The Charlie Kirk Show - The Vast Graveyard of Ivermectin Lies with Dr. Pierre Kory and John O'Shea

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, the impeachment of Ken Paxton is underway in Texas.

00:00:05.000 And Dr. Pierre Corey on the war on Ivermecton, very important conversation.

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00:01:08.000 We've asked the question, where are the Republican attorneys general standing up for what is right?

00:01:15.000 Where's the response to all the lawfare?

00:01:19.000 Where is it?

00:01:21.000 Well, you have to understand that they put the one man who was using the attorneys general's office of Texas to go after the Biden administration, many other places, and they needed to put him in check and make an example out of him.

00:01:33.000 See, if you step out of line, boom.

00:01:36.000 Now, this is not a defense of everything Ken Paxton has done.

00:01:39.000 I'm not going to do that.

00:01:40.000 I find some of it to be morally objectionable.

00:01:45.000 But I've known Ken for a while, and I've been told by him and others that these are private matters that are being dealt with.

00:01:52.000 But I don't look at it as a reason why he should be removed from the Attorney's General Office.

00:01:57.000 Nor do I look at it as a way that a reason that we should make this an impeachment proceeding. 0.94

00:02:03.000 It's ridiculous.

00:02:04.000 No, this looks to be intentional as a way to try to make an example. 0.93

00:02:08.000 You are too bold as an attorney general. 0.92

00:02:11.000 We're going to clobber you.

00:02:13.000 Remember, we talked about in our op-ed, it's time to indict the left.

00:02:16.000 Well, how can you indict the left if the good guys, the good law enforcement officers, are impeached and other attorneys generals are watching and they're taking notice.

00:02:26.000 This is a massive chilling project to chill the speech and the activity of bold attorneys general.

00:02:35.000 We must stand against the impeachment of Ken Paxton.

00:02:38.000 We must not support the impeachment of Ken Paxton.

00:02:41.000 We must rally behind the principle that Ken Paxton has done a lot of good for the people of Texas.

00:02:48.000 And joining us now is John O'Shea, congressional candidate in Texas's 12th congressional district.

00:02:53.000 He's also a Fort Worth area businessman, and he has all the information that our audience is really interested in regarding the impeachment of Ken Paxton.

00:03:02.000 John, thank you for joining the program.

00:03:04.000 Give us the update on the impeachment of Ken and what are the dynamics and forces at play here.

00:03:10.000 Well, it's good to be back with you, Charlie, except unfortunately under these circumstances.

00:03:15.000 So as you just rightly outlaid, the establishment is going after Ken because Ken's been one of the champions of the America First Movement and standing up for the constitutional rights of his constituents here in the state of Texas.

00:03:28.000 No other attorney general, no other attorney general's office has pushed back against this unconstitutional regime that is trying to take away our civil liberties.

00:03:38.000 And for that, we have a similar situation to what happened with President Trump with Alvin Bragg.

00:03:44.000 There, you had Matthew Colangelo leave the Department of Justice and all of a sudden mysteriously appear at the district attorney's office right as the charges were being filed against President Trump.

00:03:54.000 Here you have a woman who left the Department of Justice and somehow managed to join the House investigative committee that nobody publicly knew was even occurring within the matter of day.

00:04:06.000 So I would say that this is a coordinated effort.

00:04:08.000 And the thing that's most disappointing to me, but hopefully will be a wake-up call to the voters, is that it was led in large part because the Republican leadership of the House, we had 60 Republicans who voted with the Democrats for his impeachment.

00:04:24.000 And now that the fate of the best attorney general in the country rests in the hands of the Senate, where we have a 19 of 12 advantage as well, although Angela Paxton, Ken's wife, is not allowed to vote.

00:04:37.000 But it still needs a 21-vote level in order to impeach Ken Paxton.

00:04:44.000 And unfortunately, there are a number of Republican senators who I just don't think we know until the final vote comes.

00:04:50.000 So it's going to be very tuck and go.

00:04:52.000 So any Republican that votes for this needs to be removed from office in Texas.

00:04:56.000 And I'm not 100%.

00:04:58.000 I'm not making an excuse for Ken's alleged behavior.

00:05:00.000 I'm not that interested in that, to be perfectly honest.

00:05:02.000 He's an effective attorney general.

00:05:04.000 He's fulfilled the mandate from his voters.

00:05:07.000 So John, make sure our audience understands this is being primarily driven by Republicans.

00:05:12.000 What the heck is going on in the state of Texas while the southern border remains wide open and we are being invaded on a daily basis?

00:05:19.000 We're worried about Ken Paxton's alleged mistresses. 0.94

00:05:23.000 What the heck? 0.70

00:05:24.000 Well, it's even more egregious than that because so the Texas House is largely viewed as a squish institution. 0.86

00:05:32.000 They allow Democratic committee chairs, even though the Texas population, the voters, gave the House a large Republican majority and they put these people in positions of power.

00:05:44.000 We were unable to get key legislative issues that were platforms for the state Republican Party through the House because they were just held up.

00:05:54.000 But they used this 88th congressional session to actually on the last day hold a four-hour public hearing, which for a lot of people was the very first time that they even understood that there was an investigative committee that was going on.

00:06:07.000 And on top of that, which makes it even more egregious because, like you said, it was led by Dave Phelan, who was the House Speaker, as Lieutenant Governor Patrick called him, California Dade, who clearly is not a conservative and is clearly doesn't hold to the Republican values of the electorate base here in Texas.

00:06:26.000 But you had an impeachment trial that didn't even follow Texas Code.

00:06:31.000 I've been watching the Senate hearing this morning.

00:06:33.000 And in fact, they just got finished reading the charges against Ken.

00:06:37.000 And what to me I think was just kind of most just egregious was that they kept reading Texas code in which supposedly Ken's behavior violated.

00:06:46.000 Well, the whole impeachment hearing violated Texas Code.

00:06:50.000 We have what's known as the prior election doctrine, Texas Code 605, which says that a elected official cannot be impeached for events that were known to the public prior to an election.

00:07:02.000 Well, Ken alleged his situation was very public through both the primary and then the general election, with tens of millions of dollars being spent on media against him.

00:07:12.000 And he still garnered 4.3 million votes and won by landslide.

00:07:17.000 And then on top of that, there's another Texas code which governs legislative witnesses needing to be under oath.

00:07:24.000 Well, the way that this whole sham impeachment was handled by this investigative committee, you had two former DOJ officials holding secret investigations, talking to witnesses who were not under oath, then going and reporting to the committee, not under oath.

00:07:38.000 And then the committee went and reported to the House, not under oath.

00:07:42.000 So it's hearsay upon hearsay upon hearsay.

00:07:45.000 So it's just, it's a sham.

00:07:48.000 It is a political witch hunt, regardless of whether or not Ken did do some of the things that he has alleged.

00:07:53.000 I, like you, and frankly, the grassroots and all the other precinct chairs that I speak to are just outraged at this.

00:08:00.000 This was a shooting ourselves in the foot and very intentionally so.

00:08:04.000 So, what is the call to action here?

00:08:05.000 I'm told that these are the senators, Birdwell, Flores, Hancock, Huffman, Hughes, King, Middleton, Nichols, Sparks, and Springer in Texas.

00:08:15.000 We need a grassroots push to contact these senators and say no, or what is the technical vote, whatever the vote is, right?

00:08:22.000 The essence is no to impeach Attorney General Ken Paxton.

00:08:26.000 John.

00:08:27.000 Yeah, no, and in fact, to your point, it's interesting because they just laid out the rules for the public.

00:08:33.000 Lieutenant Governor Patrick did.

00:08:34.000 And actually, each charge is going to have a whether or not the senator thinks that Ken was, in fact, guilty of that charge.

00:08:42.000 But then it's a two-part question because then the second part of that question is whether or not that is in and of itself sufficient to remove Ken from office.

00:08:51.000 So, I, like you, I mean, I've been friends with Ken for 20 years.

00:08:55.000 We're all flawed human beings.

00:08:56.000 And if Ken is guilty of some of these allegations, you know, then that's disappointing, but it's also not unheard of.

00:09:04.000 But that in and of itself is not sufficient to remove him from office.

00:09:08.000 So, we've actually already been working on censoring the House representatives who voted for Ken's impeachment, all the Republicans, all 60 of them.

00:09:16.000 In fact, I personally know three people who are primary individuals who are in the state legislature in the area, and we're seeking to solicit a couple more to go because the people are fed up.

00:09:29.000 They are so angry.

00:09:30.000 We have a gentleman in the White House who supposedly won with 81 million votes who clearly sold out his country.

00:09:37.000 And we're not doing anything about that.

00:09:39.000 But because Ken supposedly got granite countertops and maybe had a mistress who was hired by a campaign donor, we're going to take him off the board when the state of Texas, to your point, is suffering not only worse problems, but needs him at the wall.

00:09:52.000 No, and let's be honest: Ken Paxton, the knives have been out for Ken because he has been one of the most forceful in a good way AGs in the country.

00:10:02.000 And they want to make an example.

00:10:03.000 It's a show trial.

00:10:04.000 This is not about a defense of Ken Paxton's personal life.

00:10:07.000 This is that he was bold enough to enforce the law in a way that most Republican AGs won't, and they want to make an example.

00:10:14.000 The reason we're hearing about any of this is because he's effective.

00:10:17.000 And before I get lectured by anybody else, if I choose, if I picked the 50 AGs across the country, unfortunately, I bet one out of five are actively having affairs.

00:10:25.000 It's what happens in politics.

00:10:26.000 I don't like it.

00:10:28.000 But this is not a reason all of a sudden pander to the Democrats and pander to the Unit Party to remove A.G. Paxton, who's done a wonderful job.

00:10:35.000 John, thank you so much.

00:10:36.000 I appreciate it.

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00:14:28.000 Okay, I want to go to the story here that I hope is not true.

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00:14:36.000 So when I first got my start at Turning Point USA, I spoke at a lot of National Federation of Republican Women events, NFRW.

00:14:48.000 They're great.

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00:14:51.000 They are grassroots.

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00:14:54.000 But there's a controversy that has come up here with the NFRW.

00:15:00.000 According to WND.com, and I verified this through a couple other sources, the National Federation of Republican Women refuse to pass a resolution saying that biological men who think they are women are not allowed to come into the NFRW.

00:15:16.000 Eileen Sobjak, who is the head of the organization, oh, I'm sorry, the NFRW's national president, Eileen Sobjek, on advice from the organization's attorney, fears a lawsuit saying that if we make this, addressing this issue would end us, saying that biological men are not allowed in the organization.

00:15:37.000 I will not let this issue be our demise.

00:15:40.000 Sobjak continued.

00:15:42.000 Laura Carlson, who is the woman leading the effort to get the NFRW to align with a very popular GOP and women's cause, how about this defending real women's spaces from being infiltrated by trans fake women, says she and her allies would be willing to raise the money necessary, obviously, for the challenges. 0.55

00:15:58.000 But Eileen Sobjek is saying that this would be too costly from attorneys for us to pass a resolution for the National Federation of Republican Women to say what a woman is. 0.80

00:16:11.000 The National Republican Women's Organization is afraid of lawsuits.

00:16:16.000 This is a huge disappointment.

00:16:18.000 I hope that there's more to this story.

00:16:20.000 If any of you are part of the NFRW or any of the state chapters who do a great job, objectively a great job, they have their biennial conference coming up in Oklahoma City later this month.

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00:16:36.000 We don't want the lawsuits.

00:16:37.000 If the NFRW, the National Federation of Republican Women, can't define what a woman is, we got serious problems.

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00:16:46.000 If you know anybody in the leadership of NFRW or aware of it, I would hope that the premier women's organization and the Republican side can define what a woman is.

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00:17:38.000 Joining us now is one of my favorite guests, a courageous truth teller, Dr. Pierre Corey, author of the book, The War on Ivermectin, The Medicine That Saved Millions and Could Have Ended the Pandemic.

00:17:48.000 Dr. Corey, welcome back.

00:17:49.000 I'm here.

00:17:50.000 I want to discuss this Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans, a ruled in favor of three doctors allowing to move forward with their lawsuit, saying the FDA abused its authority with the anti-Ivermectin messaging to Americans, saying that the FDA is not a physician.

00:18:04.000 Dr. Corey, explain this to us.

00:18:07.000 Yeah, so, you know, let's go back to the original court case, right?

00:18:10.000 So when we, when Paul and Mary Tally Bowden and Robert Apter brought their lawsuit against the FDA for essentially infringing and interfering with the physicians' ability to practice medicine, you know, the FDA argued that they had sovereign immunity and they could not be sued.

00:18:27.000 And that lower court judge actually, you know, dismissed the case based on that argument, which is absolutely absurd.

00:18:33.000 And then it went to a higher court.

00:18:34.000 And what happened here is the higher court said, no, no, no.

00:18:37.000 This is absolutely a case of the FDA overstepping its authority.

00:18:42.000 They're interfering with the practice of medicine.

00:18:44.000 And, you know, in my words, I'm going to say this, this is really an example of the integrity of our government in how they practice public health.

00:18:52.000 I mean, they're literally influencing the behavior of citizens, physicians, hospitals with pithy little tweets, you know, on Twitter.

00:19:01.000 This is absurd.

00:19:02.000 This is our federal government and its agencies.

00:19:05.000 You know, and so this is a really, I think this sends a loud message.

00:19:09.000 This is like, I'll use a baseball analogy, Charlie, like this is a brushback pitch, right?

00:19:14.000 So we're under federal regulatory.

00:19:15.000 It's a little chin music, as we would call it in baseball, right? 0.90

00:19:18.000 Yes.

00:19:18.000 Yeah.

00:19:20.000 Well said.

00:19:21.000 And, you know, it's, yeah, it's a brushback pitch because listen, we know the agencies are working in the service of the pharmaceutical industry.

00:19:27.000 And we know that's why they were attacking Ivermectin.

00:19:30.000 They did it in this way.

00:19:31.000 It was highly effective because, Charlie, let's recognize what happened in the wake of that tweet, right?

00:19:36.000 So suddenly it just snowballed, and you had hospitals removing it from their formularies, pharmacists around the country stopping to fill.

00:19:44.000 You know, many patients didn't know that they could seek it out or that it was effective.

00:19:47.000 And so it was immensely damaging.

00:19:50.000 And now they're getting called to task.

00:19:52.000 And so I think this is a huge case.

00:19:55.000 This decision is massive.

00:19:56.000 In my opinion, Charlie, this is the win because this is the message that sends them that they can't do this again.

00:20:03.000 Otherwise, this is going to happen.

00:20:04.000 And by the way, I don't know if you saw or saw some of the transcripts of the hearing. 0.99

00:20:08.000 The FDA lawyer looked like a fool. 0.98

00:20:11.000 I mean, those arguments were just couldn't stand up. 1.00

00:20:14.000 And the absurdity came out.

00:20:16.000 And I think that's what's important.

00:20:18.000 And I want to just read this tweet.

00:20:20.000 This is your federal government, everybody.

00:20:22.000 This is as if a 19-year-old that is the head of some sorority Twitter account who's kind of like snark queen ends up getting the FDA's Twitter account.

00:20:35.000 Quote, you are not a horse.

00:20:36.000 You are not a cow.

00:20:37.000 Seriously, y'all, stop it.

00:20:40.000 Why you should not use ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19?

00:20:44.000 So the federal government comes in and is setting out these sarcastic, pithy tweets, mocking doctors' decisions.

00:20:53.000 And the engagement was: well, 108,000 people liked it, 47,000 people reposted it or retweeted it.

00:21:01.000 And so, Dr. Corey, this is an important issue, which I have been told by a lot of people, Charlie, what happens to a doctor and a patient is private between a doctor and a patient, that you have HIPAA, that you should never challenge that.

00:21:15.000 And regardless of the audience's opinions on abortion, that is the argument they always make on the abortion thing.

00:21:21.000 It's just a fact, right?

00:21:22.000 This is a medical procedure.

00:21:23.000 Don't get in the way of it.

00:21:24.000 Okay, fine.

00:21:25.000 Let's put that aside.

00:21:26.000 However, when it came to the administration of a drug where you do not know the whole patient's history, off-label use, it was this blunt forced instrument from the government to tell every doctor you can't use this, regardless of the fact that ivermectin won a Nobel Prize.

00:21:44.000 They kept early treatments out of our hands.

00:21:47.000 And so, Dr. Corey, just riff on this.

00:21:51.000 This was one of the great, not just censorship.

00:21:54.000 Is it unfair to say that the FDA has blood on its hands?

00:21:57.000 That how many lives were lost because of this?

00:22:00.000 I mean, in this country, hundreds of thousands to millions across the globe, it's massive.

00:22:05.000 Because, you know, Charlie, I mean, the U.S. federal health agencies have a larger reach than the U.S.

00:22:10.000 I mean, so their behaviors ripped across the globe.

00:22:13.000 I mean, they set examples.

00:22:14.000 A lot of agencies fall in lockstep around the world, like Europeans and whatnot.

00:22:18.000 But, you know, I like your point.

00:22:20.000 I mean, we're talking about the government entering the exam room, which is private between a doctor and a patient, right?

00:22:27.000 They are literally violating the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act by trying to practice medicine.

00:22:33.000 They're interfering with the practice of knowledge.

00:22:35.000 They have no statutory authority to do that.

00:22:38.000 And, you know, this is so important going forward, right?

00:22:41.000 Again, we need to stop this interference and again, support the doctors and their autonomy.

00:22:47.000 And I like your point.

00:22:47.000 I mean, this is an FDA-approved drug.

00:22:49.000 You know, even in their defense of this decision, so the FDA put out statements, you know, saying, you know, okay, you know, it's okay to prescribe, but we still haven't approved it.

00:22:57.000 You know, that is such a misleading statement.

00:22:59.000 We do not need the FDA to approve this drug.

00:23:02.000 It's already FDA proven.

00:23:03.000 It's off-label use.

00:23:04.000 And you're absolutely correct about that.

00:23:06.000 And again, I think this is really important that people pay attention to what's going on.

00:23:12.000 And, you know, one other point, Charlie, is let's put this in a little historical context.

00:23:17.000 Before COVID, you know what regulated or kind of restricted my behavior was essentially fear of malpractice.

00:23:24.000 It was on me.

00:23:25.000 It was my responsibility.

00:23:26.000 Let's say I was going to use a drug that was ineffective and had some dangers, yet I still thought it would work.

00:23:31.000 And I did that and it harmed the patient.

00:23:34.000 That's my responsibility.

00:23:35.000 I'm going to be held accountable for that.

00:23:36.000 But this very personal individual, I don't need the government interfering, telling me what to do and whatnot.

00:23:42.000 What do they know about medicine?

00:23:43.000 Have they ever seen a COVID patient?

00:23:45.000 Have they ever treated a used ivermectin?

00:23:47.000 I mean, it's absolutely unconscionable, really, what's going on here.

00:23:52.000 Yeah, it's this massive contradiction.

00:23:54.000 At one point, they're telling us when it comes to, you know, transgender reassignment surgeries and abortion, again, that privacy and the sacrosanct decisions of doctors cannot be questioned.

00:24:06.000 And yet, when it comes to the treatment of somebody who has something where they might die, the FDA has a one-size-fits-all policy.

00:24:13.000 And so, Dr. Corey, you and I have played around with this topic before, but I want to really lean into it.

00:24:18.000 Regulatory capture.

00:24:20.000 This is something that some people refuse to acknowledge or believe.

00:24:23.000 I think it's starting to get out.

00:24:25.000 You said something.

00:24:26.000 You said that these agencies are nothing more than taxpayer-funded extensions of Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, Johnson, and Johnson.

00:24:34.000 Please elaborate on that.

00:24:35.000 So, what I've said now for two, maybe three years is every time you look at any policy on any aspect of COVID, and you see that being omitted from whether it's the FDA statements, CDC policies, NIH, ask yourself one simple question: What would a pharmaceutical company want this policy to look like?

00:24:53.000 Then read the policy.

00:24:55.000 Ask yourself, who is best served by this policy?

00:24:58.000 You know, all of these mandates that are illegitimate, this recent FOIA request, where literally the vaccine committees at the FDA knew that there was very little efficacy of the mandates in September 21, yet they mandated across the country, corporations, universities, schools.

00:25:16.000 And it's so brazen, but that regulatory capture is so clear.

00:25:20.000 I mean, if people think that our agencies are working in the service of our betterment of our health, they are not, right?

00:25:27.000 So, what is the primary responsibility of a pharmaceutical corporation?

00:25:31.000 It's to their shareholder.

00:25:33.000 It's about making money.

00:25:34.000 Health is absolutely secondary.

00:25:36.000 The history of that industry is such.

00:25:38.000 And if you look at the destruction wrought in COVID, it's literally these agencies working in the service of industry running rampant over our lives, our health, our liberties.

00:25:48.000 And I've never could never have imagined three years ago that it would be this extreme, where literally every day of our lives, every facet of our lives is now being interfered with and really deteriorating because of the overreach of the government.

00:26:04.000 Well, and this is for some people a red pill moment or just an eye-opening moment because, Dr. Corey, the way that I was taught growing up is that there was an adversarial relationship between the bureaucracies and companies, that Pfizer is fighting the FDA and the FDA is fighting Pfizer.

00:26:20.000 And they're constantly going after, you can't do this, you have to do that, and you have to make this.

00:26:24.000 And they're constantly suing one another.

00:26:26.000 What COVID revealed is that they're in a jacuzzi together, Dr. Corey.

00:26:30.000 Yeah, you know, and I'm going to speak personally here, Joey.

00:26:34.000 I mean, I grew up in New York City liberal, liberal, you know, voted Democrat my whole life.

00:26:39.000 And, you know, going into COVID, what we just talked about, learning that what I thought was our government is not our government.

00:26:47.000 They're literally working on the behest of corporations.

00:26:49.000 And you're right.

00:26:49.000 The government's role, I used to always be kind of pro-government because I thought they were like the referee leveling the playing field.

00:26:56.000 They were there to protect us again from the rapaciousness of corporations.

00:27:01.000 Now, when you see that the ref is literally being paid off by the other side, and all the calls they're making are going, like, how can you win?

00:27:10.000 You're not only going to lose, but you're going to lose hugely.

00:27:13.000 And that is what happened in COVID.

00:27:15.000 We lost so much, trillions of dollars.

00:27:18.000 Our health, you know, excess mortality is exploding.

00:27:21.000 Birth rates are dropping.

00:27:22.000 I mean, I can't imagine a more outsized loss than what's happened once the ref starts calling all the shots for the other side.

00:27:31.000 It's very important.

00:27:32.000 The War on Ivermectin by Dr. Pierre Corey.

00:27:35.000 And this is a topic I want to explain.

00:27:37.000 And Dr. Corey, you're so disciplined, and I don't mean to politicize this, but I think it's a fact when we go through this part.

00:27:42.000 By the way, both Republicans and Democrats screwed up COVID, but here's a fact: okay, is that if we would have had early treatments, the cascade of other tyrannical things would have been stopped.

00:27:52.000 School closures, mass mail-in voting, even potentially riots because of the pent-up, you know, just energy that people had.

00:28:00.000 And so, if you look at the cause set in motion, this is why they had to choke point ivermectin.

00:28:07.000 This is why they had to choke point the idea of early treatments.

00:28:10.000 That if there were early treatments, then you wouldn't have to have the vaccine.

00:28:15.000 If there were early treatments, then you wouldn't have to have mask mandates.

00:28:18.000 So, it's not just it's yes, the lives are obviously the most important takeaway, but look at all the other second, third, fourth, fifth sequence tragedies that occurred because we were not able to administer ivermectin.

00:28:32.000 The war on ivermectin, the medicine that helped millions and could have ended the pandemic.

00:28:37.000 And you could go even as far as say that you could get a one-world government order all the way through if you don't have early treatments.

00:28:45.000 Think about that.

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00:29:46.000 So, Dr. Corey, I know that we have reached a new level where here I am at Grand Teton National Park and people are wearing masks on the hiking trail.

00:29:55.000 Not just one, but I'm talking about not a lot.

00:29:58.000 I mean, I'd say 10%.

00:29:59.000 They're wearing N95s.

00:30:02.000 And I go to the grocery store locally, more and more masks.

00:30:05.000 And so, Dr. Corey, it looks like they're heating up again.

00:30:07.000 They're doing the slow windup, right?

00:30:10.000 They got the criminal Fauci out there.

00:30:12.000 You know, he's starting to say that, oh, you know, we might need more.

00:30:15.000 You got all these sorts of whisper campaigns is now getting to the shouting match.

00:30:19.000 In fact, I think we have, I think we have a Fauci clip here that the team, oh, yeah, let's just go to cut one here, and then we'll let you react.

00:30:28.000 Go to cut one.

00:30:29.000 The most rigorous and comprehensive analysis of scientific studies conducted on the efficacy of masks for reducing the spread of respiratory illness, including COVID-19, was published last month.

00:30:39.000 Its conclusions said Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist who is the lead author, were unambiguous.

00:30:45.000 There is just no evidence that they masks make any difference.

00:30:50.000 How do we get beyond that finding of that particular review?

00:30:54.000 Yeah, but there are other studies, Michael, that show at an individual level for individual, when you're talking about the effect on the epidemic or the pandemic as a whole, the data are less strong.

00:31:07.000 Okay, Dr. Corey, you're going to have to explain the newspeak because I'm not as cultured to understand what the heck he's talking about.

00:31:15.000 Yeah, what he says, unfortunately, doesn't make scientific sense.

00:31:19.000 I mean, when you look at all the collections of studies, they did study individual protection, and there's no sustained or significant signal to show that it'll have individual protection.

00:31:30.000 I mean, for sure, we know from epidemiology that mask mandates, public mask mandates don't work.

00:31:34.000 But those, you know, a lot of those studies were in focus groups and they followed individual patients.

00:31:39.000 And there's nothing conclusive to show that it helps.

00:31:42.000 And, you know, that example you just gave me, Charlie, of people wearing masks and grantee Tom Park, the way I am.

00:31:48.000 100% true.

00:31:50.000 Yeah.

00:31:51.000 It's just the results of the fearsome power of propaganda and repetition, right?

00:31:56.000 It's that combination of inject fear.

00:31:58.000 This variant's going to get you.

00:32:00.000 Masks works.

00:32:01.000 And then it sets you up for the savior, which is the vaccine.

00:32:03.000 And just keep repeating it.

00:32:04.000 Wear your mask, wear your mask, wear your mask.

00:32:07.000 And so many of our population are going to fall into those repeated suggestions combined with the fear of getting sick.

00:32:13.000 And they're always fear-mongering.

00:32:14.000 And I just feel bad.

00:32:16.000 I'm glad people, you out there talking sense, getting people to think critically and not fall for this relentless propaganda.

00:32:23.000 And by the way, when I see this, this uptake, Charlie, it's literally, I'm sorry to be blunt here.

00:32:28.000 This is an advertising campaign to sell more vaccines.

00:32:31.000 Vaccine uptake has plummeted.

00:32:33.000 How are you going to pick up vaccine uptake?

00:32:36.000 You're going to do the same thing you did two years ago.

00:32:39.000 Fear, propaganda, censorship, period.

00:32:43.000 I just want everyone to just kind of take a second and understand what Dr. Corey is saying there.

00:32:48.000 You have people that see declining profits and then they meet in a room and say, let's make people afraid.

00:32:54.000 That's what Dr. Corey is saying.

00:32:56.000 We're not making as much money as we want to make.

00:32:59.000 So let's go manipulate the masses so they run around like sheep and they're in a state of fear.

00:33:04.000 That is a very, very deep point.

00:33:06.000 I want to ask really quick, the current risk assessment, is it fair to say the CDC is saying that the BA 2.86, whatever, may be more capable of causing infection of people who have had the vaccine.

00:33:17.000 What's going on here?

00:33:18.000 Yeah, I mean, that statement, they're basically just, you know, I think it's a tacit admission that they're saying the vaccine, those vaccinated, it's not going to protect you from this new variant.

00:33:28.000 And they're also saying that about natural immunity.

00:33:30.000 So basically saying this variant is more likely to evade either natural or vaccine immunity, which another way of saying that that's also a little bit of setup is go get your new vaccine.

00:33:39.000 Now, the evidence that some new vaccine is going to protect, the one they're rolling out now is already, you know, a dollar late and, you know, a few steps short.

00:33:47.000 You know, this, I mean, this absurdity of a global vaccination campaign for a highly mutagenic coronavirus, I mean, it was illogical before this started.

00:33:58.000 And we've had nothing but three years of evidence to show vaccinating against a mutagenic coronavirus does not work.

00:34:04.000 And yet they keep doing it to that point that you and I just made it sells an awful lot of vaccines.

00:34:09.000 I mean, you know, this whole construct of the fear, you know, the onerous and oppressive government essentially forcing us to do this, do that, to get your vaccine.

00:34:18.000 I mean, it's led to immense transfers of wealth.

00:34:21.000 I mean, let's be clear about this.

00:34:23.000 I mean, there are people who have benefited from this whole construct, and it's not the common thing.

00:34:29.000 This is right.

00:34:30.000 And so here we are.

00:34:32.000 I was in Jackson and I was talking to the local restaurant doors.

00:34:34.000 They said, Charlie, the billionaires are replacing the millionaires.

00:34:37.000 COVID has been a boom industry for the oligarchs.

00:34:39.000 The oligarchs are more powerful.

00:34:41.000 They are more determined.

00:34:43.000 And they have more control over society than after COVID.

00:34:46.000 Makes you think.

00:34:47.000 Dr. Corey, we're out of time.

00:34:48.000 Warren Ivermectin.

00:34:49.000 Check out the book.

00:34:50.000 We're getting lots of emails, by the way, Dr. Corey.

00:34:52.000 People love the book.

00:34:52.000 It's very powerful, especially as they're trying this again.

00:34:55.000 Read the book, The Warren Ivermectin.

00:34:57.000 Dr. Corey, come back soon.

00:34:58.000 Thank you.

00:35:02.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:03.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:07.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - September 05, 2023

The Vast Graveyard of Ivermectin Lies with Dr. Pierre Kory and John O'Shea

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