The Charlie Kirk Show - July 17, 2021


The Vaccine Message Joe Biden Doesn't Want You To Hear—With Congressman Chip Roy


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Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) joins Charlie Kirk on the Charlie Kirk Show to speak against mandatory vaccines and the use of government handouts to fight against childhood vaccines. He explains why he thinks the government should not have a say in whether or not to give our kids the flu vaccine.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
00:00:01.000 Happy weekend.
00:00:03.000 I don't know when you're listening to this, but I hope you're having a great weekend.
00:00:06.000 And on our show today, we have Congressman Chip Roy, who is speaking out rather courageously against mandatory vaccines about the fourth branch of government and the weaponization of our health agencies.
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00:02:22.000 Hey, everybody.
00:02:23.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:25.000 With us today is Congressman Chip Roy.
00:02:27.000 Congressman, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:29.000 I saw you on Tucker Carlson recently, and I loved what you were saying.
00:02:34.000 And you and I were texting back and forth afterwards.
00:02:37.000 And I wanted to dive deeper into it.
00:02:39.000 Floor is yours.
00:02:40.000 Talk about the vaccine, the mandates behind it, and then we'll go from there.
00:02:44.000 Yeah, Charlie, well, great, obviously, to be on the show.
00:02:46.000 Thanks for coming to the district I represent, Texas 21, not long ago in Bandera, Texas.
00:02:51.000 The folks there still talk about that visit.
00:02:53.000 So thanks for doing it.
00:02:54.000 And last night I went on Tucker because I've been hitting this pretty hard in social media about the vaccine.
00:03:01.000 And what I said last night, which you heard, which may have sounded a little too pro-vaccine, to be honest with you, was that I am for vaccines if you're informed and you think it's good and it's good for you and it's good for your family.
00:03:13.000 My dad had polio, as I said on Tucker's show.
00:03:16.000 I watched his body being ravaged by polio over his whole life.
00:03:19.000 I'm glad that I could avail myself of a polio vaccine and so could my kids.
00:03:23.000 But we're looking at this vaccine.
00:03:25.000 It is not FDA approved.
00:03:26.000 It's been pushed out there on an emergency basis.
00:03:29.000 People are looking at information.
00:03:30.000 They're trying to decide what's good for them and their families.
00:03:33.000 There's very legitimate questions about the impact on young women and whether or not it aggregates around the ovaries of young girls.
00:03:39.000 There's a study this week about the Johnson Johnson virus, about the neurological impacts.
00:03:45.000 We know that there's been myocardia and other heart issues where we've seen with young people.
00:03:50.000 Why are we trying to shove this into children when the risk to children of the virus is probably much less than the risk of taking the vaccine if you're under 12 or even under 18?
00:04:00.000 Look at the data.
00:04:01.000 Look at the truth.
00:04:02.000 And what I went on Tucker last night to talk about, Charlie, and I think you and I agree with this completely, is we should not be having the federal government mandating that we have to take a vaccine when, in fact, we are capable of making decisions based on the information if we can have the honest truth.
00:04:16.000 A few other questions.
00:04:18.000 How much money are these massive pharmaceutical companies going to make with pushing this virus out?
00:04:24.000 And oh, by the way, now they're talking about boosters.
00:04:26.000 Now they're talking about the second round.
00:04:28.000 Why is it that we've now had 57% of kids over the age of 12 get vaccinated?
00:04:34.000 Do you really think a 13, 14, 15, 16-year-old is in such danger?
00:04:38.000 You've got to race down and get them vaccinated.
00:04:40.000 That's in significant part because of the pressure Democrats have been putting on people to say, you must go get vaccinated.
00:04:45.000 So that's what I was going on, Tucker, to talk about and happy to get any more details.
00:04:49.000 Yes.
00:04:49.000 So I want to get into that.
00:04:51.000 And for a variety of different reasons, and the polio vaccine was a major breakthrough scientifically of inoculation.
00:04:57.000 And Jonas Salk deserve a lot of credit with that.
00:05:00.000 And then we've gotten into this period, though, where we now have a huge, mass amount of vaccines for children, 72 plus.
00:05:07.000 That's a different topic for a different time.
00:05:09.000 But right now, this specific vaccine has emergency use authorization and has not gone through the same multi-year clinical trials, obviously, because it's been kind of pushed into the forefront of this.
00:05:24.000 And if you're 75 years old and you have cormorbidities, taking this vaccine might be the right choice.
00:05:30.000 It might be because, you know, COVID poses a huge threat to you potentially.
00:05:35.000 Where you're 19 years old, not as much.
00:05:38.000 And so, so, Congressman, can you zero in?
00:05:41.000 Maybe I'm missing something.
00:05:43.000 Why is it that they're trying to now forcibly vaccinate teenagers and children?
00:05:50.000 What could the possible explanation for that be?
00:05:53.000 Well, this is all about power.
00:05:56.000 And it's all about Democrats wanting to project power and then use this virus as an excuse to force more of us into their government-controlled healthcare system.
00:06:05.000 And that's the truth and beyond healthcare.
00:06:07.000 It's just, it's all about control.
00:06:09.000 And that's evident in how they're reacting to it, right?
00:06:12.000 Like the quote from HHS Secretary Becerra, right?
00:06:15.000 We're spending lots of money on this virus.
00:06:18.000 Therefore, we, the government, the federal government, have a right to know whether you've been vaccinated.
00:06:23.000 Now, think about that for a second.
00:06:24.000 Just pause.
00:06:25.000 This is America, right?
00:06:27.000 We're all going around, well, not all of us.
00:06:29.000 Some of us are applauding the people on the streets in Cuba and saying we should stand with them.
00:06:34.000 But wait, hold on a second.
00:06:35.000 Why are we doing that?
00:06:36.000 Because we believe in freedom.
00:06:38.000 But are we actually free in this country?
00:06:40.000 Truly, Charlie, I mean, it's a question.
00:06:41.000 Are we actually free when you've got the federal government, officials of the federal government saying they have a right to know whether or not you've been vaccinated because they in their infinite wisdom are spending trillions of dollars shutting down our economy, shutting down small businesses, forcing our kids to wear masks, closing our schools down?
00:07:00.000 Like you can tell, I've got a palm tree behind me.
00:07:02.000 I'm in South Carolina on vacation with some longtime friends of mine.
00:07:05.000 I've been for 30 years.
00:07:06.000 I went to a restaurant in New Orleans on the way, Mothers, right? 0.94
00:07:09.000 It's a famous place, Po Boys, you know, near the French quarter.
00:07:13.000 I went to a famous restaurant in Charleston last night.
00:07:16.000 I went to a place on Hilton Head Island just this afternoon for lunch.
00:07:20.000 Every one of those restaurants, I talked to the owners and every one of them talked about how they're getting decimated, destroyed by the Democrats' plan, by what they're doing by paying people not to work.
00:07:30.000 Now, that's a different subject for a different podcast, but it's related.
00:07:34.000 It's related to your question.
00:07:36.000 The Democrats are using the power of government to interfere with every aspect of your life, and it's about control.
00:07:42.000 You said another thing about the vaccines that I think merits a little bit more exploration.
00:07:47.000 On my way here, we stopped in Auburn, Alabama, where my very dear friend and Senator Cruz's former legislative director, she suffers from multiple sclerosis.
00:07:56.000 She has two children that have some health issues I don't get into out of her own privacy.
00:08:01.000 But she has been studying the impacts of multiple vaccinations and what that means for various illnesses that we're now seeing in a lot of children.
00:08:09.000 There's a lot of stuff we need to understand about vaccines and what it does to human beings, what it does to our children.
00:08:16.000 I'm for vaccines.
00:08:18.000 I'm for them when you're informed and you think the risks, you know, that the positives of the vaccines outweigh the risks of whatever you might get.
00:08:25.000 Polio is one of those for me.
00:08:27.000 There are questions even about the polio vaccine, but that was one of those for me that I was like, you know what?
00:08:27.000 Yes.
00:08:32.000 I saw what that does.
00:08:33.000 But all of these vaccines we take, and now they want to ram this down our throats after six months.
00:08:38.000 And by the way, who are you going to sue if everything goes south?
00:08:41.000 Because right now it's not the federal government and it's not the pharmaceutical companies because they're exempt because it's an emergency basis vaccine.
00:08:48.000 Are the feds telling you that?
00:08:49.000 No.
00:08:50.000 So that's such a good point.
00:08:52.000 And I want to kind of walk through that because you and I are both free market guys.
00:08:56.000 And most importantly, we're private property people.
00:09:00.000 And so one of the mechanisms that we have as consumers is that if a business does something awful, we can go to a court and we can adjudicate that, right?
00:09:11.000 That is a very simple market principle, right?
00:09:14.000 Where it's like a contract violation.
00:09:15.000 Like you said it was going to do this.
00:09:17.000 It actually did that.
00:09:19.000 How is it that we got to this place, Chip, where we now have these vaccine companies that we are not allowed to take them to court?
00:09:26.000 It's illegal.
00:09:27.000 Now, the argument was that, look, because the positives outweigh the negatives and we need mass inoculation.
00:09:32.000 This happened in the 70s or early 80s.
00:09:35.000 Do you think that needs to be re-looked at or kind of reconsidered?
00:09:39.000 Because you have these companies that are printing billions of dollars and they're completely immune to the risk.
00:09:46.000 Well, this is a great question.
00:09:47.000 And this would be a subject for an entire podcast itself, but I'm happy to.
00:09:51.000 You know, I was in the Attorney General's office in Texas.
00:09:55.000 I've dealt with some of these litigation questions when I was a lawyer for both Senator Cruz and Senator Cornyn in the Senate.
00:10:02.000 And it raises interesting issues.
00:10:04.000 Like right now, for example, there are complicated funds and avenues for liability that the federal government blesses when they do these vaccine trials and so forth.
00:10:16.000 But then there's the free market route, if you will.
00:10:19.000 Like you said, it says, okay, somebody wrongs me and I can go to court.
00:10:22.000 But then there's limitations on that.
00:10:24.000 And in this case, right now, we have a limitation on what you can do to go after any of these companies.
00:10:28.000 Why?
00:10:29.000 Because the federal government said, oh, hold on, we've got an emergency.
00:10:32.000 So we're going to say on an emergency basis, shove this vaccine out there.
00:10:35.000 Now, where's my recourse if the federal government is telling me you must be vaccinated?
00:10:40.000 Whether they do it by force of law or by shame, whether they empower the TSA to say you must be vaccinated to fly or they shame you into it or schools or your children must be vaccinated at schools.
00:10:51.000 All of those things shove people into get vaccinated.
00:10:53.000 Now, what happens if everything goes south?
00:10:55.000 What about the story I read the other day of a little boy who died from a myocardia issue, which I don't know for sure if it's a direct tie to the vaccine, but the parents say that they got a vaccine, their otherwise healthy kid, bam, died.
00:11:09.000 What do we do?
00:11:10.000 Who do we sue?
00:11:11.000 Look, that's, and that's an important thing.
00:11:13.000 As a free market conservative, Charlie, you know, I always remind my conservative friends when we did a whole bunch of liability, liability reform, right?
00:11:23.000 Tort reform 15, 20 years ago.
00:11:26.000 I'm for that because it was being abused by trial lawyers.
00:11:29.000 However, look, the system is you either let the system grind people out or you have massive regulation or you allow people to go to court and sue in order to be made whole.
00:11:40.000 And I don't ever want to take away the ability for me to be able to go to court and be made whole if I'm wrong, because that's an important part of letting the free market work.
00:11:48.000 Well, and I want to just, I just want to make sure we explain to our audience why that's important, because then it makes the producer more aware of the potential downside of not creating something that might be completely satisfactory to the recipient, right?
00:12:04.000 So, for example, if like McDonald's just had salmonella in every single one of their burgers and they were immune from salmonella lawsuits, they wouldn't inspect their meat as much, right?
00:12:14.000 So, because of that, they put in their own measures to make sure they're serving things correctly because they might get sued by some massive plaintiff law firm, which you and I have, you know, a very particular disdain for these creatures, but they serve up, they do serve a mechanism in the market, right?
00:12:32.000 And so, can you, can you build that out even more?
00:12:35.000 Yeah, let me give you a perfect example.
00:12:37.000 Asbestos, most people are familiar with the fact that we used asbestos in a lot of products.
00:12:42.000 It was a good product. 1.00
00:12:43.000 It was a fire retardant. 0.97
00:12:44.000 It was an insulator, and it helped a lot of people. 0.98
00:12:46.000 It saved lives.
00:12:47.000 It worked in submarines, all sorts of stuff.
00:12:49.000 Here's the problem.
00:12:50.000 We realized over time, when you get asbestos fibers in the air and you breathe them in, you get mesotheliomy or you get bad cancers.
00:12:58.000 So, what do you do about that?
00:12:59.000 Well, we were heading down the road and all of a sudden trial lawyers are going crazy.
00:13:03.000 They're suing everybody.
00:13:04.000 Well, that's fine when you're suing people who knew or should have known that they should have done something better.
00:13:09.000 They were aware and they kept producing it.
00:13:11.000 But then what happened was trial lawyers started abusing it.
00:13:14.000 They started claiming people were sick from mesothelioma who weren't.
00:13:17.000 It had nothing to do with asbestos.
00:13:19.000 So, we passed reform in Texas called a medical criteria bill, which made if you fit within the square of this medical criteria, you could go sue.
00:13:27.000 So, that tamped down the trial abuse, but it allowed you to be made whole.
00:13:31.000 At the same time, there was a federal effort to have a big $300 billion asbestos trust fund.
00:13:36.000 I mean, that was big in 2005.
00:13:38.000 Now, that's chunk change.
00:13:39.000 $300 billion asbestos trust fund.
00:13:42.000 It would have been horrible because the federal government would have been regulating it and killing it to death.
00:13:46.000 So, we were successful in killing that fund, but the medical criteria works in Texas.
00:13:51.000 And now you can be made whole.
00:13:52.000 And now you can hold these companies accountable, but now you don't enrich trial lawyers who are abusing the system like ambulance chasers.
00:13:59.000 That's what you want to work here.
00:14:01.000 You want to make sure that if you're going to go use this vaccine, because maybe you're 75 and you want to make sure you're okay because you think the risk is too high, or maybe you're a parent and you decide, you know, I'm on the line.
00:14:13.000 Like, Charlie, I'm 48.
00:14:15.000 I'm kind of on that line on the whole issue.
00:14:18.000 So, do you get the vaccine or not?
00:14:20.000 Don't get the vaccine if you're a 48-year-old male.
00:14:23.000 You want to take in all the information, but if they're doing something that's going to cause heart issues and we figure that out, then we want to be able to go sue them because they should have known or they knew or should have known.
00:14:34.000 And that's, I think, really important.
00:14:36.000 And right now, we're rushing this out there.
00:14:38.000 And I think the vast majority of Americans have no idea that they're kind of dangling with no avenue to go pursue if something's wrong with the vaccine.
00:14:46.000 And I just want to reiterate this, that this was a law passed by Congress that gave the pharmaceutical and vaccine manufacturers immunity.
00:14:54.000 Now, the way that they relieved the skeptics or the opponents is they said, we are going to have rigorous and peer-tested approvals of those vaccines so that the downsides will be very minimal, right?
00:15:08.000 That's how they kind of were able to satisfy both sides.
00:15:12.000 I still have problems with that.
00:15:13.000 So, Chip, can you help me understand?
00:15:17.000 And again, we get smeared as anti-vaxxers.
00:15:20.000 It's insane.
00:15:20.000 I'm nowhere near that.
00:15:22.000 I'm just simply asking questions.
00:15:24.000 And I'm just really curious, especially when our students at turning point are being forced to take this vaccine.
00:15:30.000 It's just, it's disgusting.
00:15:32.000 Why is it, Chip, that we're not allowed to ask questions about this?
00:15:34.000 Why is there an all-out massive propaganda campaign that personalizes this issue unlike anything I have experienced except the race issue? 0.73
00:15:45.000 You know, that's a great question that I think we need to fully explore, but that's definitively true. 0.98
00:15:50.000 I want to make sure listeners know your observation is definitively true.
00:15:54.000 We are not allowed to ask these questions.
00:15:56.000 If you ask these questions, I'm going to say by we, you and I are asking this question right now, and I'll be okay because I'm a member of Congress.
00:16:03.000 You've got a pretty good microphone and some power behind what you're doing.
00:16:06.000 But look, if you're the average person in a job, or if you're an average person out there who's just going through life and you ask that question about your students at school, and now all of a sudden your kids are going to get the scorn of the teachers' unions, all of a sudden, you're going to maybe get fired from your job because you dare ask the question about a vaccine.
00:16:23.000 That's what we mean.
00:16:24.000 That's what you and I mean.
00:16:25.000 I think.
00:16:26.000 I don't want to speak for you about when we say you can't dare ask these questions.
00:16:29.000 That's exactly what I mean.
00:16:31.000 Yeah, the average American getting rolled over by corporate cronyism and government.
00:16:35.000 If they dare say, hold on a second, I believe in vaccines, but I believe in vaccines that I've studied, read, understood.
00:16:41.000 I want to take care of my kids, my family.
00:16:43.000 I want to make an educated decision.
00:16:45.000 I'm going to take my time.
00:16:46.000 I'm going to do this on my schedule.
00:16:48.000 If you do that, then all of a sudden you're an anti-vaxxer.
00:16:50.000 All of a sudden, you don't care about everybody else.
00:16:52.000 But we've never done this for really any other illness, nothing like this.
00:16:56.000 And I understand we've had some mandates in the past for students in dorms, people in close proximity.
00:17:01.000 And I get that.
00:17:02.000 And there's a fine line here.
00:17:04.000 But right now, we're reacting within six months and saying, boom, go out and use the vaccine.
00:17:08.000 By the way, the people doing this are the same people who were mocking President Trump, mocking the previous administration for saying we're going to fast track and get a vaccine to market.
00:17:17.000 And they said, no, you're not.
00:17:18.000 Remember Kamala Harris saying, well, I would never advocate taking a vaccine that Donald Trump had anything to do with.
00:17:23.000 But here they are now saying you must take the vaccine.
00:17:27.000 You should be ashamed of yourselves.
00:17:28.000 Go look at my Twitter thread.
00:17:30.000 Invite all your listeners, go look at my Twitter thread from my Tucker appearance or from my tweets saying something about the virus.
00:17:36.000 And they all say, or the vaccine, and they all say, oh, you're a denier.
00:17:39.000 You're an anti-vaxxer.
00:17:40.000 You should be ashamed of yourselves. 1.00
00:17:42.000 You want everybody to die. 0.99
00:17:43.000 You know what I want?
00:17:44.000 I want freedom.
00:17:45.000 I want freedom from tyranny.
00:17:47.000 I don't want a government because the government who can come in and tell you you have to wear a vaccine, take a vaccine, the same government who can come down and shut your business down, the same government who can say your kids can't go to school and must be masked.
00:17:58.000 That's the same kind of government that can step in and tell you anything at all, even as those people are taking to the streets in Cuba.
00:18:05.000 We should be mindful of what you do when you empower government.
00:18:08.000 I completely agree.
00:18:09.000 And so, again, I have made this an issue.
00:18:12.000 I've started to ask questions about.
00:18:14.000 And again, we're used to backlash.
00:18:16.000 We're kind of built for this, right?
00:18:18.000 But it's been the most interesting backlash we've received because it is the most untrue accusations I've ever got before.
00:18:26.000 Like, I got the vaccines as a kid.
00:18:28.000 Like, I got the flu shot when I was in high school.
00:18:30.000 Like, I don't quite understand.
00:18:32.000 You're an anti-vaxxer because you had Robert Kennedy on your program.
00:18:35.000 I just sat there and asked questions.
00:18:37.000 And I'm obviously saying that children shouldn't be forced to get this vaccine.
00:18:40.000 I'm deciding not to get this vaccine.
00:18:42.000 I've said that publicly.
00:18:44.000 And so as a member of Congress, you obviously have oversight of all these agencies.
00:18:50.000 What should voters, this is a national program, what should voters demand their elected officials do on this topic? 0.93
00:18:57.000 Do we need kind of like a church and pike committee of the public health officials? 1.00
00:19:01.000 Because I think that would be a great idea. 1.00
00:19:02.000 Like let's start to have a, instead of this ridiculous report on, you know, the January 6th thing, let's have a real committee on who's in charge of our public health.
00:19:12.000 What are they funding?
00:19:13.000 Did this come from China?
00:19:15.000 Are the vaccine companies the ones that are pushing policy?
00:19:17.000 Do we have this inside-out relationship of publicly traded pharmaceutical companies that are actually using the levers of government for their own benefit?
00:19:25.000 Can you help me out with that?
00:19:26.000 Because it seems as if there's this like corporate oligopoly that is in partnership with government that's calling all the shots.
00:19:32.000 Look, I couldn't agree more.
00:19:33.000 I used to serve on the House Oversight Committee.
00:19:35.000 I had to give that up to be on the House Judiciary Committee this year.
00:19:38.000 But and I may go back, but oversight in particular, and all the committees that have jurisdiction, we need to be pressuring our Democratic colleagues because obviously, as Republicans, we can't call the hearings right now. 0.58
00:19:48.000 Democrats control all the levers.
00:19:51.000 We can push for them, but they're the ones you can actually call them.
00:19:53.000 We need them to call hearings on a nonpartisan basis.
00:19:57.000 We're going to just haul people in and let's have the conversation.
00:20:01.000 Let's talk to some of the pharmaceutical executives.
00:20:03.000 Yes.
00:20:03.000 Exactly how much money, how much money are you going to make from these vaccines?
00:20:06.000 Who told you how much money you're going to make?
00:20:08.000 What are you charging and how much are you getting?
00:20:10.000 How much are you getting from government?
00:20:11.000 How much are you getting from individuals?
00:20:13.000 Okay, what are the actual side effects of these vaccines?
00:20:15.000 How much have they been tested?
00:20:17.000 When we read these stories about, you know, Johnson and Johnson pulled them off because of clotting, right? 0.99
00:20:22.000 And women. 1.00
00:20:22.000 Okay. 1.00
00:20:23.000 Then it went back on, right?
00:20:25.000 It's a huge deal, right? 0.88
00:20:26.000 Women who might be pregnant, might be on birth control. 1.00
00:20:28.000 They were like, oh, hold on, there might be some clotting issues. 1.00
00:20:31.000 That's a pretty big deal.
00:20:32.000 My wife was thinking about getting that vaccine at that moment in time and then pulled back and was then went and did more research.
00:20:39.000 How about this neurological stuff?
00:20:41.000 How about the heart issues that we've been reading about?
00:20:43.000 I don't know if I know that those are those problems outweigh the benefits.
00:20:48.000 I don't know, Charlie.
00:20:49.000 I'm trying to take in the information and see, but we should also have an actual hearing about the honest data on the actual virus itself.
00:20:59.000 So people can understand instead of being so made to be fearful.
00:21:03.000 How about we look and say, well, you know what?
00:21:05.000 If you're a kid under 18, you have a 99.998% of surviving the virus if you get it.
00:21:12.000 Okay.
00:21:13.000 Forget not getting it.
00:21:14.000 If you get it, it's 99.998.
00:21:17.000 That is pretty much in flu territory or actually better than flu.
00:21:21.000 That's right.
00:21:21.000 Now, if you're over 70, and how about everyone understanding?
00:21:24.000 80% of people over 65, I think that's from memory, have been vaccinated.
00:21:29.000 80%.
00:21:30.000 And some in a very large number, 159, I think, million people in the United States have been vaccinated.
00:21:35.000 We are darn close to herd immunity, right?
00:21:38.000 We've got between people who've had the virus, people who have been vaccinated.
00:21:41.000 Everybody, if they know that information and then they know the risks, they can choose whether the vaccine is good for them or not.
00:21:47.000 And I think that's what we need: are hearings that actually get to the truth.
00:21:50.000 Unfortunately, we never have that anymore.
00:21:52.000 That's another podcast in and of itself about how broken Congress is.
00:21:56.000 But we should have those hearings, expose the truth.
00:21:58.000 I'll say one last point, if I may.
00:22:00.000 I'm a cancer survivor.
00:22:01.000 I was diagnosed 10 years ago, I think in like two weeks, with Hodgkin's lymphoma.
00:22:07.000 I was blessed to be able to go to MD Anderson and I was the beneficiary of a trial drug.
00:22:11.000 Okay.
00:22:12.000 I was on an FDA trial for a drug that had already been pre-approved for relapse patients.
00:22:16.000 And I was in a trial for new patients.
00:22:19.000 And it was a great drug.
00:22:20.000 It is now the standard of care.
00:22:22.000 I had one of the best doctors in the world.
00:22:23.000 He said, look, Chip, this is going to be the standard of care.
00:22:26.000 And I went in Congress.
00:22:27.000 I didn't get any special strings.
00:22:28.000 I was just a guy.
00:22:29.000 But I got this, you know, in this trial, and it's great.
00:22:32.000 It helps save my life.
00:22:33.000 I was cancer-free within two months.
00:22:34.000 I finished my chemo regimen and knock on wood.
00:22:36.000 I've been cancer-free for a decade.
00:22:38.000 But I look, I got excoriated by Democrats because two years ago in an oversight hearing, Katie Hill, remember Thruppel, Katie Hill?
00:22:46.000 Katie Hill is going after the Gilead CEO because he is making lots of money at Gilead selling Travada, right?
00:22:53.000 Which is an AIDS drug.
00:22:55.000 And I'm sitting there thinking to myself, scratching my head, going, okay, you got this company, they're making a drug.
00:22:58.000 They're making lots of money.
00:22:59.000 It's saving a lot of people's lives and get AIDS.
00:23:02.000 And you, Democrat, are excoriating them for making money.
00:23:05.000 It's like, look, I don't want them to make money through corporate cronyism, but I do want them to make lots of money and roll in money if they can create drugs that save lives, like the one that saved my life when I had cancer.
00:23:17.000 We've got everything backwards.
00:23:18.000 Democrats want to be able to control everything, forgetting that the market produces these great drugs.
00:23:23.000 Then they want to come in and say, no, we're going to control how much you can make.
00:23:26.000 Then we're going to have the government make all the decisions on that.
00:23:28.000 And guess what?
00:23:29.000 Then you're a social welfare state and you don't produce the great things this country has always produced for the world.
00:23:34.000 And I would argue that some of these pharmaceutical companies, they're actually gotten really lazy instead of trying to be, you know, kind of innovative and inventive.
00:23:41.000 They would just rather game the system and just kind of get these pipelines.
00:23:45.000 That's why the vaccine is such an unusual thing.
00:23:49.000 And I don't want anyone to look at this like anything else we've lived through because this is a gift to the bottom line of Moderna and Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson in a way that we've really never seen before.
00:24:01.000 And it doesn't involve a tremendous amount of RD and they're completely immune from the risks of that.
00:24:07.000 So I wonder.
00:24:09.000 Well, Charlie, on that point, Pfizer, in their, I think, quarterly reports or whatever they were doing, they did their financial report in February.
00:24:15.000 They said they were going to make $15 billion from this.
00:24:18.000 $15 billion from this.
00:24:20.000 Yeah.
00:24:21.000 And so, Chip, I want to focus on something you said, which I think you would appreciate.
00:24:25.000 So growing up, I knew a lot of Democrats.
00:24:29.000 I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago.
00:24:30.000 You've been around Democrats your whole life in Congress and you helped Ted.
00:24:33.000 And so you're aware of all of that.
00:24:35.000 But their complaint, especially when you were helping Ted run for the Senate, I think you helped them against Dewhurst.
00:24:40.000 I might be wrong, but you were in that kind of orbit, was that Republicans are going to force you to do certain things.
00:24:48.000 Republicans are going to get into your bedroom.
00:24:50.000 And if you give Republicans power, you're not going to be able to live free.
00:24:55.000 Remember, this was like the big overarching thing.
00:24:57.000 And in a weird turn of events, it turns out that the Democrats have power.
00:25:01.000 They're actually the authoritarians.
00:25:03.000 And we're the ones that are actually defending this idea of like, no, actually, you shouldn't have to get a medical treatment against your will.
00:25:11.000 Let me ask you this.
00:25:12.000 You can go any way you want with it, but is it inevitable that the Democrats and their belief just end up at authoritarianism?
00:25:19.000 Or is this a short-lived moment?
00:25:21.000 Or are you as concerned as I am that all of this kind of just goes back to a smaller group of people controlling our lives?
00:25:28.000 No, that's absolutely right.
00:25:29.000 And one of the reasons I'm a conservative, and one of the reasons I talk about conservative principles, when I'm conservative, I mean a limited government, constitutional conservative, but that even gets too much in a box.
00:25:40.000 I just believe in freedom, right?
00:25:41.000 I just believe in the individual and I believe in community and I believe in the ability to live according to the dictates of my conscience in Austin, Texas, or in Lukenbach, Texas, or in Beaufort, South Carolina, wherever it is.
00:25:53.000 I want to choose how to live with like-minded individuals.
00:25:56.000 And Democrats always know what's best for you.
00:25:58.000 That's the bottom line.
00:25:59.000 And we know how they exercise that belief through government and the power of government.
00:26:05.000 They want to tell you right now that they know what's best for you.
00:26:08.000 You will take this vaccine, right?
00:26:11.000 But that doesn't just stick to that one issue.
00:26:14.000 It's bigger than that.
00:26:16.000 And I think what we're seeing right now is the virus is exposing and the reaction to the virus is exposing the reality of how Democrats actually do what they do.
00:26:27.000 Let's look for interest in our schools, right?
00:26:29.000 Not to go down that path too far, but the veil is being lifted on our corrupt education system. 0.95
00:26:34.000 And all of a sudden, the American people are saying, wait, wait, what is this critical race theory garbage? 0.96
00:26:39.000 And wait, hold on. 0.98
00:26:40.000 They're teaching my kids what?
00:26:41.000 You know, a mom or a dad sitting there listening to the lecture and their home and they're hearing what's happening with these kids being taught that America is evil and that they should be ashamed of their race and that they should be apologetic for being American and that capitalism is bad and evil.
00:26:56.000 And they're going, oh, hold on a second.
00:26:57.000 All these things are the great things that made our country great.
00:27:00.000 And we've had these issues and we've been dealing with the race issue and we're a greater country as a result of it.
00:27:05.000 And I'm proud of being American. 0.99
00:27:06.000 Why are you teaching my kids that garbage? 0.99
00:27:08.000 It's the same thing with this right now. 0.99
00:27:10.000 Democrats believe in the power of government to be able to tell you how to live your life.
00:27:15.000 Now, they'll say it's not tyrannical, but it is.
00:27:17.000 Keep in mind what they did with respect to Donald Trump, right? 0.79
00:27:19.000 Remember, he was going to be the devil, evil, and too much power.
00:27:23.000 And Trump was going to use all this government power to harm all of the American people and Democrats.
00:27:28.000 Well, exactly, how did he do that?
00:27:30.000 Show me the ways he did that.
00:27:32.000 Yet Democrats are in power for a matter of months, and they're using the power of government in multiple ways to look into your records, to tell you what you're, you know, what virus or what vaccine you're going to take to, you know, keep schools shut down, all these things.
00:27:46.000 They are happy to use the power of government to tell you what to do.
00:27:49.000 But I'd like to just see how Donald Trump was doing that in some way to undermine the freedom for the American people.
00:27:55.000 What's so funny is that that's what they always said we were going to do.
00:27:58.000 It's like, if you give Republicans power, they're going to make you do things you don't want to do.
00:28:03.000 And there's like, that's never been the case.
00:28:05.000 And yet they have power and they're talking about going door to door, trying to make you get the vaccine.
00:28:11.000 So, Congressman, you're one of the few members that is speaking out against this.
00:28:15.000 Other Republican members are saying that we should just submit and get the vaccine at all costs.
00:28:19.000 And we don't even know if it's even effective against getting, you know, COVID-19 and the Chinese coronavirus.
00:28:27.000 What is a way that we can actually come to a place where we can win on this issue and we could be left alone?
00:28:33.000 What is it going to take?
00:28:35.000 What is it going to take for us to draw the line?
00:28:37.000 Now, my biggest fear, though, Chip, is that we're going to have vials of vaccines that are going to start expiring and the true people who run our government, the pharmaceutical companies, are going to be whispering in the ear of the people with the guns to go after us.
00:28:49.000 I know that sounds like a little bit like a chess move, but that's basically where we're at.
00:28:53.000 What do we have to do to not be forced to take this vaccine?
00:28:57.000 Because look, I fly at 330 days a year, Chip.
00:29:00.000 Am I going to have to be forced to get the vaccine to go through TSA?
00:29:02.000 Am I going to be put on a no-fly list?
00:29:04.000 Am I going to be allowed to go to a baseball game?
00:29:06.000 Am I allowed to, can you help us with this?
00:29:09.000 Well, I think at the end of the day, you know, yesterday, as I was waiting to go onto Tucker's show, one of my staffers was at an event that I would have been at had I been able to be there with some constituents in a county that I represent.
00:29:23.000 And the sheriff there said something to the effect of, if the federal vaccine, you know, tyrants come after you, you call me and we'll get rid of them.
00:29:32.000 Okay.
00:29:33.000 We need more of that. 1.00
00:29:34.000 We need more governors.
00:29:35.000 We need DeSantis, Abbott, and others.
00:29:37.000 We need local sheriffs, local county judges, and frankly, individuals.
00:29:41.000 So, Charlie, my position on the vaccine has been very clear publicly since December when I was asked, will you get the vaccine, Congressman?
00:29:49.000 And we were supposed to go do a public vaccination and go out and show that we are a patriotic American because we're getting the vaccine.
00:29:55.000 And my position has been, it will continue to be, and will always be, it's none of your dadgum business.
00:30:00.000 Yes.
00:30:01.000 You're not going to know whether I've had the vaccine.
00:30:03.000 Nobody knows whether I've had the vaccine except for me, God, and my wife.
00:30:07.000 And that's where it's going to stay.
00:30:09.000 And I think more Americans need to take that position.
00:30:14.000 It is your business.
00:30:15.000 It is no one else's business.
00:30:17.000 And if they want to try to force down our throats for vaccine passports for flying and so forth, just say no and encourage governors and representatives to be just like DeSantis.
00:30:27.000 Abbott did it too, although I wish it had been a little stronger like the DeSantis version and say, you're not going to force private enterprise or force governmental entities in my state as governor to make people have a vaccine to go travel or have a passport or have, you know, get on cruise ships or anything else.
00:30:43.000 The people need to retake our power of this.
00:30:46.000 That's the only way this works.
00:30:48.000 So I want to, in the couple minutes we have remaining here, Chip, I want to just kind of shift gears to an unrelated topic because Texas in the news, it seems that you're in vacation, South Carolina.
00:30:57.000 You missed your chance to go see all of the kind of like third-rate actors, like C-level sociopaths that decide to flee the state of Texas.
00:31:05.000 What am I supposed to make of this?
00:31:07.000 What are we supposed to make of this?
00:31:09.000 We did a whole show on this.
00:31:10.000 I read the voter integrity bill.
00:31:12.000 It's honestly like super vanilla.
00:31:14.000 This is not exactly scorched earth style politics.
00:31:17.000 Am I missing something?
00:31:19.000 Or does it seem as if that the Democrats are just kind of want to be on cable television?
00:31:24.000 Yeah, I mean, look, this is literally all theater.
00:31:27.000 For your listeners out there, if you don't know, right, Texas Democrats and the state legislature have fled Texas for the great, wonderful confines of freedom and prosperity in Washington, D.C.
00:31:39.000 And which tell you, by the way, where their priorities are.
00:31:41.000 It's not with Texans.
00:31:42.000 They're fleeing to Washington, D.C. Like I try to flee from Washington, D.C. back to Texas every day, every chance I get.
00:31:49.000 But I'm a congressman, so I have to go to D.C. to represent my constituent.
00:31:53.000 So these members of the state legislature have fled to D.C. in order to deny quorum to the Speaker of the House, governor, and those who have called a special session.
00:32:02.000 So the Speaker, who's a Republican, and the governor are now saying, look, we're going to keep calling a special session.
00:32:06.000 And so I think we have to be asking questions.
00:32:08.000 Who's paying for their trip?
00:32:10.000 Where are they staying?
00:32:11.000 Who are they staying with?
00:32:12.000 Who's paying for their food?
00:32:14.000 What do they do?
00:32:15.000 And highlight everything they're doing.
00:32:17.000 I want to know exactly who's funding all of this.
00:32:20.000 And then highlight the absurdity that instead of doing their job, they want to take the floor of the House and debate the issue of election integrity.
00:32:28.000 Fine.
00:32:29.000 Go ahead and put your big boy or big girl pants on and go down there and do the debating.
00:32:33.000 But at the end of the day, this is a very simple election reform bill.
00:32:37.000 There is nothing controversial in it.
00:32:39.000 It's similar to Major League Baseball when they said, oh, I've got an idea. 0.69
00:32:43.000 Let's move the all-star game from Atlanta, a 50% black city, and move it to Denver, a 10% black city, so that all the white yuppie liberals out there who drive their Subarus and feel good about themselves with their apple stickers on their car can go, yay, look at me. 0.67
00:32:56.000 I'm in Denver and we're going to have the all-star game. 0.82
00:32:59.000 You know, meanwhile, they did nothing to actually advance race relations, all because what?
00:33:04.000 Georgia had a bill that would have had election reforms that were very similar to Colorado's.
00:33:09.000 They're almost identical.
00:33:11.000 Texas are kind of in the same zip code.
00:33:13.000 These are not hard or difficult issues, right?
00:33:16.000 Should you have a voter ID?
00:33:17.000 Should you have a voter ID associated with a mail-in ballot?
00:33:20.000 Should you limit mail-in ballots to those who actually need it?
00:33:22.000 Should you have the ability to check and make sure that the ballot goes with the envelope, et cetera, et cetera.
00:33:27.000 These are common sense reforms, and yet this is somehow being sold as somehow against the Voting Rights Act or somehow trying to suppress votes.
00:33:36.000 And nothing could be further from the truth.
00:33:38.000 And so I look forward to when I get to D.C. next week, we got to go back in session in Congress challenging my Texas Democratic colleagues to come debate us anywhere, come meet us anywhere.
00:33:47.000 I mean, I'll be in D.C. doing my job.
00:33:49.000 They should be in Austin doing theirs.
00:33:51.000 The last thing I want to ask you about, and I know that you have limited oversight capacity, but I would be remiss not to mention this because I know you share a concern about this, is our Intel agency spying on conservative journalists and spying on Tucker Carlson.
00:34:07.000 This is one of the top concerns for those of us that are in the media world, that the government is always looking over our shoulder, looking at our text messages, looking at emails, potentially infiltrating.
00:34:16.000 I know you're in the minority.
00:34:17.000 This is a great, this is a great reason and rallying cry to take back the majority so we can call these committees to heal. 0.95
00:34:24.000 As I mentioned, I think we need a church and pike committee for like five different things: public health and surveillance, state, government overreach, bureaucracies, long past time. 0.80
00:34:33.000 Can you comment on that, Chip, about how our government very well is probably spying on Tucker Carlson and what else are they doing? 0.99
00:34:41.000 Yeah, happy to.
00:34:42.000 And two different answers to that.
00:34:43.000 The first answer is exactly in the bucket you just talked about, the extent to which we're being spied upon.
00:34:49.000 Last night, talking about Democrats looking at text messages about whether you're saying the right stuff about the issue of the vaccine.
00:34:55.000 They used my right messages as an excuse for that, by the way, in the story.
00:34:59.000 So anyway, yeah.
00:35:00.000 Yeah.
00:35:01.000 And so you know that we've got that problem.
00:35:03.000 But then at the same time, right, we Republicans have got to get religion about spending. 0.99
00:35:08.000 We're funding all of this garbage. 0.96
00:35:10.000 Now, I know that's a little off topic, but it's true. 0.99
00:35:13.000 Stop funding the bureaucrats who are taking away your freedom.
00:35:16.000 Stop funding the teachers.
00:35:17.000 Stop funding the universities.
00:35:19.000 Stop funding the spying agencies.
00:35:21.000 Stop funding the FBI.
00:35:22.000 Stop funding the Department of Justice unless we're going to demand that they do the things they're supposed to do.
00:35:27.000 But we should have hearings.
00:35:28.000 And when Republicans take back the House, we should immediately have hearings on Fourth Amendment, on our rights, on ensuring that we're not being spied upon.
00:35:37.000 We need to jack down all of those agencies, call them to the carpet, force them to look outside of America on enemies, foreign and to use our intelligence capabilities that way.
00:35:49.000 And we need to look at the Department of Justice, for example.
00:35:51.000 Who are the 500 Americans who were arrested for January 6th?
00:35:55.000 Who are they?
00:35:56.000 And why?
00:35:56.000 Like how much of that was politicized?
00:35:58.000 I am absolutely confident that dozens probably of those people deserve to be arrested because they did things they shouldn't have done.
00:36:05.000 But there are dozens or hundreds of people who are arrested that I think was very much about a political witch hunt in and around January 6th.
00:36:12.000 And, you know, heaven forbid you have a rational view about that day and say, hey, wait a minute, the Department of Justice should come forward to the House Judiciary Committee and answer for how they're using the power of the law to go after American citizens.
00:36:24.000 We should have hearings about that, hearings about pharmaceutical companies and how much money they're making on the vaccine.
00:36:28.000 We should have hearings about the size and scope of Amazon, Google, Facebook and Apple and the companies that are denying people access to the market, denying small companies access to market.
00:36:41.000 And we should have open hearings on all of those issues and it's shining to the light of day and the corrupt education system that has been denying a generation of Americans the belief that the understanding of how great their country is.
00:36:53.000 I totally agree.
00:36:54.000 I just want to say, Congressman, thank you for being willing to talk about the vaccine openly and say that just in an honest fashion, that there's a lot we don't know and that there are negative side effects for some people potentially and not just be dogmatic about it.
00:37:06.000 It takes courage because some of these Republicans have been so insanely disappointing on this topic.
00:37:12.000 And again, this is not like the number one issue of my life.
00:37:15.000 I just don't like it when all of a sudden I feel as if the pressure of the world saying like, you can't say that, you can't talk about it.
00:37:21.000 But you deserve credit for that.
00:37:22.000 You really do, because in this weird moment that we're in, you're just not allowed to talk about this.
00:37:27.000 So, well, Charlie, thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify.
00:37:30.000 I had two minutes on Tucker at the very end of the show.
00:37:32.000 And so it wasn't 100% clear, I think, about where I was coming from.
00:37:35.000 So you just can't fit it in in two minutes.
00:37:37.000 But to be very clear, you just nailed it.
00:37:39.000 I mean, about where we're very sympathetic on this.
00:37:41.000 The American people deserve to be able to make decisions on their own based on the truth.
00:37:45.000 They shouldn't have to be shamed into it.
00:37:46.000 We should be very skeptical about putting anything into our bodies and make a decision based on that, whether it's, you know, whether it's liquor and illegal drugs or whether it's good for you, food and fruits and vegetables and where they come from, or whether it's a vaccine or medicine.
00:37:59.000 We control what goes into our body and only us.
00:38:02.000 I totally agree.
00:38:03.000 So, Congressman, thank you so much.
00:38:05.000 Chip Roy, how could people stay in touch with you and follow you?
00:38:08.000 My audience has been telling me, Charlie, you have to do a better job of telling people how they can follow it.
00:38:12.000 So just plug anything you want.
00:38:14.000 Here you go.
00:38:14.000 Yeah.
00:38:15.000 Sure.
00:38:15.000 No, I appreciate it.
00:38:16.000 Chiproy.com, C-H-I-P-R-O-Y.com.
00:38:19.000 That's my political website.
00:38:21.000 Roy.house.gov is my official site.
00:38:23.000 Twitter, C-H-I-P-R-O-Y-T-X, Chiproy T-X is my Twitter handle.
00:38:29.000 And, you know, look, Charlie, keep doing what you're doing.
00:38:31.000 Let's visit again soon.
00:38:32.000 And I really appreciate you shining the light on so much that needs to be exposed to the American people.
00:38:36.000 We appreciate it.
00:38:37.000 Thank you so much, Chip.
00:38:38.000 Talk to you soon.
00:38:38.000 God bless.
00:38:41.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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