around that degeneracy, you know, there can be productive uses of some of the things that tip into that that do enable greater amounts of freedom when the responsibility is paired with it that the founders and people like Locke believed were going to be there and immoral people.

00:51:41.000 So that's an anomaly that's caused by having got some conditions right for once.

00:51:48.000 And it's not a guarantee.

00:51:49.000 It's not that everything's just another dialectical warfare figuring out and that there's some utopia at the end.

00:51:55.000 No, it's always trade-offs.

00:51:57.000 It's always a mess.

00:51:58.000 It's always a republic only if you can keep it.

00:52:01.000 And only under such conditions do you really get this illusion of a progressive era.

00:52:08.000 That's so perfectly put.

00:52:09.000 And you're right.

00:52:10.000 There was kind of this piling on of different power thinkers.

00:52:16.000 That's not well put, but you know what I mean.

00:52:18.000 They were all theorizing of who could be.

00:52:20.000 And Machiavelli really kind of started that off.

00:52:23.000 We like Machiavelli on this show because obviously in the political space, so much of what he wrote is playing out around us, especially the subjectivity aspect of it, which is that, you know, power for power's sake is actually something desirable.

00:52:36.000 Okay, so we have like five minutes.

00:52:37.000 Then I have to go to a meeting.

00:52:39.000 But James, what can people do about this?

00:52:40.000 This is, I ask you this all the time.

00:52:42.000 They feel so helpless.

00:52:43.000 They feel as if this is like great reset, globalism, CRT, woke industrial complex.

00:52:47.000 I'm going to go to concentration camp soon if I don't comply.

00:52:50.000 Like people feel super confused.

00:52:52.000 Distill it down to action points.

00:52:54.000 You know, it depends on what you're doing, but what you need to do is you need to be aware that this is real and that you have to do something.

00:53:00.000 That's step one.

00:53:01.000 We've all talked about that don't let the lie come through me.

00:53:05.000 You have to stop lying.

00:53:06.000 You have to resist the lie.

00:53:07.000 I just went to Chicago.

00:53:08.000 They have a vaccine mandate.

00:53:09.000 I refused to tell anybody whether or not I had the vaccine.

00:53:13.000 I would show nobody any vaccination card.

00:53:15.000 And they said, we'll have to treat you like you're unvaccinated. 0.73

00:53:17.000 And I was like, I don't care.

00:53:18.000 I'm not telling you what I am.

00:53:20.000 I just resisted that.

00:53:21.000 And I put on Twitter that I had this big, long set of reflections.

00:53:24.000 And I said, you know, so I ate dinner alone in my room because I wasn't allowed anywhere.

00:53:28.000 I couldn't get into anything.

00:53:29.000 And I ate as a man because I didn't participate.

00:53:32.000 I didn't get, I didn't take a vaccine card.

00:53:35.000 I didn't get a fake vaccine card.

00:53:36.000 I didn't, I didn't participate.

00:53:38.000 I just said, no, I'm not, whether I'm vaccinated or not is irrelevant.

00:53:40.000 I'm not participating in this.

00:53:42.000 And I, I ate with my own dignity fully intact.

00:53:45.000 And it was a great meal.

00:53:47.000 Perfectly happy to sit by myself and eat to not participate in evil.

00:53:50.000 So don't let the lie come into the world through you.

00:53:52.000 Again and again, if you're being asked to lie, to serve assists or to be nice or to look respectable, don't do it. 0.99

00:53:58.000 You don't have to be a jerk, but just don't lie to fit in. 0.99

00:54:03.000 It's so important. 0.99

00:54:04.000 Secondly, you have to make yourself available to other people and to show that you are willing to have this conversation, that you're willing to talk about, to doubt some of this stuff.

00:54:13.000 And then what you can do is gather and get organized.

00:54:16.000 You have to make the information your own.

00:54:18.000 I hate to tell you, I've been saying this for three years.

00:54:21.000 There's no other way.

00:54:22.000 You actually have to learn enough of this to know what's happening so that you can resist it.

00:54:26.000 You don't have to become an expert in the theory like a few of us can do.

00:54:30.000 You have to find your own way, but you do have to internalize some of the knowledge of what's happening.

00:54:34.000 And then you can take smart action.

00:54:35.000 A lot of that's going to be to resist by getting active locally and creating areas.

00:54:40.000 Like, look at how much of a thorn in the Biden administration's side Florida has been.

00:54:45.000 And now Virginia is being.

00:54:47.000 And so you get a couple of these kind of local states, just two states now, putting a real thorn, and Ken Paxton, of course, in Texas, suing.

00:54:55.000 You put these thorns in the sides of these big powers.

00:54:57.000 They really don't know what to do.

00:54:58.000 The way that a tyranny is usually brought down is through sand in the gears.

00:55:02.000 A sand in the gears means small pockets of resistance that are making things difficult, expensive, onerous, time-consuming.

00:55:08.000 And you just keep doing it and doing it and doing it and cause that courage to expand outward.

00:55:13.000 So, you know, get people together, get organized, get informed, own the knowledge, and take action in an organized fashion.

00:55:19.000 Stop basically being Leroy Jenkins and running in and smashing yourself against the machine.

00:55:24.000 Start being smart.

00:55:25.000 Start getting organized.

00:55:26.000 Start thinking local.

00:55:27.000 Get on, you know, any kind of local political board.

00:55:31.000 I just saw the new district map of Florida where they completely ungerrymandered it.

00:55:36.000 It's crazy beautiful.

00:55:38.000 It actually, it's the first one I've ever seen that makes sense.

00:55:40.000 These kinds of things can be done by getting people at the local level starting to take action, working up to the state level, and to just resist this stuff.

00:55:48.000 It's actually empowering and it feels great.

00:55:52.000 You think it's all terrible and awful, but stop doom scrolling too.

00:55:55.000 And by the way, the most important thing people can do, the action step is turn off the news.

00:56:00.000 Stop watching corporate news.

00:56:02.000 It is a psyops.

00:56:03.000 They've said that they were testing psyops techniques through the news, at least in Canada.

00:56:08.000 The Canadian military was doing it to its citizens.

00:56:10.000 You know what was happening in the United States as well.

00:56:13.000 There were articles that came out and said, well, psyops, those are very important.

00:56:16.000 You know, they're a very valuable thing.

00:56:18.000 Stop watching the news.

00:56:19.000 It's poison.

00:56:20.000 It is meant to keep you confused and compliant.

00:56:24.000 And then, you know, civil disobedience.

00:56:26.000 I heard in New York City, people are doing sit-ins about the vaccine mandates.

00:56:30.000 So it's nonviolent.

00:56:31.000 You go in, serve me, and I'll leave.

00:56:34.000 Refuse to serve me and I'll sit here till you do something to force me out. 0.90

00:56:37.000 In which case, we're going to make sure there's a video on the internet of what a bunch of tyrants you are. 1.00

00:56:40.000 And just keep putting them in that position.

00:56:43.000 And we actually can win this.

00:56:45.000 Keep making fun of them, also, by the way.

00:56:46.000 These people cannot stand to be made fun of.

00:56:48.000 Make fun of the World Economic Forum.

00:56:50.000 Make fun of any company that partners with them.

00:56:52.000 I mean, viciously make fun of them for being partnered with it until the spell starts to break for some of them.

00:56:57.000 I couldn't agree more.

00:56:58.000 They can't take humor because they take themselves so seriously.

00:57:02.000 And guns up, let's do this, Leroy Jenkins, is not the most prudent way to go and fight the culture war.

00:57:08.000 Lekwalessa famously said, We have enough martyrs.

00:57:12.000 What we need is victories.

00:57:14.000 And that's very wise because there's some people that say, I'm going to fight the culture war by getting banned from YouTube. 1.00

00:57:19.000 I'm like, that's totally stupid. 0.99

00:57:20.000 Like, if you get banned because you said something that's true as a byproduct, it's fine, but don't seek martyrdom. 1.00

00:57:25.000 Like, we got enough of that.

00:57:26.000 Okay.

00:57:26.000 That's what Neil Young just did.

00:57:28.000 And look at us laughing at him.

00:57:29.000 He's a joke.

00:57:30.000 Joe, we are on Team Rogan here.

00:57:32.000 I have so much respect for that man.

00:57:33.000 He just went on Rogan last night.

00:57:35.000 I got to listen to it.

00:57:36.000 I got to listen.

00:57:36.000 How long was your episode?

00:57:37.000 Six and a half hours?

00:57:38.000 No, 3:15.

00:57:39.000 Oh, well, that's a good one.

00:57:40.000 It was a short, short little gallop through the meadow.

00:57:45.000 But you bring up something super important as kind of just the end point, which is tyrants get tired.

00:57:49.000 You have to remember this.

00:57:50.000 Tyrants get tired.

00:57:52.000 They get exhausted when they get overwhelmed.

00:57:55.000 It seems as if they'll never break, but it happens like Ernest Hemingway said it would.

00:58:00.000 Happens gradually and then suddenly.

00:58:02.000 That's how tyrants break.

00:58:04.000 And so all of a sudden, it's this and then goes down.

00:58:07.000 You're seeing that in Canada and all across the world.

00:58:09.000 James, race Marxism.

00:58:10.000 I wish we had more time.

00:58:11.000 You're terrific.

00:58:11.000 And thank you so much for the time and thanks for what you're doing for our country.

00:58:14.000 Absolutely, Charlie.

00:58:15.000 Talk next time.

00:58:16.000 Thanks.

00:58:16.000 Bye.

00:58:17.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:58:19.000 Email me directly as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:58:22.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:58:23.000 God bless.

00:58:26.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 28, 2022

The Sinister Rise of Race Marxism with Dr. James Lindsay

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