00:00:44.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
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00:01:42.000I'm going to go through a list of names and then let you riff.
00:01:45.000Pat Cadell, Lee Atwater, James Carville, Karl Rove, David Pluff, David Axelrod, Steve Bannon.
00:01:54.000All those people, what do they have in common?
00:01:56.000They were, in some ways, the architects, the conductors of successful presidential campaigns that were then able to write books and go on tour and be considered to be thought leaders.
00:02:08.000You made a very interesting observation, which is Joe Biden winning in 2020, being implemented, has no such people that take claim for him becoming president.
00:02:33.000I think, you know, a series of questions need to be answered here, which is, you know, the first one is who ran Joe Biden's campaign?
00:02:40.000I mean, it seems to me like that would be the obvious question for most people who still have suspicions about what actually took place between all of the institutions, apparatus, and shenanigans in 2020 is who ran the campaign?
00:02:55.000Because nobody seems to be putting their hand up and owning that, which is very strange when you think about it.
00:02:59.000It's extremely strange when you think about the fact that we're sold this idea that Joe Biden won the most number of votes of any U.S. president ever in history, and it was the most amazing victory, even though he sat in a basement and spoke to crowds as large as eight throughout the entire campaign.
00:03:23.000Why aren't there political parties around the world, around Europe, across Asia, across Africa, hiring this doyen, this genius who managed to get a man elected who couldn't string a sentence together?
00:03:34.000I mean, you'd think, I mean, you know this industry as well as I do.
00:03:38.000You'd think that that would be leading to some pretty massive consultancy contracts around the electoral world, would you not?
00:03:46.000But, but it's now been years and that person has yet to emerge.
00:03:51.000There is no genius behind that campaign.
00:03:57.000Yeah, so I guess there's two explanations there.
00:03:59.000The first is that there were so many people involved that were actually not part of the campaign, like Mark Elias and others, that it was basically an external fourth branch of government, big business, collusion enterprise, and Joe Biden just happened to be a recipient of the Politburo implementing him.
00:04:17.000Or the second explanation, as far as my calculus goes, is that they did some really unethical things, probably illegal.
00:04:26.000And no one wants to take credit for it.
00:04:29.000Yeah, and I think that's the rub here, isn't it?
00:04:32.000Is that even if, I mean, that Time magazine piece about the broader apparatus.
00:04:40.000I mean, look, we told that story for months and months prior to the election that those things were going to happen with the Election Integrity Project and all of the things that were told to us by people who had studied where the money, where Mark Zuckerberg's money was going, all of that.
00:05:05.000Even if you had all of those things and all of those players and all of those institutions come together, spend that money, and it was like, you say, a Polypuro exercise, there has to be somebody coordinating it, right?
00:05:17.000Somewhere, somebody along the way knew what pieces were being put together, when they would drop, where they would drop, who was putting the money in, who was making the phone calls, who was sending the emails, who was monitoring state by state where this was going on.
00:05:30.000A person exists, but like you say, Charlie, I suspect that person doesn't actually want the infamy associated with that.
00:05:38.000Yeah, I think that there is some, there is intentional efforts of anonymity.
00:05:42.000I mean, one of the best-selling books, and you can learn a lot from it, is the book Audacity to Win by David Plough.
00:05:48.000It's an easy read, and it goes from David Plough coming up with the idea for Barack Hussein Obama to run for president at a chile announcement address.
00:05:57.000It was like 14 degrees in Springfield, Illinois.
00:06:00.000And from that point forward, he goes through how they were able to build a grassroots, I put in quotes, grassroots populist campaign.
00:06:07.000But look, the 08 Obama campaign was remarkable.
00:06:14.000And I think Obama legitimately was able to excite groups of people that otherwise were not able to be involved in politics.
00:06:22.000But now that we're looking back going into 2024, there is this massive gap missing where if you are a political historian or if you're just someone who's not necessarily ideological and you just enjoy history, who's going to write this book?
00:06:39.000And the answer is that there's probably, and I don't think there's probably guilt, but there definitely is a fear that whomever will pop their head up very well might be exposed for either planning or being involved in a crime syndicate that implemented an incoherent person to become president of the United States.
00:06:59.000Yeah, and I have a challenge for all the intrepid Washington reporters who obviously on a day-to-day basis clearly use their column inches to hold power to account and hold the feet to the fire of those who stalk the corridors of power in this city.
00:08:00.000We can't get a single piece of a book or a docudrama on the presidential year that all things being fair, it was actually a very interesting year to live through.
00:08:12.000One of the most interesting elections, I think, ever, especially in modern American history.
00:08:19.000But like you say, everyone would buy it.
00:08:24.000Whoever wrote this book and managed to get to the bottom of who this person is that coordinated the Biden campaign would be a household name overnight.
00:08:35.000Every house in America would have a copy of this book, but nobody seems to want to do any digging.
00:08:39.000Nobody with any access into Biden world, I should say specifically, wants to do any digging.
00:08:44.000And I understand they would, you know, the invites would stop and the hit pieces would start and all of that.
00:08:50.000But surely there's got to be somebody out there in DC world, perhaps at the end of their journalistic careers, that wants to take a shot at one of the biggest stories that could possibly occur in your politics, which is that we have seen a political campaign run by a ghost, effectively.
00:09:09.000This thing is three years old and we still have absolutely zero idea of who the great genius was that delivered more votes in American history than has ever been seen before.
00:09:18.000For the sake of history, at least, write the book.
00:09:21.000What if the reason there is a blackout, what if the reason they have refused to write the book is they want to do it again?
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00:11:11.000You know, they've created this image as far as a lot of their own supporters are concerned that they can do this.
00:11:18.000So now why shouldn't they do it, right?
00:11:20.000Why should a Democratic nominee for president have to actually go out there and meet the yucky people, meet yucky real people and campaign for their vote?
00:12:21.000But the bigger picture about all of this is, and you mentioned the Politburo earlier, and I think that's a really great word to use as far as the Washington, D.C. set is concerned.
00:12:30.000Because what are they really trying to do here, vis-a-vis declassification?
00:12:35.000They're trying to make it seem, and you've already seen the op-eds, The Guardian, The New York Times.
00:12:39.000I've read one in the Boston Globe as well yesterday, that the declassification process is so dated and we shouldn't have to rely on these old men to not steal documents away from whichever government department or whatever part of Congress that they had ever worked in.
00:12:55.000And that everything is basically too old and white and pale and stale.
00:12:58.000And what we really need is a committee-driven approach to this, right?
00:13:03.000Which they mean a Politburo-driven approach to this.
00:13:05.000The people like Alexander Vinman should really be in charge of this.
00:13:09.000The national security apparatus in DC should decide what gets declassified.
00:13:14.000Well, what happens, Charlie, if the national security apparatus is in charge of releasing information pertaining to the national security apparatus?
00:13:58.000But he has that power and was stopped, obviously, by the inner workings of the government.
00:14:03.000However, to go a level deeper, what you're trying to say, though, is they want to stop that power altogether.
00:14:09.000They want it to be a committee of bureaucrats, quote-unquote, experts that no one knows that actually control the declassification process.
00:14:17.000Yes, the people who write the anonymous letters when they're serving in governments like administrations like Trump's.
00:14:40.000Let the American public see exactly what you're trying to hide from them.
00:14:43.000And so what is their response to that is, oh, hold on, wait a minute.
00:14:46.000We can't allow these people who may even get back in next time, Perish the Thor, declassification powers.
00:14:52.000We have to do something to water that down.
00:14:54.000We have to do something to dilute that process.
00:14:57.000And so, you know, unconstitutional though it may be, it has never been beyond them to reach beyond the Constitution.
00:15:03.000It has never been beyond them to not tremble on the Constitution.
00:15:06.000And we will see in the next couple of days, weeks, months, whatever, there will be op-eds all over the place.
00:15:11.000And people on Capitol Hill will start talking about, well, of course, you know, it'll be a randomized committee and it will rotate every two years.
00:15:17.000And that will create the basis for what gets declassified or not.
00:15:20.000And the president can still make his recommendations over what gets declassified, but it is this kind of jury of the national security apparatus that will really have the final say.
00:15:31.000That will lead to them covering up their own mistakes.
00:15:34.000You won't learn the real truth about things that happen in Afghanistan, where your money goes, what's going on in Ukraine, all of that if they get to cover their own tracks.
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00:17:09.000Kurt, I'm going to see you later this week.
00:17:11.000I am going to Dana Point, California, kicking and screaming, but I will be there.
00:17:17.000And I say that half sarcastically because going to the RNC meeting, not exactly where I want to spend my time, but I do so out of duty to our audience and hopefully to the country.
00:17:27.000But Dana Point, if you got it, I will say, I'm glad it's not in, let's just say, Buffalo, New York.
00:17:34.000Love Buffalo, New York, not exactly as nice as Dana Point right now, but it would make more sense.
00:17:39.000I don't know if they were in a battleground state, separate issue.
00:17:44.000I'm going to be doing whatever I possibly can where I can be helpful to the cause of trying to change RNC leadership, whether it be Mike Lindell or Harmeet Dylan, close with both of them.
00:17:54.000You're going to be there as well, Kurt, if I understand.
00:17:57.000Walk us through the state of the RNC race.
00:18:00.000Well, look, I'm going to head down there tonight.
00:18:04.000It's at the Waldorf Astoria, which kind of gives you the, you know, just the thought of the Republicans meeting at the Waldorf Astoria after the semi-disastrous November election.
00:18:16.000You know, where would they meet if they had done well for Psy?
00:18:22.000You know, I, you know, I hear about this obscure resort in southern Utah.
00:18:27.000I think it's called the Amand Geary, where it's $17,000 a night.
00:19:06.000She's making no case for herself except this vague idea of unity, which I'm all for.
00:19:12.000We should unify around Harmee Dylan because Harmee Dylan has a vision of the future that involves reforming the RNC to make it lean, mean, efficient, and a winning machine again.
00:19:48.000And then Harmeet jumped in and Mike Lindell jumped in.
00:19:52.000And people have said, okay, now the situation's changed and so is my vote.
00:19:59.000It's close and it's going to be close.
00:20:01.000It's going to be a squeaker for whoever.
00:20:03.000I don't think anybody's going to win it running away.
00:20:06.000But we have a real chance to put in a candidate who, you know, frankly has not failed.
00:20:14.000Frankly, someone who has a vision in the future, who will audit the RNC, who will corral the consultant class, which I think is very, very important.
00:20:23.000And that's one of the reasons they're fighting so hard.
00:20:25.000There are a lot of people who think their rice bowl is going to get kicked over.
00:20:32.000As for the legal issues, the law fair, which I saw firsthand working in Las Vegas, and I saw the RNC was nearly AWOL, absent without leave.
00:20:46.000Nobody knows the legal aspects better than Harmeed.
00:20:50.000I mean, look, I'm a really good lawyer.
00:20:52.000I'm not modest because you shouldn't be modest as a lawyer.
00:20:56.000But I refer cases to Harmeet because she's very, very good and she knows this stuff.
00:21:03.000And what's important is she's a strategic thinker.
00:21:05.000She's not thinking about the obstacle right in front of her.
00:21:08.000She's thinking a couple terrain features ahead about the battle we're going to fight down the road.
00:21:23.000Rich people are going to write checks anyway.
00:21:25.000What we need are regular folks kicking in their 25 bucks, 100 bucks, and getting bombarded by text messages telling you you're letting down the party because you haven't chipped in yet.
00:21:41.000The small donor base is, you know, it's pretty desolate right now.
00:21:45.000And I think Harmeed will revitalize that because electing Harmeet shows that the Republican National Committee understands it's been on the wrong path and needs to make a change.
00:22:01.000And I believe the small dollar donation strategy has been disrespectful at best and flat out insulting at an even fair analysis of misusing and abusing people on fixed social security and income, acting as if they're quasi.
00:22:15.000And one of them was almost called them a traitor.
00:22:48.000And I just want everyone to understand I'm going to be, we are going to be your voice there because a lot of you say, Charlie, how do I help?
00:22:55.000In fact, the emails you send right now matter more because they're all together.
00:23:00.000And if their phone just starts lighting up while they're in these meetings, it's going to, it's all of a sudden they're going to turn like, hey, are you getting these emails too?
00:23:28.000We took a poll, Turning Point Action took a poll of all of our 11,000 plus people that came to AmericaFest, and 98% of them wanted change in the RNC leadership.
00:24:29.000You know, when you're in a leadership role and I've, you know, I've commanded in the military and led in other situations, and I know you're a leader too.
00:24:40.000You're someone who has to give of yourself to make sure that the people that you're honored to lead are taken care of and their needs are met.
00:24:48.000And I think a lot of our RNC committee members are really feeling that now.
00:24:56.000And they're going to have to think and say, you know, maybe it's disruptive.
00:26:02.000If you cannot, if you can't advance, if you can't make the enemy line go 60 miles to the east every 90 days, you're going to go run a recruitment center in Birmingham, Alabama.
00:27:11.000If you live in Idaho, North Dakota, Kansas, Texas, Florida, whatever, find them and say, hey, dear Sally Sue Marie, I want to change in RNC leadership.
00:27:20.000Please vote accordingly, especially if you are from that state.
00:27:37.000They're not live streaming any of their meeting.
00:27:39.000So they're at a five-star resort, Waldorf Astoria and Dana Point, not live streaming the meeting, trying to elect somebody who's failed to a fourth term.
00:27:48.000Probably not a recipe to build trust for millions of people that need to support the party.
00:27:54.000No, no, Charlie, if you sat down and tried to come up with a plan that was designed to turn people off most effectively, many of these tactics, techniques, and procedures would be in effect.
00:28:08.000I think it was kind of a surprise to them.
00:28:10.000I think they kind of thought, well, we'll just, you know, it'll just be Rana again, and nobody, and there isn't going to be any change.
00:28:17.000And then the change kind of came from the grassroots.
00:28:20.000And then Mike Lindell and Harmee Dylan, and Harmeet's the one I support, said, no, no, no.
00:29:33.000We want them to write those small checks.
00:29:37.000Why would they when their viewers are completely rejected?
00:29:42.000Look, and I'll say this: I can't, in good faith, if Rona's elected to a fourth term, tell our audience to give money, energy, time, or resources to the RNC.
00:29:50.000I'm going to tell them to go to other means.
00:29:52.000And that actually is not a good thing.
00:29:54.000I want the RNC to be a powerful machine.
00:29:57.000I want it to be bulletproof because it can do things that 501c4s and super PACs can't do.
00:30:02.000We've gone into this in a great detail.
00:30:30.000It is effective because for the first time ever, the RNC is now being put on notice of, hey, we actually are in charge and you guys, we put you here.