00:00:01.000On a special weekend episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, my conversation about the theology of Marxism with James Lindsay and Michael O'Fallon from Sovereign Nations, that is sovereign nations.
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00:02:38.000Well, we just went through a conversation with Dr. James Lindsay a few minutes ago about the theology of Marxism.
00:02:48.000And do you want to kind of sum up what you had just said?
00:02:51.000And then I want to transition from that into a conversation with Charlie because Charlie serves at the front lines of everything that's happening.
00:02:59.000In many ways, I've been behind the scenes for a number of years.
00:03:02.000James, of course, is front lines, but boy, Charlie takes most of the arrows.
00:03:06.000But Dr. Lindsay, could you just explain to us again what you just spoke about?
00:03:15.000There are two major components, or three, I guess.
00:03:18.000Marx wants to throw down religion as a mystification.
00:03:21.000And in place of that, he's going to take Rousseau's leftism, the idea of a social contract governing society in an increasingly socialist way where we willingly give up our freedoms to achieve more freedom in the name of the greater good.
00:03:38.000And then he's going to tuck that into the Hegelian dialectic as a process to transform society into its ideal state.
00:03:45.000And so man is the creative subject in this religion who doesn't realize that he is his own God yet, but can realize that through this process by understanding the nature of his suffering rather than masking it with the opium of religion.
00:04:01.000And in the long march of history can actually realize his true nature, which is transcendent of private property, totally communistic, perfectly social.
00:04:09.000And social man lives in social society with no difference between man and society any longer.
00:04:17.000And the way that we get there is that the conscious within this, the woke within this religion, the born again within this religion, however you want to phrase it, seize the means of production of man, society, and the world and transform it into a more human form, a form more usable by man, a form more suitable to man, which is essentially the Garden of Eden remade by men for men on earth as it isn't in heaven.
00:04:43.000Charlie, how do you see that manifesting itself right now, not just within the political realm, but as well with the other cultural realms that you are dealing with right now on a daily basis?
00:04:59.000Actually, two really, really important years, the last two years.
00:05:02.000I blew both these guys off years ago because they came up to me at some event and I was like, I don't know what you're trying to do with Sovereign.
00:06:15.000In fact, that should make you take pause.
00:06:17.000I would rather have the super corrupt person that doesn't really think it through and they just want to be senator this or congressman that.
00:06:24.000It's the person that actually thinks they're going to usher in an equivalent of heaven on earth through the destruction, through the dialectic, through the destruction of the American currency, through the opening of borders, through the elimination of gender norms.
00:06:40.000They think through all of that tension of the thesis and the anti-thesis that they're actually going to get to something that will be meaningful and better.
00:06:49.000And this was illuminated for me in amazing detail recently where I went on Tim Poole's program, who's kind of a Joe Rogan type.
00:06:56.000And I was debating a legitimate Marxist, a communist, and we started talking about Hegel.
00:07:01.000And he stopped me because I said, how do you believe about this stuff?
00:07:04.000He said, Charlie, you're trying to tell me you don't think things are getting better?
00:07:11.000And they actually believe through the chaos, through the disruption, through the destruction, that transition will then lead towards some sort of inevitable perfection.
00:07:21.000Now, this is so pathologically insane for those of us that live in the real world, that are Christians, that are raising children, that are married.
00:07:30.000We just kind of look at this abstract ideology in the clouds and be like, yeah, go back to whatever weird feminist studies department it came from.
00:07:37.000The problem is that this is running our corporations, it's running our military, it's running the top levels of our government, it's running our curriculum, and it's now being run at not just an American level, but a global level.
00:07:49.000And I've kind of spent a lot of time the last couple months.
00:07:52.000Some of you probably seen the campaign we've been running the last couple weeks all around trying to get Americans educated in what the Great Reset is.
00:08:00.000I've spent a lot of time on this, and it is pure Hegelianism.
00:08:05.000It is the theology of Marxism, where, again, I don't know why they always pick Germans to run their one world government plan.
00:08:11.000Like, were all the French unavailable?
00:08:16.000It's just right out of a James Bond film.
00:08:18.000Like, just you hear him talk, I inherently don't trust you.
00:08:33.000And so, anyway, we could talk about this.
00:08:35.000I don't want to monopolize the time, but the takeaway for all of you, and my message at the grassroots, which is why this forum is so incredibly important, is do not underestimate your opposition.
00:09:03.000An ideologue is far more dangerous than a power-hungry politician.
00:09:07.000And as we just talked about in the session a couple sessions ago, is that when you really look at what we would call the great reset, the great reset is a transition again.
00:09:16.000And so we had talked about it in regards to the French Revolution at Robespeak and the Jacobins, where they looked at it as a year one scenario.
00:09:23.000You would have Paul Pott looking at it as a year zero scenario and so forth, to reset everything and start all over again in the right patterns.
00:09:34.000And Dr. Lindsay, just from what you have said in the past, I know some things that you said on Joe Rogan's program a few months ago really resonated with a number of people in regards to kind of explaining what the intent is of really creating that reset and moving into the next phase of humanity.
00:09:51.000And really it's what you were, I think we're just referring to in your previous session, correct?
00:09:55.000Yeah, I mean, so the model is ultimately what Karl Marx is talking about is that man is estranged from himself and estranged from nature.
00:10:03.000So what we have to do is we have to actually reset the world out of this unsustainable capitalist model, this shareholder capitalist model, where capital produces capital, produces capital, which is inherently, according to them, unsustainable system.
00:10:15.000That's in fact inherently a logical system that has to create weirder and weirder justifications for itself.
00:10:22.000But because it's an unsustainable system, as maybe you could read some of the mid-century, previous century, 20th century Marxists would have written, you know, that it produces...
00:10:33.000So what capitalism does for them, why it's not a sustainable system, is, well, sooner or later, all the basic needs are met.
00:10:39.000People have a pretty good standard of living.
00:10:41.000And so then what happens is, well, people still need jobs.
00:10:44.000So people create things that nobody needs just so that they can have more commodities to sell and to buy.
00:10:51.000And so what happens is that level happens.
00:10:53.000Everybody's basic needs are met, and then you make a layer of fake needs, and then the capitalist system fills that in, and then you make a layer of fake needs above that, and the capitalist system fills that in.
00:11:04.000And this just goes on infinitely, creating more and more and more and more in an infinite spiral that eventually crashes the whole system, collapses the ecosystem, destroys nature.
00:11:13.000In other words, where man is supposed to live and extract value and life from, destroys humanity itself by turning him into an increasingly commodity form.
00:11:22.000And so what you see, whether it's Karl Marx or that's me paraphrasing Herbert Marcuse in the essay on liberation and One Dimensional Man, his books from the 60s, you see this kind of consistent theme.
00:11:33.000But what you see with Klaus Schwab is that there's been a problem, he says, in his newest book called Zegret's Narrative, The Great Narrative 2022, to follow after the Great Reset.
00:11:44.000See, we'll have the Great Reset to reset the world, which the full title of that book is COVID-19, the Great Reset, because COVID-19 turns out to be a unique opportunity, a narrow window of opportunity to shift the world to a new state.
00:11:58.000But what's going to come on the other side is one where we're going to be more inclusive, more resilient, and more sustainable.
00:12:04.000And what that actually works out to is that we have to take into account the natural world, the environment, but we also have to take into account things that corporations often don't pay attention to.
00:12:14.000You have environmental externalities, like they don't care to pollute.
00:12:17.000It's external to their balance sheet, so it's an externality.
00:12:20.000But they also don't really care about so-called human capital and what it actually means to live and be as a human.
00:12:25.000And Klaus Schwab actually says this in the Great Narrative, that the goal is to make nature and humanity so that it can be a sustainable, flourishing future, because capitalism doesn't contain the logic necessary to accomplish this.
00:12:40.000But that's literally what Karl Marx wrote in the third manuscript of the Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts that I was just quoting from in the previous lecture.
00:12:47.000And we see the continuity through Herbert Marcuse, for example, very clearly if you read his works through the 1960s.
00:12:53.000So what we're seeing is that the Great Reset is to usher in a new paradigm that's based off of this exact same theology, this exact same idea that we can let the people who actually know how stuff's supposed to work and what the world's supposed to look like solve all of our problems for us, which are getting increasingly existential, increasingly out of control.
00:13:14.000Did you know we have synthetic biology now, he tells us, where you could create pandemics?
00:13:22.000Did you know that we're moving into a digital currency regime, he says, and that people could hack your currency, or they could even control and turn off your currency.
00:13:31.000Or you could have a digital ID that controls your buying and selling or any of these things.
00:13:35.000Did you know that these are happening?
00:13:36.000He says that over and over again, how dangerous the world is.
00:13:38.000Better let us manage it for you because they're the ones who know.
00:13:41.000And the goal is to make sure that we uplift humanity and uplift the environment so we have environmental and social goals at the heart of everything we're going to accomplish in our new sustainable environment that we're going to usher in.
00:13:54.000So we are no longer caught in the contradictions of capitalism that will destroy humanity and our natural world that we live in.
00:14:04.000And the thing that Charlie was just talking about a moment ago is that where James is talking about this from an economic structure level and in terms of the systems that we have that are coming in, that same thing that Charlie was just discussing earlier is that it's coming into then the rest of the pillars of our civilization.
00:14:21.000And I think, especially in regards to the people that are here in this room, it's coming into faith.
00:14:25.000And that's where, of course, I started off 10, 12 years ago trying to warn about these things.
00:14:30.000And so where you see it coming into faith, now Charlie has become very involved in things.
00:14:35.000He has an organization called Turning Point Faith now that has become much more active and so forth that's really being able to kind of create that opportunity for a number of different folks that are of different denominational backgrounds, different, if you will, confessional backgrounds and so forth.
00:14:52.000You know, there's no one particular doctrinal standard in terms of what you believe about soteriology or pneumatology or anything else.
00:14:58.000But what they're seeing is here's a threat that's coming for all of us.
00:15:02.000But it's not just coming externally, it's coming internally as well.
00:15:06.000And so just recently, he interviewed a very good friend of mine that you know that I do a lot of things with, Tom Askell.
00:15:14.000And it's important that we elect Tom Askell as the president of the Southern Baptist Convention to try to reverse some of the curse, as we would call it, a vampire-like parasitic thing that's actually happening.
00:15:33.000Maybe because you've been dealing in the political world for so long, and now all of a sudden you've dipped your toe more so than your toe.
00:15:38.000You've actually put two legs in into the pool of the faith.
00:15:43.000And so, tell us how that's really how you've seen that now in the last year or so.
00:15:48.000Yeah, I just want to make one comment on the kind of virus analogy.
00:15:51.000I've said for a while, and the media hates when I say this, so I make sure I say it's clearly and slowly that the lab leak that has come from our college campuses has done and will do a lot more damage than the lab leak from Wuhan, China, which is the ideologies from our college campuses will do far more damage than COVID-19.
00:16:11.000I'm not saying COVID-19 is not a threat, but we're destroying ourselves voluntarily because of wokeism, CRT, postmodernism, you know, deconstructionism.
00:16:59.000My goodness, we have our work cut out for us.
00:17:01.000But I was always told at a young age, growing up in a Bible-believing church, that kind of politics, philosophy, and culture are totally separate than the church.
00:17:12.000You wall it off, the church is for helping people, spreading the gospel.
00:17:16.000You know, it's kind of like rock concert with a TED talk, lots of skinny jeans, give the money, park the cars, like don't ask any questions, right?
00:17:25.000And how naive we were when we thought that was actually what was supposed to happen, which is not theologically or biblically correct at all, while the bad guys were actually infiltrating our cemeteries, I mean, our seminaries, with this pathogen of wokeism.
00:17:40.000And the entry that they saw, the way that they were able to kind of get this ideology, this pathogen to attach successfully, is that bad theology leads to bad politics.
00:17:53.000And so they saw a great opportunity in the already beginning stages of deconstructionist theology.
00:17:58.000Maybe the Bible's not what it says it is, or that weirdo Andy Stanley in Atlanta who says, you know, Christianity is not about the Old Testament.
00:18:08.000It's about Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
00:18:11.000It's like, okay, then why did Jesus quote Deuteronomy?
00:19:00.000And this was right before COVID, locked down the entire country.
00:19:03.000I spoke at over 100 churches in about a year and a half in every corner of the country, from Bangor, Maine to Albuquerque to the great Jack Hibbs Church, you name it.
00:19:15.000And I learned that the American church was under attack from within, largely from youth pastors that were attaching themselves into the congregation and bringing this bad ideology.
00:20:07.000But let me kind of go a step deeper and then we can kind of keep going, which is, I was amazed at how weak the church was when it came to things that mattered.
00:20:18.000I was under the assumption that when the church was going to get locked down, that they were going to fight back.
00:20:24.000And these are the same people that were giving these sermons, like, got to have your Daniel moments.
00:20:29.000Like, you, and like, next thing you're like, yeah, the government tells us to shut down.
00:20:32.000We have to shut down for two years and wear a mask when we shower and like take nine booster shots or like whatever, right?
00:20:37.000The government tells us because Romans 13, like, really?
00:21:11.000And so I'll just end with one more philosophical point on this where I think the church missed a great opportunity, which is everything that James is talking and Sovereign Nations talks about is of comes down to some very simple questions, right?
00:21:24.000Which is, do you think human beings are naturally good and predisposed towards good or naturally predisposed towards evil?
00:21:31.000Now, you could be a mixture of both, obviously, but we as Christians, it's not even, you cannot come to a different conclusion than original sin.
00:21:40.000You're reading something different if it's not original sin.
00:21:42.000That's really important because they, the Marxists, the Rousseauians, believe that we're naturally good in the state of nature and that it's the environment and it's the country and it's private property that then corrupts us.
00:21:57.000But if you believe that people are naturally not so good, you should be thankful and amazed we've been able to do anything decent at all.
00:22:05.000And it's a totally different approach.
00:22:07.000And the church has the easiest answer to this, and they should be the loudest on this.
00:22:11.000And on the most important question, what is human nature?
00:22:47.000Let's fight for liberty to set the captives free.
00:22:50.000Let me just hop on real quick here and point out that my friend Charlie is a busy man.
00:22:57.000And so when he just said what he just said, the really deeper point before that part that was really hilarious, he didn't hear what we said all day today.
00:23:24.000And so when you think about what happened three years ago when I got up on top of that New York City rooftop, how many of you have seen that video with me and James Lindsay and Peter Bogoshin?
00:23:34.000So three years ago when we did that, and basically I knew I was taking a huge gamble, but I had to do it because this is really the issue.
00:23:41.000So you have these two guys that come from the new atheist movement previously that had the exact same thing that deconstructed that movement happening within the Southern Baptist Convention.
00:23:52.000We're talking about critical race theory and intersectionality.
00:23:55.000And so they had the exact same experiences.
00:23:57.000It's almost as if you get this social justice for dummies box.
00:24:01.000And it's every single organization, you know, every single corporation, every single educational model, everybody gets it.
00:24:07.000Ravelry, the knitting group worldwide, is doing the same thing.
00:24:12.000And so when you realize that, it's happening at the same time, using the same techniques and strategies, and really trying to completely deconstruct everything.
00:24:26.000And so if we are, there has to be a response from people that are saying, we understand what the fight is right now.
00:24:32.000Now, that doesn't mean, and I mean this in the Francis Schaefer sense, this doesn't mean that you need to give up your confessions or give up the things that you believe in.
00:25:37.000You talk about the dumbest thing I've ever done in my life.
00:25:39.000Anyway, but then the Lord brought James Lindsay into my life, so that's good.
00:25:43.000But so I think the thing that you realize is those of us that believe in the Lord, I believe that there's a lot of providence at work.
00:25:52.000And the thing is, is that, as I said to some of these folks that are with Charlie in the back room over here, is that the sands in the hourglass are few right now.
00:26:01.000And we have to think about how we need to fight these things.
00:26:04.000So in essence, a lot of people want, and I believe that this is, I want to bring this up first before we jump into ESG.
00:26:11.000What I see, and you just tell me what you think about this, is that one of the greatest threats that we face right now is a lot like what's facing the Republican Party.
00:26:18.000It's basically the same model is where you have the old Hegelians, the young Hegelians, young Hegelians being the radical Democrats, old Hegelians being the Rhino-Republicans.
00:26:28.000But what you have now, in the last year and a half, is you have a lot of guys that are now talking about critical race theory and intersectionality, and it's very bad, but are unwilling to look at the guys that brought this in that are now trying to make sure that they slide past everything using the Mott and Bailey to be able to stay in leadership and continue on like a Mitch McConnell, like an Adam Kinzinger.
00:26:52.000You know, you can name whatever names Salahs are in Miami.
00:26:56.000It's the same thing basically happening right now in the evangelical leadership world as well as the leaders of seminaries that brought this ideological cancer into the body of Christ and allowed it to be infected like this, are now trying to let it go and trying to say, oh, well, we're all brothers now.
00:28:20.000We are now transitioning from mandatory celebration to mandatory participation, where that if you're a baseball player and you don't want to wear the patch on the sleeve in the Tampa Bay Rays, you're not allowed to play in the baseball game.
00:28:49.000Not a liberal, as you might think, but like a neoliberal libertarian that we can all kind of live and let live, and I won't interfere with your life, and you won't interfere with mine.
00:29:23.000They realize the power of the state, the power of force, while most Republicans and conservatives live in this kind of fake kind of, let's just say, paradigm that might have existed 40 or 50 years ago, but I even doubt that.
00:29:36.000But let's just pretend that it used to exist.
00:29:40.000That's the question I always ask our leaders.
00:29:42.000And if they think it's time to like marginally cut corporate taxes or maybe like, I don't know, restructure the import, export-import bank, I'm like, you're a waste of time, okay?
00:29:53.000Instead, I want to hear from our leaders very clearly that the country is slipping out of our grasp because of our own making, that there is a multi-dimensional game being played against us of the elites crushing normal working people, and that we need to invigorate regular people to be aware and active against what is being done to them.
00:30:16.000And it has to be a conservative movement or whatever you want to call it, right?
00:30:19.000That is willing to make sure that these dividing lines are clear and that they will be held accountable for it.
00:30:25.000So I'm a little bit, I'm optimistic in one sense, and I'd love James's opinion because you mentioned the political side of it, which is we're in what I believe is the final phase.
00:30:49.000I used to choose my words differently because someone might call me the R-word.
00:30:53.000Before that, and it kind of happened Obama, right?
00:30:56.000Where all of a sudden people started to wake up, Dinesh D'Souza, all these people were trying to warn us that there was a Marxist infiltration of America.
00:31:02.000As soon as we started to recognize their multi-generational game, they started to weaponize name-calling and it worked.
00:31:09.000They got a decade of plundering because we were in a mass paralysis over decency that never actually existed.
00:31:17.000So now we're entering the final phase where thanks to Donald Trump and thanks to a new generation of leaders and many other people, that Tucker Carlson especially deserves a lot of credit for this.
00:32:02.000So we must endure this final phase, expose them using pure force, and you better believe we must be willing to use it twice as hard back at them.
00:32:11.000And that's a hard thing for conservatives to tolerate, which is like, actually, no, you're not going to do drag queen story hour or bars for kids.
00:32:17.000We're going to put you in prison publicly and purp walk you if you do drag queen stuff for children.
00:32:21.000Like we should be unafraid to say that.
00:32:23.000Like we're not going to put up with it.
00:32:26.000And so, but here we are right around the corner from victory, everybody, because you're here on a Friday where you could be doing anything else and you want to learn about Marxism postmoderns.
00:33:01.000We're going to have these people on defense.
00:33:03.000And I believe we'll finally be able to push a button to politically put them into an extinction level event, the likes of which we never would have dreamed of a couple years ago.
00:33:17.000And by the way, there's more proof of my claim.
00:33:20.000Charlie wasn't listening in secretly to repeat things that we had said because if he was, he would know that you're all here for the air conditioning because it's hot outside.
00:33:59.000I saw this article push on Twitter or something this morning when I got up, and it says that something, blah, blah, blah.
00:34:05.000You mentioned the transgender stuff, that we have to do this, blah, blah, blah, because experts say.
00:34:10.000They can't just say we have to do this because it's the right thing to do anymore.
00:34:13.000They have to appeal to the experts that nobody believes.
00:34:15.000They're realizing that they can't just morally browbeat us into this because the moral argument tipped the other way.
00:34:22.000And for whatever reason, this wonderful Pride Month, they decided that pedal to the metal, probably decided this six months ago when they also came up with Ultra MAGA, that putting that pedal to the metal would be a great idea this month, and it's backfiring on them spectacularly.
00:35:09.000I also share Charlie's optimism for the reasons that we've kind of been floating around all through the morning, which wasn't exactly the question.
00:35:16.000The optimism is that where Mike was talking about the Reformation this morning and how that brought in a new era of knowledge and light.
00:35:25.000I actually don't believe that we entered into a marketplace of ideas.
00:35:28.000I believe that we think that we did or we were lied to and told that we were.
00:35:32.000We actually entered into a feudal estate aristocracy of ideas where we have to listen to the experts who are trying to convince us that there's sudden adult death syndrome now, and they're trying to convince us that the experts say that trans is necessary to take the kids to the drag queen shows.
00:35:47.000The experts are frauds and they know they're getting exposed as frauds and we are entering into the information economy that's a marketplace of ideas where it's going to show up their fraud over and over again.
00:35:59.000And in fact, I think they're hastening the way they are now because they know that their grip is about to slip.
00:36:05.000And if they don't get total control now, within maybe the next few years, they're going to lose everything.
00:36:11.000Because you're going to be able to do your own research.
00:36:13.000I mean, we all know about the public health crisis we're not allowed to mention on youtube.com, and we all know that the internet figured out most of the story within about two weeks.
00:36:22.000Here we are two years later, and they're still trying to tell us about sudden adult death syndrome.
00:36:28.000We all see through it now, and that's rapidly gaining in momentum.
00:36:46.000So, but to answer the question, what do we do?
00:36:49.000I get asked something all the time: James, do you think that these people really know what they're doing that are implementing this stuff, that are bringing it into the door?
00:36:57.000Do you think they just maybe made a mistake?
00:36:59.000Do you think that they're incompetent or do you think that they're evil?
00:37:28.000You have to be able to comprehend this.
00:37:30.000These were not honest mistakes after a point.
00:37:34.000They became negligent mistakes after a point, if they were mistakes at all.
00:37:39.000And then many of the people that were implementing these things knew exactly what they were doing, which means they were engaging in sedition and treason.
00:37:47.000Those people have to be held to account.
00:37:50.000The people who have allowed this to happen have to be held to account.
00:37:53.000Courts can adjudicate whether it was intentional or unintentional via the processes that we use to make those judgments, and judges can make those adjudications and give the sentences that are fitting.
00:38:06.000But this accountability is 100% and absolutely necessary.
00:38:10.000The people who were bringing this in, whether through negligence, which maybe it started as honest mistakes, but it became negligence and it became greed.
00:38:19.000It became somebody gave them a check for their ministry or gave them a check for a grant for their project.
00:38:24.000And then they were like, wow, we hired all these people.
00:38:48.000The ship has listed because these people have pulled it so hard to the left, and we have to throw them off and bring the ship back upright.
00:39:43.000Remember, we were talking about earlier, and this is why I said through the day, hey, we're going to hold off talking anymore about this.
00:39:50.000But here's, let's go ahead and pull up the hood over what's happening with this entire move into the fourth industrial revolution, which is really more spiraling into the dialectic.
00:40:02.000And when you take a look at what's really powering all of the changes that we just discussed in economics and education in corporate areas as well as within faith, at the center of this, and this is what I kind of blew up this week on Twitter in regards to GuidePost, the organization coming out with the SATF on the Southern Baptist Convention, was that they are ESG driven.
00:40:23.000The organization that they brought in to do their entire report in the Southern Baptist Convention is driven by DEI and ESG.
00:40:32.000But ESG is the thing that's actually behind everything that we see moving right now, environmental, social, and governance.
00:40:40.000So when you talk about ESG, you're talking about the religion of environmentalism.
00:40:45.000You're talking about an environment, socialist, fascist move that's happening right now that is a hybrid synthesis of the worst of all ideas, a gain of function of the worst ideas of mankind.
00:40:58.000So when you look at ESG and you see how that's driving everything, and I know you've spent a lot of time trying to convince folks like Dr. Jordan Peterson a long time ago about how this was happening and so forth.
00:41:12.000How is ESG driving nearly everything in this entire move?
00:41:19.000And why is it something that we need to focus on?
00:41:21.000I know it sounds obscure to some of you folks, but why is that so important?
00:41:25.000So let me just say a couple things on this.
00:41:27.000The corporate topic is something I'm really passionate about, which is kind of involving in all of this.
00:41:32.000The only thing I hate more than wokeness is weakness.
00:41:37.000The wokeys are always going to be around there.
00:41:39.000They're only powerful because of weak people.
00:41:41.000Okay, they're only powerful because people in power that didn't have courage allowed them to take root.
00:41:47.000And if there was one community of people that I think is most responsible for where we are, it would be people that knew better and did nothing.
00:42:03.000Is that they all went to the best schools and they get held hostage the same way James just articulated it by their $26 million year salary, by their kid wanting to go to the same school they went to, and they are held hostage by the wokey insurrectionists that come from the HR boardrooms and say, okay, here's what you're going to do, Coca-Cola.
00:42:22.000You're going to have a whiteness is evil PowerPoint presentation.
00:42:26.000You're going to have Robin DiAngelo come in.
00:42:27.000But it's even worse than that, though, because ESG is actually structural.
00:42:53.000We are a country that has an economy in it.
00:42:55.000We are not an economy that has a country in it.
00:42:58.000This is what makes us conservatives, not libertarians.
00:43:01.000So when I see a company that has $10 trillion in assets run by Larry Fink, and they're going and buying single-family homes, and they're going to start raiding who can rent the homes from them based on their social score as a citizen, I'm like, that's not, I don't, you could call that capitalism, that's disgusting, it's wrong, we shouldn't put up with it.
00:43:22.000And so some people in the Republican Party say, Charlie, you know, that's not very puritanically market-driven.
00:43:30.000Because I don't like tyranny and you don't either.
00:43:32.000And I don't like the tyranny of government.
00:43:33.000And I certainly don't like the tyranny of BlackRock.
00:43:36.000And so what you have is these massive funds that, by the way, are heavily subsidized by cheap money policies, bailouts, $6 trillion bills that never should have been passed by the federal government.
00:45:47.000Turns out that Charlie left out a very important piece of why it should really irritate you.
00:45:50.000Because Larry Fink isn't screwing around with markets and gaining control over them with his ESG scores, which, by the way, if it was really like people haggling out what does sound environmental policy look like?
00:46:01.000What does sound social responsibility for corporations look like?
00:46:04.000What does sound corporate governance look like?
00:46:06.000And they're haggling it out and there are different answers to this question and they were debating it and so on.
00:46:11.000ESG, whether or not it serves the interests of long-term profitability, which is the justification they give, that's an open question that would be worth answering.
00:46:19.000Larry Fink gets to decide what's environmentally sound.
00:46:22.000Larry Fink gets to decide, or whoever's working with Larry Fink in some kind of a, I don't know, what was the Russian word for council again?
00:47:03.000The ExxonMobil thing was the most interesting one where he said, why is it ExxonMobil has a good environmental score and Tesla doesn't?
00:47:11.000And like, look, we love fossil fuels, but if he's right, I mean, obviously, it's because ExxonMobil bends the knee.
00:47:17.000ExxonMobil will worship Molech and Tesla will not.
00:47:21.000Yeah, so the question then, the thing that Charlie didn't touch on is, where in the heck did Larry Fink get all this power?
00:47:26.000Well, Larry Fink runs an index fund management, which is passive investment, which means your retirement, your pension funds.
00:47:34.000He's taking trillions of dollars of everyday people's retirements and leveraging that against the entire market so that it falls under his control and his definitions.
00:47:44.000So the way that it works is that if you don't meet the definitions of BlackRock, Vanguard, whoever all is in the cabal, what is it, the Council of the Soviet, of controlling that, deciding what these words mean, the World Economic Forum's right in there hand in glove.
00:47:58.000If you don't meet the council's, the Soviet definitions of environmental social governance, they're going to leverage your retirements against companies that don't play ball.
00:48:17.000It just has to stop alienating customers and selling loads and loads of Coke because Coke is great and totally American thing.
00:48:22.000Well, that's okay because BlackRock and Vanguard and these companies that are in the Cabal or the Council of the Soviet own something like 30% of Coca-Cola.
00:48:29.000So they're like, Coca-Cola, play ball or we'll sell all the shares and your stock price is going right in the toilet.
00:48:34.000And if you spiral down and crash into the mountains, so be it.
00:48:36.000Good luck because we're not giving you anything to help you.
00:48:39.000This is what's called extortion or racketeering.
00:48:52.000This is a cartel running a racketeering scam based off of cooked books, environmental social governance policies that can change like that.
00:49:01.000You know, we have this all of a sudden conflict spring up in the breadbasket of Eastern Europe, as we'll refer to it, has a blue and a yellow flag.
00:49:11.000It's the symbol on social media that somebody's going to say something really dumb if it's on their social media profile.
00:49:16.000That's how they tell you they're going to say something completely wrong.
00:49:20.000Is that they have that on their handle on the Twitter.
00:49:23.000Okay, so anyway, that place has a conflict arise in it.
00:49:26.000And so immediately, the social score, the S score in ESG for weapons manufacturing for that in particular goes up.
00:49:36.000So all of a sudden, you know, like... Northrop Grumman.
00:49:40.000Yeah, Northup Grumming and Halliburton, Raytheon, all these huge weapons manufacturers are ESG compliant because they build a more socially good world because it serves the social goals of the people who have a particular invested outcome in the conflict that arose in said breadbasket.
00:50:15.000Remember how we have to drink out of stupid paper straws that suck and ruin your drink because the plastic straws go and anger a turtle or something in the ocean?
00:50:22.000Which turns out that the science showed that they don't actually do that, but it doesn't matter.
00:50:26.000We still have to have paper straws in plastic wrappers because they're ESG compliant.
00:50:32.000All of the mask requirements that led to 160 billion masks floating in the oceans that actually do strangle sea life raised your environmental score because they dealt with a public health environmental crisis.
00:50:46.000It's totally arbitrary power masquerading as doing the right thing, according to the Council for Public Safety that's headquartered in Davos.
00:50:59.000And what they do then is they go through the fund managers, right?
00:51:03.000So they'll go to BlackRock, Blackstone.
00:51:05.000They'll go to the big ones and they'll get them to sign an ESG pledge.
00:51:09.000So they'll get the HR wokies to pressure them.
00:51:12.000Okay, sure, I'll only trade with ESG-approved companies.
00:51:15.000So then what they've done is they've created ESG ETFs, and then they'll only be allowed to trade within the companies on the ETF.
00:51:23.000So the significance of Tesla not being on ETF, they'll be fine because you guys will still buy Tesla stock because it's actually a great company and he's done an amazing job.
00:51:31.000But for a company that's a little bit on the edge, like 3M or whatever, if they don't get a good ESG score, then that could be the end of their company.
00:51:40.000Because the big funds, not the retail people that buy $50 of stock, the people that could park $50 billion, Fidelity, Schwab, Goldman Sachs, they've all signed these ESG pledges.
00:51:52.000And by their own pledge, they're not allowed to then go trade if it doesn't have a certain ESG score.
00:51:58.000So that's a way how they've been able to hold all of corporate America hostage.
00:52:01.000It's a massive hostage-taking scenario.
00:52:04.000And the CEOs that have done this, you can just see their excuses.
00:52:27.000It's the love of money, not money itself, that is the root of all evil.
00:52:30.000And these corporate hacks, man, I'll tell you what, a reckoning has to come against them because they knew better.
00:52:37.000They were tasked to actually be guardians of our country.
00:52:41.000And one final thing I'll say with this is that if you go to any sort of history class, by the way, we just launched Turning Point Academy here in the Valley, which is very exciting.
00:52:50.000We're partnering with Dream City Christian Enrollments Open.
00:52:54.000So if you're sick of your kids' school, come to our school.
00:52:56.000They'll learn real history and real civics, vetted curriculum, and train teachers.
00:53:20.000Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Chase, they loved America so much that they bailed out the U.S. government when it was necessary.
00:53:28.000They never would have signed an intercontinental agreement around some arbitrary ideology.
00:53:33.000They're like, no, no, no, we're rich and we love the country that got us rich.
00:53:37.000Something happened, and I think you know why from this, where all of a sudden the rich people end up hating the country that made them rich.
00:53:43.000Now, let's talk about the S in ESG and really how this applies to average everyday Americans.
00:53:48.000Now, you may be thinking that, well, you know, I'm not heavily invested in the market.
00:53:58.000It's a question as well, financial institutions.
00:54:00.000But then, in regards to you personally and what actually is articulated through DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion, does that, and I already know the answer to this, but please, if you can, how does that end up actually become our credit score?
00:54:16.000And then those that are doing business with us or employing us have to start to consider what our scores are as opposed to just the corporations.
00:54:26.000Well, I want to start by telling you you're mispronouncing the S.
00:54:39.000So I get asked a lot why it's impossible to get, say, a university, often to get a company, to get anybody to try to dismantle some of the DEI apparatus.
00:54:49.000You can't find a single university that every university president knows.
00:54:56.000They know that they're going to have the biggest boom in enrollment that they've ever seen, ever, if they just kick out the woke stuff.
00:55:04.000They all know this, but not a single one of them will do it.
00:55:07.000And that means there's something much bigger holding them hostage.
00:55:11.000And what it largely is, the DEI department is serving the S score for their ESG, which is running their entire organization's pension funds.
00:56:41.000It's going to impact your own ability to get financing.
00:56:45.000They are trying to create a reward and incentive and inversely a punishment system if you participate in wrongthink.
00:56:53.000If you participate in the wrong thoughts or you vote for the wrong person, they do want to be able to have a financial pressure against you.
00:56:59.000So I do want to mention one thing that we have to do in the last five minutes.
00:57:03.000I just kind of as a solutionist, you're like, wow, this is so overwhelming.
00:57:06.000It is, but I do believe that this is the importance of philosophy and ideas, which I know can make people, you know, kind of bored at times.
00:57:15.000But you're all very invigorated by all this, which is the more we're able to get our message out, all we have to do is flip a couple of these people.
00:57:23.000That's all we have to do, is that we don't have to win them all.
00:57:26.000We just need a couple more defectors like Elon.
00:57:28.000Look, they're going to throw everything they can at Elon.
00:58:33.000And so there is this realignment, and you're living through the realignment.
00:58:37.000You can call it the fourth turning or whatever you want to call it, which is a great book that was written a long time ago that I think articulates what we're living through.
00:58:48.000And I think for just even a somewhat rational person, Bill Maher, Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, is that you're going to see, in my opinion, the great defection.
00:58:56.000And it's because we have to just do it every day.
00:58:59.000We got to what you call it, do the work, right?
00:59:14.000You got to keep on consuming the information.
00:59:16.000Because Elon's transformation from a non-political neutral observer could largely be attributed not to CNN, not to Fox News, not to Tucker, but a satire side of the name Babylon B. That's right.
00:59:27.000That a random satire site that he started to see, like, this is hilarious.
00:59:34.000The best satire is when you can't find, you can't determine if it's true when you first read it.
00:59:39.000And they red-pilled the world's richest man.
00:59:41.000And so that's part of the hope that we have is that we just have to flip a couple of pieces on the chessboard.
00:59:47.000We do that, this whole thing gets realigned almost overnight.
00:59:50.000I'll give you some backup too, because what he's talking about, you know, we get the schools, we get some schools, you get the things start going.
00:59:57.000Here's the way that this S actually works.
00:59:59.000I want to give you, and I'm going to say a word that you're not supposed to say from the stage except in a very negative light here in a second, so brace yourselves.
01:00:06.000But as it turns out, you can imagine how this ESG score goes from corporate management universe to you management universe very easily.
01:00:13.000So let's say that there's some bank, I don't know, like MasterCard, for example, or whatever, and you have a credit card with them and you have lending with them or you have credit with them, et cetera.
01:00:21.000And right now, you think, well, it's money.
01:00:24.000Who cares what my beliefs are or whatever?
01:00:26.000But eventually, what can happen is MasterCard's ESG score goes down by serving you if you have the wrong politics.
01:00:32.000So all of a sudden, MasterCard starts enforcing whether or not you can be a client of MasterCard if they'll process your payments.
01:00:38.000And Visa could jump on, American Express could jump on, and Discover could jump on.
01:00:42.000And all of a sudden, you are stuck because nobody will process your payments.
01:00:46.000You can't buy things if they won't process the payment for you.
01:00:50.000And so they can bring this ESG score to you.
01:00:52.000Well, how do we know if MasterCard should keep you or not?
01:00:55.000Well, we'll give you a personal ESG score.
01:00:57.000And if your ESG score, aka social credit score is good, then MasterCard will process your payments.
01:01:01.000And if it's not, then it'll pause them or freeze them or it won't.
01:01:04.000And so then it can bring a social credit score to you, which brings a complete control mechanism.
01:01:09.000Now, you've been warned, and here comes the word: everybody brace yourself, gird your loins, as it were.
01:01:13.000That's a pun you don't know that's coming yet.
01:01:15.000The porn stars told you this was coming, and you didn't listen because you were not a porn star, so you did not speak out.
01:01:21.000They stopped processing porn stars' payments a number of years ago, MasterCard specifically did, because they didn't like what they were doing with their professional career.
01:01:29.000Now, think what you want of pornography.
01:01:31.000They de-platformed Alex Jones, for example, oh, and President Trump.
01:01:40.000I'm saying that there's a principle here that nobody stood up for that a corporation could say, We don't like the way you behave, so we're going to deplatform your ability to get your cake.
01:01:51.000I fully support not transacting porn stars, suppose.
01:01:54.000I'm just saying that whatever you think of that particular issue, whatever you think of that particular issue, it sets the stage and the justification for them to limit anybody for something on down the line, especially when you're in a movement that's based on, like we've already discussed, blurring out discernment.
01:02:12.000You don't know, they get to decide what's good and bad.
01:02:15.000So you may agree, let's block out porn star transactions, maybe for porn specifically, maybe in general.
01:02:25.000If you put absolutely no limiting principles in there, it's you voted for the orange man, so therefore we're going to block out your transition.
01:02:35.000Whether you agree or not, the point is not about that.
01:02:37.000The point is a social credit system that controls your ability to buy and sell, which maybe you should read your book of Revelation, is, I mean, I read it.
01:03:03.000I know we're at the time, but I want to go deep because this was in the Marxist literature 65 years ago when Herbert Marcuse was writing the essay on liberation.
01:03:39.000The goal is to create a biological foundation for socialism, to change man, just like I just told you is the theology of Marxism, to accept socialism, to become social man who lives in social society.
01:04:07.000So if you were to introject other morals, force people to participate in other moral codes, say through an ESG social credit score, that if you behave wrong, then you're punished.
01:04:19.000Through an algorithm that conditions what you're allowed to see, through deplatforming algorithms that take you away from your ability to communicate if you don't act the way, they can put a new moral system, a new morality, he says, a new rationality, he says, a new sensibility, he says, and introject it into the person until it changes him at a biological level to be made not just suitable for socialism, but to where he can't live without it.
01:04:48.000That's what the social credit system at the end of the ESG rainbow is meant to accomplish.
01:04:54.000To condition you to the point where you can't function, so you buy into the system until you live the morals, the equity program in the E and the DEI in the S score, until they become so natural to you that they're spontaneous and you don't know any other way to live.
01:05:12.000It's exactly the Marxist theology incarnate.
01:05:37.000That's the objective, to remake you or to make you absolutely unable to participate in society and thus irrelevant until you expire on some minimal program that they allow you to have for justice until a new morality is established so that people can't live without it.
01:05:54.000Klaus Schwab says explicitly when he's talking about ESG and Secret Narrative, he says explicitly that the government and the corporations will partner in a public-private partnership to enforce it from the top down.
01:06:07.000And meanwhile, the young people will be raised to need it and they will demand it from the bottom up.
01:06:14.000Did we not talk about top-down, bottom-up, inside-out this morning?
01:07:46.000Go find a credit union where you can look at them in the eyes and keep your money there.
01:07:49.000They will take your money and freeze your accounts soon, if that happens.
01:07:53.000If you run a business, you're especially at risk.
01:07:56.000They could make it, or you can't do payroll, freeze all your money because you made a contribution to Blake Masters for Senate or because you supported Donald Trump or whatever.
01:08:05.000And so you have to embrace self-government in every form or fashion.
01:08:09.000That goes from the education of your children to the ideas that you consume to where you go to church to all these things are so incredibly important.
01:08:16.000And our founding fathers wrote extensively about that.
01:08:20.000And then I just want to reinforce a couple things, which is don't underestimate the power of philosophy and ideas.
01:08:36.000I'm on the radio three hours a day here in the Valley, 9 to 10 on AM 960, and then in the evening from 6 to 8 on AM 960.
01:08:43.000And we're always trying to teach you something because I've been taught so much by two, you know, amazing, these two amazing people on stage and people like them.
01:08:50.000I think informed grassroots citizens is the greatest weapon against the left.
01:08:56.000If you guys want to subscribe, it helps us out a lot.
01:08:58.000But beyond that, find things where you're learning and you're constantly being challenged.
01:09:02.000And you might disagree with what's being told, but at least you have a good argument and response.
01:09:06.000That will make you a sharper citizen against the regime.
01:09:11.000You could be a serf, you could be a slave, you could be a subject, or you could decide to be a citizen.
01:09:15.000And the final thing is that I'll say with this, a lot of you came here probably and you're like, Charlie, I've done everything that's been asked of me.