The Charlie Kirk Show - The War Against the Shadow Government with John McEntee

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00:00:01.000 Johnny McIntyre joins us, who's a legend from the Trump administration.

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00:00:14.000 Johnny McIntyre is professionally good looking and really ran a lot of stuff for Trump.

00:00:19.000 It's great.

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00:00:51.000 The prevailing orthodoxy of colleges is that if something bad happens to you, you need a support group and you need to protest.

00:01:00.000 Your argument in the book is if something bad happens to you, it actually could be a good thing.

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00:01:06.000 You will never, you know, I don't like pithy little nonsense statements and stuff like that.

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00:01:23.000 Yeah, you need contrast.

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00:01:57.000 I said, if you don't go through this suffering and this suck all the time, you're never going to learn to adore the moments of joy and success. 0.98

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00:03:01.000 Welcome back, everybody.

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00:03:04.000 He's professionally good looking.

00:03:05.000 He was Trump's right-hand man, runs a dating site, and is at war with the shadow government.

00:03:10.000 It's Johnny McIntyre.

00:03:12.000 Thanks for having me.

00:03:13.000 And a very talented quarterback.

00:03:16.000 I don't know about that part.

00:03:18.000 Trick Shots.

00:03:19.000 That's how I first came aware of you.

00:03:20.000 Trick Shot.

00:03:21.000 Right.

00:03:22.000 Winter Blizzard, Stores, Connecticut.

00:03:23.000 In college, we had a lot of free time on a snowy day in February, and we decided to make a trick shot video that went viral.

00:03:30.000 That was like the original trick shot for all these other guys.

00:03:33.000 Yeah, I think that was pre-dude perfect.

00:03:35.000 I think it was like.

00:03:36.000 Well, you had some pretty impressive ones on there.

00:03:38.000 Yeah.

00:03:39.000 It was fun.

00:03:41.000 How many takes did it take to do that?

00:03:42.000 It took us all day, but we did it.

00:03:44.000 Like in 12 hours.

00:03:45.000 Okay.

00:03:46.000 Yeah.

00:03:46.000 I think that last shot across the arena was at like one in the morning.

00:03:52.000 Really?

00:03:52.000 I think it was like a full day shooting.

00:03:55.000 The most successful the UConn football program has ever been.

00:04:00.000 That's our claim to fame.

00:04:01.000 Is Johnny McIntyre?

00:04:02.000 Johnny McIntyre.

00:04:03.000 It's like 17, 18 million views, right?

00:04:05.000 It's big, yeah.

00:04:06.000 I think it was like 8 million or so.

00:04:07.000 So Johnny's amazing.

00:04:09.000 Johnny was one of the good guys in the Trump administration.

00:04:13.000 You guys can Google him.

00:04:14.000 You'll see all these attacks on the left.

00:04:17.000 It's hilarious.

00:04:18.000 But Johnny, is it fair to say you were Trump's right-hand guy, his shadow?

00:04:22.000 It's fair to say.

00:04:24.000 I was his aide, and I traveled with him full-time the first year of the administration and the last year of the administration and in 2016.

00:04:24.000 Yeah, I was with him a lot.

00:04:32.000 And you ran all personnel.

00:04:34.000 And then the last year of the administration, I also ran the personnel office.

00:04:38.000 So Johnny had a great reputation of all the good people.

00:04:38.000 Yep.

00:04:42.000 The bad people didn't like you very much.

00:04:44.000 The bad people did not like me very much.

00:04:46.000 That's true.

00:04:47.000 Yeah, we were trying to, you know, the first years of the Trump years, you rely on the establishment.

00:04:51.000 You rely on, you know, you don't know.

00:04:55.000 People are just telling you, oh, this person's good.

00:04:56.000 That person's good.

00:04:59.000 You got to take them at their word.

00:05:01.000 As the years progress, you start to learn who's actually getting the job done and who's not.

00:05:05.000 So, yeah, there's so much I want to talk to you about.

00:05:07.000 And so we had James Bacon on yesterday about this.

00:05:09.000 So you come into government.

00:05:11.000 Did you have an assumption that you could, the president would say something and that thing would actually get done?

00:05:17.000 Right.

00:05:18.000 Going in, I was incredibly naive.

00:05:20.000 I thought the president would sit at the desk in the Oval Office.

00:05:23.000 The resolute desk.

00:05:24.000 At the resolute desk.

00:05:25.000 I thought he would say, okay, today I would like to withdraw from NATO.

00:05:29.000 And then I thought everyone would just be worker bees and go withdraw from NATO.

00:05:32.000 Not how it works, unfortunately.

00:05:34.000 There's a large bureaucracy that runs the government.

00:05:37.000 The president is the head of it.

00:05:39.000 Technically, he's in charge of the executive branch.

00:05:41.000 But because the bureaucracy has gotten so big, things don't move quite like that.

00:05:46.000 Okay, so let's go through some examples.

00:05:48.000 Give one example that stands out where the president wanted to do something, you wanted to do something, but that thing did not get done or was slow walked or it just got changed.

00:05:57.000 Well, you could talk about one that repeatedly happened, which actually Biden ended up doing, although as Bill Maher said, he didn't quite stick the landing, which was withdrawing from Afghanistan.

00:06:07.000 The president wanted to do that.

00:06:08.000 He said it over and over again.

00:06:10.000 He tweeted about it every few months.

00:06:12.000 He gave straight directives and somehow it never happened.

00:06:15.000 Wait, so if you gave straight directives to exit Afghanistan, then what would happen?

00:06:19.000 You know, the National Security Council comes in, whoever from the Pentagon comes in, they all talk it out.

00:06:24.000 They say, no, we're going to come up with a strategy.

00:06:26.000 We can't just, you know, and in hindsight, looking at the Biden withdrawal, that was a fiasco.

00:06:31.000 Of course, Trump would have done it a lot differently, but it was still the right move.

00:06:36.000 And yeah, you just see things like that.

00:06:37.000 And over the years, it's like, is anything ever going to get done?

00:06:40.000 Obviously, he still was able to accomplish a lot.

00:06:42.000 But in a second term, knowing what we know now, I think he'd be able to accomplish three times, four times, five times as much.

00:06:51.000 Without a doubt.

00:06:51.000 And so, yeah, there is this perception, president's in charge, you know, orders are followed.

00:06:56.000 And I just want to make sure everyone understands.

00:06:58.000 When I mean that he was his right-hand guy, it was like Trump and Johnny, Trump and Johnny.

00:07:01.000 I think you're in more background shots of anybody in the history of the Trump presidency, right?

00:07:05.000 I think my family enjoyed that.

00:07:06.000 They'd look for me on TV, try to look like a lot of people.

00:07:08.000 I was like, where's Waldo?

00:07:10.000 I would be watching the live feed on Fox.

00:07:11.000 I'd say, hey, there's Johnny.

00:07:12.000 There's Johnny.

00:07:14.000 And I want to get into just kind of some of the more fun details about Trump and how he is and all that, but let's just kind of focus on this here.

00:07:20.000 So at what point did you realize, oh my gosh, personnel is policy, where there's this mass leviathan and Trump is like a temporary occupant who's actually been held hostage by people that hate him?

00:07:31.000 I think within the first few months in the White House in 2017, it was pretty obvious.

00:07:37.000 Before that, I don't think any conservative knew what the personnel office was.

00:07:40.000 I think now it's becoming a mainstream PPO and just how much authority and power it has and how you need to have someone good in charge of that.

00:07:48.000 I think the next administration should have on yesterday's get who you had on yesterday, should have him in charge of it.

00:07:54.000 James Bacon.

00:07:55.000 He's a total stud.

00:07:56.000 Somebody that's super conservative, super aligned, but competent.

00:08:00.000 A lot of times the Trump people will be like, you need to hire this person and that person.

00:08:04.000 But they weren't exactly competent. 0.99

00:08:07.000 They were a little crazy.

00:08:08.000 You need people that are totally aligned, but can also get the job done.

00:08:12.000 So what do you mean by that?

00:08:13.000 Not just ideologically aligned, but also competent and not purchased by foreign governments.

00:08:19.000 Right.

00:08:20.000 And also, there's also this myth about people that can talk a big game and say all the right things, which does serve a purpose.

00:08:27.000 Maybe that's a conservative pundit.

00:08:29.000 I think that's fair to like say Scaramucci was probably.

00:08:32.000 Sure, I like Scaramucci personally, but yeah, somebody.

00:08:34.000 11 days of chaos.

00:08:36.000 Right.

00:08:37.000 But, you know, there's people that are good messengers, but they're not good executors.

00:08:42.000 And I think finding the people that can actually get the work done more than go on Fox and say the good talking point is probably most helpful.

00:08:50.000 So zero again on the Afghanistan thing.

00:08:52.000 Is it true that Trump would give the order and then there would be a pre-planned meeting of like Tillerson, Pence, and they were waiting for Trump in a room and they had wargamed the conversation.

00:09:03.000 Is that true?

00:09:04.000 I think some of the staff, you know, the agency heads would meet separately and kind of talk through.

00:09:11.000 It was obvious that they were doing that.

00:09:14.000 I don't know who exactly, but that was definitely happening.

00:09:17.000 They're thinking through scenarios of, okay, if he says this, well, why can't we just do that?

00:09:22.000 Here's our response.

00:09:23.000 So I hope everyone understands that this is the duly elected president of the United States who's in charge of the executive branch.

00:09:29.000 Right.

00:09:29.000 And you have cabinet officials that rehearse kind of like dialectics of how to get the president to agree with what they want.

00:09:39.000 Sure.

00:09:40.000 And that wasn't the case with all of them.

00:09:41.000 Some were good.

00:09:42.000 But I think next time it's really important to get that right early.

00:09:47.000 And during that transition period, you have a short amount of time.

00:09:50.000 Picking those people that are totally aligned and competent to run these agencies is going to save you a lot of trouble on the back end.

00:09:58.000 And so there were some really good people in the White House.

00:10:02.000 And I mean, Lighthizer did his best, right?

00:10:05.000 Navarro did his best.

00:10:06.000 And there was kind of this constant theme of like, let's just talk about one issue that Trump's going to have to overcome, which is leaking.

00:10:14.000 I mean, that was so widespread, leaking of phone calls.

00:10:17.000 I mean, what's behind that?

00:10:19.000 We don't get many leaks out of the Biden White House at all.

00:10:21.000 Yeah, I think that has a lot to do with the media as well and a lot to do with the inaction.

00:10:26.000 You know, the Biden White House, there's probably not a whole lot going on as there was in the Trump White House because the machine, the bureaucracy is left-wing.

00:10:34.000 It's already moving.

00:10:36.000 They don't really have to do a lot to get their agenda through or at least to keep it on pace.

00:10:41.000 Ours, you have people infighting, which is natural.

00:10:44.000 You know, you have different ideas even within the conservative world on certain things.

00:10:48.000 And then you have the media that wants to play it up.

00:10:51.000 You know, so if somebody in the Biden White House wanted to leak on someone, you know, they're not going to pick it up.

00:10:57.000 They're not going to make it into a big thing.

00:10:59.000 Whereas in the Trump White House, of course they would.

00:11:01.000 They'd run with it for days and try to create this scenario where there's just chaos and no one knows what they're doing.

00:11:08.000 And sometimes it was successful to portray that, although it might not have been the case.

00:11:13.000 In the rank and file of people that were appointed, not the permanent White House bureaucracy, we'll get to that, the 1,000 people.

00:11:19.000 Let's just say the people that were appointed, right?

00:11:21.000 In PPO or in OPL, right?

00:11:25.000 Or OPM.

00:11:26.000 Yeah, Office of Personnel, right?

00:11:29.000 Well, they just, yeah, that's just one agency.

00:11:29.000 Management.

00:11:31.000 But just out of the 4,000 people.

00:11:33.000 Yeah, well, like, let's just say the people that came and left, meaning they are no longer there under Biden.

00:11:39.000 Not the people that, you know, the political appointees under landscapers all right.

00:11:43.000 Right.

00:11:43.000 But those are important.

00:11:44.000 Those people have power more than people realize.

00:11:46.000 How many actually ideologically agree to Donald Trump on his worldview?

00:11:50.000 Actually, more than you would think.

00:11:51.000 That wasn't the problem.

00:11:52.000 The problem was that they're MPCs.

00:11:57.000 They're not non-player characters.

00:11:58.000 They're non-player characters.

00:12:00.000 They're just kind of going through the motions.

00:12:02.000 They might be totally aligned.

00:12:04.000 They might say the right thing.

00:12:05.000 They might actually believe the right thing.

00:12:07.000 However, when they go in to do the job, the bureaucracy takes over and they can't get anything done.

00:12:12.000 There were a lot of bad actors.

00:12:14.000 Those have been well documented.

00:12:15.000 Out of the 4,000 people, 3,900 were ideologically aligned, but most were just going through the motions.

00:12:23.000 I want to talk about how do we fix this?

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00:12:29.000 And he's running a dating app.

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00:12:31.000 It's called The Right Stuff.

00:12:31.000 The Right Stuff.

00:12:32.000 Yeah, it's free in the app store if you want to download it.

00:12:34.000 All right.

00:12:35.000 If you want to find a right-wing girlfriend or boyfriend, the right stuff.

00:12:39.000 The right stuff here.

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00:13:40.000 So I'm going to talk about how we fix it, but I think it'd be interesting.

00:13:42.000 I mean, how many, you were, you were everything from like the attaché to the liaison to the body man of Trump, right?

00:13:49.000 Just let's talk about him as a person.

00:13:49.000 Correct.

00:13:51.000 You probably had more time with him in close proximity than almost anybody else while he was president.

00:13:57.000 Is that fair to say?

00:13:59.000 I think that's fair to say.

00:14:00.000 And he was an amazing boss.

00:14:02.000 He's what you'd expect.

00:14:03.000 He's very funny, but he's also gracious.

00:14:03.000 He's very fun.

00:14:07.000 And you see how he treats the staff, you know, the higher up people, you know, he's giving them orders.

00:14:13.000 You know, they might go at it, whatever.

00:14:15.000 But like the way he treats the junior staff or the people working at the White House actually is amazing.

00:14:20.000 They would all tell you that.

00:14:21.000 I'm sure they all want him back.

00:14:22.000 I'm sure the guy who does the landscaping or the, you know, the chef of the White House, I'm sure they all want him back because he's such a good person to work for.

00:14:31.000 But talk about like the average day, the pace.

00:14:33.000 I mean, being around, when I'm around him, I'm like, I can only take like five or six hours before I'm like, I need a break.

00:14:38.000 I mean, he's so intense.

00:14:40.000 It's like high octane.

00:14:41.000 I mean, what would days for you look like, let alone his schedule?

00:14:45.000 You know, every night, me and his executive assistant would be hoping that he would call it a day just so we could go home and we'd be able to get away from it.

00:14:52.000 What time would this be?

00:14:53.000 This would be well into the night, eight o'clock, nine o'clock at night.

00:14:53.000 This would be late.

00:14:56.000 If there wasn't an event or rally he's going to.

00:14:58.000 So he starts early.

00:14:59.000 He's an early riser.

00:15:00.000 At what time?

00:15:01.000 Works from, at least when we were in the White House, works from his residence, 6 a.m., 7 a.m., making calls.

00:15:09.000 So a lot of times people be like, you know, I'm at the gym.

00:15:11.000 Like they're trying to talk to the president because he's saying, here's what I want to do today.

00:15:15.000 So he's starting early.

00:15:16.000 He would get to the office at a normal hour, 9, 10, be there all day, and then usually travel to an event that night.

00:15:24.000 So it was a lot.

00:15:25.000 And I don't know how he does it.

00:15:28.000 I also saw that on the campaign trail and like Bannon, those guys could tell you, we'd all need a nap.

00:15:33.000 We'd go like find a little room to sleep in.

00:15:34.000 And he'd be up, you know, reading or writing or checking his speech or, you know, watching the news, learning.

00:15:41.000 You know, just he never stops.

00:15:42.000 Just talk about the pace, though.

00:15:44.000 I mean, what does working look like for him?

00:15:47.000 It's, it's, if there's a problem, he wants to address it.

00:15:49.000 From what I've seen, get him on the phone.

00:15:50.000 It's like high intensity.

00:15:52.000 Bring them in, right?

00:15:54.000 Yeah, it never stops.

00:15:55.000 I mean, actually, who you mentioned, Lighthizer.

00:15:57.000 It was really funny.

00:15:58.000 We were on Air Force One, and you know, they came back to get Lighthizer.

00:16:03.000 The president wants to speak to you.

00:16:04.000 By the time Lighthizer got to the front of the cabin, he had already made another call.

00:16:08.000 And he looked at me.

00:16:09.000 He said, Can you believe this guy?

00:16:10.000 He said, Go get Lighthizer.

00:16:12.000 And then he didn't even want to wait.

00:16:13.000 He wanted to get on his next call.

00:16:15.000 You know, so he's just like, it's just going a mile a minute.

00:16:18.000 And, you know, he had a pretty intense schedule when he was in the Oval Office, just, you know, lunch at this time, three o'clock, this.

00:16:25.000 The Boy Scouts are coming at four.

00:16:28.000 But then on what would be considered a day off, it would still be work, but he'd be doing that from his phone, from his residence, from wherever he was.

00:16:34.000 Yeah.

00:16:35.000 And from people that have been around him, they contrast that with other executives.

00:16:39.000 Talk about, though, I mean, because there's a lot of attacks on him, unfortunately, from the right.

00:16:44.000 What does Donald Trump believe politically?

00:16:46.000 It's the same in private as it is public.

00:16:48.000 It is.

00:16:49.000 Yeah.

00:16:49.000 His instincts are phenomenal.

00:16:51.000 He's very conservative.

00:16:52.000 And I would say he's traditionally and culturally American.

00:16:56.000 He actually does want, you know, America first policies to be enacted.

00:17:01.000 Whether or not that was always the case as it happened, I don't know.

00:17:04.000 But yeah, I just, I think he's just culturally and traditionally American.

00:17:09.000 You see, like when we have a big event at the White House, he wants like the flags.

00:17:13.000 He wants the, you know, he wants the military.

00:17:15.000 He likes the pageantry.

00:17:16.000 He loves the history.

00:17:18.000 There were times when we would walk up, you know, at night from the Oval Office back to the residence and we're just staring out at the south lawn of the White House.

00:17:24.000 And he'd be like, can you believe this?

00:17:26.000 You know, he really appreciated it.

00:17:28.000 And that was cool to see.

00:17:29.000 There was a fair amount of awe and wonder.

00:17:30.000 Yeah.

00:17:31.000 Right.

00:17:32.000 So what's your favorite Trump story that you're allowed to tell?

00:17:36.000 That I'm allowed to tell.

00:17:39.000 I don't like talking about, yeah, personally, but the night of the election in 2016, we went to six or seven states that day, did rallies.

00:17:48.000 It's three in the morning.

00:17:49.000 Michigan.

00:17:50.000 Yeah.

00:17:51.000 We end, I think, with Michigan.

00:17:52.000 It was the last Grand Rapids, Michigan was the last round.

00:17:54.000 And, you know, I'm taking his boxes of, you know, his newspapers and his, you know, speeches and everything.

00:18:00.000 I'm taking all of his stuff up to his room.

00:18:01.000 It's three in the morning.

00:18:02.000 He looks at me and says, so what do you think?

00:18:05.000 And I'm like, I think you got it.

00:18:07.000 And then he gets his newspaper and he like slaps me on the arm.

00:18:09.000 He says, I think I do.

00:18:11.000 And I thought, wow, that was pretty cool.

00:18:12.000 And then the next day, he, you know, shocked the world.

00:18:14.000 Yeah.

00:18:15.000 In some ways, the shock and awe was not helpful because then bad people staffed the government very quickly.

00:18:19.000 Right.

00:18:20.000 There was no transition team.

00:18:21.000 There was no, we went on this thing called the thank you tour.

00:18:24.000 That was a huge mistake.

00:18:25.000 Is that right?

00:18:26.000 That was a catastrophic mistake.

00:18:29.000 Because we were, you know, we had done it for so long.

00:18:32.000 We were used to every day.

00:18:33.000 We wake up, we go to a rally, we do this, we go to the photo line.

00:18:36.000 So after he won, it was like, now what?

00:18:38.000 And everyone's like, well, just continue what you were doing, but now it's thank you.

00:18:42.000 And, you know, when really we should have spent that few months just completely honing in, figuring out how government works.

00:18:48.000 Building a government.

00:18:49.000 Building a government.

00:18:50.000 There were people that were doing that, but yeah, I think the thank you tour took a little bit away from it.

00:18:54.000 But then also just like, hey, maybe we shouldn't lead with a travel ban if we don't have people at DHS, right?

00:18:59.000 And in my opinion, the biggest thing to learn from, the first ask of Congress should have been the wall, not healthcare.

00:19:07.000 It should have been use the mandate and the momentum for the wall.

00:19:10.000 Right.

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00:20:16.000 Okay, so Johnny, I want to ask everything we've been talking about differently and different perspective.

00:20:20.000 Give us an example of a time the president wanted to do something and actually got done rather seamlessly or effectively.

00:20:27.000 Sure, that happened occasionally, the Paris Climate Accord.

00:20:30.000 So why was that not fought?

00:20:31.000 What can we learn from that maybe in a second term?

00:20:34.000 That was early on.

00:20:35.000 I think early on he had a lot of success just because the momentum, even though maybe, like you were saying, with Congress, we should have done that or this with the executive stuff.

00:20:44.000 I think early on, maybe the travel van, but he had some success.

00:20:48.000 Another would be one you mentioned with James was like moving the embassy, you know, things that people were fighting him on, but that ultimately they caved.

00:20:57.000 I don't know why.

00:20:58.000 Like with the Paris thing, maybe it wasn't a big enough deal or a big enough threat to the machine that was non-biodicated.

00:21:05.000 It was a big deal.

00:21:06.000 You know, it was a thing he campaigned on and said he was going to do, and he did it.

00:21:10.000 But I'm not sure why that specifically would go through and something else wouldn't.

00:21:13.000 Yeah, I'm just trying to think of, so let's say Trump wins again, which is a big if at this time.

00:21:18.000 He's got a lot of force to overcome.

00:21:20.000 Michael Anton is like a black pill dispensary, right?

00:21:22.000 He's amazing, but he's like, ah, the forces against him are too powerful.

00:21:25.000 Could be true.

00:21:26.000 And by the way, I do not see the RNC or the Republican Party doing anything even close to getting us close to victory.

00:21:32.000 I see us stumbling towards a bad outcome.

00:21:35.000 We hopefully can fix it.

00:21:36.000 That's what Turning Point Action is doing, Chase the Vote, and all that good stuff.

00:21:39.000 Let's table that.

00:21:40.000 Let's say we win back the White House.

00:21:41.000 Amazing.

00:21:42.000 What's going to be different, Johnny?

00:21:43.000 You're part of some project of Heritage.

00:21:44.000 I think I'm on the board of that thing as an advisor.

00:21:48.000 What's going to be different?

00:21:50.000 Well, I think what we saw in the last year, in terms of the personnel, is that change can be done.

00:21:55.000 You don't need to be totally blackpilled, although I do like Anton.

00:22:00.000 And it doesn't take that many people.

00:22:02.000 You know, we talk about 4,000 political appointees and training the troops, and that's all great.

00:22:07.000 And you need to have a good bench.

00:22:09.000 But if you had 50 to 100 killers that we can find, or we have.

00:22:16.000 We have them here.

00:22:17.000 Right, yeah, we have it at Turning Players.

00:22:18.000 You know how many times I tried to get Turning Point killers hired, and it was always said no in the Trump White House.

00:22:24.000 Not always.

00:22:25.000 A couple people got hired.

00:22:26.000 People like that, maybe people a little older that are more senior that could run an agency too.

00:22:30.000 But it only takes, you know, a good agency head that's strong-willed and that's not going to back down when media pressure comes.

00:22:38.000 And then people that are aligned with what the president wants to do.

00:22:40.000 And then this will happen very quickly.

00:22:43.000 So I'm white-pilled on the whole thing if we were to pull off a victory.

00:22:46.000 Yeah, so if we were to pull off a victory, how would the transition look differently?

00:22:50.000 I mean, it would be a lot of no's to a lot of lobbyists that feel entitled to these positions, right?

00:22:54.000 Yeah, it would be that.

00:22:55.000 And also, you know, last time in 2016, they had this like make AmericaGreatAgain.gov, submit your resume.

00:23:02.000 Those resumes were lost forever and it was like 70,000 of them.

00:23:04.000 Now, we're doing it.

00:23:06.000 No one actually ever read that.

00:23:06.000 Wait, what do you mean, lost forever?

00:23:07.000 I don't know where they are.

00:23:08.000 I've never seen them, heard of them, never heard them used to get a real position.

00:23:13.000 That's so sad, Johnny.

00:23:14.000 These are like really cool people that are MAGA professors and entrepreneurs that like spent their time filling out stuff and like no one ever read their documents.

00:23:21.000 No, I don't think one person was hired off of that website.

00:23:24.000 However, now, as you mentioned, with Project 2025 at Heritage and whatever the official transition will be for the Republican nominee, which looks like it will be Trump, they're doing the work now.

00:23:38.000 So we're getting the resumes now.

00:23:40.000 We're going to get the people trained now.

00:23:42.000 And that's going to help us, you know, just flood DC in January of 2025 with good people.

00:23:48.000 With a beach head, yeah.

00:23:48.000 With a beach head.

00:23:50.000 Instead of relying on a lot of the establishment people that aren't aligned, even though they might be good people, we're going to have a short timeframe to really just hit the ground running and we need to start doing the work now.

00:24:01.000 And that's what we're going to do.

00:24:02.000 Yeah, and so it goes both ways, though, right?

00:24:04.000 Because there was somebody in the White House that I won't say, we'll talk about it privately.

00:24:07.000 You probably know who I'm talking about, that largely agreed with Trump, but had some differences of opinion.

00:24:12.000 But it wasn't as much an ideological thing.

00:24:13.000 It was what you mentioned earlier, a competency thing.

00:24:15.000 Because sometimes somebody would be all on board with Trump on the agenda, but they would just be like showing up to work late and not present well and be sloppy and slovenly and drunk and say things to girls.

00:24:25.000 Like it's just not.

00:24:26.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:24:27.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:24:28.000 You don't just need the kind of lethal combo of being a professional, but also being MAGA.

00:24:35.000 And no one's better than that than the globalists in DC.

00:24:38.000 Well, that's such a smart point.

00:24:40.000 So McKinsey-Goldman, they train well-trained, proper, well-dressed, groomed.

00:24:46.000 Exactly.

00:24:47.000 They make you feel like they're your best friend.

00:24:49.000 You know, it's like, of course I want to work with this person.

00:24:52.000 That's such an interesting.

00:24:53.000 Yeah.

00:24:53.000 So they kill it at that game.

00:24:55.000 Our people can take a page out of that book.

00:24:57.000 Hopefully the coaching they're going to do at Heritage and also just, you know, James or whoever's going to train these people before they enter the administration.

00:25:05.000 They can give them some pointers, how to act, how to get things done.

00:25:09.000 And also, yeah, just treat people with respect.

00:25:11.000 You don't have to be hostile.

00:25:13.000 At the end of the day, you have to realize you're in charge.

00:25:15.000 You're working on behalf of the president.

00:25:17.000 They have to do what you say.

00:25:18.000 So there's no reason to be, you know, crazy or, you know, hostile towards them.

00:25:23.000 Yeah.

00:25:23.000 So it's interesting.

00:25:24.000 What McKinsey is best at is having like well-tailored, presentable, late-20-somethings with every possible criteria and degree, but they also hate the country.

00:25:34.000 Right.

00:25:35.000 So they look good in meetings.

00:25:35.000 Yeah.

00:25:37.000 Right.

00:25:38.000 And they'll fill out the book reports, but in reality, they're like ideologically against the agenda.

00:25:44.000 Right.

00:25:44.000 Yeah.

00:25:45.000 So that's.

00:25:45.000 Like Miles Taylor, for example.

00:25:47.000 Right.

00:25:47.000 Probably looks good on a resume, puts it together, shows up on time for the meeting, says the right things.

00:25:52.000 Yes, sir.

00:25:53.000 His worldview is not aligned with an America first worldview.

00:25:57.000 So getting our people that are aligned and then getting them presentable and competent and ready to work, it's going to be a lot of work, but luckily we have a head start this time and we have good networks of people.

00:26:09.000 And we also have people that were junior that we saw actually doing work that can now take on more senior roles because it's five years later.

00:26:19.000 So that'll be inspiring.

00:26:21.000 So talk about some of the other lessons that you have from the time in the Trump White House that you think things we could have done better.

00:26:31.000 I mean, talk especially about COVID.

00:26:32.000 COVID things just, just things just started to go off.

00:26:36.000 You spend time with Fauci?

00:26:38.000 No, I refuse to be near him.

00:26:41.000 But yeah, like with COVID, you know, people were empowered that shouldn't have been.

00:26:45.000 And then we tried to do a small course correction with what power we had in the personnel office.

00:26:50.000 We brought in Scott Atlas.

00:26:51.000 You know, he had a great, a great take on COVID, obviously, but he brought in people.

00:26:57.000 He tried to, you know, change the narrative a bit, give a different perspective on it.

00:27:02.000 Couldn't make any headway, unfortunately.

00:27:04.000 So it's getting people that are more aligned just from the get-go.

00:27:08.000 So you don't run into that situation like we had with COVID.

00:27:13.000 It's actually like painful to even think about that stuff, but it all goes back to just, yeah, who's in charge and if they're empowered by the president or not.

00:27:23.000 It's really remarkable.

00:27:24.000 And creating the personnel, because personnel is policy, right?

00:27:30.000 And having the people that are able to do the job.

00:27:34.000 Talk about where you were during the James Comey firing.

00:27:37.000 That was really significant.

00:27:39.000 That was on my birthday, actually, man.

00:27:41.000 Tell us about it.

00:27:43.000 I wasn't actually around for it because I left early, but what do you mean exactly?

00:27:47.000 Tell you about what you're doing.

00:27:48.000 Just the dynamics, because I actually think the firing of James Comey was the official poking of the deep state bear.

00:27:53.000 That's when we got Mueller.

00:27:55.000 We got just this ridiculously hostile administrative state posture, recusal of Jeff Sessions not long before that.

00:28:02.000 Peter Struckstroke smirk going into the White House and entrapping Lieutenant General Michael Flynn.

00:28:08.000 Right.

00:28:08.000 Yeah, you could say that was the start of it because that was about five months into the first term of Trump.

00:28:15.000 And that's a good point.

00:28:17.000 I never thought of it that way.

00:28:19.000 But that did lead to a lot of things and a lot of problems.

00:28:26.000 I don't have a great take on it per se.

00:28:30.000 Was there a fear or at least a conscious understanding at some point that the intelligence agencies were working against you?

00:28:39.000 I think that was known.

00:28:40.000 Yeah.

00:28:41.000 I think, you know, they all came to Trump Tower during that transition period.

00:28:45.000 And looking back on it, that actually might be the first point.

00:28:48.000 So tell us about that.

00:28:49.000 You know, so you have this transition period.

00:28:51.000 You have the president-elect.

00:28:53.000 And then basically they're all going to come tell you, here's how government works.

00:28:56.000 You know, they come in in the suits.

00:28:58.000 The mill-aid's there.

00:28:58.000 Here's how the, you know, nukes work.

00:29:00.000 Here's how the briefings work.

00:29:02.000 Here's, you know, all our capabilities.

00:29:05.000 And when you look at who was in that meeting initially, it's all of those bad actors.

00:29:10.000 The names don't all come to mind.

00:29:11.000 But it's all those people that weren't aligned with Trump at all coming to tell him, here's how all of this works.

00:29:18.000 I think at first he probably bought into some of that, but then as the story develops, we realize they're not working in his interest or America's interest.

00:29:28.000 Well, and President Trump's instincts were right.

00:29:31.000 He's tweeted out that the FBI is spying on me and all this.

00:29:34.000 Senator Chuck Ushumer goes on Rachel Maddow's show and says the intel agencies have six ways of Sunday to get back at you.

00:29:41.000 This is before he was president.

00:29:43.000 Right?

00:29:43.000 Well, this also goes to the point of personnel is incredibly important.

00:29:47.000 We learned that.

00:29:47.000 That was a big takeaway.

00:29:50.000 But there has to be major reforms to the executive branch itself.

00:29:53.000 What do you mean?

00:29:55.000 You know, the way it's structured from the 30s or 40s, which James talks a lot about, he had on yesterday.

00:30:02.000 You know, this whole idea and concept was, you know, came up from liberals.

00:30:08.000 And it's, you know, it's left-wing in nature, and it only grows bigger.

00:30:12.000 And every time it grows, it takes freedom away from us.

00:30:15.000 And it's in constant motion.

00:30:17.000 So until we start tackling that as well, it's going to be difficult to get anything conservative done.

00:30:22.000 A lot of conservatives think, well, you can't, ah, you can't, you know, get rid of the Department of Education.

00:30:27.000 Ah, you know, but like, that's probably what it will take.

00:30:31.000 And, you know, you might have to just say, you know, we're clearing out the State Department and we're just starting from scratch.

00:30:38.000 And that's going to be painful.

00:30:40.000 You know, people are going to, you know, go up in arms.

00:30:42.000 But at the end of the day, it might be in the best interest of our foreign policy to do that or our country at all.

00:30:50.000 Yeah.

00:30:51.000 So I want to talk more about after the break, kind of build this out.

00:30:55.000 But I think this is so important because, you know, President Trump, if he wins the nomination, he's going to need to give people some assurances that we're not going to have more Deborah Burks or Anthony Fauci in the White House.

00:31:07.000 Right.

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00:32:24.000 Okay, so the app is called the right stuff, date right stuff.

00:32:28.000 And Johnny in the break was like, it's mostly girls. 1.00

00:32:31.000 Where are the men?

00:32:32.000 Why are men not downloading your app as much?

00:32:34.000 I think they don't believe it or they don't know about it.

00:32:36.000 Or they think they're all being catfished or something.

00:32:38.000 Something.

00:32:38.000 All of our marketing has been geared towards women.

00:32:41.000 We're sort of doing the club model, you know, the like, get the girls on, the guys will follow.

00:32:45.000 That's bumble, right?

00:32:46.000 Bumble is literally the feminist, like girls go first. 1.00

00:32:49.000 We're not that.

00:32:50.000 I just mean our marketing, like we try to attract girls onto it because we want to get them on first and then we think the guys will follow.

00:32:56.000 So guys, now it's time to follow.

00:32:58.000 It's called Date Right Stuff.

00:33:00.000 It's called The Right Stuff.

00:33:01.000 Hey, Blake, you need to get on it.

00:33:02.000 We're at Date Right Stuff.

00:33:04.000 Come on, Blake.

00:33:05.000 We're at Date Right Stuff on social media.

00:33:06.000 But you say that, you know, there's attractive women on this app. 1.00

00:33:10.000 There are.

00:33:10.000 And if you don't believe me, I'm going out with a new one every day, a part of a 50-first date series, and I'm meeting them all on the app.

00:33:17.000 I don't know them.

00:33:17.000 It's funny.

00:33:18.000 He's a very eligible bachelor, by the way.

00:33:21.000 We'll be taking applications for Johnny McIntees.

00:33:24.000 Please send him our way.

00:33:24.000 And also for Blake.

00:33:26.000 We've been trying with...

00:33:27.000 Maybe we'll do a double blind date or something.

00:33:29.000 You got to set Blake up on date right stuff.

00:33:31.000 Right.

00:33:31.000 Let's do it.

00:33:32.000 That would be great.

00:33:33.000 What are you learning about the dating scene?

00:33:35.000 What are you learning about what has been shocking to you?

00:33:37.000 Because, I mean, you got to.

00:33:38.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:33:39.000 There's a lot.

00:33:40.000 Well, tell us.

00:33:41.000 The biggest problem with dating today is that not enough people are doing it.

00:33:44.000 That would be number one.

00:33:46.000 And then I realize there's faults on both sides.

00:33:49.000 And it's interesting to see the trends.

00:33:53.000 On the female side, women are way too focused on their careers and their dogs. 1.00

00:33:58.000 And on the men's side, they're not putting in nearly enough effort it takes to attract a good woman.

00:34:05.000 What do you mean, effort?

00:34:06.000 You mean they're just overweight?

00:34:07.000 They're sloppy.

00:34:08.000 They're sloppy. 0.99

00:34:09.000 They're lazy. 0.84

00:34:09.000 They don't show up on time. 0.84

00:34:10.000 They don't pay for the meal.

00:34:11.000 Their profile is a lot of fun.

00:34:12.000 They don't pay for the meal.

00:34:14.000 That's amazing.

00:34:14.000 Conservative men probably are a little better with that.

00:34:17.000 But I think we kind of forgot how to court someone, which I'm trying to show.

00:34:22.000 If you want to follow us on Instagram, Date Right stuff.

00:34:26.000 So the guys need to step up their game.

00:34:28.000 And then the girls, they need to be, they need to, you know, after 25, your number one priority should be finding a husband. 1.00

00:34:35.000 You know, I see a lot of girls who in their 30s and they're like, well, you know, I can't do that Thursday night. 1.00

00:34:42.000 Can't do that Thursday night.

00:34:43.000 It's like, you should be doing that every night, you know, or like, oh, well, a little fluffy's at home.

00:34:48.000 And fluffy, you know, like, get your kids their dog. 0.96

00:34:51.000 You know, you don't need to be obsessed with your dog.

00:34:53.000 So why do you think that is?

00:34:54.000 Because they think they can like freeze their eggs or something or that they've been.

00:34:58.000 I don't think they realize.

00:34:59.000 I think even conservative women have been, have bought into the career first lie. 0.99

00:35:06.000 Just the, yeah, the culture that we're in, you know, like do what guys do.

00:35:09.000 Get a career.

00:35:10.000 And, you know, it's okay to wait.

00:35:12.000 And well, it's not okay to wait that long, you know?

00:35:14.000 No, there's, there's a, I mean, we get emails, hundreds of very regretful, late 30-something women with cats.

00:35:20.000 Yeah.

00:35:21.000 And they've been lied to.

00:35:23.000 And a lot of times it's not even their fault.

00:35:25.000 They're just kind of just going through the motions.

00:35:27.000 It's life, you know.

00:35:27.000 But it's always somebody else's fault.

00:35:29.000 What I notice in emails is it's not their own fault that there are no good guys or somebody said something mean.

00:35:33.000 And they're not wrong.

00:35:34.000 I think guys have to step up their game too.

00:35:36.000 I think there's fault on both sides.

00:35:38.000 I think it's really interesting to watch.

00:35:42.000 This is the question.

00:35:43.000 You have these like simultaneous complaints that you have hookup culture going galore and yet people are super prude and don't want to date.

00:35:48.000 So, which one is it?

00:35:49.000 Or is it both?

00:35:50.000 Well, no, I don't think, I don't think people are hooking up that much.

00:35:54.000 I mean, if you look at like the data on that, like compared to what do you see?

00:35:58.000 What do you see in your app?

00:36:00.000 What information is that?

00:36:01.000 I mean, meaning, like, do you find longer-lasting relationships or more hookup type?

00:36:06.000 No, for sure.

00:36:07.000 It's a platform for conservatives.

00:36:09.000 So, more people are dating with more intention there for sure.

00:36:11.000 And that is the goal.

00:36:13.000 I think dating apps are a good tool to use.

00:36:16.000 And I'm not just saying that because I started one.

00:36:19.000 Because you have things like social media where people have access to millions of people and they're just constantly sending messages and then go on to the next girl or the next guy.

00:36:27.000 And there's no intention there.

00:36:28.000 At least here, you know, people are using a little intention.

00:36:31.000 Tinder is like a hookup, kind of spammy sort of thing in a way.

00:36:36.000 Hinge is probably the only comparable thing to what we're trying to do, which is still kind of losing its way and very left-wing.

00:36:42.000 This is definitely not Grinder.

00:36:43.000 So, but yeah, let me just kind of closing.

00:36:46.000 Biggest lesson you learned from this is like, what is the biggest concern you have then for young people?

00:36:51.000 Like societal civilizational takeaway and concern?

00:36:54.000 Is that people are waiting too long to get married?

00:36:57.000 And that social media and other things are giving guys access to way too many girls and they need to be pairing up at a younger age rather than like I'm doing still in my 30s.

00:37:07.000 Who am I to say it?

00:37:08.000 But I'm just married.

00:37:10.000 I'm in my 20s.

00:37:11.000 I have a kid.

00:37:12.000 Everyone should do it.

00:37:13.000 But you're seeing that troubling trend manifest itself.

00:37:16.000 Yeah.

00:37:16.000 Luckily, ours is all conservative, so it's not as bad.

00:37:20.000 And people are trying to link up.

00:37:22.000 But yeah, that's a bad trend.

00:37:24.000 Why do people get so angry when you say that you should probably get married by the, you know, if you're a woman in your 20s?

00:37:29.000 Why is that such a thought crime?

00:37:31.000 I don't know.

00:37:32.000 I think they have this thing where like we're independent and we can do it on our own and we don't need a man, but it's not really about that.

00:37:36.000 It's about like sharing your life with someone, building something together.

00:37:40.000 And I think most who do that don't regret it and they're happy they did.

00:37:43.000 John Mackenzie, everybody, founder of Date Right Stuff.

00:37:47.000 He's also single, or so he says.

00:37:49.000 So is Blake.

00:37:50.000 Got lots of single men.

00:37:51.000 So let's fix that problem.

00:37:53.000 John, E, thanks so much.

00:37:54.000 Thank you.

00:37:55.000 See you guys tomorrow.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 27, 2023

The War Against the Shadow Government with John McEntee

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