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00:04:50.000It's not the most important issue for me, but it's obviously one where I have certain opinions that derive, I guess I'm a recipient of a lot of hate because of that.
00:04:58.000I think it's first important to understand there's three questions that you need to ask about the Israel-Hamas issue.
00:05:03.000And then you must be very clear, first and foremost, who the actors are.
00:06:35.000I think there's been a lot of rewriting of history, a lot of what-about-ism.
00:06:38.000And what happened October 7th, regardless of your own affiliation, your own beliefs on it, you must be committed to the truth and committed to what is real, is that what happened on October 7th was a dress rehearsal and was the coming attractions of a Holocaust 2.0.
00:07:12.000They went after, individually went after civilian targets.
00:07:15.000That is very important to set the moral framework is that on the morning of October 7th, it was one of the high holy days where they celebrate the completion.
00:07:23.000Jews can celebrate the completion of reading the entire Torah, where they on Shabbat were going to celebrate one of their high holy days and they were attacked viciously.
00:07:42.000However, what started this tragic sequence of events is very important, and we must be morally clear about it.
00:07:50.000And when you talk about a conflict, who started it is very important.
00:07:54.000You might say, well, Charlie, that's kind of how, you know, if you're trying to break up a fight between two fourth graders, he started it.
00:08:24.000They might have had adverse relations with one another for the last 40 or 50 years, but all of a sudden, when you go into another country's territory with military sophistication and planning and go into nurseries and you go into homes and kibbutz with the intent to kill as many civilians as possible to not go after military targets, that is a declaration of war.
00:08:47.000And when you declare war and then you get really upset that the people you declared war on are better at war than you are, well, maybe you shouldn't have declared war in the first place.
00:08:59.000And I understand that is an unpopular opinion.
00:09:01.000Some people say, but they're a bigger military.
00:09:08.000When they went, they invited that massive military force upon them.
00:09:12.000So Israel was left with a couple options.
00:09:15.000You can respond kind of in a halfway, or you can treat it as what it was, which is another attempt to exterminate Jews from this planet, which no one here in this audience obviously supports or wants.
00:09:26.000Second, so that first question is: which side started it?
00:09:29.000What happened on October 6th and the day after on October 7th?
00:09:32.000If you want a ceasefire, people say we want a ceasefire.
00:09:35.000There was a ceasefire on the 6th of October.
00:09:40.000Okay, this is a very important topic when you look at the moral equivalence.
00:09:43.000Israel is far from a perfect nation, and I am not an apologist for the Israeli government.
00:09:47.000There's a lot that they do that I do not like.
00:09:49.000There's a lot I've spoken out that I do not like.
00:09:51.000So I'm not going to apologize for everything they've done.
00:09:53.000In fact, I received a lot of flack very early on when I said it's very suspicious to me the intelligence breakdown that led to the events on October 7th, and it's one of the most fortified borders.
00:10:03.000I'm not an apologist, but I am committed to truth.
00:10:06.000And this is a very fundamental question.
00:10:08.000Which side, Israel Hamas, has actually started and built and sustained a civilization that is closest to one that all of you enjoy?
00:10:17.000The one that you enjoy is one that respects private property rights, one that allows you to engage in commerce, one that allows you to, if you want to go to church, that's fine.
00:10:26.000If you want to protest against me, that's perfectly fine.
00:10:30.000Which side has a form of government or a civilization that is closest to the Western form?
00:10:37.000In Hamas, it is under terroristic control, the furthest thing from the Western government.
00:10:42.000In Israel, they have built a flourishing civilization and economy and against all odds.
00:10:46.000And the final of which, which I don't anticipate to be very persuasive for you, but it is for me, and I think it's very important.
00:10:52.000The third question: which side has supporters that the more you hear from them and the more you see them, the less likely you are to be sympathetic with their cause?
00:11:03.000And I, again, you might not find you like, well, what do you mean?
00:11:06.000You go look at the people that have filled that encampment, you say, whatever they're protesting for, I'm against.
00:11:10.000Like, by definition, like, they haven't showered in three weeks.
00:11:14.000They mobilize with, you know, umbrellas, like we're going to come and put like umbrellas in your face.
00:11:19.000Like, okay, whatever you're advocating, you're the very same people that called what happened in the summer of 2020 a mostly peaceful uprising during the riots of Floyd-Palooza, when we decided to destroy our country because of a lie from hell, saying a bitter lie from hell that we're systemically racist, which of course our country is not.
00:11:38.000We're the least racist country in the history of the world.
00:11:40.000Which side has supporters that actually want to uphold civilization, and which side has supporters that actually want to de-civilize our country?
00:11:49.000And this is what is so important, is that the very same people that are doing the encampment right now, no matter what the cause is, they would be out there.
00:11:57.000If it's against the power system, if it is against civilization, if it's against our code and custom, they would get very angry.
00:12:05.000If it's transphobia, if it's systemic racism, if it is Hamas, if it is gun control, maybe it's not as much about Israel and Hamas, and maybe it's more about these are deeply unhappy people that find meaning and purpose in trying to tear down the United States of America, a country that we cherish and enjoy.
00:12:25.000How about you go get a job and stop complaining all the time and start immerse yourself into society and build something useful?
00:12:35.000And there's a lot in common here between the Floyd riots that we saw, from attacking police, from trying to take over territory or ground that is not yours.
00:12:44.000Again, if you're engaging in speech on the encampment, fine.
00:13:01.000It's because if you complain more than you produce, you're typically on the left.
00:13:06.000And if you produce more than you complain, you're typically on the right.
00:13:12.000Because of that, we have seen this pattern time and time again that those that are willing to take to the streets and are willing to destroy and get engaged in very nasty tactics, we must remind ourselves that there is a reason for it.
00:13:28.000Because the enemy is not necessarily even Israel.
00:13:44.000It's not actually even clear, but they want to destroy what already is.
00:13:49.000And I think that's what separates what many of you believe here tonight from the forces that you've been seeing outside, which is if you go through those three questions, it is very, very important to emphasize that it is hard, nearly impossible to build the country that you've grown up in.
00:14:06.000You are growing up, and it's less and less the case, a wealthy country, a decent country, a country that affords you opportunity.
00:14:13.000Why is it that so few countries have been able to replicate what we have here in the United States of America?
00:14:19.000Is it because we have better founding documents?
00:14:21.000Our founding documents are pretty awesome.
00:14:23.000But other countries have tried, and just because you have a good constitution doesn't mean you have a great country.
00:15:13.000And the fundamental American value that needs to be repeated to every young person in this country is that this country is not nearly as bad as you've been taught.
00:15:21.000It's actually better than you've ever believed.
00:15:23.000And if you work hard and play by the rules, you can make something magnificent of your life.
00:15:29.000And at the fundamental core of all that is gratitude.
00:15:34.000How many of the people that are protesting endlessly and screaming at the sky are filled with gratitude or are they filled with ingratitude?
00:15:43.000Gratitude requires, first and foremost, recognizing that you are not the most important thing ever to exist in the history of the world.
00:15:50.000If I were to venture a guess tonight, the majority of you believe two things, that there is a God and you are not him.
00:15:57.000Those two things are critically important.
00:15:59.000Because believing those things will then make you realize that you have somebody, something to be grateful for.
00:16:07.000Secondly, and I must end on this point, then we'll do a question and answer.
00:16:11.000It is not a leap in my belief that Seattle being the most atheist city in America happens to be the hotbed of some of the most radical activity in this country.
00:16:22.000You might say, Charlie, that's a causational correlation.
00:16:24.000It's not that man fails to believe in God.
00:16:32.000There's just somebody who has replaced the traditional belief in the biblical God with the God of LGBT or the God of earth worship or the God of anti-racism or the God of I want to protest because I'm so bored and tired of smoking weed and playing video games all day long.
00:16:49.000Whatever you call God is what you will dominate.
00:16:52.000In fact, dare I say the God of Seattle life is much closer to a pagan belief system than an atheistic belief system, which is that there's symbols, there are incantations, there are parades that make you feel as if you're important and part of something.
00:17:06.000My belief system is that the death of the ethical monotheistic God, which I believe is the God of the Bible, the founding fathers agreed, but we don't have to talk deeply about that if you don't want to, is also the death of the West.
00:17:19.000Who are you to say what is good or what is evil if you cannot tell me what good and evil actually is and if that is transcendent or not?
00:17:26.000If it is everybody's personal opinion, then all that matters is power.
00:17:32.000If it is if up or down, right or left, good and evil are merely an opinion, then it matters who is actually issuing the opinion.
00:17:40.000What made America different, that value system that I've articulated, is a Christian value system that we can call a Western value system, that if you believe that there is a God and you are not him, and that God has commanded you to live a certain way.
00:17:54.000The best way I could distill this, and I know this is probably the least popular thing you could say on a college campus, so I will repeat it for clarity to make sure you remember it, is that if you live by the Ten Commandments, your society will flourish.
00:18:07.000If you do not live by the Ten Commandments, your society will collapse.
00:18:41.000If you live by the Ten Commandments and you believe that there is a God that has issued those Ten Commandments to you and you believe that they are transcendent outside of your own opinion, you will act differently.
00:18:54.000I don't believe this will be awfully persuasive for many of you, but I believe it's important to say that you are about to see the excesses of secularism in this modern era, and you are living through it.
00:19:07.000You are living through the most depressed, suicidal, anxious, alcohol-addicted generation in history.
00:19:12.000A generation that has been told that God is not cool.
00:19:19.000It's a catastrophe of kids that are looking for meaning, that do not know what is right or wrong.
00:19:24.000And what I am arguing for you is when you do that, you have moral chaos.
00:19:28.000Be very careful crashing down the gods of yesterday or the God of yesterday and saying, I don't need that.
00:19:34.000What you are living through is that moral chaos.
00:19:37.000And I would love someone to go up to the open mic and tell me by what code of conduct you guys can live under or come from that has proven to have a flourishing, prosperous society that is better than the one that I have just articulated.
00:19:48.000Because we know that the one that I've articulated, it doesn't just work for one people, but for all people.
00:19:53.000So, in closing, I'll just say this: is that I am so encouraged by what we see tonight.
00:19:59.000We could not find a room big enough to fit all of the students that want to hear from this message here at the University of Washington.
00:20:06.000We had to turn away over a thousand people.
00:20:09.000This is remarkable because if you look at the polling, Gen Z men are the most conservative that they have been in the last 50 years.
00:20:26.000Because for all of you 18, 19, and 20-year-old men out there in the audience, you are sick and tired of being told that every problem in the world is because of you.
00:20:38.000Is that just because you are a young man and specifically a young white man, that you have to apologize when you walk into the room?
00:20:46.000That you have to apologize for quote-unquote rape culture and being toxically masculine.
00:20:51.000That if you might use the wrong pronoun, which is the stupidest thing ever.
00:20:53.000We got to get rid of all pronouns, by the way.
00:21:05.000If you don't use the right pronoun, I'm going to punish you.
00:21:08.000Young men, especially, they want their country back.
00:21:11.000They want to be able to own property, get married, have children, not have to live under the fear that if they do not say the right thing, the HR manager might walk into their office and obliterate their career.
00:21:23.000They want to be able to say it's a good thing that we have men in society, that we need strong men to defeat evil in this society.
00:21:32.000And there is only one place where that sort of a message is resonating, and it certainly is not on the American left.
00:21:39.000On the American left is where androgynous beta males find a home where they're able to, you know, complain about their feelings all day long.
00:21:48.000You guys can do that while the ascendant men in this country that are serious about their future, serious about fighting evil, join the conservative movement in record numbers to go build a country worth living in and to reject the forces that have been destroying it from within.
00:23:23.000And the way I'm wired, and the way I hope many of you are wired, is I will not sit idly by when something beautiful and God-given is destroyed in front of me.
00:23:30.000I'm going to do everything I possibly can with the power that God gave me to try to make a difference.
00:23:54.000I mean, obviously, on college campuses, it's kind of the home of hookup culture.
00:23:58.000I sure hope, first and foremost, as I rot, if I build up the young men in this audience, I hope young men stop watching pornography and get away from that spiral of addiction.
00:24:12.000I hope young ladies will open up and entertain the idea of getting married at younger ages and not prioritizing their career.
00:24:23.000See, not as much applause for that one because everyone will applaud the anti-male sentiment.
00:24:44.000Both men and women have to change the way that they engage in the dating pool.
00:24:48.000Men have to stop looking at women as just potential orgasms and objects, and women have to value themselves enough to be able to say no to the men that just want to use them as objects.
00:25:00.000And in fact, it actually makes them more attractive to men when they say no to men that look that way.
00:25:05.000You might say, Charlie, that's just a bad way to categorize men.
00:25:09.000If you look at the baseline of hookup culture, that is kind of the truth of it.
00:25:12.000Look, we all have natures given to us by God, okay?
00:25:16.000So the best possible way I could summarize this, and social media and pornography, online pornography, have been the two worst ways to basically address this.
00:25:26.000Men desire lots of sexual attention and satisfaction almost constantly.
00:25:32.000So pornography has, quote-unquote, filled that void.
00:25:35.000Women, they desire community and attention almost relentlessly.
00:25:41.000And social media has filled that void.
00:25:43.000So instead of actually having intimate personal relationships, we've gone digital in both areas, and we have seen a widespread deterioration of customs and norms because of that.
00:26:52.000But my question today is: your take on single motherhood in this country, you recognize that African Americans are disproportionately committing more crimes, right?
00:27:02.000And they're in more, and they take up a larger percentage of our prisons, or 40%, well, maybe only 13% of the population.
00:27:10.000And then you attribute that, I think you said, to the culture and then single motherhood in the country, starting from the 1960s.
00:27:16.000My question to you is: why did it affect specifically African Americans as opposed to other races?
00:27:22.000Because other races can also get married.
00:27:28.000I mean, a working hypothesis according to Thomas Sowell is culture, is that there was a cultural breakdown in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s where paired with government programs and subsidizing single motherhood, we saw a breakdown of the black family.
00:27:41.000And unfortunately, that has continued where the norms in black America are no longer that the man has to stay alongside the woman that he impregnates, and that three out of four young black kids in this country are not raised alongside of a stable father in the home.
00:27:54.000So we don't know exactly the answer, but culture is probably a good explanation.
00:28:07.000First of all, as an Israeli, I wanted to thank you in the last six months for advocating for my country's right to exist, and I really appreciate that.
00:28:18.000One thing is in my home country, we do have our own civil internal problems of some religious extremism.
00:28:26.000We have a lot of ultra-Orthodox, Haredi religious people who aren't serving in the military and still taking money from the government.
00:28:36.000When you talk about the Ten Commandments being a framework, I guess when you think about other public intellectuals, maybe on the left, like Sam Harris, that advocate for some kind of secular humanism and mindfulness and don't advocate for the crazy stuff we see 100 feet outside of our window, why do you think there's a flaw in non-religious kind of secular humanistic philosophy?
00:29:00.000It's an excellent question because it was made by man, not by the divine.
00:29:06.000And so in order for the Ten Commandments to work, you must believe that there's an element of something transcendent that either wrote it, that delivered it, or that was behind it.
00:29:16.000The Ten Commandments lose its potency if they're just 10 suggestions for life by some PhD.
00:29:23.000They no longer, the Ten Commandments worked to build Western society because you had a population that believed that if they didn't follow the Ten Commandments, that God would judge them and that God wanted them to live that way.
00:29:39.000And so if Sam Harris, who is allegedly a public intellectual and all this, he's very smart, but I think his ideas are silly.
00:29:45.000He's trying to solve the religious problem with a quasi-religious solution without ever actually getting to the baseline of this.
00:29:53.000And this is something that even the atheists in this room will hopefully end up believing in, which is this, is that before I persuade you on the existence of God, I bet I can get you closer to the idea of the necessity of believing in a God.
00:30:07.000And then if you do not believe in a God, in a God that is transcendent above you, how do you act?
00:30:13.000Where do you know what is right or wrong, or good or evil?
00:30:15.000And before you say it's, oh, it's just built into me, that's complete rubbish.
00:30:19.000You can visit country after country in the third world of how they treat children, of how they treat women.
00:30:25.000It is not natural to do what we've done here in the West.
00:30:27.000You think it's natural because you've been raised in a Western construct.
00:30:31.000And so when the population looks at the Ten Commandments, for example, and they just look at it as like some nice life advice or some good ideas, it loses its zing or its spice to be able to actually put a population back towards ethical behavior.
00:31:00.000In my hoodie, I got straight from the Joe Biden re-election campaign.
00:31:04.000So I wanted to ask about, so when we look at all the countries in the world, we generally see that the conservative backwards countries exist mostly in the third world.
00:31:14.000I guess my question is, why do countries like the Western countries which support LGBTQ, support women's rights, support just liberal policies?
00:31:24.000Why do those tend to thrive over the backwards conservative ones?
00:33:34.000They're wealthy because they allow people like women to get into the workplace and have protections for their workers.
00:33:42.000Again, I'm not against any of that, but I want to talk about it.
00:33:43.000Can you tell me why the LGBTQI plus equals wealth?
00:33:48.000Well, I'm not saying it necessarily equals wealth.
00:33:50.000I'm just saying that the liberal ideologies that dominate in Western countries and in places that tend to have a dominant place in the world like the United States, why do places that prioritize diversity and inclusion of all people, like they seem to be able to dominate countries that are highly restrictive and democracies.
00:34:12.000You're conflating a couple things here.
00:34:13.000What you're talking about is a free market inheritance that Western countries received, and then they've plastered on this LGBTQI plus nonsense on top of a multi-decade free market inheritance that gave them these multi-trillion dollar economies, and they say, oh, we're rich because of the gay flag.
00:34:32.000No, you're rich because of private property rights and the Western tradition for the rule of law and separation of powers and free market capitalism.
00:35:25.000Well, hold on, let's talk about Boeing's a local phenomenon here.
00:35:28.000When your airplane is being made, do you want a qualified mechanic from Boeing or a black mechanic from Boeing that might have been accepted for lower standards?
00:35:38.000I'm not in favor of lowering standards to include...
00:35:54.000Every example of diversity, equity, inclusion, from Harvard to Goldman Sachs to Boeing to Stanford is that you do need to relax and lower the standards.
00:36:05.000In Harvard, for example, they had to lower the SAT quota by 200 to 300 points per racial demographic for Asians and whites comparable to black application students.
00:36:15.000We know this because of the Supreme Court case that came out of it.
00:36:19.000But I just want to make sure that I'm clear.
00:36:22.000Why does it matter, though, to advance the melanin content in certain people's skin more than saying we are going to have a colorblind, excellent-driven, merit-based practice?
00:36:35.000What does the push of diversity matter so much?
00:36:37.000So I don't know who you're debating because I didn't advocate for any of that, actually.
00:36:45.000You came up here and said that the countries that embrace diversity, equity, inclusion, diversity, and LGBTQ plus are the wealthiest and the greatest.
00:36:55.000I'm asking you why then you are talking favorably of diversity while you could instead say we should stop doing that and instead talk favorably about why these countries are rich in the first place, which is a merit-based, excellence-driven belief system, not a diverse one.
00:37:12.000You're responding to a completely different question I didn't ask.
00:37:14.000So I'm not in favor of lowering standards.
00:37:17.000I am in favor of promoting people that generally don't, like people of different backgrounds that generally don't find themselves in certain industries.
00:37:25.000I'm in favor of promoting them to be able to compete in those marketplaces.
00:37:30.000That's by definition lowering standards because it wouldn't be because here's the answer, is that if you didn't have to have a whole new program, then you just allow the hiring to continue and they would hire whoever the best person for the job is.
00:37:43.000The whole idea of diversity, equity, inclusion is that we have to change the criteria because we're not hitting some sort of abstract diversity goal because the computer science department isn't black enough or some nonsense.
00:37:55.000Or Microsoft needs more lesbian women coding for them or something.
00:38:01.000And here's you asked a very specific question.
00:38:03.000I'll give you a specific answer here at the end.
00:38:05.000You said, why is it that Western countries are so much richer than their totalitarian counterparts in other parts?
00:38:11.000It's because in the rules-based World War II order, we didn't have this DEI nonsense for the last 50 or 60 years.
00:38:18.000And we've built this treasure chest of wealth and prosperity that is now being plundered by the DEI commissars of the West that are now spending down our inheritance with terrible ideas.
00:38:30.000And when that money runs out, when all of a sudden that wealth disappears, it's not LGBTQI plus that is going to build the next Google, Goldman Sachs, Microsoft, Starbucks, or Boeing.
00:38:40.000It is color-blind, merit-based hiring practices that build beautiful and excellent things.
00:39:02.000So my question is, you support Christian values, as do I. How do you support a man who, in many ways, is the antithesis of those values in Donald Trump?
00:39:13.000I thought you were going to say Joe Biden.
00:39:17.000You've supported Trump in the primaries, too.
00:40:35.000Number one, Donald Trump gave us and fulfilled the promise three excellent Supreme Court justices so that we had the reversal of Roe versus Wade.
00:41:52.000Other candidates who probably have better character in the primary.
00:41:57.000What do you mean by character exactly?
00:41:59.000Like not having a history of adultery, not having a history of immorality, mocking Mike Pence for praying in the white house.
00:42:06.000Okay, so you believe that anyone that has wrongfully cheated on their wife should be disqualified from leadership, public office, all that stuff.
00:42:14.000So your standards are higher than God's since King David became king over Israel.
00:42:19.000So you haven't shown the proper remorse for those actions.
00:42:22.000Okay, well, you don't know what remorse he has shown or has not shown.
00:42:25.000But secondly, I'm not going to get into the deep thicket here of defending Donald Trump's personal life because we're in a binary right now.
00:42:32.000Instead of moralizing against a man who's facing 700 years in federal prison for trying to put the American citizen first, I think we as Christians should get on our hands and knees and thank God that we have a fighter that is willing to actually go to D.C. and fight for us against that very regime.
00:42:51.000You say, how can I as a Christian, I look at Samson, I look at David, I look at sinners throughout the Bible that were used for God's purposes.
00:42:59.000Yeah, but are you saying that sinners are better than people who have less sins?
00:43:04.000Because if you looked at someone, just for example, like Ron DeSantis, who has, in my opinion, a much better character than Donald Trump, are you saying that he wouldn't have gone to D.C. and fought for the values that you're saying Trump would fight for?
00:43:42.000Reagan is not as good of a president as Donald Trump.
00:43:45.000Reagan gave us no-fault divorce, mass amnesty.
00:43:48.000Reagan also expanded the national security state.
00:43:50.000Reagan was a fine president, but nowhere near as ineffective a Donald Trump president.
00:43:54.000So that's the question ahead of us, which is if you only look at character, which is your version of character, I don't share that version of character.
00:44:00.000It's does the politician do what he says he's going to do?
00:44:03.000And he did what he said he was going to do.
00:44:28.000Like, you can go way back into the presidential register here.
00:44:32.000I'm not advocating for Jimmy Carter's presidency from hospice, okay?
00:44:37.000It's a very simple question, which is, in the modern era, from Clinton to Bush to Obama to Trump to Biden, those are five presidents, okay?
00:44:47.000Only one of those five did not start a new international, reckless, adventurous war in any theater.
00:45:30.000Okay, well, then you're going to vote for a pro-abortion, you know, pro-choice guy who would put radical left-wingers on a Supreme Court that would never win.
00:45:37.000You live in Washington, so your vote doesn't matter that much anyway.
00:45:42.000I mean, it's unfortunately a super left-wing state.
00:45:45.000But, and just so we're clear, RFK is also an adulterer.
00:45:48.000I don't know if you've looked into that, so if your criteria is kind of falling apart.
00:45:52.000So I will just emphasize this, which is, as a Christian, it is tempting to try to impart our disciplined moral walk on every single politician that runs for office.
00:46:21.000Firstly, as a liberal, I would like to say I'm shaking right now and I'm coming here with respect because I do not want to end up on a highlight reel.
00:46:27.000And I also am intimidated as I think you are very beautiful.
00:46:32.000It is my belief, correct me if I'm wrong, that you are not completely against immigration as long as the people coming here share the values present in this country.
00:46:40.000That being said, don't you believe we have a duty to take in Muslim refugees who oftentimes have different values than ours, as we have directly or indirectly disabilized dozens of Muslim countries from Iraq and Iran by invading them and pushing our values down their throats, democracy, which has proven to be a failure in other countries.
00:46:58.000No, we don't have an obligation to take them in.
00:48:04.000So does the actual concrete data that shows that Trump was a peacemaker and kept stability abroad, is that persuasive to you?
00:48:14.000With Ukraine, I feel like the Ukraine war is justified.
00:48:17.000I feel like war is not always justified, and I think you agree with that, because I think you support what Israel is doing in Gaza right now.
00:48:23.000But I feel like the world is going down and American influence is leaving, and we have the right, and we must aid Ukraine.
00:48:31.000Okay, yeah, I mean, I disagree with that.
00:48:33.000Took a lot of courage for you to get up to this mic.
00:50:02.000If I'm on an island and let's just demystify part of this, and there's the Bible, and then there's Lord of the Rings, and I end up believing in one of those, which is true.
00:50:12.000Well, what's true is just what corresponds with reality.
00:50:29.000No, so the thing that I'm talking about is doesn't have to do with whether or not Christianity is good or bad or whether I agree with most of the.
00:50:36.000Yeah, it's just regarding like, yeah, one can be true, but even if one is true, it doesn't really feel like I'm influenced in terms of what I feel is good or bad.
00:50:47.000Because obviously, you know, there are people who are Muslim who have read the Bible and still are more persuaded by Islam.
00:50:55.000I mean, you could be persuaded by anything, right?
00:51:07.000I'm talking strictly from a moral sense.
00:51:09.000So let's just ask a separate question, which is, do you think people are naturally, naturally, outside of religious teaching, good or not so good?
00:51:56.000Yeah, so not necessarily why we need objective morality, but you seem to be, because obviously I don't believe that it's a thing, but you seem to make the claim that...
00:52:10.000Yeah, the big thing is, is for me, even if I have a God, there is no thing telling me, like, you know, it's just like the is-ot problem, right?
00:54:13.000No, I just want to make sure this is important because what you are saying, and you're saying it very clearly, is that we look at the Holocaust and it's just a matter of opinion.
00:54:23.000Yeah, that's kind of the problem of being an atheist.
00:54:57.000Well, I am making claims, yeah, but I'm not making a claim that, like, we should behave in a certain way or like that we ought to like, you know, not have Christianity or some kind of...
00:55:05.000No, no, no, I'm not saying that, but let me play this out, and I think you'll understand.
00:55:08.000I understand because you're going to say, well, there's all these bad things that could happen if people or that did happen.
00:55:13.000If your view becomes a view of a country, and for example, putting a thousand Jews in a gas chamber is not deemed as objectively wrong, transcendent above anyone's opinion, then all of a sudden, what would prevent that evil thing from occurring and nobody questioning it?
00:55:30.000So, my main idea, I guess, with the worldview is: I'm not making a claim again about how things should be.
00:55:36.000I'm making a claim that this is how things are.
00:55:38.000So, within my worldview, this is all fine.
00:55:41.000You can have people agreeing that things are wrong.
00:55:44.000Generally, I think most people's moral intuitions will lead them to thinking that things like murder is wrong and stealing is wrong because it makes you feel bad, right?
00:55:51.000Well, if I see somebody get hurt, that makes me feel bad.
00:55:53.000If you see somebody die, that makes you feel bad.
00:55:55.000Yeah, the SS guards didn't feel bad when they killed Jews, and that's okay.
00:55:58.000But do you see where this might unravel into mass murder and societal chaos?
00:56:05.000I'm making a description about the way people derive their morals.
00:56:08.000I'm not saying how we should or shouldn't.
00:56:09.000I'm saying this is how you derive your morals.
00:56:12.000If you have two books there, the trueness or correspondence with reality has zero anything to do with your preference towards one moral system or another.
00:56:21.000Or maybe the true one says, don't gas the Jews.
00:56:54.000No, and you're the first person ever to your credit to answer the atheist Nazi question clearly, which is that an atheist cannot objectively say that the Holocaust is wrong.
00:57:06.000I'm arguing against objective, like the idea that...
00:57:08.000No, you're being usually there's some withering there.
00:58:22.000So I grew up in a community where Christians were a minority with primarily Muslim and Jewish people.
00:58:31.000And we had the Jewish high holidays off.
00:58:34.000And it's really interesting that we're just casually talking about Jews being murdered as a debate point.
00:58:41.000Anyway, I was wondering to what extent you agreed or disagreed with Christian Zionists like John Hagee and the late Pat Robertson about the expulsion of Non-Jews from Israel's territory, as allegedly indicated in the Bible, as being a necessary prerequisite for the second coming of Christ.
00:59:14.000My opinions on Israel are, I don't get into the specific politics or theology there.
00:59:18.000I instead say that Israel has a right to exist, a country the size of New Jersey that has half the world's Jewry, that is in the Middle East, where there are over 20 Muslim-majority countries, that a single Jewish nation state has a right to exist in the Middle East.
00:59:32.000When it gets into those specific issues, I don't get too far into that.
00:59:38.000And I want to say there's a lot of pastors that know much more about the theology of the end times than I do, so I point people to them.
00:59:44.000So as we speak, Rafah is being bombed right now.
00:59:50.000And as an analogy, after 9-11, which I remember clearly, I watched it on the television with my parents, around 3,000 Americans were killed on that day.
01:00:05.000As a result, Afghanistan was invaded, and estimates say that around 70,000 civilians died as a result of that invasion.
01:00:17.000And then later, despite having no connection to the Saudi militants who were responsible for the Iraq was invaded.
01:00:31.000And a 2013 study by the University of Washington estimated that over 400,000 Iraqis were killed as a result of that action.
01:01:51.000No, I also want to understand, do you think that Christians are superior to people of other faiths and they have more of a right to self-determination in terms of allocating borders?
01:02:03.000No, I don't believe that Christians are superior.
01:02:05.000Okay, so then why are you supporting allocating $3 billion to Israel?
01:03:52.000But let me just ask a very simple question.
01:03:54.000If it's true and Israel only wanted to kill as many Gazans as possible, why are they putting ground troops into Rafah where they will assuredly lose their own defense forces?
01:04:05.000Why don't they just carpet bomb Rafah to be a parking?
01:04:33.000First of all, let me just ask a very, I want you to answer the question that I think is very important, which is, sorry, just, you're very excited about this, and I'm honestly not that worked out.
01:04:44.000I'm excited about the U.S. funding genocide against innocent people.
01:09:30.000That's not relevant to the questions I want to ask now.
01:09:32.000But when I make mistakes, I like to take ownership and circle back and correct them.
01:09:37.000We talked earlier, I make clear that me and you do not see eye to eye on many issues, likely most of them.
01:09:42.000But that doesn't mean that I don't have conservative friends and conservative role models that have been there for me.
01:09:47.000And I know my stepdad would be very proud that I'm talking to you right now.
01:09:50.000And he's been there for me when no one else has.
01:09:53.000So to start this conversation, I'm hoping to reach across the aisle because I think it's important to mobilize the left and mobilize the right.
01:09:59.000I remember you from earlier, very pleasant.
01:11:03.000I wanted to bring attention to the fact that the University of Washington has retaliated against students with disabilities, veterans who didn't have their rights.
01:11:14.000Veterans who would need a scribe in a class, for example, who was denied a reasonable accommodation of a scribe, who could barely move their hands.
01:11:20.000They're given basically a speech-to-text software that two-factor authentication forced onto the machine.
01:11:25.000And it had the 2FA, it had to verify that they're human.
01:11:29.000They couldn't verify they're human to turn the thing on.
01:11:31.000And they didn't do that to all students.
01:12:56.000I'm a junior studying finance and information systems.
01:13:00.000And just recently, I did an analysis on human capital and financial capital.
01:13:05.000And college turns out to be one of the best investments you can make because it increases your human capital over your lifetime, allowing you to earn more money and overall have a better quality of life.
01:13:16.000And why do you believe that college is a scam, knowing that?
01:13:20.000So let's just go through a couple numbers here.
01:13:51.000The national graduation rate, only 41% of 41% of people that enter college will not graduate.
01:13:56.000Half of this audience, when you enter the job market pool, if you get a job, you will not need your college degree when you actually end up getting that job.
01:14:19.000However, for many of you, you have been sold a bill of goods and lied to to unnecessarily go into college to study things that don't matter to go find jobs that don't exist.
01:14:31.000In this audience, how many of you have been forced to take a class that is a waste of time or money that you wish you would not have to take?
01:15:05.000And building on top of that, the average college graduate earns more than $900,000.
01:15:11.000A college, sorry, a male college graduate earns more than $900,000 compared to their high school graduate counterpart.
01:15:18.000And a female college graduate earned more than $630,000 over their lifetime.
01:15:23.000My problem with your statement is that you're possibly discouraging future doctors, engineers, and professionals from taking the college child.
01:15:34.000And so, but secondly, you have to factor in what they're studying.
01:15:37.000So that study only makes sense if you factor in the degree.
01:15:41.000And so if you're here studying computer science, which is a great program here at UW, that's fine.
01:15:47.000But if you're studying sociology, life sciences, or communications, it brings down the average dramatically.
01:15:52.000And so we have 11 million job openings we can't fill because we have way too many people going after the credential in college and not getting the skills that are necessary for advanced manufacturing, things of that nature.
01:16:05.000And we don't have to agree on that, but I mean, I'm here to just tell you guys that you're getting ripped off and you're getting scammed and it's not worth the time or money that many of you guys are putting in.
01:16:14.000So is it correct to my understanding that you still think college is a scam and you do discourage future students from becoming doctors?
01:16:24.000I say that if I'm discouraging somebody from going $280,000 into debt to go be filled with ideas that don't matter if they have a really good skill or an idea to start a business or they have an opportunity that they say no to at the age of 18 to go endlessly into the college circuit, yes, I'm absolutely discouraging them to automatically go into a college four-year cycle.
01:17:42.000Thank you so much for being here today.
01:17:43.000My name is Griffin, so I am a leftist and an atheist, and I think we disagree on a lot of things, but I respect you coming here for this dialogue.
01:17:51.000What I really want to focus on today is not problems, but solutions.
01:17:54.000So you have repeatedly called Trump the only anti-war candidate, and that's directly to quote you, and blame the current conflict in Gaza, at least somewhat, on Biden and his policies.
01:18:06.000What concrete steps, if any, do you believe Donald Trump would or should take to actually end that conflict or help save lives and save people?
01:18:22.000So through multiple steps and measures, Joe Biden has released or unfrozen over $50 billion that went to the Iranian mullahs, and they send that money back for rockets and assistance.
01:18:35.000And through the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, they were the intel operation arm of what happened with Hamas on October 7th.
01:18:41.000So that's some concrete actions immediately.
01:18:46.000Yeah, so another great kind of point or a subset of that is Donald Trump has made it very clear that he is in support of Israel's war and even before has been in support of the not genocide, but the apartheid that has been occurring in Gaza with the mass displacement of people from their homes, whether or not you think they are entitled to the land or not.
01:19:07.000Do you think that continuous support to Israel will do much in stopping a terrorist group that, well horrible, is formed primarily in objection to individuals being displaced from their homes?
01:19:19.000Well, first of all, Donald Trump recently said he wants to see Israel, quote, wrap up the war.
01:19:27.000Well, I mean, he was actually a pretty awesome president when he came to war.
01:19:30.000Biden, who I'm guessing you're voting for, has us in more wars than he can even count to, which is not very high, obviously, just looking at him.
01:19:36.000I mean, we have active theaters in Yemen and Syria.
01:20:08.000Which is if you want to see less war and less unjust human suffering, which we all agree with, there's only one president that was able to keep Vladimir Putin from taking more Ukrainian land.
01:20:18.000Under Barack Obama, Vladimir Putin annexed Crimea.
01:20:22.000When Donald Trump was president, he did not get an extra inch of Ukraine.
01:20:25.000Under Joe Biden, he invaded Ukraine and we spent $200 billion and 100,000 dead Ukrainians.
01:20:32.000And I think that's really important to talk about here because I want to note that Russian leadership has time and time again been in favor of a Trump presidency.
01:20:41.000My question to you is what exactly would Donald Trump have done differently than Biden to stop the current annexation of Ukrainian land?
01:20:52.000I could just point to that he didn't do it when he was president.
01:20:56.000And that's because Trump was able, he was willing to threaten Putin when Putin got a little too uppity.
01:21:01.000And he was also willing to not make Russia into an unnecessary enemy in the 21st century and configure us instead against China and the Chinese Communist Party.
01:21:10.000And so I don't need to like ask, oh, what would Trump do or not?
01:21:52.000But neither candidate benefits me when we see wars that hurt thousands to benefit tens of people.
01:21:58.000My ultimate question to you is this showmanship or this idea that Donald Trump was this amazing negotiator is fundamentally not backed up by...
01:22:06.000Well, hold on, it's totally backed up because we have four years of a presidency to look at.
01:22:10.000If Trump was just a candidate, your point would be fair.
01:22:40.000I want to note that most of the things that happened during the early years of Biden's presidency were actually set up during the Trump presidency.
01:22:48.000Now we're blaming Trump for what's happening immediately.
01:22:51.000Do you notice I don't blame Obama for anything that Trump inherited?
01:22:55.000I instead am able to brag because Trump has accomplishments while Biden has nothing but destructive impulses.
01:23:01.000Trump has been the worst president for U.S. foreign relations, for democracy, and fundamental rights.
01:23:17.000This whole idea of democracy, which is very hard for the left to ever define, but let's just kind of play this out: is that when Donald Trump was president, we weren't worrying about Putin invading Ukraine.
01:23:29.000We weren't worrying about Israel fighting Hamas.
01:23:40.000So, I really want to make this clear because I think that that point kind of talks about like, it doesn't actually answer my question whatsoever.
01:23:47.000I could say the same: like, why is it that under Trump, the economy fell faster than it has?
01:23:55.000It's because we locked down the country and we shouldn't have, and we got it all back by the time the election was happening nine months later.
01:24:01.000You asked a question: why did the economy fall?
01:24:04.000We decided to lock down our country, something that we should never have done, and we decided to close businesses unnecessarily.
01:24:12.000And by the time the election was occurring, the market had already recovered and jobs were already coming back.
01:24:20.000Not necessarily that we shouldn't have shut down the economy, but that outside factors influence basically what happened during a president's time.
01:24:28.000Now, I actually think that the war in Gaza, as it happens, is not directly related to the policy that Biden has done, other than supporting Israel and providing military aid in that sense.
01:24:38.000And also, for example, the war in Ukraine is actually largely because they no longer have a president like Donald Trump who they believe they can manipulate and like Russian leadership can use the way they were.
01:24:47.000In fact, as Biden has taken actually more of an anti-Russian stance, it means they maybe Trump is manipulating Putin.
01:25:35.000But besides poking fun at Joe Biden's senility, let me just ask some three very simple questions.
01:25:41.000When Trump was president and when Biden is president, because now we have four independent terms, right?
01:25:47.000It's not like, oh, here's what I think.
01:25:48.000For the first time since the 1892 election, we actually have two people that have previously been president running up against one another, right?
01:25:54.0001892, Grover Cleveland versus Benjamin Harrison.
01:25:57.000So when independent terms, which one was managing the border better?
01:26:11.000Economically, when an immigrant comes to this country, even an illegal immigrant, even someone who does not have high-level, high-earning skills, they contribute more to the economy as a whole than they take away.
01:26:25.000They contribute to fixed expenses like the military.
01:26:27.000They provide more into social benefits than they take.
01:26:31.000And if we're talking about issues with like job scarcity, what we actually have is an issue with job distribution and the way our systems are set up to take advantage of poor working class Americans.
01:27:26.000How many people are being turned away at the border?
01:27:28.000Are we doing DNA testing, background checks?
01:27:30.000But you mean, like, turned away at the border?
01:27:32.000Lots of people are turned away at the border.
01:27:34.000Immigrating to the U.S. legally, the majority of them don't have to be afraid of the city.
01:27:38.000If you show up in Ciudad Juarez at the other side of El Paso and you claim asylum, welcome, buddy.
01:27:43.000You get a free ticket to the interior United States, cell phone, benefits, social security number, and you are now in the United States of America despite breaking the laws.
01:28:13.000And more than that, what actually we need when we're talking about immigration reform, we need to make immigration more accessible for legal immigration.
01:29:31.000And if you actually took the time yourselves to read the policy, to actually read the legislation and the real impact it's had on the day-to-day lives, economies, or global foreign policy that Donald Trump has impacted, you would see it's by and large negative.
01:29:45.000I do not just not support Trump because he made fun of a disabled reporter, despite the fact that I find that appalling that an elected official would do that.
01:29:55.000I do not think his policy has benefited America, benefited the world at all.
01:30:01.000So, but you don't think that, but actually, in every public opinion poll, they say the Trump economy is way better than the Biden economy, and they were richer than ever before.
01:30:28.000I'm the vice president of the College of Democrats of Washington, but I love having debates with and learning from folks with whom I disagree.
01:30:35.000My question is about the corporate tax rate and specifically the top marginal corporate tax rate.
01:30:42.000Why do you believe that increasing the top marginal corporate tax rate would stifle innovation and harm our economy?
01:30:51.000Well, I mean, by definition, first of all, the government is already way too big and we shouldn't raise taxes as it is.
01:30:56.000I mean, we have a $6 trillion federal budget right now.
01:30:59.000But it depends on what you mean by a corporation.
01:31:01.000Do you mean Apple or do you mean your local laundromat?
01:31:04.000Well, the top marginal corporate tax rate, so let's just say for large cap companies over $10 billion.
01:31:19.000Why do I think it will stifle innovation?
01:31:20.000Well, the more the government takes, then the less money the companies will have to actually invest in products for research and development.
01:31:26.000And I'm not a defender of corporations.
01:31:27.000In fact, I think corporations are doing a lot of damage to this country, right now.
01:31:30.000Yeah, but I would personally advocate for increasing it perhaps to double what it is right now at 21%.
01:31:52.000He's worth $120 billion, so he can jet around the world complaining about climate change and trying to get people to take vaccines they don't need.
01:32:06.000They forcibly take money away from an efficient part of our country and they transfer it to an inefficient, bloated, corrupt part of our country.
01:32:15.000So it's not that we should have zero taxes.
01:32:18.000It's that you're calling for doubling, which is to take more money from a efficient part of the economy towards a bloated federal government that is already spending $6 trillion a year, the biggest the government has ever been.
01:32:30.000I mean, I would push back on the idea that it is an efficient part of the economy.
01:32:34.000Look at, for example, Microsoft and Apple.
01:32:36.000Both of these companies have over $150 billion in cash on hand, not cash that is being used for R ⁇ D, cash that is just sitting in bank accounts.
01:32:46.000And I would like to point out that these two companies, the two most valuable companies in the world, were founded while the corporate tax rates were significantly higher than they are right now.
01:32:55.000So of course now, like they're massive behemoths, it doesn't affect them.
01:32:59.000But when these companies were getting started, like the corporate tax rates were incredibly high.
01:33:27.000You're going to intentionally show losses to not pay taxes.
01:33:30.000Taxes, by definition, are only going to be on profits.
01:33:32.000So Apple and Microsoft being very nifty, they said, we're just going to keep on showing deficits and showing losses, therefore evading all corporate taxes for 20 years.
01:33:42.000By boosting the stock price by going through an IPO, an initial public offering, and then eventually going on the public market and boosting their valuation by showing losses, but their valuation is actually much greater than the quote-unquote profit.
01:33:53.000Does that make sense, the profit margin?
01:34:23.000Microsoft in the 80s and the 90s was a profitable company.
01:34:26.000No, I understand, but the point being is that these startup companies, I'd have to go all the way back into the business literature of every single year, they intentionally, just using as an example, their stock as leverage to not actually post earnings.
01:34:39.000So if you want to tax revenue, that's a separate issue, right?
01:34:41.000Because a lot of these companies aren't...
01:34:56.000Hey, Charlie, as a fellow Christian brother, I agree with a lot of Christian values you have, but I do have a dilemma.
01:35:03.000When a couple of days ago, Hamas calls for a ceasefire, they're reeling, I mean, they have no shot against the Israeli army.
01:35:10.000Is it biblical to reject the ceasefire, in your opinion?
01:35:14.000And I'm all for fortifying the Israeli border as I also believe Israel is God's chosen people.
01:35:19.000So my question is, is it biblical to reject a ceasefire?
01:35:25.000Because in the Sermon on the Mount, like you know, Jesus preaches, blessed are the peacemakers and pray for those who persecute you and love your enemies.
01:35:33.000So my thing is like maybe we should pull back to the border and just fortify the border and protect the Israeli people and like our Muslim brothers and sisters like give them a chance to like...
01:35:55.000And if it turns out that Israel, and I'm willing to say this as someone who's pro-Israel, if they actually turned away a good deal, then they're in the wrong.
01:36:02.000But if they turned away a fake deal, which it probably was, because I don't trust Hamas at all because they're modern Nazis, almost assuredly it wasn't, then it is okay to turn away.
01:36:10.000Because just because it's called a peace deal doesn't actually mean it's a peace deal.
01:36:14.000Do you know any because I don't know much about the peace deal either.
01:37:24.000Because through that ethos, we've been able to enable the creation of strong market economies in Eastern Europe through the downfall of the Soviet Union.
01:37:31.000And by continuing to expand those market economies, we've increased the amount of consumer products available, raised the standard of living throughout the world, and have continued to spread democracy as well.
01:37:41.000So just to be clear, you think Ukraine's a democracy?
01:37:44.000I think that it will become a democracy with our help.
01:37:51.000Why don't they hold one during the war?
01:37:53.000Because it's pretty hard to have people voting in polling centers when they're having...
01:37:57.000Tell that to Abraham Lincoln, who held a war during the midst of the Civil War.
01:38:01.000The states in the South did not vote for the government.
01:38:03.000Maybe they don't want to hold an election because Zelensky is not a legitimate leader of Ukraine, because our government displaced the old leader in the Maidan Revolution and installed Zelensky.
01:38:49.000So, what does success look like in Ukraine?
01:38:52.000Success looks like fully repelling the Russian invasion or at least stopping it, turning it into a meat grinder, so that Russia is weakened for perpetuity.
01:39:05.000Okay, so you disagree with the Biden administration?
01:39:07.000That's fine, because they want to get rid of, they want Crimea to come back to Ukraine.
01:39:10.000So, would you agree that it was wrong for the U.S. government to go into a meeting with Putin's auxiliaries in Istanbul and blow up a potential peace deal 10 days into the war, which we did?
01:39:22.000Could you elaborate on what that means?
01:39:24.000Ten days into the war, in Istanbul, Turkey, Tony Blinken and Boris Johnson went into a meeting with the Russian Federation, and there was a proposed peace deal on the table that would have given eastern Ukraine to Russia, part of it, and ended the war.
01:40:36.000So when Trump was president, they didn't have missiles or tanks.
01:40:40.000If Trump was really their selected chosen candidate, they didn't advance their lands by one square inch, which is the stated goal of Vladimir Putin's whole presidency.
01:41:29.000No, maybe, but it makes a difference if you have hundreds of thousands of fake accounts and even real accounts actually advocating for this person.
01:42:56.000They might actually take all of Ukraine because of us.
01:42:58.000And now 100,000 Ukrainians are dead because of us.
01:43:01.000So if it's about stopping the meat grinder, we, the American Foreign Policy Project, thanks to Joe Biden, we have more Ukrainians dead than we could ever comprehend, and over 2 million displaced.
01:45:22.000That's wrong because they'd still be taking the children of Ukrainian parents and deporting them into farther into Russia to give them to the Russian parents.
01:45:29.000Even if they had annexed the Ukrainian government.
01:46:32.000And quite honestly, I think it's one of the great moral tragedies of our time that we're supposed to hate Russia so much that an entire generation of Ukrainian men are supposed to die for it.
01:47:05.000However, with the revoking of Roe versus Wade, we see that the power has then been divested into the states, whereas I believe that we should have a federal abolition on abortion, that it is a federally, or sorry, the life of a child should be a federally protected human being.
01:47:26.000And I was wondering if I could have your stance on it.
01:47:29.000I think we should also have, for example, federal increases in border security.
01:48:03.000So then I'm just wondering, if the rhetoric is to divest into local solutions, why should we allow states such as California, Oregon, cities like Portland to run themselves into the ground without federal intervention?
01:48:19.000I mean, it's been a huge win to send it back to the states because beforehand, abortion was the law of the land as per the decision of Roe versus Wade.
01:48:26.000But eventually I'd love to be able to build consensus and do something nationally, but we're not there yet.
01:49:00.000Do you believe that that, I mean, aside from being taught through listening or preaching, you can get that through praying or meditation if you were like an uncontacted tribe, right?
01:49:27.000Yeah, I said that the Bible is the source of ultimate moral truth.
01:49:29.000Okay, I just think it's very important to be precise because if you're not very clear about what you mean and someone's listening who doesn't understand the minutiae of Christian dogma, they're going to think that you're absolving non-believers of their moral responsibility and it makes salvation seem, to someone who's uninitiated into the idea of how universal Christianity is, it makes it seem like salvation is kind of a game of luck where if you're born in rural China and you can't get the teaching, you're kind of just out of luck.