The Charlie Kirk Show - September 19, 2023


The Two Sides of the House Funding Fight with Reps. Byron Donalds and Andy Biggs


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Two opinions on the same topic. Two opinions from opposite sides of the aisle. Two opposing views. Two different ways to solve the same problem. A government shutdown is on the horizon, and we have all the facts here.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Dan the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000 Two opinions on the same topic.
00:00:04.000 Byron Donalds and Andy Biggs joined us to talk about the continuing resolution fight.
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00:01:12.000 Okay, Byron Donalds joins us now.
00:01:14.000 Byron, we spent a whole hour framing the need to balance the budget to figure out our debt.
00:01:21.000 Byron, you have put forward a plan.
00:01:24.000 Tell us about it.
00:01:26.000 Charlie, it's good to be with you.
00:01:27.000 Look, a couple of things.
00:01:29.000 Let me first say things are moving fast here on Capitol Hill.
00:01:32.000 But essentially, the plan is trying to resolve our ability to pass the appropriation bills that we set out to do months ago.
00:01:39.000 But the government's going to shut down in about 11 days now.
00:01:42.000 So the idea is let's cut spending 8% across the board in all the federal agencies, and let's actually secure our southern border.
00:01:51.000 Everybody is seeing the trains full of migrants who are making their way to the southern border.
00:01:56.000 We've seen the migrants who are sleeping in streets in New York and Chicago and every other city of our country. 0.98
00:02:01.000 What Joe Biden's done to our southern border is terrible policy.
00:02:05.000 So the plan was essentially let's actually cut spending, get a real conservative policy went on the border.
00:02:11.000 And while that's happening, it gives us the ability to negotiate the other spending bills and go from there.
00:02:17.000 So Byron, I like Matt Gates a lot.
00:02:21.000 He says this is a terrible deal.
00:02:24.000 You know, I understand some of the details here.
00:02:25.000 Obviously, you know it much better than I do.
00:02:28.000 Walk us through what some of his objections are and why you feel this is a solid deal.
00:02:33.000 And there seems to be some disagreement over Jack Smith.
00:02:36.000 Do you have a plan for handling his investigation and the funding of his investigation?
00:02:42.000 Well, let me take Jack Smith first and I'll work backwards.
00:02:45.000 I think people need to understand that if we're in a government shutdown, that does not stop Jack Smith's persecution, his political persecution of President Trump.
00:02:54.000 The Department of Justice and Joe Biden will exempt Jack Smith from the shutdown.
00:02:58.000 They'll still do their work.
00:03:00.000 I believe the better way is let's actually put Joe Biden and the Democrats on the, frankly, on the line when it comes to the board.
00:03:10.000 Let's actually have an ability where our more moderate members in the conference want to join us in that battle.
00:03:16.000 And it gives us the ability to actually really negotiate the CJS bill.
00:03:21.000 This is the Commerce, Justice, and Science Bill where the Department of Justice is funded.
00:03:26.000 And that gives us the ability to go after Jack Smith and the weaponization by the Department of Justice.
00:03:31.000 What's happening right now, Charlie, as I speak, we had a conference meeting this morning.
00:03:35.000 There were members who don't want to vote for a CR.
00:03:38.000 And I understand why.
00:03:39.000 Because like so many Americans, they have been lied to by Republican leadership before.
00:03:43.000 They have been lied to by this government.
00:03:45.000 They have been told we're going to fight on the next thing and the fight never comes and the can gets kicked down the road.
00:03:51.000 So I know why they're upset with the CR plan.
00:03:54.000 I don't want to have to deal with the CR plan.
00:03:56.000 But if you want to put Jack Smith in the box, if you want to cut the weaponized stuff out of this government, if you want to cut spending overall and get us on a fiscal track and preserve our border, we've got to shape that in a battle with the Senate over the border.
00:04:09.000 Chuck Schumer does not want to talk about the border policy.
00:04:12.000 He wants to talk about internal Republican fighting.
00:04:15.000 So I'm going to read Matt Gates' tweet here.
00:04:17.000 And Byron, I mean, you're hearing all the objections.
00:04:18.000 I just want to give you a chance to walk through it.
00:04:21.000 And this is a friendly territory for you to do it.
00:04:24.000 Matt Gates says, quote, I want to send Jack Smith and every person who works at the DOJ a message.
00:04:29.000 Byron, your legislation sends them a check.
00:04:32.000 Here is my plan, single subject bills, programmatic reform at DOJ, and goes on from there.
00:04:38.000 He says, abandon this disaster.
00:04:40.000 Do you think that maybe what Matt is proposing is unrealistic?
00:04:44.000 No, what I'm saying to Matt, and probably to the members who might disagree, and frankly, for Americans who are disagreeing with me at this point, is that single-subject bills wanting to actually go after the Department of Justice, I want to do that too.
00:04:58.000 But up here on Capitol Hill, there are members that you have to tactically get into that position.
00:05:03.000 That's the only real difference between us.
00:05:05.000 I know that doesn't seem like you're using every arrow in your quiver to get it done, but those are the realities on Capitol Hill.
00:05:12.000 I've been involved in these spending negotiations now for four months.
00:05:16.000 I've been imploring House leadership that you've got to cut spending bills down even further, or you're not going to have the votes amongst members from the Freedom Caucus to support it.
00:05:24.000 There's been little movement from the leadership to this point.
00:05:27.000 And so now we're in this battle right now.
00:05:29.000 But I want to stress to you, Charlie, the only way you're going to deal with weaponization at the Department of Justice or the FBI or any other part of our agency, if you want to stop the spying on the American people with FISA and everything else, is that you've got to get to the appropriation bills.
00:05:45.000 And if we have members of our conference who sign a discharge petition with the Democrats to essentially do a clean continuing resolution, we're not going to have any ability to do that.
00:05:57.000 And so it's really a tactical difference between Matt and I.
00:06:00.000 It is not an overall goal difference about wanting to make sure that we end the weaponization in our government.
00:06:06.000 For sure.
00:06:06.000 And your conservative bona fides are exceptional.
00:06:09.000 But Byron, here's my question.
00:06:11.000 And our audience shares this.
00:06:12.000 So this is only for 30 days.
00:06:15.000 What is the next step?
00:06:16.000 That just basically buys you time to continue to negotiate.
00:06:21.000 So walk us through from what you can without revealing too much inside baseball, you know, the strategy and the tactical premise here.
00:06:29.000 So right now, actually, what came out of this morning is, like I said, there are members who weren't supportive of a continuing resolution, and that's fine.
00:06:38.000 No pride of authorship here.
00:06:40.000 Now we have members in the room from all parts of the conference who are going over the individual spending bills.
00:06:46.000 That is exactly what we should be doing.
00:06:48.000 And frankly, we should have been doing it a long time, but that's not just what happened.
00:06:52.000 And that's water under the bridge at this point.
00:06:54.000 So you've got to be able to land those bills, get them in a place where they can be voted off the floor.
00:06:59.000 In my view, the 30 days gives some of these members political cover.
00:07:04.000 They're in Biden districts.
00:07:05.000 They're in heavy blue districts, but the border is killing them just as well as it's killing the people on the southern border.
00:07:11.000 And it gives them an ability to pit Eric Adams against Joe Biden, to pit Chuck Schumer, you know, against the squad members in the House who want this radical open border policy.
00:07:22.000 Let them fight about their terrible policy.
00:07:25.000 On our side of the aisle, let's get our members together, get through this appropriations process, have the ability to deal with weaponization in our government, secure the border and everything else that needs to occur.
00:07:37.000 So then, how do we know that the Biden regime will actually then execute on the border?
00:07:43.000 That's another important issue.
00:07:45.000 If you finance it, will they actually end up executing on it?
00:07:48.000 And then is there any conversations negotiating ongoing with the United States Senate?
00:07:55.000 So one thing is, I want to be clear on this one.
00:07:58.000 What was in the continuum resolution was HR2, which is the most conservative border security package that's ever passed off the House floor in Congress.
00:08:07.000 It's that bill.
00:08:09.000 And then there are key, we call them rioters.
00:08:11.000 They're essentially the policy parameters about making sure that you can't transport migrants in the interior of the country.
00:08:20.000 We completely defund that.
00:08:22.000 It's defunding the CPB1 app that has allowed Joe Biden to basically put our asylum process on DoorDash or Uber Eats where people can just get into their app and do it that way.
00:08:32.000 It defunds that.
00:08:34.000 It defunds Majorpis' letter that allows for the transmission of migrants.
00:08:39.000 It defunds the ability of borough agents to no longer make determinations of credible fear.
00:08:45.000 And this is very technical, but the way border security used to operate is that border agents made a determination of credible fear, and that would stop people from being allowed into the country.
00:08:56.000 Joe Biden got rid of that, and they have no ability to make these determinations.
00:09:00.000 We restore that.
00:09:02.000 At the end of the day, if Joe Biden's in violation of the law, in my view, those are clear articles of impeachment.
00:09:08.000 And then those gives us an ability to fight that out with the courts about his ability to basically ignore the law.
00:09:14.000 But I think those are issues that, look, in a political context, we have to bring that to the forefront.
00:09:21.000 All the news channels are covering what's happening at the southern border now.
00:09:24.000 Even ABC and CNN, they're talking about it now because you cannot hide from this reckless policy.
00:09:30.000 So my view is let's actually put the Democrats in a pinch on that while we handle the other appropriation bills, deal with Jack Smith and the Department of Justice, the FBI and Chris Ray, and all these other areas of our government where the radical left has run them up through Nancy Pelosi's spending and policies.
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00:11:54.000 So, Byron, let me just contribute a little bit of my opinion.
00:11:58.000 And you know the details far better than I do. 0.99
00:12:00.000 But I would say just shut the sucker down. 0.99
00:12:02.000 I would say that I don't think we need to keep the government open. 0.99
00:12:07.000 We need to draw a line in the sand.
00:12:09.000 They're completely out of control.
00:12:10.000 We've gone through government shutdowns before, and it's not nearly as dramatic as they think.
00:12:16.000 And I would say if and only if they show that they're not negotiating in good faith, my fear, Byron, is that we're pandering a little bit too much to the moderates like Dusty Johnson.
00:12:25.000 Where am I wrong here, Byron?
00:12:27.000 Well, first of all, I'll tell you, Charlie, I'm not afraid of government shutdowns.
00:12:31.000 If that happens, that's fine.
00:12:33.000 What I think a lot of people need to understand up here is that we do have members on the more moderate side of our conference.
00:12:41.000 They've actually said it in two meetings I've been involved in over the last hour.
00:12:46.000 They are going to sign off on a clean CR with the Democrats, and they'll do it because, in their view, in the districts that they represent, that it's better to keep the government open.
00:12:57.000 I can't control what they do.
00:12:59.000 So, my thought, my view of the entire landscape, knowing the members here, having talked with them, having engaged with them for many months, is I do think that's what they would do.
00:13:09.000 And so, is it better for them to go vote for a clean CR and then there's no ability to negotiate the stuff that we need to do, like taking care of Jack Smith, the weaponization, et cetera?
00:13:20.000 Or is it better to have a serious political and frankly budgetary fight over the border and some government spending while we continue the other work to get to Jack Smith and the weaponization?
00:13:32.000 That's really the difference here, Charlie.
00:13:34.000 It's not about, and look, I get the concerns.
00:13:36.000 People are frustrated with our government.
00:13:37.000 This government is bloated.
00:13:39.000 It is weaponized.
00:13:40.000 It doesn't do what it does.
00:13:41.000 It's supposed to do.
00:13:42.000 It's outside the confines of Article 1, Section 8 of our Constitution.
00:13:46.000 I agree with all of that, but I know there are members up here who don't want to go through a government shutdown fight.
00:13:52.000 And so, looking at that landscape, all I'm saying is I'm looking at the tactics that are being used all around this town.
00:13:59.000 And I want to make sure that the conservative movement, the America First movement, gets real wins, not tweets, not talking points, not cool speeches at rallies.
00:14:10.000 I'm talking about wins, period.
00:14:13.000 And I'm right there with you.
00:14:16.000 My fear is that we do this 30-day rider.
00:14:21.000 Let's just focus on the Jack Smith.
00:14:22.000 And Byron, you and I see this the same way.
00:14:24.000 And again, you're in these meetings.
00:14:26.000 I do not envy you.
00:14:27.000 And I hope the audience understands.
00:14:29.000 Byron's not in an easy spot here.
00:14:30.000 This is dealing with Dusty Johnson, all those people.
00:14:33.000 God bless you.
00:14:34.000 So, Jack Smith, how then do we do it?
00:14:37.000 What is the battle plan?
00:14:37.000 Because that's number one on my list, right?
00:14:39.000 Total weaponization, terrible.
00:14:41.000 So let's say that you get your way and we pass this 30 days.
00:14:45.000 Then what are the steps then, just so that our audience understands, to take care of, in your words, Jack Smith?
00:14:52.000 Well, I want to clarify something.
00:14:54.000 I don't really think it should be viewed as getting my way.
00:14:57.000 You know, I've put together an idea with Chip and Scott Perry and a couple of members on the moderate side of our conference.
00:15:04.000 As it stands right now, I don't really think the votes are there.
00:15:08.000 But I think the overall strategy is we have to find a way to pass the justice appropriations bill.
00:15:14.000 And in that bill, then what you have to do is you have to defund political prosecutions.
00:15:20.000 You have to fend, you have to get rid of the woke stuff that's at DOJ.
00:15:24.000 You have to actually hold them accountable for a weaponization activity, spying on the American people activities, stuff like that.
00:15:31.000 That's the stuff you bring into that argument.
00:15:33.000 And then you have to find a way to conference that with the Senate.
00:15:37.000 So this goes back to some of the political strategy.
00:15:40.000 If Joe Biden, who frankly is taking naps three times a day, no disrespect to taking naps sometimes is great, but you're the commander in chief.
00:15:47.000 You got to be awake all the time.
00:15:49.000 If Joe Biden can't even defend his position on the southern border and Chuck Schumer doesn't want to talk about the southern border, my question is for everybody watching, does that give us more leverage to deal with the Department of Justice or less leverage?
00:16:03.000 And at the end of the day, here in D.C., everything is a leverage play.
00:16:06.000 I hate it, but that's the reality of what we're dealing with.
00:16:10.000 And so, you know, I've always told my voters back in Southwest Florida and everywhere else, I'm going to tell you what it is and what it's not.
00:16:17.000 That's where we are right now, in my view.
00:16:20.000 Byron Donalds, thank you for the time.
00:16:21.000 We will see how this unfolds.
00:16:22.000 Final prediction, 30 seconds.
00:16:24.000 How do you think this is going to pull out?
00:16:25.000 14-ish members say they're not voting for it.
00:16:27.000 So how do you see this developing?
00:16:30.000 Well, I mean, honestly, Charlie, I really don't know right now.
00:16:32.000 Like I said, members are meeting right now.
00:16:34.000 I'm going to go back into these meetings, seeing if there's a way we can agree to funding levels on the 12 appropriation bills.
00:16:40.000 And when you get to funding levels, then we got to agree on policy in these bills.
00:16:45.000 I'm going to focus on that.
00:16:46.000 I'll give you a prediction later if I have.
00:16:48.000 Byron, thanks so much for joining us.
00:16:49.000 We appreciate it.
00:16:50.000 Thank you.
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00:18:02.000 And it just kind of calms down.
00:18:03.000 So it's fine.
00:18:04.000 I didn't get heated.
00:18:05.000 Look, I would be heated too if the government lied to me and took 7% of my wages for decades.
00:18:13.000 I would get fired up.
00:18:15.000 Of course.
00:18:15.000 I totally get it.
00:18:17.000 But I would be a hypocrite if I did that whole hour about the threat of debt and I say, yeah, you know, we just need a short-term resolution.
00:18:23.000 And we heard out Byron Donalds.
00:18:25.000 Byron is 10 out of 10.
00:18:26.000 He's the best.
00:18:27.000 I don't agree with Byron here.
00:18:28.000 I think we got to be firmer.
00:18:29.000 I got to be honest. 0.99
00:18:31.000 We have to say, look, our opening argument is the sucker is getting shut down. 0.99
00:18:41.000 That's our opening argument. 0.98
00:18:42.000 Thanks for playing.
00:18:43.000 By the way, government shutdown, I've made this point before, and it's somewhat of a simple, shallow point, but it's very correct.
00:18:52.000 If their non-essential workers go home when there is a government shutdown, why are they in existence?
00:19:00.000 Why do they have jobs if they're not essential?
00:19:03.000 It kind of reminds you how most of your government is not essential.
00:19:06.000 Jack Smith does continue, though.
00:19:09.000 And I wanted to give Byron an opportunity to speak out.
00:19:12.000 Look, here's the devil's argument, the devil's advocate.
00:19:15.000 Okay.
00:19:15.000 Let me just, and I think Byron, this is the motivating action for Byron, if I were to say this, is two things.
00:19:25.000 They're worried that the moderates are going to join with Democrats and we get nothing.
00:19:29.000 That's a legitimate fear.
00:19:30.000 That's not bluffing.
00:19:33.000 But there's another fear, which I don't like, but it's legit, but I don't like.
00:19:38.000 Drives me nuts, which is Charlie.
00:19:39.000 If we shut down the government, it's going to hurt moderates in their districts and we're going to lose the House of Representatives.
00:19:45.000 Tyler Boyer from Turning Point Action has been warning us how we are probably going to lose the House next November because of bad redistricting.
00:19:54.000 We are in a bad spot because Republicans did not do their job with redistricting.
00:19:58.000 Politico agrees, by the way.
00:20:00.000 Politico.com says that the Senate tilts red, the House tilts blue.
00:20:06.000 I hear that argument.
00:20:08.000 I internalize that argument.
00:20:11.000 I have heard that argument for 11 years.
00:20:15.000 I think we need to do the right thing and then defend the right thing to our voters, not constantly just kick it down and say another election, another election.
00:20:25.000 And I fully acknowledge and admit there is a risk to this.
00:20:32.000 The easy thing is just a dirty CR.
00:20:36.000 They call it clean, but it's really dirty.
00:20:39.000 Pass it, and then let's just go right into 2024, raise a bunch of money, and hope that we hold on to the House.
00:20:47.000 At the same time, though, I do not want to be reckless in the pursuit of asking for the world.
00:20:57.000 You might not be happy with what the House of Representatives is doing.
00:21:01.000 You might not be happy with Speaker McCarthy.
00:21:03.000 I hear your emails.
00:21:05.000 But what if I told you you should be happy with what you're not seeing?
00:21:09.000 What?
00:21:11.000 The best argument to keep the House red is not for grand sweeping reform.
00:21:18.000 It's for oversight and for the stuff that's not going to happen.
00:21:24.000 You're not going to get DC as a state.
00:21:26.000 You're not going to get Puerto Rico as a state.
00:21:28.000 You're not going to get the Electoral College abolished.
00:21:31.000 You're not going to get HR1.
00:21:33.000 That is not an argument that resonates with a lot of people.
00:21:35.000 I get it, but it's real.
00:21:37.000 It's a real thing.
00:21:40.000 The House being read, at least we do not get the more systemic, constitutionally altering stuff.
00:21:48.000 With that being said, it's time to play hardball.
00:21:52.000 You got to put out, you have to play a risk at some point.
00:21:55.000 You got to play the hand.
00:21:57.000 We have the House.
00:21:58.000 The country's falling apart.
00:21:59.000 And joining us now is Andy Biggs.
00:22:01.000 Andy, we just had Byron Donaldson heard out his argument.
00:22:05.000 I'm much more in your camp with this, Andy Biggs.
00:22:08.000 I think we need to say, look, here's our line.
00:22:11.000 Now's the time to play hardball.
00:22:12.000 Walk us through what Byron is proposing and your opinion on it.
00:22:17.000 Okay, so Charlie, what Byron and some of our friends are proposing is that you do a continuum resolution.
00:22:26.000 You kind of attack just a little bit, maybe the spending, not much, because you can't do it much within the 30 days.
00:22:33.000 And it's the last 30 days.
00:22:34.000 So you keep most of the Biden, Schumer, Pelosi policies in place.
00:22:39.000 But then you put down something like HR2, which is the Secure the Border Act, and you put that in there.
00:22:45.000 And then you send it over to the Senate with an idea ostensibly that you send it to the Senate.
00:22:52.000 The Senate will give you a different CR coming back.
00:22:56.000 And then you go into a conference committee and vote something out.
00:23:00.000 In the meantime, the Senate will have taken out your Border Security Act and most of your reforms.
00:23:09.000 There's just a few other reforms in there.
00:23:11.000 And so basically, they end up with a clean CR at the end of the clean continuum resolution.
00:23:17.000 In other words, you could keep spending roughly where you are.
00:23:21.000 That's where I think you end up.
00:23:22.000 And that's where they are.
00:23:24.000 I don't like that.
00:23:25.000 I think we have an existential crisis, Charlie.
00:23:28.000 I think at some point.
00:23:30.000 Yeah, I think at some point you have to say, no.
00:23:34.000 Somebody said today, well, that would give us 30 more days to consider the appropriate bills.
00:23:38.000 We've had nine series of 30 days.
00:23:41.000 We've had 270 days at least to do it.
00:23:44.000 And these guys haven't done it.
00:23:46.000 So they've created this false deadline, right?
00:23:49.000 And what that does for us is it leaves us with this notion of we have to do something.
00:23:56.000 And my opinion is, you know what we need to do?
00:23:58.000 We need to draw a line in the sand.
00:24:01.000 We need to take a position and we need to say no more that what's happening on the border, whether it's the drugs coming across, the human trafficking, the sex trafficking, the cities along the border and within the United States that are now being overrun.
00:24:18.000 You've got the New York City mayor, for Pete's sake, who's at his wit's end, and he's experienced 110,000 illegal aliens.
00:24:27.000 Imagine if you're Yuma, Arizona, and you've seen, you know, every three months you're seeing about that many, or Del Rio, or Eagle Pass that had 2,200 people just the other night.
00:24:40.000 I mean, I don't know exactly if you do something now, even now, if we can recover from the literally millions of people who've come here from all over the world, who don't have the American ethos, who don't have the same connection to the American government, who don't have the same affinity for the American culture.
00:25:03.000 I mean, we are a melting pot.
00:25:05.000 But part of what melting pot means is you come together and you have one idea of culture, one idea of freedom, one idea of your relationship to your government and the rights that are recognized, not given, but recognized and protected by the government.
00:25:22.000 And we're getting overwhelmed, Charlie.
00:25:24.000 I don't know when we're going to say enough is enough.
00:25:27.000 So, Andy, I agree, enough is enough.
00:25:30.000 And we get political power, you get political power from the voters to fight, right?
00:25:36.000 And we've been through these, and you come on our show a lot, Andy, and it's always the next deadline and the next deadline.
00:25:42.000 So, address kind of the silent motive here, which is, and they're not saying this, but this is that the moderates are afraid of two, there's two fears.
00:25:53.000 The moderates are afraid that if we shut down the government, they're all going to get clobbered next November, always about the next election, right?
00:26:01.000 And then the second one is that the moderates are going to team with the Democrats.
00:26:04.000 Address those two fears, Andy.
00:26:06.000 Well, okay, so there's no doubt because the moderates have indicated pretty clearly that if we don't do a CR, they are going to do a discharge petition, take a CR out of the drawer of the speaker, put it on the floor, vote with the Democrats, and send a clean CR.
00:26:24.000 That means that no modifications whatsoever.
00:26:26.000 You're keeping the Biden, Pelosi-Schumer policies, their spending levels, everything, and that's going to go over to the Senate.
00:26:32.000 They've already said that that's the case.
00:26:36.000 The other one, though, is, I think, a little bit more problematic, and that is if you are always saying, wait till the next time, the next election, the next leverage point before you take a stand.
00:26:54.000 So, let me give you an example.
00:26:55.000 A lot of my colleagues supported the Limit Save Grow, whatever they were calling the debt ceiling deal they made.
00:27:02.000 I love these guys.
00:27:04.000 But I told them at the time, Kevin is going to take that $1.5 trillion debt ceiling that you guys have created in this bill.
00:27:12.000 And by the way, that was for eight months, right?
00:27:14.000 So you're going to increase your debt by $1.5 trillion over eight months.
00:27:18.000 He's going to take that and he's going to use that as a starting point to negotiate.
00:27:22.000 And guess what happened?
00:27:23.000 He did use it as a starting point.
00:27:25.000 I was trying to encourage them: let's make this our stand.
00:27:31.000 You don't get leverage points every day, Charlie, in Congress.
00:27:35.000 And this is a leverage point for us.
00:27:37.000 It's an inflection point.
00:27:38.000 But as the country is spending so much, we're spending ourselves into oblivion.
00:27:43.000 There's been weaponization of the federal government.
00:27:46.000 You've got the border.
00:27:48.000 And you and I both know because we live in the Valley of the Sun, gas is up to $475 a gallon.
00:27:54.000 And that means inflation is going to, that pressure is going to keep driving prices up, certainly in my home state, but around the country.
00:28:03.000 All of those things that are happening, crime is rampant everywhere.
00:28:09.000 When you begin to look at these series of problems, you can't keep saying we're going to fight it next time.
00:28:17.000 Somebody actually told me the other day, they said, Andy, if we can't get all the stuff that you're looking for us to fight on, don't worry.
00:28:25.000 We can fight for some of that stuff next time.
00:28:27.000 And I'm like, at some point, you've got to say, today is the day we're going to fight.
00:28:33.000 At some point, you actually have to listen to your voters and to draw a line in the sand.
00:28:38.000 For 11 years now, Andy, I've heard, well, next cycle, next cycle, next cycle, next cycle.
00:28:44.000 And we never actually get the fight.
00:28:48.000 We never actually fight.
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00:29:49.000 Andy, I want to just play this out from a strategic tactical standpoint.
00:29:53.000 Byron is saying, look, and you've said this too, they're going to do a quote-unquote clean CR, which is a dirty CR.
00:29:59.000 And so I guess Byron's calculus is that it's better to get something than nothing and just be kind of left out in the dust.
00:30:07.000 How are you balancing that right now?
00:30:10.000 Because, you know, Dusty Johnson, Don Bacon, Diaz Baltart, they seem as if they are yearning for no structural changes, no adjustments.
00:30:23.000 So how do we balance those two?
00:30:26.000 Because you and the Freedom Caucus and the conservative wing of the caucus have power, but the moderates seem to be kind of snapping back.
00:30:35.000 How do we balance that, Andy Biggs?
00:30:37.000 Yeah, so that's what's happening: the majority is so narrow that any four people can move the body.
00:30:48.000 And by the way, we are down a couple, three people as it is.
00:30:52.000 We had a retirement.
00:30:54.000 We've got someone who's been injured and can't be here on the Republican side.
00:30:58.000 So you move down two or three people, and it becomes two people can actually drive or prevent or block the agenda.
00:31:07.000 So I understand where the moderate side of our conference is coming from.
00:31:15.000 They tell me they're representing their constituency.
00:31:17.000 And I say, I understand you're representing your constituency.
00:31:20.000 But at some point, we are facing an existential crisis as a nation.
00:31:26.000 And so the point I would make to my friends who say, well, let's at least get something is sticking in language into a bill, a spending bill, that you know that the Senate is going to, first of all, immediately take it out.
00:31:42.000 That means that it's not going to happen, right?
00:31:48.000 But moreover, even with that language in there, if let's pretend that he got through and Joe Biden signed it, because we can only do what we can do, right?
00:31:57.000 But let's pretend Joe Biden signs it.
00:31:59.000 Charlie, is there anybody who is watching things and is sentient at all that believes that the Biden administration would all of a sudden have an epiphany and start enforcing the border laws of HR2 plus those that are on the books?
00:32:13.000 And the answer is no, because this is a lawless administration.
00:32:17.000 They've weaponized their government.
00:32:19.000 They are not going to give us anything.
00:32:21.000 And if we're not going to fight now, when are we going to fight?
00:32:25.000 I mean, that's what I've been saying for years.
00:32:28.000 And I'm told, oh, it's coming.
00:32:30.000 We're going to do it.
00:32:31.000 Yeah.
00:32:31.000 So since, you know, four moderates, you know, they think they have all this power, you know, Don Bacon and Dusty Johnson and all that.
00:32:40.000 It's just how then do we build consensus?
00:32:44.000 Because what's surprising here, Andy, let me ask you this.
00:32:48.000 Were you aware that Byron was negotiating this with Dustin Johnson?
00:32:51.000 Was this a little bit of a surprise?
00:32:53.000 Because I'll be honest, I don't love all this PR splintering.
00:32:57.000 It's kind of a mess right now, right?
00:32:59.000 People that I'm really good friends with are on all sorts of different sides.
00:33:02.000 And I'm looking around like, come on, guys, like, don't you have a group chat going or something?
00:33:06.000 Can you walk us through that, Andy?
00:33:07.000 It's a little bit, it's awfully dysfunctional.
00:33:10.000 I got to be honest.
00:33:12.000 Charlie, it is awfully dysfunctional.
00:33:14.000 I mean, I'm not going to lie to you.
00:33:17.000 Look, they kind of told me that they wanted to see what they could find out from the moderate wing.
00:33:26.000 Leadership was basically drawn out.
00:33:28.000 You know, the speaker's office was drawn out.
00:33:30.000 Why?
00:33:30.000 Because the speaker's office has done nothing, right?
00:33:33.000 Nothing.
00:33:34.000 And so some of our guys said, well, we'd like to find something.
00:33:37.000 But I had no idea what was going on, what was being said.
00:33:43.000 And then I learned, seriously, I was flying back to DC Sunday and I got a text message on the flight or a message on the flight saying, hey, there's going to be a conference meeting in a few minutes where they announce some kind of proposal between Dusty Johnson and several of the Freedom Caucus guys.
00:34:08.000 And I mean, media is asking me about it.
00:34:10.000 And I'm like, what?
00:34:12.000 I don't even know what you're talking about.
00:34:14.000 So it was a bit of a surprise.
00:34:18.000 I'm not going to say that I'm not going to condemn them.
00:34:22.000 I think they were trying to do something meaningful.
00:34:24.000 No, I do too.
00:34:25.000 It's just that, Andy, you know, you and I could talk offline.
00:34:28.000 It doesn't make our job very easy as this media support because I'm getting phone.
00:34:32.000 I sent out one tweet and you would have thought that I said that I'm registering as a Democrat.
00:34:37.000 I got more phone calls on Sunday night.
00:34:39.000 I'm trying to watch Sunday night football or whatever and my phone's lighting up.
00:34:42.000 But you guys are going to figure it out.
00:34:43.000 Andy, we're with you 100%.
00:34:45.000 Lie in the sand, draw the line, and just remind these moderate Republicans.
00:34:49.000 Now we have the power.
00:34:51.000 I say our opening argument is to ask for the order.
00:34:53.000 It's the art of the deal.
00:34:55.000 Jack Smith, Ukraine, border.
00:34:56.000 Those are the three things.
00:34:57.000 Andy, right at time.
00:34:58.000 Thank you so much.
00:34:59.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:35:02.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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00:35:06.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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