The Charlie Kirk Show - March 25, 2025


The Trump Admin Group Chat Leak: My Reaction


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A group chat that was started on a secure messaging application called Signal was leaked to the media, and the results have the media and the general public in an uproar. We read the entire group chat, and tell you exactly what happened.

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00:01:33.000 Yesterday there was some breaking news happening while we were on the show.
00:01:36.000 We decided not to cover it because we wanted to get all the facts.
00:01:40.000 There was a group chat that was formed over the last weekend.
00:01:44.000 And we're going to go through all of the facts related to this story and give you our analysis.
00:01:50.000 The analysis that has the media in an uproar.
00:01:52.000 So here are the facts.
00:01:54.000 As you know, over the weekend, President Donald Trump authorized a series of targeted military strikes against the Houthis.
00:02:01.000 The Houthis were firing upon U.S.
00:02:03.000 vessels. Now, we must be very clear that it is a quagmire on the southern tip of the Arabian Peninsula.
00:02:11.000 This is in Yemen.
00:02:13.000 The Houthis are in Yemen, which is on the western part of the southern tip of the Arabian Peninsula, right near Oman and Saudi Arabia.
00:02:21.000 Saudi Arabia, for years, has been very invested in this Houthi. 0.87
00:02:28.000 It's been disrupting global trade.
00:02:31.000 Many Americans do not even know that there's a country called Yemen, let alone that we should be involved in the Yemenese civil war.
00:02:37.000 President Donald Trump made a decision to authorize American military strikes.
00:02:42.000 Now, regardless of whether or not you agree or disagree with that, that's actually not the core element at play here.
00:02:48.000 Once this decision was well underway, there was a group chat that was started on a messaging application called Signal.
00:02:56.000 Now, I use Signal quite a lot, and I'm sure many of you do as well.
00:03:00.000 It's a secure messaging application where you're able to have messages that automatically delete after an hour, a day, a week, or a month.
00:03:12.000 In this group chat was Vice President JD Vance, Pete Hegseth, John Ratcliffe.
00:03:18.000 Susie Wiles, Stephen Miller, and many others.
00:03:21.000 Now, let's just begin by saying there were no non-government officials on these group chats.
00:03:26.000 That's a good first start.
00:03:28.000 There was not people that were not supposed to necessarily be informed of what is going on.
00:03:34.000 Well, until something got leaked.
00:03:37.000 So I'm going to read this entire group conversation and this group chat conversation, and I'm going to tell you exactly how on earth we have been led...
00:03:47.000 To have a window into these private discussions.
00:03:50.000 J.D. Vance writes at first, Pete Hegseth replies, VP.
00:04:14.000 I fully share your loathing of European freeloading.
00:04:18.000 It's all caps.
00:04:19.000 Pathetic. But Mike is correct.
00:04:22.000 We are the only ones on the planet, on our side of the ledger, who can do this.
00:04:27.000 Nobody else can come even close.
00:04:29.000 The question is timing.
00:04:31.000 I feel like now is a good time as any, given POTUS's directive to reopen shipping lanes.
00:04:37.000 And then we should go.
00:04:38.000 But POTUS still retains 24 hours of decision space.
00:04:43.000 Now, SM then replies, I believe this is Stephen Miller.
00:04:47.000 I could be incorrect.
00:04:48.000 I think it's Stephen Miller.
00:04:50.000 As I heard it, the president was clear.
00:04:53.000 Green light.
00:04:54.000 But we soon make clear to Egypt and Europe what we expect in return.
00:04:59.000 We also need to figure out how to enforce such a requirement.
00:05:03.000 E.g., if Europe doesn't remunerate, then what?
00:05:08.000 If the U.S. successfully restores freedom of navigation at great cost, there needs to be some further economic gain extracted in return.
00:05:16.000 Now, it's presumably Stephen Miller, but we don't know for sure.
00:05:21.000 Then, in the next iteration, we saw a couple emojis here from Michael Walsh saying the team in Mar-a-Lago did a great job as well.
00:05:32.000 Great work, all powerful start.
00:05:34.000 And the name of the group chat was the Hootie PC.
00:05:39.000 Now, how on earth did we learn about this?
00:05:44.000 On Signal, you are able to add people to your group chat.
00:05:49.000 On Signal, you're able to allow other people to come in.
00:05:52.000 You can invite them.
00:05:54.000 National Security Advisor Michael Waltz invited the editor-in-chief of the Trump-hating Atlantic magazine, Mr. Goldberg.
00:06:07.000 Into the group chat.
00:06:09.000 To go have a window into all of these private national security conversations.
00:06:15.000 Now before I go deeper into that element of this, I do want to make sure that we are clear about what we've just read.
00:06:24.000 What you've read is that both privately and publicly, there is symmetry with the national security attitudes that Our foreign policy leaders have.
00:06:39.000 That there is not a private loathing for the America First policy perspective that they ran on.
00:06:47.000 What J.D. Vance believes publicly, he also believes in privately.
00:06:53.000 What Pete Hegseth has been saying publicly, he also believes behind closed doors.
00:07:00.000 They aren't plotting how to make Elon Musk money.
00:07:03.000 We saw the Trump administration was telling the truth about what they care about.
00:07:09.000 This is exactly how I'd expect them to speak both publicly and privately.
00:07:14.000 They aren't plotting about how to get five points of approval without caring about the outcome.
00:07:18.000 It is raw.
00:07:20.000 It's authentic.
00:07:23.000 Now, how Jeffrey Goldberg got added is likely because Mike Waltz wanted to add the U.S. trade representative Jameson Greer and had the same initials.
00:07:35.000 Now allow me to editorialize for a second.
00:07:38.000 I know Mike Waltz.
00:07:40.000 We disagree on a lot of foreign policy stuff.
00:07:42.000 There's a serious question as to why Mike Waltz has Jeffrey Goldberg as a saved signal contact.
00:07:51.000 It's a very serious question.
00:07:53.000 He's the editor-in-chief of a Trump-hating magazine.
00:07:56.000 You are a national security advisor.
00:07:59.000 You've obviously been dialoguing.
00:08:01.000 Or talking to him previously.
00:08:03.000 Is Michael Walsh leaking to Jeffrey Goldberg?
00:08:06.000 I certainly hope not.
00:08:07.000 We know Jeffrey Goldberg has pushed some of the greatest anti-Trump BS in years past.
00:08:12.000 This is not a friendly or a remotely friendly reporter.
00:08:18.000 This is a major screw-up.
00:08:20.000 There is no other way to put it.
00:08:22.000 And the screw-up is allowing this guy to be put in and Michael Walsh doing that.
00:08:29.000 And by the way, when you have presidencies and administrations like this, you're going to have little hiccups and you're going to have speed bumps.
00:08:35.000 The best way is just to take responsibility, confront it head-on, and say, it was a glitch.
00:08:41.000 It shouldn't have happened.
00:08:42.000 It was a near-miss in the sense that it could have been way worse what Jeffrey Goldberg got his eyes on.
00:08:48.000 It could have been way worse what he got read into and was not supposed to be read into.
00:08:53.000 Now, some people are saying, oh, this was intentional that they let...
00:08:57.000 Jeffrey Goldberg in.
00:08:58.000 None of that is true.
00:08:59.000 Let's be honest.
00:09:01.000 That is a bunch of BS.
00:09:04.000 There are people inside and outside the White House calling for heads to roll over this.
00:09:09.000 This was not some sort of intentional, let's allow the head of the Trump-hating Atlantic magazine to have a window into our Signal group chat.
00:09:20.000 So situations like this happen throughout presidencies.
00:09:24.000 Where things are going a certain way and you have a little bit of a mix-up.
00:09:27.000 You have a little bit of a leak.
00:09:30.000 How you handle it is everything.
00:09:33.000 But there are some serious questions, though.
00:09:35.000 But you know who does not have to answer questions?
00:09:37.000 Pete Hegseth and JD Vance.
00:09:39.000 Because what Pete Hegseth and JD Vance were articulating in this group chat...
00:09:42.000 It was an America First policy perspective behind closed doors that when you are not seeing the conversations, they're still fighting for the country and saying, these Europeans are pathetic. 0.61
00:09:53.000 Could you imagine if we had a chat?
00:09:55.000 Do you know what a real scandal would be?
00:09:57.000 A real scandal would be if we had J.D. Vance and Pete Hegseth saying, yeah, we have to kind of save face with our base, but the Europeans are actually awesome, but let's pretend that we're tough on Europe.
00:10:09.000 Could you imagine?
00:10:11.000 That would be an actual scandal.
00:10:13.000 A real scandal would be our leaders saying one thing to voters and doing a completely different thing behind closed doors.
00:10:22.000 In reality, we just happen to see that behind closed doors they're doing everything they said they were going to do.
00:10:27.000 We never should have had that window into closed doors because you don't add the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic magazine to your group chats.
00:10:36.000 But thankfully, it wasn't as bad as it could have been.
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00:11:43.000 So I have one more thought that I want to go into a thought exercise regarding this situation.
00:11:49.000 I was not overly surprised by the elements of this story because we have a hyper online administration.
00:11:57.000 Pete Hegseth, J.D. Vance, they are on the younger of the continuum in the spectrum.
00:12:03.000 My generation, I'm 31. J.D. Vance is about 40. Pete Hegseth, I think, is late 40s.
00:12:09.000 We do a lot of our communication on Signal, on Telegram, on WhatsApp, and on group messages.
00:12:16.000 The team is moving very, very fast.
00:12:18.000 Now, in the future, these situations should be happening in SCIFs.
00:12:22.000 And it is the National Security Advisor's job to even rein in Cabinet officials and say, nope, we can't be having this conversation here.
00:12:31.000 Can't be doing this.
00:12:33.000 Let's go to a SCIF.
00:12:34.000 Let's go to a secure conference line.
00:12:36.000 However... Understand that a lot of government and a lot of corporate America and a lot of high-stakes decision-making is occurring in secured group chats.
00:12:46.000 The reason being, it's far more efficient to have a group chat with 20 people and they can chime in at the likelihood of their own timing, the own choosing, at their own convenience, than having a conference call where everyone has to be there at the same time and then almost nothing gets done.
00:13:07.000 Not defending the elements here, but conference calls are literally hell on earth.
00:13:12.000 It is where bureaucrats go to waste time. 1.00
00:13:15.000 A group chat is far more efficient.
00:13:17.000 You can have a very substantive back and forth and discussion on hopefully non-classified, non-military matters on a group chat than you can having a conference call.
00:13:30.000 Well, and what do you think?
00:13:31.000 And what do you think?
00:13:33.000 Now let's be serious.
00:13:35.000 How bad was this screw-up?
00:13:38.000 Well, we accidentally gave some details about bomb strikes on a terrorist group that we were publicly talking about doing.
00:13:44.000 This wasn't the operation to kill bin Laden.
00:13:46.000 It wasn't an invasion of Iran, which hopefully will never happen.
00:13:50.000 It was airstrikes on a militant group.
00:13:53.000 It's embarrassing.
00:13:54.000 It's embarrassing for Mike Waltz.
00:13:57.000 And President Trump says that he's learned his lesson and that he's a good man.
00:14:00.000 It's President Trump's call.
00:14:02.000 That's breaking news right here.
00:14:04.000 But embarrassing is very different from destructive.
00:14:06.000 Now let's compare that to some of the other flubs our D.C. military intelligence elite have cooked up.
00:14:13.000 What is worse?
00:14:14.000 Accidentally having a journalist in your Houthi strike chat?
00:14:18.000 Or pushing fake intelligence to justify invading Iraq?
00:14:22.000 By the way, you know who helped push that intelligence and argued for us to invade Iraq?
00:14:26.000 Jeffrey Goldberg, the reporter in this group chat.
00:14:29.000 What's worse?
00:14:30.000 A signal group chat or lying about making progress in Afghanistan while we spent over a trillion dollars to achieve absolutely nothing.
00:14:38.000 Then botching the evacuation so we lost billions in equipment and more than a dozen American lives.
00:14:45.000 What's worse, this chat or overthrowing the government of Libya, causing a decade-long civil war and humanitarian crisis?
00:14:53.000 Let's look beyond the defense issues.
00:14:55.000 What's worse?
00:14:57.000 This group chat or letting tens of millions of people over the border?
00:15:00.000 What's worse, this chat or Democrat mayors sheltering criminals and gangbangers?
00:15:06.000 If you are watching the mainstream media right now, you are being subjected to propaganda.
00:15:12.000 The people who led America into one gigantic disaster after another are trying to convince you that your relatively mild embarrassment is the worst scandal ever.
00:15:25.000 And let's also reiterate, the group chat itself, despite the fact that Jeffrey Goldberg got invited, actually showed a highly competent dialogue amongst people that weighed all the options related to a military strike.
00:15:39.000 They are going about the use of American force with prudence, with wisdom, with humility, with sobriety, not with a lustful zeal for blood.
00:15:54.000 And conquest in perfect alignment with their public commentary.
00:15:59.000 The way that J.D. Vance and Pete Hegseth talked about the use of American force should give you confidence that we are not going to go to a thermonuclear war with Russia.
00:16:09.000 Should give you confidence that they go about the use of American missiles and American intervention with a serious degree of weight.
00:16:18.000 That it is not something that is thrown around like a frisbee.
00:16:21.000 It's not like George W. Bush who wakes up another day and wants to invade another sovereign nation.
00:16:25.000 If John Bolton would have been on this group chat, he would have said, this is a waste of time.
00:16:29.000 We should have Marines invade Yemen. 1.00
00:16:32.000 Instead, through a collaborative discussion, we now got an exclusive window, the likes of which we may never see again and that we have not seen for forever, into the...
00:16:44.000 Foreign policy calculus of this new administration.
00:16:48.000 And hopefully we never see it again.
00:16:50.000 We got a little bit of a sneak peek into the mindset.
00:16:53.000 And embarrassment aside, it actually shows that we're in very capable hands as to how these decisions are being made, who is making them, and them weighing the potential costs of U.S. involvement.
00:17:08.000 In a backwards way, it's actually awfully reassuring.
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00:18:15.000 Joining us now is Senator Ron Johnson from the great state of Wisconsin.
00:18:19.000 Senator, welcome to the program.
00:18:21.000 Senator, we are pushing very hard.
00:18:22.000 We have deployed our entire field staff.
00:18:28.000 Well, Charlie, and thank you for all those efforts.
00:18:39.000 You understand, as your organization understands, the way you win elections in Wisconsin is ground game, ground game, ground game.
00:18:48.000 You combine that with the volunteers at RPW, Elon Musk's efforts, some other...
00:18:54.000 Big supporters.
00:18:56.000 That's how we're going to have to get it done.
00:18:58.000 But what's so crucial about this is we have another election for the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
00:19:03.000 Last time we lost, our candidate only got 800,000 votes.
00:19:07.000 Now, to put that in perspective, President Trump is now the record vote getter in Wisconsin, just shy of 1.7.
00:19:14.000 There's no reason whatsoever that we're running 900,000 votes.
00:19:19.000 Below his record total.
00:19:21.000 So we need to get out to vote because this is a race between a judge.
00:19:30.000 I've got a senior moment here.
00:19:32.000 Brad Schimmel.
00:19:33.000 Yes. And his opponent, Susan Crawford, who will be a judicial activist, someone who will legislate from the bench, will first redistrict.
00:19:44.000 The federal, the congressional seats.
00:19:46.000 We'll probably lose a couple seats from that standpoint.
00:19:48.000 Then the next thing they'll do is overturn Act 10. They'll cost Wisconsinites hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars over the time.
00:19:56.000 Probably overturn voter ID. 0.93
00:19:58.000 We may never have another free and fair election in Wisconsin.
00:20:02.000 We'll certainly never clean up our voter rolls.
00:20:04.000 So this is crucial.
00:20:05.000 The election has national implications.
00:20:08.000 It's great that Turning Point, your organization, is getting out there and understanding the national implications of this.
00:20:13.000 So talk about how the far left is mobilizing and they are spending a lot of money in the state of Wisconsin.
00:20:20.000 I also want to throw up, let's go to Cut 97. This shows how our voters are very low propensity.
00:20:28.000 This is a strict turnout game.
00:20:30.000 Let's play Cut 97, please.
00:20:32.000 In 2020, in their data, people who didn't vote, if they had voted, would have been a little bit more democratic than the country overall.
00:20:39.000 But over the next four years...
00:20:42.000 People who didn't vote went from being a somewhat Democratic-leaning group to a group that Trump won by double digits.
00:20:48.000 Okay. So the second graph here, we have, for every precinct, we look at what percentage of people voted in 2022.
00:20:54.000 And then we just look at what was the change in Democratic vote share from 2020 to 2024.
00:21:00.000 And so what you could see here is that for the lowest turnout precincts, you know, Trump increased his vote share by, you know, something like 6%, while for the highest turnout precincts.
00:21:10.000 Harris actually increased her support.
00:21:12.000 And, you know, that's really the story of this election, is that, you know, people who follow news really closely, who get their news from traditional media, who, like, say that politics is an important part of their identity, they became more democratic in absolute terms.
00:21:26.000 So what they're saying here, and that last, that's David Shore, who had a great conversation, Ezra Klein, two lefties, but very thoughtful.
00:21:33.000 Senator, what he was saying there at the end is the most astute point when it comes to the Supreme Court race.
00:21:39.000 He says those that have politics as part of their identity tend to be more Democrat.
00:21:45.000 Well, Senator, people who have politics as part of their identity are more likely to vote in a spring off-year election for a Supreme Court race.
00:21:52.000 Therefore, our side must drive turnout of low-propensity voters.
00:21:57.000 Senator. Yeah, that's true.
00:21:58.000 You know, conservatives...
00:22:00.000 We don't want to deal with government.
00:22:02.000 We want to live our lives.
00:22:04.000 We want to go to work.
00:22:05.000 We want to provide for our families, whereas leftists, they want power.
00:22:10.000 They get power by winning elections, by governing and imposing their ideology on us.
00:22:15.000 So, again, we need to wake up everybody who voted for President Trump, let them understand what's at stake here on April 1st, and get out and vote.
00:22:24.000 I mean, if every Trump voter voted for Brad Schimmel, we would run away with this race.
00:22:30.000 But again, in the last Supreme Court race, our Canada only got 800,000 votes versus President Trump's 1.7.
00:22:36.000 And of course, the left, the last time, turned that Wisconsin Supreme Court race into the most expensive elected judicial race in history.
00:22:44.000 This race is going to top that.
00:22:48.000 I mean, it's just grotesque, the amount of money the left throws at these things.
00:22:52.000 Good news is we've got supporters on our side now that are trying to match those totals.
00:22:57.000 But even better news is we've got organizations like yours that realize the way you really win is not running millions and millions of dollars of ads.
00:23:04.000 That's important.
00:23:05.000 You've got to do it.
00:23:06.000 You've got to keep up.
00:23:07.000 But it's about ground game and getting out to the voters themselves and energizing them and making sure they know how important this race is.
00:23:15.000 Senator, can you contrast what you are feeling on the ground?
00:23:17.000 You know the state of Wisconsin better than anybody.
00:23:19.000 I would put you number one as a Republican and maybe Scott Walker because you have won in the hardest of all terrains.
00:23:26.000 I mean, you beat Russ Feingold in 2010.
00:23:28.000 I think you beat him again in 2016, if I remember correctly.
00:23:30.000 And then you won against Mandela Barnes, I think, in 2020.
00:23:34.000 I mean, when all the odds are stacked against Senator Johnson, you triumph.
00:23:39.000 And you do it through grassroots.
00:23:41.000 and you do it with connecting with the...
00:23:45.000 Mayor's candidates and county commissioners.
00:23:47.000 Can you contrast how it feels on the ground versus a couple years ago where we lost the Supreme Court race?
00:23:54.000 Do you feel more national attention and more energy versus a couple years prior?
00:24:00.000 Yeah, there's no doubt about it.
00:24:01.000 On our side, we're paying a lot closer attention to this race than we did last time because we lost the last one so miserably. 0.99
00:24:07.000 But this feels very similar to most elections in Wisconsin.
00:24:12.000 Dead even, really close.
00:24:14.000 And it's going to come down to, you know, a few tens of thousands of votes probably.
00:24:19.000 Again, I don't quite understand that.
00:24:21.000 You know, why in a presidential year you can turn out 1.7 and win by 30,000 votes.
00:24:26.000 In a non-presidential year you turn out about, you know, 1.2 million and win by 30,000 votes or lose by 30,000 votes.
00:24:34.000 It's Wisconsin.
00:24:34.000 It's going to be close.
00:24:36.000 It's just amazing the way both sides seem to.
00:24:38.000 You know, ratchet up the turnout by about the same level, no matter what the race is, whether it's presidential or non-presidential.
00:24:45.000 So, I'm thrilled to hear that, and I know the grassroots are working really hard.
00:24:50.000 Senator, shifting gears for a second now to more broad macro elements.
00:24:55.000 What is your take on this story with Jeffrey Goldberg, the Atlantic?
00:25:00.000 Obviously not a great look with, you know, adding the editor-in-chief, the Atlantic, into a private group chat.
00:25:08.000 And the strike then, subsequent strike on the Houthis.
00:25:12.000 What is your analysis?
00:25:13.000 Your Senate colleagues are acting as if this was the leaking of the invasion of Normandy.
00:25:19.000 An outrageous, over-the-top, hyperbolic response.
00:25:23.000 Senator, how are you processing all of this?
00:25:25.000 Well, it does sound, now that you start reading the reports, that this has been embellished.
00:25:29.000 It's obviously not a great look.
00:25:31.000 My guess, this was obviously a mistake.
00:25:34.000 A mistake that I'm sure is being corrected.
00:25:37.000 And it has been corrected immediately.
00:25:39.000 I mean, it'll be up to the president to decide exactly what action to take.
00:25:43.000 But from my standpoint, I don't doubt that this is all being blown way out of proportion by the Atlantic and by the mainstream media.
00:25:52.000 And I also have no doubt that this is going to be corrected very, very quickly.
00:25:55.000 I certainly contact or my discussion with nominees is follow the Federal Records Act, make sure that all...
00:26:04.000 Communications are preserved.
00:26:05.000 Follow the law.
00:26:07.000 And I think, by and large, that's exactly what the people inside the conservative administrations do.
00:26:11.000 We certainly see how Vice President Biden, President Biden, violates that by, you know, using all these private email addresses, that type of thing.
00:26:20.000 So, again, I caution Republican nominees, don't do that.
00:26:25.000 Follow the law.
00:26:26.000 Also, I want to now touch on the reconciliation process.
00:26:30.000 How are we proceeding on the one big, beautiful bill?
00:26:35.000 What are you pushing for specifically to try and bring this to be a victory for the border and hopefully spending cuts?
00:26:42.000 We cannot forget spending cuts.
00:26:44.000 Senator, where are we at?
00:26:46.000 To me, it's all about spending.
00:26:48.000 There's no way you can justify it from going from $4.4 trillion in 2019 up to $7.3 trillion this year.
00:26:56.000 And particularly when you take a look at the options I've laid out there to return to a pre-pandemic level, whether it's Clinton in 98, Obama in 2014, or Trump in 2019, leave Social Security and Medicare as they are today, plus up the other outlays by population growth and inflation.
00:27:14.000 You've got a baseline spending level somewhere between $5.5 and $6.5 trillion.
00:27:19.000 $6.5 trillion ought to be the absolute maximum.
00:27:22.000 We ought to be considering, unfortunately, the House resolution at most is going to cut about $1.5 trillion over 10 years, which is going to take us from about 7.3 down to, what, 7.1?
00:27:32.000 I mean, it's just completely unacceptable.
00:27:35.000 So President Trump, he needs to get serious about reducing spending if he's going to accomplish the goal he's laid out there about balancing the budget.
00:27:43.000 I don't think anybody that voted for President Trump...
00:27:45.000 Thought he would continue spending at Biden's levels.
00:27:48.000 And so there's a real, we're loggerheads right now at the House.
00:27:51.000 I know they want to pass one big, beautiful bill.
00:27:53.000 I think a multi-step process always made more sense.
00:27:57.000 A lot simpler.
00:27:58.000 Get the border funding to President Trump now.
00:28:00.000 I would just, quite honestly, extend current tax law to make sure that we don't have a massive automatic tax increase on the table.
00:28:06.000 I'd get those things off the table, get them out of the way, and then start doing the really hard work.
00:28:12.000 I'm trying to convince my colleagues, and we've got big spenders in my party too, of returning to a reasonable pre-pandemic level.
00:28:19.000 I proposed in the Wall Street Journal a panel made up of House members, senators, and the administration going line by line publicly with members of the administration.
00:28:29.000 Justify this.
00:28:30.000 I mean, why are you spending so much more than an inflated 2019 level?
00:28:35.000 We can literally save hundreds of billions of dollars per year.
00:28:39.000 You know, at a minimum, $700 billion, and that's not even touching Medicaid.
00:28:43.000 Don't touch Social Security, Medicaid, or Medicaid, and it's still $700 billion less than we're spending today.
00:28:49.000 Why aren't we talking about that versus the meager savings the House resolution would offer us?
00:28:56.000 I completely agree.
00:28:57.000 We need massive spending cuts.
00:28:59.000 If we are serious about saving our republic...
00:29:02.000 We need to analyze every single expenditure of the federal government.
00:29:06.000 Senator, thank you so much for your time.
00:29:08.000 And everyone, go out and vote and get someone to vote in the state of Wisconsin.
00:29:11.000 We must win the Supreme Court race.
00:29:13.000 Senator, thank you so much.
00:29:15.000 Thanks for your efforts.
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00:30:23.000 I'm just reading some emails here about the chat situation.
00:30:28.000 I've got to give our audience credit.
00:30:30.000 Our audience is not happy with it.
00:30:32.000 Our audience says that there is no excuse for this, that we must hold ourselves to a higher standard.
00:30:40.000 Very impressed by the audience's high standard.
00:30:44.000 In fact, my favorite email says President Trump is working his tail off all day long and has to be distracted by allowing the editor-in-chief, The Atlantic, into a group chat.
00:30:53.000 Unacceptable. That is the vibe of the audience, and I think you guys deserve a lot of credit.
00:30:58.000 I want your thoughts.
00:30:59.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:31:01.000 Do you think Mike Waltz should be fired?
00:31:04.000 What do you think is the right course of action post- This chat story of the way forward.
00:31:12.000 President Trump had nothing to do with this.
00:31:14.000 By the way, a lot of times people say, oh, it involves Trump.
00:31:16.000 This one, trust me, President Trump is not putting together signal group chats.
00:31:21.000 You could say a lot of stuff.
00:31:22.000 He's not putting together signal group chats.
00:31:25.000 I want to play some more pieces of tape here, especially the fallout from the signal chat.
00:31:33.000 Let's go here.
00:31:34.000 This is Mr. Goldberg describing what he saw in the chat.
00:31:41.000 Playcut 143.
00:31:42.000 The specific time of a future attack, specific targets, including human targets, meant to be killed in that attack, weapon systems, even weather reports, the precise detail.
00:32:00.000 And then along...
00:32:02.000 Section on sequencing.
00:32:04.000 This is going to happen.
00:32:05.000 Then that is going to happen.
00:32:06.000 After that happens, this happens.
00:32:08.000 Then that happens.
00:32:09.000 And then we go and find out if it worked.
00:32:11.000 I mean, you know, he can say that it wasn't a war plan, but it was a minute-by-minute accounting of what was about to happen.
00:32:26.000 However, you were not supposed to be in there.
00:32:29.000 Never should have happened.
00:32:31.000 Now, understand Signal has and will is continued to be an authorized method of communication.
00:32:38.000 Joe Biden started that practice and President Trump has continued it.
00:32:42.000 Scott Jennings comments on it.
00:32:44.000 Play cut 145.
00:32:45.000 The Signal program.
00:32:47.000 Was preloaded on a number of devices and agency computers in this circuit when they got there.
00:32:53.000 So in their view, it was already in use.
00:32:55.000 Number two, in some of the messages, they talk about needing to go to the high side computers, which is the classified system.
00:33:00.000 So they clearly were knowing there was a line on what you could discuss in a chat like this versus classified system.
00:33:07.000 Number three, there is a dispute over whether the term war plans is being exaggerated.
00:33:10.000 And number four, look, I love the policy.
00:33:14.000 It's well executed.
00:33:15.000 You've got a thoughtful policy discussion going on.
00:33:17.000 And we did what the Biden administration would not do, stop these people from harassing our shipping lanes and our boats and our Navy.
00:33:23.000 So let me tell you the biggest concern of all.
00:33:26.000 If that is correct, and it was government devices that everyone was using Signal with, then why did Mike Waltz on a government device have Jeffrey Goldberg saved on his Signal profile?
00:33:40.000 That's a serious question.
00:33:42.000 It's not like this was some carryover when he was in Congress.
00:33:46.000 Jeffrey Goldberg is a chief neocon, a very neoconservative person.
00:33:50.000 So is Mike Waltz.
00:33:52.000 Mike Waltz is a maximalist neocon.
00:33:54.000 He is very close to John Bolton on several issues.
00:33:58.000 I've had this discussion with him before.
00:34:00.000 That's fine.
00:34:01.000 President Trump likes to mix it up.
00:34:03.000 He likes to have aggressive and can kind of come in and mediate it.
00:34:05.000 Not doubting President Trump's wisdom here.
00:34:08.000 But it does beg the question.
00:34:09.000 That if it's preloaded on a government device, and this is your government official channels and communication, then how is it saved in your Signal chat?
00:34:21.000 I know how Signal works.
00:34:23.000 Who actually invited this person into a Signal chat?
00:34:28.000 Seems to be Mike Waltz.
00:34:30.000 That means he's added Jeffrey Goldberg as a contact on Signal since he became National Security Advisor.
00:34:38.000 Now, he could have potentially imported his previous signal profile onto a government device.
00:34:47.000 Maybe. Potentially.
00:34:49.000 But it begs a lot more questions than answers.
00:34:53.000 And just more broadly, what are you as the National Security Advisor doing dialoguing with Jeffrey Goldberg?
00:35:02.000 The room for error is nothing, and praise God, this could have been a lot worse.
00:35:06.000 We narrowly avoided what could have been something catastrophic.
00:35:10.000 This is a developing story.
00:35:12.000 I do want to hear from you, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:14.000 What do you think should happen in this instance?
00:35:16.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:35:18.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.