The Charlie Kirk Show - The War Against Harvard ft. Chris Rufo

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 Christopher Rufo joins the show, all about disparate impact, affirmative action, DEI, and Harvard and Princeton.

00:00:09.000 And secondly, we then have Senator Mark Wayne Mullen from the great state of Oklahoma talk about Pete Hegseth, Kash Patel, and one big, beautiful bill.

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00:00:21.000 Here we go.

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00:01:20.000 I want to dive right into it.

00:01:22.000 Joining us right off of the top is Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, friend of mine, and we want to get into the news of the day.

00:01:27.000 There's a lot that we need to cover, including Pete Hegseth.

00:01:32.000 Pete Hegseth is a friend of both of ours who's under relentless assault, even though recruitment is up and procurement is in the right direction and military exercises are up and war games are up and the woke stuff is gone.

00:01:45.000 Pete Hegseth, by all objective outside measurements, is succeeding, and despite that, he is under merciless assault.

00:01:51.000 Senator Mark Wayne Mullen is with us now.

00:01:53.000 Senator, great to see you.

00:01:54.000 Thank you for taking the time.

00:01:55.000 I believe Pete Hegseth is doing a great job.

00:01:58.000 No one liked what happened with the Signal Gate situation.

00:02:00.000 To blame that all on Pete is outrageous and wrong.

00:02:03.000 In fact, that is a sloppy and very shallow and politically motivated analysis.

00:02:09.000 What's going on with our friend Pete Hegseth?

00:02:10.000 What is the latest, and what are your Senate colleagues saying?

00:02:13.000 Senator, thank you.

00:02:14.000 I'll tell you, the Senate Republican GOP is standing solid behind Pete.

00:02:18.000 We understand this is this attack, another character assassination, trying to get rid of a guy because he's daring to challenge status quo.

00:02:28.000 He's made some big changes inside DOD, and we know they needed to be made.

00:02:33.000 And so since he's ruffling feathers, he's also made some enemies throughout the media and obviously throughout the Democrat Party.

00:02:41.000 I will tell you, our support hasn't changed.

00:02:44.000 My support hasn't changed.

00:02:45.000 Pete is doing exactly what he needs to do.

00:02:48.000 We had a bloated Department of Defense that went woke.

00:02:53.000 Went woke.

00:02:55.000 They had started leaning in towards a Democrat party that has lost their direction of understanding what lethality is, what mission ready is.

00:03:06.000 And about the warfighter, they became very risk adverse and tried to play politics.

00:03:13.000 You can't win wars and you can't deter our enemies by playing politics.

00:03:18.000 And Pete is restoring the DOD's mission.

00:03:22.000 And that hasn't changed.

00:03:24.000 We're going to stand strong with him no matter what type of onslaught and slander the media and the left want to throw at him.

00:03:30.000 And I want to dive deeper, though.

00:03:33.000 I mean, how are your Senate colleagues thinking about this?

00:03:36.000 It's no surprise that he had a tough confirmation fight, and I'm glad he's survived it, and thank you for being a champion of that.

00:03:45.000 Are there murmurs about this on Capitol Hill?

00:03:49.000 How are the Senate...

00:03:50.000 Let's just say old bulls thinking about Pete Hegseth's job right now, and what should our audience be aware of? 0.97

00:03:58.000 Well, I would tell you the majority of the GOPs is solidly behind him.

00:04:04.000 I will say that we're having, and I don't want to talk about this one person by name, Charlie.

00:04:09.000 I want to be very respectful because we have a meeting.

00:04:12.000 Monday afternoon when I get there in his office.

00:04:15.000 But we have one member on the SASC, which is a Senate Committee on Armed Services, that is trying to ruffle feathers a little bit.

00:04:26.000 He's the same individual we had some problems with with Pete's confirmation too.

00:04:31.000 So this doesn't come at any surprise.

00:04:34.000 But we feel like there's a way to get around it.

00:04:38.000 One thing that we're trying to keep from happening is actually allowing the Democrats To have a hearing on this, because the hearing wouldn't be for production.

00:04:45.000 It would be for promotion and a production for them to be able to go out and show their base, their fighting, and stir up stuff.

00:04:54.000 If it was actually a meeting of substance, we would maybe up for it.

00:04:59.000 But we're going to work around that.

00:05:01.000 And so out of all 53 senators...

00:05:05.000 Even the three that voted against him, they are not saying anything.

00:05:09.000 It's just one individual on the committee that I feel like we can work out some differences of.

00:05:14.000 And we've talked multiple times, so I feel very strong that we're standing with Pete.

00:05:19.000 I'm glad to hear that.

00:05:20.000 And look, I completely agree.

00:05:22.000 The last thing we want is some sort of a waste of time hearing.

00:05:26.000 Where we're not going to learn anything, but Democrats get to go fundraise off of all of it and get to go on cable television.

00:05:32.000 Nothing fruitful will come out of that.

00:05:34.000 So speaking of your Senate colleagues, Senator Van Hollen from Maryland just went down to El Salvador.

00:05:40.000 Let's play cut 235 to begin.

00:05:42.000 Let's play cut 235.

00:05:43.000 But you told my colleague Dana Bash yesterday that you did not ask Abrego Garcia whether or not he's actually in MS-13.

00:05:50.000 You said you know what his answer is.

00:05:52.000 But how do you know if you did not ask him?

00:05:57.000 Well, because I know what he's said many times in court, and that's the proper forum for debating this.

00:06:04.000 So he goes all the way down to El Salvador to try and petition to get a non-American from El Salvador to come back to America, who obviously is part of MS-13.

00:06:16.000 Senator, what's going on here?

00:06:18.000 Not just non-American.

00:06:21.000 He entered the country illegally.

00:06:23.000 Two judges had already said and already suggested that he should be deported.

00:06:28.000 He had a rap sheet since he's been inside the United States.

00:06:32.000 Keep in mind, his first time to have contact with the police, he had a wad of cash, he had baggies of drugs, and he had cash that had the symbol, hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil, which is a direct coalition to...

00:06:47.000 To MS-13.

00:06:49.000 So he had ties to him.

00:06:51.000 And so there's no question about it.

00:06:53.000 But here you have Senator Van Hollen, who spent taxpayer dollars to fly down to meet with an illegal alien that entered the country illegally, that had broke the law since he'd been here, that had ties to an organization.

00:07:06.000 And it's not just us.

00:07:08.000 The court had said this too.

00:07:09.000 He can deny it all he wants, but most criminals deny their crimes anyways.

00:07:13.000 So for Van Hollen not to look him in the eye and ask the question tells you all you need to know about this radical Democrat party.

00:07:20.000 They don't care.

00:07:22.000 It's not about what's doing right.

00:07:24.000 It's about a message piece.

00:07:27.000 It's about getting promotion.

00:07:28.000 It's about seeing what they can do to have 15 minutes of fame.

00:07:33.000 And that's all that Senator Van Hollen did here.

00:07:35.000 He wasn't trying to solve a problem.

00:07:37.000 He saw an opportunity that he felt like he could get on national TV for.

00:07:41.000 And guess what?

00:07:42.000 He has.

00:07:42.000 But his constituents should see that he's not fighting for the rule of law.

00:07:46.000 He's fighting for himself so he doesn't get caught up in this same situation that Chuck Schumer's caught up in and could cost him his office.

00:07:55.000 You don't have Democrats that are serving for the good of the American people.

00:08:00.000 You have Democrats that are self-serving themselves.

00:08:01.000 And that's what's happening inside the Democrat Party right now.

00:08:05.000 We're hearing from the Trump White House.

00:08:08.000 We're hearing from Kevin Hassett.

00:08:09.000 Big, beautiful bill is coming.

00:08:11.000 I know I've asked you about this for quite some time.

00:08:13.000 Bring us into the room.

00:08:14.000 Bring the audience into the room from the ability that you are able to share.

00:08:17.000 What are the negotiations like?

00:08:19.000 Is it a mood of optimism?

00:08:21.000 Is it one of hope that we're going to get this thing done?

00:08:24.000 It's just a matter of ironing out the details.

00:08:27.000 So, real quick, we're ironing out the details on tax, permanent law versus permanent policy or current policy.

00:08:35.000 We'll get into that.

00:08:36.000 We are very optimistic.

00:08:37.000 We feel like our timeline, it's not set in stone, but our timeline, we would love to be able to deliver this to the president's desk before Memorial Weekend.

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00:10:00.000 Let me just kind of go through three things.

00:10:02.000 No tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and then finally the kind of middle-class tax cut, no tax on Social Security.

00:10:09.000 Is this a realistic thing that you think we're going to get in the big, beautiful bill?

00:10:12.000 Well, we can't do – there's some stuff in Social Security we can't get to, so there's some of the no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and no tax on Social Security that may not fit within the Byrd rule.

00:10:23.000 We're going through that process.

00:10:25.000 Either way, we're still going to bring it back in a separate package because the president said he wants that.

00:10:29.000 American people said they wanted that, so we're going to try getting it done. 0.99

00:10:32.000 If we can do it in reconciliation, that's great.

00:10:34.000 Now, and this is the way I describe...

00:10:36.000 The House doesn't have to deal with the Byrd rule.

00:10:39.000 We do.

00:10:39.000 So what the budget did is it instructed the Senate more than instructed the House on what can and can't go into the bill.

00:10:46.000 Remember, you only get one shot at it.

00:10:48.000 If you get the bill and you send it up and it's against the Byrd rule, you've got to scrap the bill, redo the whole thing all over again.

00:10:56.000 So we have to work with the parliamentarian moving forward.

00:10:59.000 The best way to describe it is the House can put it in there.

00:11:01.000 The House can put whatever they want into a bill.

00:11:03.000 But that's kind of considering the House can walk into a warehouse through the open dock door, and once they get in, they have to close it, and then the Senate has to knock the glass out of the top part of it and try to squeeze everything in through the Byrd rule.

00:11:16.000 So we don't know if it can get in there or not.

00:11:19.000 We've got a bill that addresses it, that tries to make it in, but remember, it's an appropriation bill, so some of the stuff with Social Security can't be touched in it.

00:11:30.000 Got it.

00:11:32.000 Just one last question on this, spending cuts, and I do want to get to the Milwaukee judge.

00:11:37.000 Just one minute on spending cuts.

00:11:39.000 What can we expect?

00:11:40.000 Because tax cuts are wonderful, but if we do not have equal, if not greater, spending cuts, then we're just going to keep on driving up the deficit.

00:11:48.000 Are your colleagues thinking in this way?

00:11:50.000 Yeah, so there's two ways.

00:11:52.000 Absolutely.

00:11:52.000 Our target is 1.5.

00:11:54.000 Trillion dollars.

00:11:55.000 That's our target of cuts, 1.5 trillion.

00:11:58.000 I feel like we can hit that, but it's hard once you really get in there because, you know, everybody's got great ideas, but when you actually put the concept down on how it's going to be delivered, it's tough.

00:12:07.000 Now, through rescission...

00:12:08.000 Not through reconciliation.

00:12:10.000 We may be able to get even more cuts through rescission.

00:12:13.000 So basically, rescission and reconciliation runs together, right?

00:12:16.000 In fact, we're doing rescission, we're doing reconciliation, we're doing budget.

00:12:21.000 Rescission, basically, and Elon and I had a conversation about this yesterday, that anything that isn't appropriated by Congress...

00:12:28.000 Meaning that this, like USAID, that wasn't reauthorized by Congress and we didn't directly appropriate dollars for those programs they were doing, they can be rescinded.

00:12:39.000 And when they're rescinded, now they can also be taken away and the president chooses not to spend it.

00:12:45.000 But when you rescind it and he sends it to Congress as a rescission package, if Congress votes on it to rescind it, then the next president can't come up and just restart the program.

00:12:58.000 Decision makes this stuff permanent.

00:13:00.000 So we're working really close with Doge and Elon to get this done.

00:13:03.000 Then reconciliation, we can go back in farther and make cuts to the agencies themselves, which is where we're going to be targeting $1.5 trillion.

00:13:13.000 And really, I'm telling you, that's our target.

00:13:15.000 We may be able to do more than that.

00:13:17.000 I don't want to give people false hope.

00:13:19.000 When we really start putting the pen and paper together, that's our target $1.5 trillion.

00:13:25.000 And then we're going to slowly get our house back in order.

00:13:27.000 What we're really trying to do is get back, and I think Ron Johnson has said this the best, we'd really like to get to 2019 spending levels pre-COVID.

00:13:36.000 And that way we can actually have a true path to balance the budget.

00:13:40.000 And the president has said, made it very clear, he wants to balance the budget.

00:13:45.000 Why he's in office.

00:13:46.000 And we want to deliver that for him.

00:13:49.000 But keep in mind, we probably need to try doing that.

00:13:52.000 If we can't do it in FY26, we're going to definitely have to do it by FY28 because, God forbid, something happens in the midterm and we were to lose one of the chambers, no way the Democrat Party is going to let us balance the budget.

00:14:02.000 They're going to be uninterested in that.

00:14:03.000 You're caught up to speed now on the arrest of Judge Hannah Dugan out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, charges of obstruction.

00:14:10.000 What's going on here?

00:14:11.000 Well, I'm glad that Cash made this public because he's been taking on a little heat from our base.

00:14:19.000 Actually, Cash and Pam both want to know what are they doing.

00:14:22.000 They need to get started.

00:14:23.000 This just shows you that they do a lot of stuff behind closed doors and they can't do it in public, but they're acting fast on it.

00:14:29.000 I mean, this is just a case that actually developed a week ago that Cash was able to put the information together and arrest a judge for obstruction of justice, for literally a running blocker.

00:14:45.000 Cash and Pam are working every day to get this woke, political-motivated bench literally and start holding them accountable.

00:14:55.000 But it's difficult.

00:14:57.000 And I hope our base will realize you're going to see stories like this trickle out.

00:15:02.000 But just because you're not seeing them out there every day, most cases they're talking about they can't talk about until afterward.

00:15:10.000 Senator, thank you so much.

00:15:11.000 Keep fighting hard.

00:15:11.000 Come back soon.

00:15:12.000 Have a great weekend.

00:15:13.000 Thank you.

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00:16:16.000 Joining us now is Christopher Ruffo, Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute.

00:16:21.000 Christopher, great to see you.

00:16:22.000 Thank you for taking the time today.

00:16:24.000 You have a major story here that I know that you've been focusing on.

00:16:29.000 Tell our audience about the disparate impact study that you have been on and what that actually means in practice.

00:16:37.000 Christopher Ruffo, the floor is yours.

00:16:39.000 Well, right now we are doing a series of investigations into the Ivy League universities, beginning with Princeton.

00:16:46.000 And the president of Princeton is a man named Christopher Eisgruber, who a couple of years ago said that Princeton was systemically racist.

00:16:54.000 And he was right, but not in the way that he imagined.

00:16:57.000 From the documents that we've obtained, the faculty that we've interviewed, we found that he has built a system of discrimination against whites, Asians, and Jews.

00:17:07.000 Especially men from those different racial categories that are in total violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the 14th Amendment. 0.78

00:17:16.000 And so these documents from our report have now rocketed around the Department of Justice.

00:17:23.000 And I think what's going to happen with these Ivy League universities is that they're going to be caught doing something illegal, but for the first time ever because the Trump administration is taking up these issues in a real way.

00:17:35.000 They're actually going to pay an enormous price, and that's what we're seeing not just at Princeton, but really almost everywhere in higher education.

00:17:44.000 So let's go deeper into that.

00:17:46.000 Is it really a true quote that, quote, don't hire white men unless absolutely necessary?

00:17:52.000 Is that a real quote out of Princeton University?

00:17:55.000 That is a real quote, and it's not just a singular incident.

00:17:59.000 My sources on the faculty at Princeton have said there is a...

00:18:03.000 A kind of spoken and unspoken assumption in hiring that you have to do everything you can to avoid hiring white men in particular.

00:18:13.000 And in this case, a professor was told explicitly, you cannot hire this person because he's a white man.

00:18:19.000 This professor went to the department chair, who happens to be Jewish, and said, hey, this is what we did at Princeton to Jews, you know, 70, 80 years ago.

00:18:30.000 It's discrimination and it's wrong.

00:18:32.000 And this department chair responded simply, this is what we have to do.

00:18:36.000 And so this is the kind of rot inside academia that has been festering for a long time.

00:18:42.000 It's finally coming to the surface.

00:18:44.000 And I know that Harmeet Dillon, who's at the Department of Justice Civil Rights as the deputy secretary, she's taking a close look at these policies.

00:18:55.000 And she is a very good and very tough lawyer, as you know.

00:18:59.000 And I don't think she's going to pull any punches.

00:19:01.000 So all this has come to a head, obviously, with Harvard and President Trump signing executive orders.

00:19:07.000 You did mention something with Princeton.

00:19:09.000 They are in blatant violation of federal law.

00:19:11.000 And Harvard, by the way, has been ignoring, just flatly ignoring federal law.

00:19:16.000 Saying that, oh yeah, okay, fine, the Supreme Court ruled this, we don't really care.

00:19:21.000 What penalties, what realistic penalties can the Trump administration usher and issue?

00:19:29.000 When these colleges are actively discriminating against white people, and I just want the audience to imagine. 0.88

00:19:34.000 Imagine if Princeton University was caught saying, don't hire black men unless absolutely necessary.

00:19:39.000 I mean, it would be the number one news story on the planet for three months straight, and there would have to be marches and all that. 0.58

00:19:46.000 But it's actually perfectly okay at Princeton to say, don't hire white men unless absolutely necessary. 0.56

00:19:51.000 What can we do to actually hold these universities and penalize them for this?

00:19:56.000 Well, we face a really critical question about our Constitution and our law.

00:20:01.000 Does the law apply to all groups equally, or does the law apply to certain groups but not other groups?

00:20:08.000 My contention is that we can only have a great country if the law applies to everyone equally.

00:20:13.000 And so we should approach this with just as much urgency as President Eisenhower approached it in the 1950s and President Kennedy approached it in the 1960s.

00:20:22.000 I think we have three basic remedies.

00:20:24.000 The first remedy is what the president has already put on the table, stripping federal funds from these institutions which are in violation of federal law.

00:20:33.000 The second remedy is what's called a consent decree, which has been used by the left on police departments and other institutions, which basically means you put these universities under the control of a legal process and a federal judge who will oversee the administration from the inside to ensure that they're not discriminating.

00:20:54.000 And then there's the third option that was used by Eisenhower and Kennedy, which is to send in federal troops, to send in the 101st airborne, to force these universities to desegregate, to stop discriminating and stop scapegoating.

00:21:09.000 That's, of course, an ultimate option.

00:21:11.000 I don't think we're there yet, but we should absolutely keep that kind of dramatic intervention on the table.

00:21:18.000 Help our audience understand just how big of a deal it is, the executive order that President Trump signed on disparate impact, and how disparate impact has been used for admission standards, for remedial standards, disciplinary action, for even algebra.

00:21:34.000 What is disparate impact, and what is the enormity of President Trump and his executive order that he signed the other day?

00:21:40.000 Yeah, it's a historic move, and I'll explain disparate impact in pretty simple terms.

00:21:45.000 When most Americans think about discrimination, they think about someone who says, you know, I don't like people from this certain group.

00:21:51.000 We're not going to give them an opportunity.

00:21:52.000 We're going to deny them employment or benefits or access to a public space.

00:21:58.000 Disparate impact says the intention to discriminate doesn't matter.

00:22:02.000 The action of deliberate discrimination against a group doesn't matter.

00:22:07.000 All that matters is if there is a disparate or disproportionate number of people of one group.

00:22:15.000 That is de facto racism.

00:22:18.000 That is de facto discrimination.

00:22:20.000 So this, of course, again, only applies one way.

00:22:23.000 If you don't have enough African Americans at Harvard, it means that you have to provide a racial quota or a kind of positive discrimination as a remedy.

00:22:32.000 But it doesn't apply to, for example, the NBA.

00:22:35.000 We could say there are not enough Asian and Jewish players in the NBA, which...

00:22:41.000 Under disparate impact theory means the NBA is discriminating against Asians and Jews.

00:22:45.000 But that really just reveals the absurdity of the whole concept.

00:22:49.000 The NBA is hyper-competitive, hyper-meritocratic.

00:22:52.000 It just so happens that certain groups are not as dedicated or not as talented in basketball than other groups.

00:23:01.000 And so what the president is saying is we're going to go back to actual, real, substantial discrimination as the test.

00:23:08.000 We can't use...

00:23:09.000 Statistical pseudoscience.

00:23:11.000 And we also can't assume that there will be an equal distribution by race in every category. 0.93

00:23:18.000 For example, something as silly as, Korean Americans own a disproportionate number of dry cleaners. 1.00

00:23:24.000 I'm okay with that. 0.96

00:23:25.000 That's completely fine.

00:23:27.000 And now the president is saying, we can't take these absurd standards and make them into law.

00:23:34.000 All of this in combination, critical race theory, affirmative action, disparate impact, all that together has done what to education in this country, Christopher?

00:23:45.000 And what can we see now that we are removing these burdens on our education system and businesses?

00:23:52.000 What can we expect now?

00:23:54.000 How big of a deal is this for prosperity and the pursuit of excellence?

00:24:01.000 It's beyond question that these left-wing racialist ideologies have compromised academic institutions, they've really degraded race relations in the United States, and they've turned many K-12 schools into these ideological training grounds.

00:24:20.000 These executive orders are the beginning of reversing that process and moving America towards the standard of colorblind equality, under which everyone is treated equally as an individual.

00:24:30.000 And not rewarded or punished based on their ancestry.

00:24:33.000 That vision of America is extraordinarily popular.

00:24:37.000 That is a vision of America that most, you know, everyday Americans support.

00:24:42.000 And so what has to happen next to make that a reality is that the administration has to keep pressing forward on these policies to change the culture within these institutions, and then to take people like President Christopher Eisgruber of Princeton.

00:24:59.000 Put him on the stand, punish him publicly and severely for the racial discrimination that he has perpetuated at his university, and really turn his reputation so negative that anyone else in that position will immediately say,

00:25:15.000 "I better get my act together and stop discriminating, even if my predecessors have done so in the past."

00:25:22.000 On top of that, President Trump is now disassembling the Department of Education, and he is sending it back to the states.

00:25:29.000 I'm so hopeful that we finally have a president, we finally have an administration who's making education a top priority from K-12 mobility, from going after Harvard.

00:25:41.000 Are you a little concerned, though, Christopher?

00:25:43.000 And we'll pick this up after the break.

00:25:45.000 That the weakest spot of these universities might not actually be the anti-Semitism critiques, which are legitimate, of course, but actually the violations of the Civil Rights Act and the 14th Amendment.

00:25:57.000 What is your take on that strategically, Christopher?

00:25:59.000 Well, look, here's what we have to do.

00:26:02.000 I've had a lot of conversations with American Jews and friends who are very concerned about anti-Semitism.

00:26:09.000 But what I've been recommending to them as the most successful strategy is not to say, American Jews need speech protections.

00:26:18.000 American Jews need DEI, specifically on anti-Semitism. 0.71

00:26:22.000 But actually, American Jews can tap into something much higher and much more powerful.

00:26:27.000 This principle of universal standards to say every group needs protection from violence on campus.

00:26:34.000 Every group needs protected speech.

00:26:36.000 Every group needs to be treated equally and not rewarded or punished based on their racial, ethnic, or religious background.

00:26:43.000 That is the winning argument, and we have to see anti-Semitism as really just the smallest nesting doll into this fervent, anti-Semitic, anti-white, and anti-American hatred. 0.92

00:26:56.000 Bring that all together, bring it into a unifying vision that can protect not just American Jews, but people of all backgrounds.

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00:27:54.000 So places like Harvard, Christopher, are the trendy targets, but most people don't go.

00:28:02.000 Well, I think you have to start at the top and then work your way downward.

00:28:11.000 You know, universities are driven to a large part by social status.

00:28:15.000 And so if you can change the social status at the Ivy League University, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Columbia, most notably, and then you could start changing the social status at the flagship state universities.

00:28:28.000 Berkeley, Michigan, Texas, etc., you're going to send a very strong message downward that it is no longer safe, it is no longer high status, it is no longer even possible to have discriminatory DEI programs or to have this really anti-Semitic,

00:28:49.000 anti-white, anti-American, and often anti-Asian.

00:28:55.000 I think that's what you have to do, because we need to turn this into a cultural movement, not just a legal campaign.

00:29:03.000 And that's really what we're fighting for.

00:29:05.000 And we have to ground it, again, in this principle of colorblind equality, treating everyone equally as an individual.

00:29:12.000 That's the frame that we have to deploy, and that is both the sword and the shield we have to use to defeat the left and the left.

00:29:24.000 And they do this all in the spirit of allegedly getting rid of racism.

00:29:30.000 They want to judge people based on race, and they say that we are trying to fight racism.

00:29:36.000 You look at these executive orders combined.

00:29:38.000 Getting rid of the affirmative action and hiring. 0.84

00:29:40.000 Getting rid of DEI.

00:29:42.000 Getting rid of critical race theory being taught in our schools.

00:29:45.000 A lot of this is going to be debated within the courts.

00:29:48.000 Christopher, are you optimistic that ultimately the Supreme Court will rule in favor of these very courageous executive orders from President Trump?

00:29:56.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:29:57.000 I think all of these orders, you know, a lot of these policies were established by executive orders from Lyndon Johnson to Barack Obama to...

00:30:05.000 To Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

00:30:06.000 And so he has absolute authority to rescind those executive orders and to turn the government in a new direction.

00:30:13.000 That's the basic nature of his Article II powers under the Constitution.

00:30:17.000 But the real tricky part, and where this is going to get tough, not only for these issues related to racial discrimination, but also for permanently dissolving the Department of Education, the president needs Congress to act.

00:30:31.000 And judging by the last, you know, 97 days or change, the president is much bolder, much more decisive, and much more comfortable with risk-taking than the Republicans in Congress.

00:30:47.000 He's got to get Republicans to take some of these incredible executive orders and actually pass them through the legislature so that they can survive further into the future and they could...

00:30:58.000 You know, still be the law, even if power changes in four or hopefully 12 years.

00:31:05.000 Codification is key.

00:31:07.000 Christopher, please plug anything you want our audience to be aware of.

00:31:09.000 Please.

00:31:11.000 We want to support you.

00:31:12.000 Absolutely.

00:31:13.000 Yeah, just follow me on Twitter at RealChrisRuffo.

00:31:16.000 Sign up for my substack at ChristopherRuffo.com.

00:31:19.000 And keep fighting, Charlie.

00:31:20.000 You're doing incredible work.

00:31:22.000 You're really a tremendous leader on all these issues, and we're all grateful for it.

00:31:27.000 Thank you.

00:31:27.000 Christopher, keep it up.

00:31:29.000 Thank you so much.

00:31:29.000 Talk to you soon.

00:31:30.000 Thank you.

00:31:31.000 Email us, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:31:32.000 Look, we have a once-in-a-generation opportunity right now to get back to the roots of the intent of what made America such a spectacular place.

00:31:43.000 We have allowed so much of this nonsense and this garbage to infect every major institution.

00:31:52.000 Really is a cleanse. 0.98

00:31:53.000 It is a reset.

00:31:54.000 It is a...

00:31:55.000 It is starting from square one when you realize how much of our country is being held back by affirmative action, being held back by DEI, being held back by the legal theory of disparate impact,

00:32:12.000 and how corrupt these elite institutions have become.

00:32:17.000 And it is incumbent on all of us, including President Trump, to keep the pressure on.

00:32:25.000 You notice that this hasn't actually received that much news coverage.

00:32:28.000 They are more worried about Abrego Garcia than they are about affirmative action.

00:32:32.000 It's very interesting, isn't it?

00:32:34.000 What is it about Abrego Garcia?

00:32:36.000 Well, they actually know that affirmative action is a major losing argument for them.

00:32:42.000 When affirmative action is presented to the mayor, they say, wait a second, you get extra points if you're of a black skin color and you get less points if you're white skin color.

00:32:49.000 That's exactly what affirmative action is.

00:32:52.000 President Trump is fighting forward in a colorblind, in a merit-based, in a character-based agenda.

00:32:59.000 Not one.

00:33:00.000 We believe in an America agenda.

00:33:08.000 God bless President Trump for fighting for that every day.

00:33:10.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:12.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 25, 2025

The War Against Harvard ft. Chris Rufo

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