00:00:46.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:53.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:36.000And I was able to have a candid conversation on the condition of anonymity, but he said, Charlie, we are so close to having the Ukrainians totally kick the Russians out of Ukraine.
00:01:48.000I think the man is on hallucinogenics.
00:01:52.000I can't conceive of anything more inaccurate, but this is consistent with this utterly fictional narrative that comes out of Washington and London primarily.
00:02:03.000Ukrainians have taken horrendous losses.
00:02:06.000There's some evidence that when Zeluzhny, the commander of Ukrainian forces, met with Secretary Austin and General Milley, that he told them that Ukrainians had sustained 250,000 dead, including civilians and military.
00:02:22.000We know that they've lost 150,000 plus dead.
00:02:28.000And the other thing that nobody seems to understand is that Ukraine is no longer a nation of 37.5 million as it was when the war began.
00:02:36.000More than 10 million Ukrainians have left the country.
00:02:39.000All of the Ukrainians interviewed in Western Europe have said they will never go back.
00:02:44.000To that must be added the losses taken in the war, the fact that there were already 4 million or excuse me, 2 million Ukrainians working in Western Europe and the United Kingdom.
00:02:55.000And there are now 4 million Russian-speaking Ukrainian citizens living under Russian occupation where they feel obviously liberated from the Ukrainian oppressor.
00:03:06.000So if you put all those numbers together, you end up with a nation of perhaps 18 to 22 million.
00:03:12.000This is a fraction of what the war began with.
00:03:15.000So I don't know what these people are talking about.
00:03:17.000Meanwhile, the Russians have over 700,000 troops poised to enter Ukraine.
00:03:23.000The Ukrainian front in the south is crumbling, disintegrating.
00:03:27.000The Ukrainians can't recruit and mobilize any longer.
00:03:30.000They have to force people at gunpoint into the fight.
00:03:34.000The whole thing is a tremendous tragedy.
00:03:38.000And as General Milley suggested weeks ago, this would be a good time to negotiate.
00:03:42.000Of course, that was weeks ago, and things have gotten a lot worse.
00:03:45.000So I don't know who the senator is, but he ought to check his facts because not much coming out of the CIA or MI6 these days is truthful.
00:03:56.000What that senator said is consistent with also what Lindsey Graham said recently in his visit to Ukraine and also Democrat senators as well.
00:04:05.000And what you are explaining, and it makes total sense to me, is the polar opposite of what you will get from some of the propaganda networks where they say, hey, just, you know, a thousand more missiles, tanks, planes, and this thing can be over by the spring.
00:04:31.000However, I think it's a fair thing to glean from history.
00:04:34.000Fighting Russia in the winter is not exactly the brilliant takeaway of the last 200 years in military history.
00:04:42.000Why is it that our military regime can't see this clearly?
00:04:47.000Well, keep in mind that the people that are at the top of the American military establishment were not selected for demonstrated character, competence, or intelligence.
00:04:57.000They were picked because they were politically malleable.
00:05:00.000These are people that are willing to say and do whatever the politicians want them to do or say.
00:05:06.000And they are always interested in acquiring more cash to buy more things in the Department of Defense.
00:05:13.000And that helps them when they retire to get good jobs in the defense industry or even on Wall Street, where defense money counts for a great deal of income.
00:05:22.000So the bottom line is, I think you're dealing with a very tragic situation.
00:05:27.000It's going to be impossible to hide in the months ahead.
00:05:30.000I think within the next six weeks, effectively, Ukraine as a state will collapse.
00:05:38.000I mean, you have Ukrainian soldiers posting videos of themselves freezing without food, without medical care, can't get ammunition, begging for permission to withdraw because they cannot survive the onslaught of the Russians.
00:05:53.000And increasingly, they're saying, you know, if this doesn't stop, we Ukrainians will go to Kiev and put this regime out of business.
00:06:04.000We should be interested in putting a stop to it and negotiating without preconditions, because that's the only way we can put a stop to this war.
00:06:14.000And I asked this question of one of the good guys, one of the senators that's actually asking the proper question, Senator Hawley, who was on our program.
00:06:22.000And I'm going to ask this to you as well, just more generally.
00:06:24.000Why is it that nobody in leadership is even saying the word peace?
00:06:33.000Well, Charlie, if you think back to the beginning of this war, when the Russians went in initially, they went in in small numbers.
00:06:41.000They had strict guidance from President Putin and the Russian high command to, frankly, kill as few people as possible and do as little damage as possible.
00:06:51.000Because the expectation in Moscow was that when we saw that they were quite serious, that they would not tolerate this dangerous threat in eastern Ukraine on their border, a threat that would inevitably include precision-guided missiles, theater ballistic missiles from the United States, they thought that they have someone to negotiate with.
00:07:11.000It took them several months to come around to the understanding that this is very little to do per se with Ukraine.
00:07:18.000This is an all-out war to destroy Russia, to destroy its government, to dismember it, to eliminate it as a major power.
00:07:26.000That's caused to see change in Russia that no one here in the West expected.
00:07:31.000And I think we decided, well, you know, the Russians are weak.
00:08:00.000I have three questions that adults would ask about Ukraine if they weren't trying to get a contract from Raytheon in the future, which is what does success look like?
00:08:11.000What are you willing to spend to get to that level of success?
00:08:13.000And then finally, will you ever acknowledge failure or error at any time and be honest with yourself and the American people and the citizens that things might not be going according to plan?
00:08:23.000And number three is a violation of the commandment of Washington, D.C., which is it's always the people's fault, never our own fault.
00:08:36.000Well, they're not going to say that we were badly advised by the general officers, because if they do that and pin the blame on the bad military advice they got from the top, then the generals are likely to go public and say things that are unkind about the political leadership.
00:08:52.000I mean, this is one of these situations where everyone is prepared to point fingers at everybody else to avoid blame.
00:08:59.000And I think someone like Senator Graham has decided that it's better to go down with the ship and fail miserably and catastrophically than it is to say you were wrong.
00:09:09.000Of course, I disagree with that because I see Ukraine as a nation effectively vanishing from the European map the way we're headed.
00:09:18.000Yeah, and this is not a game of risk with your friends in a college dormitory.
00:09:24.000It feels like they're treating it that way sometimes, though.
00:09:26.000These are people's lives with real people being displaced.
00:09:30.000And talking to Ukrainians on the ground, one Ukrainian family I talked to yesterday that I just adore.
00:11:03.000Some of your viewers may not be aware that when he originally ran for election, two things were true.
00:11:09.000First of all, Zelensky could not speak a word of Ukrainian.
00:11:13.000He was only fluent in Russian, his original native language.
00:11:17.000Secondly, he ran on a platform of essentially peace and reconciliation, of promising to negotiate an end to the fighting with Russia, particularly in Luhansk and Donetsk.
00:11:31.000And of course, he completely reversed himself once he was in power.
00:11:35.000In addition, when he met with Putin and the leaders of the West about the Minsk accords, one of the critical conditions of the Minsk Accords was that Russians living inside Ukraine would have equal rights before the law, that Russians could still speak their language, they could write in their language, they could actually educate their children in the language.
00:12:29.000He has expensive homes in various places.
00:12:32.000One is Venice, I'm told something in Miami.
00:12:35.000And I think once this war is over and we dig into the government in Kiev, we're going to discover large numbers of people with fat bank accounts in places like Cyprus, who all attempted or succeeded in leaving the country with hundreds of millions of dollars in hard cash.
00:12:53.000The consensus of Hollywood in Washington, D.C., that this guy is the best person ever, and in that he's kind of the modern-day Winston Churchill, someone who loves Churchill and has studied him and has read a fair amount of his writings.
00:13:07.000I just find that to be such an insult on so many different levels.
00:13:10.000But so the Biden administration is entertaining, and to their credit, they haven't done this yet because it would be so insane to send F-16s, but they are sending tanks and they're sending weapons, so they don't deserve any credit for that.
00:13:22.000And the military machine is focused, as we said earlier, on trying to just increase the conflict, raise the temperature.
00:13:30.000So I want you to respond to one argument that I received more than any other argument, Colonel.
00:13:34.000And sometimes I don't answer it honestly as clearly as I should.
00:13:38.000This is the number one argument I get from people that support it and politicians.
00:13:41.000Charlie, if we don't do this, then the CCP is going to take over Taiwan.
00:13:47.000Oh, that's utter and complete nonsense.
00:13:50.000Remember, I think it was General Abizade and others back in 2003 and 2004 were telling everyone that if we don't defeat the Iraqi insurgency, we'll be fighting the insurgents in our own country.
00:14:05.000We'll be fighting them in the streets.
00:14:07.000During the Vietnam War, Lyndon Johnson told everyone, if we don't defeat the Vietnamese communists, the Vietnamese communists will be fighting us in the streets of Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.
00:14:18.000This is the oldest and the most utterly false argument imaginable.
00:14:23.000It's all bound up with this what I call billiard ball analysis.
00:14:28.000In other words, the ball hits one ball and then suddenly all the balls are taken down together.
00:14:41.000This is absolutely fundamentally wrong.
00:14:44.000What's happening in Ukraine has nothing to do with anything inside Europe or the United States.
00:14:50.000It has everything to do with this man Zelensky, his regime, and then people in Washington, sadly, who provoked him and urged him to make war on Russia, thinking that we could somehow or another win it.
00:15:04.000Just add a little more context and color to how Zelensky took power.
00:15:07.000Was the Central Intelligence Agency involved?
00:15:10.000Well, I think he took power legitimately because of his platform.
00:15:14.000With the exception of one small area around Lvov in western Ukraine, virtually everybody signed up for Zelensky when he ran because he promised an end to the war, which should tell you something about the true sentiments of the people of Ukraine.
00:15:34.000And I think more our regime definitely was pushing Zelensky closer and closer.
00:15:39.000Is it true that there was a peace deal that potentially was offered right before the invasion that either our government, Biden or Zelensky, refused?
00:15:50.000No, there was never anything on offer from us or Zelensky before the Russians intervened.
00:15:56.000But what we did have was an opportunity for some sort of negotiated settlement because Zelensky and his team announced that they would accept neutrality.
00:16:05.000As soon as that happened, Boris Johnson flew in from London and said, we in Washington will never accept that.
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00:17:32.000Christina Bob joins us about her new book, Stealing Your Vote, The Inside Story of the 2020 Election, What It Means for 2024.
00:17:49.000I started digging into kind of the questions that I had about it.
00:17:53.000Probably many of your viewers had the same questions.
00:17:56.000And I just started taking notes and recording.
00:17:59.000I interviewed, you know, hundreds and hundreds of people, whether it was elected officials, poll workers, witnesses, county clerks, city clerks, everybody that maybe had a part in the election.
00:18:12.000I was interviewing them and just taking notes, taking notes.
00:18:14.000I like to joke that I accidentally wrote a book because by the time it was all done, I thought, you know, I've got to get this out there so people can see what, not just what transpired, but a lot of the behind the scenes politicking of why didn't we have more Arizona style audits?
00:18:31.000And why were some very Republican communities blocked from investigating their own election?
00:18:37.000So I try to answer those questions and shed some light on not just the actual process of the election, where it went wrong, although I do that too, but really give you the politics behind the scenes of what happened.
00:18:47.000What surprised you most in researching this saga, this crime?
00:18:56.000The way I like to summarize it is Democrats stole the election and Republicans covered it up.
00:19:00.000I was very surprised at many Republican leaders that just refused to allow their constituents to go further.
00:19:08.000And look, whether it was their colleagues that wanted to do an Arizona-style audit in another state and they were blocking that or constituents that had open records requests or FOIA requests.
00:19:20.000And I was just really surprised at the amount of effort that Republican leaders put into trying to maintain the status quo when so many of their constituents are frustrated with the status quo.
00:19:34.000Yeah, so you mentioned the Arizona audit.
00:19:37.000What was the kind of conclusion of that?
00:19:40.000Because I don't think, unfortunately, that audit really materialized in any structural changes in the 2022 election.
00:21:29.000I'm not going to say who, but a certain staff member was in the room and said that it's all false.
00:21:34.000And so I'll be very honest, the people closest to President Trump didn't listen to him.
00:21:40.000Well, I can't speak for who was close to President Trump at the time, but I certainly saw after the election.
00:21:46.000And I think we can all recognize that whether it was the RNC or local officials or whoever it was, there wasn't a proper response from Republicans.
00:21:57.000I don't think we're letting out any secrets.
00:22:01.000At least personally, I'm dissatisfied with the response.
00:22:03.000So the way I would answer that is the people need to get involved.
00:22:08.000I don't think we can rely on even quite honestly, even elected officials, and particularly Arizona has a bunch of great fighters.
00:22:16.000You've gotten good elected officials there, but we've given them two years to prove to us that they can solve this problem.
00:22:22.000And it hasn't happened to my satisfaction yet.
00:22:26.000And so I think the answer really is a grassroots movement, something that Turning Point does very, very well.
00:22:58.000I mean, I saw my, when I went to go vote on election day, these poor guys were doing their best to try to get a machine to work and they were unsuccessful.
00:23:07.000So you got Stephen Richard, you got Bill Gates, Arizona, we could go at length, but Georgia has its own problems.
00:23:26.000And certainly you're not the first person to express that concern that I've heard anyway.
00:23:31.000I would say hang in there and get involved.
00:23:33.000To the people who are starting to get discouraged, I would say get involved now because the most encouraging place to be is with a group of MAGA patriots who are fighting for this country.
00:23:44.000And so get involved, get involved in a grassroots effort in your area or work with your state or local GOP, whoever you gel with and feel like I can support that vision.
00:23:55.000Catch their vision and run with it, because if you sit back and just watch the news, you're going to get depressed and what I say is, we just got to this fight.
00:24:03.000We really just kind of figured out what was going on in 2020 and then we had 2022 and realized, you know, we didn't make enough change by 2022, so we've got another election cycle.
00:24:14.000I mean, they've been doing this for decades.
00:24:21.000You know, later on we can complain about it, but we don't have time to get depressed about it, because this is an all hands on deck moment and I would be willing to bet at least the people that have voiced um, the sentiment to me of oh, I don't want to vote anymore, I don't want to do anything.
00:24:35.000I would bet most of those people and I mean this with all respect probably haven't been working the polls.
00:24:40.000They probably haven't been volunteering.
00:24:42.000I mean, you know, Turning Point has some amazing uh rallies and and uh, get out the volunteer effort.
00:25:31.000Stealing your vote by Christina Bobby.
00:25:33.000What is the most achievable reform that you think we can get done by christmas?
00:25:38.000I think we, if we have enough people getting involved to be on the chain of custody meaning volunteers at every point on the chain of custody want it makes it harder for them to insert illegal ballots into the count.
00:25:50.000So I think just having the numbers to show up I mean the 2021 election I think is a really great example.
00:25:56.000If you contrast Virginia with New Jersey and I go into detail on this in the book those were the only two gubernatorial races in 2021 and Virginia had a conservative Success, and New Jersey had a repeat of 2020, where the Republican was up the morning after the election, yet it took 10 more days to find more ballots and eventually counties slipped and suddenly you had this miraculous comeback from behind for the Democrat, and the Democrat incumbent is still in office today.
00:26:21.000So I think you can look at those two states and realize that the biggest difference between those two states was the number of people who showed up, not just to work the polls, but to volunteer along the entire chain of custody to have eyes on.
00:26:33.000So showing up is the the easiest thing, and I say that understanding everybody is very busy and has, uh scheduling conflicts, but as far as like just actual effort going into it you, you can show up and then, I think uh, holding leaders accountable, letting them know that you're following what they're doing, you're watching them uh, the voter role situation, make sure they're cleaning their voter roll.
00:26:54.000So I say, show up voter rolls and then just letting your official putting pressure on your officials to let them know you're watching open.
00:27:01.000You can do that through open records, requests and uh just kind of digging into what your government is actually doing.
00:27:07.000And I know you talk about the Zucker boxes as well.
00:27:10.000Correct and drop boxes I do, and but in Arizona our Republicans said, drop boxes are just fine, Yeah, I mean, that's part of the problem, right?
00:27:19.000Is Republicans aren't doing what Republican constituents want.
00:27:26.000We have to be sending letters, emails, phone calls, showing up, you know, in rallies or protests.
00:27:32.000We have to get louder because they're not listening.
00:27:34.000And so we have to, and by ladder, of course, I mean peacefully and all of that, but we have to force our elected officials, whether it's the state legislature, whether it's the county clerks, whether it's county supervisors, whoever it is, we have to start pushing the issue.
00:27:50.000And there's an exciting development in this.
00:27:52.000We saw Shafta County and in California, of all places, they actually got some really good reform in their own county because they had a citizens' initiative that really was putting pressure on the county recorder there, the county clerk in Shaftsa County, who kind of capitulated and met their demands as far as some of the reforms that they wanted there.
00:28:13.000So we're actually seeing progress even in California.
00:28:15.000So if they can do it in California, I think we can do it.
00:28:18.000There's no excuse to not do it everywhere.
00:28:19.000My book does talk about the corruption and the problems with the election, but it concludes with it is salvageable and we need to salvage it.
00:28:26.000So I just don't want the title to be a misnomer into thinking that it's a depressing all is lost book.
00:29:00.000Well, certainly the RNC has a myriad of open cases surrounding elections.
00:29:06.000I mean, I don't have the number off the top of my head, but it's at least dozens around the country in a variety of states to correct procedural issues.
00:29:26.000So that part of it, I think we have to continue doing and moving forward with, but it is being done.
00:29:32.000And then also, of course, we need state legislatures to step up and pass legislation where they can to kind of secure elections and make them make them more secure where we can.
00:29:44.000And then where we can't, you know, that's where it falls to you and me to show up and actually be out there and make sure that there's no cheating as best we possibly can.
00:29:53.000So it's a multi-level approach and we need to progress with it.
00:31:25.000I mean, you have to put, you have to put, we all have to put pressure on our county officials, on those administering the election, whether it's doing research into problems that have happened before and really presenting it to them and saying, you know, you need to change this, and then showing up and actually being part of the solution.
00:31:42.000That really is how this changes is the officials have to realize that America is engaged, we are involved, we are holding them accountable, we are holding their feet to the fire.
00:31:53.000And thank God for programs like your program here, where we can actually discuss some of that.
00:31:58.000So I think the more pressure the constituents are putting on their elected officials to actually make change, whether it's the state legislator or not, let's assume for a second, there isn't any change in the legislatures.
00:32:08.000You can still have impact with your county officials and with your election officials, whether it's a county or precinct or wherever you're at.
00:32:17.000So write letters, do some research, get open records requests, present them with information and demand some change because that's the only thing that's going to change it at this point.