The Charlie Kirk Show - The Truth Will Set You Free...And Hopefully Imprison Hunter Biden, with Chris Buskirk and J.P. Mac Isaac

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00:01:25.000 John Paul McIsaak, who discovered the Hunter Biden laptop, was smeared by the media, has gone through a hellish experience.

00:01:34.000 But now CBS News is even admitting, it's all true.

00:01:39.000 We've discovered the Hunter Biden laptop is true two years later.

00:01:42.000 These total frauds play cut 68.

00:01:45.000 Two of Hunter Biden's former business partners, including Tony Bobolinski, who received the email, told CBS News the 10 held by H for the big guy is shorthand for 10% held by Hunter for his father.

00:01:58.000 Last month, Senator Chuck Grassley wrote this letter alleging bank records and financial data showed that Hunter Biden and the president's brother profited from a $5 million wire from a company connected to CEFC, the Chinese energy firm.

00:02:13.000 After two years of scrutiny, the laptop has not produced evidence President Biden directly benefited from his son's business deals.

00:02:20.000 So joining us now is John Paul McIsaak.

00:02:23.000 John, welcome to the program.

00:02:26.000 Thanks for having me on the show.

00:02:27.000 So John, tell us the story.

00:02:28.000 For those people that haven't heard, how did you come across Hunter Biden's laptop?

00:02:33.000 Well, on April 12th, 2019, Hunter Biden came into my shop with three liquid damaged laptops.

00:02:41.000 I was able to check in one, two, I left with him.

00:02:44.000 That one laptop, when I checked it in, performed a data recovery.

00:02:48.000 That's what he came in for.

00:02:49.000 He didn't come in for a repair.

00:02:50.000 He came in for a data recovery.

00:02:52.000 So I was kind of forced to recover the data, manually recover it, verify it.

00:02:58.000 That's what I realized, that there was a lot of homemade porn and drug use.

00:03:04.000 But I also saw some other documents that were kind of a concern.

00:03:08.000 They showed a lot of exchange, the exchange of a lot of money.

00:03:12.000 And then ultimately, I would discover that that was a lot of money being exchanged for access to the office of the vice president.

00:03:19.000 Now, there's some speculation that on the laptop there was illegal forms of pornography.

00:03:24.000 Can you speak to that?

00:03:26.000 You know, I've never felt really comfortable about talking about the actual contents of the laptop with anybody other than people of authority and the authorities.

00:03:35.000 I can say that the 80,000 images of CP that were reported to be on the laptop, that's false.

00:03:44.000 There is some, there's some disturbing images revolving family members, and I'll just leave it at that.

00:03:50.000 Okay, yeah, that's fair.

00:03:51.000 So let me ask you, how do you personally feel after having been basically character assassinated for years?

00:03:58.000 And now, CBS News is coming out and acting as if they knew this all along.

00:04:03.000 Well, you know, I knew it was going to be a gamble when CBS approached my lawyer about three, four months ago requesting a copy of the laptop.

00:04:13.000 I knew that it was a risk giving them access, but also what they could do, tried to twist the story and tried to damage my reputation more than they already had.

00:04:24.000 It turns out the gamble paid off.

00:04:26.000 I was impressed with their coverage of it.

00:04:29.000 It's a little day late and dollars short, but I'm glad they decided to join the party.

00:04:35.000 The question is, is kind of why now.

00:04:38.000 But I'll leave that to other people to speculate.

00:04:40.000 Well, I'll speculate.

00:04:42.000 I think it's because they want to get rid of Joe Biden.

00:04:43.000 Tell us about the book that you have published or that you've written about this entire saga.

00:04:50.000 Well, I never thought I'd be an author.

00:04:52.000 I'll tell you that.

00:04:54.000 It really all started when I got defeated by Twitter in the court of law.

00:04:59.000 I tried to sue Twitter for defamation when they labeled my actions hacking when they decided to block the New York Post story and then block people's accounts and throttle the conversation.

00:05:12.000 Because if I was ever going to fix people's computers again, having the label hacker was just a death sentence in my industry.

00:05:18.000 So I figured the only way I was going to, if I couldn't, if I couldn't defend myself and hold those accountable in a court of law, then a book was going to be my only way of holding people accountable in a court of public opinion.

00:05:30.000 And I wrote the book and I didn't think it was going to get published because people still thought I was a Russian agent or this is all part of a plot from the Kremlin.

00:05:38.000 Eventually, though, Miranda Devine, who wrote The Laptop from Hell, saved my bacon. 0.99

00:05:44.000 She was able to put me in front of her publisher and things got moving.

00:05:47.000 And now I have a book out.

00:05:50.000 What do you think people are going to learn in this book when they get it?

00:05:53.000 And the book, by the way, is American Injustice, My Battle to Expose the Truth.

00:05:57.000 Well, I think it should be a cautionary tale.

00:06:01.000 There's two stories, and I think the more important story is not revolving around a guy with a drug problem and a sex addiction that left three laptops at my shop or one laptop at my shop.

00:06:13.000 I think the story is more of this is what happens when our mainstream and social media collude with our federal agencies that have been weaponized politically.

00:06:21.000 And this is the outcome.

00:06:22.000 And they decided to block my story, replace the narrative with this Russian collusion, and push that on to the American people.

00:06:32.000 And they took away my opportunity to tell my story.

00:06:35.000 So this book allows me to tell the story.

00:06:38.000 They can't shadow ban this book.

00:06:40.000 They can't block it on YouTube.

00:06:42.000 So this is my story and my effort to get the truth out.

00:06:48.000 Yeah.

00:06:48.000 I mean, and you read some of these headlines here.

00:06:51.000 It's extraordinary.

00:06:52.000 I mean, we look at what the media did.

00:06:56.000 Are Trump allies peddling Russian disinformation about the Bidens?

00:06:59.000 What we know and don't know about Hunter Biden and a laptop.

00:07:02.000 Hunter Biden email story has all the hallmarks of a Russian campaign, 50 senior U.S. Intel officials say.

00:07:07.000 You were smeared as a Russian agent.

00:07:11.000 Yeah, I think that's why one reason why I fight so hard now is I don't want my family's name, which has been a military family decorated.

00:07:19.000 My father is decorated, colonel in the Air Force.

00:07:21.000 Half my family is retired or active.

00:07:24.000 So it's kind of, it's the family profession.

00:07:26.000 The last thing I want is to be have that family name known as colluding with a foreign power to affect a presidential election.

00:07:34.000 I mean, and it all just landed in your lap and you tried to do the right thing, right?

00:07:39.000 You repeatedly tried to contact Hunter Biden for quite some time to return the property.

00:07:44.000 Is that right?

00:07:45.000 Yeah, I sent him an automated bill from Square.

00:07:48.000 I reached out to him multiple times.

00:07:50.000 I knew his phone worked because I called him when the data recovery was complete to have him come in and drop off a hard drive.

00:07:56.000 And he did.

00:07:57.000 So I knew he was getting his voicemail messages.

00:07:59.000 I just don't know why.

00:08:00.000 After April 17th, when I sent the bill out, he never came back and picked it up.

00:08:07.000 Really, it really is shocking.

00:08:08.000 Anything else about the book you want our audience to know or about your story in general?

00:08:12.000 And I also want to thank you for your courage and perseverance throughout this entire drama.

00:08:17.000 Well, I want to, first off, I just want to let everybody who has supported me either by buying the book or by just a prayer or anything in between.

00:08:27.000 I'm eternally grateful.

00:08:29.000 I would not have been able to make it this far or get the book done if it wasn't for the feeling that I had of half the nation behind me.

00:08:37.000 So thank you.

00:08:38.000 Well, God bless you.

00:08:39.000 Thank you so much.

00:08:39.000 And please check out the book, everybody.

00:08:41.000 It is American Injustice by John Paul McIsaak, my battle to expose the truth.

00:08:46.000 Everyone, go check it out.

00:08:47.000 Thank you so much.

00:08:48.000 Thank you.

00:08:49.000 Let's go to here.

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00:08:52.000 GLAD, which I think is the gay lesbian something, something, talks about in terms of gender-affirming care, the AMA and Pediatric Association have confirmed that surgeries are safe. 0.96

00:09:02.000 They are saying that it's safe to chemically castrate your children and medically mutilate your kids.

00:09:08.000 I really wonder that in some of these battleground districts that didn't go our way, if we would have talked more about this issue, PlayCut 57.

00:09:14.000 In terms of trans kids and gender-affirming care, the American Medical Association, the Pediatric Association, has confirmed that these are safe procedures.

00:09:26.000 This is finished business.

00:09:28.000 It's politicians and junk science who's creating some kind of debate or argument about this. 0.98

00:09:35.000 You hear that it is safe to chop off your nine-year-old's parts. 0.96

00:09:39.000 It's safe to give your child Lupron. 0.95

00:09:41.000 It is safe to chemically castrate your children.

00:09:45.000 What the AMA says.

00:09:47.000 An entire multi-billion dollar industry has been created around preying on children, administering drugs they do not need, convincing them to go in for surgery that they're told is going to be a wonderful thing to them.

00:10:06.000 But what is her exact language?

00:10:07.000 She says it is settled science in terms of gender-affirming care.

00:10:12.000 My position on this remains the same in counseling and in psychology and in medicine.

00:10:18.000 It is not the job of the professional to affirm the sick person.

00:10:23.000 You do not give liposuction to someone who has anorexia.

00:10:28.000 You do not affirm someone's mental illness.

00:10:31.000 You challenge them and heal them into a place where they could be at peace and they can flourish.

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00:12:07.000 There's a lot to be thankful for this week, including Anthony Fauci no longer being in our government.

00:12:17.000 No, I haven't seen the last of Anthony Fauci.

00:12:20.000 I got to tell you.

00:12:21.000 We got to get him back in front of Congress.

00:12:24.000 We got to get this leadership fight figured out.

00:12:26.000 We got to get committees filled and then we got to start sending subpoenas out like frisbees to every single one of these people.

00:12:33.000 Fauci gave his final message today at the White House, PlayCut 69.

00:12:39.000 So my message and my final message, maybe the final message I give you from this podium, is that please, for your own safety, for that of your family, get your updated COVID-19 shot as soon as you're eligible to protect yourself, your family, and your community.

00:12:56.000 This guy never stops.

00:12:58.000 Paid to you by Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, and Johnson Johnson.

00:13:03.000 Fauci continues.

00:13:04.000 He says, the real danger is those of us that have not been vaccinated.

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00:13:12.000 Vaccinated and unboosted versus vaccinated plus boosted.

00:13:16.000 That doesn't mean you shouldn't get boosted, but the real danger is in the people who have not been vaccinated.

00:13:22.000 So that's where we expect if we're going to see a problem this winter, it's going to.

00:13:27.000 Yeah, if you see a problem, it's going to be the unvaccinated people. 1.00

00:13:31.000 Dr. Anthony Fauci is the worst of the fourth branch of government.

00:13:35.000 There has to be a mandate for this new Republican House of Representatives to put on full display the lying, the cheating, the stealing, the deceit, the self-enrichment of Anthony Fauci.

00:13:50.000 Anthony Fauci was never elected by anybody.

00:13:52.000 Anthony Fauci, who's largely unknown to most people, and unlimited amounts of power to be able to make money from private actors and still run a government agency, the highest paid employee in the federal government.

00:14:04.000 And we're still being lectured, morally told that if you do not get the experimental gene therapy that they call the vaccine, you are a bad person.

00:14:13.000 That's what Anthony Fauci says.

00:14:15.000 The language sounds awfully similar to what I think Anthony Fauci wants to say.

00:14:20.000 It's just, we're not Canada.

00:14:21.000 We're not going to be Canada anytime soon.

00:14:23.000 Dr. Mackus of Canada, listen to how he talks about unvaccinated people.

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00:14:29.000 That any of their unvaccinated patients, that they should consider that they have a mental problem and that they should be put on psychiatric medication. 0.81

00:14:39.000 So far, it's just a suggestion, but the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario should not be making these kinds of suggestions.

00:14:46.000 This is extremely unethical, and this is a very, very slippery slope.

00:14:50.000 If they're suggesting that people who wish to have bodily autonomy and don't want an experimental vaccine, that there may be something mentally wrong with them, that is a very, very dangerous, slippery slope that we're on.

00:15:03.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:15:03.000 So that is, that's not some fringe person saying that.

00:15:06.000 That is the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario sending out a memo that if you do not get vaccinated, you need to get on benzodiazepans, Zolof, and Xanax immediately.

00:15:19.000 That you have a chemical imbalance, that you need to be medicated.

00:15:23.000 I mean, it's very clear, isn't it?

00:15:25.000 It's that if you have a free thinking bone in your body, if you have a liberty-loving fiber in your being, we have to medicate you.

00:15:37.000 If you love liberty and you might have some fears about tyranny or, I don't know, fears about the experimental gene therapy, we're going to put you on antidepressants.

00:15:49.000 We're going to put you on psychiatric drugs.

00:15:52.000 You might say, oh, Charlie, that will never happen here.

00:15:55.000 How many times do we have to say that of what happens to our neighbors to the north and it creeps on down to America?

00:16:01.000 How many times from the trucker resistance to the debanking campaigns to social media suppression to ESG to the environmentalism?

00:16:11.000 All of it starts with Canada.

00:16:15.000 Doesn't start there, but it's incubated there and then it comes over here.

00:16:18.000 The official board of the physicians and surgeons of Ontario saying that if you are unvaccinated, you should be put on psychiatric drugs.

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00:17:32.000 As we continue to reflect back on the midterm elections, it's important that we learn the right lessons and not the wrong lessons, because there is a deliberate campaign by the establishment unit party to tell us that it's because we nominated two conservative candidates and that we need to go back to the ways of John McCain and Jeff Flake.

00:17:54.000 And that's what they're trying to tell us.

00:17:57.000 Well, here to help us navigate all of it is Chris Buzzkirk, great American and very smart thinker.

00:18:01.000 Chris, welcome back to the program.

00:18:04.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.

00:18:05.000 Good to see you.

00:18:05.000 Yeah, you too.

00:18:06.000 Sorry I couldn't make your deal last week, but a lot of things happening.

00:18:10.000 So, Chris, let's kind of start on the surface level here.

00:18:13.000 What do you think went right for America First Conservatives two weeks ago?

00:18:21.000 Well, I'll tell you what.

00:18:22.000 Here's where I would start with that is it wasn't two weeks ago.

00:18:25.000 It was a year ago, but we got some really, really good, smart candidates to run.

00:18:33.000 And that's where all this stuff starts, right?

00:18:35.000 You've got to get good quality candidates out there to run.

00:18:37.000 And I know as you were kind of saying just a second ago, there's a narrative that is being attempted to be foisted upon us, which is that we ran a bunch of terrible candidates.

00:18:48.000 I mean, there were some that were, you know, C's.

00:18:51.000 There were some that were D's.

00:18:52.000 There were some that were A triple pluses.

00:18:55.000 Yeah, you know who I'm thinking about.

00:18:56.000 Yes.

00:18:57.000 Like Blake Masters here in Arizona, like JD Vance in Ohio.

00:19:00.000 You know, there were a handful of these folks out there who they're the person that everybody always says they want to run for office.

00:19:08.000 They are smart.

00:19:10.000 They have good educations.

00:19:11.000 They are on the, they have other things they could be doing with their lives.

00:19:15.000 They've been successful in business.

00:19:17.000 Yes.

00:19:17.000 They're good family people.

00:19:19.000 They are churchmen themselves.

00:19:21.000 Like, you know, they're people of faith.

00:19:22.000 These are the guys you're saying, like, God, why don't we get this type of person to run for office?

00:19:27.000 Well, it's because these people, you know, they got other things going on.

00:19:29.000 Well, you know, people like JD and people with like Blake here in Arizona.

00:19:33.000 These are those guys.

00:19:34.000 And it started, it started with recruiting folks like that to run.

00:19:38.000 There's good and bad with that.

00:19:40.000 The good is that those are the people we want running the country.

00:19:42.000 Those are the people we want in office. 0.96

00:19:44.000 Bad is that those people are as much a threat to the incumbent establishment, even on our side politically, as they are to the opposite side.

00:19:57.000 And they know that.

00:19:59.000 Like they can see these guys come and they're like, wow, they're young, they're hungry, they're smart, they're accomplished, and maybe they're coming for our jobs too.

00:20:07.000 They're not just, and as a result, and you saw it, you saw it here with Blake in Arizona.

00:20:13.000 Blake got Blake got a lot of support from the grassroots.

00:20:17.000 Blake got a lot of support from the America First Donor Community.

00:20:20.000 Blake got absolutely nothing from the establishment.

00:20:26.000 He got left hung out to drive by people like Mitch McConnell and the super PEC that he runs.

00:20:31.000 Yeah, and that just talks about, I mean, that's just the surface level.

00:20:35.000 By the way, Chris is behind American Greatness, great website.

00:20:40.000 You guys should check it out, amgreatness.org.

00:20:42.000 So, Chris, I guess let's also then let's go into what went wrong.

00:20:47.000 You were one of the few people that early, early, early were warning and cautioning that the era of vote by mail is here and that voting early needs to be strategically embraced.

00:20:59.000 Yeah.

00:20:59.000 And that was a controversial take.

00:21:03.000 You know, my own feelings were: okay, maybe in-person election day, but because, you know, for a lot of reasons, game day voting, and obviously that didn't work very well in Arizona.

00:21:12.000 We were ambushed and sabotaged with machine failures, amongst other things.

00:21:17.000 So how should we think about vote by mail?

00:21:19.000 I mean, is it time to embrace it?

00:21:21.000 Because there's a lot of people that have legitimate ballot security concerns.

00:21:25.000 Is there a happy medium there?

00:21:27.000 Yeah, I guess let me start by saying, saying this: the absolute 100% platonic ideal of elections is everybody votes on one day in person.

00:21:40.000 Like that's the best scenario.

00:21:43.000 We see it in countries all around the world.

00:21:47.000 I mean, people like to take France as an example because they do it with paper and pencil and they do it.

00:21:53.000 It's very old school and they know the results at like 10 or 11 p.m. on election day, which we have been informed is totally impossible.

00:22:02.000 And yet it happens.

00:22:03.000 And France isn't the only country.

00:22:04.000 There's countries all over the world that do it exactly this way.

00:22:06.000 And everybody's tucked into bed at 10:30 or 11 and they know who won the election.

00:22:11.000 And yet, for some reason, the country that claims to be the most advanced democracy on the planet says, we can't do that.

00:22:18.000 There's just no possible way.

00:22:20.000 Counting, you know, paper, pencil, no, that's archaic.

00:22:23.000 But the countries that do it actually count ballots faster than we do.

00:22:27.000 So anyway, not to belabor the point, but that is actually the ideal is to do it that way.

00:22:32.000 That is probably not going to happen anytime soon in this country.

00:22:38.000 Because even if there was sort of a ground 12 support, it would be a state by state.

00:22:45.000 So with that sort of as a backdrop, what I would say is this: is that Republicans need to do one thing, and that is to understand that there is a difference between the rules around the elections as they are currently written and the rules around elections as we would like them to be written.

00:23:04.000 And we can, you know, we should be able to walk and chew gum while we are working on a better set of rules around elections.

00:23:12.000 And that's everything from voter ID to whether it be day of, you know, how the mail imbalance are handled, all of those sorts of things.

00:23:19.000 There's real work to be done on that stuff in a bunch of states.

00:23:23.000 Not every state, because you do have states like Ohio and Florida that actually have reformed their elections and they're really functioning elections.

00:23:30.000 Yeah.

00:23:30.000 Yeah, no, right.

00:23:31.000 They're very good.

00:23:32.000 I mean, look at Florida.

00:23:33.000 Like Florida is like France. 0.60

00:23:34.000 Like everybody was in bed at 11 and knew who won.

00:23:36.000 Yeah, DeSantis.

00:23:38.000 It wasn't hard.

00:23:39.000 Right.

00:23:39.000 It was easy.

00:23:40.000 Oh, and it's interesting how the states that have performed their election procedures, how Republicans win by big margins there, isn't it?

00:23:47.000 So I would say, though, in a state where that is still a work in progress, you got to play by the rules as they are written.

00:23:55.000 You don't have to like the rules.

00:23:57.000 Like, what do they say?

00:23:58.000 Don't hate the player, hate the game.

00:24:00.000 And so what that means is embracing early balloting where it presently exists without having to love it.

00:24:07.000 But it does mean you cannot allow the Republican candidates to get behind.

00:24:14.000 And that's what we saw is that it's not only a matter of going out and collecting ballots where legal.

00:24:20.000 You know, there's legal ballot harvesting some states.

00:24:23.000 Even in Arizona, there's a version of ballot harvesting that is legal.

00:24:27.000 I mean, people say it is ballot harvesting, but basically if somebody's a family member in your household, like a husband with a wife, the husband is allowed to take the wife's ballot.

00:24:37.000 But whatever the rules are, abide by them, but maximize the amount of ballots that we are getting turned in legally, obviously, but maximize that according to the rules in your state, even while we are working on making a better set of rules.

00:24:54.000 Yeah.

00:24:54.000 And I mean, we have some evidence to suggest this video evidence as well.

00:24:58.000 But I mean, we know the left is breaking the rules.

00:25:00.000 We know they're ballot harvesting in Arizona.

00:25:02.000 It's just some of these dumps are just so uncharacteristic.

00:25:06.000 I refuse to believe that some of this is happening organically.

00:25:09.000 But so then I guess the question is then, Chris, do we need to then, you know, going now to 2024, do we now need to have a rather robust and aggressive campaign to say that we are going to have in-person early voting?

00:25:25.000 Is it time for us to get back?

00:25:26.000 We used to dominate early voting way back when.

00:25:28.000 I mean, conservative Republicans used to, we used to win elections thanks to early voting.

00:25:34.000 Now we do all game day all the time.

00:25:36.000 And just by simple logic, you're going to have a taper.

00:25:41.000 You're going to broaden the window of bad things to go to happen, like what happened in Anthem, for example, one of our Reddit precincts in Maricopa County, where there were two and a half, three hour waits.

00:25:53.000 We don't know.

00:25:53.000 I mean, Abe Hamaday almost guaranteed would have won if that wouldn't have happened.

00:25:57.000 And so how do we communicate that, though?

00:25:59.000 Because a lot of our listeners understandably don't want to vote early.

00:26:03.000 They want to vote on game day.

00:26:05.000 But maybe in-person early voting is something that we should embrace.

00:26:11.000 I think so.

00:26:12.000 I mean, look, I vote on Election Day.

00:26:14.000 I like doing it.

00:26:15.000 I just think that's the right way to do it.

00:26:17.000 And if somebody wants to vote early, God bless them.

00:26:22.000 I just like, I like Election Day.

00:26:23.000 I grew up, you know, watching my parents vote on Election Day.

00:26:26.000 And so I'm just, I'm in the habit of doing that.

00:26:28.000 And I'm, you know, like as no surprise, like I'm one of those voters who like would crawl across broken glass to get there on election day.

00:26:37.000 But I guess I would say this is that you talk about conservatives and Republicans dominating early voting in the in the distant past.

00:26:47.000 It's not even that distant.

00:26:48.000 In Arizona, we won the early vote in 2018.

00:26:52.000 Yep.

00:26:53.000 You know, so it's only four years ago that we were dominating this.

00:26:57.000 And that was that was not because we had an awesome turnout machine.

00:27:01.000 That was because Republicans, you know, Republicans like to vote.

00:27:04.000 Republicans are responsible about voting, et cetera.

00:27:07.000 That's historically sort of been the way it is.

00:27:10.000 There's a couple of cultural changes that have gone on.

00:27:13.000 One is there has been so much controversy around election integrity and election security since the 2020 election that a lot of Republicans who even only four years ago, they just mailed in their ballots in a place like Arizona.

00:27:26.000 They didn't do it.

00:27:27.000 They held their ballots and they either voted in person or they took their mail-in ballot and they just walked it in on election day.

00:27:37.000 So there was a bunch of that that was going on.

00:27:41.000 So there's that cultural shift where we have to sort of reorient our people back to just making sure they vote.

00:27:46.000 I mean, honestly, we really don't care if people who are on our side, I don't care if they vote on election day, if they do early in person or whatever, but they got to do it.

00:27:55.000 So there's that part because our turnout was down this year.

00:27:59.000 There's probably a lot of reasons behind that.

00:28:02.000 But the other thing that's sort of at a higher level that we need to be to really recognize and be more intentional about is that the Republican coalition has changed quite a bit over the years.

00:28:14.000 It was a sort of middle, upper middle class coalition.

00:28:17.000 It is now sort of more of a working class, middle class coalition.

00:28:22.000 And the working class, you know, I don't love that term.

00:28:26.000 It sounds sort of, it sounds sort of Marxist, but you know what I mean.

00:28:30.000 Muscular class or whatever.

00:28:31.000 The muscular class.

00:28:32.000 Okay, there we go.

00:28:33.000 Better yet.

00:28:33.000 The muscular class.

00:28:35.000 The muscular class is out moving drywall on election day.

00:28:39.000 The muscular class has other things going on.

00:28:43.000 We need to be people who are sort of in what you might call the operations element of politics need to make sure those people get turned out.

00:28:53.000 Like we need to have very robust turnout operations because at the margin, it makes a big difference whether we, you know, whether or not we are strongly motivating people to get out and vote.

00:29:06.000 I mean, this is basically old-fashioned Democrat union politics, right?

00:29:10.000 The unions turned out the muscular class for the Democrats for generations.

00:29:14.000 Well, a lot of that, a lot of that base has moved over to the Republican Party, but we don't have the apparatus or the infrastructure to do the turnout that the Democrats were doing.

00:29:23.000 And we need to because at the margin, we lose a meaningful percentage of those people who, for whatever reason, just don't vote.

00:29:31.000 Long gone are the days.

00:29:32.000 I mean, 2016 was magical where you just kind of can throw it against the wall and say, okay, everyone, show up.

00:29:38.000 I hope it works.

00:29:40.000 We don't do that anymore.

00:29:41.000 We have to do that.

00:29:42.000 Well, here's something about 2016, Charlie.

00:29:45.000 Sorry, is that Donald Trump is a one-man turnout machine for the muscular class.

00:29:50.000 Nobody else does that.

00:29:51.000 I've started to look at some data.

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00:31:30.000 He actually defies the laws of nature in that capacity.

00:31:35.000 And I think we've now tried to apply it to other cycles and other circumstances.

00:31:40.000 In this midterm election, we just assumed that we were going to see that turnout.

00:31:44.000 Now, turnout was pretty robust, but we didn't see the extra tick up of turnout.

00:31:50.000 And for example, let's just take Arizona, Yava Pie, Yuma, Mojave.

00:31:54.000 It was good, but there was anywhere between 220 to 280,000 voters in just four counties that were at Maricopa that didn't vote this cycle, that voted for Trump.

00:32:02.000 That's right.

00:32:03.000 That's right.

00:32:04.000 I mean, that's the answer to the narrative that is being attempted to be pushed on us right now, which is that Trump depresses turnout or Trump candidates depress turnout or they turn people off.

00:32:24.000 I mean, we know that Trump is the most hated politician.

00:32:27.000 He's also in many ways the most beloved politician in this country, but there is a segment of our voters who only come out and vote for him.

00:32:36.000 Give you an example.

00:32:37.000 There were, and we did this as we did this as an organization I'm involved with, did this as a data project in the lead up to the 2022 election.

00:32:46.000 So earlier this year, there were 543,000 odd Republican voters in Arizona who voted in 2016 and 2020 who were eligible to vote in 2014 and 2018, but did not.

00:33:00.000 Okay.

00:33:01.000 So it's a big pool of people who are coming out just to vote in the presidential election.

00:33:05.000 Now, in a sense, that's normal behavior.

00:33:08.000 Like there are just people who only vote presidential, but it was actually quite a large number as a percentage compared to other comparable periods in other states.

00:33:17.000 And the point is that Trump, there are people Trump turns out and only he turns out.

00:33:23.000 And so when you go back and you start to look at some of these states, Arizona is one, Michigan's another, Wisconsin's another, and you look at what turnout was like in 2016, 18, 20, and 22, you find out that actually the margin in these states is Trump because of the people that he brings out.

00:33:41.000 And so for the people, you know, in other words, there's a counter argument here.

00:33:45.000 Yes, there are people who were just turned off by Donald Trump.

00:33:47.000 There's a lot of people who are turned on almost exclusively by him.

00:33:52.000 And one of the challenges for Republicans in general is how do you keep those people engaged?

00:33:56.000 How do you keep them motivated when Donald Trump isn't on, isn't at the top of the ticket, whether that be because it's a midterm or whether that be because maybe we're four years or eight years down the road.

00:34:07.000 And these are people that are a key part of our coalition.

00:34:10.000 We want them to be involved.

00:34:11.000 We need them to be involved if we're going to win.

00:34:13.000 And the question is, how do you keep them involved when the guy that the guy that has gotten them involved in politics in many cases for the first time isn't on the ballot?

00:34:22.000 Yeah, so Democrats were able to replicate Tempe and downtown Phoenix presidential style turnout. 0.86

00:34:28.000 Republicans were not able to replicate Yavapai, Mojave, and Cochise.

00:34:33.000 That's amazing.

00:34:34.000 I didn't think that would have been the case.

00:34:36.000 And again, a lot of it's speculation, right?

00:34:38.000 Because how are you going to get these people if Trump's not on the ballot?

00:34:41.000 But for Kerry Lake or Abe Hamade, to a lesser extent, Blake, if 50,000 more hard R's would have showed up in the rules of Arizona, it's over with all with all the other nonsense that happened, right? 0.95

00:34:52.000 I mean, like all of it, right?

00:34:54.000 Pima being Pima and finding like weird ballots from the Mexican drug cartel, like crazy stuff, right?

00:34:59.000 And machines going down in Maricopa.

00:35:01.000 And so this is a question in front of us that's kind of being thrust there.

00:35:05.000 Let me just kind of finish with this, Chris.

00:35:07.000 We are now, we're no longer in like, oh, it's, we have some time off.

00:35:11.000 There is no time off.

00:35:12.000 We have to build the infrastructure.

00:35:14.000 Are you given any confidence that the Republican establishment is going to build this anytime soon?

00:35:20.000 Not really.

00:35:22.000 You know, I've given this talk a bunch of times in public, and I'll just repeat, I'll just repeat it in a very brief form right now for your audience, Charlie.

00:35:31.000 There are things, there are legitimate criticisms of the Republican establishment, the Republican, the existing Republican infrastructure.

00:35:40.000 I'm very sympathetic to them.

00:35:41.000 But as I've gotten more deeply involved in some of the grassroots type of stuff when you're doing voter registration, get out the vote and these sorts of things, one of the things that I learned, honestly, I mean, it was just a legitimate learning experience, is that there are things that we expect some of the existing institutions to do that they're not capable of doing.

00:36:02.000 And one of the, and that means that we need new institutions to do those things because they are very much needful.

00:36:10.000 But, you know, I'll give you an example.

00:36:12.000 The RNC comes in for a lot of criticism.

00:36:15.000 There's some that's legitimate.

00:36:16.000 There's some that isn't legitimate.

00:36:18.000 But one thing that people don't, one thing people don't appreciate is that campaign finance limits the amount of money that the RNC can raise.

00:36:25.000 And the things that we expect them to do, the amount of money it costs is far in excess of what they can raise.

00:36:30.000 And that means that we need other allied organizations to go out and do those things.

00:36:35.000 We'll dive into that deeper at another time.

00:36:37.000 Chris, thank you so much.

00:36:38.000 Appreciate it.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - November 23, 2022

The Truth Will Set You Free...And Hopefully Imprison Hunter Biden, with Chris Buskirk and J.P. Mac Isaac

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