The Charlie Kirk Show - September 17, 2023


The State of the American Church — LIVE from TPUSA Faith’s Pastor’s Summit


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In this episode, Pastor Charlie Kirk delivers a keynote address at the TPUSA Faith Pastors Summit. He speaks about the importance of a healthy church and the role of a pastor in leading a healthy, prosperous and impactful community.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Sunday.
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00:00:36.000 Enjoy my remarks at the TPUSA Faith Pastor Summit.
00:00:40.000 1,300 pastors.
00:00:42.000 You hear some questions from them.
00:00:44.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:45.000 Here we go.
00:00:46.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:48.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:50.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:53.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:56.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:57.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:58.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:01:00.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:07.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:01:28.000 Hello, everybody.
00:01:31.000 Sorry to interrupt all the friendship building here, but please take a seat if you can.
00:01:38.000 So I'm going to just speak for a few minutes here, and then we'll do question and answer, and then we'll continue.
00:01:42.000 I hope you're all enjoying yourselves.
00:01:44.000 And we are receiving very positive feedback.
00:01:48.000 It's amazing to see what the Lord is doing here.
00:01:53.000 This is our third pastor summit, and just to see the amount of people from across the country here is truly remarkable.
00:02:00.000 A couple announcements.
00:02:01.000 I do want to make sure it's clear that if you are not yet involved or receiving help or assistance from TPUSA Faith, we want to make sure that happens.
00:02:12.000 And so I encourage you to get to know your rep. We have full-time staff across the country in your region, in every corner of the country, from North Dakota to Florida to Vermont.
00:02:23.000 I think Mr. Callahan is here around here somewhere.
00:02:26.000 Maybe not.
00:02:27.000 I know Todd up there is preaching the word in Burlington, and we have reps all across the country.
00:02:31.000 So you might say, well, Charlie, what can you offer?
00:02:33.000 And you've seen some of this.
00:02:34.000 From biblical citizenship classes to help forming community engagement teams to guest speakers.
00:02:41.000 If there were speakers that you liked that you saw here, we help send these speakers on the road to bring them to your church to help do these types of events.
00:02:49.000 Because I bet many of you say, boy, I wish my congregation was hearing this.
00:02:52.000 I wish my elder board was hearing this, right?
00:02:55.000 And then if there is interest in any of the election stuff that's heading up next year, you're going to hear tomorrow from Turning Point Action, our 501c4 organization, on how you can register your congregation to vote, even get early voting stuff and early material there.
00:03:10.000 So there's a ton of walkaway items here that we guys want you to leave with and we'll make sure you're connected with your reps.
00:03:17.000 Okay, I want to focus on one thing in particular here that has kind of been mentioned a couple times in a few speakers and then we'll do some questions, which is Marxism.
00:03:28.000 So we hear that term a lot, right?
00:03:31.000 What does it exactly mean?
00:03:33.000 So I encourage you as a pastor to make sure that your book budget is greater than your wardrobe budget.
00:03:43.000 By the way, if it's not, you got a problem.
00:03:46.000 I woke you up then now, and all of a sudden you're like, wait a second.
00:03:52.000 A healthy church is led by a pastor that takes learning very, very seriously.
00:03:59.000 And it says in the scriptures in Philippians, whatsoever is true, whatsoever is beautiful, think on these things.
00:04:09.000 And we have to know what we're up against.
00:04:12.000 And I believe one of the reasons we were ill-prepared during the lockdowns, ill-prepared during the summer of 2020, is we kind of sort of had some understanding of what Marxism or communism was, but we didn't really understand the first the spiritual implications, how persuasive these ideas are, and how they are the same failed demonic ideology that replicates itself time and time and time again.
00:04:39.000 So I'm going to do my best to talk a little about Marxism.
00:04:42.000 You're going to hear from who I believe is the leading scholar on Marxism, Dr. James Lindsay, later today.
00:04:48.000 He is excellent.
00:04:49.000 He's an unusual speaker in the sense that he's not a Christian.
00:04:52.000 I know some of you send me some hate emails on that.
00:04:57.000 Love you guys.
00:05:01.000 We've moved him from atheist to agnostic.
00:05:03.000 I'm working on it.
00:05:04.000 And he is one of the sweetest people, and he's amazing.
00:05:07.000 And he's coming to talk about Marxism.
00:05:09.000 But I'm going to do my part on this.
00:05:10.000 Okay, Karl Marx in the mid-1800s wrote a couple books that many of you may or may not be familiar with, Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital.
00:05:19.000 Karl Marx also had some involvement in the occult.
00:05:22.000 There's a whole great amount of literature there.
00:05:24.000 But basically, Karl Marx took demonic ideology and ideas from the enemy that all that God created must be challenged and must be criticized.
00:05:35.000 In fact, direct quote from Marxist writings.
00:05:40.000 You must engage in the ruthless criticism of all that exists.
00:05:45.000 Said simply, Marxists are trained, and this is what happens when you send kids to college, to deconstruct, to pick apart, to complain against anything that exists.
00:05:57.000 And that includes the natural law and the natural order.
00:06:00.000 Now, you're probably starting to connect some dots.
00:06:02.000 Like, oh, well, that makes sense.
00:06:03.000 That's why they're always trying to go after why, what is a man and what is a woman.
00:06:08.000 Now, I believe that if the American church spoke more about the first 11 books of Genesis, we'd be in a much better place.
00:06:17.000 I believe that there are eternal answers to so many of our problems in the first 11 books of Genesis that the modern cool kid, the skinny gene church, does not like talking about.
00:06:28.000 They say, oh, it's allegorical.
00:06:30.000 It's the word of God.
00:06:31.000 It's the truth.
00:06:32.000 Now, in the first 11 books of Genesis, the distinctions that our entire existence rely upon are set up.
00:06:40.000 I mentioned this briefly yesterday.
00:06:42.000 The distinctions between God and man, the distinctions between holy and profane, the distinctions between man and woman, the distinctions between good and evil, the distinctions between man and nature, the distinctions between God and nature.
00:07:01.000 So let's focus on that one.
00:07:02.000 Every ancient false pagan religion before Judaism, before the Torah, and eventually Christianity, God was in nature, not above nature. 0.64
00:07:14.000 You worship the river, you worship the sun, you worship the mountain.
00:07:18.000 This idea that God spoke nature into existence was unheard of in the ancient world.
00:07:24.000 Now, these distinctions are important because that's where we get very basic morality.
00:07:29.000 What the Marxists decided to do is they understood that these distinctions existed, and they said we must destroy all distinctions.
00:07:38.000 We must iron them out.
00:07:39.000 Now, if you want to get really deep into it, they believe in smoothing out the contradiction so they can create a oneness of the world.
00:07:49.000 Genesis 11, Nimrod wanted to create the city of Babel to create a one-world government.
00:07:56.000 The aim of the Marxists is to get rid of any differences.
00:07:59.000 Diversity is not the strength of the Marxists.
00:08:03.000 Conformity and elimination of differences is the strength of the Marxists.
00:08:09.000 You must understand it's the exact opposite of what they tell you.
00:08:12.000 And isn't this true?
00:08:12.000 They don't want any dissenting opinion.
00:08:14.000 They don't want any differences or any dialogue.
00:08:17.000 Only uniformity, conformity.
00:08:19.000 It's very totalitarian in nature.
00:08:21.000 And so Karl Marx writes basically this idea that there are people in charge of society, and we'll call them the bourgeoisie.
00:08:30.000 You know, one, two, three, go after the bourgeoisie is with a chant.
00:08:35.000 That's not what they say on college campuses.
00:08:36.000 They'll use swear words, right?
00:08:38.000 And the rest of us are the proletariat, the everyday man, the worker.
00:08:43.000 Now, he came after this mostly through economic lens.
00:08:46.000 That this was people owning the factories and people working in the factories, and it's not fair.
00:08:52.000 Now, this was basically him equipping the everyday rank and file with a playbook of how to criticize and how to attack any power structure.
00:09:04.000 So fast forward, an obscure writer from prison in Italy, many of you know him, Antonio Gramsci, wrote this whole idea that we Marxists, we can't just have economic struggle, revolution against the factory owners.
00:09:19.000 We need to have cultural struggle.
00:09:21.000 That what Marx laid out was a rebellion not just against the rich, but a rebellion against anybody in power, including God himself.
00:09:32.000 So what Antonio Gramsci wrote in the letters from prison was that we need to mobilize the masses to go against anybody in charge.
00:09:41.000 So then another obscure thinker by the name of Herbert Marcuse, the Frankfurt School, takes this idea, comes to America, and comes up with what we now know as postmodernism.
00:09:50.000 If you want to describe where wokeism is, what is the Wuhan Institute of Virology of wokeism?
00:09:58.000 It came from Herbert Marcuse and the Frankfurt School in the 1950s and 60s.
00:10:02.000 He wrote a book called One-Dimensional Man, and he had colleagues of Michelle Foucault and Jacques Derrida and disciples to this day by the name of Angela Davis and also Paulo Fieri and James Lindsay.
00:10:14.000 He wrote a whole book called The Marxification of Education.
00:10:17.000 Here's where it comes to your faith, and this is what drives me nuts when pastors say, Charlie, I don't do politics.
00:10:24.000 Satan is using Marxism as a way to deconstruct God's natural order.
00:10:34.000 Every single day.
00:10:36.000 So some pastors and some churches say, but I don't like talking about these issues.
00:10:40.000 The most fundamental and easiest example that we can give is another distinction, the distinction between a parent and a child.
00:10:50.000 They do not believe in such distinctions.
00:10:54.000 In Washington, at the age of 12, when you go in for a doctor's visit, the parent is not allowed into the doctor's visit unless the child requests the parent to come in.
00:11:09.000 They don't believe that there's any distinction between a parent or a child.
00:11:13.000 In fact, they believe it to be an oppressive, tyrannical type relationship.
00:11:17.000 So if you are to equip an entire generation, an entire culture, to ruthlessly criticize all that exists, well then what comes next?
00:11:27.000 San Francisco comes next.
00:11:30.000 There is no next.
00:11:31.000 You know what the only thing is?
00:11:33.000 It's all outright totalitarianism and tyranny.
00:11:36.000 This is one of the great lies of Marxism, is that they act as if eventually they'll get rid of all the contradictions.
00:11:43.000 And I'll summarize this in a way that you'll be able to use at your congregations.
00:11:47.000 But it will always end in tyranny.
00:11:50.000 We have a unique moment when America was founded where the many were able to be in charge of the few. 0.92
00:11:57.000 Marxism wants the few to actually be in charge of the many under the guise of the many being in charge of the few.
00:12:04.000 So Marxism must abolish three things.
00:12:06.000 And this is a spiritual war, and I'll prove one, two, and three.
00:12:10.000 Number one, Marxism must destroy religion.
00:12:14.000 It must.
00:12:15.000 In fact, Karl Marx called religion the opiate of the masses.
00:12:19.000 Number two, Marxism must destroy private property.
00:12:23.000 Incredibly important.
00:12:24.000 Do you know the first ever recorded real estate purchase in the history of the world was Abram buying Hebron?
00:12:31.000 Private property is biblical. 0.64
00:12:32.000 The idea of owning property comes directly from the Bible.
00:12:36.000 The idea of the tribe or the commune owning everything, that idea has been around for a long time.
00:12:41.000 But the idea that you are a steward of a piece of property, a steward of a certain thing to pass down to future generations, to tithe and offer, these are biblical principles.
00:12:50.000 Marxism wants to destroy and abolish that.
00:12:52.000 And then finally, because Marx said this is the ultimate totalitarian environment, is the family.
00:12:59.000 And repeatedly, we see, and I believe I mentioned this yesterday.
00:13:02.000 I give so many speeches, I can't remember everything I mentioned.
00:13:05.000 But yesterday I said in the Ten Commandments, the only one of the Ten Commandments that mentions your nation of promise, honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land of which you are in.
00:13:13.000 So you're all pastors, so I'm going to get a little geeky with the Hebrew for you, okay? 1.00
00:13:17.000 So the word honor is the same word as heavy in the scriptures.
00:13:23.000 The same word to treat heavily.
00:13:25.000 The word curse in Hebrew is the same word as to treat lightly.
00:13:31.000 So if you were to treat your parents lightly, you are to curse your parents.
00:13:36.000 What is the last part of the Old Testament in the book of Malachi?
00:13:41.000 Talking about cursing your land.
00:13:44.000 The last thing before Matthew begins is talking about cursing your land.
00:13:50.000 What did we learn from Mao's China? 0.68
00:13:52.000 What did we learn from Stalin's Russia? 0.86
00:13:54.000 If they can destroy the bond between a parent and a child, that is the simplest, most proven way for totalitarian government to come in.
00:14:03.000 And I'm telling you right now, you as pastors have a historic and biblical mandate to protect parental authority in America today.
00:14:12.000 Never before have we seen the family so under attack from so many directions.
00:14:17.000 And I will say what other pastors are afraid to say. 0.87
00:14:21.000 They're trying to turn your kids gay and trans and groom them away from Christianity. 1.00
00:14:28.000 And some people say, well, you know, Charlie, that goes too far. 0.61
00:14:31.000 Read their literature.
00:14:33.000 Read their books.
00:14:37.000 They talk about how they must go after children because they cannot reproduce, so they must recruit. 0.99
00:14:48.000 And if there is not an issue that could unite the American church, I mean, what's happening right now in Chino Valley, and the great Jack Hibbs is fighting this, and in Temecula, oh my goodness.
00:14:58.000 Just a couple examples where the Attorney General of California is coming in and suing Chino Valley.
00:15:04.000 You know why?
00:15:05.000 Because Chino Valley, right down the street from here, the school board, which thankfully because of Jack Hibbs and the Chino Hills Calvary Chapel Church, they took over that school board, they have the radical idea, everybody, radical, that if a child wants the transition, the parent gets a phone call.
00:15:25.000 They're being investigated by the California Attorney General and sued for such a thing.
00:15:33.000 Just for that.
00:15:35.000 And for the uninitiated, the non-Christian audience, they're confused by this.
00:15:42.000 Guess what?
00:15:43.000 You don't get to be confused.
00:15:44.000 You know exactly what's going on here.
00:15:47.000 This is just another manifestation of the invisible war.
00:15:51.000 Because if you can go after the children and destroy that bond, the family is the last line of defense of a free society.
00:16:01.000 It's the only line of defense.
00:16:02.000 It's the ultimate line of defense.
00:16:04.000 And the church must stand up for this and for parental rights.
00:16:07.000 So when we talk about, you know, if some people say, well, Charlie, I'm not comfortable being political.
00:16:14.000 I think you could give a sermon on Marxism without ever actually being political.
00:16:19.000 It is a dominant ideology in the world today.
00:16:23.000 And by the way, for those of you that are worried about losing your 501c3 status, you're allowed to talk about ideas and ideology and philosophy.
00:16:31.000 And let me just talk about that for a second.
00:16:39.000 I hear that excuse all the time.
00:16:42.000 All the time.
00:16:43.000 Hilariously, I hear it from excuses who think Jesus is coming next Thursday.
00:16:47.000 And so I say, the IRS wouldn't get back to you for another 18 months, man.
00:16:50.000 So it's like, you're telling me Jesus is coming soon.
00:16:58.000 And you're worried you're going to lose the 501c3 status.
00:17:01.000 One of those things you don't believe.
00:17:10.000 See, I'm not a pastor, so I can say these things.
00:17:16.000 God and man, holy and profane, man and woman. 0.93
00:17:19.000 So I got asked a great question.
00:17:20.000 We just had a wonderful roundtable, and one of the pastors asked me, Charlie, what is the issue that we should go all in on?
00:17:25.000 And I've been doing this for 11 years.
00:17:27.000 There is one issue that I think we can win on, one issue that is such a flagrant, such an awful, such a clear, just say insult to God's design that's going after children and our culture, and it is the pagan state-run religion of transgenderism. 1.00
00:17:45.000 And I gave the speech at Awakened Church, I see Sam here, and I talked about the fake religions, the fake pagan religions that are running America. 1.00
00:17:54.000 And there's the earth worshipers, there's the religion of tolerance, there's the religion of being nice, and the one that is, honestly, there's a fake religion of cultoscientism.
00:18:04.000 We could talk about all this if you want, but the one that really gets me is this gender delusion religion.
00:18:11.000 You have on the White House two major trans flags and one American flag.
00:18:16.000 You have an individual who suffers under the transgender lifestyle, and he, she takes off their clothes as a stripper at the White House. 1.00
00:18:23.000 I mean, the Center for Disease Control, as I mentioned yesterday, says that men who take lactating drugs can chest feed.
00:18:32.000 This is in our textbooks, it's in our curriculum, and it is because of a silent church. 1.00
00:18:37.000 If the church was forceful and if the church was being salt and light, this thing would never have been able to get out of the gate.
00:18:42.000 Okay?
00:18:43.000 But that didn't happen.
00:18:44.000 It is here.
00:18:45.000 So, let me give you a couple pointers on how to handle this issue. 1.00
00:18:51.000 There are zero genders and there are two sexes. 0.98
00:18:54.000 You may say, well, Charlie, I've never heard of that before.
00:18:56.000 Gender is a fake made-up word. 0.95
00:18:59.000 It's a new age term.
00:19:01.000 As soon as we admit that gender is a thing, we have lost the debate. 0.95
00:19:06.000 There is sex, and that is it. 0.90
00:19:10.000 When they introduced gender, they said, well, it's a social construct.
00:19:14.000 It's like your horoscope.
00:19:16.000 And then we all of a sudden played into their hands.
00:19:19.000 Do you notice they used to call it transsexual, and now they call it transgender?
00:19:23.000 Just like that, we allowed these guys to take over our language. 0.89
00:19:26.000 So again, there are zero genders and there are two sexes. 0.98
00:19:31.000 So if you see somebody in your church or they come to you or they say, but Charlie, you know, this is my 22-year-old.
00:19:37.000 And, you know, he was the captain of the high school team that I sent him to Berkeley.
00:19:41.000 And now she is not what he used to be, wears a dress and all that.
00:19:49.000 Their truth. 0.94
00:19:51.000 That person is wearing a costume of womanhood. 1.00
00:19:56.000 No different than a white person wearing black face. 0.62
00:20:01.000 You do not become the other race just because you wear a costume of the other race. 0.67
00:20:06.000 You do not become a different thing just because you start dressing like the other thing.
00:20:11.000 And if we even play into this an inch as Christians, we are surrendering that territory to the enemy. 0.76
00:20:20.000 Even an inch.
00:20:21.000 Now, somebody might say, but Charlie, shouldn't we love on these people?
00:20:25.000 The best way to love them is to shock them with the truth and to tell them what everybody else is afraid to tell them.
00:20:25.000 Yes.
00:20:33.000 It's to say that you are not a man or you are not a woman. 0.90
00:20:36.000 So stop dressing and acting like one. 0.74
00:20:38.000 You've obviously been traumatized.
00:20:40.000 You've obviously been hurt.
00:20:41.000 We'll find you help to be able to talk about that and deal with that.
00:20:45.000 But I refuse as a pastor, I refuse as a head of a church to be able to sign off and sit idly by while you want my blessing for you to go take Lupron, which is irreversible damage that will make you on a path and a cascade of interventions that you'll never be able to reverse.
00:21:05.000 Do you know what we're actually learning from some of these detransitioners? 1.00
00:21:08.000 By the way, there's over 30 to 40,000 detransitioners now in America.
00:21:13.000 And that list is growing.
00:21:15.000 Just so we're clear, because of the silence of the church, remember, silence itself is evil.
00:21:19.000 Silence is consent.
00:21:20.000 10 years from now, there will be 250,000 young people regretting, saying, where was my pastor warning me about this?
00:21:27.000 Where was the local guy warning me about this?
00:21:29.000 And they will be without breasts, with hysterectomies, unable to have children, unable to be able to get into meaningful relationships. 0.89
00:21:35.000 That number is increasing like you wouldn't believe.
00:21:37.000 There used to be two gender-affirming care clinics in the West.
00:21:40.000 There are now hundreds, hundreds.
00:21:43.000 The pharmaceutical companies look at your children and the children of your church as nothing more than places to make money, to chop off their private parts, administer them irreversible pharmacological agents that we don't even use for rapists anymore, to then put them on a series of antidepressants because then they're an annuity for the rest of their life.
00:22:02.000 For one trans surgery, a pharmaceutical company will make a million bucks a decade.
00:22:07.000 We're talking about 250,000 of them that we know of coming in the next couple of years.
00:22:12.000 But what we're learning from these detransitioners, one in particular, New Hampshire, a young lady, she comes up and she says, and this video has gone viral and I'm going to do my best to paraphrase it. 1.00
00:22:22.000 She says, I was a young girl and my parents got divorced and I started to see videos and I thought I was trans.
00:22:31.000 And everyone around me was afraid to offend me.
00:22:34.000 So they affirmed me.
00:22:37.000 And they told me I am who I am.
00:22:39.000 It's my truth.
00:22:40.000 Be true to who you are.
00:22:41.000 And not a single person told me that I might be dealing with something else other than go get a hysterectomy, go to Boston's children and get irreversible surgery.
00:22:50.000 And she said, here I am now, at 26, I can never have kids.
00:22:54.000 I missed puberty because I took puberty blockers.
00:22:57.000 And she said, affirmation ruined my life.
00:23:01.000 You as pastors have a moral and biblical obligation to not affirm evil.
00:23:13.000 Almost every single distinction that we see that has been clearly set up in the Bible, the trans agenda goes after. 1.00
00:23:20.000 And the other one is that it...
00:23:24.000 There is a fear by some churches and some pastors that there's going to be this massive walkout campaign of their church.
00:23:33.000 And I've got to be honest, guys.
00:23:35.000 I say offensive things for a living.
00:23:40.000 It's pretty great.
00:23:48.000 There are worse things than having somebody just walk out of your church. 0.96
00:23:56.000 Revelation 21.8, the first people in the lake of fire, guys, are the cowards. 0.96
00:24:02.000 I'm not saying that's any of you. 0.95
00:24:03.000 I'm not even saying that's people you know.
00:24:05.000 But don't allow, I mean, one of my favorite pastors says, Charlie, I'm doing everything I can to preach it down to a manageable size.
00:24:14.000 And I just, they just keep on coming.
00:24:15.000 And it's actually a paradox.
00:24:18.000 The more you speak the truth, the more the people are going to come in a broken culture. 0.88
00:24:25.000 But honestly, okay, let's say that you have a church of 600 and it goes down to 400.
00:24:30.000 Well, then maybe you have a healthier fighting force in a remnant.
00:24:36.000 And if I may editorialize for a second, be careful.
00:24:41.000 This is completely off script.
00:24:44.000 Don't grow your church too fast and borrow too much money.
00:24:49.000 I've seen more churches go in the woke neutral direction and use the excuse that I have to pay the mortgage.
00:24:58.000 I believe, and look, I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago.
00:25:01.000 I saw the willow creekification of the American church, okay? 0.61
00:25:04.000 And I think Bill Heibels was a very gifted Bible teacher.
00:25:07.000 It's too bad that whole thing.
00:25:09.000 And so I passively went to that church and I saw the whole thing.
00:25:11.000 And they came up with the model, pay down as little as you can, borrow as much money.
00:25:16.000 And I'm not saying don't borrow money, guys.
00:25:17.000 I'm not telling you how to run your church.
00:25:19.000 What I'm saying, though, is that there is a theme between some of the weak churches in America.
00:25:25.000 And it's because they're very worried that if they lose 5% of the people coming to their church, they're not going to be able to pay the bank.
00:25:32.000 They're not going to be able to pay the note.
00:25:34.000 So pray on that.
00:25:35.000 Maybe if just one of you hear that message, then it's worth saying.
00:25:43.000 So I'll say one more thing and then we'll do some questions.
00:25:46.000 I just want to, I want to just thank you guys for your attention throughout these last couple of days, and I hope it's been blessing you.
00:25:52.000 So we're going to put a slide up here.
00:25:55.000 I'm going to tell you kind of the story here.
00:25:56.000 So it's been a very eventful year at Turning Point USA.
00:25:59.000 This is our third pastor summit.
00:26:01.000 We ran out of space in Nashville.
00:26:03.000 We ran out of space when we did this last year in Coronado.
00:26:06.000 And honestly, we were debating, like, do we do another one?
00:26:09.000 And the first two were completely underwritten by a couple donors of ours.
00:26:12.000 We said, honestly, let's try to get as much sponsors as we can.
00:26:15.000 And all of a sudden, we look at around.
00:26:17.000 The response was unbelievable.
00:26:18.000 So we decided to do it.
00:26:19.000 And, you know, these events are expensive to put on.
00:26:21.000 I'm not asking you for money.
00:26:22.000 If you're able to chip in anything at all, pray about it.
00:26:25.000 It would help us a lot because these events run $700,000, $800,000.
00:26:29.000 So it's about $800 a person.
00:26:31.000 If you're not in a position to do that, totally get it.
00:26:34.000 I'm not even saying trying to guilt you and do it.
00:26:36.000 But if you're in a place or your church is able to do it, great.
00:26:39.000 If not, then that's fine too.
00:26:41.000 So if you're able to chip in anything at all, we would greatly appreciate it.
00:26:44.000 But we decided to go into our general funds that we have for a rainy day fund because I said nothing is more important than what we're doing than assembling pastors and strengthen the church.
00:26:53.000 And I'm glad we did, by the way.
00:26:54.000 One of the most important things we did.
00:26:56.000 So, think about it, pray about it, and we'll end that there.
00:27:00.000 Okay, let's do some questions, guys.
00:27:01.000 And if you want, you can follow the QR code on the screen or talk to any of our staff, and please pray about that.
00:27:06.000 It would help us out a lot and save us some time and energy.
00:27:09.000 Okay, let's get to some questions.
00:27:11.000 Hi, Barry.
00:27:13.000 You can line up here or raise your hands and we'll find you.
00:27:13.000 We'll get to some questions.
00:27:16.000 So, anybody?
00:27:19.000 Who wants to go first?
00:27:20.000 All the way over there?
00:27:22.000 You can run?
00:27:23.000 Good job, man.
00:27:28.000 Charlie, currently, about 68% of the churches in America have average attendance under 100, around 30, 35% under 50%.
00:27:39.000 Do you have any specific guidelines for pastors of smaller churches?
00:27:44.000 How can we make an impact in our community when we don't have 500, 5,000 people to work with?
00:27:50.000 Well, first of all, you know, the small church gives me hope.
00:27:53.000 That I actually find sometimes the smaller the church, the more the conviction.
00:27:58.000 And so don't think of yourself as small impact just because your numbers are not 3,000, 4,000, 5,000.
00:28:07.000 My advice would be exactly the same if it was a big church, which is preach the word, be strong and courageous, talk about the current events through a biblical lens and a biblical view.
00:28:15.000 And then if you're looking for wider impact, try to build a coalition of churches in your local area of five or six or seven that you kind of all work together.
00:28:24.000 But I'm actually encouraged by the smaller local church.
00:28:28.000 There is actually a movement in America by some to try to almost downsize because they want more of a familiar local church.
00:28:35.000 And it's not a perfect rule of thumb.
00:28:37.000 I mean, one of the most courageous, strong churches in the country is Awaken in San Diego, and they have like 12,000 people, right?
00:28:43.000 Is that Leanne?
00:28:44.000 Hi, Leanne.
00:28:45.000 And so it's not, there's no like standard rule or form for it.
00:28:49.000 But I also, I wouldn't be discouraged.
00:28:52.000 God has a calling on your life to shepherd those people.
00:28:56.000 And take that with even more heaviness and seriousness.
00:28:59.000 And honestly, I think some pastors that might be in charge of a 3,000-person church, they might say, boy, I wish I only had 100.
00:29:07.000 And you might say, boy, I wish I could hide and have 3,000.
00:29:11.000 So you both can share notes and wish you were each other.
00:29:14.000 So thank you.
00:29:16.000 You guys can line up for questions if you want, or we'll come to you whatever's easiest.
00:29:19.000 Yes, ma'am.
00:29:20.000 Hi, Charlie.
00:29:21.000 My question is: so when I look at our state capitals, we have thousands of people showing up for worship events and things like that.
00:29:30.000 But I feel like it would be super effective if they were showing up at the assembly, state assembly floors to be in opposition of some of these bills that aren't working, as well as getting back out into streets and doing evangelism.
00:29:43.000 And I just keep thinking: if we had these thousands moving out from the Capitol just doing worship services and actually moving into these places, where by the thousands they were taking over some of these assembly floors, that could be so effective.
00:29:57.000 What do you think?
00:29:58.000 Yeah, I mean, look, we got to follow the laws, right?
00:30:00.000 Because I mean, I just had on my podcast today a young man by the name of Owen Schroyer who's going to federal prison for 60 days because he didn't go in the Capitol, but he gave a speech that the FBI didn't like and the Department of Justice didn't like.
00:30:13.000 That does remind me of one thing.
00:30:14.000 I will answer your question, but let me just mention one thing in a second.
00:30:17.000 If you are not speaking out or preaching out against what the Department of Justice is doing against everyday Americans, please start doing that.
00:30:25.000 It is against God's design of justice, what the Department of Justice is doing in this country right now.
00:30:31.000 So please.
00:30:32.000 But yeah, we got to be careful and be legal and everything in that, whatever we do.
00:30:36.000 And so if it's legal to peacefully assemble in the state capitals, then so be it, absolutely.
00:30:42.000 But we as the church should be mobilizing more and more to have our voice be heard in these state capitals for sure.
00:30:48.000 Thank you.
00:30:49.000 Yes, ma'am.
00:30:50.000 Oh, we have an other side?
00:30:51.000 Yeah, great.
00:30:52.000 So, we have this, these kind of two, these two big dividing fault line issues between Trump and 2016 and probably COVID that kind of separate out the church, right?
00:31:05.000 She kind of showed a difference between kind of where Big Eva was headed and maybe where just the populace in the church was.
00:31:11.000 Looks like we're shaping up again for Trump Biden coming up here this next year.
00:31:16.000 And how do you see that shaking on the church?
00:31:18.000 And do you have any advice for pastors as they're trying to navigate?
00:31:20.000 They have people in their church that are kind of on both sides.
00:31:23.000 One wants to go, you know, full Christian nationalism, and one wants to go kind of make peace with the world and be winsome and make friendship with the world. 0.68
00:31:32.000 So, any advice?
00:31:33.000 I mean, I know that's kind of a big topic, but yeah, it's good.
00:31:38.000 I have a lot of opinions, so it's a good question.
00:31:41.000 So, yeah, look, I'll speak on behalf of Turning Point Action, which really focuses on this, and you're going to hear from that tomorrow.
00:31:47.000 Look, let me just speak on the election right now, and I'll also speak some of my personal thoughts on this.
00:31:55.000 From January 1st to today, there have been about four or five failed predictions by the central planners of our elections.
00:32:04.000 They thought Donald Trump would be in a very close Republican primary.
00:32:07.000 That's not the case.
00:32:09.000 They thought that Joe Biden was going to be somewhat popular by Labor Day.
00:32:14.000 That's not the case.
00:32:16.000 They thought, at least not where he is now.
00:32:20.000 They thought that the third party candidates would be calmed down.
00:32:23.000 Not true.
00:32:24.000 You have RFK, Cornell West, and no labels bubbling up.
00:32:28.000 They thought that the spring and summer of lawfare against Donald Trump was going to hurt him and almost create a wounded animal situation where he's in a corner and doesn't really act his best.
00:32:39.000 He's actually honestly running a better campaign than anything I saw in 2020, I think, right now.
00:32:43.000 I think he's actually, in a very interesting way, it's actually helping him.
00:32:49.000 And so you very well might see in the first, in the last 24 hours, I've seen more evidence than I have in the last, honestly, year that there might be a plug-and-place campaign to remove Joe Biden as the nominee.
00:33:01.000 So Donald Trump is almost certainly going to be the nominee, right?
00:33:04.000 And he totally has my support 100%.
00:33:07.000 And so, yeah, look, there are some fault lines here.
00:33:09.000 And I would love to debate any of these people.
00:33:11.000 They tend not to want to ever talk to us.
00:33:14.000 I mean, Ed Stetzer or what's the guy from, Andy Stanley, whatever.
00:33:19.000 And I would just ask them a couple questions.
00:33:20.000 Number one, why will you not support a candidate?
00:33:24.000 Why would, forget the candidate, the issues.
00:33:26.000 Is the church essential?
00:33:28.000 Did God create man and woman?
00:33:29.000 When does life begin?
00:33:31.000 Let's start with those three issues.
00:33:33.000 And if you're not going to vote on those three issues because you want to be winsome and win over the world, I'm not really sure you should be a pastor, to be perfectly honest, at that point.
00:33:47.000 And so, yeah, I mean, look, the fault lines are there. 0.78
00:33:51.000 We're going to hear every possible, you know, one-liner where they say, you know, Donald Trump is the worst person ever.
00:33:59.000 And because of that, you know, we're not supporting him.
00:34:02.000 I find those arguments to be unbelievably weak now that we know that also as president, I mean, we would not have had the reversal of Roe versus Wade if it wasn't for him with Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch.
00:34:15.000 We would not have had the embassy move to Jerusalem.
00:34:18.000 Having a border also is a nice thing.
00:34:23.000 So, not to mention, President Trump's been really great on the trans issue.
00:34:27.000 So, and I'll be honest, I think we're in the midst of a 110-year war against the constitutional project of having an unelected fourth branch of government call the shots that can remove presidents at will that have deteriorated the sovereignty of the American people.
00:34:43.000 This is a failed progressive project that is now really hitting a crescendo point.
00:34:48.000 And the reason they go after him as hard as they're going after him is not because of his tweets or his tone or even January 6th.
00:34:54.000 It's because of the promises he's making against the deep state.
00:34:57.000 That's why they're going after him as hard as he is.
00:34:59.000 So thank you for your question.
00:35:01.000 Okay.
00:35:01.000 I appreciate it.
00:35:01.000 Yes, ma'am.
00:35:03.000 Hi, Charlie.
00:35:04.000 I have to tell you, as a lifelong Californian, it's awesome to be in a room full of pro-life people.
00:35:09.000 Like, what a change.
00:35:12.000 And just, you know, given that there are like millions of women in this country who face unplanned pregnancy every year, besides just saying no to abortion, if they want to choose life, but they're not ready to parent, it seems like it would be fabulous to have more of us advocating for adoption, to have them choose adoption.
00:35:32.000 Yeah, I agree.
00:35:33.000 And Pre-Born is here.
00:35:34.000 I do a lot of work with Pre-Born. 0.94
00:35:36.000 They do a great job on our show, and they do a lot with that.
00:35:39.000 Look, I'll be very honest, though.
00:35:41.000 I think the church can do a lot better job of teaching purity culture.
00:35:46.000 This is not my line of work in that sense, but I am completely, I'm totally disappointed how many young Christians are involved in sexually degenerate culture just as much as the secular world is. 1.00
00:35:59.000 It blows me away, actually.
00:36:00.000 And I'll be honest, it's because the church doesn't talk about sin enough.
00:36:03.000 If your whole church is just focused on conversion, which is important, and not talking about sin, and yeah, look, I got married relatively young.
00:36:15.000 And when the celebration of marriage at healthy churches happens a lot, but you'll talk to a lot of Christian parents.
00:36:25.000 They say, oh, just wait till your late 20s.
00:36:27.000 Wait to your early 30s.
00:36:29.000 So you talk about this issue of unplanned pregnancies, which is important. 0.65
00:36:36.000 If they were raped, it was unplanned.
00:36:45.000 They planned it. 0.89
00:36:45.000 They made a decision to get pregnant. 0.89
00:36:49.000 But no one wants to tell them you have to take responsibility for your orgasms.
00:36:55.000 Thank you.
00:37:02.000 Hi, Charlie.
00:37:03.000 Thank you for the conference.
00:37:05.000 I just wanted to get your perspective on the new phenomena of UAPs, unidentified aerial phenomena.
00:37:16.000 And not necessarily from the world's perspective, but I think, do you think that we are dealing with spiritual warfare at this point?
00:37:24.000 I really don't know.
00:37:25.000 And I don't.
00:37:26.000 I haven't actually thought that much about it.
00:37:29.000 So here was my initial, this is, I mean, this.
00:37:31.000 Any pastor can come up.
00:37:33.000 I would love to hear what Lance Walmart has to say or Jack Kibbs has to say.
00:37:36.000 I know it's funny.
00:37:37.000 I could not have cared less about the alien hearing.
00:37:40.000 I don't know why.
00:37:40.000 I had like zero interest where my kind of like deep state antennas went off.
00:37:46.000 And I was like, the true conspiracy theorists think that they're now lying to us about the aliens being real because they're actually not real because they're trying to distract from...
00:37:55.000 Actually, yeah, I'm actually kind of sympathetic to that, honestly.
00:37:59.000 Maybe it's spiritual warfare.
00:38:01.000 Maybe it's technology the government hasn't revealed to us.
00:38:03.000 I don't know.
00:38:04.000 I know that some pastors have some strong opinions on that.
00:38:07.000 Here's what I think.
00:38:08.000 I don't trust the government.
00:38:09.000 And so when the government is like rolling out, like, yeah, you're the same government that said the vaccine is safe and effective and masks work.
00:38:19.000 So I'm back to believing in no aliens now.
00:38:22.000 Thank you.
00:38:28.000 Hey, Charlie, how are you doing today?
00:38:30.000 My name is Chris Rosmarkis.
00:38:31.000 I'm from Nevada, Las Vegas, Nevada.
00:38:33.000 So, yes.
00:38:35.000 One of the big battleground states.
00:38:37.000 So We form an organization called the American Christian Caucus, me and two other pastors, to organize and mobilize churches in Nevada to go out and do the action part.
00:38:50.000 In fact, we're actually working with TP Fade on the educational part.
00:38:54.000 And what we want to do is we believe that you mentioned small churches, between 200 and 2,000 member churches.
00:39:01.000 I believe those are going to be the ones that are going to save America, especially coming from Nevada, Battleground State.
00:39:06.000 So the question is: can we work together in the actual part?
00:39:10.000 I know I talked to Connor.
00:39:12.000 I just wanted to mention that to you.
00:39:14.000 We can do things together to organize and mobilize churches to do ballot harvesting and voter contact in our state.
00:39:21.000 Yeah, and we're going to talk a lot about that tomorrow.
00:39:23.000 And you reminded me of something I said at a speech previously.
00:39:26.000 I should have said it earlier to the gentleman that spoke earlier.
00:39:29.000 I actually am going to reject this idea of small church, big church.
00:39:32.000 There's strong church, weak church.
00:39:34.000 I think that's the divide we need to actually have in America, right?
00:39:39.000 You like that, Jerigan?
00:39:40.000 You can use that one.
00:39:41.000 Yeah.
00:39:42.000 So, yes, yes, yes, we'd love to help you.
00:39:46.000 Your church should be actively involved.
00:39:49.000 Wear legal harvesting ballots, wear legal chasing ballots.
00:39:53.000 Every single one of your congregants should be registered to vote.
00:39:58.000 And then you should have, as part of a ministry team, going through the list, has Sally Sumerie voted?
00:40:04.000 Call her up.
00:40:05.000 Hey, how are you doing?
00:40:06.000 You know, great.
00:40:07.000 Okay, you're coming to Christmas?
00:40:09.000 Yeah, I'd love to have good tickets.
00:40:11.000 Well, have you voted?
00:40:13.000 You know, and then just talk to them.
00:40:15.000 Like, okay, I'll get my ballot in, right?
00:40:17.000 Okay, great.
00:40:18.000 Thanks.
00:40:20.000 Hey, Charlie, thanks again.
00:40:22.000 My question is: I'm a young dad.
00:40:24.000 I'm a business owner.
00:40:26.000 I am a church planter.
00:40:29.000 And how can we help, especially young people, have a positive view of the future and what we're doing?
00:40:35.000 Because it seems like, as conservatives, as Christians, it's always reactionary to everything else that's going on, rather than like what you were just speaking about, going back to scripture and how it defines these things, how it creates the reality and the renewed reality.
00:40:48.000 And how can we offer a positive vision of the future and say, well, it's not really my problem because we're going to be raptured out of here anytime.
00:40:55.000 And rather than a righteous man lays up an inheritance for his children's children?
00:41:00.000 It's such an important question.
00:41:04.000 This is why I think our summits are, if it's the Lord's plan, are going to keep growing.
00:41:10.000 The soil has never been more fertile for a revival.
00:41:12.000 You're dealing with the most depressed generation, anxious generation, suicidal generation, alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted generation.
00:41:19.000 We have 110,000 people drug overdosing on fentanyl every single year, right?
00:41:23.000 And there's a lot of reasons for this.
00:41:26.000 So, one of the things that we talk about at TPSA Faith, and many of you do, super simple, right?
00:41:31.000 How do you give people a vision of the future?
00:41:35.000 People that are pessimistic about the future tend to not be married and have kids.
00:41:41.000 Tend to be.
00:41:43.000 And just understand this.
00:41:44.000 It's not always the case, right?
00:41:46.000 But it's largely the case. 0.65
00:41:48.000 The most, the nastiest parts of American politics are largely driven by 33-year-old women who graduated from Berkeley and they have cats and not kids. 0.99
00:42:03.000 I'm not really a cat person, by the way, just to be honest.
00:42:08.000 But we as a church movement, I think, can do a lot better telling young ladies in particular, you don't have to go become some partner at a law firm.
00:42:20.000 It's okay to get married and have children.
00:42:24.000 In fact, it's great.
00:42:27.000 Not just okay.
00:42:29.000 We have this cohort.
00:42:31.000 I'm not making this up.
00:42:31.000 You see it in the data.
00:42:33.000 Some of the angriest, most resentful people in America are 34-year-old young ladies, and they say, Well, all the good ones have gone.
00:42:40.000 And I lovingly asked, What were you doing at 23?
00:42:42.000 I was trying to make a partner.
00:42:43.000 I was going to grad school and all this.
00:42:45.000 I was like, Yeah, I mean, you got really bad advice, honestly.
00:42:49.000 And, you know, then they have to find some outlet.
00:42:52.000 You know what the outlet they find?
00:42:54.000 Climate change, leftism, Marxism, anti-racism, transgenderism.
00:43:00.000 All the isms of the pagan world fill the void when you do not do the basic thing that God commands us to do, which is to get married and have children.
00:43:10.000 And then I'll go on the other side.
00:43:12.000 And then, you know, a lot of the young ladies say, but Charlie, you know, all the men are like women, the women are like men.
00:43:21.000 We have a, I was going to say something, I didn't say it.
00:43:24.000 So we run a men's summit at TPUSA, and I encourage you to send your men to our men's summit.
00:43:31.000 It's life-changing.
00:43:32.000 It's incredible.
00:43:33.000 It's unlike any other men's summit.
00:43:34.000 It's out in the woods.
00:43:35.000 We don't feed you anything.
00:43:36.000 It's really great.
00:43:37.000 So, you know, we turn boys into men.
00:43:39.000 We break your will, and it's really something.
00:43:42.000 But I would encourage you as a church to focus on building up your boys into men and emphasizing that and celebrating masculinity and talking about the need for strong men.
00:43:56.000 I actually think that can start to solve a lot of your problems.
00:43:59.000 You start to engage in escapism when you haven't done the basic things that Christ and our Lord has commanded us to do.
00:44:07.000 Thank you.
00:44:08.000 We'll take a couple more.
00:44:09.000 Yeah.
00:44:10.000 God bless you, Charlie.
00:44:11.000 I am Bishop Leon Benjamin, New Life Harvest Church in Virginia, also the Real Remnant Church in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
00:44:18.000 It's such a blessing to be here, and thank you for this summit.
00:44:23.000 I have a question.
00:44:24.000 Out of the book of Revelation 13, 16, it says, And he causeth all both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads.
00:44:39.000 And we're dealing with this spirit of Antichrist.
00:44:42.000 We know that he may be here or may not be here, but what do you perceive right now of what they're trying to cause us to do against our will to either go in our head or in our hand to stop us from communicating commerce, making money?
00:45:01.000 What is that Antichrist spirit right now?
00:45:04.000 Can you define it or perceive it?
00:45:06.000 Yeah, at the end of the question, you isolated what I was going to say.
00:45:09.000 I don't know if the person of the Antichrist is here.
00:45:11.000 The spirit of the Antichrist is absolutely here.
00:45:14.000 I'm not going to, I don't know all the theological implications of the mark of the beast.
00:45:19.000 You guys can debate that amongst yourselves, okay?
00:45:21.000 And some people say, oh, you know, the vaccine was or it wasn't, or all that.
00:45:25.000 I have no position on that whatsoever.
00:45:28.000 Not my line of thinking.
00:45:29.000 Here's what the Antichrist would want. 0.61
00:45:32.000 They do want to create a one-world government.
00:45:34.000 Submission of free society and the suffocation of any sort of idea of liberty, which is God's idea, not man's idea.
00:45:41.000 And I got in a debate the other day and they said, but you know, Charlie, that's a tough fight.
00:45:46.000 And they say, of course it's a difficult fight.
00:45:48.000 And we have to occupy till Christ comes because we know how the story ends.
00:45:53.000 And so I'll be very honest.
00:45:54.000 I don't know if it is part of the end times or not, but I am not getting anything drilled into my hole in my head called Neuralink.
00:46:01.000 I'm not doing any of that.
00:46:02.000 And I don't care what they do.
00:46:04.000 I'm not taking any boosters.
00:46:06.000 I didn't take the vaccine shot.
00:46:07.000 And I will say this.
00:46:11.000 And if you took the shot, I'm not here to make you feel bad.
00:46:13.000 I hope it works out for you.
00:46:15.000 And I mean that.
00:46:17.000 So, because the data is not good.
00:46:19.000 But I hope it's all good.
00:46:21.000 So, but this should give you some hope.
00:46:27.000 Despite the fear-mongering and the smearing and the slandering and the misrepresentation and the threatening, you can't be in the military, you can't work for this company, you can't go to college, 35 million people still resisted taking the vaccine.
00:46:43.000 That's a really promising data point.
00:46:47.000 In fact, the oligarchs thought it would be maybe one or two million, not 35 million.
00:46:53.000 So I have no idea if that plays into the mark of the beast or not.
00:46:56.000 You'll have to ask Lance Wall now about that.
00:46:58.000 Thank you.
00:47:02.000 What's up, Charlie?
00:47:03.000 How you doing?
00:47:04.000 I'm wondering if you could help me with this, right?
00:47:06.000 I've been struggling with this.
00:47:07.000 How do you feel about people leaving blue states, running to red states, all right?
00:47:13.000 And I ask you this because I'm a New York City fireman.
00:47:16.000 My wife left her job in retail.
00:47:18.000 We started a homeschooling community.
00:47:20.000 We do a Christian-based Montessori program.
00:47:23.000 We started with seven kids about a year and a half ago.
00:47:26.000 We're up to 93 right now.
00:47:29.000 And yeah, we're looking to just really expand and take this to the next level.
00:47:33.000 But my question is, is that how do I fight this machine, especially New York?
00:47:39.000 Because we weren't thinking about going to South Carolina, opening up one in Texas, but the fight's there.
00:47:46.000 But you really can't win there.
00:47:48.000 So your thoughts? 0.99
00:47:49.000 Boy, this is my opinions change on this topic because I'm a total hypocrite. 0.96
00:47:55.000 I left Illinois for Arizona, right? 0.93
00:47:57.000 So I'll just be very honest, right?
00:48:00.000 So I'm not exactly one that could say stay and fight.
00:48:04.000 Anyone from Illinois?
00:48:05.000 That is a lost cause.
00:48:07.000 I'm sorry.
00:48:09.000 That one's not.
00:48:10.000 I have actually more faith for California than I do for Illinois.
00:48:13.000 And that is not.
00:48:14.000 I'm sorry.
00:48:15.000 I'm just being honest.
00:48:17.000 I got to tell how it is.
00:48:20.000 So I live in Arizona.
00:48:22.000 And here's what I will say.
00:48:23.000 I ran into somebody, I was in Lubbock, Texas last weekend speaking at an amazing church.
00:48:28.000 And someone came up to us and they're donors to our organization.
00:48:31.000 They said, Charlie, we left to Scottsdale here for Lubbock.
00:48:33.000 And I said, why?
00:48:34.000 And they said, oh, you know, Arizona's turning.
00:48:35.000 We want to get ahead of the curve.
00:48:37.000 I said, boy, you're leaving Arizona for Texas?
00:48:40.000 I mean, you're way, you know, you're a little preemptive here, right?
00:48:44.000 And at some point, you have to just say, we're going to keep our roots down and we're going to fight.
00:48:51.000 But you have to.
00:48:52.000 This is important.
00:48:54.000 While you still have some glimpse of freedom, you must articulate what the line is.
00:48:59.000 Because it is irrational and against the reason, which is a gift from the Lord, to say we'll stay no matter what.
00:49:05.000 That is not smart or wise.
00:49:07.000 It just isn't, right?
00:49:08.000 Because think of it in Nazi Germany.
00:49:10.000 I'm going to stay no matter what.
00:49:13.000 And that could happen here.
00:49:14.000 Good.
00:49:15.000 Right?
00:49:16.000 Of course it could.
00:49:17.000 And so, I mean, when they start having gulags, I mean, I don't know, right?
00:49:22.000 Whatever those lines might be, I know this, that if New York or California were to try the non-essential church thing and really jailing pastors, you know, that's a question.
00:49:34.000 But at the same time, I'm encouraged by how much fight there is still left in people here in California.
00:49:40.000 And I'm using California, not as New York.
00:49:43.000 If I may speak personally and politically for a second, I'm glad that people didn't totally leave New York because the House of Representatives would not be under Republican control if it wasn't for California or New York.
00:49:55.000 So you have to pray about it.
00:49:57.000 And it all is based on your mission call.
00:49:59.000 If your call is to be in a place of darkness and be salt and light, you're in the right spot.
00:50:06.000 But if everybody left California, I think that would be, I'm honestly now of the opinion that it's probably a bad idea for everybody to leave.
00:50:13.000 I'm probably of that opinion now.
00:50:15.000 But you have to know that it's going to be a non-stop battle.
00:50:21.000 It's going to be a long crusade and a long fight.
00:50:24.000 But we believe in a God of awesome miracles.
00:50:27.000 Thank you.
00:50:27.000 We do.
00:50:30.000 All right, we'll do a couple more.
00:50:32.000 Yeah.
00:50:32.000 So I keep listening and hearing all of the things that our kids are facing and all of the remedies that we have and taking over school boards, which I think is amazing and awesome and wonderful.
00:50:42.000 But I like to personally go to the root of the problem, which I have believed for a long time, is that we give our children to someone else to raise.
00:50:51.000 And I know that it's been kind of briefly touched on, but in my experience in the church, that's a touchy subject that everyone tries to avoid.
00:51:01.000 So what would you say to that?
00:51:02.000 Yeah, and so this is one of the reasons why we launched Turning Point Academy.
00:51:07.000 If you guys are interested, please go to the Turning Point Academy booth.
00:51:10.000 We are starting church hybrid schools across the country and giving you the resources and the material.
00:51:16.000 And the Turning Point Academy team is doing an amazing job.
00:51:18.000 In fact, we have one in Barrington, Illinois, that is just amazing.
00:51:23.000 Our good program in Illinois here, it's like the last stand.
00:51:26.000 But yeah, you should take a look at that.
00:51:30.000 But look, the question of the modern day is: are you actually a parent?
00:51:35.000 Do you have a follow-up for that?
00:51:37.000 How about homeschooling?
00:51:39.000 Like mothers actually educating their own children, knowing that it is hard and we have to deny self and seek the Lord, but not even doing that, like us taking the responsibility for our children ourselves.
00:51:51.000 We're going to do homeschooling as long as we can handle it, you know, with our daughter, so pray for us.
00:51:58.000 But look, I also understand homeschooling is not realistic for everybody.
00:52:02.000 And so that's why we're trying to do the hybrid thing where you send your kids to one day of in-person instruction and you homeschool for four days.
00:52:09.000 We have seen a massive increase in homeschooling in America, a near tripling or quadrupling.
00:52:14.000 If you haven't already, you're going to hear from classical conversations at some point.
00:52:17.000 I know they're on the agenda somewhere.
00:52:19.000 But here's my encouragement.
00:52:21.000 You might say, Charlie, what are the action items as a church?
00:52:24.000 On a weekly basis, you need to be reminding in the bulletin and the announcements options and opportunity for alternative education for your congregation.
00:52:34.000 Rescue missions from government schools is what I'm saying.
00:52:37.000 We're going to make it easier to homeschool.
00:52:38.000 Here's a local private school.
00:52:40.000 Here's a local charter school.
00:52:41.000 Here's a vetted homeschool group, right?
00:52:44.000 So you as the church need to be the ecclesia, the public square.
00:52:48.000 Christ said, on this rock, build my ecclesia, where you're going up and say, okay, before I get into the message of, you know, in John, let me remind you that we're having an information night on Tuesday of the five best places to send your kid to school in the 20-mile radius, and we're vetting them, and these places are great, and they're private school, charter school, homeschool co-ops.
00:53:06.000 You will be flooded with parent interest.
00:53:08.000 And if you go a step further and you say it's your biblical obligation to engage in that.
00:53:11.000 So, but yes, homeschooling is absolutely ideal.
00:53:14.000 So thank you.
00:53:15.000 We'll go here and then here and we'll close.
00:53:17.000 Yeah.
00:53:18.000 From Awaken.
00:53:19.000 Yeah, good to have you back here in San Diego, Charlie.
00:53:23.000 It was great to see you in Nashville.
00:53:25.000 I had a question because I know from your record of watching you, you're very pro-Israel, and that's one of the reasons I feel like I can trust you as a young mouthpiece here in America.
00:53:36.000 But you mentioned Jerusalem being moved by Trump to become the embassy.
00:53:43.000 And the kind of moral courage that it took to do that after all these promises from these other presidents, Charlie, how do you see America and Israel as God orchestrates that end time and our role in aiding Israel?
00:53:59.000 Yeah, so I'm not going to speak as much of the end times.
00:54:02.000 You know, Jack Kibbs does a much better job of that, but I will say this: an argument that we don't make in defense of Israel enough.
00:54:08.000 And, you know, I was talking to an anti-Israel guy who's a conservative.
00:54:11.000 He's not anti-Israel.
00:54:12.000 He just says, oh, Charlie, Israel doesn't matter.
00:54:13.000 And I say, that's not a fringe belief, by the way.
00:54:17.000 I'd say it's about 50-50 right now in the conservative movement.
00:54:17.000 That's growing.
00:54:21.000 I'm telling you, I know the audience very, very well, okay?
00:54:24.000 Maybe not in your congregation, but it's a real thing.
00:54:26.000 And I'll say, okay, are you a Christian?
00:54:28.000 They say, yeah, of course I am.
00:54:29.000 I say, how do you know the Bible is true?
00:54:31.000 Well, it's because of the Word of God.
00:54:33.000 I said, yeah, okay, I know that.
00:54:34.000 But doesn't it help to be able to go to Jesus' hometown of Capernaum?
00:54:38.000 To go see Hebron of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Sarah, Rebecca, and Leah, to go see the birthplace of Christ, to go see the excavation project of the city of David, to be able to go to the Sea of Galilee, the north in the mouth of the Jordan River.
00:54:50.000 Did you know there's never been a single archaeological excavation discovery that has contradicted the truth of the Bible?
00:54:55.000 It only confirms the truth of the Bible. 0.97
00:54:58.000 For that alone, we must make sure Israel is accessible.
00:55:01.000 We can visit it because it confirms on a daily basis the truth of the word of God.
00:55:09.000 Final question.
00:55:12.000 Oh, okay, sorry.
00:55:14.000 Bianca Gracia here, and I have pastor with me, Pastor Cabrera from the Valley.
00:55:14.000 Hi, Charlie.
00:55:19.000 So I work with Hispanic evangelicals, and one of the things that I have, everybody's always coming up to me saying, what can we do to reach, outreach the Hispanic evangelicals?
00:55:27.000 Well, number one, we self-segregate, and our Hispanic evangelicals, I have urged them to get involved in the political process.
00:55:36.000 So one thing here, because you have all these pastors, you have to, I tell people all the time, you have to learn how to fight using their own laws and processes.
00:55:45.000 And I told the Hispanic evangelicals that they would be very powerful in Texas.
00:55:48.000 We have 254 counties.
00:55:50.000 If we had one pastor of every county involved in their Republican Party, you would write the resolutions and end all of this mess and the laws that they're trying to pass in every single state.
00:56:02.000 So that's one thing that I have to say.
00:56:04.000 I'm going to answer the question.
00:56:04.000 I'm going to let him.
00:56:05.000 I'm sorry.
00:56:06.000 No, I'm going to let him ask the question.
00:56:06.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:56:08.000 But we need resources, Charlie, in Spanish of what you're doing here to get out to the Hispanic evangelicals.
00:56:13.000 That's great feedback.
00:56:14.000 Thank you.
00:56:14.000 Yes, exactly that.
00:56:15.000 I think the Hispanic church is a powerful weapon yet to be used. 1.00
00:56:20.000 And we're everywhere.
00:56:21.000 We're about to be the majority.
00:56:23.000 And so my question to you, Charlie, is this, do you have any plans to do summits for the Latino pastors in Spanish?
00:56:33.000 If we can raise the money for it, then yes, we have a long list.
00:56:36.000 But yeah, I mean, it's a great idea.
00:56:38.000 And, you know, we have a lot of stuff that we're doing in Phoenix.
00:56:41.000 I will say this: that I'm very hopeful about the black church and the Hispanic church.
00:56:46.000 This transgender issue is allowing us to reach communities that I never would have thought possible in a very powerful way.
00:56:55.000 And I'm willing to speak in front of any congregation at any time.
00:56:59.000 So if anyone has a Hispanic church and you want to have me come speak, I think that would be a lot of fun and be able to do that.
00:57:05.000 My Spanish is no bueno.
00:57:06.000 It's not very good.
00:57:07.000 So not good.
00:57:09.000 All right.
00:57:09.000 In closing, everybody, I want to thank you for your attentiveness and for all of your prayers for me personally and for TPUSA.
00:57:17.000 Please continue to cover us in prayer if you so feel led to do that.
00:57:21.000 We're under constant attack.
00:57:22.000 I can't even tell you all the attacks on at times.
00:57:26.000 And so we appreciate it.
00:57:28.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:57:29.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:57:32.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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