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00:01:18.000 Joining us now is Tony Busby, who is the lead attorney for Ken Paxton and his successful effort, who has now been acquitted.

00:01:27.000 Tony, thank you for joining us.

00:01:30.000 Tony, walk us through what the last couple of weeks have been, which culminated in a victory.

00:01:35.000 Walk us through it.

00:01:36.000 Well, it's been high drama.

00:01:37.000 You know, the House Board of Managers, the House of Representatives brought charges back in May that they voted on.

00:01:45.000 It took them about four hours, and it was based on hearsay upon hearsay.

00:01:50.000 In fact, none of the witnesses that this was all based upon ever were put under oath.

00:01:55.000 So this, for about three months with a gag order in place, Attorney General Paxton and his wife, Senator Paxton, were accused of all kinds of things that we could not even rebut in the press.

00:02:08.000 And of course, the liberal press was in the hip pocket of the House managers.

00:02:14.000 And so finally, two weeks ago, we were able to do an opening statement and tell our side of the story.

00:02:20.000 And even though Attorney General Paxton had been essentially convicted in the press, once they called their first witness under oath, and that witness was cross-examined, it all fell apart.

00:02:33.000 It crumbled like a cookie, and Ken Paxton was acquitted.

00:02:36.000 So walk us through some of the players here, Dade Phelan, the Bush insiders.

00:02:41.000 For our national audience that aren't as familiar with Insider Ball Texas politics, walk us through some of the players and why Ken Paxton, in your estimation, did they target?

00:02:51.000 Well, you know, the Bush family has controlled Texas politics for a long time.

00:02:56.000 Ken Paxton has been an anti-establishment guy.

00:02:59.000 He has been fighting very hard against not only Obama administration, but also, of course, the Biden administration.

00:03:06.000 And they thought they finally had him.

00:03:08.000 And the interesting thing, and I thought what was most telling was the so-called whistleblowers.

00:03:13.000 And remember, to be a whistleblower, you have to have a good faith belief that a crime had occurred.

00:03:19.000 Well, these so-called whistleblowers admitted under oath that they had no evidence of any crime.

00:03:24.000 And on the day that they went to the FBI, George P. Bush reactivated his law license.

00:03:32.000 And one thing people should know is that Ken Paxton ran against George P. Bush in the Republican primary and beat him 68 to 32.

00:03:41.000 And we thought that ended the George Bush or the Bush hierarchy in the state of Texas.

00:03:47.000 Well, they came back again in a different way.

00:03:50.000 And this time, it was this impeachment.

00:03:52.000 And so on the very day that these so-called whistleblowers went to the FBI without any evidence, without any evidence of any crime, but made all these allegations that led to this impeachment, George P. Bush reactivated his law license, hoping that he would be the next attorney general.

00:04:09.000 And here's the interesting part.

00:04:11.000 All of these so-called whistleblowers who are nothing more than disgruntled ex-staffers who made complaints against their boss with no evidence to the FBI, they were all represented by an individual named Johnny Sutton.

00:04:24.000 Johnny Sutton, of course, was the appointed U.S. attorney by George Bush and was working for three years after we cross-examined these whistleblowers working for free.

00:04:37.000 So the whole thing stumped to high heaven.

00:04:40.000 The whole thing was an orchestration of a house that was in line with the Bush family.

00:04:46.000 Of course, the Democrats jumped in as well.

00:04:49.000 And it was all exposed on national TV when the first witness was actually put under oath and actually cross-examined.

00:04:57.000 Yeah, and you did a fabulous job of that.

00:04:59.000 I want to build this out even further, though.

00:05:02.000 We have cut 19 here, but I think I'm not sure how long it is.

00:05:06.000 Let's play Cut 19.

00:05:07.000 This is the clip that went viral.

00:05:08.000 They figured out real quickly once they talked to Maxwell that, you know what, we don't have anything.

00:05:15.000 We need to beef this up.

00:05:16.000 We don't have anything.

00:05:19.000 And even though it's been three years, they still don't have anything.

00:05:26.000 And 17 lawyers over there working since May, $500 an hour for each of them.

00:05:37.000 Hundreds of thousands of dollars wasted.

00:05:39.000 Taxpayer money wasted.

00:05:41.000 And they still don't have anything.

00:05:46.000 How did this happen?

00:05:47.000 Well, they made some assumptions.

00:05:51.000 They made some assumptions, and you go on to say the Bush regime ends today.

00:05:55.000 Talk about how this really was the grassroots versus the oligarchs.

00:06:00.000 The people wanted Ken Paxton.

00:06:02.000 There's no doubt.

00:06:04.000 Ken Paxton won his last election with 4.2 million votes.

00:06:09.000 The grassroots are behind Ken Paxton.

00:06:12.000 The people in the House that are aligned with the Bush family were against Ken Paxton.

00:06:16.000 They did not like the fact that Ken Paxton dispatched George P. Bush by an overwhelming majority.

00:06:24.000 So this was their effort, and it may have succeeded.

00:06:27.000 They had 100 lawyers on the other side.

00:06:30.000 They were backed by millions of dollars, lobbyist dollars, pushing to beat Ken Paxton, who's anti-establishment and anti-the old guard.

00:06:39.000 And I am so proud to have been a part of it.

00:06:41.000 I am so proud when they called that first witness and he was put under oath, and you could tell with his shaking voice that he didn't have a whole lot there.

00:06:49.000 And when he started answering cross-examined questions, he crumbled like a cookie on the stand.

00:06:54.000 And you could just feel it.

00:06:56.000 You could feel it in that Senate chamber.

00:06:59.000 You could feel that everybody watching had seen what had happened and everybody saw this for what it was, which was a complete sham.

00:07:09.000 So going into this, now that the Bush people are rewriting history, they say, oh, we knew all along it would be tough.

00:07:14.000 No, no, no.

00:07:15.000 They thought they could get this done, right?

00:07:16.000 They didn't waste their time or their money.

00:07:18.000 Kind of add some color to that because now they're rewriting history.

00:07:22.000 Walk us through that.

00:07:24.000 They talked about the legitimacy of this process, that this was going to be a just process, that the impeachment was correct, that it was supported by more evidence.

00:07:33.000 You're going to see all the evidence.

00:07:34.000 And then when it fell apart, now they're trying to delegitize or make the process illegitimate.

00:07:41.000 And that was a just and that was a fair trial.

00:07:44.000 I can tell you the first vote, we tried to get the entire thing dismissed, and we only were able to get six votes.

00:07:51.000 But once the evidence came in and once the lack of evidence on the prosecution side became clear, it fell apart.

00:07:58.000 And now what we hear from the very same people who brought this case against Ken Paxton is, well, the whole process was fixed from the beginning.

00:08:06.000 And this is what we're up against.

00:08:07.000 I mean, this could happen to anybody.

00:08:09.000 This could happen to anybody that they could cook up charges.

00:08:12.000 And we even had documents in the whistleblower's own writing saying we're going to cook up charges.

00:08:19.000 And once people saw that, the grassroots saw that, people got angry as they should.

00:08:24.000 I was angry as well.

00:08:25.000 You can tell in that video, I was angry that Ken Paxton, our attorney general, was put through this and that his wife, Senator Angela Paxton, was put through this.

00:08:34.000 And the good news is, the good news is justice prevailed.

00:08:39.000 Yes, it did.

00:08:39.000 Let's play another piece of tape here.

00:08:41.000 Here was the one that I was looking for previously, play cut 13.

00:08:44.000 And there is no doubt there have been hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of articles about Ken Paxton, how bad Ken Paxton is.

00:08:54.000 Everybody has heard it.

00:08:55.000 And guess what?

00:08:56.000 The voters heard it too.

00:08:57.000 And guess what?

00:08:59.000 Ken Paxton won hands down resounding victory.

00:09:04.000 He beat the latest in line for the Bushes.

00:09:11.000 Let it be known.

00:09:12.000 Let it be clear now.

00:09:14.000 The Bush era in Texas ends today.

00:09:20.000 Is it fair to say the Bush cabal is weaker than at any time because of this loss?

00:09:26.000 I give all credit to Ken Paxton.

00:09:28.000 I think so.

00:09:29.000 I think this puts an end, I hope, to the Bush regime in Texas.

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00:10:40.000 So Tony, what is the lesson here then for grassroots conservatives?

00:10:43.000 When the regime comes after you, hold the line.

00:10:46.000 It would have been very easy for Ken just to bow out, wouldn't it?

00:10:49.000 Yeah, and that's what that's one of the things I said in the closing is what they hoped he would do, what they expected he would do, was quit.

00:10:56.000 But he has a stronger backbone than that.

00:10:59.000 And I can tell you the grassroots, their calls, their letters, their emails, their texts, they made a difference.

00:11:05.000 They made a real difference.

00:11:06.000 They were heard.

00:11:07.000 I think they were heard by the jury.

00:11:09.000 They certainly were heard by our legal team.

00:11:11.000 It motivated us.

00:11:13.000 It gave us strength to fight through this.

00:11:15.000 Let's go to cut 12, please.

00:11:17.000 The burdens of proof.

00:11:18.000 Look at the burdens of proof, senators.

00:11:21.000 If you decided this case from the Houston Chronicle, the Texas Tribune, Texas Monthly, the Dallas Morning News, oh, my goodness gracious, Ken Paxton's guilty.

00:11:34.000 But there ain't no evidence to support it.

00:11:38.000 The only evidence we have in this case is they don't like Ken Paxton.

00:11:42.000 So how is it then, just help me understand, that a Republican House in the state of Texas with such weak evidence decided to proceed?

00:11:51.000 This is a mockery to the whole country.

00:11:53.000 This is a humiliation for the state of Texas.

00:11:56.000 Shocking.

00:11:57.000 It was shocking.

00:11:59.000 We knew from the beginning that they had never placed a witness under oath.

00:12:04.000 We knew from the beginning that they had some investigators who went out and spoke to only 15 witnesses and collected no documents.

00:12:11.000 And then those. investigators went to the House committee and testified, but were not placed under oath.

00:12:18.000 And we knew there was nothing to support this.

00:12:20.000 And then you may recall that the hearing where they recommended impeachment lasted only four hours.

00:12:28.000 And I think the reason that they sped that up and the reason that they went forward with this is because the speaker of the house was embarrassed by Ken Paxton because the speaker of the house appeared to be drunk running the state's business and Ken Paxton called him out in a public statement.

00:12:44.000 And so they sped this up and they, as I've called it, they took a long walk on a short pier.

00:12:50.000 They had already went too far and it was too late to turn back.

00:12:54.000 And that's the case with the House that brought these charges and also with these so-called whistleblowers.

00:12:59.000 And so what they put us in a position of doing is not only defending ourselves and the press with a gag order in place, but also cross-examining witnesses who had a lot of allegations and supposition and guesswork, but no evidence.

00:13:15.000 And the good news is it turned out the way it should have turned out.

00:13:19.000 The process worked.

00:13:20.000 But the point is, it should have never happened.

00:13:23.000 And I think Lieutenant Governor's comments after the trial, where he blasted the House and said this should never happen and we're going to amend the Texas Constitution, I think that speaks volumes.

00:13:34.000 So there are some whispers that are being leaked to the Associated Press that the Department of Justice is now going to take over and continue their assault against Ken Paxton.

00:13:45.000 Is there anything you can share with that?

00:13:46.000 It looks like it's an unrelenting blitzkrieg against Ken Paxton.

00:13:51.000 I hope that's not true because anybody that watched the trial and saw the witnesses that the federal government, the DOJ would have to rely upon would see that they have no evidence and that they do not stand up to cross-examination.

00:14:04.000 I think what you're hearing is just a bunch of sour grapes from the press corps that thought that they had gotten Ken Paxton.

00:14:11.000 And not only did they not get Ken Paxton, he's stronger than ever and is ready to do his work.

00:14:16.000 Tony Busby, and you're running for city council.

00:14:18.000 Tell us about that really quick.

00:14:20.000 I'm running in a District G, which generates 37% of the revenues in the city of Houston, but only gets about 10% of the benefits.

00:14:29.000 This is a, you know, Houston is becoming more and more unsafe.

00:14:33.000 We have more than a thousand busted water water mains across the city.

00:14:37.000 And we need somebody who's an advocate, who stands up and is all about good government.

00:14:42.000 And that's the reason I'm running.

00:14:43.000 And I'm looking forward to working for the residents of the city of Houston.

00:14:47.000 Tony Busby, great work.

00:14:49.000 Thank you so much.

00:14:50.000 Appreciate it.

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00:15:51.000 Brent Bozell is with us, Brent.

00:15:53.000 Good to see you.

00:15:53.000 Thank you for having me.

00:15:54.000 It's a lot of fun.

00:15:55.000 Yeah, Media Research Center.

00:15:57.000 First, tell us about that and let's get started.

00:15:59.000 All right.

00:15:59.000 So the MRC was founded, good Lord, 35 and a half years ago because I believed that the media, then the liberal media, were the most powerful arm of the left in America today, the most consequential anyway.

00:16:17.000 But that's when the media were liberal.

00:16:19.000 What we've seen happen in the last five years is a transformation.

00:16:23.000 This is a media that's gone hard far left.

00:16:26.000 And I spent 30 years debating the media that denied they have a bias.

00:16:32.000 Note that nobody denies it anymore.

00:16:34.000 Note that nobody suggests they don't have a bias anymore.

00:16:38.000 It's indefensible to suggest that they don't have a bias.

00:16:41.000 And you guys do a wonderful job of exposing it.

00:16:44.000 And from a factual perspective, it's really remarkable.

00:16:47.000 I want to talk about this: Meet the Press.

00:16:50.000 There's a new host of Meet the Press, Kristen Welker.

00:16:53.000 And this is part of something that we call the Trump paradox, which is that there's a portion of the media that says do not platform Trump at all, but another portion that says, wait, we need ratings.

00:17:03.000 We have to pay the bills.

00:17:04.000 So they're kind of in this tension point of do we platform Trump or do we not platform Trump?

00:17:10.000 Let's play a little tease from Meet the Press.

00:17:12.000 If you haven't seen it, it's a very entertaining interview.

00:17:14.000 Play Cut 15.

00:17:15.000 92% of the Democrats don't want to see abortion after a certain period of time.

00:17:21.000 If a federal ban landed on your desk, if you were re-elected, would you sign it at 15?

00:17:28.000 Are you talking about a complete ban?

00:17:30.000 A ban at 15 weeks.

00:17:31.000 Well, people are starting to think of 15 weeks.

00:17:36.000 That seems to be a number that people are talking about right now.

00:17:38.000 Would you sign that?

00:17:40.000 I would sit down with both sides and I'd negotiate something and we'll end up with peace in that issue for the first time in 52 years.

00:17:49.000 I'm not going to say I would or I wouldn't.

00:17:50.000 I mean, DeSanctus is willing to sign a five-week and six-week ban.

00:17:54.000 Did you support that?

00:17:56.000 I think what he did is a terrible thing and a terrible mistake.

00:17:59.000 So I don't want to get into the abortion thing too much, but that's going viral.

00:18:02.000 Brent, your thoughts, media versus Trump, they need him.

00:18:06.000 Isn't it funny, though?

00:18:07.000 You know, they were apoplectic with themselves during the 2016 campaign because it was all Trump all the time.

00:18:15.000 I've never seen in my life someone command the media attention the way that he did.

00:18:20.000 He's a master, an absolute master.

00:18:23.000 They were going crazy, but they had to cover him because of the ratings.

00:18:26.000 It's so good for the ratings.

00:18:28.000 So what's happened is since 2020, they have said to themselves, look, we've got to take the high road.

00:18:33.000 And the high road means banning him from being on television, which, you know, begs question.

00:18:37.000 Who the hell are they?

00:18:38.000 I mean, these are supposed to be news reporters not passing judgment on who is worthy and who isn't.

00:18:44.000 This guy is the presumptive nominee of the Republican Party.

00:18:47.000 How in the world do they have any right whatsoever?

00:18:50.000 And so they are very upset anytime he gets on the air.

00:18:53.000 But guess what?

00:18:54.000 When he gets on the air, he dominates the news.

00:18:56.000 And it's this ongoing paradox.

00:18:59.000 You saw this with CNN, right?

00:19:01.000 CNN did the Caitlin Collins Town Hall and then licked, gets fired or resigns almost completely after.

00:19:08.000 The rank and file of these news agencies say we cannot give him oxygen.

00:19:12.000 We cannot give him a platform.

00:19:14.000 This is the media.

00:19:16.000 I agree with Mark Levin.

00:19:18.000 This is a neo-Marxist news media.

00:19:21.000 They will not tolerate.

00:19:23.000 When was the last time?

00:19:24.000 Charlie, when was the last time you were on national television?

00:19:27.000 When was the last time that they invited you?

00:19:28.000 Never.

00:19:28.000 When was the last time?

00:19:30.000 Now, you have got one of the largest, most consequential organizations in the United States of America.

00:19:36.000 When was the last time they interviewed Mark Levin, who can sell a million hardback books, but yet they'll never put them on television?

00:19:44.000 They won't allow conservative speech.

00:19:46.000 They don't want conservative speech to be allowed.

00:19:48.000 We are finding ways in which the left is doing this, which is frightening.

00:19:52.000 We're going to be coming out with a report.

00:19:55.000 We already came out with one report showing how the Dayton University, how the Justice Department is saying.

00:20:01.000 We were involved in that.

00:20:02.000 This is how the radical left believe.

00:20:04.000 They believe that the conversation we're having right now ought not to be allowed.

00:20:08.000 They truly do believe this.

00:20:10.000 So Donald Trump going on television is something they believe ought not to be happening because, by God, his ideas might get out there.

00:20:17.000 Yes, that's right.

00:20:18.000 And so trust in the media is at an all-time low.

00:20:21.000 Can you just give us some perspective, Brent, over the last decade how consumption of information has changed?

00:20:27.000 Well, because first of all, when the news media have a trust rating lower than Congress, you know they're in trouble.

00:20:35.000 So what is the number?

00:20:36.000 I think last episode was 17 or something like that.

00:20:38.000 It makes you wonder who likes them.

00:20:41.000 Use card dealers have better reputations than the news media do.

00:20:45.000 Now, why?

00:20:45.000 Well, you know, here's an interesting dynamic, Charlie.

00:20:48.000 We're going from the news era.

00:20:50.000 We're leaving the news era and we're going into the information age.

00:20:53.000 You no longer, nine out of 10 people no longer wait for the newspaper in the morning to be delivered to see the news or wait till 6.30 in the evening.

00:21:03.000 They pick up this thing and they look for the information.

00:21:05.000 That's right.

00:21:05.000 They look for information, not news.

00:21:09.000 If you survey young people and ask them where they get their news, they get it from Facebook.

00:21:14.000 That's where they're getting the news.

00:21:15.000 So you've got the networks are still very, very powerful in that they can create the narrative.

00:21:22.000 And I'll argue that a lot of people will argue that the elections were or weren't stolen in 2020 at the ballot box.

00:21:31.000 But I can argue and I can argue with scientific certainty that the media stole the 2020.

00:21:37.000 So your organization, the Media Research Center, had the conclusive piece of data, and it was about the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:21:45.000 This is, I think, 10 out of 10.

00:21:47.000 Walk us through it.

00:21:48.000 Well, it was actually five or six different questions.

00:21:50.000 But here's what we did.

00:21:51.000 We looked at all the battleground states.

00:21:53.000 We looked at here in Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan.

00:22:00.000 And we asked a series of questions of Biden's voters.

00:22:04.000 These were questions we knew had not been covered by the news media because we track all these things.

00:22:10.000 We asked, for example, did they know that Kamala Harris had a voting record to the left of Bernie Sanders, the socialist?

00:22:17.000 And then we looked at it.

00:22:18.000 It was like 48% or whatever.

00:22:21.000 And then we asked them, would you have voted for Joe Biden had you known this?

00:22:26.000 And we took that number, whatever it might be, 5.2%, and we put it across those states.

00:22:31.000 And Donald Trump would have won Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.

00:22:41.000 Then we asked the same question, did you know that America was oil energy independent?

00:22:46.000 50% of Democrats had no idea.

00:22:48.000 Did you know that Donald Trump had been nominated or recommended for three Nobel Peace Prizes?

00:22:54.000 Did you know 11 million jobs have been created in two months?

00:22:57.000 Did you know that GDP in the last quarter was 30%, 30% GDP?

00:23:01.000 So we asked those series of questions, but here was the big one.

00:23:04.000 We asked, did you know about the Hunter Biden laptop story?

00:23:07.000 Now, here's what's important about this, Charlie.

00:23:10.000 Conservatives, all conservatives believe, well, everybody knew about this.

00:23:14.000 Everybody knew about the laptop.

00:23:16.000 Well, when you asked Biden's voters, 49.1% had never heard of Hunter Biden.

00:23:23.000 I'll get to why in a second.

00:23:26.000 41.9% had never heard about it.

00:23:29.000 Then we asked, would you have voted for Joe Biden had you known?

00:23:33.000 9.4% of Biden's voters wouldn't have won, wouldn't have voted for him.

00:23:39.000 So what would have happened?

00:23:40.000 Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, all the battleground states would have gone to Trump in a landslide.

00:23:52.000 He would have won at least 317 electoral votes.

00:23:56.000 And we just polled the battleground states.

00:23:59.000 He would have taken some of the blue states as well.

00:24:01.000 At least 317 electoral votes.

00:24:03.000 It would have been an absolute landslide had they only, Charlie, we're just talking about them reporting the news.

00:24:08.000 Think about in 2016, they almost kind of reported the news of the Hillary Clinton laptop.

00:24:13.000 And I think they swore a blood oath.

00:24:14.000 We're never doing that again.

00:24:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:17.000 We're never doing any sort of negative press.

00:24:19.000 The last 90 days of an election, we are not going to cover a scandal.

00:24:22.000 There's no more October surprises.

00:24:24.000 If a tree falls in a forest and there's an October surprise, no one to cover it.

00:24:27.000 Did it actually happen?

00:24:28.000 Yes.

00:24:29.000 Now, one of the things that we knew for a fact, we know for a fact, take the Hunter Biden story.

00:24:36.000 You know that ABC, NBC, and CBS completely buried it.

00:24:40.000 Why?

00:24:41.000 Because we covered these things and we showed it was a matter of seconds that they gave and rejected it.

00:24:49.000 We know that Twitter censored it because when Elon Musk took over, he found that out.

00:24:55.000 And then Mark Zuckerberg admitted that the Justice Department went to him and called it Russian collusion and told them not to cover it.

00:25:03.000 Now, Charlie, people should go to prison for this.

00:25:06.000 When the Justice Department is that weaponized that they are going to Facebook and telling them not to cover a story that they know is going to hurt Joe Biden, people should have gone to prison for that.

00:25:17.000 So we know it wasn't covered at all.

00:25:19.000 But here's the terrible thing, Charlie, and conservatives better recognize something.

00:25:24.000 It's happening all over again, right before our very eyes.

00:25:29.000 You and I know lots of things going on in this administration, and your viewers know everything we know that's going on about all the bribery and all that kind of stuff.

00:25:39.000 I can guarantee you that probably a majority of Democrats have no idea what we're talking about.

00:25:46.000 Yeah.

00:25:47.000 And we also live in a police state in addition to that. 0.95

00:25:50.000 And the media won't cover the police state.

00:25:52.000 We really do.

00:25:53.000 We really do.

00:25:54.000 I mean, the Justice Department is so weaponized.

00:25:56.000 You don't dare speak.

00:25:57.000 You know what it is?

00:25:59.000 It's not just that your freedom of speech is being interfered with.

00:26:03.000 It's your freedom of thought.

00:26:05.000 Because when you're going to say something and you think about it, and what's your reaction?

00:26:10.000 What's a lot of people react?

00:26:12.000 I better not say that.

00:26:13.000 I'm going to get myself banned.

00:26:14.000 I better not think that. 0.99

00:26:17.000 I better not say that thing about transgenders.

00:26:20.000 I better not say that thing about the Second Amendment.

00:26:23.000 On and on it goes.

00:26:25.000 But we have been looking at some of the studies, some of the stories that are out there that conservatives think are being covered.

00:26:32.000 And Charlie, it's frightening.

00:26:34.000 Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, has said unequivocally, he's never dealt, discussed his son's business deals.

00:26:41.000 He said it over and over again.

00:26:42.000 All right.

00:26:43.000 So what was Hunter Biden's partner, Eric Sherman, doing in the White House?

00:26:49.000 What was he doing in there?

00:26:51.000 And it's not that he went to the White House.

00:26:53.000 He went to the White House 19 times according to their logs, including one visit with Vice President Joe Biden.

00:27:02.000 Do you think there's any media interest in that?

00:27:04.000 They should be breaking down every door to find out what was he doing there 19 times.

00:27:08.000 Not one single story has been done on this.

00:27:13.000 Now, there was one person who did do the mainstream media thing, and I don't think they invited him back afterwards.

00:27:20.000 You told me about this story, and I studied it.

00:27:23.000 The only person to ever play the mainstream media like a fiddle, Rush Limbaugh.

00:27:26.000 You remember?

00:27:27.000 Let's play cut 30, Rush Limbaugh on 60 Minutes.

00:27:29.000 And Brent, I want you to tell the story around this.

00:27:31.000 It's amazing.

00:27:31.000 Play Cut 30.

00:27:32.000 People have called you a sexist.

00:27:34.000 People have called you a homophobic. 0.73

00:27:38.000 Are you?

00:27:39.000 Of course not.

00:27:40.000 I'm none of those things.

00:27:42.000 I am simply someone who views events in life and comments on them.

00:27:47.000 I have my own version of what's right and wrong.

00:27:49.000 You've also been called arrogant and pompous.

00:27:52.000 Well, I call it confidence. 0.54

00:27:57.000 The great Rush Limbaugh.

00:27:58.000 Brent, walk us through this story.

00:27:59.000 All right.

00:28:00.000 So I was with, having dinner with Rush one night, and he said, I've done an interview on 60 Minutes that's going to be coming up.

00:28:08.000 I said, Rush, you did what?

00:28:10.000 And he said, well, 60 Minutes wanted to do an interview.

00:28:13.000 Now, Rush was extraordinarily comfortable, but also very innocent about life.

00:28:18.000 And I said, Professor Rush, this is what I'm going to do.

00:28:20.000 When you find out when it's going to air, also let me know, but also let me know what your favorite Pacific island is.

00:28:26.000 And I'm going to buy you a one-way ticket to it.

00:28:29.000 And you go there and you stay there until everything blows over and then come back.

00:28:34.000 He said, well, I don't.

00:28:36.000 And then he called me some time later.

00:28:39.000 He said, it's going to air this weekend.

00:28:40.000 And I said, Rush, what island do you want to go to?

00:28:42.000 And he said, I don't know.

00:28:44.000 I feel good about this.

00:28:45.000 I think it went well.

00:28:46.000 And I said, oh, God.

00:28:47.000 And they said it went well.

00:28:48.000 And I thought, this is over.

00:28:49.000 He said, you don't know the media like I know the media.

00:28:52.000 So it played.

00:28:53.000 And I've got to tell you how this thing went.

00:28:55.000 It was so wonderful.

00:28:56.000 The first section had to do with Rush's homophobia.

00:29:01.000 And they showed clips of homophobic Rush saying things.

00:29:05.000 And then they went to some gay rights organization that were just apoplectic about him.

00:29:11.000 And then they went back to Rush and they showed him the footage of them being apoplectic.

00:29:15.000 And he started laughing.

00:29:17.000 Then the second one was the feminazis going after the feminists.

00:29:22.000 And again, they showed clips of him making fun of them.

00:29:25.000 They showed it to some radical feminist organization.

00:29:28.000 That's right. 1.00

00:29:28.000 She went nuts over it. 1.00

00:29:30.000 And he started laughing.

00:29:31.000 They showed it back to him.

00:29:32.000 He's laughing even more.

00:29:34.000 And then the third one was the animal rights, where they showed the footage of him playing born free with a machine gun in the background.

00:29:41.000 And some animal rights person was just going nuts.

00:29:44.000 And Rush is losing it, laughing.

00:29:46.000 Well, what happened?

00:29:47.000 At the end of the day, you saw left and you saw right.

00:29:52.000 You saw the right that could laugh and have fun and the left with no sense of humor whatsoever.

00:29:58.000 It was an out-of-the-park home run for Rush Limbaugh.

00:30:01.000 And that in some, I don't want to say I put him on the map, but they tried to ruin his career with that interview, and it had the opposite effect.

00:30:06.000 They did.

00:30:06.000 And they tried, you know, they never understood this.

00:30:08.000 There was a reporter, Bill Raspberry, a columnist for the Washington Post, very, very left-wing, who did, I think, one of the greatest services he did for his newspaper.

00:30:17.000 He wrote a piece just slamming Rush, just really, really bad.

00:30:22.000 And then about a month later, he wrote a second piece.

00:30:25.000 And in the second piece, he acknowledged he'd never listened to Rush before.

00:30:30.000 He was just going by what everybody was telling him.

00:30:33.000 And he then, after he wrote it, decided to listen to Rush.

00:30:37.000 And he said, and I'm paraphrasing, Rush, I don't agree with anything you say, but I apologize for everything I said because it wasn't true.

00:30:46.000 So good for him, for that man, for having done that.

00:30:49.000 Most people who attack who savage Rush never listen to his show once, but they couldn't stand the fact that he could laugh at them and enjoy it so much.

00:30:59.000 And the typical rules of the media did not apply to Rush.

00:31:03.000 No, no, they didn't.

00:31:05.000 Rush just knew how to handle the media better than anybody else did.

00:31:10.000 And he was always, you know, he never wavered.

00:31:14.000 He never, ever, ever compromised his principles, not once.

00:31:20.000 And you know the greatest story about him that's never been told?

00:31:22.000 He had every challenger under the sun.

00:31:25.000 He had thousands of people.

00:31:27.000 He was competing with for over 30 years.

00:31:30.000 And for 30 years, he was number one in the country.

00:31:33.000 No one was even close.

00:31:35.000 And I believe when he passed, he was bigger than when he was first number one 30 years before.

00:31:40.000 I believe it.

00:31:41.000 It's incredible.

00:31:42.000 Well, we miss Rush.

00:31:44.000 That's for that is a one of one of the one of the, and you know what?

00:31:47.000 And to be with him privately, people don't believe this.

00:31:50.000 He was the most humble person you ever met.

00:31:54.000 And there wasn't a bit of falsehood in that.

00:31:56.000 When he came back, when he had his drug issue and he came back from his drug issue, his first public event was with me at one of our galas.

00:32:04.000 And he got a massive standing ovation.

00:32:07.000 When he came off the stage, he looked at me almost teary-eyed and he said, Brent, they gave me a standing ovation.

00:32:14.000 You couldn't believe he would get that.

00:32:16.000 Amazing.

00:32:17.000 Brent Bozell, thank you for that.

00:32:19.000 Thank you for having me.

00:32:19.000 Thanks for the interview.

00:32:20.000 Thanks, Brent.

00:32:20.000 Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:32:24.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:26.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:32:29.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 18, 2023

The Trump Paradox with Brent Bozell and Tony Buzbee

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