The Charlie Kirk Show - December 16, 2022


The Terrible, Horrible, No-Good Very Bad Omnibus with Jim Banks, Jack Posobiec, and Tyler Bowyer


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Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Jack Pesobic and Tyler Boyer join us for some geopolitics conversation. We have Rep. Jim Banks talk about the Omnibus, and we talk about Trump s NFT announcement. Also, get involved with Turning Point USA today at turningpointusa.org.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk show, Jack Pesobic and Tyler Boyer join us for some geopolitics conversation.
00:00:06.000 We have Congressman Jim Banks talk about the omnibus, and we talk about Trump's NFT announcement.
00:00:10.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com and get involved with TurningPointUSA today at tpusa.com.
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00:00:33.000 Here we go.
00:00:34.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:36.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
00:00:38.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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00:00:45.000 He's an incredible guy.
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00:01:15.000 All right.
00:01:16.000 We have Congressman Jim Banks joining us.
00:01:19.000 Congressman, welcome.
00:01:21.000 I hope you run for Senate.
00:01:22.000 Do you have plans to do so?
00:01:25.000 Right of the chase, I guess.
00:01:27.000 I'm taking a strong look at it.
00:01:28.000 Senator Braun announced earlier this week that he is running for governor of Indiana.
00:01:34.000 Senator Braun has been a conservative, a reliable conservative, consistent in his voting record over the last four years.
00:01:42.000 Indiana deserves a conservative senator.
00:01:44.000 So I'm going to take a strong look at it.
00:01:46.000 My wife and I will be talking it through, praying it through over the holidays, and I'll make a decision quickly in the new year.
00:01:52.000 Well, we're behind you.
00:01:54.000 I think you would be excellent, and you've been terrific.
00:01:56.000 I wish you would have become whip instead of Emmer, who is just inexcusable.
00:02:00.000 However, I want to ask you about this omnibus bill.
00:02:03.000 I mean, it is without question one of the most insulting pieces of legislation to the American citizen and the grassroots that I've seen in quite some time.
00:02:13.000 And it looks to, if in its current kind of form, it seems that it will authorize nine months of spending all the way to September, basically robbing your term in the House majority.
00:02:28.000 What is your take on this omnibus bill?
00:02:30.000 Yeah, what's the point of having a Republican majority if Republicans are going to go along with a massive, bloated omnibus spending bill that takes celebrity away from the majority?
00:02:41.000 So it's a, I'll be, I'll do everything I can next week when it comes to the floor to oppose it.
00:02:47.000 And keep in mind, the Democrats haven't spoken to House Republicans at all.
00:02:51.000 We've had zero input into the omnibus.
00:02:54.000 I know that Senate Republicans are negotiating with Senate Democrats on their side.
00:02:58.000 The Republicans in the House have been completely cut out of this process.
00:03:02.000 That's why we should all oppose it just for that reason alone.
00:03:05.000 Pass a two-week CR that pushes this into the new majority that recognizes the will of the American voters who gave us a chance to have the majority to begin with.
00:03:16.000 Otherwise, you're just betraying those voters.
00:03:18.000 So, I mean, what is the calculus, though, for some of these Republicans?
00:03:22.000 I don't think the House has many Republicans that are going to vote for this.
00:03:24.000 Maybe Liz Cheney kind of be her swan song.
00:03:27.000 But in the Senate, this is being brokered by Senator Shelby, who will retire in a couple years.
00:03:34.000 You know, in principle, it's an interesting topic to think about.
00:03:37.000 And I'm not trying to put you on the spot on this.
00:03:39.000 In principle, I am a fan of term limits. 0.99
00:03:42.000 But the only issue with term limits or people retiring is Shelby doesn't care. 0.99
00:03:48.000 There's no check and balance.
00:03:49.000 There's nothing you could say to him that will influence him at all whatsoever.
00:03:53.000 He just wants a job at some Birmingham lobby firm.
00:03:57.000 Yeah, I'm sure I think he's retiring in a couple of weeks, right?
00:04:01.000 And he's done at the end of this Congress.
00:04:04.000 And keep in mind, too, you know, Republicans have allowed for earmarks to come back.
00:04:10.000 And there are a lot of earmarks in this omnibus bill.
00:04:13.000 So when you see Republicans voting for it, you might scratch your head and begin to wonder, did they get an earmark into the bill as a reward for their vote?
00:04:23.000 So that's something that I hope.
00:04:26.000 After the bill passes, we see what Republicans voted for, let's go back and comb through and find out how do they grease it?
00:04:31.000 What do they get out of it?
00:04:33.000 At the end of the day, those who have Republicans who vote for it are, again, they're betraying the voters who gave us the majority so that we could do something about reckless spending, about bloated federal government.
00:04:44.000 Charlie, but this is why a minute ago, yes, both at the Senate race, this is one of the reasons that if I run for the Senate, that I want to get there to stop the madness, do something about the national debt and spending and shake it up over there a little bit so they begin to recognize that when they go along with these omnibuses and these massive spending bills, they're directly responsible for a $32 trillion national debt.
00:05:11.000 It is extraordinary.
00:05:13.000 And the lack of outrage.
00:05:15.000 I mean, you got the turtle going on and on and on about how he wants to go home for Christmas.
00:05:19.000 That's a neighboring state of yours.
00:05:21.000 I mean, McConnell says, I want to be on the road by the 23rd.
00:05:25.000 I'm sorry, pal.
00:05:26.000 Our country's fallen apart.
00:05:27.000 We're being invaded on the southern border.
00:05:29.000 We are $32 trillion in debt.
00:05:31.000 We have record inflation.
00:05:33.000 They're going to spend another $37 billion of money to Ukraine.
00:05:36.000 And I got to worry about your Christmas schedule.
00:05:38.000 Like, you should retire. 0.71
00:05:39.000 Like, go be some geriatric lobbyist for some whiskey company or for Louisville slugger.
00:05:45.000 Like, this is an outrage that our country's falling apart.
00:05:48.000 And I got to worry about McConnell's Christmas plans.
00:05:51.000 Yeah, I don't mind coming back next week at all to vote.
00:05:54.000 And I'll be voting no on the omnibus, but let's focus on the issues that the American people sent us here to focus on securing the border, reining in reckless spending, holding China accountable.
00:06:07.000 That's what we should be focused on.
00:06:09.000 Now, you get into a larger point.
00:06:12.000 When we get the gavels and take the majority on January 3rd, if we do this kind of stuff, we're not going to have this majority for very long.
00:06:21.000 We're going to lose the majority after two years because our voters will completely give up on us.
00:06:25.000 But if we lead and focus on issues that matter and rein in federal spending and block massive omnibus spending type bills, then I think we'll grow our majority and we'll win the White House in the process too.
00:06:37.000 So, I mean, let's talk about the new Congress.
00:06:40.000 There is a debate over the new speaker of the House.
00:06:44.000 A fear that I have, Jack Pasobic has, and Tyler has, is the current lack of strategy by some of the more rebellious minds, which, by the way, I fully support rebellion against leadership.
00:06:56.000 I think it's admirable and great.
00:06:58.000 But I don't like kamikaze missions that will result in kind of bedlam and chaos that will give the Democrats or the Unit Party a potential speaker. 0.97
00:07:08.000 How should we think about the January 3rd vote?
00:07:11.000 What is the risk-reward calculation?
00:07:13.000 Well, first of all, the process so far has led to better rules.
00:07:19.000 And this is what I like about it.
00:07:21.000 Everything that we can do to empower rank-and-file members in the House so they have a larger voice, that's good.
00:07:28.000 And Leader McCarthy has gone along with that.
00:07:31.000 So I'm glad for that.
00:07:33.000 There's debates over the motion to vacate and some of the amendment processes, the makeup of the rules committee.
00:07:42.000 There should be more conservative voices on the rules committee, more conservative chairmen and chairwomen of the committees.
00:07:49.000 All of those discussions have led to a healthy outcome that's good for rank and file members in the House of Representatives.
00:07:58.000 Where this goes wrong is by the focus on the January 3rd vote, potentially sabotaging Leader McCarthy's ability to become the Speaker of the House.
00:08:09.000 If you're going to do that, what's your alternative?
00:08:11.000 And that's what these holdouts, they haven't given us a better alternative to a Speaker McCarthy.
00:08:20.000 So that's one of the problems that I have.
00:08:23.000 In fact, if this all at the end of the day leads to a continuation of Speaker Pelosi or a, God forbid, a Speaker Liz Channing type figure that House moderates and Democrats negotiate, then these holdouts have completely, again, betrayed the voters that gave us the chance to be in the majority in the first place.
00:08:44.000 So on top of that, Charlie, I know you understand this.
00:08:47.000 Every day that we're focused on preventing Kevin McCarthy from becoming the Speaker is a day that we lose preparing to hit the ground running and advancing our agenda when we get the majority back on Jan 3rd.
00:09:03.000 And I'm worried about that too.
00:09:05.000 If this takes even more time than after the speaker vote, it's going to take weeks to populate the committees, choose the chairman, pass our first 100-day of legislative agenda.
00:09:19.000 All of that's being held up in the process.
00:09:22.000 Yeah, when I hear from people who I have a long relationship with Matt Gates and I have a lot of respect for him, when he says, well, we're just going to have to let it take some time and we'll figure it out.
00:09:32.000 That seems like an entrance into a risk environment that I'm not exactly ready to entertain given a four-seat majority.
00:09:40.000 So I think the strategy to get concessions has been great.
00:09:44.000 To change the rules and have the most conservative Congress in American history, let's do it.
00:09:49.000 But let's not lose the majority because we hope we can find a leader.
00:09:53.000 Hope is not a strategy.
00:09:54.000 In fact, our track record shows it doesn't go well.
00:09:56.000 Congressman Jim Banks, hope to call you, Senator, one day.
00:09:59.000 Thanks so much.
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00:11:20.000 We got Jack Pasobic and Tyler Boyer here.
00:11:22.000 Do we do?
00:11:24.000 So, Tyler, anything else you want to mention on the RNC stuff that you didn't get a chance to explore?
00:11:29.000 Tyler, name the names.
00:11:30.000 I mean, very simply, this is the fact, which is that we have a we could have done a lot with a lot of this money to win elections.
00:11:40.000 At the end of the day, we have to look at this very, very black and white, which is what is the role of the institutions that we finance and that we participate in.
00:11:50.000 At the end of the day, I'll tell you this.
00:11:51.000 And again, I think I mentioned this to you, Charlie.
00:11:54.000 I think I said on your show.
00:11:55.000 Every time I've talked with Ron, the last time I talked to him, he was like, Ron, I don't hate you.
00:11:58.000 I don't love you.
00:11:59.000 I just want to win.
00:12:00.000 That's all I care about.
00:12:01.000 I don't care about personalities.
00:12:02.000 There's no personality in this.
00:12:03.000 I don't care about, I don't care about swanky four seasons, you know, drinking games, you know, all this stuff.
00:12:12.000 And I actually get the donor events.
00:12:14.000 I don't think that's where we should criticize.
00:12:16.000 No, it's not about donor events.
00:12:17.000 It's about how we use our funds in order to move the movement outside of those things.
00:12:24.000 Raising money, we should bring the RNC.
00:12:26.000 I could tell you the perfect ideal scenario.
00:12:28.000 We spent about 10% of our budget on fundraising, right?
00:12:32.000 That's within reason.
00:12:33.000 That's above where that's almost twice as much as we spend at Turning Point.
00:12:37.000 Okay.
00:12:37.000 Yeah.
00:12:37.000 So we spend around 6%.
00:12:39.000 And so if they were like 10 to 12%, I'd be perfectly fine with that.
00:12:42.000 That's more, I mean, 15%.
00:12:44.000 And the remainder of the money that we use goes exclusively towards winning campaigns.
00:12:50.000 Every dollar should justify itself.
00:12:51.000 Yeah.
00:12:52.000 Period.
00:12:52.000 So let me just tell you the numbers at Turning Point USA.
00:12:54.000 We're very transparent.
00:12:54.000 It's all public.
00:12:55.000 Right.
00:12:56.000 And so last year, we raised this the last reported figure, and this one will be even better this year, praise God, $55.2 million in revenue, and we spent $3.1 million.
00:13:06.000 That's all direct mail.
00:13:07.000 That's all email.
00:13:09.000 That's all tax.
00:13:10.000 Spent that on fundraising.
00:13:11.000 On fundraising.
00:13:11.000 So we spent $3.1 million to raise $55 million.
00:13:15.000 Right.
00:13:15.000 So 6%.
00:13:17.000 That's really good.
00:13:18.000 Heritage Foundation, they're a sponsor of Amfest, and they've been making some really big improvements in recent years, recent months.
00:13:24.000 So they raised $65 million and they spent $14.6.
00:13:29.000 And so that's 22%.
00:13:31.000 That's on the higher spectrum.
00:13:32.000 Right.
00:13:33.000 But the RNC is double that.
00:13:36.000 Almost 40%.
00:13:37.000 Again, that was at one of the meetings that I was sitting in.
00:13:41.000 This was mid-year, so it could have dropped.
00:13:44.000 I doubt it, but it could have dropped.
00:13:45.000 But it was closer to 40%.
00:13:47.000 It was upwards of, let's just call it upwards of 30%.
00:13:49.000 That's really trendy.
00:13:50.000 That's a lot of money.
00:13:52.000 And so when you talk about like the things that they, the swanky stuff they do for members, like we don't need that.
00:13:56.000 I don't need this.
00:13:57.000 I don't need to have an event at four seasons.
00:13:59.000 Like I said, I don't think it needs to be at the Holiday Inn Express, but like I think we Hilton will suffice.
00:14:04.000 Yeah, you don't need the entire room full of tchotchkes. 1.00
00:14:06.000 That's the other thing we do at Turning Point.
00:14:08.000 We host these events.
00:14:09.000 I know how much it costs to actually host a massive event.
00:14:12.000 Why?
00:14:12.000 I ran it for a second or a staff every day or a staff training.
00:14:16.000 We go to Airbnb instead of going to the Ritz-Carlton.
00:14:19.000 But I mean, I'm saying we could do this at a much more cost-effective hotel, get the same effect.
00:14:26.000 We could actually do more than what I think we're doing right now with involving the grassroots, listening to people who actually register voters.
00:14:34.000 That's our job.
00:14:35.000 And so those are the cultural shifts that we're talking about that need to change that I would like to see.
00:14:40.000 I'm happy to be part of it.
00:14:41.000 I'm part of the 168 for a reason.
00:14:43.000 I'm not just like going there just to waste my time.
00:14:45.000 You know, I'm a big, I'm a big believer that the only way to save America is right now through the Republican Party.
00:14:51.000 That could change.
00:14:52.000 I mean, look, the Whig party went away and was replaced at one point by the Republican Party.
00:14:57.000 By the Republican Party.
00:14:57.000 The Republican Party could go away too.
00:14:59.000 But do we need that?
00:15:00.000 No.
00:15:01.000 What we need is a winning message moving forward, managing our resources as effectively as possible, and then using the resources that we're entrusted with to win to win races.
00:15:11.000 So the way the federal election code is written, if Tyler Jack and I said, you know what?
00:15:16.000 We don't like the Republican Party and we start the Tyler Jack-Charlie super PAC.
00:15:20.000 We're not allowed to coordinate with campaigns.
00:15:22.000 We're not allowed to share data.
00:15:24.000 We're not allowed to communicate with candidates.
00:15:25.000 And we're not allowed to be able to be in meeting or strategy sessions.
00:15:29.000 The RNC is legally allowed to do all those things.
00:15:32.000 And so the RNC is only allowed to raise $750,000 per person.
00:15:36.000 You might say, Charlie, it's a ton of money.
00:15:38.000 It is, but in Super PAC world, that's not a lot of money.
00:15:40.000 Okay.
00:15:41.000 So therefore, the RNC can do things that no one else can do, but it also can't raise as much money as Super PAC.
00:15:48.000 Those are two reasons why this spending needs to be under an even more intense microscope, right, Tyler?
00:15:53.000 Yeah, I mean, again, this comes back to there's some spending that's in here that was reported last night, and I was, I was surprised by it.
00:16:01.000 I had heard some things about this.
00:16:02.000 Whispers and rumors.
00:16:03.000 I mean, these are public records, right?
00:16:05.000 And like the point that you brought up is like, this is never talked about.
00:16:08.000 This is never talked about.
00:16:09.000 So this race is bringing this out. 0.99
00:16:12.000 Turning points expenditures are examined with more scrutiny and more examination.
00:16:16.000 How many articles and books?
00:16:18.000 Yeah, and we are not the Republican Party.
00:16:20.000 Yeah.
00:16:21.000 I mean, I mean, we're effective.
00:16:23.000 We got to give a huge, I'm sure you did earlier, but huge shout out to Jennifer Van Law for just doing the yeoman's work on this, putting in, and I think she tweeted something.
00:16:32.000 She sent me a message like nights after night, just digging through these files to put this all together.
00:16:38.000 And Charlie, when you sent me the next, I got it from you earlier.
00:16:42.000 And then I think producer Andrew had sent around the same time.
00:16:45.000 And I said, it doesn't look right.
00:16:47.000 And then he went back to Jen and said, Jen, are you sure?
00:16:51.000 Because this percentage, it just seems way more sense.
00:16:54.000 It doesn't make any sense.
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00:18:18.000 Jack, what other stories you're covering?
00:18:21.000 You had an interesting story you said you covered on Human Events Daily today.
00:18:24.000 Look, there is this huge leaked cable that has come out of the Pentagon under the Biden administration that it sounds like something you hear out of the Bush administration, by the way.
00:18:36.000 I almost said Bush there for a second because it's talking about the fact that, you know, Charlie, you remember that you were a little less than happy with me earlier this year when I went to Ukraine and didn't tell anyone.
00:18:46.000 I was upset.
00:18:49.000 But I got back and one of the things that we uncovered while on the ground there were black market deals for the arms that like we basically met somebody who was selling them and was telling us how he did it and was talking to people on WhatsApp and Pfizer and Telegram.
00:19:07.000 And then on the ground.
00:19:08.000 Well, it's like, I mean, not his level, right?
00:19:11.000 But, you know, like the, like the, like Victor Boot Jr. maybe.
00:19:14.000 And that he, you know, like Victor Boot's Serbian nephew or something.
00:19:20.000 And basically this idea there's this huge market for black market AR-15s now.
00:19:26.000 And the cable that came out just recently, and NBC News is reporting this very quietly, that the Pentagon realizes it, that they have no clue what's going on with this, with these sales, with these shipments, the same way that, and then to your point, the same way that I'm sure Victor Boot knows about it, and he's going to be getting in on this action, and he's definitely going to be going down to Afghanistan with the billions that we left behind there.
00:19:49.000 And now the Pentagon's response, again, NBC News.
00:19:54.000 Well, the way to deal with this, it's simple, Charlie.
00:19:56.000 We're just going to send more active duty U.S. troops on the ground in Ukraine.
00:20:03.000 And they have a new memo talking about this, where it's going to be an increase in the number of U.S.
00:20:08.000 And remember, just yesterday, the Royal Marines, it came out that are conducting covert operations in Ukraine.
00:20:13.000 And they say, oh, but it totally stopped when the Russians invaded.
00:20:16.000 We're definitely not conducting covert operations now.
00:20:18.000 Sure, I'm sure we can trust you guys on that.
00:20:22.000 No problem, MA6.
00:20:24.000 And the last line of this memo, it says, not only to track the weapons, but also to ensure that the Ukrainian military is using the weapons properly.
00:20:38.000 Charlie, this is textbook mission creep.
00:20:40.000 It's also the exact same playbook that we saw in Iraq.
00:20:43.000 We saw it in Syria.
00:20:43.000 We saw it in Afghanistan.
00:20:44.000 We saw it in Vietnam.
00:20:46.000 We saw it in Korea.
00:20:47.000 First, you send the advisors, then you send the trackers, then you say, well, it's just an advisory mission.
00:20:52.000 And then it just keeps going further and further.
00:20:54.000 And unfortunately, it gets us to the point.
00:20:57.000 And this was Mearsheimer's warning from last week about the escalation in Russia, because we're already in a hot proxy war with Russia.
00:21:04.000 We are.
00:21:04.000 The United States is today right now in a proxy war with Russia.
00:21:08.000 What happens if you get to the point where it's a couple of U.S. advisors that press the button that fires the Patriot missile or the drone, whatever it is, and then Russians are killed by it on the ground in an active conflict?
00:21:20.000 I mean, I actually think Russia doesn't have an appetite to go to war with us.
00:21:23.000 I think they'd be kind of like, okay, stop it.
00:21:26.000 I don't actually think they would. 1.00
00:21:27.000 I think we're so stupid to do it. 1.00
00:21:29.000 And I don't think Russia's that dumb. 1.00
00:21:31.000 I hope. 1.00
00:21:32.000 I don't think they have an appetite for it.
00:21:33.000 I certainly hope, but at the same time.
00:21:35.000 I certainly don't.
00:21:35.000 I would speak out.
00:21:36.000 I'd be like, what are we doing?
00:21:37.000 This is where, see, this is the problem, though, that gets you into a situation where then what happens if Putin comes up and Tyler, you know about this that someone served on a religious experience in Russia.
00:21:49.000 He's not a Russian agent.
00:21:51.000 So what happens when one of the hardliners family?
00:21:53.000 Okay.
00:21:54.000 What happens when one of the hardliners in Russia says, hey, these Americans just took out our blessed soldiers and this guy Putin won't even do anything about it.
00:22:03.000 Now they moved to get him out of office.
00:22:04.000 Now you've got a hardliner in that says we are going to attack America because we need to respond for the like you can see the permutations were of where this goes.
00:22:12.000 I actually view Putin the same way I view Lenin in Russian history.
00:22:16.000 Which he was this transformative leader.
00:22:16.000 Really?
00:22:19.000 People really respected him.
00:22:21.000 And then he went away.
00:22:23.000 And then what did we get?
00:22:24.000 We ended up with Stalin in Russian.
00:22:26.000 And the Russians. 0.79
00:22:28.000 Russians have... 0.97
00:22:29.000 Lenin warned us against Stalin.
00:22:31.000 Russians and the they have the propensity to install bad leadership. 1.00
00:22:36.000 Okay.
00:22:36.000 And any culture within world history that has the propensity to install bad leadership, we should probably keep an eye on.
00:22:43.000 Whether it's China, whether it's Germany.
00:22:44.000 I'm sure they say the same thing about it.
00:22:45.000 You're saying there's someone worse than Putin that could take over.
00:22:48.000 Of course, what Jack's saying is exactly right, which is when Putin's done, he's old.
00:22:52.000 He's getting very old.
00:22:55.000 When they have a fight over who becomes the next leader, do you think Russians are going to be more likely to be like, we want all the brave parts of Putin, but we want to attack people?
00:23:04.000 Or do we want to be like this like you'll get a guy who's serving right now, probably in the current conflict that comes up and says, I delivered for the motherland in battle and now I will deliver in the Kremlin.
00:23:20.000 Like we did Ukraine all wrong. 0.67
00:23:21.000 You can see, right, you can see we did Ukraine all wrong. 0.99
00:23:24.000 We have to fight back.
00:23:25.000 And look, no matter what that turns into, whether it's, you know, which is what, and I want to be very clear, we're saying we, this is what we don't want.
00:23:32.000 We very much do not want these things to happen.
00:23:34.000 I mean, to Charlie's point, I, as a student of Russian history and of current, of current mother, you know, present-day Russia, I don't think that Putin wants to go to a world war.
00:23:45.000 But what I do believe is this: is that, you know, our involvement, over-involvement with that could end in harming people, the people of Poland.
00:23:57.000 I have family in Poland, right?
00:23:58.000 I have Pasobiks that live in Poland right now in our ancestral village right on the border with Ukraine that would immediately be in harm's way. 0.97
00:24:07.000 And then you have the people of Central Asia.
00:24:07.000 Yeah.
00:24:10.000 You have countries like Armenia who just get walked over.
00:24:15.000 All of these people are, yeah, these are lives, right?
00:24:19.000 That really don't want to piss off Russia and upset Russia.
00:24:24.000 And, you know, the Armenians don't love Russians.
00:24:27.000 The Armenians? 0.75
00:24:28.000 The Armenians is a good example. 1.00
00:24:29.000 They don't like anybody.
00:24:30.000 They don't love Russians. 0.99
00:24:32.000 And I can tell you, but they'll work with Russia. 0.53
00:24:34.000 But they have to work with Russia.
00:24:36.000 They're under the shadow of Russia because they don't want to get destroyed by also other central Turks and by the Turks or the Azerbaijanis or the Iranians or anyone else, right?
00:24:46.000 Like, so there's this complex misunderstanding that normal Americans don't have of the entire ecosystem that revolves around the former USSR and Russia.
00:24:56.000 Yeah.
00:24:56.000 That, again, I don't think we need a USSR, you know, and I certainly think, don't think that that's the trajectory that we're on, but our response might create a USSR.
00:25:06.000 Which that being said, prior to 2014, a lot of these relations were normalized.
00:25:11.000 You didn't have a destabilized Ukraine.
00:25:13.000 You didn't have a destabilized Belarus.
00:25:16.000 You didn't have the conflicts.
00:25:18.000 And so the Syrian conflict had kicked off on that.
00:25:20.000 It was all the CIA that did all of this.
00:25:22.000 Right.
00:25:22.000 And the only country that was destabilized was Syria.
00:25:25.000 And that was because of operations like the CIA-led Operation Timber Sycamore, which was signed off by John Brennan, which was signed off by Barack Obama.
00:25:33.000 Hillary Clinton, when she was Secretary of State, she led, you know, led the charge there.
00:25:38.000 And this was, and again, arming, they came up with this wonderful term.
00:25:41.000 It's a beautiful term.
00:25:43.000 Moderate jihadist.
00:25:44.000 You remember that, Charlie?
00:25:45.000 The Kurds? 0.97
00:25:46.000 The moderate jihadists.
00:25:47.000 I'm talking about the Free Syrian army, the Syrian opposition.
00:25:51.000 Those were Kurds.
00:25:52.000 And there were Kurds and there were Arab Syrians as well.
00:25:56.000 Yeah.
00:25:56.000 So the Kurds, the Kurds is.
00:25:59.000 That's northern Iraq.
00:26:00.000 So that's northern.
00:26:01.000 That's separate from the, so that's like the YPPG.
00:26:05.000 They were part of the Syrian resistance against Assad.
00:26:07.000 There's this, right?
00:26:08.000 There's this whole group of resistance to Assad, which included moderate jihadis, which we said, and this goes back to Kinzinger.
00:26:19.000 This goes back to John McCain when he was around.
00:26:21.000 Lindsey Graham was around this.
00:26:23.000 And Ruby was in the middle of this.
00:26:25.000 Klobuchar was in on pieces of this.
00:26:28.000 And the idea was, in their mind, that if we start a civil war in Syria, we can get rid of Assad for reasons that somehow support the United States.
00:26:39.000 It's a proxy war against Russia.
00:26:42.000 Which, well, and then Russia comes in and says, we don't want to lose our Mediterranean warm water port, and we're going to keep Assad right where he is. 0.94
00:26:49.000 Yeah, and it ended up, I don't know, displacing 6 million people and inadvertently creating ISIS. 0.65
00:26:55.000 Well, that's correct.
00:26:56.000 Yeah.
00:26:57.000 And so, but what I'm getting at, though, is which also, by the way, started with armed shipments.
00:27:01.000 Again, you could keep on unfolding and going back and back in time.
00:27:05.000 But in the last decade, so many of these destabilized countries are because of us.
00:27:09.000 Yes, that's entirely my point.
00:27:11.000 That's what that's what we're saying.
00:27:12.000 The minute that we start that you get these egghead brainlets in Langley and they start telling themselves that just because they have an IV, they're all Yo Roths.
00:27:23.000 Can we just say it?
00:27:23.000 It they're all yellow roles running the CIA.
00:27:27.000 That you have these people who think that they believe that just because they have their wonderful dissertations and their Annenberg School of Communications credentials, that they can go in and they know what's best for Syria and they know what's best for Libya and they know what's best for Ukraine.
00:27:44.000 And that they just go and move some things around and support this group over that group.
00:27:48.000 It'll be great and everything will be fine.
00:27:50.000 Well, and that's the reason why, I mean, again, I mean, by the way, when has regime change, when has regime change in Russia ever gone bad?
00:27:57.000 I'm not the geopolitical mind that you are, but from a simplistic standpoint, and most of our listeners and you know, take it as a simple approach.
00:28:06.000 That's why, and having spent time over there, I've always like questioned, why haven't we invested more into partners like Armenia?
00:28:15.000 Why haven't we done Turks or in NATO?
00:28:18.000 That's why. 0.54
00:28:18.000 I understand that, but like that, why aren't we, why aren't we creating a backstop against the Turks who they're the ones so corrupt? 0.54
00:28:26.000 They never should have.
00:28:27.000 But why do you think Jeff Flake is the ambassador in Turkey right now? 0.95
00:28:30.000 Because it's the gay, the great American empire that wants it that way. 1.00
00:28:34.000 I'm telling you, right? 0.96
00:28:36.000 The fact is, is right now, Turkey should be the referee in this whole thing. 0.88
00:28:39.000 We should be nowhere near it.
00:28:41.000 And NATO, by extension, should be saying, Turkey, we expect you to handle this and that's your job in NATO. 0.81
00:28:47.000 That's my opinion.
00:28:48.000 But like, look, we should have partners where it's like, yeah, I mean, if we but the thing is, because Turkey's got an incentive here too, because who is selling the Bay Rakhtar drones to Ukraine?
00:28:58.000 It's Turkey.
00:28:59.000 They're all Turkish drones. 1.00
00:29:00.000 And then you've got Iran on the Russian side.
00:29:02.000 So Iran is because Russia's getting the Kremlin's got a deep state in a military industrial complex and all of these things as well.
00:29:07.000 So they're getting their drones.
00:29:09.000 So you've got Iranian drones going up against Turkish drones, where Ukraine is just the battlefield. 0.79
00:29:16.000 And the poor people who are caught in the middle, like, and I don't know if you've seen these videos out of Bakhmut right now, the city that's right, it's sort of in on the outskirts of Donetsk.
00:29:25.000 Yeah.
00:29:25.000 I mean, it is, and there's a piece in Newsweek earlier this week.
00:29:28.000 They called it the Ukrainian Verdun.
00:29:30.000 Yeah.
00:29:30.000 That, I mean, it's just getting torn up.
00:29:32.000 Everybody there is just getting torn up.
00:29:34.000 And they've taken the civilian, the whole city is a ghost town now because they've gotten the civilians out of Dodge and they're just tearing everything up like a meat grinder. 0.97
00:29:42.000 And on both sides, it's just you hop on Telegram for five minutes and look up the word if you've got the stomach for it because it's just fields of bodies.
00:29:49.000 It's just straight up fields of bodies.
00:29:51.000 And I look at this and I, and I think of it as a father too, that these are sons that I've been able to do.
00:29:57.000 I've been to be able to, that they're never going to be able to come home to their families.
00:30:01.000 Yeah, we went as far as Mikolaev.
00:30:04.000 I lived on the other side of the border.
00:30:05.000 You're on the other side.
00:30:06.000 I was on the other side of the border and I lived in Tagarog and I lived in Novichikovsk, which was.
00:30:11.000 And that's still Donbass, right?
00:30:12.000 That's that's the Don River basin.
00:30:14.000 So I lived in Rostov Nadanu, which is Rostov on Don.
00:30:18.000 And that's where that whole.
00:30:19.000 So that's the Russian side right on the border.
00:30:23.000 Is the Russian side of that?
00:30:24.000 And then Donyetsk is on the other side.
00:30:26.000 And I, you know, I'll tell you, it's not a pretty place.
00:30:29.000 I mean, it's pretty landscape-wise, but like, it's, it's poor.
00:30:32.000 It's poor.
00:30:32.000 It's very poor.
00:30:33.000 It's the dirty south of Russia. 0.98
00:30:34.000 Yeah.
00:30:35.000 Everybody there that has anything that's worthwhile is military, tons of military down there.
00:30:42.000 And the reality is this is like they have zero respect for Ukraine.
00:30:45.000 Zero respect. 0.97
00:30:46.000 The Russians hate Ukrainians. 0.95
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00:32:22.000 Jack or Tyler, Trump NFTs.
00:32:25.000 What is this all about?
00:32:26.000 I think it's a merch deal.
00:32:27.000 I think it's a merch deal at Christmas time.
00:32:29.000 You're saying it's a major announcement.
00:32:31.000 Who's who on that staff?
00:32:32.000 Well, don't, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:32:33.000 Don't downplay.
00:32:34.000 All right.
00:32:35.000 I think Jack.
00:32:37.000 I mean, I'm the most pro-Trump guy in the world.
00:32:39.000 What annoyed me.
00:32:40.000 Here's what annoyed me: that there was a major announcement on this digital Bill of Rights that came out today.
00:32:45.000 That would have been, that is a major announcement.
00:32:47.000 But for some reason, that came out after the NFT deal, which I feel like kind of muddied the waters in terms of the whole thing.
00:32:54.000 Tyler, is this a wise way for Trump, like for his team to be kind of elevating his I'm let down?
00:33:03.000 I mean, look, I don't think you, there's only so many times.
00:33:06.000 We know this in politics, right, Tara?
00:33:09.000 Who made the decision to do the announcement this way?
00:33:11.000 Well, running in an organization.
00:33:13.000 I'd like to know.
00:33:14.000 Like, we have you only get so many chances to say, we have a big announcement.
00:33:18.000 And I'm telling you, if you waste those on NFT, and again, there's nothing wrong with it.
00:33:23.000 Right.
00:33:24.000 I actually don't think because both videos were pre-recorded.
00:33:27.000 I don't think anybody knew that he had both videos pre-recorded.
00:33:29.000 I don't feel negatively about doing different stuff.
00:33:32.000 I just think it's bad for the president to, I don't think he's taking it seriously when he says, I have a major announcement and people are expecting to like announce a vice president.
00:33:43.000 Announce a vice president or like have like a pocket pardon he saved from like the last president.
00:33:48.000 You know what I mean?
00:33:49.000 Like, actually, I pardoned Sam Bankman freed the last day.
00:33:54.000 Like, that would have been like news.
00:33:56.000 That's newsworthy.
00:33:56.000 Yeah.
00:33:57.000 But like, or even just.
00:33:58.000 Well, because Bankman was donating to the other side.
00:34:00.000 No, but the point is something like that.
00:34:01.000 That would have been something major.
00:34:03.000 Or to talk about declassified information or use his position as former president to talk about information that we all want to know about.
00:34:10.000 So like stuff like that, I think is all.
00:34:12.000 Yeah, no, so that's right.
00:34:13.000 Like, actually, I have all the, I have all the Russia files and here they are.
00:34:16.000 Or here's all the alien stuff.
00:34:17.000 Or here's all the stuff.
00:34:19.000 Or like, here's all the aliens and the illegal aliens. 0.63
00:34:21.000 I was waiting on that for so long.
00:34:23.000 And I tell people all the time, I was like, if Trump would have just declassified like a ton of stuff that he wasn't supposed to, like, he would have become a hero.
00:34:31.000 He should have ended every class of stuff.
00:34:34.000 Yes.
00:34:34.000 The NFT should be the disclass.
00:34:36.000 Wait, wait, Charlie.
00:34:37.000 I got it right.
00:34:38.000 Here's my take on this, though.
00:34:39.000 Here's what I said.
00:34:40.000 What he should have done is like you need NFTs of journalists done as the garbage pail kids.
00:34:45.000 And if he doesn't do it, I'm doing that.
00:34:46.000 I'm doing it.
00:34:47.000 I'm doing it.
00:34:48.000 If you're a former president, make the NFTs like the era classified documents and stuff.
00:34:52.000 Don't declassify.
00:34:56.000 All right.
00:34:56.000 Come on, guys.
00:34:59.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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