The Charlie Kirk Show - The Six-Month Speaker Election? with Troy Nehls and Bryan Williams

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Brian Williams running for chair of the Ohio Republican Party.

00:00:05.000 We talk about the significance of the RNC race and then coverage live of what's happening on the floor from Troy Nels.

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00:01:06.000 The RNC race that is going to happen on 127 is directly tied to what's happening in Congress.

00:01:16.000 You see, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, and Ronna McDaniel Romney, all three of them are different but similar in the sense that they are the highest-ranking Republicans in the House, the Senate, and of course, running the Republican Party.

00:01:37.000 And the grassroots is angry.

00:01:41.000 We are very upset right now.

00:01:44.000 We do not want things to continue as they have.

00:01:47.000 $1.7 trillion omnibus bill, losing the U.S. Senate.

00:01:51.000 It is a pattern of losing our country, losing elections.

00:01:57.000 And Ronna Romney, running the RNC, who has personally attacked me and Turning Point, believes she's entitled to continue to be RNC chair despite loss after loss after loss.

00:02:12.000 Well, joining us now is someone who's running for the state party chair of Ohio, who is behind Harmee Dylan and will not vote for Ronna Romney coming up on 127.

00:02:22.000 Brian, welcome to the program.

00:02:24.000 Thank you.

00:02:25.000 Good to be here.

00:02:26.000 Tell us why you're running and the dynamics that are kind of folding, you know, unfolding in Ohio and why that has national implications.

00:02:33.000 Well, I'm running for a vacancy in the chairmanship in Ohio for a lot of the same reasons that there is a challenge being brought to run in Washington.

00:02:40.000 We win elections here in Ohio, but we're making it a little bit more difficult.

00:02:44.000 And we also have this kind of swamp-like maneuver within Ohio that preordains who gets through primaries.

00:02:50.000 And so that's those are local state issues.

00:02:52.000 But one of the major issues in this chairman's fight is who's going to, who will you vote for at the end of the month for national chairman?

00:03:00.000 I'm the only candidate in the race that has endorsed Harmeet Dillon.

00:03:05.000 Charlie, you just nailed it.

00:03:06.000 I mean, that's why we need change.

00:03:08.000 Three unsuccessful elections in a row.

00:03:10.000 How many years do you stick with the coach before you say it's time to make a change?

00:03:13.000 Yeah, and you're right.

00:03:14.000 You guys do win elections in Ohio.

00:03:16.000 And praise God, JD Vance got across the finish line.

00:03:18.000 And thank you for your help with that.

00:03:19.000 But it was a little underwhelming in the House results in Ohio, was it not?

00:03:24.000 Yeah, we lost three seats.

00:03:26.000 We should, we're at a 10 to 5 ratio, Republicans to Democrats.

00:03:30.000 We should be at 13 to 2.

00:03:32.000 We had a big kerfuffle when we had a rogue Supreme Court justice side with the Democrats to make our districting process very hard.

00:03:39.000 But notwithstanding that, we had the filing deadline was bad.

00:03:45.000 We had two candidates that weren't prepared to win.

00:03:47.000 They didn't have the proper national support to win.

00:03:50.000 The contrast that they made with their opponents was weak.

00:03:53.000 And so, and then Steve Shabbat in Cincinnati lost also.

00:03:58.000 He was an incumbent who shouldn't have lost.

00:04:00.000 So, yeah, we had three losses for Congress in Ohio that the red wave should have not re-committed.

00:04:05.000 It was J.R. Majuski's race and then Madison Jessieto, right?

00:04:09.000 I mean, so do you think that the RNC, the national apparatus, was giving Ohio the resources it needed to win important races?

00:04:19.000 No, absolutely not.

00:04:20.000 The one thing we lacked here that we've had, we've enjoyed in the past, and the RNC has to lead that process are these victory centers.

00:04:27.000 The victory centers in Ohio are regionally placed.

00:04:30.000 Typically, we have one here in Summit County.

00:04:32.000 And what they helped to do is they helped to run the grassroots campaign, getting out and coordinating the volunteers at the local level to make the grassroots push.

00:04:41.000 We had none of that in Ohio.

00:04:42.000 Whether or not the money was there or raised or wasn't raised at the RNC level, we had no victory centers throughout the state of Ohio. 0.88

00:04:50.000 Our ground game, both in the J.R. Majewski race, Madison's race, I'm not so sure about the race in Cincinnati, but they were pathetic, completely underwhelming. 0.96

00:05:00.000 That, and absent of the contrast you need with your Democrat opponent, just made it so that these first-time candidates weren't able to win.

00:05:08.000 Yeah, and I mean, this is an issue that continues to manifest.

00:05:11.000 So there's other people that are running in Ohio for either the chairmanship or committeemen, and they support Rana.

00:05:20.000 What is their argument?

00:05:22.000 Well, the one supports Rana, and that's our chief opposition.

00:05:28.000 I don't, other than he doesn't have an argument.

00:05:30.000 All he basically does is take orders from those who handle him behind the curtain.

00:05:35.000 The other two candidates have been silent, primarily because they really haven't focused on the, they don't really see this aspect of the job.

00:05:42.000 They haven't considered it in depth.

00:05:43.000 I think theirs is more their silence is that of ignorance.

00:05:47.000 But my chief opponent, Jimmy Stewart, he does support Rana, and that's primarily because he was told to do so.

00:05:53.000 Bob Paduczik is his handler.

00:05:55.000 He's the outgoing state party chairman.

00:05:57.000 I'm the current vice chairman of the state party.

00:05:59.000 He and I have been at odds based on his autocratic type of leadership.

00:06:03.000 And this is just one more example of it.

00:06:05.000 And I mean, it's just extraordinary.

00:06:05.000 Yeah.

00:06:07.000 We lose the United States Senate, and we're supposed to keep our RNC chair in a year that should have been a red wave.

00:06:15.000 It's an unfathomable argument.

00:06:18.000 There is no argument.

00:06:19.000 That's why 98% of the people that showed up at our turning point event and took our turning point action poll, 98% said they want Rana Romney out of the head of the RNC.

00:06:31.000 And go ahead, please.

00:06:33.000 Well, and I can tell you, Charlie, since I've made the endorsement of Harmeet and tried to make it a critical piece of this decision-making process with our state central committee members, nobody has criticized me and said, well, how can you dare to take out this outstanding job?

00:06:47.000 Right.

00:06:48.000 I bet it's a positive, right?

00:06:49.000 I mean, is your meeting this weekend, if I'm not mistaken?

00:06:51.000 Our meeting is on Friday.

00:06:53.000 Yep.

00:06:53.000 I can tell you after being on several other shows and other national show, the emails and support started pouring in both to me and to also state central committee members.

00:07:05.000 In fact, I would welcome your listeners in Ohio to let their state central committee members know time for a change.

00:07:12.000 Support a candidate for state party chairman who will support Harmeet Dillon and a change at the RNC leadership level.

00:07:20.000 And it's been not just largely positive, it's been exclusively positive.

00:07:24.000 Yes.

00:07:25.000 And so just in closing, walk our audience through the process.

00:07:29.000 How does it work in Ohio?

00:07:31.000 Is it precinct committee men that elect the state party chair, or is there a state central committee?

00:07:35.000 And then if it's state central committee, who puts the state central committee in power?

00:07:39.000 So there are 66 state central committee men and women, 33 of each.

00:07:44.000 They represent each of Ohio's 33 state senate districts.

00:07:47.000 They were elected previously in a primary.

00:07:49.000 They are all seated.

00:07:51.000 We will meet on Friday in Columbus to elect our chairman.

00:07:55.000 That chairman then will represent Ohio at the end of the month in Washington when we have the selection for the national chairman.

00:08:02.000 So, the process now, I have the most votes in the race by far.

00:08:05.000 There are three other candidates who have votes.

00:08:08.000 And as the bottom vote getter is eliminated, I'm trying to be their choice on the second and third ballot.

00:08:14.000 And so, if your listeners want to engage, we can certainly happy to let them know who their state central committee man or woman is so that they could recommend our election and we can get some change in Washington.

00:08:24.000 Well, Brian, I'm glad you're running.

00:08:26.000 Thank you for joining our show, and best of luck this weekend.

00:08:28.000 Thanks so much.

00:08:29.000 Thank you.

00:08:30.000 Thank you.

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00:09:34.000 The fifth round of voting is underway right now, and they are going to probably have a very similar outcome than the first four.

00:09:47.000 Newt Gingrich has some wisdom to share that has made some headlines.

00:09:52.000 Let's play cut 26, please.

00:09:54.000 You know, Lincoln in his first inaugural warned that the problem of secession is once you establish that principle, then everybody can secede from everybody.

00:10:05.000 These five people need to take a deep breath tonight and ask themselves: are they really want to send a signal that every five people in the conference can screw up everything for whatever reason?

00:10:19.000 Three of them went in and presented Kevin McCarthy with 30-some different demands, most of them involving personal advancement.

00:10:28.000 And in a free society, you cannot, just as you can't give in to terrorists and you can't give in to hostage takers, you can't allow them to take the conference hostage and win.

00:10:39.000 Now, I don't think Newt meant that literally because the left calls us literal terrorists and uses the national security apparatus to come after us.

00:10:48.000 But let me continue to build out an argument that I floated.

00:10:53.000 The base has been looking for a pressure release valve ever since the midterms.

00:10:59.000 We had our hopes up for Kerry Lake.

00:11:02.000 We had our hopes up to win seats in the Senate.

00:11:04.000 We had hopes up for Herschel Walker and for Blake Masters.

00:11:08.000 And so we had a very disappointing showing in the midterms.

00:11:11.000 We had a disappointing showing in the Georgia runoff.

00:11:14.000 And then how does Mitch McConnell, the turtle, thank us?

00:11:18.000 How does DC act after a disappointing midterms?

00:11:22.000 We get an inexcusable $1.7 trillion bill that is now law, that sent money to every LGBTQ fantasy camp, that sent money to go secure the border of Tunisia, Oman, Pakistan, and Lebanon, while disallowing any money to be spent on our own southern border. 0.54

00:11:45.000 We're invaded routinely across the southern border.

00:11:48.000 Learn that Twitter has been working with our own intel agencies and the Republicans would not be bothered to do anything about it.

00:11:55.000 And the people have been betrayed and lied to and deceived.

00:12:01.000 And in some sense, it's just very bad timing for Kevin McCarthy because Kevin McCarthy now finds himself as the metaphorical punching bag, the meeting point, the culmination, the intersection of all the anger, of all the betrayal that people have felt, understandably felt these last couple of months, these last couple of years.

00:12:24.000 In some ways, this was inevitable because the regime in D.C. has been treating you so poorly for so long that this was just delaying the inevitable.

00:12:41.000 And you, the grassroots, have been looking for any opportunity, any opening to be able to say, I hate you.

00:12:50.000 I really hate you because you hate me.

00:12:54.000 That is the tone and the tenor of millions of grassroots conservatives. 0.89

00:13:02.000 And it's not personally, it's not that people personally hate Kevin McCarthy.

00:13:05.000 No, no.

00:13:06.000 It's just he's the guy that you end up yelling at.

00:13:10.000 Now, people say, look, we love the country.

00:13:13.000 I love America.

00:13:15.000 Yeah, I know.

00:13:16.000 But the hatred that you have for the Washington Uniparty is palpable.

00:13:24.000 I see your emails.

00:13:25.000 I mean, every other email is, I don't care if a Democrat takes over, burn it all down.

00:13:30.000 This is terrible.

00:13:31.000 The country is over.

00:13:32.000 Why are we even, you know, basically Donalds are bust?

00:13:38.000 Somebody said here, it's not about hate.

00:13:40.000 We're frustrated with the Uniparty. 0.98

00:13:45.000 I'm not so sure about that.

00:13:49.000 The palpable frustration, the primal rage that I see from you is pretty remarkable.

00:13:59.000 And it's understandable.

00:14:01.000 For how long have they said one thing and done another?

00:14:04.000 And they're fine.

00:14:07.000 In some ways, people are demanding we reject McCarthy because they're angry at McConnell and McDaniel Romney.

00:14:16.000 McCarthy is just the lowest hanging fruit at this moment to say, we have been so betrayed, we've been so deceived.

00:14:24.000 This is the hill to die on.

00:14:28.000 We'll find out if that's wise.

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00:15:46.000 I really enjoyed this email.

00:15:47.000 Charlie, this is grassroots revenge.

00:15:49.000 I felt sick to my stomach the day the omnibus passed.

00:15:52.000 It was like the establishment personally made my income shrink in one swoop.

00:15:56.000 I can say I personally don't hate McCarthy at all.

00:15:59.000 You're correct.

00:16:00.000 He's in the wrong place at wrong time.

00:16:01.000 It's time for revenge.

00:16:04.000 We have Troy Nels, who is from the 22nd congressional district in Texas and Freedom Caucus member and an all-star conservative who is voting in favor of Kevin McCarthy.

00:16:15.000 And he joins us right now.

00:16:17.000 Congressman Nels, welcome to the program.

00:16:19.000 What is the latest from the floor?

00:16:22.000 It is now on the fifth round of voting.

00:16:23.000 It hasn't happened in 100 years.

00:16:25.000 Walk us through it.

00:16:26.000 Yeah, Charlie, thank you for having me.

00:16:28.000 I'm in the cloakroom, the Republican cloakroom, which is just behind the House floor, and I'm looking real time at the numbers.

00:16:35.000 And right now it shows that Byron Donald is at 19.

00:16:40.000 I mean, this is the fifth vote.

00:16:42.000 The last vote, Byron had 20.

00:16:44.000 I'm going to make an assumption he'll get 20.

00:16:46.000 So the needle hasn't moved.

00:16:48.000 It hasn't moved at all.

00:16:49.000 And, you know, I am a member of the Freedom Caucus.

00:16:52.000 And I have said to my friends, and they're great people, there's 20 great Americans, America First Patriots.

00:16:58.000 I said, but if you're going to identify a problem with Kevin McCarthy, let's have a solution.

00:17:04.000 I respect Jim Jordan probably more than any member up here.

00:17:07.000 I think he's fantastic.

00:17:09.000 And when you look at Jim Jordan, he's supporting Kevin McCarthy.

00:17:14.000 I think the American people that are watching this unfold on their television are saying we had 20 people supporting Jim Jordan.

00:17:22.000 And minutes prior to that, Jim Jordan is up there giving a speech for McCarthy.

00:17:27.000 So I just think it shows a little confusion, some disorganization.

00:17:31.000 And I think we got to get to work and we can do better than this.

00:17:35.000 So then what is the path forward in your calculus?

00:17:38.000 Because 20 is a lot.

00:17:39.000 And that number is kind of holding still, but it seems that there was an Victoria Sparks did whatever because she's upset McCarthy isn't sending enough money to Zelensky or whatever.

00:17:49.000 But there's no movement in McCarthy's direction.

00:17:56.000 So what's the plan?

00:17:58.000 And that's the point.

00:17:59.000 The McCarthy vote will probably get right up to about 200, 203 again.

00:18:04.000 And there are going to be, I bet you, 150 of those, 160 of those, that are not voting for anybody other than Kevin McCarthy.

00:18:12.000 So if you just look at the pure numbers, you got 20 that are against McCarthy.

00:18:17.000 But right now you have over 200 that are for McCarthy.

00:18:20.000 You just got to ask yourself, I mean, that's one out of every five that are supporting Byron Donalds.

00:18:27.000 I just think that my opinion, as a member of the Freedom Caucus and the small majority that we have of four members, I believe that this is not the battle we should be fighting.

00:18:39.000 We can win the war and lose this battle.

00:18:41.000 And we do that through legislation next year.

00:18:44.000 Kevin McCarthy is going to have to understand if he wants anything to get through the House of Representatives this year, he's going to need the support and the endorsement from the House Freedom Caucus.

00:18:54.000 There are 35 to 40 of us.

00:18:56.000 And so we will move Kevin McCarthy right, because if he doesn't move to the right, nothing gets done up here.

00:19:02.000 And that's the battle we should be having.

00:19:04.000 Get the committee set, everybody in place, and then let's work for the American people and put the American people first.

00:19:11.000 Yeah, and so I guess you know the Freedom Caucus people very well.

00:19:14.000 Are they showing a willingness to budge?

00:19:16.000 They seem to be no Kevin or Bust.

00:19:19.000 So then how is this impasse going to be broken?

00:19:23.000 I've had conversations with members of the 20, and I said, you know, there was an issue here as it related to vacate the chair, Charlie, which is a privileged motion.

00:19:32.000 Nancy Pelosi removed it.

00:19:34.000 We wanted it brought back and they negotiated and McCarthy got it down to five members that can call that privileged motion.

00:19:42.000 There are some of the members that said no, it should only be one member that should be able to call that.

00:19:47.000 And I said, okay, if Kevin would be willing to reduce it from five down to one, would that change anybody's mind of the 20?

00:19:56.000 And I couldn't get an answer.

00:19:58.000 So I just, I think this is more Charlie of a trust issue.

00:20:02.000 I think there are members of our caucus, right or wrong.

00:20:06.000 They just have a trust issue with Kevin McCarthy.

00:20:09.000 And it's getting pretty personal up here, I believe.

00:20:11.000 I believe it's getting pretty personal.

00:20:13.000 But I think this is embarrassing for our conference.

00:20:17.000 I think the American people gave us the gavel November 8th, and they're expecting leadership.

00:20:21.000 They're begging for leadership because we don't have it under this White House and this Congress.

00:20:26.000 And so now we have an opportunity to lead, and we're fumbling the football today.

00:20:30.000 Yeah, and it seems as if that fumbling is only going to continue.

00:20:34.000 And so one of my suggestions to the House Freedom Caucus, and I spent a lot of time on the phone with some of them last evening trying to get clarity here, is be clear about what you are trying to accomplish.

00:20:47.000 If it is personal, then say it's personal.

00:20:50.000 They say something along the lines of the rules committee and the steering committee and motion to vacate.

00:20:56.000 Motion to vacate seems to be getting worked out.

00:21:00.000 I don't know.

00:21:01.000 Can you just educate our listeners?

00:21:02.000 I think it would be helpful for me too.

00:21:05.000 What is the steering committee and the rules committee?

00:21:07.000 And why did that in particular drive this thing towards Bedlam? 0.87

00:21:13.000 Well, that was an issue early on.

00:21:16.000 And Nancy Pelosi removed vacate the chair two years ago. 1.00

00:21:20.000 And what that is, is the privileged motion where any member can get on the House floor and say, I make a motion to vacate the chair, meaning you would have another vote for speaker.

00:21:30.000 That means you want this speaker removed, right?

00:21:32.000 You want to vacate that chair, that speaker's chair.

00:21:35.000 And Nancy Pelosi removed it. 1.00

00:21:38.000 Initially, early on, Kevin didn't seem like he wanted to bring it back.

00:21:42.000 And then there were negotiations.

00:21:44.000 We thought initially the conversation was a majority of the majority, meaning if there's 222 of us and the majority of the 222 want to make that privileged motion, let's do it.

00:21:56.000 It's been reduced down to the five of us.

00:21:59.000 Five members can get up there and make that motion, and then you would have a vote.

00:22:05.000 Again, we go through the same process like we're doing right now, Charlie.

00:22:08.000 We'd have the same process.

00:22:10.000 And so it hasn't been abused in the past hundred years.

00:22:14.000 I don't believe, I think it was been done one time in 100 years where they did actually a motion to vacate the chair, and that was Speaker Cannon back in 1909, I believe.

00:22:24.000 So it's not abused.

00:22:26.000 I think it's good to have it.

00:22:27.000 Nancy Pelosi pulled it, and we've had it here for a couple hundred years.

00:22:31.000 Kevin says, let's bring it back.

00:22:33.000 Five members, whether it's down to one member, I still don't know if that's going to move the 20.

00:22:37.000 I don't think it's going to move the 20 people that are saying no to McCarthy.

00:22:41.000 Yeah, and so just, and then is there anything on the rules committee or steering committee?

00:22:45.000 That's what the Freedom Caucus people are telling me that they need representation on these committees.

00:22:50.000 What's the significance of that?

00:22:52.000 Well, I think the committee assignments are very, very important, but the committee assignments are done by a steering committee.

00:22:59.000 And there's different regions across the country.

00:23:02.000 And so the different regions, they select their steering committee reps.

00:23:07.000 In the state of Texas, we have a total of three of them.

00:23:10.000 And I believe there's about 30 or 31.

00:23:13.000 And those steering committee reps make, they are the ones that will draft and assign these committees to these different personnel.

00:23:21.000 Now, if you want to get the gavel of one of our committees, one of the committees, you want the gavel and be the chairman, you have to conduct an interview.

00:23:28.000 You have to go in front of the steering committee and sell yourself.

00:23:32.000 Now, the speaker and the majority leader and the whip, they get a few more votes.

00:23:37.000 I mean, a steering member gets one, but McCarthy is the speaker.

00:23:40.000 He would get four.

00:23:40.000 I believe Steve Scalise III and the WIP II.

00:23:43.000 So they have a little bit more influence, but still, if you want to get on a committee, yes, McCarthy has some influence, but you also got to reach out to the other members of the steering committee and sell yourself and say, this is why you want that gavel.

00:23:57.000 And so then the House Committee on Rules would, what do they do?

00:24:01.000 They set the parameters of how the House conducts business.

00:24:05.000 Is that right?

00:24:06.000 Yes, yes.

00:24:07.000 And what really reaches the floor.

00:24:09.000 There are some concerns about members that said that the speaker is the one that's going to determine what the floor votes on, what goes to the floor.

00:24:21.000 And, you know, right, wrong, and different.

00:24:24.000 We want to make sure.

00:24:25.000 I believe if I was the speaker, I would want to make sure that when we are voting on legislation as the majority, that it has the 218 to pass.

00:24:36.000 You don't want to start putting legislation on the floor as the majority, and all of a sudden we can't pass the legislation in our own party.

00:24:43.000 So there's some pros and cons to all of that, but I just believe that we can hold the Freedom Caucus can hold Kevin McCarthy accountable because we are more relevant today than we've been in the past because we have such a slim majority, 4C, 222 of us, takes 218 to pass any legislation, and there's got to be 35 to 40 of us in the Freedom Caucus.

00:25:09.000 And Kevin's going to know.

00:25:10.000 He's going to realize.

00:25:11.000 If I want anything to pass and send it to the Senate, which may be dead on arrival because the Senate is so dysfunctional, but if we want anything to leave the House, he's going to need the endorsement, support, and the stamp of approval from the House Freedom Caucus.

00:25:25.000 And that's if we can end up getting a speaker, right?

00:25:28.000 And so what some of the Freedom Caucus people are saying, well, let's just go for Scalise or anybody but Kevin.

00:25:35.000 That's a troubling proposition in some ways, is it not?

00:25:38.000 I mean, it's the old adage, be careful what you wish for.

00:25:42.000 Sure.

00:25:43.000 And I've talked to Steve Scalise and Steve Scalise, when we made him the majority leader, he loved that.

00:25:48.000 That's the position that he wants.

00:25:50.000 I don't think he doesn't want to be the speaker.

00:25:52.000 I know Jim Jordan talked to him yesterday.

00:25:54.000 He didn't want to be the speaker.

00:25:56.000 And Steve Scalise wants to be the majority leader.

00:25:59.000 And Steve Scalise yesterday was on the floor and he nominated McCarthy for Speaker.

00:26:04.000 So all I'm saying is that if we have identified the problem and McCarthy's the problem, you have to have a workable solution to the problem.

00:26:12.000 And right now, I don't see that.

00:26:14.000 I just don't see it.

00:26:16.000 And I think the conference as a whole, when you've got, you know, you're down one to five, you've got over 200 that are supporting McCarthy and you've got 20 that are supporting anybody but McCarthy.

00:26:28.000 We are at an impasse right now.

00:26:30.000 And the longer we continue to do this, I think the more disappointed the American people as a whole are going to be, specifically the Republican Party.

00:26:39.000 Now, some feel that this is the right thing to do because it's a swamp up here and we have to change direction.

00:26:46.000 No question about it.

00:26:47.000 We have to do things different up here.

00:26:50.000 We are at a fiscal mismanagement, $31 trillion.

00:26:54.000 We've got the southern border.

00:26:56.000 But if you look at Kevin McCarthy's plan with the commitment to America, I think it's a step in the right direction.

00:27:01.000 He has made concessions as it relates to rules, the Republican Conference rules and House rules.

00:27:08.000 He's made some concessions and accepted those.

00:27:12.000 So I just don't, I don't understand why we are doing this.

00:27:16.000 I don't believe this is healthy.

00:27:17.000 And hell, we could be here until July.

00:27:20.000 Be here till July.

00:27:22.000 You know who wins in that situation?

00:27:24.000 Hunter Biden.

00:27:25.000 He can't believe that he's getting away with it.

00:27:27.000 And that's the point, Charlie.

00:27:29.000 That's the point.

00:27:30.000 We got investigations we have to conduct.

00:27:32.000 And when you got Jim Jordan as the chair of judiciary, you got Comer as government and oversight.

00:27:38.000 We can start pushing back and holding the Democrats accountable for their irresponsible policies, spending, and activities they've had over the past two years.

00:27:47.000 Let's get to work and put the American people first. 0.89

00:27:50.000 Troy Nels from the 22nd District of the great state of Texas.

00:27:53.000 Thank you so much.

00:27:54.000 Thank you.

00:27:54.000 God bless.

00:27:57.000 I am texting with some people on the Hill, and we have some good sources.

00:28:02.000 I'm talking to the members, and some of the Freedom Caucus says this.

00:28:05.000 So I was just texting one of the Freedom Caucus people just to give you an idea.

00:28:10.000 And I said, I think Scalise is much worse than McCarthy.

00:28:14.000 I agree, and so do we on the Freedom Caucus.

00:28:16.000 I said, then why don't you guys make a deal instead of going towards Scalise?

00:28:22.000 And they said, we're working on it.

00:28:24.000 Hopefully, some news soon.

00:28:26.000 So the Freedom Caucus acknowledges that Steve Scalise.

00:28:30.000 They know this.

00:28:30.000 This is straight from them.

00:28:31.000 Steve Scalise is way more moderate than McCarthy.

00:28:37.000 I'm not going to say who that is, but it's one of the 20.

00:28:39.000 It's one of the leaders on the floor.

00:28:42.000 So let's talk about Trump.

00:28:44.000 Donald Trump said this morning and last night, some really good conversations took place last night.

00:28:49.000 Now it's time for all of our great Republican House members to vote for Kevin, close the deal, take victory, and watch crazy Nancy Pelosi fly back home to a very broken California.

00:28:59.000 The only speaker in U.S. history to have lost the House twice.

00:29:01.000 Republicans do not turn a great triumph into a giant and embarrassing defeat.

00:29:05.000 It's time to celebrate.

00:29:06.000 You deserve it.

00:29:06.000 Kevin McCarthy do a great job and maybe even a great job.

00:29:09.000 Just watch.

00:29:10.000 He said this morning: if Republicans are going to fight, we ought to be fighting Mitch McConnell and his domineering, China-loving boss, I mean, wife, Coco Chow. 0.68

00:29:17.000 For the record, that is not her name.

00:29:19.000 The harm they have done to the Republican Party is incalculable.

00:29:24.000 Today, he couldn't be elected dog catcher in Kentucky.

00:29:27.000 Sadly, he only won because my endorsement went up 21 points.

00:29:30.000 Sorry.

00:29:31.000 And so Trump is going all in on Kevin McCarthy.

00:29:34.000 And I'm curious what your thoughts are.

00:29:36.000 Does that make you more likely to support Kevin McCarthy or less likely?

00:29:42.000 Now, I did tweet this morning that I thought Donald Trump should personally fly up to Washington, D.C. and broker a deal, whether that's in favor of Kevin McCarthy, in favor of Byron Donald's.

00:29:53.000 He did write the art of the deal.

00:29:56.000 He was able to do Middle East peace with Israel and Saudi Arabia and the Emiratis.

00:30:01.000 He was able to renegotiate NAFTA.

00:30:04.000 He knows how to strike a deal and he still has a lot of political power.

00:30:08.000 I don't think it's actually in his interest to do this in favor of Kevin remotely.

00:30:13.000 If Kevin McCarthy ends up failing, one of the leads will be Donald Trump's endorsement does not mean that much anymore.

00:30:25.000 So you can't get half pregnant here. 1.00

00:30:26.000 This is my advice to President Trump.

00:30:28.000 I think he should fire up Trump Force One, fly into Washington, D.C., come and act like the magnanimous leader that he is and call a meeting.

00:30:41.000 Do the deal.

00:30:42.000 How many times?

00:30:44.000 This is what bothers me.

00:30:45.000 I'll be very honest.

00:30:46.000 The 2016 Trump energy, how many times when we fell in love with the Trump persona in 16, he said, let's just do a deal.

00:30:54.000 Get him in the room.

00:30:55.000 We're going to cut a deal.

00:30:57.000 Let's just, how many times did we hear him say that?

00:30:59.000 We said, man, that's real.

00:31:02.000 We need a guy like that.

00:31:04.000 And I'm afraid that if Trump does not do that, this is going in an uncertain direction because there is not anyone that has the political power, political capital, that has the capacity to negotiate like Donald Trump.

00:31:17.000 And I'm supporting Donald Trump in 2024.

00:31:19.000 So I have a very politically selfish reason.

00:31:22.000 His stock would go up in everybody's eyes.

00:31:25.000 He would look like the man that solved the impossible deal.

00:31:28.000 Hasn't gone to five ballots since 1865.

00:31:32.000 It looked like a total impasse.

00:31:33.000 And Donald Trump comes in to Washington, D.C. and makes the impossible deal possible.

00:31:39.000 It will de-escalate a lot of his critics.

00:31:42.000 And by the way, it's in his interest to have a functioning House of Representatives to cross-examine and investigate the Department of Justice that just raided Mar-a-Lago.

00:31:53.000 So, this is a deal that, in some ways, he personally needs to get done.

00:31:57.000 But if you just look at his 2024 stock, there's a lot of people that are upset with Trump because of Georgia and the runoffs.

00:32:08.000 And some people said the midterms.

00:32:09.000 I think a lot of that is unfair.

00:32:12.000 So, a pro-Trump argument: if you want Trump to succeed in 24, own this.

00:32:19.000 Fly into D.C.

00:32:20.000 And some people will say, well, Charlie, if he's not able to do the deal, then it will make him look bad.

00:32:23.000 Well, look, at some point, you got to take some risk.

00:32:28.000 Do you think that getting Israel and Saudi Arabia to have a peace deal is somehow easier than getting 16 Republicans, all of which in heavy MAGA districts, to come together and to support a speaker if it's Kevin or somebody else?

00:32:45.000 No, Donald Trump, he redid the Commodore Hotel.

00:32:50.000 He built the downtown Park Hyatt.

00:32:52.000 He got the impossible Trump Tower deal done with the air rights over Tiffany's.

00:32:57.000 Donald Trump redid NAFTA.

00:32:59.000 Donald Trump in one afternoon over a couple Diet Cokes and McDonald's could get this speaker's race sorted out.

00:33:05.000 I hope he does.

00:33:08.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:10.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:13.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.

00:33:18.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 05, 2023

The Six-Month Speaker Election? with Troy Nehls and Bryan Williams

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