The Charlie Kirk Show - The Tyler Robinson Trial Delay: What Now?

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00:01:19.000 It's Monday.

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00:01:33.000 She went to my sisters in Georgia.

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00:01:49.000 What was funny is I ended up having a very long call with my dad because my dad was just, he was alone back in South Dakota.

00:01:54.000 So we were just talking, he was batching it up and we were talking about the show and stuff.

00:01:59.000 Oh, good.

00:02:00.000 Oh, I'd love to hear his perspective.

00:02:01.000 It's May 11th and we are here at the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, Arizona.

00:02:07.000 And I have my family in town, my father in law is in the studio watching on, which is a treat.

00:02:13.000 So, welcome, welcome.

00:02:14.000 Hope we don't disappoint.

00:02:15.000 We're going to get the show started off the right way with Andrea Burkhart, backed by popular demand.

00:02:20.000 We had her on.

00:02:22.000 She is a legal commentator, experienced trial and appellate litigator.

00:02:26.000 You can also find her at Substack at andreaburkhart.substack.com, spelled B U R K H A R T. That's how you find her.

00:02:35.000 But we had a hearing, obviously, with the Tyler Robinson trial on Friday, and there is much to discuss.

00:02:41.000 So, we'll welcome her in right now.

00:02:43.000 Andrea, welcome back to the show.

00:02:45.000 Hey, thank you so much for having me back.

00:02:47.000 Yeah, you know, I have to chide you just a little bit because last time we had you on, you let us know that your prediction was that the trial was not going to happen until early 2028.

00:02:58.000 I saw you clip that and we're making fun of our reaction.

00:03:02.000 I think the whole world was groaning along with us, I would like to say, because sitting in this seat, I will tell you that is not what you want to hear.

00:03:12.000 You know, it's just the whole wheels of justice move, in my opinion, almost a little bit too slow.

00:03:12.000 I know.

00:03:18.000 But that's where we're at, and hopefully you are wrong and we get the under on that, not the over.

00:03:23.000 All right, so on Friday, we had a hearing that was basically to decide the issue of cameras in the courtroom as well as the defense's request for an extension before the, I guess, preliminary hearing, evidentiary hearing.

00:03:38.000 I've heard it referred to both ways.

00:03:41.000 Tell us what we learned.

00:03:42.000 Obviously, there was a ruling on the cameras that Judge Graff was going to deny their request, but it's more complicated than that.

00:03:50.000 Yeah, it's a little bit more nuanced than just the cameras are in or the cameras are out.

00:03:54.000 What had happened with this motion was that the defense was seeking a categorical ban on cameras in the courtroom, essentially for the rest of the case.

00:04:03.000 And that's in a bit of a conflict with Utah law, which has some of the most camera favorable rules anywhere in the country.

00:04:13.000 And so they have a number of procedures and requirements that you have to go through to get a camera in the courtroom.

00:04:20.000 But once, assuming you follow those procedures, they are extremely permissive and there's a presumption that they will allow it to happen.

00:04:28.000 So, what has happened is that Judge Graff denied the defense motion for a categorical ban.

00:04:33.000 He said that is not consistent with what Utah law provides.

00:04:36.000 However, because Utah law in its own procedure already allows for there to be objections or concerns about certain factors the judge is to consider, such as the defendant's effect on the defendant's right to a fair trial, that the defense can still continue to raise those issues.

00:04:55.000 They're just going to have to do it on a hearing by hearing basis and not as a general.

00:05:00.000 Overarching rule that cameras would not be allowed.

00:05:04.000 So there was a, it's like a 14 day advance, right?

00:05:10.000 So if I am, let's say I'm CBS News or any outlet, let me get centered up here.

00:05:15.000 I have to present my request 14 days in advance, and then there is an opportunity for the defense to basically object.

00:05:23.000 And I saw a clip of yours basically saying the defense is now almost obligated to object to every single request for a media.

00:05:33.000 Credential to this hearing.

00:05:35.000 Am I reading that right?

00:05:36.000 They may be.

00:05:37.000 If this is an issue that they are intending to preserve for future review down the road, which is kind of classic for defense lawyers to be doing, to be thinking, you know, through the appeal, through the post conviction process, and so forth, they have framed this issue as one of a federal constitutional magnitude.

00:05:56.000 And so there are a lot of procedural hurdles that go along with potentially raising something like that in a federal.

00:06:05.000 Court a long time down the road.

00:06:07.000 And one of them is that you have to exhaust your remedies in the trial court and you have to fully preserve the issue.

00:06:15.000 So there is, I think, a potential argument that a prosecutor on the other side would be able to make that if they did not object to cameras at any specific hearing, that the defense has essentially waived any kind of objection to cameras being in the courtroom for that, at least for that particular proceeding.

00:06:35.000 So I do think it puts a little bit of an onus on them if their objective is.

00:06:41.000 To have an opportunity for a future appellate court to look at whether cameras in general, as a big picture specific to this case, whatever, are a problem with a fair trial, they are kind of stuck now with having to do a little bit of extra work to make sure that they have not waived that right.

00:07:00.000 Yeah, they've just made more work for themselves, essentially.

00:07:03.000 And one of the things I've learned from your commentary, Andrea, is just how much of these motions, these hearings, And you call papering the record are really done with the express intent of future appeals, essentially, because then it will be appealed.

00:07:21.000 If you make the presumption that this would end in a guilty verdict because of the evidence that you already are aware exists against Tyler Robinson, then you're going to say, well, we're going to then appeal it at the state level.

00:07:33.000 And then eventually the federal courts are going to get involved on a follow up appeal.

00:07:38.000 And it seems like so much of these chess moves that we're seeing play out, where you're like, what are they doing?

00:07:44.000 It's all playing out.

00:07:45.000 Down the line, the long game, assuming appeals.

00:07:48.000 Is that fair?

00:07:49.000 Absolutely.

00:07:50.000 I mean, that's always going to be part of the role of defense counsel, particularly in a case like this, a death penalty case.

00:07:58.000 It's very consistent with the strategies that these particular defense lawyers kind of traditionally employ in the cases that they work on.

00:08:09.000 And it's just one of the aspects of being effective as a defense attorney having to think five years down the road, 10 years down the road, which I know now we're throwing out numbers you guys really don't want to hear.

00:08:22.000 But that just is the unfortunate reality of death penalty litigation.

00:08:27.000 There are many, many steps to it and many pitfalls along the way.

00:08:31.000 And so that is what they're being attuned to as they go through this trial process.

00:08:37.000 So, what about just the court live stream that's not connected to a CBS or a local affiliate or anything like that?

00:08:45.000 Is that going to be permitted, or do we not know?

00:08:49.000 Well, so when the court has these WebEx hearings like they had on Friday, Where they are just digitally present in court.

00:08:56.000 They're not all there in the courtroom.

00:08:58.000 Typically, we have been able to view those and restream them.

00:09:03.000 And so the cameras in the courtroom is generally referring to a media agency from the outside bringing a camera in.

00:09:10.000 But if they are having live courtroom hearings, not clear to me if WebEx is available or some kind of alternative camera feed of the court's own system that they might be able to rely on.

00:09:24.000 So a little bit TBD on the mechanics of this, but we know generally, directionally, we're going to probably have video of the actual trial.

00:09:24.000 Interesting.

00:09:35.000 That's kind of what I'm gathering.

00:09:36.000 Okay.

00:09:37.000 The court grants the defendant's motion and reschedules the preliminary hearing for July 6th, July 7th, the afternoon of July 8th, July 9th, and July 10th, 2026, in order to protect the defendant's constitutional rights while minimizing unnecessary delay.

00:09:57.000 And preserving the fair, prompt, and impartial administration of justice.

00:10:02.000 This is the order of the court.

00:10:04.000 All right.

00:10:05.000 So we have just played that clip from Judge Graff announcing the delay of the preliminary hearing to July 6th through the 10th.

00:10:13.000 Andrea, what do you make of this type of delay?

00:10:16.000 They were obviously asking for more time.

00:10:18.000 He erred on the side of less than half of what they were asking for.

00:10:22.000 What do you read into this?

00:10:24.000 This is, in many ways, I think the judge's equivalent of what we were just talking about with the.

00:10:31.000 Attorneys looking down the road for future appeals and so forth.

00:10:36.000 Generally speaking, the defense can only appeal rulings that go against them.

00:10:41.000 And so, in cases where you want to maybe just minimize unnecessary grounds to potentially argue that there was some type of problem in the process, you can just err on the side of granting the defense what they want.

00:10:58.000 And so, in this particular case, I think this is Judge Graff playing it safe.

00:11:03.000 He cited the Primarily, the very large volume of discovery that has been produced in the case.

00:11:11.000 I have to tell you, just from my perspective, the numbers that we have been talking about in terms of the terabytes of information that have been handed over are pretty mind boggling.

00:11:22.000 And they kind of previewed this at the last hearing when the defense had been arguing that they wanted more opportunity to investigate some of the state's underlying DNA evidence and firearms evidence and so forth.

00:11:36.000 But the judge kind of Cut them off and asked them very specifically about just the extent to which they'd been able to review the discovery so far.

00:11:46.000 And all of the attorneys in turn indicated no, just given the volume, they haven't had time to review everything.

00:11:52.000 So I think it's largely that that is driving this particular decision.

00:11:57.000 That's why it was not the extended continuance that the defense was asking for.

00:12:02.000 It's not for purposes of greater investigation or expanding the purpose of the preliminary hearing.

00:12:09.000 It's just to make sure they've had an opportunity to be familiar with what is going to be presented and where it fits into the discovery picture.

00:12:17.000 So, I think if I remember right, the first time we had you on, Andrea, I think you predicted they wouldn't delay it.

00:12:23.000 Does even this short continuance, does it adjust your expected timeline for the trial as a whole?

00:12:29.000 Or do you think we'll probably end up on the same timeline as before, which was already, unfortunately, quite long?

00:12:36.000 Yeah, you know, that's a very good question.

00:12:39.000 I mean, in general, I would say it gives us a little bit of insight into Judge Graff's perspective on the case and the timelines.

00:12:48.000 So, it may show a little bit more.

00:12:52.000 Lenience towards allowing the defense the time that they need to develop their strategies in their case.

00:12:59.000 Obviously, when you're getting ready for trial, it's a different situation in terms of what you actually have to do to prepare than getting ready for this preliminary hearing.

00:13:09.000 So it may be an indication that he will allow them a greater opportunity to pursue leads.

00:13:16.000 And like I mentioned last time, we already know there's going to be challenges to scientific evidence and so forth.

00:13:23.000 And so it is possible that he means.

00:13:24.000 May be more amenable to extending the trial date further down the road.

00:13:30.000 Yeah, interesting.

00:13:31.000 So, my basic gist of what happened was that hey, I'm grateful for the ruling on the cameras.

00:13:38.000 That is something that Erica herself has, through her legal team, expressed that she wants to happen.

00:13:44.000 I agree with that.

00:13:46.000 Charlie's assassination was extraordinarily public, and it only follows that we would have a public trial where sunlight is the best disinfectant.

00:13:54.000 I want to see everything, I think it's good.

00:13:56.000 For this entire conspiracy cottage industry that's emerged around this case, for them to have to confront the actual evidence, the physical evidence.

00:14:05.000 And I want everybody to see that.

00:14:06.000 And they get to see that the defense challenge it, too.

00:14:08.000 That's the system of laws we have.

00:14:10.000 And we want that.

00:14:11.000 We don't want this to be sort of jammed through the court system.

00:14:14.000 We want the real process to play out.

00:14:16.000 And I think it'll be good for the country to have an education on the way that a capital case like this could work.

00:14:22.000 And by the way, if it had been reversed, that there was no cameras and with no delay, I would have been upset about that.

00:14:29.000 You know, okay, a little bit of an extension, five, six weeks, whatever it is, as opposed to six months.

00:14:35.000 And we're getting that sort of definitive ruling that the motion on cameras in the courtroom is being denied.

00:14:41.000 I think that I take this on the whole, I guess, is what I'm saying.

00:14:44.000 You know, if I had to have it the other way, I wouldn't want it.

00:14:46.000 So I'll be sort of begrudgingly satisfied with the judge's decisions here.

00:14:52.000 It's kind of my basic take.

00:14:54.000 It's the end result that matters.

00:14:56.000 Yeah, it is, ultimately.

00:14:58.000 It is.

00:14:58.000 What is the point?

00:14:58.000 And ultimately, I mean, I. Judge Graff has been extremely fair so far throughout this process.

00:15:05.000 In many ways, he's been kind of a blessing of a judge for this particular case.

00:15:10.000 He's just demonstrated a lot of patience, a lot of understanding, and they're very much skills that a judge is going to need over a long run case like this.

00:15:19.000 Yeah, I've seen that actually sort of across the board as people have been complimentary of this judge.

00:15:26.000 And it does seem like, you know, from my perspective, as somebody that Does he believe that Tyler Robinson is guilty in this case and that I want to see justice served?

00:15:37.000 I may not like some of the hoops that have to be jumped through to sort of protect this on appeal, but it does seem that he's being prudent, he's being fair, and he's not giving a whole lot of opportunity.

00:15:49.000 I mean, the appeals are going to happen.

00:15:51.000 It's a capital case, right?

00:15:52.000 This is how it's been explained to me.

00:15:53.000 It's just going to happen.

00:15:54.000 There's no way around it, essentially, with our system.

00:15:57.000 And so, on the whole, you do take it as a blessing that he seems to be cognizant of the fact that this is going to be drawn out over years, maybe a decade.

00:16:07.000 And he's playing that long game already right now to make sure everything's on the up and up and doesn't give them unnecessary opportunity for getting this overturned on appeal.

00:16:16.000 What are you looking for next?

00:16:18.000 So, is there additional hearings that we need to keep our eye out on between now and July 6th?

00:16:25.000 Yeah.

00:16:25.000 So, the next hearing that is coming up, since they had already set aside the time the week of May 18th to do the preliminary hearing, they went ahead and rescheduled some pending motions to be heard.

00:16:38.000 They're actually going to be heard on the 19th in the morning.

00:16:41.000 And the primary one that I think is going to be of interest is that the defense is asking to hold one of the prosecuting attorneys in contempt of the court's gag order.

00:16:51.000 And this is based on a series of public statements that the prosecutor made in response to headlines that were primarily in the Daily Mail, but got proliferated through other sources and so forth that indicated kind of misleadingly that the FBI was unable to match the bullet recovered from.

00:17:16.000 Charlie's autopsy, the bullet fragment to the rifle that was associated with Tyler Robinson.

00:17:24.000 And so this had been reported as being exonerating and no match and so forth, but that's not what that result means.

00:17:32.000 And so the prosecutor had given some statements, kind of clarifying here's what this result means.

00:17:39.000 And the defense is arguing that that's a problem.

00:17:41.000 They should not have been allowed to do that.

00:17:44.000 So we're going to see that on May 19th?

00:17:45.000 Yes. 0.99

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00:17:49.000 Excellent work, Andrea.

00:17:50.000 I'm sure we will see you soon.

00:17:53.000 My pleasure.

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00:18:56.000 Welcome back.

00:18:56.000 I'm back.

00:18:57.000 Happy Mother's Day.

00:18:57.000 Your first Mother's Day as a mother.

00:18:59.000 So, congratulations.

00:19:00.000 It was lovely.

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00:19:01.000 Yes.

00:19:02.000 You are sort of like officially, unofficially back coming into the office.

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00:19:07.000 As much as I love my job, I do miss my baby.

00:19:11.000 So, well, we figured we'd throw you in the deep end and put you on the show day one.

00:19:14.000 So, welcome back.

00:19:15.000 So, I woke up this morning to a number of press inquiries.

00:19:15.000 All right.

00:19:21.000 This was like TMZ.

00:19:23.000 Entertainment Weekly, Fox, it was like the whole, ran the whole gamut.

00:19:29.000 And they were asking me about a particular comment by a particular, we'll say, comedian, actor that made a joke, I guess, at, I guess, kill Tony's expense, but it was really sort of at Charlie's expense.

00:19:44.000 And I don't want to go into detail, but many of you in the audience probably know about it.

00:19:48.000 There was a roast of Kevin Hart on Netflix over the weekend, and it was sort of the follow up to the roast of Tom Brady, which I actually watched and thought was funny.

00:19:57.000 It was a little bit.

00:19:59.000 Raunchy at times.

00:20:00.000 The Tom Brady one was good.

00:20:01.000 I did not watch the Kevin Hart one last night, but I watched the Tom Brady one.

00:20:04.000 I thought it was like pretty good.

00:20:06.000 All things considered for a raunchy roast, which all roasts are pretty raunchy, but at least Tom Brady's, it felt light.

00:20:14.000 It felt genuinely happy.

00:20:17.000 Everybody was kind of in good spirits.

00:20:19.000 This just, I didn't watch it, so maybe I should hold back my full opinion, but this just felt a little bit darker, a little bit more vicious.

00:20:28.000 The jokes were less funny and more sort of like, eh, like.

00:20:33.000 Cringe inducing.

00:20:34.000 Anyways, Pete Davidson made a comment that referenced Charlie's assassination.

00:20:40.000 And apparently, I mean, it was all over my X feed this morning.

00:20:44.000 So we brought in our cultural commentator to help us address it.

00:20:48.000 Well, I think we should say what the joke is.

00:20:50.000 Do you want to say it?

00:20:51.000 I don't even want to say it.

00:20:52.000 I found it that distasteful.

00:20:54.000 I get it, but if we're going to discuss it, I think we're not going to show the video, but I think we should say what it was.

00:20:59.000 So if you're sensitive to this, mute this briefly.

00:21:02.000 I'm just going to explain what the joke was.

00:21:04.000 So Pete Davidson was at this roast of Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:21:08.000 He was of Kevin Hart.

00:21:11.000 But as a roast, you're ridiculing a bunch of different people.

00:21:14.000 Yeah, you go after everybody.

00:21:15.000 So, a roast of Kevin Hart, but he was roasting Tony in the audience.

00:21:19.000 And Pete Davidson, who's a comedian, celebrity.

00:21:22.000 Who just got all his tattoos removed?

00:21:24.000 Famous for dating way out of his league.

00:21:26.000 Yes.

00:21:27.000 A variety of things.

00:21:27.000 SNL.

00:21:28.000 He did get his tattoos removed, which we discussed positively on Thought Crime, I will note.

00:21:32.000 But he said this joke going after Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:21:36.000 Tony is here looking like both a child molester and.

00:21:40.000 And the doll they give to the child to show where he touched them. 0.90

00:21:43.000 And then he continues Tony reminds me of Charlie Kirk in that he's definitely been on camera letting a guy unload in his throat.

00:21:52.000 Now, I will note the Hollywood reporter says, and I confirmed watching the video, the audience response is not positive to this.

00:21:59.000 There's actually a very big groan in the audience.

00:22:02.000 You see a couple people laughing, but mostly the audience is not into that joke.

00:22:07.000 So that's a good sign.

00:22:09.000 I think a lot of people are going to say.

00:22:10.000 The Hollywood reporter went on and said, Right?

00:22:12.000 That it was too early.

00:22:14.000 Yeah, the audience response suggested that it's too early for jokes about what happened to Charlie.

00:22:20.000 Well, and I just want to say this.

00:22:21.000 So, when Charlie got, I would say, roasted by South Park, I remember my first reaction was like, this is amazing.

00:22:30.000 This is the coolest thing ever happened.

00:22:32.000 Like, lean in, lean in, Charlie.

00:22:34.000 And he absolutely did.

00:22:35.000 It's not that we don't love humor and that we can't laugh along with actually funny jokes.

00:22:41.000 I would make two observations.

00:22:43.000 One, this is about somebody who was murdered.

00:22:47.000 And in really the most grotesque, like public way imaginable.

00:22:51.000 And he happens to be our close friend.

00:22:53.000 And so for me, my perspective is just I can't obviously divorce myself from the immediacy of the person that we're talking about here, Charlie.

00:23:04.000 But two, you know, I just don't think it was funny.

00:23:08.000 And when I saw the clip this morning, my instinct was my, I just cringed because kind of in the similar vein that the people in the audience, like that groan, because.

00:23:20.000 You know, I'm, listen, I'm not here to tell comedians that they can't do it.

00:23:23.000 You can joke about whatever you want.

00:23:26.000 I think comedy can be a really powerful outlet, especially when the culture was getting increasingly woke.

00:23:32.000 Guys like Dave Chappelle were like this release valve on some of these tense cultural moments.

00:23:37.000 I thought they were really important.

00:23:38.000 I think comedians can be very important.

00:23:40.000 For this particular moment, I just felt distasteful.

00:23:45.000 It's not a question of can you or can you not say something.

00:23:49.000 Anyone can say what they want to say.

00:23:52.000 It's more of a question of should we be saying all these things?

00:23:56.000 And it's also just a question of morality, I feel like.

00:23:59.000 Maybe we all need to be called to a higher standard.

00:24:01.000 I know that comedy is supposed to be crass and it's supposed to, you know, be on the line.

00:24:07.000 It's not supposed to be crass necessarily.

00:24:09.000 It's supposed to be challenging.

00:24:11.000 Comedy has more of an allowance to be crass.

00:24:14.000 You can lean that way.

00:24:15.000 But the issue that I have with this, more so than anything, is that we were talking about Pete Davidson's roast that they did of him.

00:24:23.000 Pete Davidson's dad died in 9 11.

00:24:25.000 He was a firefighter in New York.

00:24:27.000 He died going up one of the towers and then the tower collapsed.

00:24:31.000 And.

00:24:32.000 His roast was filled with jokes about that, which I equally think is disgusting. 0.99

00:24:37.000 Like, not just as people who are.

00:24:38.000 Was he upset about it?

00:24:40.000 No, he laughed along with it, I'm pretty sure.

00:24:42.000 I'm sure, like.

00:24:43.000 He was seven when his dad.

00:24:44.000 So, a little context here, though, is just before that, Kill Tony had gone on stage and made a joke about his dad being in the rubble or something.

00:24:54.000 And instantly, I sort of wondered was Pete Davidson's response a reaction to that?

00:25:00.000 Maybe, like, he had the joke on standby and he was thinking about using it, maybe wasn't.

00:25:03.000 But then once.

00:25:04.000 Kill Tony did that, he was like, I'm definitely doing it now.

00:25:07.000 Well, and maybe, but I don't think so because 10 years ago in the roast of Pete Davidson, it was already such a topic, it was very public.

00:25:13.000 This is ground that's been tread before, so it probably didn't shock him.

00:25:17.000 And I do wonder if maybe not even just a reaction specifically to Tony's joke, but just a reaction overall that you know, Pete Davidson was seven when his dad died, he has been in comedy, so I think he's a lot more used to these kinds of jokes, which I think are gross, but maybe for him, they're not as personal because he's had to separate himself from that.

00:25:36.000 But I would.

00:25:38.000 Have loved for him to have thought about hey, I grew up without my dad.

00:25:41.000 There are two kids out there who are growing up without their dad right now, and the less difficult I can make this on them throughout their lives, the better.

00:25:49.000 Like, I think that it's gross to what, yes, it's so close.

00:25:55.000 Like, I think that's what the Hollywood Reporter said, or it was too soon, the audience didn't care for it to make these jokes.

00:26:00.000 The audience didn't care for it, but I think, like I said, it's not a question of sure you're allowed to say these things, but I think we should all be thinking about should we say these things when they are.

00:26:10.000 One, so many people that are affected by this.

00:26:11.000 Two, it was so public.

00:26:13.000 And three, there is a family growing up there without their dad.

00:26:16.000 And this is not going to be helpful or age well at all.

00:26:20.000 I have a few thoughts on this.

00:26:22.000 I would say, as far as getting upset about it, I think there's other humor I've seen from other people that makes me a lot more upset.

00:26:31.000 Like, I would say stuff that happened basically right away dunking on Erica over, like, while she's very clearly grieving.

00:26:41.000 I found that a lot more appalling.

00:26:43.000 Than this.

00:26:44.000 I didn't like this.

00:26:45.000 I'm not going to laugh at it.

00:26:46.000 But in a sense, what we are being reminded of is Charlie is an iconic figure, a very famous figure.

00:26:55.000 Even people who didn't follow Charlie's stuff while he was alive, his death was basically the biggest news story in the country for that entire, arguably the entire year.

00:27:08.000 And so a lot of people are going to have knowledge of that, a reaction to that, and understanding of that moment.

00:27:14.000 And that's going to lead to comedy.

00:27:15.000 If you want an example, people.

00:27:18.000 Make jokes about the JFK assassination.

00:27:21.000 And they've been making humor out of that for a long time.

00:27:25.000 And I don't think those jokes will ever be funny if you're RFK Jr. or if you're someone from his family.

00:27:31.000 But it's just, it's inevitable because they're such a cultural touchstone.

00:27:35.000 And yeah, I agree.

00:27:37.000 I think this is inevitable.

00:27:38.000 Like at some point, I feel sort of just bound to the fact that I am now facing an existence where I'm going to get media inquiries for the foreseeable future because people reference.

00:27:47.000 In a dark way, I am happy that Charlie is an iconic figure because he deserves to be.

00:27:54.000 And it's going to have a lot of upside for faith, for revival, for setting a role model for conservatives.

00:28:00.000 But the downside is he's going to be a subject of humor because anything great is subject to humor.

00:28:06.000 So we were sort of talking about how Kill Tony and Charlie, I wouldn't say they were friends or anything close, but they did know each other.

00:28:14.000 Mutuals, there was a time, especially before the election, when comedy and the conservative movement were kind of conjoining forces.

00:28:24.000 A lot of podcasters were in the mix.

00:28:25.000 A lot of people were in the mix.

00:28:26.000 Well, yeah, at the Madison Square Garden, he made the joke about Puerto Rico that went viral.

00:28:31.000 Yes.

00:28:31.000 Oh, gosh.

00:28:32.000 We have a picture of them from our inaugural ball.

00:28:36.000 Yeah.

00:28:36.000 And you can see Tony.

00:28:38.000 Charlie.

00:28:38.000 Yeah, Charlie.

00:28:39.000 The other thing I would note is it did happen at a roast.

00:28:42.000 And I think roast set apart in terms of this is where comedy is really offensive and anything goes.

00:28:49.000 And if you don't want to see it, you should not watch roasts.

00:28:51.000 Yeah, I mean, you also can't escape the clips on the Monday morning.

00:28:55.000 Yeah, I just don't like it.

00:28:56.000 I still don't like it.

00:28:57.000 But that's where this is going to happen.

00:29:00.000 My full reaction is Did I like it?

00:29:03.000 No, of course I didn't.

00:29:04.000 Do I find it distasteful?

00:29:06.000 Of course I found it distasteful.

00:29:07.000 Am I shocked?

00:29:08.000 Not at all.

00:29:09.000 Hollywood is a pretty dark place and they make pretty raunchy, bad, inappropriate jokes.

00:29:15.000 A lot of these guys are just going to do that.

00:29:17.000 So, what are you going to do?

00:29:18.000 To your point, he is an icon.

00:29:20.000 He is a figure of history now.

00:29:22.000 And that has upsides, that has downsides.

00:29:25.000 So, it is what it is.

00:29:27.000 I want to close real quick on.

00:29:29.000 The topic just now because producer Angelo had some very good thoughts on it, which he just pointed out because we said it was at a roast.

00:29:35.000 Roasts are offensive humor.

00:29:36.000 And he says, The point of a roast is to cross the line, but you keep receipts on everyone who crossed those lines and the people who laughed at it.

00:29:46.000 Those are the stakes.

00:29:47.000 Those are the rules.

00:29:49.000 So, Pete Davidson, you cross the line.

00:29:51.000 So anything goes with Pete Davidson jokes in the future.

00:29:54.000 We should host a roast.

00:29:55.000 Yeah, we're going to do a roast of Pete Davidson.

00:29:58.000 He should come in studio.

00:29:58.000 Oh, dear.

00:30:00.000 I bet that would actually.

00:30:01.000 That'd be great. 0.99

00:30:01.000 We should get Pete Davidson and kill Tony right here. 0.99

00:30:04.000 We'll have to make sure that we are capable of making funny jokes first. 0.97

00:30:09.000 I could make some funny jokes about Pete Davidson.

00:30:11.000 All right.

00:30:13.000 He did just have a baby, like around the same time I did.

00:30:15.000 Did he really?

00:30:16.000 Yeah, for four and a half hours. 0.93

00:30:18.000 Dudes can't have babies.

00:30:19.000 Him and I believe it's his wife, but him and Elsie Hewitt had a baby.

00:30:25.000 And yeah.

00:30:25.000 He's married?

00:30:26.000 I don't know if they got married, but I know that they.

00:30:31.000 He was.

00:30:32.000 They have obviously done married things with his partner.

00:30:37.000 With his partner, welcome their first child on December 12th, 2025.

00:30:41.000 Anyway, we'll keep that in mind.

00:30:42.000 Yeah, we have the receipts there, Mr. Davidson, and we probably will use them because why not?

00:30:48.000 You did.

00:30:49.000 All right, so I want to get into this story.

00:30:51.000 We haven't talked much about it.

00:30:52.000 President Trump gave, and I do feel obligated to sort of give the necessary.

00:30:57.000 We're going to get into it with Citizen Kane in the next segment, but Iran is in a stalemate still. 0.80

00:31:03.000 They sent.

00:31:06.000 I guess a counter proposal to President Trump.

00:31:07.000 He didn't like it over the weekend.

00:31:09.000 So we're monitoring that story.

00:31:10.000 We're keeping tabs on the Iran story.

00:31:12.000 But in the meantime, there is a haunted virus outbreak, and we have not talked about it at all because, you know, it's kind of like.

00:31:20.000 We don't want to feed the next goat.

00:31:22.000 Yeah, we don't want masks and we don't want like mass hysteria.

00:31:26.000 Anyways.

00:31:27.000 It takes two weeks to control the spread.

00:31:28.000 I will tell you, people on TikTok are getting PTSD already.

00:31:31.000 Yeah.

00:31:31.000 My dear.

00:31:31.000 You know, it's like I totally agree.

00:31:33.000 This is why I'm bringing it up because I've seen some ridiculous reactions online, and so we want to deal with that.

00:31:41.000 Let's go ahead and play SOT22.

00:31:43.000 CDC teams are working side by side with ASPR, with UNMC, and with state and local officials to conduct assessments and provide ongoing monitoring and care.

00:31:54.000 This, this is what a strong public health system looks like experienced professionals, seamless coordination, and a shared commitment to protecting the American people.

00:32:05.000 We'll continue to follow the science, we will stay vigilant, and we will keep the public informed every step of the way.

00:32:12.000 All right.

00:32:12.000 So, there, I mean, obviously, this is, you know, we've got.

00:32:16.000 We've got the Assistant Secretary of Health, Admiral Brian Christine, on the CDC's response to the Honda virus.

00:32:22.000 That means they're bringing out, you know, official people and making sure everybody feels safe and secure.

00:32:26.000 So there was a cruise ship.

00:32:28.000 This is another example of why cruise ships can be problematic.

00:32:32.000 Actually, a lot of people love cruise ships.

00:32:34.000 I'm not saying you shouldn't do them, but this does seem to be.

00:32:37.000 Remember when.

00:32:37.000 That was also a thought crime topic at one point.

00:32:39.000 Coronavirus was a cruise ship.

00:32:41.000 Remember, we had.

00:32:42.000 I forget what the name of that cruise ship was.

00:32:44.000 Oh, Darris, you're right.

00:32:45.000 I told you this was not a cruise ship.

00:32:46.000 It was stuck out there, and it was kind of like the first.

00:32:49.000 Petri dish for people to study.

00:32:51.000 Five or six people on that ship died, didn't they?

00:32:53.000 People died.

00:32:53.000 I think they were stuck on the ship with the dead passengers.

00:32:57.000 Yeah, yeah, they were.

00:32:58.000 And it was kind of like a test case to see what the survival rate was, what, you know, how it was going.

00:33:03.000 But so here's the truth about Hantavirus it can be passed person to person, but it's very rare.

00:33:11.000 And I've heard the description of it is that it is inefficient.

00:33:15.000 And then so I get into the office and Daisy's like, well, it's in Arizona now.

00:33:19.000 I'm like, wait, what?

00:33:19.000 We have confirmed cases?

00:33:20.000 That's not.

00:33:21.000 Quite the case.

00:33:22.000 There are, I think, five states that they're monitoring.

00:33:25.000 It was New Mexico, California, Arizona, Washington, New Jersey, and Virginia.

00:33:32.000 Yes.

00:33:33.000 Oh, and it says Georgia as of May of 2026.

00:33:36.000 Okay.

00:33:38.000 So, what that means is there were people on board the cruise ship that have been flown back.

00:33:44.000 They went to, I believe, Nebraska, and they're being monitored for if they exhibit any signs of the Honta virus.

00:33:52.000 Yes.

00:33:53.000 Also, I just need to apologize.

00:33:54.000 I was reading the Previous highest states that had it.

00:33:57.000 The current states, Arizona, California, Georgia, New Jersey, Texas, and Virginia.

00:34:02.000 Those are the states that are being monitored.

00:34:03.000 Monitored.

00:34:04.000 Yes.

00:34:04.000 They don't have some huge outbreak.

00:34:06.000 Okay.

00:34:06.000 They're tracking residents from the cruise ship.

00:34:08.000 The Honta virus is about 30 to 40% fatal.

00:34:13.000 So I've never even heard of it.

00:34:14.000 Have you guys heard of it?

00:34:15.000 Yeah, I've heard of it.

00:34:16.000 I've heard of it.

00:34:17.000 But it's not a very common disease.

00:34:20.000 It's just, I don't know if they have any intel yet on where this originated from.

00:34:25.000 But we will get the Assistant Secretary in his own words again explaining, comforting you out there that this is not COVID 2.0, SOT 21.

00:34:35.000 And let me be clear, let me be crystal clear.

00:34:38.000 The risk of Hantavirus to the general public remains very, very low.

00:34:44.000 The Andes variant of this virus does not spread easily and it requires prolonged close contact with someone who is already symptomatic.

00:34:53.000 Even so, we have taken this situation very seriously.

00:34:57.000 Yeah.

00:34:58.000 So that's usually how it is.

00:34:59.000 If a disease is going to have that high of a fatality rate, it does at least spread more slowly, with more difficulty.

00:35:08.000 It's like Ebola.

00:35:08.000 Ebola is an absolutely horrible virus, but you only got it by direct contact with body fluids as opposed to aerosol.

00:35:17.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:17.000 That was what made COVID particularly challenging because of the way it spread.

00:35:21.000 And by the way, I got the OG COVID because I went to Florida when I was a kid.

00:35:25.000 I've never had it.

00:35:26.000 Never had it.

00:35:27.000 My husband's gotten every single day.

00:35:28.000 I bet you've had it.

00:35:29.000 I just thought it was a cold.

00:35:30.000 But now, COVID, coronavirus, it's basically the common cold at this point.

00:35:37.000 It's weakened over time, but the OG was the original.

00:35:42.000 COVID was legitimately, it would not be a panic.

00:35:45.000 The panic was, it was the Diamond Princess, and 700 people on the ship got infected, and as many as 14 of them died.

00:35:52.000 It says 7 to 14.

00:35:53.000 I don't know how they have that big of a range for this discreet group of people, but that's what had them panicking.

00:35:57.000 They made a documentary about it.

00:35:59.000 Did they?

00:36:00.000 COVID Cruise, yeah.

00:36:01.000 COVID Cruise, goodness.

00:36:02.000 It's going to be a horrible thing.

00:36:03.000 That's what I need more documentaries.

00:36:04.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:36:05.000 All right, but here's the bottom line do not panic.

00:36:08.000 This is an inefficient human to human spreader.

00:36:10.000 This is not COVID 2.0, and even if they tried to start doing that stuff, we will fight back.

00:36:14.000 We will lead the charge.

00:36:15.000 Okay.

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00:37:34.000 Kane from Citizen Free Press who joins us now.

00:37:37.000 Kane, welcome back to the show.

00:37:39.000 Happy to be here.

00:37:40.000 Well, we appreciate it.

00:37:42.000 I think we should start just calling this segment vibes or vibe check with Kane.

00:37:47.000 Vibe check with Kane.

00:37:49.000 Kane, you have your finger On the pulse of the conservative movement, the base, probably better than anybody else around.

00:37:56.000 You get this constant feedback loop with your audience, millions and millions of people every day checking citizen free press for their news and updates.

00:38:04.000 So the question came what are the vibes?

00:38:08.000 Well, they're very positive after the end of last week, obviously.

00:38:13.000 We had some really nice, you know, a Virginia Supreme Court decision and the U.S. Supreme Court decision.

00:38:20.000 So it was a really good weekend.

00:38:22.000 Yeah, people are, you know, I think a lot of, as we look forward to midterms, obviously, you know, we don't really even know the issues that are going to be in play in, you know, in late October, early November.

00:38:32.000 But a lot of it is excitement and getting, you know, and getting millions of voters.

00:38:41.000 Sorry.

00:38:45.000 That was actually my mom.

00:38:46.000 I just hung up on her. 0.98

00:38:48.000 We'll see how she responds to that.

00:38:51.000 Right after Mother's Day.

00:38:52.000 Hopefully, you got a lot of credit for a job well done yesterday.

00:38:57.000 I did.

00:38:58.000 It was a huge amount. 1.00

00:38:59.000 I think she actually, that's about a bathroom cabinet that she needs moved that was delivered this morning.

00:39:04.000 But yeah, look, I'm going to go ahead and predict it.

00:39:08.000 I don't think I'm really going out on a limb, really going out on a limb here, but I think we're going to have record turnout for midterms.

00:39:18.000 I think these midterms are going to be the highest turnout, at least of the modern era.

00:39:22.000 I'm not sure what turnout used to be like before the internet.

00:39:27.000 So that's sort of the vibe.

00:39:29.000 We're already kind of getting into that mode.

00:39:32.000 You've got Texas, May 26th is that Texas runoff election, and the The early voting for that actually begins on the 18th, which is next Monday.

00:39:42.000 And so people will, people will, you know, they need to get better, right?

00:39:49.000 Because Texas has sort of a weird thing.

00:39:51.000 They have an open primary.

00:39:52.000 So if you haven't, if someone didn't vote in the earlier part of the, or in the first primary, not the runoff, they're actually able to come in and vote for either party.

00:40:03.000 So there's a danger that Democrats could sort of sneak in in Texas.

00:40:09.000 And try to vote and affect that race and vote for Cornyn and prevent us from getting Paxton.

00:40:17.000 Although I'll say, last thing, there's a chance, if Democrats actually believe, I don't believe it myself.

00:40:23.000 I think that if Cornyn's the nominee, I think it depresses turnout on the Republican side.

00:40:29.000 So I don't think that electing Paxton is dangerous.

00:40:34.000 I think if so, anyway, but Democrats, at least they're spewing that.

00:40:39.000 So, yeah, I'm not sure how they would get involved, you know, what they would do to, you know, in that open primary if they would try to vote for Cornyn or Paxton.

00:40:46.000 But anyway, people need to be aware.

00:40:48.000 If you're in Texas, you can start voting early on the 18th.

00:40:52.000 And then we had the Virginia sneaky plan.

00:40:54.000 I don't know if you guys talked about that in the.

00:40:56.000 We should 100% because that's very fascinating.

00:41:00.000 I guess they have to do it by tomorrow if they're going to do anything.

00:41:02.000 I don't think they're likely to.

00:41:03.000 Explain what it is.

00:41:04.000 So, this happened, the surface over the weekend, as you remember, last Friday, we got the great ruling from the Virginia Supreme Court.

00:41:09.000 Struck down the referendum with their map because it was illegal.

00:41:12.000 They flagrantly broke the Constitution to do it.

00:41:15.000 And Virginia Democrats started to flip out and over the weekend reported in the New York Times as a real idea that was passing around.

00:41:21.000 They were contemplating convening the legislature and rush passing a bill to lower the mandatory retirement age on the Virginia Supreme Court because they have one from mid 70s to I believe 53, which would be younger than all the current justices.

00:41:37.000 Yeah, the youngest is 54.

00:41:38.000 Force retire all of them, replace the entire Supreme Court with people who will just instantly retire.

00:41:44.000 Bring back the referendum, let them do whatever they want.

00:41:47.000 An insane constitutional coup d'etat if they do that.

00:41:50.000 And I was thinking what you said about turnout getting amped up.

00:41:55.000 And it's, you know, there's two ways to read this.

00:41:57.000 On the one hand, we hear people think, oh, Democrats are doing well, they're polling well, they might have a good midterm, but they seem to be flipping out.

00:42:04.000 They are in constant panic.

00:42:07.000 But the flip side of that is they seem so agitated that would be a sign they're probably going to turn out in big numbers.

00:42:13.000 Yeah, no, you're right.

00:42:14.000 So here's the headline from the New York Times.

00:42:18.000 It says a private call reveals Democrats' desperation over tossing of MAP.

00:42:23.000 A conversation involving House members from Virginia and the top House Democrat.

00:42:27.000 We do have this image, guys.

00:42:29.000 Top House Democrat reflected the fury and desperation that has gripped the party after Friday's ruling in the state.

00:42:36.000 And of course, that's Hakeem, the bad dream Jeffries there.

00:42:41.000 And I will just let's play this clip just because, Kane, I think this gives a good indication of the current mental state of the Democrat.

00:42:49.000 Party, you know, Hakeem Jeffries, you got to imagine, given his role is, you know, within the leader of the minority party in the House, he's getting incoming from everybody.

00:42:59.000 You need to look like you're fighting.

00:43:00.000 You need to fight back.

00:43:01.000 This is a bloodbath.

00:43:02.000 You guys are losing the tradition.

00:43:03.000 You can imagine the pressure from the activist base is going to be tremendous.

00:43:09.000 SOT 16.

00:43:10.000 Republicans are in panic mode.

00:43:12.000 Remember, Ali, when we took the House back in 2018, we were 24 seats short.

00:43:19.000 We crossed over that hurdle, and in fact, in 2018, we flipped a total of 40 seats.

00:43:24.000 So we're going to take back control of the House of Representatives.

00:43:27.000 We're going to continue to make clear to the American people that we will lower their high cost of living, fix a broken health care system, and clean up the corruption that we're seeing.

00:43:35.000 In the country, in the Congress, certainly with the Supreme Court, and deal with the most corrupt administration in American history.

00:43:43.000 Now, we're going to need nationwide judicial reform.

00:43:46.000 We're going to need nationwide electoral reform.

00:43:49.000 We're going to need nationwide campaign finance reform, which is why we have to take the House back, take the Senate back, keep pressing forward, and then in 2028, take the presidency back as well.

00:44:01.000 Do you hear what he's calling for, Kane, there?

00:44:03.000 Electoral reform, nationwide judicial reform.

00:44:10.000 What they're trying to do in Virginia with mass retiring, forcing the mass retirement of the bench there, is exactly what they would try and do.

00:44:21.000 Dramatic, dramatic, probably, I would say, unconstitutional steps, really, certainly beyond the pale of our norms and customs and traditions as a country and as a body politic.

00:44:31.000 They would do this nationwide.

00:44:33.000 Yeah, they would.

00:44:35.000 And I think they would end the filibuster and they would pack the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:44:38.000 Of course.

00:44:39.000 I think that's.

00:44:40.000 Yeah, I think that's pretty obvious.

00:44:43.000 Hakeem Jeffries, yeah, I mean, Blake explained it pretty well.

00:44:46.000 They're freaking out in Virginia.

00:44:48.000 They had conference calls and meetings all weekend long trying to look at what alternatives there might be to kind of flip this again.

00:44:58.000 I don't see Spanberger agreeing to it.

00:45:00.000 I think there are a lot of sort of constitutional issues, and I think it would just be such blatant, naked hypocrisy if they were to do it.

00:45:08.000 But, you know, one thing I watched a lot of MSNBC and CNN this weekend.

00:45:14.000 You know, they're all freaking out about the Supreme Court in Louisiana, the Calais decision.

00:45:18.000 But what they're not talking about is the fact that they were perfectly happy, and they're perfectly happy right now, to have the Northeast have zero, you know, 13 states in the Northeast have zero Republicans, and yet they freak out about what may happen in the South.

00:45:32.000 So it's blatant hypocrisy.

00:45:33.000 I enjoy listening to them cry.

00:45:35.000 Getting back to Blake's point about turnout, I think it's going to drive their turnout, though.

00:45:39.000 That's why I think Trump's going to really turn this in to try to make this a presidential midterms, really do a lot of rallies.

00:45:45.000 So we're going to need it.

00:45:46.000 We're going to need turnout.

00:45:47.000 So, yes, the vibe check is positive.

00:45:52.000 I'm still worried about our turnout. 0.95

00:45:54.000 I agree with you that the gutting of Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act will definitely inspire them to get out. 0.57

00:46:01.000 They're already doing the Jim Crow 2.0 and the this is white supremacy stuff. 0.54

00:46:06.000 And I mean, it's literally. 0.88

00:46:09.000 It's pure insanity.

00:46:10.000 And they're doing all that stuff.

00:46:12.000 I'm still worried.

00:46:13.000 I have not seen proof yet that our turnout is going to be robust.

00:46:17.000 And that's my concern.

00:46:21.000 And again, I'm worried about the Iran stuff.

00:46:23.000 I think Iran is going to be depressing a lot of turnout.

00:46:25.000 I think there's a lot of support in this audience for the president's action in Iran, but I'm worried that some of that coalition that we built ahead of 2024 is not as enthusiastic.

00:46:37.000 Your vibe check, Kane.

00:46:39.000 Well, I think that the last statement you made is correct.

00:46:42.000 There's no doubt that a certain percentage, a certain part of the Trump base is vehemently opposed to this war.

00:46:51.000 And So it's going to hurt us a little.

00:46:54.000 Look, I'm trying to be optimistic, but I also know that Susie Wiles has set a goal that Trump is going to campaign for these midterms like no president, no sitting president has ever done before.

00:47:06.000 So I'm sort of counting on that.

00:47:08.000 I'm counting on lots of rallies in August and September and October.

00:47:13.000 And I'm counting on sort of people understanding what's at stake, that impeachment's at stake, that, I guess, packing the Supreme Court, I think to do that, That's a complicated thing I haven't really looked into.

00:47:27.000 Let's say the Senate were to pass that, right?

00:47:29.000 And the House.

00:47:30.000 Let's say they won both houses of Congress.

00:47:35.000 I'm not sure if that's something that has to be signed by the president.

00:47:38.000 So Trump would still be able to veto.

00:47:40.000 So maybe they won't be able to pack it.

00:47:42.000 And maybe you guys can do that research really quick.

00:47:47.000 But either way, I think we need to scare our base.

00:47:50.000 We need to scare the Republican electorate, the MAGA electorate, and let them know how important this is.

00:47:56.000 You know, we were talking about the maps.

00:47:57.000 I'm still all weekend long, I've been pissed off about these maps.

00:48:00.000 There's that meme going around where it says, like, it shows, you know, the Northeast with no Republican seats in 13 states, and they call that protecting democracy.

00:48:11.000 And then they show the South where there would still be a few Democrat seats, and they call that, you know, treasonous to the Constitution.

00:48:19.000 And I want to remind people because I wanted to know the numbers in Texas.

00:48:22.000 So Texas used to be 2513.

00:48:26.000 In congressional seats before the change made three or four months ago.

00:48:30.000 Now it's 30 to 8.

00:48:32.000 So I think, you know, this is getting a little bit longer term, but once the new census kicks in in 2030, maybe even in 2028, Texas can change their map again.

00:48:42.000 I mean, if Virginia is willing to go to 11 or excuse me, 10 to 1, and all these Northeast states can be zero Republicans, I'm not sure that Texas, you know, we'll see.

00:48:51.000 We'll see how rough it gets.

00:48:53.000 But I just want to remind Democrats that we've got eight seats, or they have eight seats in Texas.

00:48:57.000 That we don't necessarily have to allow them to have if they really want to play hardball.

00:49:02.000 Yeah, and I love how we've seen examples where they're discussing, oh, should we gerrymander Illinois even more?

00:49:08.000 They have that map where they call it, is it time to computer chip Illinois?

00:49:11.000 Because it literally looks like circuits on a computer chip.

00:49:14.000 And they do all of that to pick up two seats in Illinois. 0.54

00:49:17.000 And then you look at Florida and a similarly aggressive, deranged gerrymander.

00:49:21.000 And it's just like normal looking districts.

00:49:23.000 They all like nice squares and blocks.

00:49:25.000 And then every Democrat gerrymander looks like it was dropped.

00:49:28.000 From the Tron movie.

00:49:30.000 Yeah, it's literally spaghetti where every, they have a proposed map, Kane, I don't know if you've seen it, where every single spiderweb goes right up to Chicago.

00:49:38.000 So you could be in the south of Illinois and you'd be sharing a district with some portion of Chicago because that's just, it's so dominated by Democrats.

00:49:46.000 On the question of turnout, I just had the bizarre thought because we're saying Trump needs to do a bunch of rallies.

00:49:51.000 Can the GOP turn out if President Trump isn't on the ballot?

00:49:54.000 And I did just have the deranged thought enter my head what if every Senate and House candidate changed their name to Donald Trump?

00:50:01.000 So then Trump would be on the ballot?

00:50:02.000 That would be extreme.

00:50:04.000 That would be extreme.

00:50:06.000 All right, I got to play.

00:50:07.000 This is Mark Elias.

00:50:09.000 He is erupting.

00:50:10.000 He's in rage mode, Kane.

00:50:12.000 This is, of course, the Democrats' dirty trickster lawyer who says he's fighting for election integrity and for fairness in election.

00:50:21.000 And really, he's just trying to rig the game further for the Democrats.

00:50:24.000 Top 14.

00:50:25.000 I've not heard you this angry in a long time.

00:50:28.000 Have we learned nothing?

00:50:30.000 I mean, have we learned nothing?

00:50:31.000 Has the broader legal community not learned anything?

00:50:34.000 Have the. 0.81

00:50:35.000 Other than the civil rights groups, have people not learned that when you do this to black voters, it turns out bad for democracy for everybody? 0.79

00:50:45.000 So, yeah, I'm angry.

00:50:46.000 I'm angry because of the appalling silence that's going on right now around this case.

00:50:52.000 I'm here for it, Kane, right into my veins.

00:50:55.000 If Mark Elias is that upset, then something good is happening.

00:50:59.000 Something good is definitely happening.

00:51:02.000 Mark Elias freaking out like that.

00:51:04.000 Man, I'm going to put that.

00:51:05.000 That's going to be like my wake up tone, like my alarm in the morning.

00:51:10.000 That will get you right up out of bed.

00:51:12.000 Kane, your reaction.

00:51:14.000 Yeah, I enjoyed it.

00:51:16.000 I can't remember what headline I put with that.

00:51:17.000 Maybe wah, wah, wah, Mark Elias.

00:51:21.000 Yeah, I mean, you can just watch him and judge how, you know.

00:51:26.000 The far left socialist base is reacting.

00:51:28.000 But I wanted to comment on a few things you guys mentioned.

00:51:31.000 So, one of you mentioned the Florida map.

00:51:33.000 That's another reminder.

00:51:33.000 That's kind of like the Texas map.

00:51:35.000 Like, even after the four seats that just switched, Democrats still have a large number of seats in Florida.

00:51:41.000 And that can be, you know, if they want to mess with us, they just need to know that we can mess back, that we could take, you know, we could take more of their seats in Florida.

00:51:48.000 You mentioned the Illinois thing, everything's stretching up to Chicago.

00:51:52.000 You know, as a guy in Southern Indiana, Bloomington, Indiana University, and by the way, Signetti and IU is going to the White House today at 4 p.m.

00:51:59.000 So, if people want to, if there are Cignetti and IU fans, you may want to turn in.

00:52:04.000 They're football triumphs.

00:52:05.000 Great Indiana football triumph.

00:52:07.000 Yeah.

00:52:08.000 That's correct.

00:52:09.000 But so my point is, you know, Southern Indiana is all rural.

00:52:12.000 There's Indianapolis, and then you don't get anything until Evansville in the deep south.

00:52:17.000 Southern Illinois is exactly the same way.

00:52:19.000 That state, most of Illinois votes 70% Republican, 70% for Trump, but they get, you know, they get over, their numbers are canceled out by just crazy Cook County numbers.

00:52:30.000 And who knows how much cheating actually happens?

00:52:33.000 Yeah.

00:52:34.000 Yeah.

00:52:34.000 I mean, listen, if the Democrats end up trying to push through this Puerto Rico and D.C. as a state and all this garbage, I mean, I think we need to go full bore ahead with like Eastern Washington, Eastern Oregon.

00:52:48.000 We need to like break California into like three to five states.

00:52:53.000 We need to get Southern Illinois as its own state.

00:52:58.000 I mean, candidly, it's like if we have no rules and norms anymore, then we have no rules and norms anymore.

00:53:04.000 And by the way, yeah, we've made other states in the past.

00:53:07.000 In the past, but it wasn't for partisan purposes.

00:53:09.000 I'd love to make Hawaii a territory again.

00:53:11.000 My goodness, that'd be great.

00:53:14.000 I'm not kidding.

00:53:15.000 Like, that's just where I'm at right now.

00:53:17.000 Kane, Citizen Free Press, it's a must go to site.

00:53:21.000 The stack is always active and he's updating it every day.

00:53:25.000 Citizen Kane, thank you so much, my friend.

00:53:28.000 We'll talk to you soon.

00:53:29.000 Enjoyed it.

00:53:29.000 Thanks, guys.

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00:55:23.000 Without further ado, I want to bring in Stephen Moore, author of The Trump Economic Miracle and chairman and co founder of Unleash Prosperity.

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00:55:49.000 All right.

00:55:51.000 We're hearing that Iran is kind of at, It's not going well.

00:55:54.000 Like we were hoping there was going to be this peace deal.

00:55:57.000 President Trump is saying the ceasefire is essentially on life support.

00:56:02.000 What does that mean for the economy, energy prices in particular?

00:56:05.000 Obviously, 20% of the oil goes through the Strait there, Strait of Hormuz.

00:56:10.000 What are you looking at?

00:56:11.000 What are you expecting?

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00:56:31.000 So, look, it has been proven it's been harder than we thought it would be.

00:56:35.000 I think harder than I think the president thought it would be to get the situation, the supply chains open for the oil to flow through the Strait of Hormuz.

00:56:47.000 And we're now paying nationally about $4.25 a gallon for gas.

00:56:52.000 That's up from less than $3 a gallon a few months ago.

00:56:55.000 And that's like a tax on the U.S. economy.

00:56:57.000 So, it's one of the reasons that.

00:56:59.000 You know, people are angry about prices, but I still remain confident that within a month or so, we're going to get the straight open.

00:57:07.000 We're going to get gas prices back down as low as they were.

00:57:11.000 I mean, people forget that back, you go back to January and February, gas prices adjusted for inflation under Trump were as low as they'd been in 50 years.

00:57:19.000 Everybody would love to see a return to that.

00:57:22.000 And so obviously that has trickle down effects across the economy.

00:57:22.000 Yeah.

00:57:26.000 But the upshot here is that we have, um, Got a great jobs report from April, and then we adjusted up March.

00:57:35.000 So I don't know how that's all working.

00:57:37.000 I'm going to play a clip here, and you can tell me what you make of it.

00:57:41.000 Sop 4.

00:57:42.000 This is a payroll for the last two months dominated by private payrolls.

00:57:48.000 How do I know, Nicole?

00:57:50.000 Another 9,000 federal jobs lost.

00:57:53.000 That means since the peak in October 24, October 24, remember that date, the federal government is down 348%.

00:58:03.000 That's 11.5% cut in the federal workforce.

00:58:07.000 Despite that, jobs are gaining.

00:58:10.000 It's all private sector.

00:58:12.000 It's quite amazing, actually.

00:58:14.000 All right.

00:58:14.000 So, the federal government is its smallest that it's been since 1966.

00:58:18.000 It's a huge accomplishment when we had this bloated federal bureaucracy, and yet jobs are still, we're still gaining despite what's happening in Iran. 0.99

00:58:28.000 What do you make of it? 0.75

00:58:29.000 What's driving this?

00:58:30.000 Well, that phenomenon that you just talked about, the short way of describing it.

00:58:34.000 This is to say that Donald Trump is doing what he promised to do, which is to drain the swamp.

00:58:39.000 And we have 3 million civilian government, federal government workers.

00:58:44.000 It should be about half that number.

00:58:47.000 And so Trump has done an amazing job of against huge amounts of resistance in Washington, D.C. to reduce massively the size of the federal workforce.

00:58:57.000 And so kudos to Trump for doing that.

00:59:00.000 All of these presidents who come in, they promise they're going to downsize the government.

00:59:04.000 Trump has actually done it.

00:59:06.000 So what we've seen is virtually, not virtually, but every single job that has been created under Donald Trump in his second term, every one of them has been a private sector job.

00:59:17.000 Remember, when Biden was president, we'd get these.

00:59:19.000 Pretty good jobs report saying, oh, 250,000 jobs were created and like half of them were government.

00:59:24.000 Yep.

00:59:25.000 Yeah.

00:59:26.000 I wonder how long it's going to take actually just to like chip away at what Biden added to the federal workforce.

00:59:31.000 Like when do we get to parity there just to reset back to 2020?

00:59:36.000 He's on Trump has almost fired as many federal workers as Biden has added them.

00:59:42.000 So this is very good news.

00:59:44.000 Now we have to start cutting the, you know, the expenditures because it's a good thing to reduce the number of federal workers and regulators.

00:59:52.000 And now we've got to get the the spending down.

00:59:55.000 I mean, look, we're facing a debt deficit of about $2 trillion.

00:59:59.000 As you know, our national debt, this is a disgrace, is now larger than our annual GDP.

01:00:05.000 And that is a prescription for economic disaster.

01:00:09.000 That's why I love Doge.

01:00:10.000 We need Doge Part 2, Part 3, Part 4.

01:00:12.000 Keep finding.

01:00:13.000 By the way, if you notice, the liberals do not want to expose the fraud in the programs.

01:00:18.000 A report just came out last week from the General Accounting Office.

01:00:22.000 The auditor is finding $200 billion of fraudulent payments in In these income transfer programs.

01:00:28.000 And that's just the fraud that they know about.

01:00:30.000 So the real number is probably four times higher than that.

01:00:33.000 Yeah, it's obscene, actually.

01:00:35.000 I want to talk about this issue of the federal deficit because affordability is such a huge topic of conversation.

01:00:43.000 And rightly so.

01:00:44.000 Steve, how do you make the point? 0.91

01:00:46.000 Because listen, I understand that Iran is not helping things when you go to the gas pump and you realize gas is $5 a gallon.

01:00:54.000 But a lot of this came under Biden.

01:00:57.000 Right, we are still dealing with structural affordability issues that we inherited from Biden.

01:01:03.000 Yeah, the attention span of the average voter is pretty short.

01:01:06.000 They're just going to put that on the economic power that's in office now, they're going to blame Trump as opposed to understanding this.

01:01:12.000 Biden, how do you make the case when you're asked about affordability, whether that's housing, energy, what have you?

01:01:19.000 Explain it in layman's terms so people can understand it.

01:01:23.000 A lot of this had to do with the massive spending that we experienced under Biden, and in general, the affordability crisis is the lords of easy money this printing of.

01:01:31.000 money now in the 30 trillion plus?

01:01:34.000 So that's a great question.

01:01:36.000 And we just ran these numbers at Unleash Prosperity.

01:01:38.000 We estimate over the last roughly six years since the end of COVID, 80% of the increase in prices for things like groceries, things like housing, things like healthcare, 80% of that happened under Biden, not Trump.

01:01:56.000 Now, the prices have trickled up a bit in the last few months because of the higher energy prices.

01:02:02.000 But I always say, yeah, are you angry about prices?

01:02:05.000 Are you angry about what it costs to go to the grocery store?

01:02:08.000 You should be.

01:02:08.000 And you should be blaming Biden for that, not Trump.

01:02:12.000 In fact, in Trump's first term, we had record low inflation.

01:02:15.000 So it's really important for Republicans to make that message all the time and to connect the dots between it didn't just happen by coincidence.

01:02:25.000 Why did we see the inflation go up to as high as 9% under Biden, the worst record since Jimmy Carter was in office?

01:02:33.000 And that happened because Biden came in and spent and borrowed and printed $4 trillion.

01:02:37.000 Period.

01:02:37.000 Howard stopped.

01:02:39.000 And when you do that, when you spend that kind of money and you print that kind of money, what's going to happen to prices?

01:02:44.000 They're going to go up.

01:02:45.000 Milton Friedman taught us that.

01:02:46.000 What is inflation?

01:02:47.000 Too many dollars chasing too few goods.

01:02:50.000 That's what we had under Biden.

01:02:52.000 When you look back to the late 70s and 80s, Stephen Moore unleashed prosperity.

01:03:00.000 When did that affordability crisis, that inflation crisis, when did people actually start feeling the relief?

01:03:08.000 How long did it take?

01:03:09.000 Well, so, you know, I was in my teens in the 70s, and I arrived in Washington in the early 80s when Reagan was president.

01:03:18.000 And it took Reagan about 18 months to get the, I mean, he succeeded three of the worst presidents in American history, Nixon, Ford, and Carter.

01:03:27.000 And so it took, it takes a while to, but here's the thing.

01:03:31.000 And I think this is exactly what's going to happen to Trump.

01:03:34.000 So I'm glad you asked this question.

01:03:36.000 You know, by the end of about the middle of 1982, everybody's, oh, Reaganomics is a catastrophe.

01:03:43.000 It's a failure.

01:03:44.000 We have to change course.

01:03:46.000 And Reagan's up saying, no, stay the course, stay the course, stay the course.

01:03:49.000 And by the beginning of 1983. we had the biggest economic boom in American history.

01:03:55.000 It was what the Wall Street Journal called the seven-year boom.

01:04:00.000 And I think we could see that under Trump.

01:04:03.000 As soon as we get oil prices down, I think you could see one of the great economic booms like we had in the 80s.

01:04:10.000 When I came to Washington, the Dow Jones was at 1,000.

01:04:13.000 As soon as the Reagan boom started, here we are at Dow 50,000.

01:04:17.000 So I'm very bullish on the U.S. economy.

01:04:20.000 If we can get a victorious And peaceful settlement there in the Middle East.

01:04:25.000 Well, and Stephen, a lot of the reports right now is that corporate earnings are remaining high.

01:04:30.000 That's why you're seeing the stock market go up.

01:04:34.000 Are you seeing the economic underlying data that says that that is getting to the people, that we're seeing that in higher wages, whatever?

01:04:42.000 Yeah, we are.

01:04:42.000 In fact, we do a report every month at Unleash Prosperity that we give the data about six months before anybody else reports it.

01:04:51.000 So in Trump's first term, we saw a $6,000 after inflation increase in median income in the United States.

01:05:00.000 That was the fastest growth of median income in terms of dollar amount in history.

01:05:05.000 And then through 2025, Trump's first year of his second term, we saw a $2,500 increase in real median income above inflation.

01:05:16.000 So yeah, Trump is now in the last couple of months, inflation has gone up.

01:05:21.000 So wages have fallen a little bit behind.

01:05:24.000 But once we get inflation back down to 2%, I think you're going to see a real boom, what Reagan used to call a rising tide that will lift all boats.

01:05:33.000 Stephen Moore, co founder, and I mean, honestly, Unleashed Prosperity is a great resource.

01:05:39.000 Everybody needs to check it out.

01:05:40.000 Get that daily email in your inbox and get educated.

01:05:44.000 Be the smartest guy in the room.

01:05:46.000 Stephen Moore, thank you.

01:05:47.000 God bless you.

01:05:48.000 We'll talk to you soon.

01:05:48.000 Thanks, guys.

01:05:49.000 Have a great week.

01:05:50.000 You too.

01:05:51.000 All right, Blake.

01:05:53.000 It is Monday, and we've had a lot of news here.

01:05:57.000 And so much of it is now hinging upon President Trump's next move in Iran.

01:06:03.000 We just talked about it with Stephen Moore.

01:06:05.000 So much of the economy, this inflation, this uptick in inflation, is hinging on this.

01:06:10.000 The midterms hinge on this.

01:06:12.000 It doesn't seem like we're about to get out of this anytime soon.

01:06:16.000 That's my read on it. 0.58

01:06:17.000 It seems like the blockade is working, but the Iranians are not just bailing on their aspirations to maintain a grip on power or to stop being a thorn in America's side.

01:06:27.000 Yeah, I mean, it's the fundamental. 0.84

01:06:30.000 Split of this war, actually, when you read about it, it's we obviously have way more resources, we have way more weapons, we can essentially bomb them at will, we can kill their leadership at will, but it's one of the most asymmetric conflicts ever in terms of commitment on each side.

01:06:50.000 And that's what balances out that we have vastly more ability to project force on them, but actual enthusiasm for the conflict is very low with half the country and even with the part that's in favor of it.

01:07:02.000 It's not that they were chomping at the bit for the conflict, it seems. 0.58

01:07:05.000 And then on the flip side, Iran, they're dying in large numbers.

01:07:09.000 They're not really able to strike us, but it's an ideological conflict of such intensity that it does seem a lot of them have decided they'll just handle whatever pain it takes and they'll just hope, you know, maybe we'll get a better deal in a year or a better deal in three years or maybe it just doesn't matter. 0.73

01:07:26.000 If we die, it's in Allah's hands.

01:07:28.000 Well, and here's the issue we have to remember they killed 42,000 protesters.

01:07:33.000 In the streets in January in Iran.

01:07:36.000 So I'm beginning to become convinced that this conflict will not come to any sort of pure, clear, clean resolution with the regime that's currently in power remaining in power.

01:07:47.000 I'm not advocating for regime change.

01:07:49.000 I'm simply saying that this regime was deeply entrenched into the power structure of this country and the citizenry is not armed.

01:07:59.000 Now, Trump has hinted that they could arm the Iranians, that they might be getting weapons, and maybe that changes the calculation. 0.99

01:08:05.000 But it doesn't seem like we're prepared to take out the regime, and probably rightly so. 1.00

01:08:10.000 I think that would be a quagmire of incredible depth and duration that we do not want to enter into right now.

01:08:20.000 So the citizenry is terrified.

01:08:22.000 They're frightened.

01:08:22.000 They're probably traumatized from 42,000 other protesters being killed.

01:08:26.000 And then on top of all of this, we have the Chinese aspect, right? 0.92

01:08:31.000 So President Trump is going to be traveling to meet with Xi over in China, and apparently he's going to be bringing Fink.

01:08:38.000 Elon Musk, Tim Cook, and about 15 other industries, titans from the United States, talking about AI, talking about trade.

01:08:48.000 There's a new Wall Street Journal report that President Trump might be importing more beef to help lower prices on beef.

01:08:55.000 It is a very tricky set of variables that President Trump is trying to navigate because, on the one hand, he's got to bring down prices for affordability, he's got to show economic advancements and progress, but he's got these.

01:09:08.000 International, I guess, you know, issues that we still have to work out in order to get forward progress in those areas.

01:09:16.000 Well, it's such an interesting thing with him bringing those industry leaders because it gets at the double edged nature of this, which is President Trump wants to bring up American industry.

01:09:24.000 He wants America to be economically powerful and not just rich, but specifically productive.

01:09:31.000 That's why we have all the tariffs, he wants to bring manufacturing back to the United States.

01:09:34.000 He wants things made in America, done in America, very old fashioned, but I think.

01:09:39.000 In my opinion, I think you would agree, the correct view that a nation is not strong unless it is actually wielding the elements of strength. 0.94

01:09:46.000 We can't just import everything from China.

01:09:48.000 And yet, those business leaders who are the best manifestations we have of that are probably the ones who are also lobbying him the hardest to lower those tariff barriers because it's always that temptation.

01:10:01.000 It'll actually work out better for us if we have more trade with China, if we offshore more things to China, if we build more things in China.

01:10:09.000 It'll work out better for everyone.

01:10:10.000 That was the sales pitch we were made in the 90s and 2000s. 0.66

01:10:13.000 And we now know that that was kind of a sucker's play.

01:10:17.000 Yeah.

01:10:17.000 Well, it's a very interesting thing because, again, Trump is balancing multiple inputs all at the same time.

01:10:23.000 Okay.

01:10:24.000 So we want to lower the affordability issue.

01:10:27.000 Again, Stephen Moore just said that 80% of the affordability issue was created because of Joe Biden's terrible policies.

01:10:34.000 I think that's a really important talking point, and I want you all to log that.

01:10:37.000 80% of the affordability crisis that we are currently experiencing for blue collar working class people in this country was created as a direct result of Biden's policies.

01:10:46.000 But so then you inherit these problems where your population is suffering under a mountain of affordability issues, housing, health care, education.

01:10:55.000 How much can you push the envelope to achieve long term beneficial goals, namely tariffs, right?

01:11:01.000 If you're tariffing goods that are hollowing out your working class, your industrial base, how much pain can the population take to achieve a long term end?

01:11:09.000 That is the conundrum that you're in when you inherit such a mess from the previous administration without getting saddled with it politically.

01:11:16.000 And 100%.

01:11:17.000 And it's interesting because President Trump is a man of tremendous political instincts.

01:11:22.000 And so he, to put it lightly, he often is a guy who's very focused on how does this play in the next few weeks, in the next few months.

01:11:31.000 He's a guy who.

01:11:33.000 He often takes the short term view of politics, which I think is innate to his attitude.

01:11:36.000 If you read The Art of the Deal, he says, I don't get too high or too low because everything can change in a moment.

01:11:43.000 And so I think he thinks, I should focus on short term stuff because I have no idea what the future is going to be.

01:11:47.000 So you might as well do what makes sense now.

01:11:49.000 And tariffs are actually one of the big exceptions to that, where he really is taking the long view.

01:11:54.000 It's the thing he's most committed to, it's the thing that he plows ahead on despite opposition from his own party, from his own base, from his own economic advisors.

01:12:04.000 He's most fervently committed to that.

01:12:06.000 It's like the thing he believes in the most.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 11, 2026

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