00:00:03.000I don't know when you're listening to this, but I hope you're having a great weekend.
00:00:06.000And on our show today, we have Congressman Chip Roy, who is speaking out rather courageously against mandatory vaccines about the fourth branch of government and the weaponization of our health agencies.
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00:02:54.000And last night I went on Tucker because I've been hitting this pretty hard in social media about the vaccine.
00:03:01.000And what I said last night, which you heard, which may have sounded a little too pro-vaccine, to be honest with you, was that I am for vaccines if you're informed and you think it's good and it's good for you and it's good for your family.
00:03:13.000My dad had polio, as I said on Tucker's show.
00:03:16.000I watched his body being ravaged by polio over his whole life.
00:03:19.000I'm glad that I could avail myself of a polio vaccine and so could my kids.
00:03:30.000They're trying to decide what's good for them and their families.
00:03:33.000There's very legitimate questions about the impact on young women and whether or not it aggregates around the ovaries of young girls.
00:03:39.000There's a study this week about the Johnson Johnson virus, about the neurological impacts.
00:03:45.000We know that there's been myocardia and other heart issues where we've seen with young people.
00:03:50.000Why are we trying to shove this into children when the risk to children of the virus is probably much less than the risk of taking the vaccine if you're under 12 or even under 18?
00:04:02.000And what I went on Tucker last night to talk about, Charlie, and I think you and I agree with this completely, is we should not be having the federal government mandating that we have to take a vaccine when, in fact, we are capable of making decisions based on the information if we can have the honest truth.
00:04:51.000And for a variety of different reasons, and the polio vaccine was a major breakthrough scientifically of inoculation.
00:04:57.000And Jonas Salk deserve a lot of credit with that.
00:05:00.000And then we've gotten into this period, though, where we now have a huge, mass amount of vaccines for children, 72 plus.
00:05:07.000That's a different topic for a different time.
00:05:09.000But right now, this specific vaccine has emergency use authorization and has not gone through the same multi-year clinical trials, obviously, because it's been kind of pushed into the forefront of this.
00:05:24.000And if you're 75 years old and you have cormorbidities, taking this vaccine might be the right choice.
00:05:30.000It might be because, you know, COVID poses a huge threat to you potentially.
00:05:35.000Where you're 19 years old, not as much.
00:05:38.000And so, so, Congressman, can you zero in?
00:05:56.000And it's all about Democrats wanting to project power and then use this virus as an excuse to force more of us into their government-controlled healthcare system.
00:06:05.000And that's the truth and beyond healthcare.
00:06:38.000But are we actually free in this country?
00:06:40.000Truly, Charlie, I mean, it's a question.
00:06:41.000Are we actually free when you've got the federal government, officials of the federal government saying they have a right to know whether or not you've been vaccinated because they in their infinite wisdom are spending trillions of dollars shutting down our economy, shutting down small businesses, forcing our kids to wear masks, closing our schools down?
00:07:00.000Like you can tell, I've got a palm tree behind me.
00:07:02.000I'm in South Carolina on vacation with some longtime friends of mine.
00:07:06.000I went to a restaurant in New Orleans on the way, Mothers, right?
00:07:09.000It's a famous place, Po Boys, you know, near the French quarter.
00:07:13.000I went to a famous restaurant in Charleston last night.
00:07:16.000I went to a place on Hilton Head Island just this afternoon for lunch.
00:07:20.000Every one of those restaurants, I talked to the owners and every one of them talked about how they're getting decimated, destroyed by the Democrats' plan, by what they're doing by paying people not to work.
00:07:30.000Now, that's a different subject for a different podcast, but it's related.
00:07:36.000The Democrats are using the power of government to interfere with every aspect of your life, and it's about control.
00:07:42.000You said another thing about the vaccines that I think merits a little bit more exploration.
00:07:47.000On my way here, we stopped in Auburn, Alabama, where my very dear friend and Senator Cruz's former legislative director, she suffers from multiple sclerosis.
00:07:56.000She has two children that have some health issues I don't get into out of her own privacy.
00:08:01.000But she has been studying the impacts of multiple vaccinations and what that means for various illnesses that we're now seeing in a lot of children.
00:08:09.000There's a lot of stuff we need to understand about vaccines and what it does to human beings, what it does to our children.
00:08:18.000I'm for them when you're informed and you think the risks, you know, that the positives of the vaccines outweigh the risks of whatever you might get.
00:08:33.000But all of these vaccines we take, and now they want to ram this down our throats after six months.
00:08:38.000And by the way, who are you going to sue if everything goes south?
00:08:41.000Because right now it's not the federal government and it's not the pharmaceutical companies because they're exempt because it's an emergency basis vaccine.
00:08:52.000And I want to kind of walk through that because you and I are both free market guys.
00:08:56.000And most importantly, we're private property people.
00:09:00.000And so one of the mechanisms that we have as consumers is that if a business does something awful, we can go to a court and we can adjudicate that, right?
00:09:11.000That is a very simple market principle, right?
00:10:04.000Like right now, for example, there are complicated funds and avenues for liability that the federal government blesses when they do these vaccine trials and so forth.
00:10:16.000But then there's the free market route, if you will.
00:10:19.000Like you said, it says, okay, somebody wrongs me and I can go to court.
00:10:29.000Because the federal government said, oh, hold on, we've got an emergency.
00:10:32.000So we're going to say on an emergency basis, shove this vaccine out there.
00:10:35.000Now, where's my recourse if the federal government is telling me you must be vaccinated?
00:10:40.000Whether they do it by force of law or by shame, whether they empower the TSA to say you must be vaccinated to fly or they shame you into it or schools or your children must be vaccinated at schools.
00:10:51.000All of those things shove people into get vaccinated.
00:10:53.000Now, what happens if everything goes south?
00:10:55.000What about the story I read the other day of a little boy who died from a myocardia issue, which I don't know for sure if it's a direct tie to the vaccine, but the parents say that they got a vaccine, their otherwise healthy kid, bam, died.
00:11:11.000Look, that's, and that's an important thing.
00:11:13.000As a free market conservative, Charlie, you know, I always remind my conservative friends when we did a whole bunch of liability, liability reform, right?
00:11:26.000I'm for that because it was being abused by trial lawyers.
00:11:29.000However, look, the system is you either let the system grind people out or you have massive regulation or you allow people to go to court and sue in order to be made whole.
00:11:40.000And I don't ever want to take away the ability for me to be able to go to court and be made whole if I'm wrong, because that's an important part of letting the free market work.
00:11:48.000Well, and I want to just, I just want to make sure we explain to our audience why that's important, because then it makes the producer more aware of the potential downside of not creating something that might be completely satisfactory to the recipient, right?
00:12:04.000So, for example, if like McDonald's just had salmonella in every single one of their burgers and they were immune from salmonella lawsuits, they wouldn't inspect their meat as much, right?
00:12:14.000So, because of that, they put in their own measures to make sure they're serving things correctly because they might get sued by some massive plaintiff law firm, which you and I have, you know, a very particular disdain for these creatures, but they serve up, they do serve a mechanism in the market, right?
00:12:32.000And so, can you, can you build that out even more?
00:12:35.000Yeah, let me give you a perfect example.
00:12:37.000Asbestos, most people are familiar with the fact that we used asbestos in a lot of products.
00:13:19.000So, we passed reform in Texas called a medical criteria bill, which made if you fit within the square of this medical criteria, you could go sue.
00:13:27.000So, that tamped down the trial abuse, but it allowed you to be made whole.
00:13:31.000At the same time, there was a federal effort to have a big $300 billion asbestos trust fund.
00:13:52.000And now you can hold these companies accountable, but now you don't enrich trial lawyers who are abusing the system like ambulance chasers.
00:14:01.000You want to make sure that if you're going to go use this vaccine, because maybe you're 75 and you want to make sure you're okay because you think the risk is too high, or maybe you're a parent and you decide, you know, I'm on the line.
00:14:20.000Don't get the vaccine if you're a 48-year-old male.
00:14:23.000You want to take in all the information, but if they're doing something that's going to cause heart issues and we figure that out, then we want to be able to go sue them because they should have known or they knew or should have known.
00:14:34.000And that's, I think, really important.
00:14:36.000And right now, we're rushing this out there.
00:14:38.000And I think the vast majority of Americans have no idea that they're kind of dangling with no avenue to go pursue if something's wrong with the vaccine.
00:14:46.000And I just want to reiterate this, that this was a law passed by Congress that gave the pharmaceutical and vaccine manufacturers immunity.
00:14:54.000Now, the way that they relieved the skeptics or the opponents is they said, we are going to have rigorous and peer-tested approvals of those vaccines so that the downsides will be very minimal, right?
00:15:08.000That's how they kind of were able to satisfy both sides.
00:15:32.000Why is it, Chip, that we're not allowed to ask questions about this?
00:15:34.000Why is there an all-out massive propaganda campaign that personalizes this issue unlike anything I have experienced except the race issue?
00:15:45.000You know, that's a great question that I think we need to fully explore, but that's definitively true.
00:15:50.000I want to make sure listeners know your observation is definitively true.
00:15:54.000We are not allowed to ask these questions.
00:15:56.000If you ask these questions, I'm going to say by we, you and I are asking this question right now, and I'll be okay because I'm a member of Congress.
00:16:03.000You've got a pretty good microphone and some power behind what you're doing.
00:16:06.000But look, if you're the average person in a job, or if you're an average person out there who's just going through life and you ask that question about your students at school, and now all of a sudden your kids are going to get the scorn of the teachers' unions, all of a sudden, you're going to maybe get fired from your job because you dare ask the question about a vaccine.
00:17:04.000But right now, we're reacting within six months and saying, boom, go out and use the vaccine.
00:17:08.000By the way, the people doing this are the same people who were mocking President Trump, mocking the previous administration for saying we're going to fast track and get a vaccine to market.
00:17:47.000I don't want a government because the government who can come in and tell you you have to wear a vaccine, take a vaccine, the same government who can come down and shut your business down, the same government who can say your kids can't go to school and must be masked.
00:17:58.000That's the same kind of government that can step in and tell you anything at all, even as those people are taking to the streets in Cuba.
00:18:05.000We should be mindful of what you do when you empower government.
00:18:44.000And so as a member of Congress, you obviously have oversight of all these agencies.
00:18:50.000What should voters, this is a national program, what should voters demand their elected officials do on this topic?
00:18:57.000Do we need kind of like a church and pike committee of the public health officials?
00:19:01.000Because I think that would be a great idea.
00:19:02.000Like let's start to have a, instead of this ridiculous report on, you know, the January 6th thing, let's have a real committee on who's in charge of our public health.
00:19:15.000Are the vaccine companies the ones that are pushing policy?
00:19:17.000Do we have this inside-out relationship of publicly traded pharmaceutical companies that are actually using the levers of government for their own benefit?
00:19:33.000I used to serve on the House Oversight Committee.
00:19:35.000I had to give that up to be on the House Judiciary Committee this year.
00:19:38.000But and I may go back, but oversight in particular, and all the committees that have jurisdiction, we need to be pressuring our Democratic colleagues because obviously, as Republicans, we can't call the hearings right now.
00:22:59.000It's saving a lot of people's lives and get AIDS.
00:23:02.000And you, Democrat, are excoriating them for making money.
00:23:05.000It's like, look, I don't want them to make money through corporate cronyism, but I do want them to make lots of money and roll in money if they can create drugs that save lives, like the one that saved my life when I had cancer.
00:23:29.000Then you're a social welfare state and you don't produce the great things this country has always produced for the world.
00:23:34.000And I would argue that some of these pharmaceutical companies, they're actually gotten really lazy instead of trying to be, you know, kind of innovative and inventive.
00:23:41.000They would just rather game the system and just kind of get these pipelines.
00:23:45.000That's why the vaccine is such an unusual thing.
00:23:49.000And I don't want anyone to look at this like anything else we've lived through because this is a gift to the bottom line of Moderna and Pfizer and Johnson and Johnson in a way that we've really never seen before.
00:24:01.000And it doesn't involve a tremendous amount of RD and they're completely immune from the risks of that.
00:24:09.000Well, Charlie, on that point, Pfizer, in their, I think, quarterly reports or whatever they were doing, they did their financial report in February.
00:24:15.000They said they were going to make $15 billion from this.
00:25:03.000And we're the ones that are actually defending this idea of like, no, actually, you shouldn't have to get a medical treatment against your will.
00:25:29.000And one of the reasons I'm a conservative, and one of the reasons I talk about conservative principles, when I'm conservative, I mean a limited government, constitutional conservative, but that even gets too much in a box.
00:25:41.000I just believe in the individual and I believe in community and I believe in the ability to live according to the dictates of my conscience in Austin, Texas, or in Lukenbach, Texas, or in Beaufort, South Carolina, wherever it is.
00:25:53.000I want to choose how to live with like-minded individuals.
00:25:56.000And Democrats always know what's best for you.
00:26:16.000And I think what we're seeing right now is the virus is exposing and the reaction to the virus is exposing the reality of how Democrats actually do what they do.
00:26:27.000Let's look for interest in our schools, right?
00:26:29.000Not to go down that path too far, but the veil is being lifted on our corrupt education system.
00:26:34.000And all of a sudden, the American people are saying, wait, wait, what is this critical race theory garbage?
00:26:41.000You know, a mom or a dad sitting there listening to the lecture and their home and they're hearing what's happening with these kids being taught that America is evil and that they should be ashamed of their race and that they should be apologetic for being American and that capitalism is bad and evil.
00:26:56.000And they're going, oh, hold on a second.
00:26:57.000All these things are the great things that made our country great.
00:27:00.000And we've had these issues and we've been dealing with the race issue and we're a greater country as a result of it.
00:27:32.000Yet Democrats are in power for a matter of months, and they're using the power of government in multiple ways to look into your records, to tell you what you're, you know, what virus or what vaccine you're going to take to, you know, keep schools shut down, all these things.
00:27:46.000They are happy to use the power of government to tell you what to do.
00:27:49.000But I'd like to just see how Donald Trump was doing that in some way to undermine the freedom for the American people.
00:27:55.000What's so funny is that that's what they always said we were going to do.
00:27:58.000It's like, if you give Republicans power, they're going to make you do things you don't want to do.
00:28:03.000And there's like, that's never been the case.
00:28:05.000And yet they have power and they're talking about going door to door, trying to make you get the vaccine.
00:28:11.000So, Congressman, you're one of the few members that is speaking out against this.
00:28:15.000Other Republican members are saying that we should just submit and get the vaccine at all costs.
00:28:19.000And we don't even know if it's even effective against getting, you know, COVID-19 and the Chinese coronavirus.
00:28:27.000What is a way that we can actually come to a place where we can win on this issue and we could be left alone?
00:28:35.000What is it going to take for us to draw the line?
00:28:37.000Now, my biggest fear, though, Chip, is that we're going to have vials of vaccines that are going to start expiring and the true people who run our government, the pharmaceutical companies, are going to be whispering in the ear of the people with the guns to go after us.
00:28:49.000I know that sounds like a little bit like a chess move, but that's basically where we're at.
00:28:53.000What do we have to do to not be forced to take this vaccine?
00:28:57.000Because look, I fly at 330 days a year, Chip.
00:29:00.000Am I going to have to be forced to get the vaccine to go through TSA?
00:29:02.000Am I going to be put on a no-fly list?
00:29:04.000Am I going to be allowed to go to a baseball game?
00:29:06.000Am I allowed to, can you help us with this?
00:29:09.000Well, I think at the end of the day, you know, yesterday, as I was waiting to go onto Tucker's show, one of my staffers was at an event that I would have been at had I been able to be there with some constituents in a county that I represent.
00:29:23.000And the sheriff there said something to the effect of, if the federal vaccine, you know, tyrants come after you, you call me and we'll get rid of them.
00:29:37.000We need local sheriffs, local county judges, and frankly, individuals.
00:29:41.000So, Charlie, my position on the vaccine has been very clear publicly since December when I was asked, will you get the vaccine, Congressman?
00:29:49.000And we were supposed to go do a public vaccination and go out and show that we are a patriotic American because we're getting the vaccine.
00:29:55.000And my position has been, it will continue to be, and will always be, it's none of your dadgum business.
00:30:17.000And if they want to try to force down our throats for vaccine passports for flying and so forth, just say no and encourage governors and representatives to be just like DeSantis.
00:30:27.000Abbott did it too, although I wish it had been a little stronger like the DeSantis version and say, you're not going to force private enterprise or force governmental entities in my state as governor to make people have a vaccine to go travel or have a passport or have, you know, get on cruise ships or anything else.
00:30:43.000The people need to retake our power of this.
00:30:48.000So I want to, in the couple minutes we have remaining here, Chip, I want to just kind of shift gears to an unrelated topic because Texas in the news, it seems that you're in vacation, South Carolina.
00:30:57.000You missed your chance to go see all of the kind of like third-rate actors, like C-level sociopaths that decide to flee the state of Texas.
00:31:19.000Or does it seem as if that the Democrats are just kind of want to be on cable television?
00:31:24.000Yeah, I mean, look, this is literally all theater.
00:31:27.000For your listeners out there, if you don't know, right, Texas Democrats and the state legislature have fled Texas for the great, wonderful confines of freedom and prosperity in Washington, D.C.
00:31:39.000And which tell you, by the way, where their priorities are.
00:31:42.000They're fleeing to Washington, D.C. Like I try to flee from Washington, D.C. back to Texas every day, every chance I get.
00:31:49.000But I'm a congressman, so I have to go to D.C. to represent my constituent.
00:31:53.000So these members of the state legislature have fled to D.C. in order to deny quorum to the Speaker of the House, governor, and those who have called a special session.
00:32:02.000So the Speaker, who's a Republican, and the governor are now saying, look, we're going to keep calling a special session.
00:32:06.000And so I think we have to be asking questions.
00:32:17.000I want to know exactly who's funding all of this.
00:32:20.000And then highlight the absurdity that instead of doing their job, they want to take the floor of the House and debate the issue of election integrity.
00:32:39.000It's similar to Major League Baseball when they said, oh, I've got an idea.
00:32:43.000Let's move the all-star game from Atlanta, a 50% black city, and move it to Denver, a 10% black city, so that all the white yuppie liberals out there who drive their Subarus and feel good about themselves with their apple stickers on their car can go, yay, look at me.
00:32:56.000I'm in Denver and we're going to have the all-star game.
00:32:59.000You know, meanwhile, they did nothing to actually advance race relations, all because what?
00:33:04.000Georgia had a bill that would have had election reforms that were very similar to Colorado's.
00:33:17.000Should you have a voter ID associated with a mail-in ballot?
00:33:20.000Should you limit mail-in ballots to those who actually need it?
00:33:22.000Should you have the ability to check and make sure that the ballot goes with the envelope, et cetera, et cetera.
00:33:27.000These are common sense reforms, and yet this is somehow being sold as somehow against the Voting Rights Act or somehow trying to suppress votes.
00:33:36.000And nothing could be further from the truth.
00:33:38.000And so I look forward to when I get to D.C. next week, we got to go back in session in Congress challenging my Texas Democratic colleagues to come debate us anywhere, come meet us anywhere.
00:33:49.000They should be in Austin doing theirs.
00:33:51.000The last thing I want to ask you about, and I know that you have limited oversight capacity, but I would be remiss not to mention this because I know you share a concern about this, is our Intel agency spying on conservative journalists and spying on Tucker Carlson.
00:34:07.000This is one of the top concerns for those of us that are in the media world, that the government is always looking over our shoulder, looking at our text messages, looking at emails, potentially infiltrating.
00:34:17.000This is a great, this is a great reason and rallying cry to take back the majority so we can call these committees to heal.
00:34:24.000As I mentioned, I think we need a church and pike committee for like five different things: public health and surveillance, state, government overreach, bureaucracies, long past time.
00:34:33.000Can you comment on that, Chip, about how our government very well is probably spying on Tucker Carlson and what else are they doing?
00:35:28.000And when Republicans take back the House, we should immediately have hearings on Fourth Amendment, on our rights, on ensuring that we're not being spied upon.
00:35:37.000We need to jack down all of those agencies, call them to the carpet, force them to look outside of America on enemies, foreign and to use our intelligence capabilities that way.
00:35:49.000And we need to look at the Department of Justice, for example.
00:35:51.000Who are the 500 Americans who were arrested for January 6th?
00:35:56.000Like how much of that was politicized?
00:35:58.000I am absolutely confident that dozens probably of those people deserve to be arrested because they did things they shouldn't have done.
00:36:05.000But there are dozens or hundreds of people who are arrested that I think was very much about a political witch hunt in and around January 6th.
00:36:12.000And, you know, heaven forbid you have a rational view about that day and say, hey, wait a minute, the Department of Justice should come forward to the House Judiciary Committee and answer for how they're using the power of the law to go after American citizens.
00:36:24.000We should have hearings about that, hearings about pharmaceutical companies and how much money they're making on the vaccine.
00:36:28.000We should have hearings about the size and scope of Amazon, Google, Facebook and Apple and the companies that are denying people access to the market, denying small companies access to market.
00:36:41.000And we should have open hearings on all of those issues and it's shining to the light of day and the corrupt education system that has been denying a generation of Americans the belief that the understanding of how great their country is.
00:36:54.000I just want to say, Congressman, thank you for being willing to talk about the vaccine openly and say that just in an honest fashion, that there's a lot we don't know and that there are negative side effects for some people potentially and not just be dogmatic about it.
00:37:06.000It takes courage because some of these Republicans have been so insanely disappointing on this topic.
00:37:12.000And again, this is not like the number one issue of my life.
00:37:15.000I just don't like it when all of a sudden I feel as if the pressure of the world saying like, you can't say that, you can't talk about it.
00:37:22.000You really do, because in this weird moment that we're in, you're just not allowed to talk about this.
00:37:27.000So, well, Charlie, thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify.
00:37:30.000I had two minutes on Tucker at the very end of the show.
00:37:32.000And so it wasn't 100% clear, I think, about where I was coming from.
00:37:35.000So you just can't fit it in in two minutes.
00:37:37.000But to be very clear, you just nailed it.
00:37:39.000I mean, about where we're very sympathetic on this.
00:37:41.000The American people deserve to be able to make decisions on their own based on the truth.
00:37:45.000They shouldn't have to be shamed into it.
00:37:46.000We should be very skeptical about putting anything into our bodies and make a decision based on that, whether it's, you know, whether it's liquor and illegal drugs or whether it's good for you, food and fruits and vegetables and where they come from, or whether it's a vaccine or medicine.
00:37:59.000We control what goes into our body and only us.