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00:03:22.000But why is the federal government sprinting to try to create more speech restrictions and to give money to a bureaucratic leviathan to restrict our freedoms and liberties?
00:03:40.000Yeah, so obviously, if you believe in free speech, it necessarily means you defend views not only that you dislike, but often find repellent.
00:03:47.000Obviously, a big free speech controversy over the past decade has been attempts to silence or control speech in the name of stopping racism or xenophobia or Islamophobia or misogyny, whatever.
00:03:59.000Nobody has to say they like those things in order to object to the censorship efforts.
00:04:03.000And the same is true with anti-Semitism.
00:04:05.000The problem of what just happened in the House was just to focus narrowly on what they actually did was there's federal anti-discrimination law that applies to places like educational institutions and public accommodations where anti-discrimination is prohibited.
00:04:22.000And anti-Semitism is already part of the body of discrimination that is already prohibited.
00:04:28.000What the House just did was that they adopted this massively expansive definition of anti-Semitism that places in Europe and that Israel has been advocating for a long time.
00:04:38.000And within this definition are examples of the kind of anti-Semitism that is now prohibited.
00:04:44.000And they incorporated not only this expanded definition into federal law, but also the examples themselves.
00:04:49.000What the law says explicitly, we're incorporating not just the definition, but the examples.
00:04:53.000And some of the examples are things like saying that a particular Jewish individual seems to have more loyalty to Israel than they do to the United States, criticizing Israel in a way that seems to impose on them double standards, meaning you're criticizing them in a way that you don't criticize other democratic states.
00:05:10.000It prohibits you from saying that you think Jewish people are responsible for the death of Jesus.
00:05:15.000It prohibits you from comparing the behavior of the Israeli state to some of the war crimes or crimes against humanity committed by Nazis.
00:05:24.000Now, a lot of these views might be repellent, but they are absolutely within the realm of free speech to say any of those things.
00:05:30.000And the thing that's most disturbing is that you're allowed to do it about any other kind of person.
00:05:35.000You're allowed to say, for example, that, oh, those evangelicals over there seem to prioritize Israeli interests over American interests.
00:05:43.000You can criticize other countries in any way you want, including with double standards.
00:05:47.000The one thing you cannot do is say this expresses opinion about any individual who's Jewish or about the state of Israel in particular.
00:05:54.000And that's why it's such a direct attack on First Amendment free speech rights.
00:05:58.000And that's for the reason why, I mean, I don't think it's controversial to say that DC is run by a lot of very well-organized and well-financed lobbies.
00:06:06.000You have Planned Parenthood and the NRA and, you know, big tech and Wall Street and pharmaceutical companies.
00:06:12.000And the pro-Israel lobby is a major force in Washington.
00:06:16.000But then you also have people in Congress who, for various religious or cultural reasons, really do love the state of Israel.
00:06:22.000And then you also have people who believe it's an important component of our national security, which is fine to think all those things, but that doesn't justify assaults on the free speech rights of Americans to protect this foreign country.
00:06:34.000No, and it certainly doesn't, it doesn't support trying to loop in criticism of the bill as if you're in favor of anti-Semitism.
00:06:40.000There's a whole other wrinkle to this, which is if you're against the bill, sometimes you want more anti-Semitism to occur.
00:06:45.000So, Glenn, I want to highlight this, though.
00:06:48.000Speaker Johnson bypassed the committee process.
00:06:51.000So, typically, these things get marked up in a committee.
00:06:54.000This was thrown onto the floor bypassing a promise that he made that everyone would have 72 hours to read the bill.
00:07:01.000This is while all the campus protests that are happening, the vast majority of which is constitutionally protected speech.
00:07:07.000Glenn, can you go deeper into kind of the pressure campaign where it seems DC can only agree on a couple things: spying on America, borrowing money we don't have, restricting speech, and financing wars that don't matter.
00:07:21.000First of all, let's go back to when the members of the House of Representatives who successfully removed Kevin McCarthy from the speakership.
00:07:29.000Well, actually, first they refused to put him as speaker until he granted a variety of concessions that even a lot of Democrats admitted were necessary reforms of the House because Nancy Pelosi before Kevin McCarthy, even Paul Ryan, before him, and now Speaker McCarthy had consolidated so much power in House leadership and in the speakership position that basically the rest of the House were just decorative.
00:07:51.000They were just kind of there and had no power whatsoever.
00:07:54.000And obviously, that's not the way the House is supposed to work.
00:07:56.000So they demanded all these reforms to ensure that the speaker couldn't control everything, that members of Congress, as you say, had the right to read things, have the right to pass things through committee, had the right to control what gets to the House floor.
00:08:08.000Mike Johnson, even after he watched Kevin McCarthy get deposed for violating all those, he made those promises again.
00:08:14.000He is now systematically violating almost every one of them because he knows that the Republicans cannot remove him because the Democrats have promised that as long as he serves their agenda, which he has done very faithfully, including reversing his long held positions to do so, like opposition to more funding for the war in Ukraine, keeping that horrific war going.
00:08:35.000He was on my show where he talked about the evils of war and this eavesdropping and said, we will never renew FISA without reforms.
00:08:42.000He then led the way to renew FISA without reforms at the behest of the CIA and the Biden White House.
00:08:47.000He swore that the FBI does not deserve a brand new federal headquarters building by spending $9 billion to build it.
00:08:53.000That was one of his main complaints about the FBI.
00:08:56.000And then he oversaw the appropriation of that money.
00:08:59.000So he has the protection of the Democratic Party, as long as he does their bidding to do anything he wants.
00:09:04.000So he can ignore all those promises he made to the dissatisfied members of the more populist wing of the Republican Party because he has the protection of Hakeem Jeffries and MC Pelosi and the rest of them.
00:09:14.000So to take this bill and throw it onto the House floor, and there were, you know, overwhelming support in both political parties.
00:09:22.000There were only 21 Republicans who voted no, 70 Democrats who voted no.
00:09:26.000So overwhelmingly, both caucuses agreed.
00:09:28.000It's because they see this political opportunity to claim that there's rampant anti-Semitism in the United States, that Jewish students are being endangered, creating a kind of moral panic that we've had about racial minorities or trans people, that they're subject to hate speech that might incite violence or a genocide against them.
00:09:45.000And therefore, we need to control speech.
00:09:47.000It's the same mentality, just directed to a different minority group.
00:09:50.000And there's obviously a lot of political benefit to doing this among powerful groups.
00:09:54.000And therefore, neither political party wanted to get on the wrong side of that.
00:09:57.000So wait, Mike Johnson went on your show trying to brag about, is that, did I hear that correctly that he spoke to you about FISA protections?
00:11:21.000They like bring these people into the bowels of American power, you know, the situation room, the like blinking NSA room, and they have people with medals on their chest, very powerful people come and treat them like dignitaries and say, you're in real power now.
00:11:34.000And that means being responsible and understanding our need to spy on Americans without warrants.
00:11:39.000And they know that that power that they now have, this kind of prestige getting into the inner circle is dependent upon them serving an agenda that they had long said they opposed.
00:11:48.000And human nature craves power and they're willing to make those compromises to do it.
00:11:51.000I think that it's that more than anything else.
00:11:53.000So Glenn, let me ask you, I want to dive into this.
00:11:56.000Can you talk about this kind of these shows that the Intel agencies put on in these skiffs?
00:12:02.000I think this is really important, where no phone, no staff.
00:12:06.000We kind of call this the woo-woo show, where they kind of show you a lot, but it's like half truths and half lies.
00:12:13.000From all of your excellent reporting that you've done, what happens in these skiffs?
00:12:18.000And how could Mike Johnson go from a fire-breathing Fourth Amendment advocate on the Glenn Greenwald show to a capitulating Bush-Cheney spy on everything that moves hack?
00:12:32.000Yeah, I remember when we were doing the Snowden reporting, which went on for two and a half years, and it was, we were able to show that the NSA in secret, even unbeknownst to most members of Congress, had converted the internet into a range of mass domestic warrantless surveillance directed not just at foreign populations, but the American population as well.
00:13:11.000You know, people get enamored of them, thinking like this is some kind of futuristic world.
00:13:14.000And they're so grateful to be let into the inner sanctum.
00:13:17.000Even though if you look at the 60 Minutes report, it was just so funny because these were just conference rooms, like with nothing in them.
00:13:23.000But because they were presented as like the secret spaces where super important thing happens, where we see like the situation room, people feel good.
00:13:30.000They feel like important getting access to those, you know, and think about how Mike Johnson is being treated like, I mean, he's flirting line to the presidency now.
00:13:38.000You think he wants to go back to the back benches of Congress?
00:13:41.000So he's obviously willing to do anything.
00:13:44.000And, you know, even though we're very critical, a lot of us are, about the security state agencies, there's also part of our brain that has been inculcated for a long time with the image that, you know, what happens in the CIA, what happens in the NSA, and the FBI is super sophisticated, the most highly secretive stuff, you know, and important stuff that sometimes actually does catch criminals or terrorists or protects the country.
00:14:07.000And I think even for people who are critical of those agencies, once they're embraced by them and once they get welcomed in and presented with like top secret, super secret documents, they really get hypnotized by it.
00:14:20.000I remember when Obama ran for president in 2008, he presented himself.
00:14:24.000Americans had turned against the excess of the war on terror.
00:14:26.000He promised to uproot all these neocon and Bush-Cheney domestic abridgments of civil liberties in the name of war on terror.
00:14:32.000And he gets into office and within two months, you know, he's in love with David Petraeus and he has all these like Princeton and Harvard educated generals in his office.
00:15:13.000And the Obama one is perfect because even more than Mike Johnson, a lot of his support back in 07, 08, I'm going to close down Gitmo.
00:15:21.000I'm going to give people a lot of time to read bills.
00:15:23.000You know, it's out of control what Bush Cheney has done.
00:15:26.000And I think that McCain was going to lose no matter what.
00:15:28.000I think it was just an Obama wave year.
00:15:30.000But the margins of power, I think a lot of people said, hey, I think he had a lot of cultural libertarians that voted for him, a lot of privacy security concerns, people that were concerned about privacy behind him, his support.
00:16:00.000When I say only, trust me, they are the only one.
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00:17:36.000I really got a hard lesson in how DC works because when we first did the reporting, especially what people were most shocked by was the fact that the U.S. security state had been turned inward on the domestic population.
00:17:47.000The whole idea, if you go back to the National Security Act of 1947, the kind of legislative framework that created the deep state in the name of fighting communism first and then terrorism once communism fell in the Soviet Union, was that the kind of ultimate taboo was that this machinery would be directed inward toward the American population or American soil and be involved in our domestic politics.
00:18:08.000It was always supposed to be, it was going to only be directed at foreign adversaries.
00:18:12.000And you had a lot of people inside the U.S. security state, especially after 9-11, like William Benney and ultimately Edward Snowden and others who became whistleblowers, who were very dissatisfied and angry that what they had been taught to expect from these institutions that they had devoted their lives to was being violated systematically.
00:18:29.000And when we did this reporting, there was a bipartisan bill sponsored by this newly elected Tea Party right-wing congressman, Justin Amash from Michigan, who co-sponsored it with this old African-American civil libertarian liberal, John Conyers.
00:18:44.000And the union of those two signified this emerging bipartisan consensus that for the first time since 9-11, we need to start to roll back some of these powers, things that got invested in the Patriot Act, in domestic spying, the FISA Acts of 2008.
00:18:58.000And it really looked like it was going to succeed.
00:19:01.000And it was the Obama White House that called Nancy Pelosi and said, you need to do whatever you need to do.
00:19:07.000Call in every favor, make every threat to get this bill stopped.
00:19:10.000It failed by a vote, about six votes as a margin.
00:19:13.000And there is an article, you can Google it in Foreign Policy Magazine, obviously an institutional journal, where the headline is how Nancy Pelosi saved the NSA.
00:19:22.000These, and that is why, you know, I've been so fascinated for so long by this like potential to unify people on the left and right around these populist issues, around the opposition to the U.S. security state, because there's always been a long time strain in right-wing politics that has been very suspicious of the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, all those federal agencies.
00:19:42.000Obviously, there's been a strain of that on the left.
00:19:44.000The problem is that establishment forces still prevail, even with the rise of all this populism.
00:19:49.000And until that changes, it's going to be very hard to combat.
00:19:52.000Yeah, what I will say, though, is that the people are with us and that the everyday rank and file American does want to restrain the Leviathan and does want to try to have a check and balance on their power.
00:20:05.000And this is why we're trying our best to reform the Republican Party.
00:20:08.000And I want to just have you comment on that, Glenn, because if, you know, like rewind seven years ago, us having a dialogue would like shock people.
00:20:15.000Now it's like, oh, yeah, it kind of makes sense.
00:20:17.000I'm kind of more of that populist right.
00:20:20.000I don't like the fact they're spying on us.
00:20:21.000I agree with you completely on the privacy issues, on the war issues.
00:20:25.000Do you think that, and just looking at this as a journalist analytically, in the Democrat Party, it feels as if that the voice of privacy concerns has been muted, if not stifled, where on the right, it certainly is ascendant.
00:20:40.000And just looking at the vote tally, more Republicans voted for warrant requirements than even Democrats did.
00:20:48.000Oh, there's no question that Donald Trump transformed right-wing politics in very positive ways, including creating this massive space to not just begin questioning the U.S. security state, but to be aggressively critiquing it.
00:21:01.000Obviously, they tried to sabotage not just his presidency, but first his campaign.
00:21:05.000I mean, the Rushgate fraud emanated from the bowels of the CIA and FBI.
00:21:09.000They were just constantly, you know, passing anonymous falsehoods to the New York Times and the Washington Post that showered themselves with polluters for reporting it.
00:21:18.000Remember during the 2016 campaign that an FBI lawyer illegally lied to the FISA court to get warrants to spy on Carter Page, and he ended up having to plead guilty and then leave the FBI because of it.
00:21:30.000The way it's always worked is there's been a massive opposition and skepticism toward the U.S. security state in left liberal politics and strains of it in right-wing politics.
00:21:44.000Ron Paul did way better than anyone thought in the 2008, 2012 elections, going into deep red districts and ranting about the evils of these institutions and the neoconservative ideology in general.
00:21:56.000They needed like a very charismatic figure.
00:21:58.000Ron Paul wasn't charismatic, as great as he often was, but he has exploded it.
00:22:03.000And now at the same time, because liberals in the United States monomaniacally only think about Trump, everything is through the prism of Trump, watching there be growing skepticism toward these agencies.
00:22:13.000And the Republican Party had the opposite effect of massively increasing support for and trust in these agencies because they began perceiving these agencies, the CIA, the NSA, the FBI, Homeland Security, correctly as political allies.
00:22:27.000These last couple of weeks could be a masterclass, Glenn, of anybody who is trying to understand American politics, where in the last couple of weeks, the U.S. Congress has reauthorized FISA, obliterating the Fourth Amendment.
00:22:38.000They passed this anti-Semitism bill, which is just awful, trying to restrict speech, the First Amendment, and then $100 billion in foreign funding of war.
00:22:48.000And I really want to spend a good amount of time on this, Glenn, which is the proliferation of the war machine and the further funding of it has weakened American, not just American fiscal strength, but it's also, Jeff, it's destabilized regions around the world.
00:23:08.000What do you make of the continual push for Ukraine funding despite any sort of any sort of victory in sight, whatever that might be?
00:23:18.000We see leader after leader say that the funding of the Ukraine war is the most important thing happening in the world.
00:23:28.000It seems as if that agreement, not disagreement, is actually the center of power in Washington, D.C. Agreement on financing the war machine.
00:23:38.000Yeah, so let me just go back quickly to President Obama because at least in foreign policy, the people he really revered were these kind of like realists who were in the first Bush presidency, like James Baker and Brett Scowcroft.
00:23:50.000Eventually, Obama started thinking about the world through that lens.
00:23:52.000And one of the things he was attacked for by the kind of national security hawks in both the Democrat and Republican Party was his refusal to confront Russia over Syria and Ukraine.
00:24:03.000Ukraine is always going to be a vital interest to Russia because it's right on the most sensitive part of their border.
00:24:08.000Ukraine is never going to be a vital interest to the United States.
00:24:11.000And of course, we're not going to risk confrontation with a nuclear armed power over who rules various provinces in eastern Ukraine.
00:24:18.000And he didn't want to send arms to Ukraine, lethal arms, so as to not provoke the Russians.
00:24:22.000And he was attacked by Mark Rubio and John McCain, Joe Lieberman, all those kind of people.
00:24:27.000What changed, Charlie, was that in 2016, when the most cataclysmic event ever happened for American liberals, which was the defeat of Hillary Clinton by Donald Trump, they needed some way to explain this.
00:24:37.000Like, how do you explain something so terrible could happen in their minds?
00:24:43.000They decided to claim there were a lot of villains, but principally it was Vladimir Putin, whose interference in the 2016 election, so goes this fairy tale, elected Donald Trump.
00:24:52.000And ever since then, the Democratic Party has viewed Russia as their mortal enemy, purely for reasons of domestic politics.
00:24:59.000They think that they're the reason that they that Trump got elected.
00:25:13.000You join them with the standard Republican Party warmongers and national security hawks who occupy a lot of these critical committees.
00:25:19.000And you have a huge majority of members of Congress who want to fuel this war, even though Ukraine has no chance of winning.
00:25:25.000They're fighting with an involuntary conscript army of people who know they're being sent as carrot cannon fodder.
00:25:29.000And the only people who are profiting are corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs close to Zelensky and the arms industry in the United States, as well as the U.S. security state that always gets more power with more war.
00:25:40.000But those are the people who ultimately run Washington because you look at polls, as you say, and people universally say, we want to stop being the police of the world.
00:25:48.000We don't want to be involved in more foreign wars.
00:26:25.000So when you send, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars and just drown Kiev with that amount of money.
00:26:31.000And by the way, there's no safeguards on it.
00:26:33.000Rand Paul, one time or twice, proposed an amendment, just put an inspector general like we did in Afghanistan, where they found billions of dollars in fraud.
00:26:41.000He got accused by Mitch McConnell of being a Kremlin agent for wanting that.
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00:28:28.000The McCain Institute is really kind of the uniparty center of power.
00:28:33.000And if you go look through the speakers from George Soros Open Society Foundation to, you know, Uniparty senators in the Republican and the Democrat Party, they had a breakout.
00:28:41.000You'll love this, Glenn, which is how to survive America first.
00:28:46.000As if, you know, we must get over this chapter of people that actually want to put the nation state first.
00:28:50.000This one piece of tape, though, is remarkable, which is about that Mitt Romney says we must ban TikTok because people are learning the truth about the Israeli Hamas war on TikTok.
00:29:17.000Yeah, a small parenthetical point, which is some wonder why there was such overwhelming support for us to shut down potentially TikTok or other entities of that nature.
00:29:27.000If you look at the postings on TikTok and the number of mentions of Palestinians relative to other social media sites, it's overwhelmingly so among TikTok broadcasts.
00:29:39.000So I'd note that's of real interest, and the president will get the chance to make action in that regard.
00:29:47.000So what he's saying here, Glenn, is that on the Israel-Hamas issue, one of the reasons they wanted to ban TikTok is to censor war footage.
00:30:00.000So this bill to ban TikTok has been lurking in Washington for years now, and it didn't get anywhere close to commanding a majority of members of Congress because it's a very extreme measure to take to ban an app that a third of Americans voluntarily choose to use.
00:30:16.000Even if you're somebody who is very hawkish against China, first of all, our policies of funding foreign wars have been better for China than anything.
00:30:22.000They go around the world exploiting this resentment against the United States for fueling wars everywhere.
00:30:29.000But the other point is the fear of China wasn't enough to get the TikTok ban passed.
00:30:34.000If you go and look at every major news report and the statements of the main sponsors of this bill, what they will tell you is the same thing Mitt Romney said: that what finally got Congress willing to embrace such an extreme bill was that they were concerned that there was too much Israel criticism circulating on TikTok.
00:30:52.000In other words, that there was too much pro-Palestinian activism being allowed on the platform that they weren't censoring enough.
00:30:58.000And that is the reason why they finally decided to either force the sale of TikTok to a company that the U.S. government can more directly influence and control for content moderation decisions like they do at Facebook and Google, or to ban the app altogether.
00:31:11.000And as you say, even if you're adamantly pro-Israel and want the U.S. financing all their wars and their military or whatever, this is about free speech in the United States.
00:31:19.000This is about the idea that if a platform doesn't censor enough of the views of American citizens, even young leftists are still American citizens under the Constitution, that that platform should be banned.
00:31:30.000And I think that's what's so disturbing.
00:31:32.000And by the way, let me just say one more thing about the McCain Institute.
00:31:34.000We once did a report about who funds the McCain Institute.
00:31:50.000Donald Trump just broke so many of these people because now the McCain Institute unabashedly has presenters from the Open Society Foundation.
00:31:59.000I mean, you know, George Soros's presenters are allowed on stage where before they would try to hide it.
00:32:03.000Now they have Democrats and Republicans speaking at this McCain Institute Sedona forum.
00:32:08.000But again, the disagreements they have are not actually over anything necessarily consequential.
00:32:15.000You have here Senator Bill Cassidy, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse.
00:32:19.000You know, you have Admiral Linda Fagan from the Coast Guard.
00:32:22.000You have all the warmongers and senators where outside of the populist right with like Josh Hawley, Rand Paul, and maybe a couple other voices, JD Vance, and a couple people on the left, which in the Senate is even less, that the Washington, D.C. is fenced in around a complete agreement for what exactly.
00:32:42.000How would you then describe that, Glenn, to someone who is not as political?
00:32:46.000Invade the world, invite the world, neocon politics.
00:32:50.000What does their vision of success look like for someone that is still trying to understand and comprehend this?
00:32:56.000Yeah, I think the main ideology is one of warmongering, of interference militarily in foreign countries, of fueling financial wars, foreign wars.
00:33:05.000Obviously, what defined John McCain's foreign policy was that he never saw a proposed war that he was opposed to.
00:33:11.000He wanted to go in everywhere, not just invading Iraq and Afghanistan and bombing a bunch of Muslim countries, but also regime change in Syria, regime change in Libya.
00:33:21.000He went to Kiev with Christopher Murphy, the Democratic senator from Connecticut.
00:33:34.000And Victoria Newland also went with them.
00:33:35.000She handed out like bakery goods, which I'm sure she always keeps in her purse, like donuts and whatever.
00:33:40.000She shared some of them probably reluctantly with the protesters.
00:33:43.000But they had a huge bipartisan showing, like, why do we care so much about who's governing Ukraine?
00:33:48.000That was when the Democratic elected president of Ukraine was removed.
00:33:50.000So that's what John McCain always stood for, which is very aggressive interventionist foreign policy, not just to defend American borders, but to interfere in other countries, changing their government.
00:34:00.000And his main ally was Joe Lieberman, who in 2000 was Al Gore's running mate to be the Democratic nominee for vice president.
00:34:07.000So you constantly hear, Charlie, you know, in the media, oh, the two parties are so radically different.
00:34:14.000The reality is they agree on most consequential things.
00:34:17.000They disagree on culture war issues, a couple of other kind of ancillary issues.
00:34:21.000But by and large, far more is done in Washington on a fully bipartisan basis.
00:34:26.000And I think the foreign policy, the reason John McCain is such a worship figure, and George Soros' son, Alex, was present at that conference as well, unsurprisingly, is because the two parties, the establishment wings, share that view of foreign policy that we should be always engaged in war, always financing wars, always intervening in other countries.
00:34:46.000And this more than anything, like I said, is what's helping China.
00:34:48.000That's why there's so many countries going toward China because they exploit the narrative.
00:34:52.000Look, when America runs the world, they bomb you, they invade you, they engineer coups.
00:34:57.000We're just here to do business with you.
00:35:00.000I mean, look at the foreign policy project.
00:35:02.000I mean, I'm not a China fan at all, actually, but look at our foreign policy portfolio over the last 10 years, displaced Qaddafi, made ruin of Syria.
00:35:11.000Look what's happened with Ukraine and Russia.
00:35:13.000We can't keep the Middle East in order.
00:35:15.000I mean, the military-industrial complex has broken more countries than we can even name off the top of our head.
00:35:48.000It is time for them to pay a heavier price.
00:35:51.000I mean, I want people to imagine a bunch of Russian senators going to Mexico City and saying that to us, Glenn.
00:35:57.000Yeah, or in 2014, there was basically a coup against the Ukrainian president who was democratically acted another year of his term constitutionally.
00:36:06.000They financed huge numbers of armed militias to go outside the presidential palace and one American official after the next.
00:36:12.000And both parties came and encouraged those protesters.
00:36:15.000So imagine if there were armed militias funded by a foreign government outside the White House and then you had Russian senators or Chinese officials coming there and encouraging them, you know, promising aid to them, telling them to keep going, handing out food to them.
00:36:30.000Imagine the level of interference that that would be viewed as.
00:36:34.000And that's what the United States was doing in Ukraine.
00:36:36.000And so this idea like, hey, why did the Russians consider what we were doing in Ukraine to be such a provocative presence?
00:36:42.000Obviously, if you had the Russians or the Chinese, as you said, in Mexico City for more than a decade interfering in their internal politics, financing their military, giving them lethal arms, encouraging them to attack the United States, we would consider that a pretty grave threat as well.
00:36:55.000We almost had a nuclear war when the Soviets, at the Cuban government's request, put nuclear weapons in Cuba.
00:37:02.000So obviously, we know how we would see it.
00:37:04.000And it was very predictable that that would provoke a Russian invasion of Ukraine.
00:37:08.000Top officials in the United States have been born that for years.
00:37:12.000And if you interfere too much in Ukraine, it's going to force the Russians into Crimea and eastern Ukraine.
00:37:18.000Either they ignored it or they wanted it.
00:37:20.000And now we have this war funded by the John McCain of the world, the Joe Liebermans of the world, the Lindsey Grahams of the world, and it's completely bipartisan.
00:37:28.000In closing here, Glenn, I know you got a dash.
00:37:30.000Plug your show, please, and the important work you're doing.
00:37:32.000And second, I asked this question of our guests recently.
00:37:35.000What are you seeing that gives you hope?
00:37:47.000And as far as what gives me hope, it actually is that there is a growing sentiment in right-wing populist politics that had for a long time been primarily the province of left-wing politics that identifies these institutions as the enemies of the American population and this neocon ideology as the enemy of the American population, where it wasn't really there before.
00:38:08.000I think Donald Trump is primarily responsible for that.
00:38:10.000This ability to come together as people across partisan ideological lines is what ultimately we need to do.
00:41:12.000Why are young men trending conservative?
00:41:16.000Well, there's this scandal out of Oxford, Mississippi.
00:41:21.000So there was a scandal over the weekend, allegedly, and it really has the media upset and even some weak-kneed conservatives running for the Hills.
00:41:28.000There's this ultra-viral clip of a morbidly obese anti-Israel protester facing a group of frat bros who were counter-protesting and they were mocking her, mostly because she makes Lizzo look skinny.
00:41:41.000One of those protesters in a short clip is seen allegedly making King Kong type noises at the woman.
00:41:48.000This somehow is a huge story, bigger than the southern border, clipping on all this.
00:42:12.000So I'm not even convinced that guy at the end is actually doing what they say he's doing.
00:42:17.000And there you have Michael Orr, who is being held back by the university police.
00:42:25.000And now Ole Miss is launching this massive probe into the guy that you saw for two seconds at the end of the clip in a baby blue collared shirt on racism.
00:42:37.000You see, we called this on thought crime last week.
00:42:39.000Remember, I said, how long until they play offense against the frat boys?
00:42:58.000How many people have been disavowed over, I don't know, the encampments where you guys have set up yourselves on campuses across the country.
00:44:21.000They want you to think that a young man making noises for a few seconds on a college campus is bigger than the violent crimes and mayhem the left-wing rioters commit every day.