The Charlie Kirk Show - The Ukraine Tragedy with Col. Douglas MacGregor and Christina Bobb

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00:00:01.000 Colonel Douglas McGregor talks to us about Ukraine and Christina Bob about the 2020 election.

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00:01:13.000 Joining us now is one of my favorite guests.

00:01:15.000 He's a clear thinker and a realistic thinker when it comes to what is happening in Ukraine.

00:01:23.000 It is Colonel Douglas McGregor.

00:01:25.000 Colonel, welcome back to the program.

00:01:27.000 Colonel, there's a lot of bluster and bloviation around this topic.

00:01:32.000 I was recently speaking to a senator off the record.

00:01:34.000 I'm not going to say who.

00:01:36.000 And I was able to have a candid conversation on the condition of anonymity, but he said, Charlie, we are so close to having the Ukrainians totally kick the Russians out of Ukraine. 0.51

00:01:46.000 Is that right?

00:01:48.000 I think the man is on hallucinogenics.

00:01:52.000 I can't conceive of anything more inaccurate, but this is consistent with this utterly fictional narrative that comes out of Washington and London primarily.

00:02:03.000 Ukrainians have taken horrendous losses.

00:02:06.000 There's some evidence that when Zeluzhny, the commander of Ukrainian forces, met with Secretary Austin and General Milley, that he told them that Ukrainians had sustained 250,000 dead, including civilians and military.

00:02:22.000 We know that they've lost 150,000 plus dead.

00:02:27.000 There's no question.

00:02:28.000 And the other thing that nobody seems to understand is that Ukraine is no longer a nation of 37.5 million as it was when the war began.

00:02:36.000 More than 10 million Ukrainians have left the country.

00:02:39.000 All of the Ukrainians interviewed in Western Europe have said they will never go back.

00:02:44.000 To that must be added the losses taken in the war, the fact that there were already 4 million or excuse me, 2 million Ukrainians working in Western Europe and the United Kingdom.

00:02:55.000 And there are now 4 million Russian-speaking Ukrainian citizens living under Russian occupation where they feel obviously liberated from the Ukrainian oppressor.

00:03:06.000 So if you put all those numbers together, you end up with a nation of perhaps 18 to 22 million.

00:03:12.000 This is a fraction of what the war began with.

00:03:15.000 So I don't know what these people are talking about.

00:03:17.000 Meanwhile, the Russians have over 700,000 troops poised to enter Ukraine.

00:03:23.000 The Ukrainian front in the south is crumbling, disintegrating.

00:03:27.000 The Ukrainians can't recruit and mobilize any longer. 0.99

00:03:30.000 They have to force people at gunpoint into the fight.

00:03:34.000 The whole thing is a tremendous tragedy.

00:03:38.000 And as General Milley suggested weeks ago, this would be a good time to negotiate.

00:03:42.000 Of course, that was weeks ago, and things have gotten a lot worse.

00:03:45.000 So I don't know who the senator is, but he ought to check his facts because not much coming out of the CIA or MI6 these days is truthful.

00:03:56.000 What that senator said is consistent with also what Lindsey Graham said recently in his visit to Ukraine and also Democrat senators as well.

00:04:05.000 And what you are explaining, and it makes total sense to me, is the polar opposite of what you will get from some of the propaganda networks where they say, hey, just, you know, a thousand more missiles, tanks, planes, and this thing can be over by the spring.

00:04:26.000 Look, I am no military expert.

00:04:28.000 I've not deeply studied war history.

00:04:31.000 However, I think it's a fair thing to glean from history.

00:04:34.000 Fighting Russia in the winter is not exactly the brilliant takeaway of the last 200 years in military history. 0.68

00:04:42.000 Why is it that our military regime can't see this clearly?

00:04:47.000 Well, keep in mind that the people that are at the top of the American military establishment were not selected for demonstrated character, competence, or intelligence.

00:04:57.000 They were picked because they were politically malleable.

00:05:00.000 These are people that are willing to say and do whatever the politicians want them to do or say.

00:05:06.000 And they are always interested in acquiring more cash to buy more things in the Department of Defense.

00:05:13.000 And that helps them when they retire to get good jobs in the defense industry or even on Wall Street, where defense money counts for a great deal of income.

00:05:22.000 So the bottom line is, I think you're dealing with a very tragic situation.

00:05:27.000 It's going to be impossible to hide in the months ahead.

00:05:30.000 I think within the next six weeks, effectively, Ukraine as a state will collapse.

00:05:36.000 It's very close to it at this time.

00:05:38.000 I mean, you have Ukrainian soldiers posting videos of themselves freezing without food, without medical care, can't get ammunition, begging for permission to withdraw because they cannot survive the onslaught of the Russians.

00:05:53.000 And increasingly, they're saying, you know, if this doesn't stop, we Ukrainians will go to Kiev and put this regime out of business.

00:06:02.000 It's a very dangerous situation.

00:06:04.000 We should be interested in putting a stop to it and negotiating without preconditions, because that's the only way we can put a stop to this war.

00:06:13.000 That's exactly right.

00:06:14.000 And I asked this question of one of the good guys, one of the senators that's actually asking the proper question, Senator Hawley, who was on our program.

00:06:22.000 And I'm going to ask this to you as well, just more generally.

00:06:24.000 Why is it that nobody in leadership is even saying the word peace?

00:06:29.000 Peace talks, peace negotiations.

00:06:31.000 Why is that?

00:06:33.000 Well, Charlie, if you think back to the beginning of this war, when the Russians went in initially, they went in in small numbers.

00:06:41.000 They had strict guidance from President Putin and the Russian high command to, frankly, kill as few people as possible and do as little damage as possible.

00:06:51.000 Because the expectation in Moscow was that when we saw that they were quite serious, that they would not tolerate this dangerous threat in eastern Ukraine on their border, a threat that would inevitably include precision-guided missiles, theater ballistic missiles from the United States, they thought that they have someone to negotiate with.

00:07:11.000 It took them several months to come around to the understanding that this is very little to do per se with Ukraine.

00:07:18.000 This is an all-out war to destroy Russia, to destroy its government, to dismember it, to eliminate it as a major power. 0.59

00:07:26.000 That's caused to see change in Russia that no one here in the West expected. 0.96

00:07:31.000 And I think we decided, well, you know, the Russians are weak. 1.00

00:07:34.000 They weren't really serious.

00:07:36.000 If they had been, they'd have gone into Ukraine the way we went into Iraq. 0.98

00:07:40.000 All of this is misleading.

00:07:41.000 And now they're in the unfortunate position of having to admit they were wrong.

00:07:46.000 Especially if you say, well, we need peace.

00:07:48.000 The Ukrainian people need peace if this nation state is to survive.

00:07:53.000 Then you're effectively saying, you know, we were wrong.

00:07:56.000 And no one in Washington ever wants to admit that.

00:07:58.000 That's exactly right.

00:08:00.000 It's funny.

00:08:00.000 I have three questions that adults would ask about Ukraine if they weren't trying to get a contract from Raytheon in the future, which is what does success look like?

00:08:09.000 At what cost are you willing?

00:08:11.000 What are you willing to spend to get to that level of success?

00:08:13.000 And then finally, will you ever acknowledge failure or error at any time and be honest with yourself and the American people and the citizens that things might not be going according to plan?

00:08:23.000 And number three is a violation of the commandment of Washington, D.C., which is it's always the people's fault, never our own fault.

00:08:31.000 Hyperaggression, always gaslight.

00:08:34.000 Your thoughts?

00:08:36.000 Well, they're not going to say that we were badly advised by the general officers, because if they do that and pin the blame on the bad military advice they got from the top, then the generals are likely to go public and say things that are unkind about the political leadership.

00:08:52.000 I mean, this is one of these situations where everyone is prepared to point fingers at everybody else to avoid blame.

00:08:59.000 And I think someone like Senator Graham has decided that it's better to go down with the ship and fail miserably and catastrophically than it is to say you were wrong.

00:09:09.000 Of course, I disagree with that because I see Ukraine as a nation effectively vanishing from the European map the way we're headed.

00:09:18.000 Yeah, and this is not a game of risk with your friends in a college dormitory.

00:09:24.000 It feels like they're treating it that way sometimes, though.

00:09:26.000 These are people's lives with real people being displaced.

00:09:30.000 And talking to Ukrainians on the ground, one Ukrainian family I talked to yesterday that I just adore.

00:09:35.000 I was speaking to church.

00:09:36.000 They said Zelensky is an awful person.

00:09:39.000 As we started, you said liberated from the Ukrainian oppressors. 0.88

00:09:43.000 Most of the media refuses to touch that topic.

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00:10:49.000 Colonel, can you just elaborate briefly on what you mentioned, liberating from the Ukrainian oppressors?

00:10:56.000 You mean Zelensky is not Nelson Mandela?

00:11:01.000 No, I'm afraid not.

00:11:03.000 Some of your viewers may not be aware that when he originally ran for election, two things were true.

00:11:09.000 First of all, Zelensky could not speak a word of Ukrainian.

00:11:13.000 He was only fluent in Russian, his original native language.

00:11:17.000 Secondly, he ran on a platform of essentially peace and reconciliation, of promising to negotiate an end to the fighting with Russia, particularly in Luhansk and Donetsk.

00:11:31.000 And of course, he completely reversed himself once he was in power.

00:11:35.000 In addition, when he met with Putin and the leaders of the West about the Minsk accords, one of the critical conditions of the Minsk Accords was that Russians living inside Ukraine would have equal rights before the law, that Russians could still speak their language, they could write in their language, they could actually educate their children in the language.

00:11:58.000 All of these things were overturned.

00:12:00.000 And since he's been in power, he's practically criminalized Russian identity inside Ukraine.

00:12:07.000 So the man is oppressive on the scale of Stalin in many respects.

00:12:12.000 And he's certainly killing his own soldiers by the bushel, the way Stalin allowed his own soldiers to be killed during World War II.

00:12:20.000 In fact, Stalin executed 1 million Soviet soldiers on his own. 0.57

00:12:25.000 So, no, the man's a disaster. 0.99

00:12:28.000 He's corrupt. 0.99

00:12:29.000 He has expensive homes in various places. 0.97

00:12:32.000 One is Venice, I'm told something in Miami.

00:12:35.000 And I think once this war is over and we dig into the government in Kiev, we're going to discover large numbers of people with fat bank accounts in places like Cyprus, who all attempted or succeeded in leaving the country with hundreds of millions of dollars in hard cash.

00:12:53.000 The consensus of Hollywood in Washington, D.C., that this guy is the best person ever, and in that he's kind of the modern-day Winston Churchill, someone who loves Churchill and has studied him and has read a fair amount of his writings.

00:13:07.000 I just find that to be such an insult on so many different levels.

00:13:10.000 But so the Biden administration is entertaining, and to their credit, they haven't done this yet because it would be so insane to send F-16s, but they are sending tanks and they're sending weapons, so they don't deserve any credit for that.

00:13:22.000 And the military machine is focused, as we said earlier, on trying to just increase the conflict, raise the temperature.

00:13:30.000 So I want you to respond to one argument that I received more than any other argument, Colonel.

00:13:34.000 And sometimes I don't answer it honestly as clearly as I should.

00:13:38.000 This is the number one argument I get from people that support it and politicians.

00:13:41.000 Charlie, if we don't do this, then the CCP is going to take over Taiwan.

00:13:45.000 Your response.

00:13:47.000 Oh, that's utter and complete nonsense.

00:13:50.000 Remember, I think it was General Abizade and others back in 2003 and 2004 were telling everyone that if we don't defeat the Iraqi insurgency, we'll be fighting the insurgents in our own country.

00:14:03.000 The Islamists will come to America. 1.00

00:14:05.000 We'll be fighting them in the streets.

00:14:07.000 During the Vietnam War, Lyndon Johnson told everyone, if we don't defeat the Vietnamese communists, the Vietnamese communists will be fighting us in the streets of Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.

00:14:18.000 This is the oldest and the most utterly false argument imaginable.

00:14:23.000 It's all bound up with this what I call billiard ball analysis.

00:14:28.000 In other words, the ball hits one ball and then suddenly all the balls are taken down together.

00:14:35.000 This is utter nonsense.

00:14:36.000 This was the domino theory in Southeast Asia. 1.00

00:14:39.000 Forget all this crap. 0.99

00:14:41.000 This is absolutely fundamentally wrong. 0.98

00:14:44.000 What's happening in Ukraine has nothing to do with anything inside Europe or the United States.

00:14:50.000 It has everything to do with this man Zelensky, his regime, and then people in Washington, sadly, who provoked him and urged him to make war on Russia, thinking that we could somehow or another win it.

00:15:01.000 And they're wrong.

00:15:02.000 We can't.

00:15:04.000 Just add a little more context and color to how Zelensky took power.

00:15:07.000 Was the Central Intelligence Agency involved?

00:15:10.000 Well, I think he took power legitimately because of his platform.

00:15:14.000 With the exception of one small area around Lvov in western Ukraine, virtually everybody signed up for Zelensky when he ran because he promised an end to the war, which should tell you something about the true sentiments of the people of Ukraine.

00:15:28.000 They don't want this war with Russia.

00:15:30.000 They never did want this war with Russia.

00:15:33.000 It's fascinating.

00:15:34.000 And I think more our regime definitely was pushing Zelensky closer and closer. 0.99

00:15:39.000 Is it true that there was a peace deal that potentially was offered right before the invasion that either our government, Biden or Zelensky, refused?

00:15:50.000 No.

00:15:50.000 No, there was never anything on offer from us or Zelensky before the Russians intervened.

00:15:56.000 But what we did have was an opportunity for some sort of negotiated settlement because Zelensky and his team announced that they would accept neutrality.

00:16:05.000 As soon as that happened, Boris Johnson flew in from London and said, we in Washington will never accept that.

00:16:11.000 You must recant.

00:16:13.000 And so that was the end of any attempt to negotiate a settlement.

00:16:16.000 Colonel, thank you so much.

00:16:18.000 Really appreciate it.

00:16:19.000 Thank you.

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00:17:32.000 Christina Bob joins us about her new book, Stealing Your Vote, The Inside Story of the 2020 Election, What It Means for 2024.

00:17:39.000 Christina, welcome to the program.

00:17:41.000 Tell us about your book.

00:17:42.000 Thank you so much for having me.

00:17:44.000 The book really came about right after the 2020 election.

00:17:48.000 I was an investigative reporter.

00:17:49.000 I started digging into kind of the questions that I had about it.

00:17:53.000 Probably many of your viewers had the same questions.

00:17:56.000 And I just started taking notes and recording.

00:17:59.000 I interviewed, you know, hundreds and hundreds of people, whether it was elected officials, poll workers, witnesses, county clerks, city clerks, everybody that maybe had a part in the election.

00:18:12.000 I was interviewing them and just taking notes, taking notes.

00:18:14.000 I like to joke that I accidentally wrote a book because by the time it was all done, I thought, you know, I've got to get this out there so people can see what, not just what transpired, but a lot of the behind the scenes politicking of why didn't we have more Arizona style audits?

00:18:31.000 And why were some very Republican communities blocked from investigating their own election?

00:18:37.000 So I try to answer those questions and shed some light on not just the actual process of the election, where it went wrong, although I do that too, but really give you the politics behind the scenes of what happened.

00:18:47.000 What surprised you most in researching this saga, this crime?

00:18:54.000 The Republican response.

00:18:56.000 The way I like to summarize it is Democrats stole the election and Republicans covered it up.

00:19:00.000 I was very surprised at many Republican leaders that just refused to allow their constituents to go further.

00:19:08.000 And look, whether it was their colleagues that wanted to do an Arizona-style audit in another state and they were blocking that or constituents that had open records requests or FOIA requests.

00:19:20.000 And I was just really surprised at the amount of effort that Republican leaders put into trying to maintain the status quo when so many of their constituents are frustrated with the status quo.

00:19:34.000 Yeah, so you mentioned the Arizona audit.

00:19:37.000 What was the kind of conclusion of that?

00:19:40.000 Because I don't think, unfortunately, that audit really materialized in any structural changes in the 2022 election.

00:19:48.000 You're right.

00:19:48.000 It didn't.

00:19:49.000 And there was a lot of misinformation surrounding it.

00:19:51.000 I know you guys were right there in Arizona on the front lines and kind of seeing it for yourself.

00:19:57.000 And I was reporting from the arena from the Veterans Royal Coliseum.

00:20:04.000 The findings didn't translate to what the mainstream was putting out.

00:20:08.000 Of course, the mainstream put out, oh, there's an audit confirmed Joe Biden won.

00:20:11.000 That is not at all what it confirms.

00:20:13.000 I mean, it found chain of custody documents missing.

00:20:16.000 Evidence fields were cut and broken.

00:20:19.000 Nothing had been maintained from the time of the election until the time the audit started at the end of April, beginning of May.

00:20:24.000 Nothing had been maintained properly.

00:20:26.000 There had been access into the boxes.

00:20:28.000 I think every single pallet had boxes on it, boxes of the ballots that had been rummaged through in some points.

00:20:36.000 There was zero chain of custody, zero way to confirm that everything was done in order.

00:20:42.000 Then you also had 168,000 ballots that were printed on a regular paper.

00:20:47.000 You had voters that were added to the voter roll after the election, but were marked as having voted in the election.

00:20:52.000 I mean, there was a myriad of problems with it that seemed to get swept under the rug, largely by Republicans.

00:21:01.000 As you know, the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors is four Republicans and one Democrat.

00:21:06.000 They have authority to take action on this.

00:21:08.000 And not only did they not take action on it, they demonized anybody who highlighted it or tried to talk about it.

00:21:13.000 I remember I was meeting with President Trump in July or August of 2020 right in the outer oval.

00:21:20.000 And Donald Trump's instincts were 100% right.

00:21:22.000 He was complaining about mail-in voting.

00:21:25.000 He was complaining about these drop boxes.

00:21:27.000 But Christine, I'll be very honest.

00:21:29.000 I'm not going to say who, but a certain staff member was in the room and said that it's all false.

00:21:34.000 And so I'll be very honest, the people closest to President Trump didn't listen to him.

00:21:40.000 Well, I can't speak for who was close to President Trump at the time, but I certainly saw after the election.

00:21:46.000 And I think we can all recognize that whether it was the RNC or local officials or whoever it was, there wasn't a proper response from Republicans.

00:21:57.000 I don't think we're letting out any secrets.

00:22:01.000 At least personally, I'm dissatisfied with the response.

00:22:03.000 So the way I would answer that is the people need to get involved.

00:22:08.000 I don't think we can rely on even quite honestly, even elected officials, and particularly Arizona has a bunch of great fighters.

00:22:16.000 You've gotten good elected officials there, but we've given them two years to prove to us that they can solve this problem.

00:22:22.000 And it hasn't happened to my satisfaction yet.

00:22:26.000 And so I think the answer really is a grassroots movement, something that Turning Point does very, very well.

00:22:30.000 Thank you.

00:22:31.000 And I think that that is the answer.

00:22:33.000 It has to be us.

00:22:34.000 We can't be looking to anybody else to save it at this point.

00:22:37.000 Yeah.

00:22:37.000 So what I'm afraid of, though, is that there are all these problems and our base is demoralized.

00:22:42.000 I mean, we receive thousands of emails that say, I'm never voting again.

00:22:45.000 I'm not getting involved.

00:22:47.000 So what is the game plan?

00:22:48.000 What is the blueprint?

00:22:49.000 Because I mean, I share your diagnosis totally.

00:22:52.000 I mean, I think it's these elections are so corrupt.

00:22:56.000 They have machines that go down.

00:22:58.000 I mean, I saw my, when I went to go vote on election day, these poor guys were doing their best to try to get a machine to work and they were unsuccessful.

00:23:07.000 So you got Stephen Richard, you got Bill Gates, Arizona, we could go at length, but Georgia has its own problems.

00:23:13.000 Pennsylvania has its own problems.

00:23:15.000 But I'm afraid, Christina, that if we don't thread the needle, our beautiful base is going to stop voting.

00:23:24.000 Well, I think that's a fair concern.

00:23:26.000 And certainly you're not the first person to express that concern that I've heard anyway.

00:23:31.000 I would say hang in there and get involved.

00:23:33.000 To the people who are starting to get discouraged, I would say get involved now because the most encouraging place to be is with a group of MAGA patriots who are fighting for this country.

00:23:43.000 It's contagious.

00:23:44.000 And so get involved, get involved in a grassroots effort in your area or work with your state or local GOP, whoever you gel with and feel like I can support that vision.

00:23:55.000 Catch their vision and run with it, because if you sit back and just watch the news, you're going to get depressed and what I say is, we just got to this fight.

00:24:03.000 We really just kind of figured out what was going on in 2020 and then we had 2022 and realized, you know, we didn't make enough change by 2022, so we've got another election cycle.

00:24:14.000 I mean, they've been doing this for decades.

00:24:15.000 We, we cannot give up right now.

00:24:17.000 We still have time.

00:24:19.000 So we have to.

00:24:20.000 We have to fix it.

00:24:21.000 You know, later on we can complain about it, but we don't have time to get depressed about it, because this is an all hands on deck moment and I would be willing to bet at least the people that have voiced um, the sentiment to me of oh, I don't want to vote anymore, I don't want to do anything.

00:24:35.000 I would bet most of those people and I mean this with all respect probably haven't been working the polls.

00:24:40.000 They probably haven't been volunteering.

00:24:42.000 I mean, you know, Turning Point has some amazing uh rallies and and uh, get out the volunteer effort.

00:24:49.000 They're fun, they're exciting.

00:24:51.000 You get out there and you're in that environment and you're like yes, we're gonna do this, let's do this.

00:24:55.000 So um, if you're struggling with that, get involved, because it's actually really contagious and hopeful.

00:25:01.000 What do you think is the the most achievable reform we can get done, let's say, by christmas.

00:25:08.000 Okay, so we have, we have 11 months right, we got really three states that are going to be determinative for the presidency.

00:25:15.000 It's all going to come down to Georgia Wisconsin Arizona, that's it.

00:25:19.000 You win those three.

00:25:20.000 You don't even need Pennsylvania.

00:25:22.000 If you also win Ohio, North Carolina Florida, which president Trump will what are?

00:25:26.000 What is it?

00:25:26.000 What's in your research and your book is terrific.

00:25:30.000 Everyone should check it out here.

00:25:31.000 Stealing your vote by Christina Bobby.

00:25:33.000 What is the most achievable reform that you think we can get done by christmas?

00:25:38.000 I think we, if we have enough people getting involved to be on the chain of custody meaning volunteers at every point on the chain of custody want it makes it harder for them to insert illegal ballots into the count.

00:25:50.000 So I think just having the numbers to show up I mean the 2021 election I think is a really great example.

00:25:56.000 If you contrast Virginia with New Jersey and I go into detail on this in the book those were the only two gubernatorial races in 2021 and Virginia had a conservative Success, and New Jersey had a repeat of 2020, where the Republican was up the morning after the election, yet it took 10 more days to find more ballots and eventually counties slipped and suddenly you had this miraculous comeback from behind for the Democrat, and the Democrat incumbent is still in office today.

00:26:21.000 So I think you can look at those two states and realize that the biggest difference between those two states was the number of people who showed up, not just to work the polls, but to volunteer along the entire chain of custody to have eyes on.

00:26:33.000 So showing up is the the easiest thing, and I say that understanding everybody is very busy and has, uh scheduling conflicts, but as far as like just actual effort going into it you, you can show up and then, I think uh, holding leaders accountable, letting them know that you're following what they're doing, you're watching them uh, the voter role situation, make sure they're cleaning their voter roll.

00:26:54.000 So I say, show up voter rolls and then just letting your official putting pressure on your officials to let them know you're watching open.

00:27:01.000 You can do that through open records, requests and uh just kind of digging into what your government is actually doing.

00:27:07.000 And I know you talk about the Zucker boxes as well.

00:27:10.000 Correct and drop boxes I do, and but in Arizona our Republicans said, drop boxes are just fine, Yeah, I mean, that's part of the problem, right?

00:27:19.000 Is Republicans aren't doing what Republican constituents want.

00:27:23.000 So we have to force that issue.

00:27:26.000 We have to be sending letters, emails, phone calls, showing up, you know, in rallies or protests.

00:27:32.000 We have to get louder because they're not listening.

00:27:34.000 And so we have to, and by ladder, of course, I mean peacefully and all of that, but we have to force our elected officials, whether it's the state legislature, whether it's the county clerks, whether it's county supervisors, whoever it is, we have to start pushing the issue.

00:27:50.000 And there's an exciting development in this.

00:27:52.000 We saw Shafta County and in California, of all places, they actually got some really good reform in their own county because they had a citizens' initiative that really was putting pressure on the county recorder there, the county clerk in Shaftsa County, who kind of capitulated and met their demands as far as some of the reforms that they wanted there.

00:28:13.000 So we're actually seeing progress even in California.

00:28:15.000 So if they can do it in California, I think we can do it.

00:28:18.000 There's no excuse to not do it everywhere.

00:28:19.000 My book does talk about the corruption and the problems with the election, but it concludes with it is salvageable and we need to salvage it.

00:28:26.000 So I just don't want the title to be a misnomer into thinking that it's a depressing all is lost book.

00:28:33.000 It is not by any means.

00:28:34.000 The whole point of it is to try to mobilize people to fix the problem.

00:28:37.000 So let's talk about Zuckerboxes. 1.00

00:28:40.000 You talk about the outside influence.

00:28:42.000 I believe President Trump has some current legal challenges to try to fix some of these things.

00:28:49.000 Is the RNC doing anything?

00:28:51.000 I mean, walk us through what President Trump is doing to try to remedy this through his campaign and his team.

00:28:59.000 Sure.

00:29:00.000 Well, certainly the RNC has a myriad of open cases surrounding elections.

00:29:06.000 I mean, I don't have the number off the top of my head, but it's at least dozens around the country in a variety of states to correct procedural issues.

00:29:14.000 So yes, that is underway.

00:29:17.000 And we are, we, the Trump campaign, are working closely with the RNC to discuss issues that we'd like to see litigated.

00:29:23.000 The RNC has taken much of that up.

00:29:26.000 So that part of it, I think we have to continue doing and moving forward with, but it is being done.

00:29:32.000 And then also, of course, we need state legislatures to step up and pass legislation where they can to kind of secure elections and make them make them more secure where we can.

00:29:44.000 And then where we can't, you know, that's where it falls to you and me to show up and actually be out there and make sure that there's no cheating as best we possibly can.

00:29:53.000 So it's a multi-level approach and we need to progress with it.

00:29:59.000 We need more action to be taken.

00:30:01.000 And I expect that to happen over the next several months and all the way up through the election in 2024.

00:30:08.000 But yes, we absolutely are on the right path.

00:30:10.000 I would not be doing this job if I wasn't totally hopeful that not only can he win, but I think he likely will win.

00:30:18.000 But I also don't want to pretend that it's going to be easy and that every problem is solved.

00:30:23.000 And don't worry, America, it's fine.

00:30:25.000 That is not at all the case at the moment.

00:30:27.000 But we need all hands on deck to get involved to secure the election.

00:30:31.000 The book is called Stealing Your Vote, Christina Bob.

00:30:34.000 Christina, I won't read all these emails, but we're getting a lot of people that are saying, never voting again, didn't vote this midterm.

00:30:40.000 Christina's making my point.

00:30:41.000 This is why I don't vote.

00:30:43.000 I'm afraid President Trump is not going to be able to win if our base stays at home.

00:30:47.000 I know I keep mentioning that point, but this is very alarming because what we're seeing from the audience.

00:30:52.000 So let's talk about states and specifics, right?

00:30:54.000 I mentioned this earlier: Fulton County, Cobb County getting involved, being precinct committeemen.

00:30:59.000 State legislatures aren't going to do anything in Arizona or Wisconsin or Georgia.

00:31:02.000 So then what's the plan?

00:31:05.000 Well, maybe we'll see what happens.

00:31:08.000 Arizona won't. 0.99

00:31:08.000 I mean, Katie Hobbs is governor and Wisconsin won't. 0.99

00:31:10.000 So, and Brian Kemp's, you know, he's a waste of time.

00:31:13.000 So that's not going to happen.

00:31:15.000 Right.

00:31:16.000 Well, we'll see.

00:31:17.000 We'll see what happens, but I think there could potentially be some movement there.

00:31:21.000 We'll see how it goes.

00:31:24.000 Again, it comes down to the voters.

00:31:25.000 I mean, you have to put, you have to put, we all have to put pressure on our county officials, on those administering the election, whether it's doing research into problems that have happened before and really presenting it to them and saying, you know, you need to change this, and then showing up and actually being part of the solution.

00:31:42.000 That really is how this changes is the officials have to realize that America is engaged, we are involved, we are holding them accountable, we are holding their feet to the fire.

00:31:53.000 And thank God for programs like your program here, where we can actually discuss some of that.

00:31:58.000 So I think the more pressure the constituents are putting on their elected officials to actually make change, whether it's the state legislator or not, let's assume for a second, there isn't any change in the legislatures.

00:32:08.000 You can still have impact with your county officials and with your election officials, whether it's a county or precinct or wherever you're at.

00:32:17.000 So write letters, do some research, get open records requests, present them with information and demand some change because that's the only thing that's going to change it at this point.

00:32:26.000 Check out the book, everybody.

00:32:27.000 Christina Bob Stealing Your Vote, The Inside Story of the 2020 Election, What It Means for 2024.

00:32:31.000 Christina, thank you so much.

00:32:33.000 Thank you so much.

00:32:37.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:38.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:32:41.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - February 01, 2023

The Ukraine Tragedy with Col. Douglas MacGregor and Christina Bobb

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