The Charlie Kirk Show - The Transgender-Palestine Extremism Axis

00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.

00:00:11.000 My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.

00:00:14.000 If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.

00:00:19.000 But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful.

00:00:24.000 College is a scam, everybody.

00:00:26.000 You got to stop sending your kids to college.

00:00:27.000 You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.

00:00:31.000 Go start a Turning Point USA College chapter.

00:00:33.000 Go start a Turning Point USA High School chapter.

00:00:35.000 Go find out how your church can get involved.

00:00:37.000 Sign up and become an activist.

00:00:39.000 I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.

00:00:41.000 Most important decision I ever made in my life.

00:00:43.000 And I encourage you to do the same.

00:00:45.000 Here I am.

00:00:46.000 Lord, use me.

00:00:48.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:49.000 Here we go.

00:00:56.000 Noble Gold Investments is the official gold sponsor of The Charlie Kirk Show, a company that specializes in gold IRAs and physical delivery of precious metals.

00:01:06.000 Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at NobleGoldInvestments.com.

00:01:13.000 That is NobleGoldInvestments.com.

00:01:17.000 All right.

00:01:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 It's Wednesday, May 13th.

00:01:21.000 Lots of news going on.

00:01:22.000 We're here at the YRefi Studio in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:01:25.000 How are we doing, Blake?

00:01:26.000 We're doing lovely.

00:01:27.000 Well, lovely, except we got some news this morning that's not good.

00:01:30.000 Well, Chloe Cole event, we're going to get into that in just a second.

00:01:30.000 Yeah.

00:01:34.000 Just to paint the broader landscape of news this morning, there was an explosive.

00:01:38.000 Hearing involving a CIA whistleblower, a label the CIA itself is contesting, which I think is an interesting dynamic there about the reporting from the CIA and Fauci, Dr. Fauci's alleged involvement in shaping that reporting, whether it was a lab leak or whether it came out of the wet market and all of that whole story.

00:02:02.000 Rand Paul is on the case as well as Senator Hawley, Senator Ron Johnson.

00:02:06.000 So, some good guys on that.

00:02:08.000 So, hopefully, we'll get some time to.

00:02:09.000 To dive into that story.

00:02:11.000 Also, President Trump has arrived in China for a much anticipated meeting with President Chen.

00:02:19.000 With basically every CEO in America.

00:02:22.000 I think he's traveling, what was 16 CEOs?

00:02:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:02:24.000 Something like the big ones.

00:02:25.000 Yeah, Tim Cook, Elon Musk.

00:02:27.000 Yeah, we've got a representation, the company's representatives is massive and worth trillions and trillions of dollars of market cap.

00:02:36.000 So, a lot going on there.

00:02:37.000 So, we're watching talks on AI, on tariffs, on fentanyl, on Iran.

00:02:42.000 Lots going on.

00:02:44.000 China's definitely motivated to get their sluggish economy going.

00:02:48.000 The energy squeeze on them has been bad, and they obviously want access to chips and AI, things like that.

00:02:55.000 So, that's where we're watching right now.

00:02:57.000 This is one of three planned meetings, I believe.

00:02:59.000 So, don't necessarily expect sweeping accords to come out of this meeting in China.

00:03:05.000 It's more likely to be the first volley in a series of meetings coming up.

00:03:09.000 So, we're watching that.

00:03:11.000 We want to tell you about something that happened last night at the University of Washington.

00:03:16.000 We have been doing a series at Turning Point USA of what we call pick up the mic events.

00:03:21.000 These are prove me wrong style events that Charlie pioneered.

00:03:25.000 And, you know, instead of doing, let's say, 20 or 30 large ones as Charlie did, we're doing dozens and dozens and dozens all over the country with different speakers like Chloe Cole, who, of course, has been on the show a number of times. 0.99

00:03:39.000 Chloe is a detransitioner.

00:03:41.000 She's an activist in that space.

00:03:42.000 Her whole life was turned upside down by bad advice from doctors.

00:03:48.000 Coercion from medical professionals and psychologists, and she speaks out on them.

00:03:53.000 So, this was a pick up the mic event in University of Washington in Seattle, and it turned into a big to do, as you might expect in the Pacific Northwest.

00:04:03.000 We saw protests against Turning Point USA flyers scattered throughout campus.

00:04:09.000 Well, and we want to highlight a very interesting thing about this.

00:04:12.000 It's very symbolic of the modern left.

00:04:14.000 So, we have it thrown up here, but if you can't see it, it says May 13th protest against Turning Point USA, and it's two crossed flags.

00:04:22.000 And the crossed flags are a Palestine flag.

00:04:25.000 And then a transgender flag.

00:04:27.000 Two issues that, if anything, are in conflict with each other, given some of Islam's cultural values. 0.91

00:04:35.000 But they're actually totally united because, as we like to point out, all left wing causes actually come together for the great universal left wing cause of destroying civilization. 0.91

00:04:45.000 Yes. 0.89

00:04:46.000 And specifically, hating conservatives, hating white people, hating capitalism in the West. 0.99

00:04:51.000 So, those are their big boogeymen. 0.98

00:04:53.000 So, of course, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, at least until they get what they want.

00:04:59.000 Suppose if they got what they want ever, then they would eventually attack each other.

00:05:03.000 But then it says on here, it continues.

00:05:05.000 So they wanted, first they were going to disrupt, bring flags, drums, or anything to make noise, make the event impossible.

00:05:11.000 They say, why protest Turning Point USA?

00:05:13.000 This is what their flyer says Charlie Kirk was a right wing Nazi Trump supporter and public speaker who visited college campuses to spout hate speech, which is not real, and create viral clips.

00:05:25.000 His organization, TPUSA, shares his fascist views against minorities.

00:05:31.000 And they say, and they basically demand to disrupt and shut down this Chloe Cole event. 0.88

00:05:38.000 They call her a transphobic grifter, which is one way to describe a person whose life was nearly destroyed by this insane cult. 0.87

00:05:45.000 By the trans mania. 0.90

00:05:47.000 Chloe, I just want to make one note here.

00:05:50.000 Chloe was adamant about the event continuing on.

00:05:53.000 The chapter was adamant about the event continuing on.

00:05:56.000 We wanted the event to continue on.

00:05:58.000 Some of the people that we needed to be supportive of that event continuing on ultimately pulled.

00:06:04.000 Output transcript Out at the last minute.

00:06:05.000 They didn't want liability.

00:06:06.000 They didn't want potential violence.

00:06:09.000 Ultimately, it became unfeasible to keep the event continuing on, but the chapter and Chloe have immediately committed to rescheduling.

00:06:17.000 There was a backdrop about this event that was somewhat interesting.

00:06:22.000 So, there was an actual murder outside of campus.

00:06:26.000 It was off campus housing near and around University of Washington's campus up in Seattle.

00:06:30.000 There was a stabbing murder of somebody that identifies as trans. 0.98

00:06:35.000 It looks to be.

00:06:37.000 We don't know the details.

00:06:38.000 The suspect is still at large.

00:06:39.000 It's a black individual, black male with a beard that apparently maybe even tried to break into this housing complex a couple days before.

00:06:49.000 And, anyways, this person was stabbed to death. 0.88

00:06:52.000 And so they were using that as sort of a backdrop to attack the event, which they do a lot.

00:07:00.000 There is an elevated death rate for transgender Americans.

00:07:04.000 And they love to spin it as if this is the result of hate crimes that they're hunted by right wingers.

00:07:10.000 This is not true.

00:07:11.000 They're sadly more likely to die by suicide, by murder, by drug overdose, because this lifestyle is associated with things that lead to an early death.

00:07:21.000 This is one of the reasons this cult is so dangerous and so harmful.

00:07:25.000 Chloe has spoken out.

00:07:27.000 She immediately released this video.

00:07:28.000 We'll play it for you. 0.92

00:07:29.000 Sod 11.

00:07:30.000 I was scheduled to speak tomorrow at an event at the University of Washington hosted by TeepUSA's local trap group.

00:07:37.000 Antifa has assembled a local militia, in their own words, to shut down this event.

00:07:42.000 Their actions, their explicit threats on my life, have raised this event to national attention.

00:07:50.000 A level of attention our security team and the local PD are frankly unprepared for.

00:07:56.000 Before Charlie Kirk's assassination, I think I would have been less careful.

00:08:01.000 But the times have changed, and speaking on a university campus in 2026 can come with deadly consequences.

00:08:08.000 This is not a win for Antifa, because truth will always win.

00:08:12.000 I will be back.

00:08:14.000 Once conversations stop, that is when the violence begins.

00:08:19.000 So, we're proud of Chloe.

00:08:21.000 She's courageous.

00:08:21.000 She's strong.

00:08:23.000 Proud of that chapter.

00:08:24.000 The chapter, by the way, has released a statement, and I think it was solid.

00:08:29.000 As many in the Seattle area have heard, a transgender University of Washington student was tragically murdered on Sunday night.

00:08:34.000 The University of Washington chapter at Turning Point USA condemns this horrific act of violence in the strongest possible terms.

00:08:38.000 Of course, they do, but it does seem disconnected.

00:08:41.000 No one should ever be subjected to such senseless brutality.

00:08:43.000 Our thoughts and condolences are with the victims' family and friends.

00:08:47.000 In light of this tragedy, and by an overwhelming surge of violent threats directed at our chapter, threats that appear deliberately designed to falsely associate Our peaceful event with the murder.

00:08:55.000 We have made the difficult decision to postpone our upcoming event with Chloe Cole.

00:08:59.000 TPUSA at UW is not leaving campus.

00:09:01.000 We remain fully committed to promoting free speech, open dialogue, and intellectual diversity at the University of Washington.

00:09:06.000 We look forward to rescheduling this important conversation at the earliest appropriate time.

00:09:10.000 So, well said from them.

00:09:12.000 And I think that you're seeing something we talked about yesterday on the show with Miranda Devine that there is a rise in left wing violence directed at conservatives, especially Turning Point USA, campus conservatives, and this weird confluence of. 0.76

00:09:28.000 The Antifa, Trans Tifa, and Palestine, pro Palestine aligned groups coming together to really threaten conservatives.

00:09:38.000 It has to stop.

00:09:39.000 And hopefully the administration's getting serious about cracking down on some of these networks that spew such hatred.

00:09:47.000 All right.

00:09:47.000 So President Trump is in China.

00:09:51.000 And it's a, I think, a landmark meeting because of the backdrop that we.

00:09:59.000 Are experiencing this upon, and that is Iran.

00:10:02.000 You've got the Taiwan issue.

00:10:05.000 You've got AI and semiconductors.

00:10:07.000 That's a huge issue.

00:10:08.000 You've got fentanyl, which, again, the Chinese keep saying, oh, we deny knowledge of this, but they are absolutely the country that is sending the precursors for fentanyl, and they could stop it.

00:10:21.000 So that's going to expect that to be a huge point of contention.

00:10:24.000 But President Trump lands in China.

00:10:27.000 He's not greeted by Xi.

00:10:29.000 So that is something.

00:10:31.000 She was not there, but expect dinner and things like that to come.

00:10:34.000 Yeah, there's the, but they did roll out the red carpet.

00:10:37.000 There was, you know, people waving flags, much to do, a lot of pageantry.

00:10:42.000 And so I find this whole backdrop with President Trump very fascinating because President Trump is a president that has defied the customs and norms and traditions of previous presidents.

00:10:52.000 It's not a flaw of the system, it's not a bug.

00:10:55.000 It is the system.

00:10:56.000 Defying the experts is one of the things that President Trump does best.

00:11:00.000 Sometimes, He flies by the seat of the pants, trusts his instincts.

00:11:04.000 And depending on who you are, it's either genius or it's unnerving and unsettling.

00:11:10.000 But even with President Trump, with something this choreographed, this big, he's sort of still bound by the system, by these hundreds of years of precedent, of diplomacy that has existed between countries.

00:11:23.000 And so if he is going to improvise, it's kind of moment by moment.

00:11:29.000 And it's within a larger structure where you have assigned seats, you have.

00:11:33.000 Pageantry, you have people you have to shake hands, you have this red carpet visit.

00:11:37.000 So there's much, much to pay attention to here in this visit.

00:11:41.000 But I want to play this B role as well, comparing and contrasting President Trump's arrival in China with Obama, which this was in September 2016.

00:11:53.000 Obama arrived in Hangzhou, China, for the G20 summit.

00:11:57.000 And you can really see the difference of the President Trump greeting versus the Obama greeting, where there really wasn't much to do.

00:12:05.000 Now, maybe President Xi is just playing the individual personalities of the leaders, right?

00:12:10.000 Obama, You know, didn't need such pageantry, perhaps, is what she was expecting.

00:12:16.000 But also, I think it underscores the larger stakes of the game now, right?

00:12:21.000 Because I think it's safe to say, Blake, that never before in American Chinese sort of diplomatic history have the stakes been so high.

00:12:30.000 Has China been viewed as such a rival and on a somewhat equal footing? 0.61

00:12:35.000 They're not equal, but it's closer to equal with the U.S. Never before has there been such a challenge to our superpower leadership of the world.

00:12:44.000 But it also shows that China really wants to get something out of this as well.

00:12:48.000 Your thoughts, Blake?

00:12:49.000 Yeah, I think, I'll be honest, if they're putting on a bigger show, I think they know that that appeals to the president.

00:12:54.000 We saw it playing the person now.

00:12:55.000 It's very similar to what we saw in the Middle East.

00:12:59.000 Remember when he did that first trip and it was to all the Middle Eastern countries and it was just escalating more and more?

00:13:04.000 Show your respect, though.

00:13:06.000 Bring him a giant pile of emeralds on a camel or something.

00:13:10.000 But I think the most interesting thing is how many.

00:13:15.000 Different CEOs went and how that dynamic is going to work out.

00:13:18.000 Who are you watching in that?

00:13:19.000 Well, so many different things go into that.

00:13:21.000 First, it is a way for President Trump to signal look, all of the biggest companies in the world, the most profitable ones, are still in the US.

00:13:30.000 We have this huge amount of power, but there's also this dimension a lot of those CEOs want to tag along.

00:13:37.000 We know the president gets influenced by the people that he's talking to, that he hangs around with, and these guys, a lot of them do want more normalization with China.

00:13:46.000 Jensen Wang of NVIDIA is there.

00:13:48.000 He Wants to be able to send all his chips to China.

00:13:52.000 He flew on Air Force One with President Trump.

00:13:54.000 So Jensen and Elon both were on Air Force One.

00:13:59.000 I'll be honest, I think I'm a little bit worried about it just in the sense that we know how did China manage to rocket so up and hoover up all of our manufacturing in the first place? 0.85

00:14:11.000 They told them in the 90s and early 2000s if we send our factories to China, if we send our business to China, if we just normalize all of our economic stuff with them.

00:14:21.000 China will liberalize.

00:14:22.000 China will become more like us.

00:14:23.000 We really won't need to worry about communist China because all the communism and authoritarianism will go away.

00:14:28.000 And I'm worried we're seeing a replay of that on the chips question, where there are people who have a very strong reason to believe this because you can make a ton of money selling chips to China who are saying, oh, well, actually, if we give China our chips, we're already ahead.

00:14:41.000 They won't catch up that quickly.

00:14:43.000 Like, we'll be able to get the money and we'll still have the advantage over them on this key technology.

00:14:49.000 And maybe they're right.

00:14:50.000 They're smarter than I am.

00:14:52.000 It sounds like something I've seen before.

00:14:53.000 So, just so we're clear about the chip strategy currently in place, and I'm sure this is going to be a topic of discussion with Xi.

00:14:59.000 The current chip strategy is to give them a generation older, slightly degraded.

00:15:04.000 So, imagine it would be a generation, it's an older generation chip, but still powerful, still better than what they have.

00:15:11.000 Still better than what they have.

00:15:12.000 And the idea is that you degrade it some.

00:15:15.000 So, say instead of 100% capacity of a last gen chip, you degrade it 40%.

00:15:21.000 That's the idea.

00:15:23.000 The strategy is that you make them addicted to our chips so that they don't continue pushing so much resource into Huawei, for example, advancing their own chip technology.

00:15:35.000 So that's the concept.

00:15:36.000 In practice, I don't know that it functionally matters that much.

00:15:39.000 China has shown great proclivities and abilities in the AI space already, even if they are using old chips.

00:15:46.000 But nevertheless, we do maintain an advantage there.

00:15:52.000 We've all been told to eat fruits and vegetables forever, but nobody really explained why.

00:15:57.000 What if I told you that plants have their own nutrition and that it might be better for you than a lot of processed stuff we've added?

00:16:04.000 If nutrition feels overwhelming, it helps to take a step back and zoom out.

00:16:08.000 When you eat whole foods, you're getting what's called phytonutrients.

00:16:12.000 Natural compounds your body uses to adjust, repair, and to respond to every single day stresses.

00:16:18.000 Balance of Nature takes real produce and runs it through a tailored vacuum cold process that stabilizes that phytonutrition.

00:16:26.000 Their whole health system combines fruits and vegetables and fibers and spice, giving you 47 whole food ingredients, and their phytonutrition is one simple routine.

00:16:36.000 Their new freeze dried snacks go through a similar process so your snacks can be whole food based instead of just empty calories.

00:16:43.000 Whole food, phytonutrition, plus balance of nature helps you fight the good fight.

00:16:48.000 Save over 30% when you subscribe at balanceofnature.com.

00:16:52.000 Join hundreds of thousands of customers in one simple routine that's changing the world.

00:16:57.000 You can get an additional 10% off your order just by using the discount code Charlie when you purchase at balanceofnature.com.

00:17:04.000 That's discount code Charlie for 10% off your order.

00:17:10.000 All right.

00:17:11.000 Brandon Gill, you are a representative from Texas, I believe 26, and you're also on the House Oversight Committee, and you have a Big new task force out, sir, to confront Medicaid fraud.

00:17:22.000 We had Luke Rosiak on the show from the Daily Wire exposing that bombshell reporting.

00:17:27.000 It seems like you guys are taking the ball and running.

00:17:30.000 Tell us about it, sir.

00:17:31.000 Well, this is a new task force that Chairman Comer created that I'm going to chair called the Task Force on Defending Constitutional Rights and Exposing Institutional Abuse.

00:17:40.000 And we've got a broad mandate to look at all kinds of areas where the American people's rights are being violated, whether that is NGOs that are funneling tax dollars to left wing.

00:17:52.000 The left wing ecosystem, or entities that are defrauding Medicaid, or businesses that are still utilizing DEI as part of discriminatory hiring practices, or universities doing the same.

00:18:06.000 But to begin this task force, we're launching officially an investigation into this Ohio Medicaid fraud scandal, and the reporting from the Daily Wire has been fantastic on this.

00:18:18.000 This is a scandal that we believe to be at least about a billion dollars.

00:18:22.000 Right now, where you've got doctors who are signing off on Medicaid waiver forms that are allowing people to engage in home health, is what it's called.

00:18:32.000 And that includes explicitly companionship and conversation.

00:18:38.000 So these are people who you don't have to be a doctor to do this.

00:18:42.000 You don't have to prove that the services are being provided.

00:18:44.000 There's no cap on the spend for this program.

00:18:47.000 And you've got a whole variety of Shell LLCs that have been created over the past several years that are acting as Intermediaries to facilitate these, what we believed many to be fraudulent payments.

00:18:59.000 So that's going to be our first order of business.

00:19:01.000 We announced last night that we sent out letters asking for information, communications, and documents from several of these LLCs, as well as the Ohio Medicaid program and the Bureau of Program Integrity, because at the end of the day, we just want to know where our tax dollars are going.

00:19:18.000 Is it going to fraudulent entities?

00:19:20.000 Is it actually benefiting the American people?

00:19:23.000 And in this case, it looks like the answer is no.

00:19:26.000 So we're going to figure out what's going on.

00:19:28.000 And put an end to it.

00:19:30.000 Congressman, it strikes me like what you really want to bring out here.

00:19:33.000 There's the fraud element, but it's the way it fits into what I think a lot of people see as the bigger picture of America, an idiom Charlie liked.

00:19:42.000 It's like America's a giant pile of money the entire world has realized it can just take, or it's like a giant pile of molasses and there's all these flies on it.

00:19:51.000 Because you have fraudulent businesses, whether it's in Medicaid or daycares or whatever, but then that then ties into, well, you have fraud in the immigration system, you have fraud in H1Bs and hiring, you have fraud in.

00:20:06.000 It's like it's a giant apparatus where we have universal basic income, if you will, as long as you're not an ordinary American who was born here and speaks English. 0.97

00:20:17.000 We have universal basic English if you're from a clannish group that's able to not talk to police that operates outside the system and you have Omerta and you just take whatever you can and the Democrats will help you. 0.97

00:20:30.000 It's like it's reparations combined with. 1.00

00:20:34.000 Third world aid.

00:20:35.000 It's like we have USAID is still continuing, but it's for people in this country. 0.88

00:20:39.000 And I guess what I would hope is you guys don't just find the fraud, but you really expose how this system has been created and sustains itself.

00:20:48.000 That's exactly right.

00:20:49.000 And to be clear, the goal is not simply to expose fraud, the goal is to put an end to it.

00:20:55.000 You know, we saw this fraud in Minnesota.

00:20:58.000 We're going after it in Ohio.

00:20:59.000 I think that there are multiple other states that we ought to be looking at as well, and we will.

00:21:05.000 But the goal is to ultimately end it.

00:21:07.000 And with this task force, what I'd like to do is where applicable, where the facts merit doing so, I think we want to issue criminal referrals to the DOJ.

00:21:18.000 And we're also going to put out policy recommendations for the broader Republican conference to take up so that we can pass legislation that will make sure this doesn't happen again.

00:21:28.000 And that's why we're going deep here.

00:21:31.000 We're going to investigate this.

00:21:32.000 Remember, the Oversight Committee in this task force as well has investigatory power, and that's an authority.

00:21:39.000 That Congress has through these committees that we ought to be using, and we're going to.

00:21:44.000 So, we have the power to bring people in, to put them under oath, to make them testify before the committee.

00:21:48.000 We're going to have hearings.

00:21:50.000 We have the power to subpoena documents and information, which we've already done here.

00:21:54.000 We have more subpoenas that are going out or requests for information that are going out in the next couple days.

00:22:00.000 And we're going to use every power at our disposal to go after this fraud because ultimately the American people are so sick of this stuff.

00:22:09.000 You know, we've seen it for a long time.

00:22:11.000 We knew things were bad.

00:22:12.000 Doge, I think.

00:22:13.000 Uncovered far more than anybody was aware of or had any idea was happening.

00:22:18.000 You know, the reason that we know about this Medicaid fraud, by the way, is because Doge published Medicaid receipts about a year ago and it allowed reporters and other people to go through this data.

00:22:29.000 So now we're taking that and we're acting on it.

00:22:31.000 Congressman, are you guys going to be using AI tools to sort of like, you know, detect patterns that are suspicious?

00:22:40.000 Are you going to be using technology?

00:22:42.000 I really just, I really believe in the power of AI when it comes to fraud detection.

00:22:46.000 It's one of the best uses of it, in my opinion.

00:22:49.000 Are you guys exploring that already?

00:22:51.000 That's something that we're going to take a look at.

00:22:52.000 I think anything, if you look at the amount of data here, and I think that's one of the things that seems daunting at first, is that there's an enormous amount of documents to go through.

00:23:02.000 And I think AI could certainly be a part of helping streamline that process.

00:23:08.000 And there may be processes that we can put in place going forward that would help catch this on the front end as opposed to doing investigations on the back end.

00:23:16.000 Right.

00:23:16.000 And I think you've got.

00:23:17.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:23:19.000 I was going to say, you've got multiple problems here with incentive misalignment, states that are doling out federal money that they aren't really on the hook for.

00:23:29.000 And they're incentivized to give out essentially as much money as they possibly can.

00:23:33.000 And that's a problem as well.

00:23:34.000 Yeah.

00:23:35.000 And why I wanted to draw attention to this for our audience, Congressman, is I want to read this quote from Chairman Comer because I think it's what sets this task force apart.

00:23:46.000 I think you're exactly the right person to be running it.

00:23:49.000 I have a lot of hope for this task force because of your leadership.

00:23:53.000 But this is his quote It says, under his leadership, I'm reading from Fox News, we will continue to expose radical ideologies being pushed on Americans and fight to safeguard our freedom.

00:24:03.000 That we've enjoyed as a nation for 250 years.

00:24:06.000 And it says Gill's task force will have a broad purview, including investigating institutions that uphold diversity, equity, and inclusion, individuals who misuse immigration and social welfare programs, and efforts by foreign actors and dark money groups to censor American speech. 0.99

00:24:21.000 That quote from Comer, where he says, expose the ideologies being pushed on Americans, is so critical because, yes, there's structural issues, there's incentive issues, but underlying all of this, Is this dogged drive to force down DEI to this reparations for brown people that are foreigners, have no business being in this country?

00:24:44.000 It's like USAID for people living in the country or something.

00:24:48.000 This reparations, this UBI push, the clear waivers, these waiver systems that essentially don't allow proper oversight and accountability of these systems.

00:24:58.000 You're going after root causes here, which is what I believe makes this a very, very powerful potential of this task force.

00:25:06.000 And so maybe explain the core element there.

00:25:09.000 Well, you know, it's not just the Medicaid fraud that we're going to be going after.

00:25:13.000 I'll give you another example of something that we're working on now, and we'll have more information as we continue to do our work on it.

00:25:21.000 But we're going to be going after DEI in civil society as well, whether it is colleges and universities that refuse to admit somebody because they were born with white skin, or businesses who refuse to hire somebody because they're a white male, or for any other racial characteristic, by the way.

00:25:40.000 And these are This is activity that is clearly illegal right now, but I think it's still happening.

00:25:45.000 You know, these are policies that have been so ingrained into universities and into businesses that it's not something that's easy to turn off overnight.

00:25:54.000 And the best way to ensure that the law is being followed, the law that the president was elected to put forth, is to expose this, to investigate businesses or colleges or other entities that are engaging in these types of discriminatory practices, put them under oath, do an investigation, get documents, get Communications from them, and then we can make criminal referrals where necessary.

00:26:17.000 But the root cause of that is a rotten, evil, discriminatory ideology that's done, of course, as we all know, under the guise of diversity and inclusion.

00:26:27.000 And what it's tended to mean is that there's a large portion of people in the United States, mainly white people or people who have races that the left doesn't favor, who are kind of passed over for promotions, for hiring, for college admissions.

00:26:44.000 And that's wrong, and that's what we're going to end.

00:26:45.000 But that is the root.

00:26:46.000 Cause the rotten ideology that we're going to expose, I think, very clearly.

00:26:52.000 Yeah, well, we want to celebrate it and have your back 100%.

00:26:55.000 Congressman Gill, you are doing great work.

00:26:58.000 I said it last time, I'm going to say it again.

00:27:00.000 I think you're a rising star in the GOP.

00:27:02.000 I want to see your star continue to rise because you get it.

00:27:05.000 You understand what we're up against.

00:27:07.000 You know, to use a cliche, you understand what time it is.

00:27:10.000 We love to say Congress is getting better one new person at a time.

00:27:14.000 And when we say that, we're thinking of you.

00:27:15.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:16.000 And so keep up the good work.

00:27:18.000 And we're going to follow your work on this task force very closely.

00:27:21.000 Closely, and as we can amplify the stories that come out, please let us do so.

00:27:25.000 Congressman Brandon Gill, God bless you, man.

00:27:27.000 Thank you.

00:27:28.000 All right.

00:27:30.000 We wanted to touch on a hearing that's happening on Capitol Hill right now, led by Chairman Rand Paul, and it is about the origins of COVID.

00:27:39.000 Yeah, we haven't let that one go yet.

00:27:41.000 Dr. Fauci's name's back in the news.

00:27:44.000 There's a CIA whistleblower that was, his name's James Erdman III.

00:27:50.000 So he was part of the CIA.

00:27:51.000 Now there's some, you know, back and forth between the CIA saying you didn't go through the proper channels.

00:27:55.000 This guy's not a real whistleblower.

00:27:57.000 And we'll get into that in just a second.

00:27:58.000 But the bottom line here is that.

00:28:01.000 The allegations from this whistleblower are that Dr. Anthony Fauci himself put his thumb on the scales to make sure that the assessment from the intel community was not clear and directive about it being a lab leak.

00:28:15.000 He instead made sure it was, the report said it was neutral, that we couldn't know, even though the vast majority of CIA analysts did believe it was a lab leak, according to this gentleman.

00:28:26.000 So let's just play a couple of clips here.

00:28:30.000 Sot 3.

00:28:31.000 You believe, and the information you're aware of is that.

00:28:34.000 CIA scientists from an early time after the pandemic began, 2020, 2021, were concluding that the lab leak was the most likely hypothesis?

00:28:48.000 Yes, Senator.

00:28:49.000 Very early, as early as 2020, there were agencies within the IC circulating papers that said that all the conditions were present for a lab leak.

00:29:00.000 He continues, specifically mentioning Dr. Fauci's role, SOT 6.

00:29:06.000 Dr. Fauci's role in the cover up was intentional.

00:29:09.000 Dr. Fauci influenced the analytical process and findings by leveraging his position to ensure the IC consulted with a conflicted list of curated subject matter experts, public health officials, and scientists.

00:29:26.000 This included some of the authors of the paper, The Proximal Origin of SARS CoV 2, and other public health experts who have been in his orbit for the last 20 plus years.

00:29:37.000 So, Dr. Fauci's name is getting dropped directly in this hearing, and he continued on.

00:29:43.000 I mean, this was a real bombshell of a hearing.

00:29:45.000 SOT 7.

00:29:46.000 There were two instances.

00:29:48.000 On 3 February 2020 and 4 June 2021, Anthony Fauci had contact with the interagency.

00:29:55.000 He provided a curated list of subject matter experts, which coincidentally wrote the proximal origin of SARS CoV 2.

00:30:03.000 So, it's not like he came in and said, you have to do X, Y, and Z.

00:30:07.000 He provided recommendations.

00:30:09.000 It's when you look at When you look at what has already been publicly released about Dr. Fauci, and then what you're seeing under the curtain at the IC, where you realize, okay, there is a narrative that was being generated.

00:30:23.000 He had tried to sort of keep his hands clear of, I didn't have anything to do with the proximal origin of SARS CoV 2.

00:30:29.000 But in the meantime, he's pushing those authors and individuals that have been in his orbit into the IC as experts.

00:30:37.000 So he's directly naming Dr. Anthony Fauci and explaining the way he would do it, where he wouldn't.

00:30:44.000 Give direction that was necessarily you have to do X, Y, and Z, but he was absolutely weighing in, providing recommendations of which scientists he preferred to be involved in the origin reports of SARS CoV 2.

00:31:02.000 And then there is this whole issue of the CIA, right?

00:31:05.000 So the CIA issued a statement, this statement about this whistleblower.

00:31:10.000 This statement happened during the committee hearing.

00:31:14.000 Ron Johnson, who we've had on the show a number of times, ends up reacting to it and just went off.

00:31:20.000 And you could see that he was actually had a visceral response, anger to this statement made by the CIA SOP 5.

00:31:29.000 Just received this from Liz Lyon, the CIA Director of Public Affairs.

00:31:33.000 Committee acted in bad faith by subpoenaing an agency officer for testimony today without notifying CIA.

00:31:39.000 Despite having already obtained closed-door testimony from the individual previously, the witness testifying today is not appearing as a whistleblower in pursuit of the truth, but instead in response to the subpoena issued by Chairman Paul.

00:31:50.000 This proceeding amounts to nothing more than a dishonest political theater masquerading as a congressional hearing.

00:31:54.000 As the CIA has already assessed, COVID-19 most likely originated from the lab leak and efforts to undermine that conclusion are disingenuous.

00:32:02.000 I am calling on CIA Director Radcliffe and this person to apologize to Chairman Paul and this committee.

00:32:09.000 This is not political theater.

00:32:12.000 I have years and years and years of built-up frustration of agencies like the CIA, Department of Justice, the FBI, HHS snubbing our oversight.

00:32:24.000 Giving us the big middle finger.

00:32:26.000 Yeah, Ron Johnson does have years of built up frustration.

00:32:29.000 And this is something we've seen, especially from the IC and snubbing oversight, constitutional oversight.

00:32:38.000 It's so important to get to the bottom of this because COVID is becoming, everything about that period is becoming the great attempt to memory hole every single thing about it.

00:32:47.000 They try to memory hole Floyd-a-Palooza.

00:32:49.000 We see people going around saying, oh, when did we ever start doing all this insane racial propaganda?

00:32:55.000 And they do it with COVID, where they'll say, Oh, we didn't enforce massive lockdowns on anyone.

00:33:00.000 We've seen this.

00:33:00.000 We've seen people try to say that months or years of lockdowns was a made up thing.

00:33:05.000 It was not made up.

00:33:06.000 And they definitely, definitely want to suppress everything that was going on in the winter and spring of 2020.

00:33:14.000 Well, even back to the fall of 2019.

00:33:16.000 But yes.

00:33:16.000 Yes.

00:33:17.000 They want to obscure everything that would reveal that they colluded to push a narrative about COVID that they knew they couldn't back up, but that they knew would keep them out of trouble.

00:33:28.000 And then they.

00:33:29.000 Made up lockdowns when they did not have actual scientific basis for this.

00:33:33.000 Well, and you're talking about why would they be worried about getting into trouble?

00:33:36.000 It's because we funded so much of this research.

00:33:38.000 We funded the research?

00:33:39.000 This has been a highly controversial form of research, this gain of function research for 20 years, maybe longer.

00:33:46.000 Rand Paul talks about that in this hearing, and they did not want their funding to be linked to a global pandemic.

00:33:54.000 And yeah, the CIA has concluded now that the most plausible hypothesis is that it was a lab leak from Wuhan.

00:34:01.000 But they didn't at the beginning.

00:34:02.000 And why didn't they at the beginning?

00:34:04.000 Not only did they not say that, they actively colluded with large tech companies to censor people who made that argument.

00:34:11.000 They tried to impose mass censorship on a narrative that they then later turned around and said was the one they believed in.

00:34:11.000 That's right.

00:34:18.000 And it was one of the most despicable things any institution has done.

00:34:22.000 And I mean, candidly, if this does not end in some sort of accountability for Dr. Anthony Fauci, then I don't think that the American people are going to get justice.

00:34:34.000 But I hope.

00:34:35.000 That this is the beginning of it.

00:34:36.000 And I listen, I have a lot of disagreements with Senator Rand Paul.

00:34:40.000 But when it comes to Anthony Fauci, this man is on fire and he is like a dog with a bone.

00:34:45.000 And we cheer him on.

00:34:46.000 We do need to get accountability.

00:34:48.000 We need all the people that were involved in this, all the players to admit the truth, to come clean, stop playing defense, stop sending nasty grams to Senator Ron Johnson and Senator Rand Paul, who have been leading and out front on this.

00:34:59.000 We support their efforts 100%.

00:35:01.000 We want justice.

00:35:02.000 We want truth.

00:35:03.000 We want accountability.

00:35:04.000 Dr. Fauci is 85 years old. 1.00

00:35:06.000 He deserves to die in disgrace under indictment. 1.00

00:35:08.000 Amen. 1.00

00:35:11.000 Hey everyone, we're excited to tell you about Charlie's favorite supplement.

00:35:15.000 If you experience brain fog, low energy, frequent illnesses, or if you just wake up stiff and achy every day, you've got to try Strong Cell.

00:35:22.000 Charlie took it every single day.

00:35:24.000 He frequently talked about it on the show and he even traveled around the country bringing it with him.

00:35:28.000 For Charlie, Strong Cell helped keep his mind sharp and focused for all the debates he was engaged in.

00:35:33.000 Strong Cell gives clean, natural energy without jitters, weird spikes, or afternoon crashes.

00:35:38.000 It makes you feel like a younger version of yourself.

00:35:41.000 People would often ask Charlie, What is StrongCell exactly?

00:35:44.000 StrongCell uses a proprietary delivery of NADH to make sure it goes straight to your cells to help your mitochondria.

00:35:51.000 And since there are cells in every area of your body, then healthier cells equals a healthier you.

00:35:57.000 StrongCell is a nutritional supplement that leverages a remarkable enzyme called NADH.

00:36:02.000 Think of it as the power source for every single cell in your body.

00:36:05.000 With over 30 trillion cells working for you, imagine how great you could feel when they're all functioning at their very best.

00:36:12.000 As we age, our body's NADH levels naturally decline, leading to all kinds of ailments and health issues linked with poor cellular health.

00:36:20.000 Unlike many supplements that simply mix ingredients and hope for the best, StrongCell has a proprietary delivery system designed to ensure that those ingredients effectively get into your bloodstream where they can truly make a difference.

00:36:32.000 This is crucial as many supplements on the market are just pretty packaging with no real benefits.

00:36:37.000 Here's the exciting part you can give StrongCell a try completely risk free.

00:36:42.000 Thanks to StrongCell's 90 day money back guarantee, You can experience this revolutionary product with no worries and no hassles.

00:36:49.000 If it's not for you, no problem.

00:36:51.000 They'll refund your money.

00:36:52.000 With nearly 2 million units sold, it's no wonder that NADH has become a highly sought after remedy.

00:36:57.000 Remember, what you put in your body matters, and you truly get what you pay for.

00:37:01.000 StrongCell doesn't cut corners.

00:37:03.000 They use the finest ingredients, and they adhere to the highest manufacturing standards.

00:37:07.000 So if you're tired of feeling tired, battling brain fog, or just not feeling like yourself, check out StrongCell today.

00:37:14.000 Visit strongcell.com and use the code CHARLEY.

00:37:17.000 For 20% off your order.

00:37:18.000 Charlie always recommended giving Strong Cell six to eight weeks to experience its full benefits.

00:37:23.000 So do yourself a favor get Strong Cell today and give it the time it needs to work its magic.

00:37:28.000 That's StrongCell.com forward slash Charlie.

00:37:32.000 And don't forget to use special discount code Charlie at checkout to get a special 20% off just for Kirk listeners.

00:37:39.000 StrongCell.com forward slash Charlie.

00:37:42.000 Check it out right now.

00:37:45.000 We are honored to have in studio Dr. Peter McCullough, who has been a longtime friend of the show, but it's Been a while.

00:37:52.000 So to have you in studio was fantastic.

00:37:54.000 I want to, you know, I want to do my shameless plug for you here.

00:37:57.000 He's got his new New York Times bestseller out here called Vaccines Mythology, Ideology, and Reality.

00:38:04.000 You can check it out right here.

00:38:07.000 And then The Courage to Face COVID 19 right here as well.

00:38:12.000 So he's got two books that I want you guys to check out.

00:38:15.000 You probably got more than that, actually.

00:38:16.000 But you are a really accomplished doctor.

00:38:20.000 I mean, I remember when we first had you on, we read your bio and it was like, A mile long.

00:38:24.000 You're one of the most published doctors around.

00:38:27.000 And, you know, you were so instrumental, I think, in changing the way the country thought about COVID, the way it thought about Dr. Fauci, the way it thought about our response to it, medical freedom.

00:38:42.000 And so it's really great to have you here.

00:38:44.000 And, you know, I want to start where we kind of ended last hour.

00:38:48.000 I know you were in the green room watching some of our reporting on it and our coverage of it.

00:38:53.000 But, you know, Dr. Anthony Fauci is.

00:38:56.000 I mean, Blake ended the hour saying that he's 85 years old. 1.00

00:38:59.000 He deserves to die in disgrace in indictment. 0.91

00:39:02.000 He did receive a preemptive pardon from the Biden administration. 1.00

00:39:05.000 Find a way around it.

00:39:06.000 We'll find a way around it.

00:39:08.000 When you see those clips and you see that there was a concerted effort within the intel communities to obscure, obfuscate the origin of COVID 19, that it wasn't a lab leak, it was neutral or inconclusive when it was so clearly Wuhan, the lab at Wuhan.

00:39:27.000 What do you make of it?

00:39:28.000 How do you react to this hearing that you just witnessed?

00:39:31.000 It's another piece to the puzzle.

00:39:33.000 It appears as if Fauci was collaborating with Dr. Ralph Barrick at the UNC Chapel Hill, had already published on.

00:39:40.000 His work in the Chinese lab.

00:39:42.000 Ralph Barrick suspended at UNC.

00:39:44.000 Today he's actually abruptly resigned.

00:39:49.000 Fauci was also.

00:39:49.000 That's news.

00:39:50.000 And Fauci was collaborating clearly with now debarred Peter Dasik at the EcoHealth Alliance.

00:39:50.000 Yeah.

00:39:56.000 Dasik was shuttling the plans from Barrick over to Xingling Li in Wuhan.

00:40:00.000 Well, explain that too, by the way, because we used to do, Barrick used to do that in the United States at UNC, that this gain of function research was done domestically.

00:40:10.000 I believe during the Obama years, right, there was a moratorium put on that type of research because this has widely been, and for a long time, been viewed as controversial science because there has been such a large number of lab leaks and accidents throughout the years.

00:40:26.000 People think this was like a one off.

00:40:27.000 No, there's hundreds and hundreds of documented cases of lab leaks throughout the years.

00:40:32.000 Even at, I forget the, this was like Wuhan is like a level two and, you know, the highest security is level four, right?

00:40:40.000 Right.

00:40:40.000 Well, Wuhan, during the early creation of SARS CoV 2, it was, Level three.

00:40:47.000 And then the Chinese reached out to Biomer Yu at the time to make a level four annex.

00:40:54.000 Do you know who the CEO of Biomer Yu when they built the annex in Wuhan?

00:41:00.000 No.

00:41:00.000 It was Stefan Bainzel, who's the current CEO of Moderna.

00:41:05.000 Oh, wow.

00:41:05.000 You can't make this up.

00:41:06.000 So I tell you, there was a collaboration, there was a U.S. Chinese collaboration to make the virus, to have it have pandemic potential. 0.81

00:41:15.000 And at the same time, in Barrick's papers, in Proceedings of the National. 0.89

00:41:18.000 Academy of Sciences and Nature Medicine, these papers in 2015, 2016 indicate that the plan is to create a vaccine.

00:41:24.000 In fact, they tried to create a vaccine in those papers, and it's all well documented.

00:41:29.000 So, is that kind of the broad motive?

00:41:33.000 Because to the layman, you're going, why on earth would you create a virus that could cause a mass pandemic, a global pandemic in the first place?

00:41:43.000 Why even do that?

00:41:44.000 Is the larger narrative here just money?

00:41:47.000 They wanted to create.

00:41:48.000 The cure to the disease so that they could make money?

00:41:52.000 Maybe it wasn't, I don't know, some evil, vile, diabolical conspiracy.

00:41:58.000 It was an actual accident.

00:41:59.000 They didn't mean for it to get out.

00:42:00.000 But why do the research in the first place?

00:42:03.000 What's their explanation and what do you believe is the truth?

00:42:06.000 That's my interpretation.

00:42:08.000 I think it accidentally got out of the lab.

00:42:10.000 But I can tell you, if you just look at government websites, DARPA, the Military Research Unit, 2012, they announced a program.

00:42:19.000 It's called the Adept. P3 program on their website.

00:42:22.000 It says we will end pandemics in 60 days using messenger RNA vaccines.

00:42:27.000 That's in 2012.

00:42:30.000 So it's a financial incentive, though, basically.

00:42:33.000 And we were talking in the break, Doctor, about this hantavirus outbreak that we've seen on this cruise ship and how this seems to be, you know, a lot of people, every time a new story comes out about some virus, everybody gets PTSD of COVID and we instantly all go, oh no, they're doing it again.

00:42:52.000 So, you know, the hantavirus, you were telling me there's even, there's already Moderna, I believe you said it was Moderna, is already working on a vaccine for that.

00:43:01.000 So let's just separate fact from fiction.

00:43:04.000 What are you seeing with this hantavirus outbreak on this cruise ship?

00:43:07.000 What do we need to pay attention to?

00:43:09.000 Is there cause for concern?

00:43:11.000 Hantavirus is a virus that is serious.

00:43:15.000 It causes a pulmonary and renal syndrome that can be fatal.

00:43:17.000 Most of the fatalities, this 40% mortality rate, come from rural villages down in Argentina.

00:43:24.000 I mean, there are a lot of deaths that occur.

00:43:26.000 People never even get to the hospital.

00:43:27.000 So I think with modern hospital care, in fact, in the current outbreak, the hospital is saving patients.

00:43:33.000 The important point is it spreads from mice or rats through the urine and feces into the dust in the air, and people breathe it into the lungs.

00:43:42.000 No one's ever coughed out or sneezed out hantavirus from a human to a human.

00:43:46.000 That's never happened.

00:43:48.000 And there was, I think, a paper that was deceptive.

00:43:50.000 It was published in 2020 with a fantastic title in New England Journal of Medicine.

00:43:54.000 First author is Martinez.

00:43:55.000 It said, Super Spreaders of Hantavirus.

00:43:58.000 Super Spreaders, as if humans could spread it.

00:44:01.000 And it was a very poorly done study.

00:44:02.000 Down in Epipoyan in Argentina, a place where the rodents are loaded with the virus.

00:44:10.000 And they thought people went to a birthday party that they spread it to one another.

00:44:14.000 But in fact, the houses were probably loaded with these rodents because they're all over the village.

00:44:18.000 It's a misinterpretation.

00:44:20.000 The Infectious Disease Society of America, two years later, publishes a paper by Toledo that clarifies it and says, no, this is not spread human to human.

00:44:28.000 Well, what's going on with this outbreak?

00:44:30.000 The WHO has immediately assumed there's no rodents on the boat.

00:44:33.000 Let me tell you, this is an older ship.

00:44:35.000 Rodents get on the boat.

00:44:36.000 They're immediately assuming that it's being spread person to person.

00:44:40.000 And so this is a serious thing.

00:44:42.000 The WHO gets involved.

00:44:43.000 In my view, on May 2nd, when they knew what was going on, they were in Cape Verde.

00:44:47.000 They should have evacuated the ship and then decommissioned the ship for sterilization.

00:44:51.000 What did they do?

00:44:52.000 They locked down the ship.

00:44:53.000 People could not get out of their quarters.

00:44:55.000 This is the Princess Cruise Line again.

00:44:56.000 So listen, they locked it down.

00:44:57.000 Probably the virus was in the ventilatory system.

00:45:01.000 People weren't exchanging saliva on the ship.

00:45:03.000 Come on, I don't buy that for a second.

00:45:05.000 And then people got sick.

00:45:06.000 In fact, when we get to the.

00:45:09.000 10th, and they finally get off up in the Canary Islands. 0.92

00:45:13.000 A French woman, she actually is in ICU right now, fighting for life in France. 0.79

00:45:16.000 That one's on the WHO. 0.89

00:45:18.000 She should have never been on that ship.

00:45:19.000 So, your presumption here, your theory is that there are rodents on the ship.

00:45:25.000 It's an old ship.

00:45:26.000 They have the hantavirus, that people are breathing it in through the ventilation system on the boat.

00:45:32.000 The safest thing would have been to get them off the boat, not lock them in basically a death trap.

00:45:38.000 Correct.

00:45:39.000 And I think now this assumption, That each person is super contagious.

00:45:44.000 They have people locked down in Nebraska in a biosecurity center in the Netherlands.

00:45:49.000 They've told some healthcare workers because they didn't wear hazmat suits and they came in peripheral contact with someone that they have to go six weeks of quarantine themselves.

00:45:58.000 It's complete hysteria.

00:46:01.000 Wow.

00:46:02.000 Well, it feels like anything they can do to make people concerned and worried, it's just, you know, I'm grateful for your.

00:46:13.000 Your measured tone here, sir.

00:46:15.000 So, play some of this B roll from this ship, this Hantavirus cruise ship, because you're observing things that I don't think the normal person would observe when you're looking at this.

00:46:26.000 You're seeing, yeah, see, here you go.

00:46:29.000 Here's the ship.

00:46:31.000 And basically, you see all these guys in hazmat suits walking around because, again, they're sort of the assumption that this is human to human contact or something.

00:46:42.000 What are you observing when you see these images, Doctor?

00:46:45.000 Well, first off, Respiratory viruses, which this is not, don't transmit in the open ocean air.

00:46:54.000 You can't get a virus in a sea breeze.

00:46:57.000 So, the safest place for the people to be the entire time would have been on the ship deck.

00:47:02.000 Instead, when the WHO got involved in Cape Verde on May 2nd, they locked people underneath.

00:47:08.000 And you're going to see some images now where the people are in their cabins with no hazmat suits and they look desperate.

00:47:14.000 They go outside, they put on these personal protective gowns and caps and gloves and everything.

00:47:20.000 Then they hose them down outside.

00:47:22.000 Now, watch carefully.

00:47:23.000 Some of the other people around them have no masks or had no hazmat suits, including the driver.

00:47:28.000 So, to me, this looks like WHO theater.

00:47:31.000 Yeah, and you mentioned that the WHO doesn't even treat anybody, right?

00:47:34.000 They don't treat people.

00:47:37.000 It's all there.

00:47:38.000 This is why President Trump is vindicated now for pulling us out.

00:47:41.000 So, in this whole story, I was reminded of the Gene Hackman story.

00:47:47.000 All right.

00:47:47.000 So, Gene Hackman and his wife, you guys will remember, were found dead in their New Mexico house.

00:47:53.000 Really sad story.

00:47:54.000 Gene Hackman, a very celebrated, accomplished actor, did some great, iconic roles.

00:47:58.000 It was a sad way to go out.

00:48:00.000 I mean, he was in his 90s, I believe, and they found him either dead.

00:48:03.000 Dead of a heart attack or dehydrated.

00:48:06.000 His wife, though, was confirmed to have died from Hantavirus.

00:48:09.000 It seems what happened is she died and then he had dementia.

00:48:13.000 And so he was dependent on her and he couldn't care for himself.

00:48:16.000 Correct.

00:48:16.000 So it was a terrible, terrible way to go.

00:48:19.000 But she died of Hantavirus.

00:48:21.000 So this is very interesting because you talked about this Argentina story where it's carried by mice and rodents.

00:48:28.000 What can you tell us about this Gene Hackman story that would be illuminating for this current?

00:48:34.000 Cruise ship story.

00:48:35.000 Well, it takes about a week to ascertain where the rodents are, to sample the droppings in the urine.

00:48:43.000 And they did find rodents on his property, his outbuildings.

00:48:45.000 They even found some of this actually in his vehicles.

00:48:48.000 She dies of it, this really brutal pulmonary renal syndrome.

00:48:53.000 And the interpretation is he has such severe dementia, he ultimately dies of dehydration, heart attack.

00:48:58.000 By the way, one of the dogs died as well, not of hantovirus, but probably of dehydration.

00:49:04.000 But It takes at least a week of investigation.

00:49:07.000 Do you know what the WHO did with this ship, the MV Hondius, in Cape Verde after they got the people off?

00:49:13.000 They kind of looked around and they said, Well, we don't see any rats here.

00:49:17.000 They didn't do any inspections, no samples.

00:49:20.000 They let the crew, 30 crew, and some healthcare workers get back on the ship and then sail for Rotterdam without any biosecurity precautions.

00:49:31.000 So, why are Americans locked down in In Omaha, Nebraska, in a contagion center, and why are the crew sailing off to Rotterdam on the ship?

00:49:42.000 This is astounding.

00:49:43.000 Yeah, so you're saying that there could be some of these crew members that end up getting exposed to the rat droppings or whatever in the ventilation system.

00:49:51.000 There could be more crew members that come down with antivirus.

00:49:54.000 It's possible.

00:49:55.000 I'm hoping that they are wise enough to know what's going on, at least Clorox down the surfaces.

00:50:00.000 They do say that they're wearing masks now.

00:50:03.000 And by the way, masks would play a role because these are on large dust particles.

00:50:07.000 But.

00:50:08.000 The WHO has said when they get to Rotterdam, these guys are in six to eight weeks of quarantine.

00:50:14.000 But couldn't you, since it's not respiratory, you were saying you should be able to do a blood test and see if they're carrying the virus?

00:50:22.000 Right.

00:50:22.000 It's a blood PCR test.

00:50:24.000 Now, it tends to have false positives.

00:50:26.000 We already had two people go to Emory.

00:50:28.000 Remember, oh, she's blood test positive, but then quickly was negative and she's fine.

00:50:32.000 So what we need is we use the blood PCR test, and then there are also serologies or early antibody measurements.

00:50:38.000 And of course, the clinical syndrome.

00:50:42.000 Should be recognized by the doctors, but this report that you see in the media of somebody test positive is not helpful.

00:50:49.000 Yeah, so this feels like this huge panic over something that's linked to rat droppings.

00:50:55.000 And they keep talking about human to human contact, or it's tough to pass human to human, but it could happen.

00:51:02.000 Your perspective is that this has never even been documented as being a thing that happens.

00:51:06.000 So we shouldn't be causing all this hysteria over something that's linked to rat dropping.

00:51:10.000 We shouldn't make a theoretical assumption, which is entirely what the WHO has done and the CDC has done.

00:51:16.000 The theoretical assumption is somehow it's jumped to human to human transmission.

00:51:21.000 And there's not even an explanation of how this is happening.

00:51:24.000 The people are not coughing and sneezing.

00:51:26.000 How is this?

00:51:28.000 Being transmitted human to human.

00:51:29.000 It's just this assumption.

00:51:31.000 And then to make matters worse, that it's wildly contagious outside hazmat suits, biosecurity centers, people away from their families, and for very long periods of time.

00:51:42.000 And by the way, the latency phase on this is probably grossly overestimated.

00:51:47.000 It's been said, oh, you can have the virus for eight weeks before it's expressed.

00:51:51.000 I think that's overestimated because in these studies, largely from South America and the desert southwest, we never know when the exposure to the rodent is.

00:51:58.000 If someone's in the house, And the rodents are still back behind the walls, you're continually exposed.

00:52:03.000 What we saw is the ship takes off on April 1st, everybody's well.

00:52:08.000 The first man gets sick by April 6th, and he's dead by April 11th.

00:52:13.000 But it could be possible that he brought the hantavirus with him.

00:52:16.000 It could be.

00:52:17.000 There's been speculation that they came in a garbage dump and they tracked it on their feet.

00:52:17.000 It's possible.

00:52:23.000 Let me tell you, the virus doesn't stay alive outside the rodents very long, only about two to three days.

00:52:28.000 So the rodents have to be there continually excreting.

00:52:31.000 In order for you to get it.

00:52:33.000 So that's the reason why rodent control is key.

00:52:36.000 I think this whole thing is probably going to be back to rodent spread, not human to human.

00:52:42.000 I don't think people are wildly contagious.

00:52:44.000 And you can see experts going out there saying, you know, we see this happening and an air of precaution, but no one is able to identify clear human to human spread.

00:52:53.000 All right.

00:52:54.000 We've only got a minute and 30 left.

00:52:55.000 I want to ask you about Marty McCary, who was the head of the FDA and he has resigned now.

00:53:03.000 Huge, huge following within the Maha movement.

00:53:06.000 So, I'm watching the Maha movement, and are they happy?

00:53:10.000 Because I think it's an important part of our coalition for 2026, 2028.

00:53:10.000 Are they unhappy?

00:53:16.000 Just really quickly, what's your read on what happened there?

00:53:19.000 And should we be concerned if you're a Maha fan?

00:53:23.000 Well, like me, Macquarie was a frequent commentator on the news on Fox, for instance.

00:53:28.000 We went on primetime many times during the pandemic.

00:53:31.000 Now, he focused on lockdowns and masks, and I was focused on the heavy duty things like early treatment and vaccines.

00:53:37.000 He was the first surgeon.

00:53:39.000 To ever be appointed to that position, he didn't have any leadership experience and didn't have any drug development experience.

00:53:45.000 I think, honestly, he just wasn't a good fit.

00:53:47.000 Trump had very good things to say about him.

00:53:50.000 Yeah.

00:53:50.000 But I think we need to do better.

00:53:51.000 We need somebody who has bona fide drug development and drug safety experience.

00:53:56.000 And he's come on this show.

00:53:56.000 Yeah.

00:53:57.000 He's been great.

00:53:58.000 Charlie and he were friends, and we wish him well.

00:54:02.000 It could just be one of those things where it wasn't the right fit.

00:54:05.000 I've been very courageous during COVID.

00:54:05.000 He's a great guy.

00:54:07.000 So anybody that's courageous during COVID has my massive respect.

00:54:10.000 Like you, sir.

00:54:11.000 So hopefully, he goes on to even greater and better things.

00:54:15.000 Check out the new book, the New York Times bestseller, Vaccines by Dr. Peter McCullough Mythology, Ideology, and Reality.

00:54:22.000 Thank you for coming on set with us.

00:54:24.000 God bless you.

00:54:24.000 Appreciate it.

00:54:27.000 Gentlemen, let's get real for a second.

00:54:30.000 Are you frustrated with today's woke dating scene?

00:54:32.000 The apps, the games, the endless swiping?

00:54:35.000 It's a waste of time.

00:54:37.000 Finding a woman who shares your values, faith, family, patriotism, If it feels nearly impossible, it doesn't have to.

00:54:44.000 Selective Search, America's leading matchmaking firm, is changing the game.

00:54:49.000 They connect strong, successful men like you, men who love God, love America, want a family, with women who share your values.

00:54:56.000 These are intelligent, faith driven women who put family first and still believe in traditional values.

00:55:01.000 Imagine that. 0.84

00:55:02.000 If you're a single conservative man in his late 30s to early 50s in Southern California, listen up Selective Search has an exclusive network of women ready for the real thing. 0.68

00:55:12.000 Here's the best part their candidate program is 100% free and confidential.

00:55:17.000 Some of our closest friends, the show, have used Selective Search.

00:55:21.000 And let me tell you, They're meeting great, great women, high quality women.

00:55:25.000 This is your chance.

00:55:26.000 This isn't an app, it's your answer. 0.97

00:55:28.000 The perfect conservative woman is out there waiting for you. 0.99

00:55:31.000 Visit Selective Search.com California today. 0.98

00:55:35.000 Let the professionals introduce you to women already looking for someone like you in Southern California. 0.97

00:55:42.000 Don't wait for the perfect match.

00:55:43.000 Take action now.

00:55:44.000 Go to Selective Search.com California and start building the future you deserve.

00:55:52.000 All right.

00:55:53.000 I am very excited about this.

00:55:56.000 I want to make sure I get your whole title correct here.

00:55:59.000 Dr. Oz, Dr. Mehmet Oz, formerly known as the Wizard.

00:56:03.000 No, I'm just kidding.

00:56:04.000 He's the administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

00:56:09.000 Huge, huge job.

00:56:10.000 And you have taken front and center in so much of what the administration is doing with this fraud task force.

00:56:17.000 When you entered this job, did you know that this was going to be such a huge part of what you did?

00:56:23.000 You know, we made OKRs, objectives and key results.

00:56:26.000 Folks who work in the technology space, they'll recognize that's a tactic that's used with large organizations to sort of make sure everyone knows where you're headed.

00:56:33.000 Crushing fraud, waste, and abuse is one of them.

00:56:35.000 And I'll tell you why.

00:56:37.000 I was approached by so many vendors after the president nominated me who wanted to sell us services to reduce fraud, waste, and abuse.

00:56:45.000 So I figured there's a lot of market here.

00:56:47.000 All these people think they're going to make a fortune shutting down fraud.

00:56:50.000 By the way, they take a part of the action, which is why they make so much money.

00:56:54.000 I thought if there's 100 vendors approaching me, To sell me services, there's something going on I got to pay attention to.

00:56:59.000 So it actually clued me into the magnitude of the problem.

00:57:02.000 What I didn't realize was that fraud, and listen carefully, fraud is not a flaw for many states.

00:57:09.000 It's a feature, it's an opportunity.

00:57:11.000 Let me walk you through an example, because once you understand that, you realize that we're not actually a team going after this.

00:57:18.000 This is why what the president did was so important when he announced a task force, a White House anti fraud task force that the vice president is leading, that's going to be able to get an all of government approach.

00:57:28.000 Because if you don't get the entire federal government on board, You know, the Office Inspector General, the FBI, Department of Justice, us at Medicare, we have the numbers.

00:57:38.000 They have the law enforcement shops.

00:57:40.000 We need Treasury because Scott Business Guys have forensic accounting.

00:57:43.000 If we don't do that together, our counterparty, which are the states, they dominate the process.

00:57:49.000 And if they don't want to play with us, because for them there's an advantage to some of this fraud, it's a problem.

00:57:53.000 So let me just tell you the story real quick.

00:57:55.000 Just one example New York State, big state, you know, Fifth Avenue, shopping, sales, right?

00:58:00.000 Mamdani.

00:58:01.000 Mamdani, right?

00:58:02.000 The number one job in the whole state of New York.

00:58:05.000 The number one job is being a personal care service helper, which means you're carrying the groceries upstairs, you're helping with shopping, you're often the son of the person you're helping.

00:58:15.000 So you have.

00:58:16.000 It's something like one in six jobs in New York City, I think.

00:58:19.000 Well, it might be that in New York City.

00:58:21.000 It's about half a million jobs in the state.

00:58:23.000 It's the fastest growing part of the job sector, but here's why it matters to the governor it's a jobs program.

00:58:29.000 So when these people are being hired, they come off the unemployment rolls.

00:58:32.000 You're not paying them to do something your family would do for you normally.

00:58:36.000 They're taking that money as disposable income.

00:58:39.000 They're paying taxes on that.

00:58:40.000 And here's the part that a lot of folks don't realize might happen, and it's just starting now.

00:58:44.000 We're trying to understand it a bit more.

00:58:46.000 Unions are getting involved and unionizing these people.

00:58:49.000 We're seeing similar things happen in California, where I was just coming from.

00:58:53.000 So, you actually have a massive infrastructure that begins to resemble political patronage.

00:58:59.000 And so, when you have that kind of advantage, you're now having the federal government funding a jobs program that states and unions that support one political party in general are taking, they're public unions.

00:59:11.000 I'm not talking about private unions, are taking advantage of.

00:59:14.000 So, I think we have a big battle in front of us.

00:59:17.000 We've already deferred about $350 million from Minnesota because their past receipts, what they pay us, what they show us they paid, don't add up in our mind.

00:59:29.000 There's too much variance.

00:59:30.000 And again, Medicaid, which is for poorer people, folks who are vulnerable, the state pays the bill and then we reimburse them as opposed to Medicare, which is for older folks where we just pay the bill to get go.

00:59:42.000 And we have a lot more control over Medicare.

00:59:44.000 That's why things like hospice fraud are so maddening to me because hospice fraud happens when states don't police licenses and the federal government's not paying attention.

00:59:53.000 And the prior administration actively ignored warning signs that there were problems.

00:59:58.000 And in California, the Auditor General of the state of California four years ago said, We have a fraud problem.

01:00:04.000 You must act.

01:00:05.000 No one did anything.

01:00:06.000 I have a question.

01:00:07.000 How much of this accelerated under the Biden administration?

01:00:09.000 How bad?

01:00:10.000 I'm sure it was there before, but like, did post COVID, during Biden, did it just get extraordinarily worse?

01:00:16.000 It was weaponized after COVID.

01:00:18.000 Now, two parts to that answer. 0.94

01:00:20.000 First, COVID itself taught a lot of people, especially foreigners, Who didn't understand America and foreign governments, they could steal from the federal government and probably not get caught. 0.78

01:00:30.000 Just the whole way we conducted our business of government during COVID.

01:00:34.000 But then add to that, the Biden administration's willful disregard for fraud they knew was happening.

01:00:39.000 People in my agency, even folks who are not maybe politically aligned, who have been there for years and are career employees, they'll acknowledge, listen, they came to government to work and fix stuff.

01:00:50.000 They're not just sitting there trying to collect a paycheck.

01:00:53.000 They're good ones, yeah.

01:00:53.000 Well, the reason I say that in my agency, Medicare, Medicaid, these are insurance people.

01:00:57.000 These are Actuarials.

01:00:58.000 I mean, these people can get paid twice as much money outside the government.

01:01:03.000 So if they're going to come in, they want to do their job.

01:01:05.000 And they were told, stand down, don't do that.

01:01:07.000 Instead, just focus on enrolling new people.

01:01:09.000 And the more we realize the implications of that, that you think you're doing good by bringing people onto these programs that don't have the right reasons to be on those programs, you actually hurt the people who deserve to be on there.

01:01:21.000 So let me finish with hospice real quick in California.

01:01:23.000 One third of all hospices in the entire country, in the whole country, are in Los Angeles.

01:01:29.000 Not California, just the city of Los Angeles.

01:01:31.000 And so you begin to appreciate that half of these folks are probably fraudulent.

01:01:36.000 That's a corruption that is so deep.

01:01:39.000 It's not about whittling off the edges, it's not about sending a memo out.

01:01:42.000 In fact, when the memos are being sent out from California, someone in Sacramento at a senior level stomps them down.

01:01:48.000 Literally, in the end of December, they were trying to do something that was going to be very helpful.

01:01:52.000 They would have taken action on January 1st.

01:01:54.000 The rule was simple doctors may not participate in more than one hospice.

01:02:00.000 Just take care of the one hospice you're in.

01:02:00.000 Why would you?

01:02:02.000 You get multiple hospices, you can get paid more.

01:02:04.000 People bribe you to lie about people who are going to die, and so they can collect more money.

01:02:09.000 So they were going to stop that down.

01:02:11.000 Sacramento blocked it.

01:02:12.000 Why?

01:02:12.000 Could you get in the way of fixing an integrity issue in something as precious as hospice?

01:02:18.000 It's because you actually don't want to fix it.

01:02:21.000 There's something so, I think, my favorite preposterous aspect of the California hospice fraud thing specifically, the California AG specifically attacked you when you did your viral video in Los Angeles.

01:02:32.000 You were finding all of these.

01:02:34.000 Fraudulent Owens linked to gangs, Armenian gangs specifically, in many cases.

01:02:37.000 And Banta, I'm trying to find the quote here, and he said basically that this was a reckless and false allegation.

01:02:44.000 And then, literally, last August, he'd been bragging about how there was an epidemic of fraud, of hospice fraud specifically in California, and he was fighting it.

01:02:51.000 And they just turn around and they're threatening to sue you for pointing out how bad it is.

01:02:56.000 Oh, they're not threatening to sue me.

01:02:58.000 They're suing me.

01:02:59.000 They're coming out.

01:03:00.000 And I'm thinking, you understand, this is how animals in the wild who are being hunted, cornered.

01:03:06.000 When they're cornered, they obfuscate, they release a smoke stream.

01:03:09.000 That's what they're trying to do, which, of course, isn't going to work for us.

01:03:12.000 The president is not going to be slowed down, nor me or anybody else he hires.

01:03:14.000 From going after the duty we swore to uphold, which is to protect the American people.

01:03:18.000 Now, here's the reality that kind of corruption, but it does two things.

01:03:22.000 First off, if you're willing to steal someone's money, you'll steal their life.

01:03:25.000 These folks have no morals at all.

01:03:26.000 Many of them, by the way, they're not Americans.

01:03:28.000 Or if they came here, there's one bus that I'm just going to tell you about because I saw your sponsor before I came on.

01:03:35.000 These guys, they sold $58 million with fake hospice.

01:03:38.000 Like they manufactured, they didn't take care of anybody.

01:03:40.000 They just sent in blank bills.

01:03:42.000 They got paid by the state or by the federal government.

01:03:45.000 They wanted to get their money out of the country to go back where they came from.

01:03:48.000 They converted it to gold.

01:03:50.000 They bought gold bars.

01:03:52.000 Even criminals know.

01:03:53.000 They buy gold bars, put it in their suitcases, and they're escaping.

01:03:56.000 Thankfully, the Office of Inspector General, great people, got a search warrant, got some of the money back.

01:04:01.000 But some of the money went back to where they came from.

01:04:03.000 And I'm looking at these stories and thinking, this is so preposterous.

01:04:06.000 You would never imagine anybody would tolerate this.

01:04:09.000 You come from another country.

01:04:10.000 We take you in.

01:04:11.000 We're giving you the blessings of being in America.

01:04:14.000 You rob from our most vulnerable people, convert it to gold so egregiously so you can get out of the country because you know you'll get caught.

01:04:21.000 Eventually.

01:04:22.000 And we're in California anyway.

01:04:23.000 They're whittling around, spending time.

01:04:25.000 I mean, Wednesday, I was blessed to join the DEA with 200 agents to go into MacArthur Park.

01:04:32.000 There's one of the biggest open air drug markets in the country and shut down the Sinaloa gang doing business there.

01:04:39.000 Listen, the group, these investigators, found 19 kilos of fentanyl.

01:04:44.000 That's enough to kill maybe 190,000 people.

01:04:47.000 That's what the agents told me.

01:04:48.000 That's a lot of bad stuff.

01:04:51.000 And the gangs write their names on the buildings in LA because they own those buildings.

01:04:55.000 Like, you can't go there.

01:04:57.000 So, the 18th Street Gang, MS-13, they own parts of the city.

01:05:02.000 I'm thinking, my goodness, a foreign cartel, supported maybe by even foreign governments, are owning parts of the city of Los Angeles.

01:05:08.000 Why does the federal government have to come in and rescue them?

01:05:11.000 What happened to Sacramento?

01:05:13.000 What happened to the governor?

01:05:13.000 And they don't want to be rescued.

01:05:15.000 That's what's worse.

01:05:16.000 They fight you guys, they sue you guys, they create political ads demonizing you guys.

01:05:21.000 Do we have.

01:05:22.000 A ballpark estimate.

01:05:24.000 What is the national scale? 1.00

01:05:25.000 How much are we losing to fraud generally, these foreign gangs just basically looting America? 1.00

01:05:31.000 We believe Medicare and Medicaid lose $100 billion a year. 0.99

01:05:35.000 To put it in perspective that folks can process, if you're young, as many of your listeners are, and you think you're going to retire on Medicare, if we could take the fraud out of the system, we would double the life expectancy of the Medicare Trust Fund.

01:05:47.000 In other words, your Medicare would last twice as long.

01:05:49.000 So if you're worried about Medicare being strong enough to take care of you after you've worked a long life, Help us with the fraud effort.

01:05:55.000 If you have anyone that you know that you think is defrauding us, call this podcast.

01:06:00.000 Or if you've got a loved one who's sharing their beneficiary number, their Medicare number with anybody else, stop them because that's like a credit card. 0.86

01:06:06.000 Foreign countries take that card, they weaponize it, they steal from us. 0.82

01:06:10.000 Dr. Mehmet Oz, not a TV star. 0.98

01:06:13.000 No, no.

01:06:14.000 Uh-uh.

01:06:15.000 This guy is a serious operator who is addressing one of the most critical needs in our federal government, and that's driving out, rooting out waste, fraud, and abuse in our Medicare and Medicaid systems.

01:06:26.000 And man, it has been one of the central.

01:06:29.000 Storylines, even so much so that you have JD Vance singing your praises, specifically naming you for the work that you're doing on this.

01:06:37.000 I actually had the honor of being the one interviewing him in this moment.

01:06:40.000 Sop 5.

01:06:41.000 Who's been amazing on this is Dr. Oz, Mehmet Oz, who runs the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, because so much of the fraud in our system is people who are defrauding Medicare and Medicaid.

01:06:51.000 Dr. Oz, working with some of the people in our Department of Justice, found is that in Southern California, you had all these people who were engaged in massive fraud against the Medicare system.

01:07:02.000 You had just tons and tons of people getting rich off fraud.

01:07:06.000 And so we had our sort of our weekly fraud check-in call two weeks ago.

01:07:11.000 And Dr. Oz called in, but he's like, Hey, I gotta go because I'm about to hop on the bus and we're gonna go arrest a bunch of fraudsters in Los Angeles.

01:07:19.000 I was like, That's exactly what I want you to do.

01:07:21.000 By all means, get off the phone.

01:07:23.000 So, proof is in the pudding, right?

01:07:25.000 Here's the proof. 0.57

01:07:26.000 Sot one.

01:07:27.000 Here is a big hospice center.

01:07:30.000 There are apparently quite a few hospices around here 42 within a four block radius.

01:07:36.000 And these guys stole 16 million dollars.

01:07:39.000 What we have learned is there's roughly Three and a half billion dollars of fraud taking place here in Los Angeles in hospice and home care.

01:07:48.000 It's 42 hospices in three blocks.

01:07:52.000 Yeah, three or four blocks.

01:07:53.000 This is the fact that it has gone on this long without us realizing.

01:07:57.000 I mean, we knew we'd always see Elon would say, like, there's all this fraud, and we'd be like, okay, okay.

01:08:02.000 And you people have talked about you go around area like neighborhoods of cities and you say, you see these buildings, there's never activity around them, there's constant, there's all these signs for businesses, and they're just sort of vacant.

01:08:13.000 Empty.

01:08:14.000 Saw this in Minneapolis with the quality Learning Center.

01:08:17.000 That really blew the lid off.

01:08:18.000 It's a business that's getting millions of dollars.

01:08:20.000 And then they talk to locals and they say, I've never seen any person set foot here.

01:08:24.000 By the way, I want to compliment the vice president because the president obviously anointed him to lead the White House anti fraud task force, but he's been a spectacular hands on leader.

01:08:34.000 We campaigned together, by the way, in 2022.

01:08:36.000 And actually, Charlie came and visited, and Turning Point was very supportive in both of our efforts.

01:08:40.000 So thank you for that.

01:08:41.000 But the opportunity to have the vice president lead an effort like this ensures that.

01:08:46.000 All the different agencies within government work together.

01:08:49.000 You make a great point.

01:08:50.000 Why wasn't this noticed before?

01:08:51.000 Well, part of it was ideological.

01:08:53.000 I mean, the private administration just did not care about fraud.

01:08:56.000 It wasn't what they thought was the problem.

01:08:58.000 Unfortunately, they were wrong.

01:09:00.000 But even if you want to fix it in government, if I'm doing the accounting work and telling you, you know, hey, these guys are taking five times more money than anybody else around, or there's 42 of these facilities, you know, working within a four block radius, which is impossible.

01:09:13.000 Why do you need 42 hospices in four blocks?

01:09:15.000 You know, they would normally naturally be dispersed.

01:09:17.000 You also have to be able to get the FBI to pay attention.

01:09:20.000 And you have to get the Office of Inspector General.

01:09:23.000 They're guys who are like the beat cops going out there and catching a lot of these guys and getting the clues.

01:09:27.000 You need the Department of Justice to focus.

01:09:29.000 You need to have accounting and banking support.

01:09:32.000 Because remember, what you really appreciate is the small level guys, just like the drug business, they make small amounts of money, a million here, a million there.

01:09:39.000 Then it aggregates up through money laundering and other ways of obfuscating where the cash is headed to these large criminal syndicates.

01:09:47.000 And these syndicates, they're dangerous, they'll scare you.

01:09:50.000 I went to Flushing, New York.

01:09:52.000 Recently.

01:09:52.000 Now, for folks who don't know, Flesh in New York, there's a massive Chinese population there.

01:09:57.000 And I ran into, I was looking at these things called social adult daycare centers.

01:10:01.000 They're basically unlicensed facilities where seniors can come together.

01:10:05.000 They do it because they can recruit people in these facilities to give up their Medicare beneficiary numbers, which are like credit cards.

01:10:11.000 They say, listen, I'll pay you $1,000 a month.

01:10:13.000 You sign this document saying you came here every day.

01:10:16.000 We're going to send you home health care, even if you don't need it.

01:10:18.000 We're going to send you wheelchairs you don't need, expensive prescription branded drugs you don't want.

01:10:23.000 I'm going to send you for x rays you don't need, just because you can generate billing.

01:10:26.000 So, they do all this stuff.

01:10:27.000 I go there and I run into my charge nurse. 0.99

01:10:29.000 Now, she's like Nurse Ratchet. 1.00

01:10:30.000 She's a tough nut.

01:10:31.000 I've opened chest with her.

01:10:33.000 You know, we've been through some life and death circumstances.

01:10:35.000 Nothing phases her.

01:10:36.000 She sees me, she initially hugs me.

01:10:38.000 She's so happy I'm there.

01:10:39.000 And then she asked me why I'm there.

01:10:40.000 And I have some guys around me.

01:10:42.000 They look like they're FBI and DOJ because they were, right?

01:10:45.000 They came from the Southern District.

01:10:46.000 We went over there.

01:10:47.000 And she says, If you're with law enforcement, you have to leave right now.

01:10:50.000 I said, What do you mean?

01:10:51.000 She says, It's very dangerous, very dangerous.

01:10:53.000 You must go right now.

01:10:53.000 And then she ran away and warned me to get out of town.

01:10:57.000 And then I learned later on that nobody actually will testify against these guys.

01:11:01.000 Again, organized criminal elements.

01:11:02.000 There may even be Chinese government involvement here.

01:11:05.000 So please don't think these are small little scoundrels. 0.92

01:11:07.000 These are not a few Somalians here and there. 0.99

01:11:10.000 This is weaponized. 1.00

01:11:11.000 In South Florida, because it's not just a blue state problem, there are twice as many durable medical equipment suppliers than McDonald's.

01:11:18.000 That's impossible.

01:11:19.000 I mean, Bobby, as great as he is, is not shutting McDonald's down, right?

01:11:23.000 So you're seeing now massive growth.

01:11:24.000 Now, why?

01:11:25.000 We think the Cuban government might be involved.

01:11:28.000 Mayor Suarez thought that.

01:11:29.000 We have Cuban nationals that are often put as the titular owners, but they don't. 0.99

01:11:33.000 They pretend to send bills out, again, with stolen beneficiary numbers. 0.98

01:11:37.000 They generate billions of dollars.

01:11:39.000 Can we?

01:11:39.000 Well, it makes like AI involved.

01:11:41.000 To like trace this?

01:11:42.000 Are we doing that?

01:11:43.000 Oh, yeah, big time.

01:11:43.000 Okay.

01:11:44.000 So we have a, we announced a major fraud center, and this is all technology based without doing anything else but looking with AI at where the numbers don't work.

01:11:55.000 You used to build this much, now you're building way up, and you're much higher than anyone around you, or you're not the right place.

01:12:00.000 Lack of oversight, because you talk about the states.

01:12:02.000 We had Luke Rosiak on the show, who was the Daily Wire, did that Medicaid millionaire story that came out.

01:12:08.000 I read it.

01:12:09.000 Yeah.

01:12:09.000 So, but one of these issues, you talk about it's not just a blue state issue, this is Ohio, Governor DeWine.

01:12:14.000 They intentionally rolled back some of the accountability and oversight, these waiver programs.

01:12:19.000 What are you going to do about that to hold the states accountable?

01:12:21.000 It's a brilliant question because when you really get down to it, you have people who are not breaking the law, they're just breaking the moral code.

01:12:29.000 We have a deal in America.

01:12:31.000 Like all great people, we will take care of our most vulnerable.

01:12:34.000 Hubert Humphrey, who was a Democrat, but this is back in the 60s, said it was the moral test of government to take care of those at the dawn of life, our children.

01:12:43.000 We cover 53% of all kids born in America.

01:12:46.000 On Medicaid or CHIPS.

01:12:48.000 Take care of those at the twilight of life, our seniors, and take care of those living in the shadows, people on drugs, people who just can't get out of their own way.

01:12:55.000 So, our job is to take care of our fellow man when they struggle.

01:12:58.000 When you allow people to pilfer these entities and take advantage of our most vulnerable, we're abdicating our responsibility.

01:13:06.000 And that's what I'm seeing.

01:13:07.000 And again, it's not just blue states.

01:13:10.000 We're seeing it in many places, and we're going to hold folks accountable.

01:13:12.000 It is imperative that we buckle down and send a very clear message that what started and really got weaponized during COVID.

01:13:20.000 Is done.

01:13:20.000 We're not going to tolerate this.

01:13:21.000 It's a new sheriff in town.

01:13:23.000 We're coming after you.

01:13:24.000 And I'll tell you, the vice president, we've had significant discussions around this.

01:13:28.000 Colin, the team, Andrew Ferguson, that whole team around him that he's brought in, is getting everyone working together.

01:13:34.000 When you bring all the fingers together, you make a fist.

01:13:36.000 And we're going to pound hard until we clean up.

01:13:39.000 But couldn't you change regulations if you're going to get these grants or these reimbursements that you have to enforce certain things or get rid of these waiver programs?

01:13:47.000 Could you do something like that?

01:13:48.000 We're actively doing that.

01:13:50.000 We have rulemaking that I'm not supposed to speak about until we actually publish them.

01:13:54.000 A lot of it is the federal government doing its job too.

01:13:56.000 But, you know, I inherited an agency I think is fantastic, but we had definite shortcomings.

01:14:02.000 This failure was across all of government.

01:14:04.000 I just wanted to put in scope you mentioned $100 billion a year of fraud just within your office.

01:14:10.000 That's the annual cost of the war in Afghanistan.

01:14:14.000 And another way of putting it, I love the scale of lifetime tax contributions of the average American is about $500,000.

01:14:20.000 So that's 200,000 people's lifetime's worth of taxes in fraud.

01:14:25.000 That's the population here.

01:14:26.000 We're right by Tempe, Arizona.

01:14:28.000 Or Sioux Falls, the city I'm from. 0.99

01:14:29.000 Like everyone there, their lifetime of tax contributions burned up, stolen by Chinese, Russian, Cuban gangs, looted. 0.99

01:14:38.000 Yeah. 0.79

01:14:39.000 Well, so you talked about why this was allowed to continue.

01:14:44.000 I think this is a deep ideological sickness within the left.

01:14:48.000 I think that they see it as either a form of reparations or political patronage, like you said, that they're paying off their voting constituents.

01:14:55.000 And these are states, New York, California, that are losing jobs, that are losing productive class citizenry to red states. 0.76

01:15:03.000 This is a way to backfill the tax base. 0.93

01:15:05.000 This is a way to keep people happy, fed.

01:15:08.000 But I think it's a form of they feel.

01:15:12.000 Like the white man or the capitalist or whatever their boogeyman is, have pilfered from them, so they're going to pilfer and make sure that the immigrant class, the black and brown class, is compensated fairly.

01:15:26.000 I don't think they want to see this stuff. 0.98

01:15:28.000 I genuinely think they want to turn a blind eye to it because they know it's happening and they want it to happen.

01:15:33.000 That's my opinion.

01:15:34.000 You don't have to agree with it.

01:15:36.000 Explain just the ideology that you think, because you're coming into this agency and working with the states, you're seeing it, what's driving them.

01:15:43.000 What do you think it is?

01:15:45.000 I think after Obamacare, when the percentage of the federal government's contribution to the state government went up, people began to figure out they might be able to game this.

01:15:55.000 Now, everyone sort of realized there was a risk here, but is there a war in the patriarchy?

01:16:00.000 That's an obviously issue we can talk about quite a bit.

01:16:03.000 But within this, I don't have to assess motivation, I can just assess action.

01:16:08.000 What you are doing is actively destroying our country.

01:16:11.000 And you're destroying programs that I personally have worked in my whole life and I love.

01:16:16.000 Medicare is an incredibly effective crown jewel.

01:16:19.000 Of our social safety net.

01:16:20.000 Every American can work their life as hard as they want.

01:16:23.000 And if they can't work for whatever reason, it's still okay.

01:16:25.000 By age 65, you can go on Medicare.

01:16:27.000 We will take care of you.

01:16:28.000 There are no hungry old people in the streets dying of treatable illnesses.

01:16:32.000 Younger people who have, again, fallen and can't get up on Medicaid, we have a beautiful program to help them.

01:16:37.000 These programs work because we have a handshake agreement that we will trust each other.

01:16:41.000 And I say that because if I'm starting to pay for things that your family should do for you, and then you didn't have to do that, you're cheating.

01:16:48.000 If the person who's supposed to come to your house and carry the groceries upstairs never shows up, You're cheating.

01:16:53.000 If that person doesn't have any credentials or right to do it or not supposed to be able to drive you to the doctor's office and they do that, you're cheating.

01:16:59.000 All this happens in an unmonitored setting.

01:17:01.000 So, the entire program of these non traditional services in Medicaid are built in a handshake, and trust is a flighting entity.

01:17:12.000 It's like fizzy water on your tongue.

01:17:14.000 If you don't take care of it and protect it, it dissipates.

01:17:17.000 And when people stop trusting Medicaid, they will stop paying into it.

01:17:20.000 We will abandon Americans if that happens.

01:17:22.000 So, we're not going to let that happen.

01:17:24.000 Like anybody who loves a program, you'll do even difficult things to save it.

01:17:28.000 And that's what we're up to.

01:17:29.000 You know, Blake tells a story.

01:17:30.000 I don't know where you got this, but I know I got it from you.

01:17:33.000 It was in Asian culture.

01:17:33.000 I don't know if it was Japan or South Korea, but a man caught an American trying to jaywalk.

01:17:41.000 And the man stopped the person and said, basically, if I let you jaywalk, like.

01:17:46.000 He says, the downfall of civilization begins with the individual.

01:17:50.000 Blake, that is.

01:17:52.000 Is that how you raise your kids?

01:17:53.000 Yes.

01:17:54.000 That's why all of this matters.

01:17:55.000 It's like, I'm telling you, it's like, you know, the old adage is like.

01:17:58.000 The individual sin, if it doesn't hurt somebody, my individual choices, they don't hurt them, so I'm allowed to do them.

01:18:04.000 The downfall of civilization begins with the individual, and then you compound it until you have $100 billion in fraud.

01:18:11.000 And I just, we'll wrap it here, Dr. Oz.

01:18:14.000 I think you are the perfect man for this job.

01:18:16.000 It's like for such a time as this, you're taking it on with such zest and zeal.

01:18:20.000 And, you know, a grateful nation thanks you genuinely.

01:18:24.000 Thank you for how much energy you're bringing to this.

01:18:27.000 And you seem to have just a joy in doing your job, and that's what we need in the federal government.

01:18:32.000 So thank you.

01:18:32.000 You know, I love my job, and I'm blessed to be able to say this to the president once in a while because I love being a heart surgeon.

01:18:38.000 I mean, I did.

01:18:39.000 It was the best job in the world.

01:18:40.000 You get to look people in the eyes and you're there for each other.

01:18:42.000 It's rewarding every single day.

01:18:44.000 I loved hosting the show.

01:18:45.000 Like you, I get to talk to folks every single day and try to share insights that might be beneficial.

01:18:50.000 But this is unique because I'm in the change business, like you are.

01:18:53.000 And the ability to go out there and fix problems instead of just complaining about them exists.

01:18:58.000 So let me leave you with one request.

01:19:00.000 We're out there recruiting people to come join us, not just to call in when you have problems and tips.

01:19:05.000 But I actually want more people in the agency.

01:19:06.000 We're going to recruit a thousand more people.

01:19:08.000 Folks who understand the passion that we all have and share it.

01:19:12.000 And if you're thinking about it, you're watching at home and you're thinking, ah, this is going to hell.

01:19:15.000 We got to fix this problem.

01:19:16.000 Come join us.

01:19:17.000 Start rowing the oars with us.

01:19:18.000 There's lots to do.

01:19:19.000 We got a lot of Turning Point students that are graduating too.

01:19:21.000 So if you need some entry levels, let's do it.

01:19:23.000 It's not an accident.

01:19:24.000 I'm here.

01:19:25.000 I'm recruiting from Turning Point.

01:19:26.000 Yeah, I love it.

01:19:27.000 I love it.

01:19:28.000 Hey, final thought actually.

01:19:29.000 I lied.

01:19:31.000 Maha.

01:19:31.000 Do you have a word for Maha?

01:19:33.000 You're a health guy, such an important part of our coalition.

01:19:37.000 You know, I love Baja, every part about it.

01:19:39.000 The secretary is a fantastic boss at every level.

01:19:42.000 He's passionate.

01:19:43.000 He will not take no for an answer.

01:19:45.000 When he locks into things, he goes after it.

01:19:48.000 I think the changes to the dietary guidelines are so important because they reversed a hypocrisy that has afflicted our nation for decades.

01:19:56.000 And now we're asking all the hospitals in the country to sign a pledge to use those same guidelines in their food, all the schools to do the same.

01:20:03.000 And we are pushing as hard as possible to get lots of other problems that I think are making it hard.

01:20:09.000 In America, to raise healthy kids.

01:20:10.000 And I say that because moms will say frequently to me, Hey, listen, I'm, you know, my mom, I know she struggled with me raising me, but it's not like I'm having a problem with my kids.

01:20:18.000 They're sick.

01:20:19.000 They've got these issues that I just can't get ahead of.

01:20:21.000 And Maha fundamentally is about making it easy to be healthy.

01:20:25.000 And to answer the hard questions, you've got to be curious.

01:20:28.000 And I pledge to you, that's what Secretary Kennedy is more than anything else.

01:20:32.000 He's curious.

01:20:33.000 He's also courageous when he learns things and we see problems, we tell you about them immediately.

01:20:38.000 And we ought to be compassionate because there are a lot of folks who don't understand.

01:20:41.000 They're scared by what Maha's trying to do.

01:20:44.000 But I think it is fundamentally the most important thing we can do to improve the guy who takes my job next because we cannot afford to be twice as expensive in our healthcare system as any other country of the planet.

01:20:55.000 And we're twice as expensive because we're twice as sick.

01:20:57.000 And a lot of that's because we have, again, made it hard to be healthy in America.

01:21:01.000 Let's turn that around.

01:21:02.000 I know you got to go, Dr. Us.

01:21:04.000 It's been a pleasure.

01:21:05.000 Thank you again for your time.

01:21:07.000 It's been a great joy.

01:21:12.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 13, 2026

The Transgender-Palestine Extremism Axis

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript