The Charlie Kirk Show - The Uniparty Alliance Against Speech with Glenn Greenwald

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00:02:53.000 Super excited for our guest this hour, someone who I wanted to have on the show for quite some time, who has been a courageous voice for liberty against the national security state and the war machine.

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00:03:11.000 It is Glenn Greenwald.

00:03:12.000 Glenn, welcome to the program.

00:03:13.000 Great to be with you, Charlie.

00:03:14.000 Thanks for having me.

00:03:15.000 Glenn, let's start with this Anti-Semitism Awareness Act bill.

00:03:20.000 I mean, you don't like Jew hatred.

00:03:22.000 I don't either.

00:03:22.000 But why is the federal government sprinting to try to create more speech restrictions and to give money to a bureaucratic leviathan to restrict our freedoms and liberties?

00:03:35.000 Walk us through this.

00:03:36.000 There's many elements here that I find interesting.

00:03:38.000 Glenn, what is your reaction?

00:03:40.000 Yeah, so obviously, if you believe in free speech, it necessarily means you defend views not only that you dislike, but often find repellent.

00:03:47.000 Obviously, a big free speech controversy over the past decade has been attempts to silence or control speech in the name of stopping racism or xenophobia or Islamophobia or misogyny, whatever.

00:03:59.000 Nobody has to say they like those things in order to object to the censorship efforts.

00:04:03.000 And the same is true with anti-Semitism. 0.76

00:04:05.000 The problem of what just happened in the House was just to focus narrowly on what they actually did was there's federal anti-discrimination law that applies to places like educational institutions and public accommodations where anti-discrimination is prohibited.

00:04:22.000 And anti-Semitism is already part of the body of discrimination that is already prohibited.

00:04:28.000 What the House just did was that they adopted this massively expansive definition of anti-Semitism that places in Europe and that Israel has been advocating for a long time.

00:04:38.000 And within this definition are examples of the kind of anti-Semitism that is now prohibited.

00:04:44.000 And they incorporated not only this expanded definition into federal law, but also the examples themselves.

00:04:49.000 What the law says explicitly, we're incorporating not just the definition, but the examples.

00:04:53.000 And some of the examples are things like saying that a particular Jewish individual seems to have more loyalty to Israel than they do to the United States, criticizing Israel in a way that seems to impose on them double standards, meaning you're criticizing them in a way that you don't criticize other democratic states.

00:05:10.000 It prohibits you from saying that you think Jewish people are responsible for the death of Jesus.

00:05:15.000 It prohibits you from comparing the behavior of the Israeli state to some of the war crimes or crimes against humanity committed by Nazis.

00:05:24.000 Now, a lot of these views might be repellent, but they are absolutely within the realm of free speech to say any of those things.

00:05:30.000 And the thing that's most disturbing is that you're allowed to do it about any other kind of person.

00:05:35.000 You're allowed to say, for example, that, oh, those evangelicals over there seem to prioritize Israeli interests over American interests.

00:05:41.000 That's perfectly fine.

00:05:43.000 You can criticize other countries in any way you want, including with double standards.

00:05:47.000 The one thing you cannot do is say this expresses opinion about any individual who's Jewish or about the state of Israel in particular.

00:05:54.000 And that's why it's such a direct attack on First Amendment free speech rights.

00:05:58.000 And that's for the reason why, I mean, I don't think it's controversial to say that DC is run by a lot of very well-organized and well-financed lobbies.

00:06:06.000 You have Planned Parenthood and the NRA and, you know, big tech and Wall Street and pharmaceutical companies.

00:06:12.000 And the pro-Israel lobby is a major force in Washington.

00:06:16.000 But then you also have people in Congress who, for various religious or cultural reasons, really do love the state of Israel.

00:06:22.000 And then you also have people who believe it's an important component of our national security, which is fine to think all those things, but that doesn't justify assaults on the free speech rights of Americans to protect this foreign country. 0.70

00:06:34.000 No, and it certainly doesn't, it doesn't support trying to loop in criticism of the bill as if you're in favor of anti-Semitism.

00:06:40.000 There's a whole other wrinkle to this, which is if you're against the bill, sometimes you want more anti-Semitism to occur.

00:06:45.000 So, Glenn, I want to highlight this, though.

00:06:48.000 Speaker Johnson bypassed the committee process.

00:06:51.000 So, typically, these things get marked up in a committee.

00:06:54.000 This was thrown onto the floor bypassing a promise that he made that everyone would have 72 hours to read the bill.

00:07:01.000 This is while all the campus protests that are happening, the vast majority of which is constitutionally protected speech.

00:07:07.000 Glenn, can you go deeper into kind of the pressure campaign where it seems DC can only agree on a couple things: spying on America, borrowing money we don't have, restricting speech, and financing wars that don't matter.

00:07:19.000 Glenn.

00:07:20.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:07:21.000 First of all, let's go back to when the members of the House of Representatives who successfully removed Kevin McCarthy from the speakership.

00:07:29.000 Well, actually, first they refused to put him as speaker until he granted a variety of concessions that even a lot of Democrats admitted were necessary reforms of the House because Nancy Pelosi before Kevin McCarthy, even Paul Ryan, before him, and now Speaker McCarthy had consolidated so much power in House leadership and in the speakership position that basically the rest of the House were just decorative.

00:07:51.000 They were just kind of there and had no power whatsoever.

00:07:54.000 And obviously, that's not the way the House is supposed to work.

00:07:56.000 So they demanded all these reforms to ensure that the speaker couldn't control everything, that members of Congress, as you say, had the right to read things, have the right to pass things through committee, had the right to control what gets to the House floor.

00:08:08.000 Mike Johnson, even after he watched Kevin McCarthy get deposed for violating all those, he made those promises again.

00:08:14.000 He is now systematically violating almost every one of them because he knows that the Republicans cannot remove him because the Democrats have promised that as long as he serves their agenda, which he has done very faithfully, including reversing his long held positions to do so, like opposition to more funding for the war in Ukraine, keeping that horrific war going.

00:08:35.000 He was on my show where he talked about the evils of war and this eavesdropping and said, we will never renew FISA without reforms.

00:08:42.000 He then led the way to renew FISA without reforms at the behest of the CIA and the Biden White House.

00:08:47.000 He swore that the FBI does not deserve a brand new federal headquarters building by spending $9 billion to build it.

00:08:53.000 That was one of his main complaints about the FBI.

00:08:56.000 And then he oversaw the appropriation of that money.

00:08:59.000 So he has the protection of the Democratic Party, as long as he does their bidding to do anything he wants.

00:09:04.000 So he can ignore all those promises he made to the dissatisfied members of the more populist wing of the Republican Party because he has the protection of Hakeem Jeffries and MC Pelosi and the rest of them.

00:09:14.000 So to take this bill and throw it onto the House floor, and there were, you know, overwhelming support in both political parties.

00:09:22.000 There were only 21 Republicans who voted no, 70 Democrats who voted no.

00:09:26.000 So overwhelmingly, both caucuses agreed.

00:09:28.000 It's because they see this political opportunity to claim that there's rampant anti-Semitism in the United States, that Jewish students are being endangered, creating a kind of moral panic that we've had about racial minorities or trans people, that they're subject to hate speech that might incite violence or a genocide against them.

00:09:45.000 And therefore, we need to control speech.

00:09:47.000 It's the same mentality, just directed to a different minority group.

00:09:50.000 And there's obviously a lot of political benefit to doing this among powerful groups.

00:09:54.000 And therefore, neither political party wanted to get on the wrong side of that.

00:09:57.000 So wait, Mike Johnson went on your show trying to brag about, is that, did I hear that correctly that he spoke to you about FISA protections?

00:10:05.000 When was that?

00:10:06.000 That's that's true.

00:10:07.000 Yeah, it was just like three months before he became a speaker.

00:10:10.000 It was the day that FBI director Christopher Way went to the committee and he grilled them.

00:10:15.000 But these were like, Charlie, these were like passionate convictions he was defending.

00:10:19.000 You know, they weren't just throwaway lines for my show.

00:10:21.000 He like elaborated on them.

00:10:22.000 He's a constitutional law professor.

00:10:24.000 And so imagine my amazement to watch him then lead the way, not just a yes vote, but lead the way, strategize to ensure those things pass.

00:10:32.000 No, I just, I think that's such a powerful point because he also came on our show and was complaining about some FBI thing.

00:10:39.000 And, you know, we debate this sometimes.

00:10:41.000 What motivates these people or turns these people?

00:10:43.000 I mean, are they weak?

00:10:44.000 Are they blackmailed?

00:10:45.000 I want to have you riff on this, Glenn, because it's our audience is like 99%.

00:10:50.000 He's blackmailed.

00:10:51.000 And I'm not totally convinced of that.

00:10:53.000 I think it's just the weight of the security state just collapsed him.

00:10:58.000 That's my working theory.

00:10:59.000 Glenn, what is your reaction?

00:11:01.000 Yeah, we do know that political blackmail has been used by the U.S. security state agencies for a long time.

00:11:05.000 J. Kerhoover had dossiers on many political officials.

00:11:09.000 That's how he was able to run the FBI for six decades.

00:11:11.000 Everyone was petrified of him.

00:11:12.000 But I don't like to make blackmail accusations without evidence.

00:11:15.000 And we have none in Mike Johnson's case.

00:11:17.000 I think it's more that, you know, when he was asked, why did you change your mind?

00:11:20.000 He said, oh, I went to a briefing.

00:11:21.000 They like bring these people into the bowels of American power, you know, the situation room, the like blinking NSA room, and they have people with medals on their chest, very powerful people come and treat them like dignitaries and say, you're in real power now.

00:11:34.000 And that means being responsible and understanding our need to spy on Americans without warrants.

00:11:39.000 And they know that that power that they now have, this kind of prestige getting into the inner circle is dependent upon them serving an agenda that they had long said they opposed.

00:11:48.000 And human nature craves power and they're willing to make those compromises to do it.

00:11:51.000 I think that it's that more than anything else.

00:11:53.000 So Glenn, let me ask you, I want to dive into this.

00:11:56.000 Can you talk about this kind of these shows that the Intel agencies put on in these skiffs?

00:12:02.000 I think this is really important, where no phone, no staff.

00:12:05.000 So it's just Speaker Johnson.

00:12:06.000 We kind of call this the woo-woo show, where they kind of show you a lot, but it's like half truths and half lies.

00:12:13.000 From all of your excellent reporting that you've done, what happens in these skiffs?

00:12:18.000 And how could Mike Johnson go from a fire-breathing Fourth Amendment advocate on the Glenn Greenwald show to a capitulating Bush-Cheney spy on everything that moves hack?

00:12:29.000 You're working hypothesis.

00:12:31.000 So please, yes.

00:12:32.000 Yeah, I remember when we were doing the Snowden reporting, which went on for two and a half years, and it was, we were able to show that the NSA in secret, even unbeknownst to most members of Congress, had converted the internet into a range of mass domestic warrantless surveillance directed not just at foreign populations, but the American population as well.

00:12:50.000 It was obviously a big deal.

00:12:51.000 It made a lot of, it was a lot very controversial because no one knew that the U.S. government and the NSA were doing that.

00:12:57.000 And the NSA, a couple of months after we began, invited 60 Minutes into like the secret parts of the NSA.

00:13:04.000 And the 60 Minutes was so excited.

00:13:06.000 You know, they were like showing the camera with the like codes being opened on the door.

00:13:10.000 They love all these toys.

00:13:11.000 You know, people get enamored of them, thinking like this is some kind of futuristic world.

00:13:14.000 And they're so grateful to be let into the inner sanctum.

00:13:17.000 Even though if you look at the 60 Minutes report, it was just so funny because these were just conference rooms, like with nothing in them.

00:13:23.000 But because they were presented as like the secret spaces where super important thing happens, where we see like the situation room, people feel good.

00:13:30.000 They feel like important getting access to those, you know, and think about how Mike Johnson is being treated like, I mean, he's flirting line to the presidency now.

00:13:38.000 You think he wants to go back to the back benches of Congress?

00:13:41.000 So he's obviously willing to do anything.

00:13:44.000 And, you know, even though we're very critical, a lot of us are, about the security state agencies, there's also part of our brain that has been inculcated for a long time with the image that, you know, what happens in the CIA, what happens in the NSA, and the FBI is super sophisticated, the most highly secretive stuff, you know, and important stuff that sometimes actually does catch criminals or terrorists or protects the country.

00:14:07.000 And I think even for people who are critical of those agencies, once they're embraced by them and once they get welcomed in and presented with like top secret, super secret documents, they really get hypnotized by it.

00:14:20.000 I remember when Obama ran for president in 2008, he presented himself.

00:14:23.000 I'm a constitutional lawyer.

00:14:24.000 Americans had turned against the excess of the war on terror.

00:14:26.000 He promised to uproot all these neocon and Bush-Cheney domestic abridgments of civil liberties in the name of war on terror.

00:14:32.000 And he gets into office and within two months, you know, he's in love with David Petraeus and he has all these like Princeton and Harvard educated generals in his office.

00:14:42.000 He loves special forces.

00:14:43.000 He loves drones.

00:14:45.000 And not only did he not uproot any of those programs, but he continued them and in a lot of ways expanded them.

00:14:51.000 The very programs that he swore over and over that he based his campaign on uprooting.

00:14:56.000 Remember, close Guantanamo and all these interrogation programs.

00:15:00.000 And none of that happened.

00:15:02.000 And I think it was because he was so enamored too that he got to like have these secret briefings.

00:15:06.000 These guys have been around for decades.

00:15:07.000 They know how to manipulate newly elected presidents or newly elected House speakers.

00:15:12.000 Yeah, that's such a good point.

00:15:13.000 And the Obama one is perfect because even more than Mike Johnson, a lot of his support back in 07, 08, I'm going to close down Gitmo.

00:15:21.000 I'm going to give people a lot of time to read bills.

00:15:23.000 You know, it's out of control what Bush Cheney has done.

00:15:26.000 And I think that McCain was going to lose no matter what.

00:15:28.000 I think it was just an Obama wave year.

00:15:30.000 But the margins of power, I think a lot of people said, hey, I think he had a lot of cultural libertarians that voted for him, a lot of privacy security concerns, people that were concerned about privacy behind him, his support.

00:15:42.000 And he did none of it.

00:15:43.000 He was even worse in some ways for domestic spying and civil rights abuses than anything we've seen in recent memory.

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00:16:58.000 So, Glenn, the journalism that you did with Edward Snowden was heroes' work.

00:17:04.000 It's legendary.

00:17:05.000 And it really opened my eyes as a young activist of, wow, the government really is spying on us.

00:17:09.000 Of course, they're lying to us.

00:17:10.000 It's worse than we could ever imagine.

00:17:12.000 Outside of your reporting just last year, FISA's own inspector general said that they violated the FISA statute 278,000 times.

00:17:21.000 278,000 times just in 2023.

00:17:25.000 How do you process your incredible groundbreaking journalism last decade and the lack of legislative victories?

00:17:33.000 How do you think about that?

00:17:35.000 You know, it's such a good question.

00:17:36.000 I really got a hard lesson in how DC works because when we first did the reporting, especially what people were most shocked by was the fact that the U.S. security state had been turned inward on the domestic population.

00:17:47.000 The whole idea, if you go back to the National Security Act of 1947, the kind of legislative framework that created the deep state in the name of fighting communism first and then terrorism once communism fell in the Soviet Union, was that the kind of ultimate taboo was that this machinery would be directed inward toward the American population or American soil and be involved in our domestic politics.

00:18:08.000 It was always supposed to be, it was going to only be directed at foreign adversaries.

00:18:12.000 And you had a lot of people inside the U.S. security state, especially after 9-11, like William Benney and ultimately Edward Snowden and others who became whistleblowers, who were very dissatisfied and angry that what they had been taught to expect from these institutions that they had devoted their lives to was being violated systematically.

00:18:29.000 And when we did this reporting, there was a bipartisan bill sponsored by this newly elected Tea Party right-wing congressman, Justin Amash from Michigan, who co-sponsored it with this old African-American civil libertarian liberal, John Conyers.

00:18:44.000 And the union of those two signified this emerging bipartisan consensus that for the first time since 9-11, we need to start to roll back some of these powers, things that got invested in the Patriot Act, in domestic spying, the FISA Acts of 2008.

00:18:58.000 And it really looked like it was going to succeed.

00:19:01.000 And it was the Obama White House that called Nancy Pelosi and said, you need to do whatever you need to do.

00:19:07.000 Call in every favor, make every threat to get this bill stopped.

00:19:10.000 It failed by a vote, about six votes as a margin.

00:19:13.000 And there is an article, you can Google it in Foreign Policy Magazine, obviously an institutional journal, where the headline is how Nancy Pelosi saved the NSA.

00:19:22.000 These, and that is why, you know, I've been so fascinated for so long by this like potential to unify people on the left and right around these populist issues, around the opposition to the U.S. security state, because there's always been a long time strain in right-wing politics that has been very suspicious of the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, all those federal agencies.

00:19:42.000 Obviously, there's been a strain of that on the left.

00:19:44.000 The problem is that establishment forces still prevail, even with the rise of all this populism.

00:19:49.000 And until that changes, it's going to be very hard to combat.

00:19:52.000 Yeah, what I will say, though, is that the people are with us and that the everyday rank and file American does want to restrain the Leviathan and does want to try to have a check and balance on their power.

00:20:05.000 And this is why we're trying our best to reform the Republican Party.

00:20:08.000 And I want to just have you comment on that, Glenn, because if, you know, like rewind seven years ago, us having a dialogue would like shock people.

00:20:15.000 Now it's like, oh, yeah, it kind of makes sense.

00:20:17.000 I'm kind of more of that populist right.

00:20:19.000 I don't trust the government.

00:20:20.000 I don't like the fact they're spying on us.

00:20:21.000 I agree with you completely on the privacy issues, on the war issues.

00:20:25.000 Do you think that, and just looking at this as a journalist analytically, in the Democrat Party, it feels as if that the voice of privacy concerns has been muted, if not stifled, where on the right, it certainly is ascendant.

00:20:40.000 And just looking at the vote tally, more Republicans voted for warrant requirements than even Democrats did.

00:20:47.000 What do you make of this, Glenn?

00:20:48.000 Oh, there's no question that Donald Trump transformed right-wing politics in very positive ways, including creating this massive space to not just begin questioning the U.S. security state, but to be aggressively critiquing it.

00:21:01.000 Obviously, they tried to sabotage not just his presidency, but first his campaign.

00:21:05.000 I mean, the Rushgate fraud emanated from the bowels of the CIA and FBI.

00:21:09.000 They were just constantly, you know, passing anonymous falsehoods to the New York Times and the Washington Post that showered themselves with polluters for reporting it.

00:21:18.000 Remember during the 2016 campaign that an FBI lawyer illegally lied to the FISA court to get warrants to spy on Carter Page, and he ended up having to plead guilty and then leave the FBI because of it.

00:21:30.000 The way it's always worked is there's been a massive opposition and skepticism toward the U.S. security state in left liberal politics and strains of it in right-wing politics.

00:21:39.000 You go back to Pat Buchanan.

00:21:41.000 He hated neoconservatives.

00:21:42.000 He hated the deep state.

00:21:44.000 Ron Paul did way better than anyone thought in the 2008, 2012 elections, going into deep red districts and ranting about the evils of these institutions and the neoconservative ideology in general.

00:21:56.000 It was really Trump.

00:21:56.000 They needed like a very charismatic figure.

00:21:58.000 Ron Paul wasn't charismatic, as great as he often was, but he has exploded it.

00:22:03.000 And now at the same time, because liberals in the United States monomaniacally only think about Trump, everything is through the prism of Trump, watching there be growing skepticism toward these agencies.

00:22:13.000 And the Republican Party had the opposite effect of massively increasing support for and trust in these agencies because they began perceiving these agencies, the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, Homeland Security, correctly as political allies.

00:22:27.000 These last couple of weeks could be a masterclass, Glenn, of anybody who is trying to understand American politics, where in the last couple of weeks, the U.S. Congress has reauthorized FISA, obliterating the Fourth Amendment.

00:22:38.000 They passed this anti-Semitism bill, which is just awful, trying to restrict speech, the First Amendment, and then $100 billion in foreign funding of war.

00:22:48.000 And I really want to spend a good amount of time on this, Glenn, which is the proliferation of the war machine and the further funding of it has weakened American, not just American fiscal strength, but it's also, Jeff, it's destabilized regions around the world.

00:23:08.000 What do you make of the continual push for Ukraine funding despite any sort of any sort of victory in sight, whatever that might be?

00:23:18.000 We see leader after leader say that the funding of the Ukraine war is the most important thing happening in the world.

00:23:28.000 It seems as if that agreement, not disagreement, is actually the center of power in Washington, D.C. Agreement on financing the war machine.

00:23:36.000 Glenn Greenwald.

00:23:38.000 Yeah, so let me just go back quickly to President Obama because at least in foreign policy, the people he really revered were these kind of like realists who were in the first Bush presidency, like James Baker and Brett Scowcroft.

00:23:50.000 Eventually, Obama started thinking about the world through that lens.

00:23:52.000 And one of the things he was attacked for by the kind of national security hawks in both the Democrat and Republican Party was his refusal to confront Russia over Syria and Ukraine.

00:24:02.000 And his argument was.

00:24:03.000 Ukraine is always going to be a vital interest to Russia because it's right on the most sensitive part of their border.

00:24:08.000 Ukraine is never going to be a vital interest to the United States.

00:24:11.000 And of course, we're not going to risk confrontation with a nuclear armed power over who rules various provinces in eastern Ukraine. 0.55

00:24:18.000 And he didn't want to send arms to Ukraine, lethal arms, so as to not provoke the Russians.

00:24:22.000 And he was attacked by Mark Rubio and John McCain, Joe Lieberman, all those kind of people.

00:24:27.000 What changed, Charlie, was that in 2016, when the most cataclysmic event ever happened for American liberals, which was the defeat of Hillary Clinton by Donald Trump, they needed some way to explain this.

00:24:37.000 Like, how do you explain something so terrible could happen in their minds?

00:24:41.000 And they settled on Russia.

00:24:43.000 They decided to claim there were a lot of villains, but principally it was Vladimir Putin, whose interference in the 2016 election, so goes this fairy tale, elected Donald Trump.

00:24:52.000 And ever since then, the Democratic Party has viewed Russia as their mortal enemy, purely for reasons of domestic politics.

00:24:59.000 They think that they're the reason that they that Trump got elected.

00:25:05.000 And then you join those people.

00:25:06.000 There's no, not a single no vote in the Democratic caucus against funding the war in Ukraine.

00:25:10.000 Not one, not one dissenter.

00:25:12.000 It's unanimous.

00:25:13.000 You join them with the standard Republican Party warmongers and national security hawks who occupy a lot of these critical committees.

00:25:19.000 And you have a huge majority of members of Congress who want to fuel this war, even though Ukraine has no chance of winning.

00:25:25.000 They're fighting with an involuntary conscript army of people who know they're being sent as carrot cannon fodder. 0.68

00:25:29.000 And the only people who are profiting are corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs close to Zelensky and the arms industry in the United States, as well as the U.S. security state that always gets more power with more war.

00:25:40.000 But those are the people who ultimately run Washington because you look at polls, as you say, and people universally say, we want to stop being the police of the world.

00:25:48.000 We don't want to be involved in more foreign wars.

00:25:49.000 And yet DC does not care.

00:25:51.000 Glenn, there's a new story out this weekend that the amount of millionaires in Ukraine has gone up.

00:25:58.000 That the amount of people, did you see this story?

00:26:00.000 Congressman Corey Mills posted it.

00:26:02.000 Your reaction.

00:26:04.000 Obviously, war has always had a huge profit component to it.

00:26:08.000 I mean, some wars are just, some wars are necessary.

00:26:11.000 But in wartime, people who are in the business of war profit greatly.

00:26:16.000 And for a long time, Ukraine has been notorious for being the most corrupt country in Europe.

00:26:20.000 There's all kinds of graft.

00:26:22.000 There's all kinds of bribery.

00:26:24.000 There's everything going around.

00:26:25.000 So when you send, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars and just drown Kiev with that amount of money.

00:26:31.000 And by the way, there's no safeguards on it.

00:26:33.000 Rand Paul, one time or twice, proposed an amendment, just put an inspector general like we did in Afghanistan, where they found billions of dollars in fraud.

00:26:41.000 He got accused by Mitch McConnell of being a Kremlin agent for wanting that.

00:26:44.000 So there's no safeguards.

00:26:45.000 Of course, this money is disappearing.

00:26:47.000 Of course, it's going into secret bank accounts offshore in Switzerland that's enriching corrupt Ukrainian officials.

00:26:53.000 They're just having Americans pay for their personal enrichment. 0.68

00:26:57.000 It is remarkable.

00:26:57.000 It is.

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00:28:18.000 Glenn, I want to play this piece of tape here.

00:28:20.000 This is from this last weekend at the McCain Institute Sedona Forum, which I encourage you guys to check out that website.

00:28:27.000 I was flipping through it earlier.

00:28:28.000 The McCain Institute is really kind of the uniparty center of power.

00:28:33.000 And if you go look through the speakers from George Soros Open Society Foundation to, you know, Uniparty senators in the Republican and the Democrat Party, they had a breakout.

00:28:41.000 You'll love this, Glenn, which is how to survive America first.

00:28:46.000 As if, you know, we must get over this chapter of people that actually want to put the nation state first.

00:28:50.000 This one piece of tape, though, is remarkable, which is about that Mitt Romney says we must ban TikTok because people are learning the truth about the Israeli Hamas war on TikTok.

00:29:05.000 Therefore, we must ban it.

00:29:07.000 This is, regardless of your position on the Israeli Hamas issue, I happen to be pro-Israel.

00:29:12.000 This is a reprehensible comment by Willard Mitt Romney.

00:29:15.000 Play cut 38.

00:29:17.000 Yeah, a small parenthetical point, which is some wonder why there was such overwhelming support for us to shut down potentially TikTok or other entities of that nature.

00:29:27.000 If you look at the postings on TikTok and the number of mentions of Palestinians relative to other social media sites, it's overwhelmingly so among TikTok broadcasts.

00:29:39.000 So I'd note that's of real interest, and the president will get the chance to make action in that regard.

00:29:47.000 So what he's saying here, Glenn, is that on the Israel-Hamas issue, one of the reasons they wanted to ban TikTok is to censor war footage.

00:29:58.000 What's going on here?

00:30:00.000 So this bill to ban TikTok has been lurking in Washington for years now, and it didn't get anywhere close to commanding a majority of members of Congress because it's a very extreme measure to take to ban an app that a third of Americans voluntarily choose to use.

00:30:16.000 Even if you're somebody who is very hawkish against China, first of all, our policies of funding foreign wars have been better for China than anything.

00:30:22.000 They go around the world exploiting this resentment against the United States for fueling wars everywhere.

00:30:27.000 That's one of China's best assets.

00:30:29.000 But the other point is the fear of China wasn't enough to get the TikTok ban passed.

00:30:34.000 If you go and look at every major news report and the statements of the main sponsors of this bill, what they will tell you is the same thing Mitt Romney said: that what finally got Congress willing to embrace such an extreme bill was that they were concerned that there was too much Israel criticism circulating on TikTok.

00:30:52.000 In other words, that there was too much pro-Palestinian activism being allowed on the platform that they weren't censoring enough.

00:30:58.000 And that is the reason why they finally decided to either force the sale of TikTok to a company that the U.S. government can more directly influence and control for content moderation decisions like they do at Facebook and Google, or to ban the app altogether.

00:31:11.000 And as you say, even if you're adamantly pro-Israel and want the U.S. financing all their wars and their military or whatever, this is about free speech in the United States.

00:31:19.000 This is about the idea that if a platform doesn't censor enough of the views of American citizens, even young leftists are still American citizens under the Constitution, that that platform should be banned.

00:31:30.000 And I think that's what's so disturbing.

00:31:32.000 And by the way, let me just say one more thing about the McCain Institute.

00:31:34.000 We once did a report about who funds the McCain Institute.

00:31:37.000 Just Google it.

00:31:38.000 It's like all the major arms dealers, all the war machine think tanks.

00:31:43.000 That's where all their money comes from, unsurprisingly.

00:31:46.000 Yeah, and I want to dive into that because it's really amazing.

00:31:49.000 I totally agree with you.

00:31:50.000 Donald Trump just broke so many of these people because now the McCain Institute unabashedly has presenters from the Open Society Foundation.

00:31:57.000 Just like it's just, okay, sure.

00:31:59.000 I mean, you know, George Soros's presenters are allowed on stage where before they would try to hide it.

00:32:03.000 Now they have Democrats and Republicans speaking at this McCain Institute Sedona forum.

00:32:08.000 But again, the disagreements they have are not actually over anything necessarily consequential.

00:32:15.000 You have here Senator Bill Cassidy, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse.

00:32:19.000 You know, you have Admiral Linda Fagan from the Coast Guard.

00:32:22.000 You have all the warmongers and senators where outside of the populist right with like Josh Hawley, Rand Paul, and maybe a couple other voices, JD Vance, and a couple people on the left, which in the Senate is even less, that the Washington, D.C. is fenced in around a complete agreement for what exactly.

00:32:42.000 How would you then describe that, Glenn, to someone who is not as political?

00:32:45.000 What do they have an agreement on?

00:32:46.000 Invade the world, invite the world, neocon politics.

00:32:50.000 What does their vision of success look like for someone that is still trying to understand and comprehend this?

00:32:56.000 Yeah, I think the main ideology is one of warmongering, of interference militarily in foreign countries, of fueling financial wars, foreign wars.

00:33:05.000 Obviously, what defined John McCain's foreign policy was that he never saw a proposed war that he was opposed to.

00:33:11.000 He wanted to go in everywhere, not just invading Iraq and Afghanistan and bombing a bunch of Muslim countries, but also regime change in Syria, regime change in Libya. 0.92

00:33:21.000 He went to Kiev with Christopher Murphy, the Democratic senator from Connecticut.

00:33:27.000 Yeah, that's amazing.

00:33:27.000 You have that?

00:33:29.000 That's back in 2014.

00:33:30.000 And the snow woman, Amy Klobuchar.

00:33:32.000 Yes, that's right.

00:33:32.000 Yeah, keep going.

00:33:34.000 And Victoria Newland also went with them. 0.99

00:33:35.000 She handed out like bakery goods, which I'm sure she always keeps in her purse, like donuts and whatever. 0.90

00:33:40.000 She shared some of them probably reluctantly with the protesters.

00:33:43.000 But they had a huge bipartisan showing, like, why do we care so much about who's governing Ukraine?

00:33:48.000 That was when the Democratic elected president of Ukraine was removed.

00:33:50.000 So that's what John McCain always stood for, which is very aggressive interventionist foreign policy, not just to defend American borders, but to interfere in other countries, changing their government.

00:34:00.000 And his main ally was Joe Lieberman, who in 2000 was Al Gore's running mate to be the Democratic nominee for vice president.

00:34:07.000 So you constantly hear, Charlie, you know, in the media, oh, the two parties are so radically different.

00:34:11.000 There's no bipartisanship anymore.

00:34:13.000 They can't stand each other.

00:34:14.000 The reality is they agree on most consequential things.

00:34:17.000 They disagree on culture war issues, a couple of other kind of ancillary issues.

00:34:21.000 But by and large, far more is done in Washington on a fully bipartisan basis.

00:34:26.000 And I think the foreign policy, the reason John McCain is such a worship figure, and George Soros' son, Alex, was present at that conference as well, unsurprisingly, is because the two parties, the establishment wings, share that view of foreign policy that we should be always engaged in war, always financing wars, always intervening in other countries.

00:34:46.000 And this more than anything, like I said, is what's helping China.

00:34:48.000 That's why there's so many countries going toward China because they exploit the narrative.

00:34:52.000 Look, when America runs the world, they bomb you, they invade you, they engineer coups.

00:34:57.000 We're just here to do business with you.

00:34:59.000 I mean, are they wrong?

00:35:00.000 I mean, look at the foreign policy project.

00:35:02.000 I mean, I'm not a China fan at all, actually, but look at our foreign policy portfolio over the last 10 years, displaced Qaddafi, made ruin of Syria.

00:35:11.000 Look what's happened with Ukraine and Russia. 0.52

00:35:13.000 We can't keep the Middle East in order. 1.00

00:35:15.000 I mean, the military-industrial complex has broken more countries than we can even name off the top of our head.

00:35:21.000 This is cut 39.

00:35:22.000 I believe this is Mr. Graham.

00:35:24.000 This is a separate visit.

00:35:25.000 This is McCain, Lindsey Graham, and A.B. Klobuchar in 2017 encouraging those Ukrainian troops to play offense against the Kremlin.

00:35:33.000 2016, play cut 39.

00:35:36.000 Your fight is our fight.

00:35:37.000 2017 will be the year of offense.

00:35:40.000 All of us will go back to Washington and we will push the case against Russia.

00:35:46.000 Enough of a Russian aggression. 0.90

00:35:48.000 It is time for them to pay a heavier price.

00:35:51.000 I mean, I want people to imagine a bunch of Russian senators going to Mexico City and saying that to us, Glenn.

00:35:57.000 Yeah, or in 2014, there was basically a coup against the Ukrainian president who was democratically acted another year of his term constitutionally.

00:36:06.000 They financed huge numbers of armed militias to go outside the presidential palace and one American official after the next.

00:36:12.000 And both parties came and encouraged those protesters.

00:36:15.000 So imagine if there were armed militias funded by a foreign government outside the White House and then you had Russian senators or Chinese officials coming there and encouraging them, you know, promising aid to them, telling them to keep going, handing out food to them.

00:36:30.000 Imagine the level of interference that that would be viewed as.

00:36:34.000 And that's what the United States was doing in Ukraine.

00:36:36.000 And so this idea like, hey, why did the Russians consider what we were doing in Ukraine to be such a provocative presence?

00:36:42.000 Obviously, if you had the Russians or the Chinese, as you said, in Mexico City for more than a decade interfering in their internal politics, financing their military, giving them lethal arms, encouraging them to attack the United States, we would consider that a pretty grave threat as well. 0.89

00:36:55.000 We almost had a nuclear war when the Soviets, at the Cuban government's request, put nuclear weapons in Cuba.

00:37:02.000 So obviously, we know how we would see it.

00:37:04.000 And it was very predictable that that would provoke a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

00:37:08.000 Top officials in the United States have been born that for years.

00:37:12.000 And if you interfere too much in Ukraine, it's going to force the Russians into Crimea and eastern Ukraine.

00:37:18.000 Either they ignored it or they wanted it.

00:37:20.000 And now we have this war funded by the John McCain of the world, the Joe Liebermans of the world, the Lindsey Grahams of the world, and it's completely bipartisan.

00:37:28.000 In closing here, Glenn, I know you got a dash.

00:37:30.000 Plug your show, please, and the important work you're doing.

00:37:32.000 And second, I asked this question of our guests recently.

00:37:35.000 What are you seeing that gives you hope?

00:37:38.000 Yeah, so thanks, Charlie.

00:37:39.000 Our show is on Rumble because of its free speech policies.

00:37:42.000 We air every night at live at 7 p.m. Eastern.

00:37:45.000 It's called System Update.

00:37:47.000 And as far as what gives me hope, it actually is that there is a growing sentiment in right-wing populist politics that had for a long time been primarily the province of left-wing politics that identifies these institutions as the enemies of the American population and this neocon ideology as the enemy of the American population, where it wasn't really there before.

00:38:08.000 I think Donald Trump is primarily responsible for that.

00:38:10.000 This ability to come together as people across partisan ideological lines is what ultimately we need to do.

00:38:16.000 I love it.

00:38:17.000 Glenn, I completely agree.

00:38:18.000 And check out his show.

00:38:20.000 Glenn, thank you so much.

00:38:20.000 It is terrific.

00:38:22.000 Great talking to you, Charlie.

00:38:23.000 Thank you.

00:38:23.000 Have a good day.

00:38:24.000 And I want to just repeat what Glenn is saying there.

00:38:26.000 This is why we're going to win in the end.

00:38:29.000 We've got a lot of stuff to organize.

00:38:30.000 We've got to fix the RNC and all this.

00:38:32.000 There's more that unites the commoner than divides us.

00:38:36.000 I'm not talking about the protester up at some encampment.

00:38:40.000 No, no, no.

00:38:40.000 I'm talking about the everyday American.

00:38:44.000 Glenn is supposed to be a liberal.

00:38:46.000 And here we are dialoguing, agreeing about adventurous foreign wars, how we have to rein in Northrop Grumman, rein in the war machine.

00:38:56.000 It is the people against the kingdom of Washington, D.C.

00:39:00.000 It is the citizen against the beast.

00:39:03.000 That is the framing.

00:39:06.000 It is whether or not we are going to be a republic or an oligarchy.

00:39:12.000 An oligarchy is the rule of the few.

00:39:14.000 And that is, it makes sense, doesn't it?

00:39:17.000 Trust the experts.

00:39:18.000 Give more power to the FBI.

00:39:20.000 Give more power to the CIA.

00:39:22.000 I thought it was so illuminating, eye-opening, and moving what he said about Mike Johnson.

00:39:30.000 Mike Johnson was Mr. FISA Reform.

00:39:34.000 And he becomes Speaker of the House.

00:39:35.000 He gets a couple of woo-woo sessions with the intel agencies.

00:39:39.000 Whatever you want, man.

00:39:40.000 You got some blinking lights.

00:39:43.000 Sure, spy on me harder.

00:39:45.000 But the people are with us.

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00:39:57.000 I know it can, you know, wear you down a little bit.

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00:41:12.000 Why are young men trending conservative?

00:41:16.000 Well, there's this scandal out of Oxford, Mississippi.

00:41:21.000 So there was a scandal over the weekend, allegedly, and it really has the media upset and even some weak-kneed conservatives running for the Hills.

00:41:28.000 There's this ultra-viral clip of a morbidly obese anti-Israel protester facing a group of frat bros who were counter-protesting and they were mocking her, mostly because she makes Lizzo look skinny.

00:41:41.000 One of those protesters in a short clip is seen allegedly making King Kong type noises at the woman.

00:41:48.000 This somehow is a huge story, bigger than the southern border, clipping on all this.

00:41:52.000 You guys be the judge for yourself.

00:41:54.000 I'm not defending this alleged behavior, but it's a college campus, a bunch of frat bros.

00:41:59.000 Get over yourself.

00:42:00.000 Play cut 31.

00:42:12.000 So I'm not even convinced that guy at the end is actually doing what they say he's doing.

00:42:17.000 And there you have Michael Orr, who is being held back by the university police.

00:42:25.000 And now Ole Miss is launching this massive probe into the guy that you saw for two seconds at the end of the clip in a baby blue collared shirt on racism.

00:42:37.000 You see, we called this on thought crime last week.

00:42:39.000 Remember, I said, how long until they play offense against the frat boys?

00:42:42.000 Well, here we go.

00:42:43.000 Well, this young man has now been kicked out of his fraternity because national frats are super weak. 0.99

00:42:50.000 This is insane and ridiculous. 0.94

00:42:51.000 He got kicked out of his fraternity, Phi, Data, Delta, Theta, which has disavowed him. 0.98

00:42:57.000 Ooh, disavowed him.

00:42:58.000 How many people have been disavowed over, I don't know, the encampments where you guys have set up yourselves on campuses across the country.

00:43:05.000 He might be expelled over this.

00:43:08.000 And to my knowledge, I don't know of any anti-Israel protester that has been expelled across the country.

00:43:14.000 No one will get serious heat for justifying and celebrating Hamas's atrocities on October 7th.

00:43:21.000 So let's be 100% real.

00:43:22.000 What is the worst possible interpretation of what this young man did?

00:43:27.000 The worst possible interpretation is he was being a smart aleck, rude, college frat bro to a woman on the other side of a protest.

00:43:35.000 That's it. 0.97

00:43:35.000 He didn't throw her resume into the garbage because of her skin color, something the left does all the time. 0.97

00:43:41.000 He didn't violently intimidate her like the leftist protesters do all the time. 0.95

00:43:45.000 He didn't commit assault or robbery or murder like the criminals the left does.

00:43:50.000 They put them on street on street without bail all the time.

00:43:53.000 The left wants to ruin this young man's life.

00:43:56.000 They want him punished worse than the rioters, thieves, and literal murderers. 0.56

00:44:01.000 They want him to become unemployable.

00:44:03.000 When at this very moment, the Biden regime is literally suing Sheets, a gas station chain, for refusing to hire violent criminals.

00:44:11.000 It's a true thing. 0.83

00:44:15.000 This is the propaganda campaign that the left runs non-stop.

00:44:19.000 We have to learn to resist it.

00:44:21.000 They want you to think that a young man making noises for a few seconds on a college campus is bigger than the violent crimes and mayhem the left-wing rioters commit every day.

00:44:31.000 Why are young men moving right? 0.99

00:44:34.000 Because of the unequal application of justice and power. 0.95

00:44:38.000 This is a young white man who might have done something foolish for two seconds, might have been under the under the influence of alcohol. 0.96

00:44:45.000 Who knows? 0.99

00:44:45.000 He's a frat boy. 0.99

00:44:47.000 Issue an apology, move on. 1.00

00:44:50.000 If he actually did the worst thing, the worst possible interpretation is like, okay, he was being a jerk. 0.99

00:44:56.000 But to the left, he's a young white man. 1.00

00:45:01.000 So it's worth destroying his life. 0.97

00:45:03.000 Here's cut 32.

00:45:04.000 Same guy offering Lizzo $100 to do a single push-up.

00:45:07.000 Play Cut 32.

00:45:19.000 I love that these frat boys, that's not the same guy, by the way, different guy.

00:45:23.000 I love that these frat boys went into the streets and challenged these maniacs.

00:45:26.000 It's about time.

00:45:26.000 It's about time the masculine energy in this country is ascendant.

00:45:29.000 I'm not defending what this kid allegedly did.

00:45:31.000 I am defending young men holding up old glory, getting out there in the streets and saying, we're not going to take this anymore.

00:45:40.000 Not violently, but saying, you know what?

00:45:41.000 We're not going to allow you to take over this campus in Oxford, Mississippi.

00:45:45.000 And they're trying to destroy the rise of the frat boys.

00:45:48.000 They're trying to destroy the rise of the masculine energy.

00:45:53.000 They want young men to be watching pornography sitting at home smoking weed.

00:45:59.000 Young men are tired of being treated like murderers while the left treats murderers like heroes.

00:46:05.000 For every young men out there, every young man out there, and every young white man in particular, I hope you're watching carefully. 0.99

00:46:12.000 They want you dead. 0.99

00:46:14.000 They want your entire life to be obliterated. 1.00

00:46:19.000 Remember that in November.

00:46:20.000 Fill in your ballot and chase your friends and send them a message.

00:46:24.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:46:25.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:46:27.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 06, 2024

The Uniparty Alliance Against Speech with Glenn Greenwald

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