The Charlie Kirk Show - The Truth About "White Flight" with Jack Cashill and Kathy Spence

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00:00:01.000 A fun unscripted conversation with Jack Cashill about white flight and then a conversation about what organization on the left is taking over America without us even realizing it.

00:00:11.000 It's called America Votes.

00:00:13.000 Very important conversation.

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00:03:07.000 I saw this story and I thought it was incredibly important on the epoch, or is it epic?

00:03:12.000 It is the great debate.

00:03:13.000 Is it epoch or epic?

00:03:14.000 I'll say epoch times.

00:03:16.000 One of the biggest organizations helping Democrats win elections.

00:03:19.000 The election of state Supreme Court justices doesn't always appear to garner national attention.

00:03:24.000 The article continues.

00:03:26.000 Super interesting.

00:03:27.000 Katie Spence is the author.

00:03:29.000 She covers various topics, focusing mainly on energy and politics for the Epoch Times.

00:03:34.000 And this is a really important article.

00:03:35.000 Katie, welcome to the program.

00:03:37.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:03:38.000 I'm happy to be here.

00:03:39.000 So, Katie, this is an incredibly important article.

00:03:42.000 Walk us through your findings.

00:03:44.000 What is this organization and what is the story here?

00:03:46.000 Right.

00:03:46.000 So when I first started looking into America Votes, it was because I was looking at the Open Society and George Soros and what he has been doing with funding and noticed this huge donation and wanted to find out, well, what do they do?

00:04:06.000 And come to find out they really are this organization that is the hub when it comes to voters.

00:04:13.000 They go out, they engage in the community, and they try to get more people to vote early, especially people of color and the younger generations.

00:04:23.000 And they are looking to advance progressive ideologies.

00:04:27.000 So what exactly is this organization called again?

00:04:30.000 It is called the America Votes.

00:04:35.000 So if you check out America Votes and you Google it, to an untrained eye, it doesn't look overly controversial.

00:04:42.000 It says they're a hub of the coordination hub of the progressive community.

00:04:47.000 I believe, are they a 501c3 or 501c4?

00:04:51.000 I think it's 501c4.

00:04:52.000 And you know who the founder is?

00:04:55.000 Go ahead.

00:04:56.000 They are a 501c4.

00:04:58.000 The founder is Cecile Richards, the former head of Planned Parenthood.

00:05:02.000 And their core states are obviously where we're getting our tails kicked.

00:05:07.000 It is a massive, massive effort.

00:05:10.000 And they talk about all of their partners.

00:05:12.000 So who exactly is funding this organization?

00:05:15.000 They do not disclose who funds them.

00:05:18.000 You have to find out who is funding them by going to other organizations like the 1630 Fund or the Open Society.

00:05:27.000 So there is nothing on their side that says, here's where we're getting our money.

00:05:30.000 Here are the donors that give us these grants or donations, unfortunately.

00:05:38.000 So America Votes had the largest ever midterm mobilization effort.

00:05:43.000 And it was a key reason we did not see the red wave so many pundits had predicted.

00:05:47.000 They say their partners knocked on more than 26 million doors and had nearly 5 million conversations, Ms. Dawson said.

00:05:54.000 Quote, we followed that up with another $5.7 million, 5.7 million doors knocked in Georgia ahead of the runoff just before the summit.

00:06:03.000 We knocked on more than 535,000 doors.

00:06:06.000 Is there anybody on the right that is doing something similar to this?

00:06:10.000 I don't know if they're doing it quite to the same level.

00:06:13.000 I have heard the R ⁇ D is planning on looking to get out and encourage early voting.

00:06:20.000 I think it's called Walk Your Vote.

00:06:27.000 What is it?

00:06:28.000 Bank Your Vote or something.

00:06:30.000 There is an effort.

00:06:31.000 Yeah, there is an effort from the RNC because of what happened in the 2022 election and in 2020.

00:06:38.000 So I think there is an effort to say, hey, we're going to, let's get out there and do a little bit more organization, but it is not nearly to the level of America Vote.

00:06:49.000 Yeah, and so they technically say they are a 501c4 social welfare organization, which we run a social welfare organization, Turning Point Action as well.

00:06:58.000 You know, we know about this.

00:07:00.000 But they're also very focused on early voting and a coordination hub.

00:07:04.000 What I find to be really interesting is that they're able to get a lot of these alliance organizations, AFL-CIO, AFSCAMI, Alliance for Youth Action.

00:07:12.000 I haven't even heard of some of these organizations.

00:07:14.000 And they list them all right there.

00:07:15.000 For example, the Alliance for Youth Action grows progressive people power across America by empowering local young people's organizations to strengthen our democracy, fix our economy, and correct injustices through on-the-ground organizing.

00:07:29.000 You go through it, there's dozens of these organizations, Black Votes Matter Fund.

00:07:34.000 I mean, I've even heard of all these groups.

00:07:36.000 And so is America Votes the central hub or do they just call themselves the central hub?

00:07:42.000 the closest thing to quote unquote the offensive coordinator of the Democrat offense.

00:07:48.000 So they call themselves the progressive hub.

00:07:52.000 And what they're trying to do is reduce duplication efforts and to make it so there's more streamlined.

00:07:58.000 They say that anytime a voter is engaged more than once, that's a wasted effort.

00:08:03.000 So they are the central hub.

00:08:05.000 I think what you're saying, they're a self-appointed progressive leader.

00:08:08.000 Is that right?

00:08:09.000 So they are the progressive hub, like I was saying, and they want to reduce duplication efforts.

00:08:15.000 They want to make sure that no one is going out twice to someone who may or may not vote.

00:08:20.000 They want to go out one time, one time only, and say, hey, get your ballot.

00:08:26.000 So they work with like Land Parenthood.

00:08:29.000 They work with Black Coats Matter. 0.98

00:08:30.000 They work with all sorts of organizations.

00:08:33.000 And they give them and funding to then go out more and disperse.

00:08:37.000 So they are the organization hub and they kind of coordinate everything.

00:08:42.000 And so, but they're not, what's interesting is they're big, but they're not huge.

00:08:48.000 What I find interesting is according to their, they have a $30 million budget, $40 million, right?

00:08:54.000 Is that correct?

00:08:55.000 There's other organizations that have hundreds of millions of dollars, but their role seems to be they are the appointed on-the-ground non-duplication nonprofit.

00:09:07.000 So was that a role given to them by Arabella Advisors or Democracy Alliance?

00:09:12.000 Or did they just kind of, they just kind of grew into it?

00:09:16.000 For example, they grow Emily's list.

00:09:18.000 I mean, they coordinate Emily's list.

00:09:20.000 They coordinate all these different groups.

00:09:22.000 You can go to their website and check it out.

00:09:23.000 It's rather extraordinary.

00:09:24.000 How did this happen?

00:09:25.000 How long have they been in operation?

00:09:28.000 Well, they started in 2003, and Cecil Richards started with them in 2004.

00:09:35.000 So she's not actually one of the original founders.

00:09:38.000 She came on board afterward.

00:09:41.000 But it started out just trying to get everything coordinated and streamlined.

00:09:47.000 And I don't know if they were like designated as the coordination hub or that's just what it became over time.

00:09:54.000 It sounds like it more became that way over time.

00:09:57.000 I don't know if you've read the blueprint, which talks about what happened to politics in Colorado, where Jared Paulus and a group of billionaires came in and made everything streamlined because they didn't want to waste money.

00:10:10.000 They didn't want to waste effort.

00:10:11.000 So it seems like that is what happened with America Votes.

00:10:15.000 They saw that there was duplicated efforts and then they streamlined it and that kind of put them in that position.

00:10:21.000 I don't know if they were designated the coordination progressive hub.

00:10:25.000 Yeah.

00:10:26.000 And so look, you know, at Turning Point Action, we're trying our best to create a similar hub, but most organizations on the right do not want to work together because they're afraid somebody will get the credit.

00:10:34.000 That's not them.

00:10:35.000 That's how the right works.

00:10:36.000 The article is terrific.

00:10:38.000 I encourage you guys to check it out in depth.

00:10:40.000 One of the biggest organizations helping Democrats win elections.

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00:12:01.000 The last thing that Rush Lumbaugh said at the Turning Point USA event, I think it was his last public speech before he passed away, was warning a group of kids about the green agenda.

00:12:12.000 At the time, I laughed.

00:12:13.000 I said, that's quite a topic, but he was so right and he did it intentionally.

00:12:17.000 It was the first thing he said.

00:12:18.000 What I'm saying is, it was the main crux of his speech.

00:12:20.000 Basically, he has 5,000 kids there, and you don't know what he's going to say.

00:12:23.000 Life advice, reject your commie professors.

00:12:26.000 And he just says, comes out swinging.

00:12:28.000 And by the way, climate change is the number one thing you have, not climate change, the reaction to climate change.

00:12:35.000 He called it a hoax.

00:12:37.000 The amount of censorship that is now happening, if you dare disagree or ask questions about the climate dogma, the climate earth-worshiping religion, is remarkable.

00:12:46.000 If there's an issue that is just kind of creeping up and creeping up, and it's not even in the back burner, it's just always kind of a third or fourth thing in the news cycle, third or fourth thing in the news cycle.

00:12:56.000 Lawsuits here and fossil fuel abolition there.

00:13:00.000 A tyrant's fantasy is to have a massive green economy transition. 0.70

00:13:09.000 You can get rid of private property.

00:13:10.000 You can control people's movements.

00:13:12.000 It is fundamentally the abolition of civilization as we know it.

00:13:16.000 For what?

00:13:17.000 The science is not solid.

00:13:20.000 The science is debated.

00:13:22.000 They look at science as if it is religious, irrefutable dogma.

00:13:29.000 Nobel Prize scientist recently has come out and he said that there is no real climate crisis.

00:13:36.000 That's right.

00:13:37.000 This is a debated fact.

00:13:38.000 Is there a climate crisis or not?

00:13:40.000 Scientist John Clauser, who won a Nobel Prize in physics last year, had been scheduled to give a speech at a climate seminar hosted by the International Monetary Fund.

00:13:50.000 John Clauser has come out and he said the climate crisis is a hoax.

00:13:54.000 He's now been canceled.

00:13:55.000 This guy won a Nobel Prize.

00:13:58.000 One of the more telling clips on this topic is the governor of Washington.

00:14:02.000 I'm actually going to Washington a couple weeks from now.

00:14:05.000 Producer Andrew went to the University of Washington.

00:14:07.000 I'm speaking in Yakima.

00:14:10.000 I think I'm speaking in Snohomish.

00:14:11.000 We have a whole Washington tour coming up.

00:14:14.000 Can't wait to see you guys up there.

00:14:16.000 Washington has been rated.

00:14:17.000 I hate these ratings, but I happen to agree that Washington has been rated as the most beautiful state.

00:14:25.000 It's hard to disagree.

00:14:26.000 There's really no ugly places in Washington unless you drive down to Pullman.

00:14:30.000 Spokane to Pullman is not the most beautiful drive in America.

00:14:33.000 It is an objectively beautiful state.

00:14:36.000 Every corner of it, lakes and rivers, valleys, mountains, and waterfalls.

00:14:40.000 It's just an incredible place.

00:14:42.000 And so Jay Inslee is kind of the Archbishop of Earth Worship, otherwise known as the governor of Washington.

00:14:50.000 Listen to what he's saying.

00:14:51.000 He's saying we're inventing a new economy.

00:14:54.000 This is a central planner's dream.

00:14:57.000 He's going to call the shots.

00:14:59.000 We're going to say what is permissible activity.

00:15:02.000 When you secularize society, it doesn't stay godless.

00:15:06.000 You replace it with pseudo-fabricated religions. 0.97

00:15:11.000 So as America becomes less Christian, as America becomes less Judeo-Christian in our value system, we just go back to earth worship, the very thing the Bible was written to refute.

00:15:22.000 Play cut five.

00:15:24.000 It's very exciting what's going on right now in inventing a new economy.

00:15:29.000 And we're doing that right in Washington State, and people are getting great jobs because of this.

00:15:33.000 So there's two parts to this story.

00:15:35.000 This thing is now the age of consequences.

00:15:37.000 The bomb has gone off, but we do have the ability to restrain fossil fuels if we make the commitments we need to.

00:15:46.000 Inventing.

00:15:47.000 That's a new word.

00:15:48.000 I have not heard a politician use the word invent.

00:15:51.000 It reminds me of create.

00:15:54.000 Invent and create are very similar.

00:15:56.000 He looks at himself as a godlike figure, that he gets to make new out of nothing.

00:16:03.000 Ex nihilo.

00:16:05.000 This is creeping up on us.

00:16:07.000 And from the built-in assumption, the built-in premise of the climate hoax is carbon is bad.

00:16:15.000 Okay, well, carbon is life, actually.

00:16:18.000 You can't have anything without carbon at all.

00:16:20.000 Literally.

00:16:22.000 Life is built on carbons.

00:16:23.000 They say, well, carbon dioxide is bad.

00:16:26.000 Well, how much carbon dioxide is bad?

00:16:28.000 Don't plants thrive on carbon dioxide?

00:16:30.000 The earth is greener than any other time it has been in the history of the world.

00:16:35.000 What is causing rising global temperatures?

00:16:37.000 These people are arrogant enough to believe, but they actually know it at their core.

00:16:40.000 They know it's not a climate crisis.

00:16:42.000 They see it as an excuse to justify a totalitarian administrative state power grab over our freedom and liberty.

00:16:49.000 COVID was a temporary thing.

00:16:51.000 We pushed back against it.

00:16:53.000 Mass migration is part of it as well.

00:16:55.000 But the one that is sneaking up on us, everybody, is earth worship environmentalism.

00:17:00.000 We have to be prepared in more than one way to refute it, to debate it, and not bend the knee at the green calf.

00:17:09.000 It's not going to be the golden calf.

00:17:11.000 It will be the green calf that comes forward in this generation and makes us forsake our traditions, our customs, our liberties, and our freedoms. 0.99

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00:18:58.000 Very important book.

00:18:59.000 So it's called Untennable, The True Story of White Ethnic Flight from America Cities by Jack Cashel.

00:19:05.000 So there is a narrative that stems from academia that the traditional explanation of quote-unquote white ethnic flight was just simply and solely because of racism.

00:19:17.000 Jack has a different view.

00:19:20.000 And when he gets on, I'm going to read an excerpt up here and it will segue perfectly into our segment.

00:19:24.000 But the sloppiness that goes into people's analysis of everything can be blamed on racism.

00:19:31.000 It's very, very harmful.

00:19:34.000 Thomas Sowell dedicated his best book, which is Discrimination and Disparities, on this idea that if there is a disparity, racism is not necessarily to blame.

00:19:46.000 In fact, it's probably not to blame.

00:19:48.000 If you're able to ever introduce other explanations for disparities, the regime becomes less powerful.

00:19:55.000 Look at the Jason Aldean thing.

00:19:56.000 Jason Aldean is out there playing country music and they say he must be a racist.

00:20:01.000 Now, they only use, they only throw out the frisbee of racism if it's helpful for them.

00:20:09.000 They don't do that when they obviously act in bigoted and terrible ways.

00:20:16.000 And so now we have Jack Cashel, which is great.

00:20:18.000 Jack, welcome to the program.

00:20:20.000 I'm going to read this part of your book.

00:20:20.000 Thank you.

00:20:22.000 I think it's a great segue.

00:20:23.000 I asked one lifelong friend, a rare Democrat among the displaced, why he and his widowed mother finally left our block in the early 1970s, 20 years after the first black family moved in.

00:20:34.000 He searched a minute for the right set of words and he simply said, quote, it became untenable.

00:20:38.000 When I asked what he meant by untenable, he answered, when your mother gets mugged for the second time, that's untenable.

00:20:43.000 When your home gets broken into the second time, that's untenable.

00:20:46.000 In researching this project, I found myself repeatedly stunned by the failure of self-described experts on white flight to ask those accused of fleeing why they had fled.

00:20:55.000 The reason the experts didn't ask, I discovered, is because they were afraid of what they might learn.

00:21:00.000 What did you learn and what were people afraid of learning, Jack Cashle?

00:21:04.000 Learning, Charlie, and that's an excellent quote to begin with, because my friend's story, Times a Million, is a story of white flight.

00:21:11.000 And, you know, there was an op-ed in the New York Times just a few years ago that I found actually kind of amusing.

00:21:18.000 This woman named Zalia Bustan, Professor Princeton, award-winning author of a book on white flight.

00:21:26.000 She goes through the, she imagines herself like a Trump, like a Democratic strategist right after Trump's victory in 2016, saying, what caused it?

00:21:37.000 Was it economic insecurity or was it just pure racism?

00:21:41.000 And so she concludes it's a mixture of the both.

00:21:44.000 And then she ends her article by saying, you know, the odd thing is that none of these people left accounts and they probably don't even know why they left, right?

00:21:53.000 I had just interviewed 50 people who knew exactly why they left and they were prepared to tell her.

00:22:00.000 And, you know, as a go into the comment section of the New York Times, distrusting the New York Times readers, but one after another of the commenters gave these harrowing, hair-raising stories about why they were forced to leave neighborhoods they loved.

00:22:16.000 And they said, how can you possibly, several of them said, how can you possibly write an article about white flight without mentioning crime or schools?

00:22:25.000 And that really cut to the heart of it because the people who are sending the narrative have never talked to the people who were the victims of their narrative.

00:22:33.000 Why do you think that is?

00:22:36.000 You know, I think because there's a deep case of 60s denialism going on.

00:22:41.000 There's several phenomena that happened more or less in the 60s that they're responsible for.

00:22:47.000 One of which was the, you know, these variety of social programs that made it impractical to have a married husband in the house.

00:22:56.000 The other was the moral loosening in the culture that made it acceptable to not have a married husband in the house, but to have children outside of marriage.

00:23:06.000 And the combination of the two, Charlie, led to a collapse of the black family and with it, a crumbling of inner city black culture that no one wants to talk about. 0.95

00:23:20.000 So the consensus of academia, I go to a college campus and they'll say one of the reasons why black America struggles is because of quote unquote white flight, this amount of people that left.

00:23:32.000 Let's just take my home city of Chicago, right?

00:23:34.000 Certain cities that used to be white working class.

00:23:37.000 You know, I think of Cicero.

00:23:38.000 I think of, you know, where the book The Jungle was written, right?

00:23:42.000 Kind of South, you know, it was, it was very Polish, very Czechoslovakian, very Bohemian, and very Irish, and it's not very much that way anymore.

00:23:52.000 The only acceptable explanation when you mention this is because the Czechoslovakians and the Poles were racist.

00:23:59.000 What you're saying, though, is that, well, no, it's actually because their homes and their communities, their local churches and the places they loved became unrecognizable.

00:24:11.000 Build that out.

00:24:13.000 Right, sure.

00:24:14.000 And I'll give you a couple of Chicago examples because I talk about them in the book.

00:24:18.000 One is Michelle Obama.

00:24:20.000 You know, her family, her father's a ward healer, a precinct captain for the daily machine.

00:24:25.000 And they're living pretty comfortably in an enclave called Parkway Gardens, which was a co-op, you know, a very high-end black co-op.

00:24:34.000 Their neighborhood collapses around them.

00:24:37.000 So Michelle's mother, Marion Robinson, who's a good, responsible parent, refuses to send Michelle and her brother Craig to the neighborhood public school, even though it's brand new.

00:24:48.000 And they send them to a neighborhood in South Shore, which you probably know, which at that time was still, it had been Jewish and it was transitioning.

00:24:57.000 No, that's right.

00:24:58.000 But the schools, and it was a classy misdemeanor to do what Marion Robinson did, which was to drive her children 15 minutes away from their neighborhood to go to put them in a school that wasn't in their neighborhood. 0.87

00:25:13.000 They went to Whitney.

00:25:14.000 Then they moved.

00:25:15.000 I think she went to Whitney Young High School, if I'm not mistaken.

00:25:17.000 For high school, right?

00:25:18.000 And what they did with Brother Craig, because there's an old black high school down the street, but for Craig, Marion took a second job to send him to a Catholic school, even though they weren't Catholic.

00:25:31.000 So everyone was affected by the collapse of the culture, the inner city culture.

00:25:35.000 Blacks, whites, Asians, Hispanics. 1.00

00:25:37.000 It's only the whites were singled out for shame. 0.99

00:25:37.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:25:40.000 Well, that's right.

00:25:41.000 So talk also about the, and again, I'm just going to keep going back to Chicago, because I think Chicago, I mean, Detroit's a good example, but Chicago is one I know really well.

00:25:48.000 So you have these 1960 programs where crime exploded, illegitimacy exploded, you had moral chaos explosion.

00:25:56.000 And, you know, we kind of memory hold how catastrophic the 1960s were from a public policy standpoint.

00:26:04.000 One of the things that also happened, though, was Caprini Green and this idea of public projects and vertical housing and almost forced assimilation, which, I mean, if anyone knows where Caprini Green is, it wasn't near Kamiski.

00:26:20.000 Caprini Green was on the north side in the most unusual place.

00:26:24.000 Talk about kind of central planners that went nuts with this idea of forced assimilation and the consequences of that.

00:26:31.000 And, you know, it's an interesting question, Charlie, because we're going through that again now.

00:26:34.000 Yes, we are.

00:26:37.000 And you're right.

00:26:38.000 Cabrini Green is a desirable neighborhood.

00:26:41.000 In fact, oddly, Michelle Obama was part of the team that tore it down in this place to all those people who lived.

00:26:49.000 But yeah, it was a, they would, they had this idea.

00:26:52.000 And half, you know what happens in my native Newark?

00:26:56.000 I saw it up close in Chicago as well.

00:26:58.000 The dreamers meet the schemers, right?

00:27:00.000 So the dreamers think, oh, we have nice new buildings.

00:27:03.000 We can change people's lives.

00:27:05.000 The schemers are saying, huh, I got a demolition company that can make some bucks off of that.

00:27:08.000 That's exactly right.

00:27:09.000 And the construction company can build some up.

00:27:12.000 So they build these high-rises.

00:27:14.000 Here's the thing that they won't acknowledge is that initially they worked.

00:27:21.000 For the first few years, they worked as long as the families in those buildings were intact nuclear families.

00:27:28.000 And I found this one book that was very useful for me.

00:27:32.000 It was a story by a book by an unpublished book by a guy named George Langston Cook, who was a, who grew up in Columbus Homes, which is Newark, New Jersey's most notorious project.

00:27:46.000 For the first few years he was there, he said it was heaven, you know, because all his old nuclear families, blah, blah, blah, everyone got along. 0.90

00:27:52.000 Milkmen came to the door. 1.00

00:27:54.000 We did house calls, you know.

00:27:56.000 The buildings were, everything was beautiful.

00:27:58.000 It worked.

00:27:59.000 The maintenance was spectacular.

00:28:01.000 And then he says, and he's a black guy and he's, you know, from a family of six.

00:28:05.000 And he's saying, then the welfare family started coming into these buildings.

00:28:10.000 So it wasn't so much the buildings as it was the families and then the concentration of those families and again.

00:28:17.000 Cloistering.

00:28:18.000 That's exactly right.

00:28:19.000 Yes.

00:28:21.000 And they want to do that now, which is crazy.

00:28:23.000 Yeah.

00:28:23.000 I mean, we don't need to go too far down that rabbit hole, but Caprini Green was so interesting.

00:28:28.000 It was home to 15,000 people.

00:28:30.000 And it was in this desirable neighborhood right near Streeterville.

00:28:33.000 And it stuck out like a sore thumb.

00:28:36.000 I remember growing up, Caprini Green was still in somewhat of existence.

00:28:41.000 It was demolished, I think, in 2010, 2011, but you did not get near it.

00:28:44.000 You did not get within two blocks of it.

00:28:47.000 And it was the center of all this gang activity.

00:28:50.000 It was cloistered like black gang activity in what otherwise was a super, super nice neighborhood.

00:28:57.000 So we have about a minute remaining.

00:28:59.000 Why does it matter to tell the story accurately on white flight?

00:29:02.000 What is just, isn't this just kind of a silly coffee table academic exercise?

00:29:07.000 Why does it matter to tell the truth about this?

00:29:09.000 What are the consequences of this?

00:29:11.000 Well, you know, just as you suggested, Charlie, the consequences are that we're repeating our mistakes.

00:29:17.000 And we think we can change human nature by, you know, with a magic wand and we cannot.

00:29:24.000 But I wanted to write this book to vindicate those millions of people from Newark to Chicago to Detroit to Milwaukee.

00:29:32.000 That's right.

00:29:34.000 They need to be able to explain it to their children as to why they are where they are and how they got there.

00:29:40.000 No, that's so smart.

00:29:41.000 And that's my.

00:29:43.000 No, I don't mean to interrupt.

00:29:44.000 That's my on my mom's side.

00:29:49.000 My great-grandmother grew up in a Polish working class family in a neighborhood now where if you got near it, you get shot. 1.00

00:29:57.000 Like you have a better chance to get shot than anything else.

00:30:00.000 It's about 20 blocks south of Kamiski Park, right near 47th Street or 51st Street, one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago.

00:30:07.000 And then on my wife's side, her family grew up in Chicago, right near Midway Airport, which is still a little bit working class, but it's largely been.

00:30:14.000 And there is this kind of sort of Damocles where you send your kids off to college and they believe that now they go back and tell their grandparents you were racist.

00:30:23.000 It's actually, it is vindicating your ancestors is what you're doing.

00:30:27.000 I think that's really smart and it's so important.

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00:31:44.000 The book, super interesting and, I mean, untenable, the true story of white ethnic flight from America cities. 0.87

00:31:51.000 Yeah, I mean, my grandparents and my great-grandparents moved out of Chicago because of crime.

00:31:56.000 That's how it was always taught to us.

00:31:57.000 But professors say, oh, it's because they were racist.

00:32:01.000 Yeah, they didn't want to get murdered.

00:32:03.000 So Jack Cashel is with us.

00:32:04.000 So Jack, in your historical estimation, why is it that blacks have such high, why are they, why are the single motherhood rates so great in the black community?

00:32:15.000 It's, you know, they were somewhat vulnerable as the last immigrant group to come to America, I mean, to come to the cities, I should say.

00:32:24.000 The Italians, the Poles, the Irish had gotten there in the early part of the 20th century.

00:32:29.000 Then they cut off immigration in 1924 from the south and east of Europe.

00:32:35.000 But the black great migration continues into the cities. 0.98

00:32:39.000 And when they start arriving in the cities, the kind of the ethos is changing away from becoming a nation where people are held responsible for their own behavior to one where the social workers, et cetera, are rushing in saying, you're not at fault.

00:32:55.000 It's the system's fault.

00:32:57.000 We can help you.

00:32:58.000 We'll give you food stamps.

00:32:59.000 We'll give you welfare.

00:33:01.000 We'll give you reduced rents.

00:33:04.000 And we'll give you just about and Medicaid.

00:33:08.000 The only catch is you can't have a married man in the household.

00:33:12.000 And it was their late arrival into the cities that made them as vulnerable as they were.

00:33:19.000 And it was unfortunate.

00:33:20.000 Yeah, so the tailored policy programs by Lyndon Baines Johnson and others were subsidizing single motherhood.

00:33:26.000 Is that a fair way to say it?

00:33:29.000 That's absolutely right.

00:33:30.000 And it was happening at the same time Hollywood was saying, oh, it's okay to be a single mother.

00:33:34.000 And, you know, we'd see some movie star with a, you know, a child and it was all hunky-dory.

00:33:40.000 But the net result was, and, you know, it's curious.

00:33:43.000 I've spent a lot of time in Ireland.

00:33:45.000 I'm seeing that there among their native white populations.

00:33:48.000 You know, they introduce welfare and the culture breaks down.

00:33:50.000 So some American was, a tourist was nearly killed there the other day.

00:33:55.000 And it was native kids, you know, from fatherless homes.

00:33:58.000 And it's a sure recipe.

00:34:01.000 You know, we had one moment, though, Charlie, where we could have turned the tide.

00:34:06.000 And that came in 2008.

00:34:08.000 Barack Obama.

00:34:09.000 He's running for president.

00:34:11.000 I don't know if you remember this, but he was in Chicago with the Apostolic Church of God side.

00:34:16.000 And he gives this brilliant Father's Day address.

00:34:19.000 And he's a good father.

00:34:20.000 He sets a good role model.

00:34:22.000 And he says to them, he says, if we're to be honest with ourselves, we have to admit that the real problem in our community is the absence of fathers in the household.

00:34:31.000 Too many boys, too many men are acting like boys and abandoning their responsibilities.

00:34:36.000 And then he goes through the litany of crises that occur when fatherlessness is omnipresent, 10 times more likely to end up in prison, 12 times more likely to commit crime, 20 times more likely to end up in poverty, et cetera, et cetera, down the whole list.

00:34:54.000 It was an excellent speech, the kind of speech you should have been giving.

00:34:57.000 He was a candidate then in 2008, Father's Day.

00:35:00.000 Hillary's head of the race.

00:35:01.000 He's moving to the center.

00:35:03.000 And Jesse Jackson gets picked up on a hot mic two weeks later at a Fox News studio, as though Jesse didn't know he was going to be picked up.

00:35:12.000 And there he was.

00:35:13.000 And I will spare your audience exactly what he said, but it was brutal.

00:35:18.000 And it came with a cutting motion.

00:35:21.000 And Barack Obama never said anything about fatherlessness in any serious way again.

00:35:27.000 I mean, just cut it off.

00:35:28.000 So, I mean, without getting too deep into the motivations, about a minute remaining, why is it that the Democrat Party is at odds with fathers?

00:35:36.000 I mean, is it as Machiavellian as if father rate, if fathers go back into the homes and they're publicly advocated, the tyrants become less powerful?

00:35:44.000 Well, the black single females is the single greatest cohort, the most dependable cohort in the party. 0.73

00:35:52.000 And they're married to the government now and they know it.

00:35:57.000 And if that government turns on them and the Democratic Party turns on them, they'll have to rethink everything.

00:36:05.000 Look what they did to Robert Kennedy the other day.

00:36:07.000 They can't.

00:36:08.000 Their best card is the race card, and they'll pull it even on their own.

00:36:11.000 That's right.

00:36:12.000 And we're going to have you back on, Jack, because you talk about topics that it seems like you don't care when people call you the R-word.

00:36:20.000 I tell you, the super weapon that we have against these toxic Marxist movement is just not care when they call you a racist.

00:36:30.000 Just don't care.

00:36:31.000 And all of a sudden, they become significantly less powerful.

00:36:33.000 Final thoughts, Jack Cashel.

00:36:35.000 You are absolutely right about that.

00:36:37.000 I participated in a, I live in Kansas City in a debate on reparations, televised debate.

00:36:44.000 They couldn't find the second person to be on my side.

00:36:48.000 They had a little car far and wide.

00:36:50.000 And I said, sure, bring it on.

00:36:51.000 I'll take it on.

00:36:52.000 Yeah, in Kansas.

00:36:53.000 Yeah, I mean, by the way, I'll join you at any time.

00:36:56.000 That would be really fun.

00:36:57.000 What's hilarious is that 80% of Kansas agrees with you.

00:37:00.000 They can't find a single person because they don't want to be called a racist.

00:37:03.000 Jack Cashel, we're going to have you back on.

00:37:04.000 You're great.

00:37:05.000 Thank you.

00:37:06.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 25, 2023

The Truth About "White Flight" with Jack Cashill and Kathy Spence

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