The Charlie Kirk Show - The Unfree Nation Of Canada

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00:00:01.000 Viva Fry talks about the downfall of O Canada.

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00:01:38.000 Joining us now is Viva Fry. 1.00

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00:01:45.000 Viva, thank you for joining the program.

00:01:47.000 There are a fair amount of whispers out there about what is happening in Canada and this proposed legislation.

00:01:54.000 Tell us the facts.

00:01:55.000 What is going on in the, I don't want to say once free country, but now unfree country of Canada.

00:02:01.000 I think we can start calling it what it is.

00:02:04.000 And it's been like a long time in the making and then it happens all at once, like bankruptcy.

00:02:09.000 We're dealing with political bankruptcy in Canada.

00:02:12.000 Under COVID, Justin Trudeau has been cramming through a bunch of laws that seek nothing more than to regulate thought itself in Canada.

00:02:20.000 The latest is what is now called Bill C63, which it's being passed off as an online harms act or online harms act.

00:02:29.000 It's to protect the children.

00:02:30.000 Someone's got to think of the children.

00:02:32.000 And it wants to make it easier to, I guess, remove CP from Twitter, order platforms to take down objectionable content.

00:02:43.000 And in so doing, also, it proposes to revamp or amend the criminal code to add a definition for the term hatred so that they can add hate speech as aggravating factors and standalone crimes, basically, in Canada.

00:02:58.000 And so they want to amend the criminal code to add a definition for hatred, which I got to read it because it'll make you laugh with the silliness of it.

00:03:07.000 Hold on here.

00:03:07.000 Hatred, subsection 319 of this act, which is the criminal code, defined by adding hatred, means the emotion that involves detestation or vilification and that is stronger than disdain or dislike.

00:03:20.000 And so they want to add an idiotic, unenforceable, ambiguous definition for the term hatred while authorizing people to go to the human rights tribunals for hate speech, all these things.

00:03:33.000 It's Orwellian beyond our wildest dreams, and it really is intended to basically just shut people up and be weaponized against political dissidents. 0.97

00:03:41.000 And what is the potential penalty?

00:03:43.000 Life in prison.

00:03:44.000 Is that right?

00:03:46.000 That is for promoting or advocating genocide, a potential imprisonment of life in prison.

00:03:53.000 It's scary because it's gotten past the first stage where they have this coalition government with the NDP, the New Democrat Party, and it's gotten past a first reading.

00:04:03.000 And they've tabled this.

00:04:04.000 I mean, yeah, to promote or advocate genocide, punishable by life in prison.

00:04:09.000 And I'm reading this and I'm like, okay, well, I've got three questions.

00:04:12.000 What is promoting?

00:04:13.000 What is advocating?

00:04:14.000 And what is genocide?

00:04:15.000 Because if we go by the UN definition of genocide, which is much broader than I think people appreciate, you know, suppressing linguistic freedoms or displacing peoples is a form of genocide.

00:04:28.000 And so born and raised in Quebec, there's been a lot of people who say, you know, Quebec should be a French-speaking only province.

00:04:34.000 Is that going to be hate speech or promoting genocide?

00:04:37.000 Who the hell knows?

00:04:39.000 But it's to have a penalty of life in prison for words. 0.60

00:04:43.000 Call me radical.

00:04:45.000 I don't think it should be even criminalized to say deny gen, people want to deny genocide. 0.83

00:04:50.000 Let's, I want to know who they are, first of all. 0.80

00:04:52.000 But promoting and advocating genocide, what the hell does that even mean?

00:04:56.000 There are people out there who sincerely assert that misgendering someone is a form of genocide.

00:05:02.000 And so it's basically like back in the day, Bill C-16, which was adding gender expression and gender identity to aggravating factors into the criminal code.

00:05:10.000 Jordan Peterson came out and said, this is going to result in compelled speech.

00:05:13.000 And he's proven to be more right than wrong.

00:05:16.000 This is literally just providing the weapons for people to run around snitching on their neighbors, trying to take them to human rights tribunals, trying to get $20,000 penalties and try to shut them up or lock them up for life.

00:05:28.000 So the resistance in Canada, I can't imagine that it's spirited at this point because everyone's afraid that they're going to end up in prison.

00:05:37.000 Is this kind of chilling of the centralized chilling from the government, is it effective?

00:05:42.000 Does it work?

00:05:43.000 It's an interesting thing.

00:05:44.000 I mean, it's a discussion I have often as to why Canada would even be amenable to this in the first place.

00:05:51.000 You know, we're a polite, subservient peoples.

00:05:54.000 We're not like the Wild West fighting for our freedom like America is.

00:05:58.000 Our history is sort of more being subjects of the crown.

00:06:02.000 And so you're taught deference to authority.

00:06:04.000 You're taught be polite.

00:06:06.000 It's an attribute.

00:06:07.000 And then you politely, silently sit back while your country is taken over by a tyrant who cloaks his tyranny in liberalism, progressivism, benevolence.

00:06:15.000 And so it's been one law after another, and especially since COVID, firearm restrictions, enhancing those, increasing those by order and counsel.

00:06:22.000 There's no legislation.

00:06:24.000 They just pass it by order and counsel because they have the authority under the enacting legislation.

00:06:29.000 Then you get the Online Streaming Act, which looks to control the internet the same way the government monopolizes and controls radio and television.

00:06:38.000 And then in the passing of that law, the liberal government says, well, we're not going to come after individual content creator accounts.

00:06:44.000 That's not the purpose of the law.

00:06:45.000 And then lo and behold, they remove that exclusion from the law and they will go after and regulate and fine and create, impose Canadian content requirements on independent, individual social media user accounts.

00:06:57.000 And now they're coming in with this.

00:06:59.000 What it is basically, this is my underlying theory here, is that it's basically just an attempt to prop back up a flailing government subsidized propagandist media entity organization captured media that we have in Canada.

00:07:12.000 CBC is the Canadian pravda, I call it, subsidized by the government.

00:07:16.000 The other print media has been subsidized by bailouts.

00:07:19.000 The digital media is subsidized by COVID ads, government spending.

00:07:23.000 And they're under the control of the government.

00:07:24.000 The only place they're losing because quality tends to succeed is on the internet.

00:07:28.000 And so you come in with the Online Streaming Act to try to govern independent creators.

00:07:33.000 You come in with this hate speech law that is going to basically criminalize tweets.

00:07:37.000 And not hypothetically, not hyperbolically, in reality.

00:07:41.000 The Bill C63 is so wild that if you have access to deleting a tweet and don't and someone else republishes it, then a retroactive tweet that predates the enacting of this legislation, if it ever comes to be, would be verboten, would be a crime under it, it would be sanctionable under this law.

00:07:57.000 And so it's basically an attempt to suppress control and weaponize all aspects of the government against dissidents while propping up the flailing captured media that is beholden to the liberal government.

00:08:07.000 I'm sure that in some ways you wish you had some form of a First Amendment that we have in the United States.

00:08:12.000 What speech protections do you have in Canada, if any?

00:08:16.000 I mean, look, I've discovered something under COVID.

00:08:19.000 We have a Charter of Rights.

00:08:20.000 In theory, it was based on a Bill of Rights.

00:08:22.000 We've got a Charter of Rights that says we've got freedom of expression, freedom of mobility, freedom of association, freedom of religion.

00:08:30.000 We discovered under COVID, those are not worth the digital paper on which they're written.

00:08:35.000 It's a very, very sad thing.

00:08:38.000 We don't have people are going to say, look, you don't get locked up for I have the freedom of speech to complain against the government, so you have freedom of speech.

00:08:46.000 No.

00:08:47.000 I mean, you don't have freedom of speech when you have bills that are seeking to criminalize or compel a certain type of speech.

00:08:54.000 You know, hate speech.

00:08:56.000 We have hate speech laws in Canada.

00:08:58.000 And some people say it's a great thing.

00:09:00.000 And I'm saying hate speech, as unpopular as this might sound, is the speech that needs protection.

00:09:05.000 You don't need to protect poetry.

00:09:08.000 You don't need to protect complimenting the smell of flowers.

00:09:12.000 You need to protect people's rights to express their hatred.

00:09:15.000 You don't control it by suppressing it.

00:09:18.000 And you, sure-sec don't contradict it by suppressing them.

00:09:21.000 All that you do is legitimize in the minds of those who cannot speak freely anymore the thoughts that led to their suppression.

00:09:26.000 So do we have freedom of speech?

00:09:28.000 I mean, we have more than North Korea, I guess, for now.

00:09:31.000 Do we have as much as the U.S.?

00:09:33.000 Hell no.

00:09:34.000 Do we respect the fundamental rights that are God-given rights under our charter?

00:09:38.000 I've come to realize that as Canadians, we don't.

00:09:40.000 We would prefer to have security.

00:09:42.000 We would prefer to be told what to do than make our own decisions and suffer the consequences of our own risky freedom.

00:09:47.000 Canada is a perfect example of when you prioritize security and comfort over liberty.

00:09:53.000 And this is what you get.

00:09:54.000 You get massive restrictions on speech, restrictions on mobility, restrictions on the ability to flourish.

00:10:01.000 But there is the promise that we're going to keep you safe.

00:10:04.000 Universal health care, universal basic income.

00:10:07.000 We will keep you comfortable, but you will not be free.

00:10:12.000 And that is exactly where they want to take the entire West.

00:10:14.000 And it's easier to control a society if government is making them comfortable.

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00:11:27.000 So Viva, you mentioned this earlier, but I want to play this out.

00:11:30.000 Is it because Canadians are so nice that the bad guys have been able to take over?

00:11:35.000 Is it the temperament of agreeability that allows this parasitic movement to envelop a once great country?

00:11:44.000 I don't, I could chalk a lot of it up to history and the history of what Canada was when it was founded.

00:11:52.000 You could also blame a little bit on culture where, you know, culturally people think Canadians are polite and it might, I'd say, might influence who comes to Canada versus Americans are brash and, you know, gun toting whatever.

00:12:03.000 And it might affect who comes to America and why.

00:12:05.000 But without getting into something that I can't possibly explain away fully, the bottom line, you said it before the break, you know, you sacrifice liberty for security.

00:12:14.000 The irony is you end up getting neither.

00:12:16.000 And in Canada, I just tweeted it out.

00:12:18.000 Actually, I had to double check during the break.

00:12:20.000 Gun-related violence has been going up year over year under Trudeau's regime, despite increasingly strict gun laws.

00:12:27.000 It's a very weird thing.

00:12:28.000 Under Trudeau's regime, when we sacrificed all of our rights to the government, what happens then?

00:12:33.000 We don't have the security to donate to charities of our choice without the risk of the government freezing our accounts.

00:12:38.000 You don't have the right to leave your house if the government says health measures warrant you being locked in your house or locking up your child because they're not vaccinated and they're told to quarantine.

00:12:47.000 So the irony is you end up sacrificing liberty for security.

00:12:52.000 You end up with neither because you've got bad faith actors like Justin Trudeau, like I'd say most politicians in general, who thrive on the power.

00:13:00.000 And they want more and more control.

00:13:02.000 They'll justify it under their own psychology for the betterment for the greater good.

00:13:07.000 At the end of the day, though, you see what's happening in Canada.

00:13:11.000 Increasingly restricted freedom of speech, criminalized speech, no Second Amendment rights whatsoever.

00:13:17.000 And yet it might be safer than America in some sense, but the gun violence is going up and up and up year over year, despite stricter laws.

00:13:24.000 So you end up getting neither.

00:13:26.000 And then you have to rationalize having sacrificed more freedoms than you can stand to yourself.

00:13:30.000 It's sort of like the gambler's lost paradox.

00:13:32.000 I have to be honest with you.

00:13:34.000 Have you ever thought about leaving?

00:13:35.000 I mean, is there a moment where Canada becomes so dangerous where you as an outspoken freedom lover, liberty lover, can no longer live there?

00:13:44.000 Oh, Charlie, I'm in Florida now.

00:13:47.000 Oh, okay.

00:13:47.000 I am, I'm on, I can't, no, I mean, I came down.

00:13:50.000 I came about a year and a half.

00:13:53.000 No, there's no question.

00:13:54.000 And it's the joke is that, you know, at one point in time, I started joking around with my family.

00:13:59.000 Like, it was during COVID.

00:14:01.000 We're going to have to leave.

00:14:02.000 I'm not living in a place that's going to tell me what I have to put in my kids in order for them to have a normal childhood.

00:14:08.000 This is also in an era where like my wife goes to a kid's play and they're wearing face masks.

00:14:13.000 And my kid, who's 12 at the time, is being berated for not showing her vaccine passport, even though she didn't have to show one.

00:14:19.000 I was like, this is not a country where we can live and raise children normally.

00:14:23.000 And so whether or not it turns out to be permanent, temporarily, it's not a place where I would feel comfortable doing what I'm doing now.

00:14:30.000 It's not a place where I'd be able to continue doing what I'm doing now because they're going to go regulate content online and say, and impact its exposure under the Online Streaming Act.

00:14:40.000 If you don't satisfy Canadian content requirements and they deem you to be a publisher or distributor, whatever they call it under the law, they'll either fine you, they'll suppress you algorithmically.

00:14:50.000 And if you say mean tweets that they deem to be promoting hatred, if this law passes, they'll literally fine you into bankruptcy.

00:14:57.000 Once upon a time, I don't know if you know this guy, there was a stand-up comic named Mike Ward, French Canadian guy, made a joke about a celebrity team who was also mentally dominant, suffered from treacherous Collins syndrome, handicapped.

00:15:10.000 And the kid got famous by singing for the Pope.

00:15:13.000 And this stand-up comic made a late night bit making fun of, you know, joking about the kid.

00:15:18.000 And the kid took him to a human rights tribunal that granted the kid and his mother, I mean, it was like $40,000, $50,000 for jokes that violated his dignity and that of the mother.

00:15:28.000 The guy took it up to the Supreme Court of Canada, and it barely, barely succeeded in getting overturned five to four.

00:15:35.000 A joke, a stand-up comic made about a young celebrity kid who happened to be handicapped.

00:15:40.000 What this law is trying to do now is basically succeed or legislate where the Supreme Court ruled: no, you can still make jokes, and no, you don't get to criminalize words.

00:15:49.000 You don't get to use human rights tribunals like proverbial political jackpots to go sue, get money, snitch out to the government so they can suppress their political adversaries.

00:15:57.000 So, bottom line, like the likes of rebel news, post-millennial, whatever's left in Canada, it's going to be a problem.

00:16:05.000 And then, what ends up happening is you get the financial exodus, you get the intellectual exodus, and then Canada ends up being a country where you can't link to news sources anymore because they say we're not doing business.

00:16:16.000 But that's what they want.

00:16:17.000 You're not going to get into it.

00:16:18.000 Trudeau and Trudeau and his gang have always wanted the one-party state.

00:16:22.000 They've wanted a complete totalitarianism.

00:16:25.000 You've been ahead of the curve.

00:16:26.000 Jordan Peterson's been ahead of the curve.

00:16:28.000 Ezra's been ahead of the curve, but that window is closing.

00:16:31.000 And my advice to all the patriots of Canada: hey, here's a question in closing.

00:16:36.000 Will the American government approve their asylum claim?

00:16:40.000 Probably not.

00:16:41.000 You make the joke, and I actually was thinking about it the other day.

00:16:44.000 It's like, every time I go back, I get concerned.

00:16:47.000 Are they going to stop me at the border?

00:16:48.000 No, that's right.

00:16:49.000 All right.

00:16:50.000 Thank you, Viva.

00:16:50.000 Terrific.

00:16:51.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:16:54.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:17:56.000 Last week, we had Glenn Beck on the program talking about the unacceptable and evil story of how the federal government mobilized against a journalist who was there on January 6th, Steve Baker.

00:18:09.000 Steve Baker is now officially a January 6th defendant, investigative reporter for theblaze.com.

00:18:15.000 Steve, welcome to the program.

00:18:17.000 Steve, I wish it was under better circumstances, but I will say that the grassroots of this country are behind you.

00:18:24.000 God will turn this into a blessing.

00:18:27.000 And it's a terrible thing that is occurring.

00:18:29.000 Steve, walk us through it.

00:18:30.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:18:32.000 Well, obviously, I got to do something on Friday that I hope nobody else has to do, at least certainly not for the reasons that I had to do it.

00:18:42.000 But, you know, I am officially now what they call a J6er. 0.50

00:18:48.000 It was my misdemeanor, glorified trespassing activities while I was wielding a camera and writing stories about everything that I work on on January 6th, three years ago that finally led to this place to where the government decided that in order to make a show out of my case in particular, either to send a message to me or send a message to everyone else,

00:19:17.000 kind of on our side of the political spectrum, is that if we don't comport with the narrative and we don't behave exactly in the manner in which they want us to do, whether nonviolent or not, as is the case with me, that they will put you in leg shackles and belly chains and march you into a courtroom in front of a magistrate.

00:19:36.000 So, Steve, what exactly are you accused of?

00:19:38.000 What is the federal government?

00:19:41.000 What were in your charging documents?

00:19:42.000 We have the B-roll here.

00:19:43.000 They're treating you like you're some sort of 9-11 terrorist.

00:19:46.000 Steve, what did the government accuse you of?

00:19:48.000 Yeah, it's the four basic misdemeanors that everyone is getting charged with.

00:19:53.000 As I said, there's the glorified trespassing charge of entering a restricted space.

00:19:59.000 Then there are two charges that seem to be on the face redundant.

00:20:04.000 It talks about abusive or loud language while in the Capitol, which did not happen, by the way.

00:20:10.000 Both of those charges are completely false, and we'll be able to prove that.

00:20:16.000 We have the video to prove that.

00:20:18.000 And then, of course, the fourth charge is that infamous picketing and parading charge, which again, we'll be able to prove that by virtue of the video.

00:20:26.000 So the first charge, technically, was I in a restricted space?

00:20:30.000 Yes, I was.

00:20:31.000 Was I there doing the work of a journalist?

00:20:33.000 Yes, I was.

00:20:34.000 Were there 60 other journalists in there doing the work of a journalist?

00:20:38.000 Yes, they were.

00:20:39.000 They crossed the same barrier that I did.

00:20:42.000 They went through busted open doors or broken windows in order to go in and recover and cover the event.

00:20:48.000 But so far, only about six or eight of us have actually been charged with any type of crime, all misdemeanors that were doing journalism that day.

00:20:56.000 And all of us that have been charged, we have come from a more right-leaning perspective in either what our perception of the day was or whatever organization we submitted our work to.

00:21:09.000 So, Steve, it's just, I'm going to say this facetiously, like, did you burn a Wendy's or like put a pipe bomb down or something?

00:21:17.000 I mean, it's just, they're treating you like as if you're Timothy McVay.

00:21:20.000 Can you walk us through the last couple of years?

00:21:22.000 Because this was a little bit of a cat and mouse routine.

00:21:25.000 They were chasing you.

00:21:27.000 Part of the punishment was the process.

00:21:30.000 And Steve, I wouldn't fault you if you told me that you had sleepless nights or if you heard a creak in the attic, you were wondering if the FBI was knocking on your door.

00:21:39.000 The delayed indictment was torture, I'm sure.

00:21:43.000 And I believe that's intentional torture by this regime.

00:21:47.000 Steve.

00:21:48.000 Charlie, I had to, well, look, for two and a half years, I didn't need to set an alarm because I would wake up every morning at 6 o'clock looking for the red dots through my bedroom window.

00:22:01.000 And what I mean by that, obviously, is the targeting scopes of a M4 rifle from a FBI SWAT team.

00:22:11.000 And don't think for a minute that I'm exaggerating because other defendants, including other journalists who were charged with the exact same four misdemeanors as I am, they have been swatted by as many as 20 or 25 agents at a time for these same four nonviolent misdemeanor charges.

00:22:29.000 And so I had every reason to anticipate or the potential that that would happen to me.

00:22:35.000 But yes, that cat and mouse game began last, not last July, but July of 21 when I got my first call from the FBI.

00:22:43.000 And I wasn't hiding from them.

00:22:44.000 I mean, as soon as they caught the first time the agent called me, I said, hey, what took you so long?

00:22:48.000 And then the next game that was played was they had to go and get specific permission from the United States Attorney General's office to interview me because as a member of the press, as a working journalist, even independent, they have to get permission.

00:23:07.000 They had to acknowledge that, that they had to get permission from the U.S. Attorney's General's office to interview me or any other member of the press.

00:23:15.000 And so that finally happened.

00:23:16.000 So we did an interview in October and November of 21.

00:23:20.000 My attorney then got an email from the Department of Justice saying that they were going to charge me within the week.

00:23:25.000 So now the cat and mouse game really began in earnest because then we launched a media offensive on myself and my attorneys.

00:23:33.000 And then when we came out on the other end of that within the week period, the Department of Justice went silent for 20 months.

00:23:41.000 We didn't hear a peep out of them, not a word.

00:23:43.000 So after telling me that I was going to be charged within the week for what, we don't know, but whatever it was going to be, the point being is they went silent until August of last year.

00:23:54.000 And then I get a grand jury subpoena for my work, for the work I did on January 6th.

00:24:00.000 And we complied to that as well.

00:24:02.000 But you probably know, Charlie, that grand juries are not seated for misdemeanor offenses.

00:24:09.000 So a grand jury would only be looking at me because the government had brought to them the idea or an allegation that there was a felony possibility that they needed to investigate.

00:24:21.000 Well, apparently, we can only conjecture because grand juries are their hearings are private.

00:24:26.000 So we don't know what was said or what their ruling was.

00:24:29.000 We can only conjecture that whatever that felony or felonies were that the DOJ wanted to bring, the grand jury rejected that.

00:24:36.000 So they finally came around with this misdemeanor batch.

00:24:40.000 But we heard from them in mid-December.

00:24:43.000 I was actually sitting in Representative Thomas Massey's office on December 14th when I got another call from my attorney.

00:24:50.000 And he said, okay, this is the big one.

00:24:51.000 They're doing it again.

00:24:52.000 They're doing it this time for sure.

00:24:54.000 And they told me that I had to self-surrender the next week, which would have been the week before Christmas of last year.

00:25:01.000 And then they went silent again for two months until we heard from them last week.

00:25:04.000 And they said, okay, now it's time.

00:25:06.000 And so we agreed to my self-surrender to be here in Dallas because obviously I'm working for Blaze, even though I don't live here.

00:25:13.000 I spend most of my time between D.C. and Dallas, even though I live in North Carolina.

00:25:17.000 So we complied with that.

00:25:19.000 We've been compliant all along.

00:25:20.000 The government could have very easily just issued me an order to appear.

00:25:26.000 I could have shown up in my jacket, my coat tie.

00:25:29.000 I could have gone in with my attorneys and done a quick order, gone through the arraignment, you know, as a nonviolent misdemeanor charge.

00:25:37.000 But they chose to go the different route and actually issue an arrest warrant, which meant that the FBI had to process me.

00:25:45.000 They had to put me in cuffs.

00:25:46.000 They had to take me down to the federal courthouse, hand me over to the U.S. Marshals, who then proceeded to put me in leg chains and belly chains and then put me in a cell with methamphetamine dealers.

00:25:59.000 How long were you in that cell?

00:26:01.000 A total of about five hours.

00:26:04.000 And this was while you were waiting for the bail to be posted or you were waiting for the paperwork to be processed?

00:26:10.000 We didn't have to do bail, but it was a paperwork process.

00:26:13.000 I had, you know, I got out for a while to actually go sit in the hearing because they marched me in those leg chains before the magistrate, where coincidentally, by the way, another felony defendant was sitting in there on a simple order to appear in the gallery, was called up right after me to answer her charges.

00:26:30.000 She pleaded not guilty and she was in her nice dress and with her attorney on a felony charge and she was not required to be in leg chains.

00:26:37.000 So, so Steve, how much in legal fees has this currently cost you this entire debacle?

00:26:46.000 Charlie, I've been really blessed.

00:26:48.000 I've had some fees, but as it is right now, my team of attorneys, which currently has six guys on the team, are all volunteers.

00:26:58.000 It's all pro bono.

00:27:00.000 And I don't know if you heard, but Friday morning on Glenn's show, Alan Dershowitz threw his hat into the ring and said, if we want him on the team, he'll come on pro bono as well.

00:27:10.000 That's remarkable.

00:27:11.000 And so, so, Steve, then, what I'm sure you're tempted to plea.

00:27:15.000 What is the maximum prison time that you're facing with all of this, or the maximum penalty, I should say?

00:27:21.000 Yeah, I could get six to 12 months out of this.

00:27:25.000 There have been people convicted of these exact four.

00:27:28.000 In fact, a journalist out of Pensacola was convicted for these same four misdemeanors because he refused the plea deal.

00:27:36.000 When you refuse the plea deal, they typically punish you.

00:27:39.000 And he refused.

00:27:41.000 He went and did a bench trial in D.C., and then he was sentenced to eight months in a medium security facility where they don't house misdemeanor defendants at all, zero, unless you're a J6 defendant. 0.59

00:27:53.000 He spent his first two months in solitary confinement by wasting the government's for the crime of wasting the government's time and making them work and actually have to try him rather than him taking the plea deal officer.

00:28:05.000 On the other hand, just a couple of months ago, another independent journalist by the name of Stephen Horn, also from Raleigh, North Carolina, coincidentally, he went to it and took a jury trial on the same four charges, was convicted on all four.

00:28:20.000 But that judge, Judge Kelly, the same guy who sentenced the Proud Boys to so many years, Judge Kelly actually had mercy on him and only gave him probation and a $2,000 fine, but gave him no prison time.

00:28:34.000 We're behind you 100%.

00:28:35.000 God's going to use this for good.

00:28:38.000 And this just infuriates me.

00:28:40.000 More than 50% of all murders in America go unsolved.

00:28:44.000 50%.

00:28:45.000 And federal law enforcement spends hundreds of man hours chasing you around the country like you're some sort of hardened criminal to book you like you're El Chapo in leg irons in a prison cell.

00:28:58.000 It's outrageous.

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00:29:40.000 So Steve, has this lessened or weakened your resolve to fight for truth as a journalist with the Blaze?

00:29:47.000 What has this done for you personally?

00:29:50.000 It's not really affected my resolve at all.

00:29:53.000 My resolve has been from the beginning of this to get to the bottom of the truth and to reveal it to the American people.

00:29:59.000 And, you know, we've been pretty successful at some of that effort so far.

00:30:06.000 You know, we were able to show perjury in the Oathkeepers trial by two United States Capitol Police officers.

00:30:13.000 We've been able to do more work and more revelation on the DNC pipe bomb than anybody else.

00:30:18.000 We were able to actually show the detonation or the destruction of that bomb by virtue of a camera that the Capitol Police had forgotten about because we now know that they turned three.

00:30:29.000 I originally reported that there was only two, but Joe Hanneman from the Epoch Times, he has found a third camera that was turned away from the investigation scene.

00:30:38.000 And so obviously we're getting to the heart of the cover-up there.

00:30:44.000 What are they trying to cover up in that particular circumstance?

00:30:47.000 I'm the first one to show or tell the American people that it wasn't a quote-unquote passerby, as the FBI has said for three solid years, that it was in fact the United States plainclothes Capitol Police officer who discovered the pipe bomb.

00:31:04.000 And we know more.

00:31:05.000 We know more about that situation than we can yet tell.

00:31:08.000 We know more about the Agent Lazarus and Officer Harry Dunn stories than we can yet tell.

00:31:13.000 We are still waiting to receive evidence that we know that exists from Congress.

00:31:18.000 And we're talking about friendly Congress members, but the Capitol Police are powerful.

00:31:23.000 They're doing everything they can to keep from hiding or handing this evidence over.

00:31:23.000 They're resisting.

00:31:27.000 I don't know if you know this, Charlie, but the Capitol Police are not subjected to Freedom of Information requests.

00:31:34.000 So we can't FOIA for these documents that we know exist and that we need to continue revealing that story.

00:31:42.000 And part of the problem is that it's not just the Capitol Police, but once we have those documents in our hands, we're only one more very thin layer around from going to the heart of where this setup happened on January 6th and who put it together.

00:31:58.000 I love the resolve.

00:32:00.000 And Steve, you know, as this continues, what does the timeline then look for you with these trials?

00:32:05.000 Sometimes they could be stretch on forever.

00:32:07.000 What does your trial potentially look like?

00:32:10.000 Look, we have no idea yet because we still have no idea what our strategy is going to be.

00:32:15.000 We have a hearing on March the 14th, which basically is a repeat of what I did last week without the leg chains because it'll be a Zoom hearing with a magistrate in D.C.

00:32:27.000 We did this hearing I did here in Dallas was what they call an out-of-district hearing or arraignment or whatever the rule is.

00:32:35.000 There's too many things that the lawyers tell me that I can't keep up with.

00:32:38.000 But this is basically a repeat of that.

00:32:42.000 We'll see if there's any modification to my non-detention rules and restrictions that I'm operating under right now.

00:32:52.000 And then the real work begins because we'll find out who our judge is.

00:32:56.000 The judge, who that judge is, will be a big and major factor into what our strategy will be going forward.

00:33:03.000 But I can, you know, I don't mind saying because I've been very open about this.

00:33:07.000 We're going to take, we're going to go to the heart of this before, long before we ever get to trial.

00:33:13.000 We're going to try this case in the court of public opinion long before it ever hits a courtroom.

00:33:20.000 And then we're going to start, you know, we're going to start burying them in motions regarding change of venue.

00:33:25.000 We're going to bury them in motions regarding selective prosecution and many, many more.

00:33:31.000 And I don't mind saying those first two because I know those two are coming, but there will be more than that as well.

00:33:37.000 Steve, we applaud you for your resolve.

00:33:39.000 We're behind you 100%.

00:33:40.000 Keep fighting.

00:33:41.000 Thank you for the time.

00:33:42.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:33:43.000 Really appreciate it.

00:33:45.000 This is not a free country.

00:33:47.000 He's a normal American looking for the truth.

00:33:50.000 As I said before, he looks like a high school algebra teacher.

00:33:53.000 He's not a threat to the country.

00:33:55.000 Walks into the Capitol and does journalism.

00:33:57.000 By the way, New York Times does the exact same thing.

00:33:59.000 They don't get arrested.

00:34:01.000 This is not a free country.

00:34:02.000 I don't care if you're a right-winger, a left-winger, if you're a communist.

00:34:05.000 I don't care what you are. 0.87

00:34:07.000 This is a diseased nation, one that will hunt down Steve Baker for multiple years, put him in leg irons.

00:34:15.000 And by the way, there was a New York Times journalist in the Capitol, and they're free right now.

00:34:20.000 This is entirely about privilege.

00:34:22.000 There is no equal application of the law.

00:34:26.000 It's just the fact that Steve Baker works for the Blaze.

00:34:30.000 We need a constitutional reset big time.

00:34:35.000 This is a sick, sick state of affairs.

00:34:40.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:41.000 Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:44.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 04, 2024

The Unfree Nation Of Canada

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