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00:01:34.000Just to paint the broader landscape of news this morning, there was an explosive.
00:01:38.000Hearing involving a CIA whistleblower, a label the CIA itself is contesting, which I think is an interesting dynamic there about the reporting from the CIA and Fauci, Dr. Fauci's alleged involvement in shaping that reporting, whether it was a lab leak or whether it came out of the wet market and all of that whole story.
00:02:02.000Rand Paul is on the case as well as Senator Hawley, Senator Ron Johnson.
00:03:11.000We want to tell you about something that happened last night at the University of Washington.
00:03:16.000We have been doing a series at Turning Point USA of what we call pick up the mic events.
00:03:21.000These are prove me wrong style events that Charlie pioneered.
00:03:25.000And, you know, instead of doing, let's say, 20 or 30 large ones as Charlie did, we're doing dozens and dozens and dozens all over the country with different speakers like Chloe Cole, who, of course, has been on the show a number of times.
00:03:42.000Her whole life was turned upside down by bad advice from doctors.
00:03:48.000Coercion from medical professionals and psychologists, and she speaks out on them.
00:03:53.000So, this was a pick up the mic event in University of Washington in Seattle, and it turned into a big to do, as you might expect in the Pacific Northwest.
00:04:03.000We saw protests against Turning Point USA flyers scattered throughout campus.
00:04:09.000Well, and we want to highlight a very interesting thing about this.
00:04:12.000It's very symbolic of the modern left.
00:04:14.000So, we have it thrown up here, but if you can't see it, it says May 13th protest against Turning Point USA, and it's two crossed flags.
00:04:22.000And the crossed flags are a Palestine flag.
00:04:27.000Two issues that, if anything, are in conflict with each other, given some of Islam's cultural values.
00:04:35.000But they're actually totally united because, as we like to point out, all left wing causes actually come together for the great universal left wing cause of destroying civilization.
00:04:53.000So, of course, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, at least until they get what they want.
00:04:59.000Suppose if they got what they want ever, then they would eventually attack each other.
00:05:03.000But then it says on here, it continues.
00:05:05.000So they wanted, first they were going to disrupt, bring flags, drums, or anything to make noise, make the event impossible.
00:05:11.000They say, why protest Turning Point USA?
00:05:13.000This is what their flyer says Charlie Kirk was a right wing Nazi Trump supporter and public speaker who visited college campuses to spout hate speech, which is not real, and create viral clips.
00:05:25.000His organization, TPUSA, shares his fascist views against minorities.
00:05:31.000And they say, and they basically demand to disrupt and shut down this Chloe Cole event.
00:05:38.000They call her a transphobic grifter, which is one way to describe a person whose life was nearly destroyed by this insane cult.
00:07:11.000They're sadly more likely to die by suicide, by murder, by drug overdose, because this lifestyle is associated with things that lead to an early death.
00:07:21.000This is one of the reasons this cult is so dangerous and so harmful.
00:08:24.000The chapter, by the way, has released a statement, and I think it was solid.
00:08:29.000As many in the Seattle area have heard, a transgender University of Washington student was tragically murdered on Sunday night.
00:08:34.000The University of Washington chapter at Turning Point USA condemns this horrific act of violence in the strongest possible terms.
00:08:38.000Of course, they do, but it does seem disconnected.
00:08:41.000No one should ever be subjected to such senseless brutality.
00:08:43.000Our thoughts and condolences are with the victims' family and friends.
00:08:47.000In light of this tragedy, and by an overwhelming surge of violent threats directed at our chapter, threats that appear deliberately designed to falsely associate Our peaceful event with the murder.
00:08:55.000We have made the difficult decision to postpone our upcoming event with Chloe Cole.
00:09:12.000And I think that you're seeing something we talked about yesterday on the show with Miranda Devine that there is a rise in left wing violence directed at conservatives, especially Turning Point USA, campus conservatives, and this weird confluence of.
00:09:28.000The Antifa, Trans Tifa, and Palestine, pro Palestine aligned groups coming together to really threaten conservatives.
00:10:08.000You've got fentanyl, which, again, the Chinese keep saying, oh, we deny knowledge of this, but they are absolutely the country that is sending the precursors for fentanyl, and they could stop it.
00:10:21.000So that's going to expect that to be a huge point of contention.
00:10:31.000She was not there, but expect dinner and things like that to come.
00:10:34.000Yeah, there's the, but they did roll out the red carpet.
00:10:37.000There was, you know, people waving flags, much to do, a lot of pageantry.
00:10:42.000And so I find this whole backdrop with President Trump very fascinating because President Trump is a president that has defied the customs and norms and traditions of previous presidents.
00:10:52.000It's not a flaw of the system, it's not a bug.
00:10:56.000Defying the experts is one of the things that President Trump does best.
00:11:00.000Sometimes, He flies by the seat of the pants, trusts his instincts.
00:11:04.000And depending on who you are, it's either genius or it's unnerving and unsettling.
00:11:10.000But even with President Trump, with something this choreographed, this big, he's sort of still bound by the system, by these hundreds of years of precedent, of diplomacy that has existed between countries.
00:11:23.000And so if he is going to improvise, it's kind of moment by moment.
00:11:29.000And it's within a larger structure where you have assigned seats, you have.
00:11:33.000Pageantry, you have people you have to shake hands, you have this red carpet visit.
00:11:37.000So there's much, much to pay attention to here in this visit.
00:11:41.000But I want to play this B role as well, comparing and contrasting President Trump's arrival in China with Obama, which this was in September 2016.
00:11:53.000Obama arrived in Hangzhou, China, for the G20 summit.
00:11:57.000And you can really see the difference of the President Trump greeting versus the Obama greeting, where there really wasn't much to do.
00:12:05.000Now, maybe President Xi is just playing the individual personalities of the leaders, right?
00:12:10.000Obama, You know, didn't need such pageantry, perhaps, is what she was expecting.
00:12:16.000But also, I think it underscores the larger stakes of the game now, right?
00:12:21.000Because I think it's safe to say, Blake, that never before in American Chinese sort of diplomatic history have the stakes been so high.
00:12:30.000Has China been viewed as such a rival and on a somewhat equal footing?
00:12:35.000They're not equal, but it's closer to equal with the U.S. Never before has there been such a challenge to our superpower leadership of the world.
00:12:44.000But it also shows that China really wants to get something out of this as well.
00:13:19.000Well, so many different things go into that.
00:13:21.000First, it is a way for President Trump to signal look, all of the biggest companies in the world, the most profitable ones, are still in the US.
00:13:30.000We have this huge amount of power, but there's also this dimension a lot of those CEOs want to tag along.
00:13:37.000We know the president gets influenced by the people that he's talking to, that he hangs around with, and these guys, a lot of them do want more normalization with China.
00:13:48.000He Wants to be able to send all his chips to China.
00:13:52.000He flew on Air Force One with President Trump.
00:13:54.000So Jensen and Elon both were on Air Force One.
00:13:59.000I'll be honest, I think I'm a little bit worried about it just in the sense that we know how did China manage to rocket so up and hoover up all of our manufacturing in the first place?
00:14:11.000They told them in the 90s and early 2000s if we send our factories to China, if we send our business to China, if we just normalize all of our economic stuff with them.
00:14:23.000We really won't need to worry about communist China because all the communism and authoritarianism will go away.
00:14:28.000And I'm worried we're seeing a replay of that on the chips question, where there are people who have a very strong reason to believe this because you can make a ton of money selling chips to China who are saying, oh, well, actually, if we give China our chips, we're already ahead.
00:15:23.000The strategy is that you make them addicted to our chips so that they don't continue pushing so much resource into Huawei, for example, advancing their own chip technology.
00:15:36.000In practice, I don't know that it functionally matters that much.
00:15:39.000China has shown great proclivities and abilities in the AI space already, even if they are using old chips.
00:15:46.000But nevertheless, we do maintain an advantage there.
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00:17:11.000Brandon Gill, you are a representative from Texas, I believe 26, and you're also on the House Oversight Committee, and you have a Big new task force out, sir, to confront Medicaid fraud.
00:17:22.000We had Luke Rosiak on the show from the Daily Wire exposing that bombshell reporting.
00:17:27.000It seems like you guys are taking the ball and running.
00:17:31.000Well, this is a new task force that Chairman Comer created that I'm going to chair called the Task Force on Defending Constitutional Rights and Exposing Institutional Abuse.
00:17:40.000And we've got a broad mandate to look at all kinds of areas where the American people's rights are being violated, whether that is NGOs that are funneling tax dollars to left wing.
00:17:52.000The left wing ecosystem, or entities that are defrauding Medicaid, or businesses that are still utilizing DEI as part of discriminatory hiring practices, or universities doing the same.
00:18:06.000But to begin this task force, we're launching officially an investigation into this Ohio Medicaid fraud scandal, and the reporting from the Daily Wire has been fantastic on this.
00:18:18.000This is a scandal that we believe to be at least about a billion dollars.
00:18:22.000Right now, where you've got doctors who are signing off on Medicaid waiver forms that are allowing people to engage in home health, is what it's called.
00:18:32.000And that includes explicitly companionship and conversation.
00:18:38.000So these are people who you don't have to be a doctor to do this.
00:18:42.000You don't have to prove that the services are being provided.
00:18:44.000There's no cap on the spend for this program.
00:18:47.000And you've got a whole variety of Shell LLCs that have been created over the past several years that are acting as Intermediaries to facilitate these, what we believed many to be fraudulent payments.
00:18:59.000So that's going to be our first order of business.
00:19:01.000We announced last night that we sent out letters asking for information, communications, and documents from several of these LLCs, as well as the Ohio Medicaid program and the Bureau of Program Integrity, because at the end of the day, we just want to know where our tax dollars are going.
00:19:30.000Congressman, it strikes me like what you really want to bring out here.
00:19:33.000There's the fraud element, but it's the way it fits into what I think a lot of people see as the bigger picture of America, an idiom Charlie liked.
00:19:42.000It's like America's a giant pile of money the entire world has realized it can just take, or it's like a giant pile of molasses and there's all these flies on it.
00:19:51.000Because you have fraudulent businesses, whether it's in Medicaid or daycares or whatever, but then that then ties into, well, you have fraud in the immigration system, you have fraud in H1Bs and hiring, you have fraud in.
00:20:06.000It's like it's a giant apparatus where we have universal basic income, if you will, as long as you're not an ordinary American who was born here and speaks English.
00:20:17.000We have universal basic English if you're from a clannish group that's able to not talk to police that operates outside the system and you have Omerta and you just take whatever you can and the Democrats will help you.
00:20:30.000It's like it's reparations combined with.
00:20:35.000It's like we have USAID is still continuing, but it's for people in this country.
00:20:39.000And I guess what I would hope is you guys don't just find the fraud, but you really expose how this system has been created and sustains itself.
00:21:07.000And with this task force, what I'd like to do is where applicable, where the facts merit doing so, I think we want to issue criminal referrals to the DOJ.
00:21:18.000And we're also going to put out policy recommendations for the broader Republican conference to take up so that we can pass legislation that will make sure this doesn't happen again.
00:21:50.000We have the power to subpoena documents and information, which we've already done here.
00:21:54.000We have more subpoenas that are going out or requests for information that are going out in the next couple days.
00:22:00.000And we're going to use every power at our disposal to go after this fraud because ultimately the American people are so sick of this stuff.
00:22:09.000You know, we've seen it for a long time.
00:22:13.000Uncovered far more than anybody was aware of or had any idea was happening.
00:22:18.000You know, the reason that we know about this Medicaid fraud, by the way, is because Doge published Medicaid receipts about a year ago and it allowed reporters and other people to go through this data.
00:22:29.000So now we're taking that and we're acting on it.
00:22:31.000Congressman, are you guys going to be using AI tools to sort of like, you know, detect patterns that are suspicious?
00:22:51.000That's something that we're going to take a look at.
00:22:52.000I think anything, if you look at the amount of data here, and I think that's one of the things that seems daunting at first, is that there's an enormous amount of documents to go through.
00:23:02.000And I think AI could certainly be a part of helping streamline that process.
00:23:08.000And there may be processes that we can put in place going forward that would help catch this on the front end as opposed to doing investigations on the back end.
00:23:19.000I was going to say, you've got multiple problems here with incentive misalignment, states that are doling out federal money that they aren't really on the hook for.
00:23:29.000And they're incentivized to give out essentially as much money as they possibly can.
00:23:35.000And why I wanted to draw attention to this for our audience, Congressman, is I want to read this quote from Chairman Comer because I think it's what sets this task force apart.
00:23:46.000I think you're exactly the right person to be running it.
00:23:49.000I have a lot of hope for this task force because of your leadership.
00:23:53.000But this is his quote It says, under his leadership, I'm reading from Fox News, we will continue to expose radical ideologies being pushed on Americans and fight to safeguard our freedom.
00:24:03.000That we've enjoyed as a nation for 250 years.
00:24:06.000And it says Gill's task force will have a broad purview, including investigating institutions that uphold diversity, equity, and inclusion, individuals who misuse immigration and social welfare programs, and efforts by foreign actors and dark money groups to censor American speech.
00:24:21.000That quote from Comer, where he says, expose the ideologies being pushed on Americans, is so critical because, yes, there's structural issues, there's incentive issues, but underlying all of this, Is this dogged drive to force down DEI to this reparations for brown people that are foreigners, have no business being in this country?
00:24:44.000It's like USAID for people living in the country or something.
00:24:48.000This reparations, this UBI push, the clear waivers, these waiver systems that essentially don't allow proper oversight and accountability of these systems.
00:24:58.000You're going after root causes here, which is what I believe makes this a very, very powerful potential of this task force.
00:25:06.000And so maybe explain the core element there.
00:25:09.000Well, you know, it's not just the Medicaid fraud that we're going to be going after.
00:25:13.000I'll give you another example of something that we're working on now, and we'll have more information as we continue to do our work on it.
00:25:21.000But we're going to be going after DEI in civil society as well, whether it is colleges and universities that refuse to admit somebody because they were born with white skin, or businesses who refuse to hire somebody because they're a white male, or for any other racial characteristic, by the way.
00:25:40.000And these are This is activity that is clearly illegal right now, but I think it's still happening.
00:25:45.000You know, these are policies that have been so ingrained into universities and into businesses that it's not something that's easy to turn off overnight.
00:25:54.000And the best way to ensure that the law is being followed, the law that the president was elected to put forth, is to expose this, to investigate businesses or colleges or other entities that are engaging in these types of discriminatory practices, put them under oath, do an investigation, get documents, get Communications from them, and then we can make criminal referrals where necessary.
00:26:17.000But the root cause of that is a rotten, evil, discriminatory ideology that's done, of course, as we all know, under the guise of diversity and inclusion.
00:26:27.000And what it's tended to mean is that there's a large portion of people in the United States, mainly white people or people who have races that the left doesn't favor, who are kind of passed over for promotions, for hiring, for college admissions.
00:26:44.000And that's wrong, and that's what we're going to end.
00:27:30.000We wanted to touch on a hearing that's happening on Capitol Hill right now, led by Chairman Rand Paul, and it is about the origins of COVID.
00:28:01.000The allegations from this whistleblower are that Dr. Anthony Fauci himself put his thumb on the scales to make sure that the assessment from the intel community was not clear and directive about it being a lab leak.
00:28:15.000He instead made sure it was, the report said it was neutral, that we couldn't know, even though the vast majority of CIA analysts did believe it was a lab leak, according to this gentleman.
00:28:26.000So let's just play a couple of clips here.
00:28:49.000Very early, as early as 2020, there were agencies within the IC circulating papers that said that all the conditions were present for a lab leak.
00:29:00.000He continues, specifically mentioning Dr. Fauci's role, SOT 6.
00:29:06.000Dr. Fauci's role in the cover up was intentional.
00:29:09.000Dr. Fauci influenced the analytical process and findings by leveraging his position to ensure the IC consulted with a conflicted list of curated subject matter experts, public health officials, and scientists.
00:29:26.000This included some of the authors of the paper, The Proximal Origin of SARS CoV 2, and other public health experts who have been in his orbit for the last 20 plus years.
00:29:37.000So, Dr. Fauci's name is getting dropped directly in this hearing, and he continued on.
00:29:43.000I mean, this was a real bombshell of a hearing.
00:30:09.000It's when you look at When you look at what has already been publicly released about Dr. Fauci, and then what you're seeing under the curtain at the IC, where you realize, okay, there is a narrative that was being generated.
00:30:23.000He had tried to sort of keep his hands clear of, I didn't have anything to do with the proximal origin of SARS CoV 2.
00:30:29.000But in the meantime, he's pushing those authors and individuals that have been in his orbit into the IC as experts.
00:30:37.000So he's directly naming Dr. Anthony Fauci and explaining the way he would do it, where he wouldn't.
00:30:44.000Give direction that was necessarily you have to do X, Y, and Z, but he was absolutely weighing in, providing recommendations of which scientists he preferred to be involved in the origin reports of SARS CoV 2.
00:31:02.000And then there is this whole issue of the CIA, right?
00:31:05.000So the CIA issued a statement, this statement about this whistleblower.
00:31:10.000This statement happened during the committee hearing.
00:31:14.000Ron Johnson, who we've had on the show a number of times, ends up reacting to it and just went off.
00:31:20.000And you could see that he was actually had a visceral response, anger to this statement made by the CIA SOP 5.
00:31:29.000Just received this from Liz Lyon, the CIA Director of Public Affairs.
00:31:33.000Committee acted in bad faith by subpoenaing an agency officer for testimony today without notifying CIA.
00:31:39.000Despite having already obtained closed-door testimony from the individual previously, the witness testifying today is not appearing as a whistleblower in pursuit of the truth, but instead in response to the subpoena issued by Chairman Paul.
00:31:50.000This proceeding amounts to nothing more than a dishonest political theater masquerading as a congressional hearing.
00:31:54.000As the CIA has already assessed, COVID-19 most likely originated from the lab leak and efforts to undermine that conclusion are disingenuous.
00:32:02.000I am calling on CIA Director Radcliffe and this person to apologize to Chairman Paul and this committee.
00:32:12.000I have years and years and years of built-up frustration of agencies like the CIA, Department of Justice, the FBI, HHS snubbing our oversight.
00:32:26.000Yeah, Ron Johnson does have years of built up frustration.
00:32:29.000And this is something we've seen, especially from the IC and snubbing oversight, constitutional oversight.
00:32:38.000It's so important to get to the bottom of this because COVID is becoming, everything about that period is becoming the great attempt to memory hole every single thing about it.
00:32:47.000They try to memory hole Floyd-a-Palooza.
00:32:49.000We see people going around saying, oh, when did we ever start doing all this insane racial propaganda?
00:32:55.000And they do it with COVID, where they'll say, Oh, we didn't enforce massive lockdowns on anyone.
00:33:17.000They want to obscure everything that would reveal that they colluded to push a narrative about COVID that they knew they couldn't back up, but that they knew would keep them out of trouble.
00:34:18.000And it was one of the most despicable things any institution has done.
00:34:22.000And I mean, candidly, if this does not end in some sort of accountability for Dr. Anthony Fauci, then I don't think that the American people are going to get justice.
00:34:48.000We need all the people that were involved in this, all the players to admit the truth, to come clean, stop playing defense, stop sending nasty grams to Senator Ron Johnson and Senator Rand Paul, who have been leading and out front on this.
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00:38:15.000You probably got more than that, actually.
00:38:16.000But you are a really accomplished doctor.
00:38:20.000I mean, I remember when we first had you on, we read your bio and it was like, A mile long.
00:38:24.000You're one of the most published doctors around.
00:38:27.000And, you know, you were so instrumental, I think, in changing the way the country thought about COVID, the way it thought about Dr. Fauci, the way it thought about our response to it, medical freedom.
00:38:42.000And so it's really great to have you here.
00:38:44.000And, you know, I want to start where we kind of ended last hour.
00:38:48.000I know you were in the green room watching some of our reporting on it and our coverage of it.
00:39:08.000When you see those clips and you see that there was a concerted effort within the intel communities to obscure, obfuscate the origin of COVID 19, that it wasn't a lab leak, it was neutral or inconclusive when it was so clearly Wuhan, the lab at Wuhan.
00:39:56.000Dasik was shuttling the plans from Barrick over to Xingling Li in Wuhan.
00:40:00.000Well, explain that too, by the way, because we used to do, Barrick used to do that in the United States at UNC, that this gain of function research was done domestically.
00:40:10.000I believe during the Obama years, right, there was a moratorium put on that type of research because this has widely been, and for a long time, been viewed as controversial science because there has been such a large number of lab leaks and accidents throughout the years.
00:41:33.000Because to the layman, you're going, why on earth would you create a virus that could cause a mass pandemic, a global pandemic in the first place?
00:42:30.000So it's a financial incentive, though, basically.
00:42:33.000And we were talking in the break, Doctor, about this hantavirus outbreak that we've seen on this cruise ship and how this seems to be, you know, a lot of people, every time a new story comes out about some virus, everybody gets PTSD of COVID and we instantly all go, oh no, they're doing it again.
00:42:52.000So, you know, the hantavirus, you were telling me there's even, there's already Moderna, I believe you said it was Moderna, is already working on a vaccine for that.
00:43:01.000So let's just separate fact from fiction.
00:43:04.000What are you seeing with this hantavirus outbreak on this cruise ship?
00:43:11.000Hantavirus is a virus that is serious.
00:43:15.000It causes a pulmonary and renal syndrome that can be fatal.
00:43:17.000Most of the fatalities, this 40% mortality rate, come from rural villages down in Argentina.
00:43:24.000I mean, there are a lot of deaths that occur.
00:43:26.000People never even get to the hospital.
00:43:27.000So I think with modern hospital care, in fact, in the current outbreak, the hospital is saving patients.
00:43:33.000The important point is it spreads from mice or rats through the urine and feces into the dust in the air, and people breathe it into the lungs.
00:43:42.000No one's ever coughed out or sneezed out hantavirus from a human to a human.
00:44:20.000The Infectious Disease Society of America, two years later, publishes a paper by Toledo that clarifies it and says, no, this is not spread human to human.
00:44:28.000Well, what's going on with this outbreak?
00:44:30.000The WHO has immediately assumed there's no rodents on the boat.
00:44:33.000Let me tell you, this is an older ship.
00:45:39.000And I think now this assumption, That each person is super contagious.
00:45:44.000They have people locked down in Nebraska in a biosecurity center in the Netherlands.
00:45:49.000They've told some healthcare workers because they didn't wear hazmat suits and they came in peripheral contact with someone that they have to go six weeks of quarantine themselves.
00:46:15.000So, play some of this B roll from this ship, this Hantavirus cruise ship, because you're observing things that I don't think the normal person would observe when you're looking at this.
00:46:26.000You're seeing, yeah, see, here you go.
00:46:31.000And basically, you see all these guys in hazmat suits walking around because, again, they're sort of the assumption that this is human to human contact or something.
00:46:42.000What are you observing when you see these images, Doctor?
00:46:45.000Well, first off, Respiratory viruses, which this is not, don't transmit in the open ocean air.
00:46:54.000You can't get a virus in a sea breeze.
00:46:57.000So, the safest place for the people to be the entire time would have been on the ship deck.
00:47:02.000Instead, when the WHO got involved in Cape Verde on May 2nd, they locked people underneath.
00:47:08.000And you're going to see some images now where the people are in their cabins with no hazmat suits and they look desperate.
00:47:14.000They go outside, they put on these personal protective gowns and caps and gloves and everything.
00:48:35.000Well, it takes about a week to ascertain where the rodents are, to sample the droppings in the urine.
00:48:43.000And they did find rodents on his property, his outbuildings.
00:48:45.000They even found some of this actually in his vehicles.
00:48:48.000She dies of it, this really brutal pulmonary renal syndrome.
00:48:53.000And the interpretation is he has such severe dementia, he ultimately dies of dehydration, heart attack.
00:48:58.000By the way, one of the dogs died as well, not of hantovirus, but probably of dehydration.
00:49:04.000But It takes at least a week of investigation.
00:49:07.000Do you know what the WHO did with this ship, the MV Hondius, in Cape Verde after they got the people off?
00:49:13.000They kind of looked around and they said, Well, we don't see any rats here.
00:49:17.000They didn't do any inspections, no samples.
00:49:20.000They let the crew, 30 crew, and some healthcare workers get back on the ship and then sail for Rotterdam without any biosecurity precautions.
00:49:31.000So, why are Americans locked down in In Omaha, Nebraska, in a contagion center, and why are the crew sailing off to Rotterdam on the ship?
00:49:43.000Yeah, so you're saying that there could be some of these crew members that end up getting exposed to the rat droppings or whatever in the ventilation system.
00:49:51.000There could be more crew members that come down with antivirus.
00:51:31.000And then to make matters worse, that it's wildly contagious outside hazmat suits, biosecurity centers, people away from their families, and for very long periods of time.
00:51:42.000And by the way, the latency phase on this is probably grossly overestimated.
00:51:47.000It's been said, oh, you can have the virus for eight weeks before it's expressed.
00:51:51.000I think that's overestimated because in these studies, largely from South America and the desert southwest, we never know when the exposure to the rodent is.
00:51:58.000If someone's in the house, And the rodents are still back behind the walls, you're continually exposed.
00:52:03.000What we saw is the ship takes off on April 1st, everybody's well.
00:52:08.000The first man gets sick by April 6th, and he's dead by April 11th.
00:52:13.000But it could be possible that he brought the hantavirus with him.
00:52:33.000So that's the reason why rodent control is key.
00:52:36.000I think this whole thing is probably going to be back to rodent spread, not human to human.
00:52:42.000I don't think people are wildly contagious.
00:52:44.000And you can see experts going out there saying, you know, we see this happening and an air of precaution, but no one is able to identify clear human to human spread.
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00:56:10.000And you have taken front and center in so much of what the administration is doing with this fraud task force.
00:56:17.000When you entered this job, did you know that this was going to be such a huge part of what you did?
00:56:23.000You know, we made OKRs, objectives and key results.
00:56:26.000Folks who work in the technology space, they'll recognize that's a tactic that's used with large organizations to sort of make sure everyone knows where you're headed.
00:56:33.000Crushing fraud, waste, and abuse is one of them.
00:57:11.000Let me walk you through an example, because once you understand that, you realize that we're not actually a team going after this.
00:57:18.000This is why what the president did was so important when he announced a task force, a White House anti fraud task force that the vice president is leading, that's going to be able to get an all of government approach.
00:57:28.000Because if you don't get the entire federal government on board, You know, the Office Inspector General, the FBI, Department of Justice, us at Medicare, we have the numbers.
00:58:02.000The number one job in the whole state of New York.
00:58:05.000The number one job is being a personal care service helper, which means you're carrying the groceries upstairs, you're helping with shopping, you're often the son of the person you're helping.
00:58:40.000And here's the part that a lot of folks don't realize might happen, and it's just starting now.
00:58:44.000We're trying to understand it a bit more.
00:58:46.000Unions are getting involved and unionizing these people.
00:58:49.000We're seeing similar things happen in California, where I was just coming from.
00:58:53.000So, you actually have a massive infrastructure that begins to resemble political patronage.
00:58:59.000And so, when you have that kind of advantage, you're now having the federal government funding a jobs program that states and unions that support one political party in general are taking, they're public unions.
00:59:11.000I'm not talking about private unions, are taking advantage of.
00:59:14.000So, I think we have a big battle in front of us.
00:59:17.000We've already deferred about $350 million from Minnesota because their past receipts, what they pay us, what they show us they paid, don't add up in our mind.
00:59:30.000And again, Medicaid, which is for poorer people, folks who are vulnerable, the state pays the bill and then we reimburse them as opposed to Medicare, which is for older folks where we just pay the bill to get go.
00:59:42.000And we have a lot more control over Medicare.
00:59:44.000That's why things like hospice fraud are so maddening to me because hospice fraud happens when states don't police licenses and the federal government's not paying attention.
00:59:53.000And the prior administration actively ignored warning signs that there were problems.
00:59:58.000And in California, the Auditor General of the state of California four years ago said, We have a fraud problem.
01:00:20.000First, COVID itself taught a lot of people, especially foreigners, Who didn't understand America and foreign governments, they could steal from the federal government and probably not get caught.
01:00:30.000Just the whole way we conducted our business of government during COVID.
01:00:34.000But then add to that, the Biden administration's willful disregard for fraud they knew was happening.
01:00:39.000People in my agency, even folks who are not maybe politically aligned, who have been there for years and are career employees, they'll acknowledge, listen, they came to government to work and fix stuff.
01:00:50.000They're not just sitting there trying to collect a paycheck.
01:00:58.000I mean, these people can get paid twice as much money outside the government.
01:01:03.000So if they're going to come in, they want to do their job.
01:01:05.000And they were told, stand down, don't do that.
01:01:07.000Instead, just focus on enrolling new people.
01:01:09.000And the more we realize the implications of that, that you think you're doing good by bringing people onto these programs that don't have the right reasons to be on those programs, you actually hurt the people who deserve to be on there.
01:01:21.000So let me finish with hospice real quick in California.
01:01:23.000One third of all hospices in the entire country, in the whole country, are in Los Angeles.
01:01:29.000Not California, just the city of Los Angeles.
01:01:31.000And so you begin to appreciate that half of these folks are probably fraudulent.
01:02:12.000Could you get in the way of fixing an integrity issue in something as precious as hospice?
01:02:18.000It's because you actually don't want to fix it.
01:02:21.000There's something so, I think, my favorite preposterous aspect of the California hospice fraud thing specifically, the California AG specifically attacked you when you did your viral video in Los Angeles.
01:02:34.000Fraudulent Owens linked to gangs, Armenian gangs specifically, in many cases.
01:02:37.000And Banta, I'm trying to find the quote here, and he said basically that this was a reckless and false allegation.
01:02:44.000And then, literally, last August, he'd been bragging about how there was an epidemic of fraud, of hospice fraud specifically in California, and he was fighting it.
01:02:51.000And they just turn around and they're threatening to sue you for pointing out how bad it is.
01:02:56.000Oh, they're not threatening to sue me.
01:04:11.000We're giving you the blessings of being in America.
01:04:14.000You rob from our most vulnerable people, convert it to gold so egregiously so you can get out of the country because you know you'll get caught.
01:05:25.000How much are we losing to fraud generally, these foreign gangs just basically looting America?
01:05:31.000We believe Medicare and Medicaid lose $100 billion a year.
01:05:35.000To put it in perspective that folks can process, if you're young, as many of your listeners are, and you think you're going to retire on Medicare, if we could take the fraud out of the system, we would double the life expectancy of the Medicare Trust Fund.
01:05:47.000In other words, your Medicare would last twice as long.
01:05:49.000So if you're worried about Medicare being strong enough to take care of you after you've worked a long life, Help us with the fraud effort.
01:05:55.000If you have anyone that you know that you think is defrauding us, call this podcast.
01:06:00.000Or if you've got a loved one who's sharing their beneficiary number, their Medicare number with anybody else, stop them because that's like a credit card.
01:06:06.000Foreign countries take that card, they weaponize it, they steal from us.
01:06:15.000This guy is a serious operator who is addressing one of the most critical needs in our federal government, and that's driving out, rooting out waste, fraud, and abuse in our Medicare and Medicaid systems.
01:06:26.000And man, it has been one of the central.
01:06:29.000Storylines, even so much so that you have JD Vance singing your praises, specifically naming you for the work that you're doing on this.
01:06:37.000I actually had the honor of being the one interviewing him in this moment.
01:06:41.000Who's been amazing on this is Dr. Oz, Mehmet Oz, who runs the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, because so much of the fraud in our system is people who are defrauding Medicare and Medicaid.
01:06:51.000Dr. Oz, working with some of the people in our Department of Justice, found is that in Southern California, you had all these people who were engaged in massive fraud against the Medicare system.
01:07:02.000You had just tons and tons of people getting rich off fraud.
01:07:06.000And so we had our sort of our weekly fraud check-in call two weeks ago.
01:07:11.000And Dr. Oz called in, but he's like, Hey, I gotta go because I'm about to hop on the bus and we're gonna go arrest a bunch of fraudsters in Los Angeles.
01:07:19.000I was like, That's exactly what I want you to do.
01:07:30.000There are apparently quite a few hospices around here 42 within a four block radius.
01:07:36.000And these guys stole 16 million dollars.
01:07:39.000What we have learned is there's roughly Three and a half billion dollars of fraud taking place here in Los Angeles in hospice and home care.
01:07:53.000This is the fact that it has gone on this long without us realizing.
01:07:57.000I mean, we knew we'd always see Elon would say, like, there's all this fraud, and we'd be like, okay, okay.
01:08:02.000And you people have talked about you go around area like neighborhoods of cities and you say, you see these buildings, there's never activity around them, there's constant, there's all these signs for businesses, and they're just sort of vacant.
01:08:18.000It's a business that's getting millions of dollars.
01:08:20.000And then they talk to locals and they say, I've never seen any person set foot here.
01:08:24.000By the way, I want to compliment the vice president because the president obviously anointed him to lead the White House anti fraud task force, but he's been a spectacular hands on leader.
01:08:34.000We campaigned together, by the way, in 2022.
01:08:36.000And actually, Charlie came and visited, and Turning Point was very supportive in both of our efforts.
01:09:00.000But even if you want to fix it in government, if I'm doing the accounting work and telling you, you know, hey, these guys are taking five times more money than anybody else around, or there's 42 of these facilities, you know, working within a four block radius, which is impossible.
01:09:13.000Why do you need 42 hospices in four blocks?
01:09:15.000You know, they would normally naturally be dispersed.
01:09:17.000You also have to be able to get the FBI to pay attention.
01:09:20.000And you have to get the Office of Inspector General.
01:09:23.000They're guys who are like the beat cops going out there and catching a lot of these guys and getting the clues.
01:09:27.000You need the Department of Justice to focus.
01:09:29.000You need to have accounting and banking support.
01:09:32.000Because remember, what you really appreciate is the small level guys, just like the drug business, they make small amounts of money, a million here, a million there.
01:09:39.000Then it aggregates up through money laundering and other ways of obfuscating where the cash is headed to these large criminal syndicates.
01:09:47.000And these syndicates, they're dangerous, they'll scare you.
01:11:44.000So we have a, we announced a major fraud center, and this is all technology based without doing anything else but looking with AI at where the numbers don't work.
01:11:55.000You used to build this much, now you're building way up, and you're much higher than anyone around you, or you're not the right place.
01:12:00.000Lack of oversight, because you talk about the states.
01:12:02.000We had Luke Rosiak on the show, who was the Daily Wire, did that Medicaid millionaire story that came out.
01:12:09.000So, but one of these issues, you talk about it's not just a blue state issue, this is Ohio, Governor DeWine.
01:12:14.000They intentionally rolled back some of the accountability and oversight, these waiver programs.
01:12:19.000What are you going to do about that to hold the states accountable?
01:12:21.000It's a brilliant question because when you really get down to it, you have people who are not breaking the law, they're just breaking the moral code.
01:12:31.000Like all great people, we will take care of our most vulnerable.
01:12:34.000Hubert Humphrey, who was a Democrat, but this is back in the 60s, said it was the moral test of government to take care of those at the dawn of life, our children.
01:12:43.000We cover 53% of all kids born in America.
01:12:48.000Take care of those at the twilight of life, our seniors, and take care of those living in the shadows, people on drugs, people who just can't get out of their own way.
01:12:55.000So, our job is to take care of our fellow man when they struggle.
01:12:58.000When you allow people to pilfer these entities and take advantage of our most vulnerable, we're abdicating our responsibility.
01:13:24.000And I'll tell you, the vice president, we've had significant discussions around this.
01:13:28.000Colin, the team, Andrew Ferguson, that whole team around him that he's brought in, is getting everyone working together.
01:13:34.000When you bring all the fingers together, you make a fist.
01:13:36.000And we're going to pound hard until we clean up.
01:13:39.000But couldn't you change regulations if you're going to get these grants or these reimbursements that you have to enforce certain things or get rid of these waiver programs?
01:14:39.000Well, so you talked about why this was allowed to continue.
01:14:44.000I think this is a deep ideological sickness within the left.
01:14:48.000I think that they see it as either a form of reparations or political patronage, like you said, that they're paying off their voting constituents.
01:14:55.000And these are states, New York, California, that are losing jobs, that are losing productive class citizenry to red states.
01:15:03.000This is a way to backfill the tax base.
01:15:05.000This is a way to keep people happy, fed.
01:15:12.000Like the white man or the capitalist or whatever their boogeyman is, have pilfered from them, so they're going to pilfer and make sure that the immigrant class, the black and brown class, is compensated fairly.
01:15:26.000I don't think they want to see this stuff.
01:15:28.000I genuinely think they want to turn a blind eye to it because they know it's happening and they want it to happen.
01:15:36.000Explain just the ideology that you think, because you're coming into this agency and working with the states, you're seeing it, what's driving them.
01:15:45.000I think after Obamacare, when the percentage of the federal government's contribution to the state government went up, people began to figure out they might be able to game this.
01:15:55.000Now, everyone sort of realized there was a risk here, but is there a war in the patriarchy?
01:16:00.000That's an obviously issue we can talk about quite a bit.
01:16:03.000But within this, I don't have to assess motivation, I can just assess action.
01:16:08.000What you are doing is actively destroying our country.
01:16:11.000And you're destroying programs that I personally have worked in my whole life and I love.
01:16:16.000Medicare is an incredibly effective crown jewel.
01:16:28.000There are no hungry old people in the streets dying of treatable illnesses.
01:16:32.000Younger people who have, again, fallen and can't get up on Medicaid, we have a beautiful program to help them.
01:16:37.000These programs work because we have a handshake agreement that we will trust each other.
01:16:41.000And I say that because if I'm starting to pay for things that your family should do for you, and then you didn't have to do that, you're cheating.
01:16:48.000If the person who's supposed to come to your house and carry the groceries upstairs never shows up, You're cheating.
01:16:53.000If that person doesn't have any credentials or right to do it or not supposed to be able to drive you to the doctor's office and they do that, you're cheating.
01:16:59.000All this happens in an unmonitored setting.
01:17:01.000So, the entire program of these non traditional services in Medicaid are built in a handshake, and trust is a flighting entity.
01:19:45.000When he locks into things, he goes after it.
01:19:48.000I think the changes to the dietary guidelines are so important because they reversed a hypocrisy that has afflicted our nation for decades.
01:19:56.000And now we're asking all the hospitals in the country to sign a pledge to use those same guidelines in their food, all the schools to do the same.
01:20:03.000And we are pushing as hard as possible to get lots of other problems that I think are making it hard.
01:20:10.000And I say that because moms will say frequently to me, Hey, listen, I'm, you know, my mom, I know she struggled with me raising me, but it's not like I'm having a problem with my kids.
01:20:33.000He's also courageous when he learns things and we see problems, we tell you about them immediately.
01:20:38.000And we ought to be compassionate because there are a lot of folks who don't understand.
01:20:41.000They're scared by what Maha's trying to do.
01:20:44.000But I think it is fundamentally the most important thing we can do to improve the guy who takes my job next because we cannot afford to be twice as expensive in our healthcare system as any other country of the planet.
01:20:55.000And we're twice as expensive because we're twice as sick.
01:20:57.000And a lot of that's because we have, again, made it hard to be healthy in America.