The Charlie Kirk Show - The War on Ivermectin with Dr. Pierre Kory and Gregg Jarrett

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, we have Dr. Pierre Corey to talk about the war on ivermectin and Greg Jarrett.

00:00:05.000 Greg Jarrett has a new book out about the Scopes Monkey Trial.

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00:01:56.000 Dr. Pierre Corey, a man I have great respect for, joins us now.

00:01:59.000 Dr. Corey, welcome to the program.

00:02:01.000 Your new book, The War on Ivermectin, the Medicine That Saved Millions and Could Have Ended the Pandemic.

00:02:06.000 Dr. Corey, I want to talk about your book and then also broaden some of the implications on it.

00:02:10.000 So let's talk right there, though.

00:02:11.000 Tell us about your book and welcome to the show, Dr. Corey.

00:02:13.000 Yeah, thanks, Charlie.

00:02:14.000 Good to see you again.

00:02:15.000 Yeah, the book is done and it's coming out.

00:02:18.000 I'm pretty excited about it.

00:02:21.000 You know, Charlie, that book was really the result of a commitment I made early on in what I have to call this COVID war.

00:02:30.000 You know, once I became one of the clinical experts on the use of ivermectin worldwide and started to advocate for it and became quite well known for it, you know, I discovered that we, you know, myself, my colleagues, and our nonprofit, you know, flcc.net, that we had launched ourselves into a decades-long war on generic off-patent repurposed drugs.

00:02:52.000 And, you know, that book is a little bit of my biography, not only my career, but also my COVID biography, because I've been involved in a lot of things in COVID.

00:03:01.000 But it really is almost like a case study of how industry, and in particular the pharmaceutical industry, how they counter science that's inconvenient to their interests.

00:03:11.000 And there's never been a more inconvenient science than all of the data supporting ivermectin and the use of COVID.

00:03:18.000 And they pulled every single trick in the book.

00:03:22.000 And Charlie, you know, a year and a half, two years ago, I made him a commitment that I was going to document everything.

00:03:26.000 I was going to document everything they were doing because, you know, at the core of what I do in my career is I've been an educator, a physician, an educator, and I want to teach people how they do what they do, how they get you to believe that a medicine that could save your life is, you know, an uncredible horse dewormer.

00:03:44.000 And I mean, you know the story, Charlie.

00:03:46.000 You've watched it.

00:03:47.000 You've had me on before.

00:03:48.000 And, you know, I think I did a really good, readable job of documenting all of those tactics that they pulled and what they accomplished and how many millions have died as a result of that case.

00:04:00.000 So, yeah, let's, I mean, you come from a very accomplished background, very well respected, and you never planned to get into this space.

00:04:08.000 But when you see something that can help people, you know, you want to go in that way.

00:04:12.000 So tell us the short story.

00:04:13.000 How did you get into this?

00:04:14.000 And all of a sudden, you saw all the lockdowns and you saw people's lives suffering over the threat of this virus.

00:04:20.000 And here you are, you say, hey, there's this drug that is showing incredible efficacy.

00:04:24.000 Tell us about that.

00:04:26.000 Yeah.

00:04:26.000 So, you know, Charlie, my background is I'm a pulmonary and critical care physician, right?

00:04:30.000 So I'm an expert at lung diseases and really critical illness.

00:04:34.000 You know, in the ICU, I take care of patients that are gravely ill and I teach that specialty.

00:04:39.000 And, you know, when this pandemic hit, you know, it was kind of strange.

00:04:42.000 I remember thinking to myself, you know, here is a pulmonary and critical care disease, a novel one that's impacting the world.

00:04:50.000 And then I looked at myself.

00:04:51.000 I mean, I was a guy at the peak of my career.

00:04:53.000 I was 50 years old.

00:04:54.000 I was very well known in my specialty.

00:04:56.000 And myself and a few colleagues got together and we said, let's figure out how to treat this thing.

00:05:00.000 And we started diving deep, looking into mechanisms, data, and we started building protocols.

00:05:05.000 And really, it was when we touched on ivermectin, once we identified that signal, and, you know, and I gave that testimony in the Senate that kind of went viral and it kind of put the name, you know, the word ivermectin in everyone's vocabulary.

00:05:18.000 Things changed.

00:05:19.000 They changed quickly.

00:05:20.000 But, you know, in the beginning, Charlie, we just wanted to figure out how to treat this disease, not only for everyone, but for myself as well.

00:05:26.000 I was on the front lines.

00:05:28.000 I was as scared as anyone else in the beginning when you saw the ICUs filling and everyone dying.

00:05:32.000 And so, you know, we put a lot of work throughout the pandemic in trying to really give good guidance and sound medical evidence without any conflicts of interest.

00:05:42.000 That's super important, right?

00:05:43.000 We don't make money off of this.

00:05:44.000 I mean, we really do it as a public service.

00:05:47.000 And we've, you know, I think we've been celebrated, but boy, have we been attacked from every direction?

00:05:53.000 So let's, I mean, the argument you make in the book is the medicine that saved millions and could have ended the pandemic.

00:06:00.000 And so I don't want to get too deep into this, but I mean, I'm comfortable in these waters.

00:06:03.000 If you are, I know that you flirt on the edges of this.

00:06:06.000 Why then, doctor?

00:06:07.000 Why?

00:06:07.000 I mean, is it as simple as that there were hundreds of billions of dollars to be made and this thing was a shortcut?

00:06:14.000 Is it as simple to say that there was World Economic Forum tyrannical stuff?

00:06:17.000 Is that an oversimplification, doctor?

00:06:20.000 It's absolutely not.

00:06:22.000 Well, here's where I think the oversimplification is.

00:06:25.000 It's what I've done the whole time is when I lay this at the feet of the pharmaceutical industry, that might be oversimplifying it in that I don't know that it's just the pharmaceutical industry that drove this because there were more than just financial goals here in this pandemic.

00:06:39.000 And I will tell you, once we go outside of that topic of the pharmaceutical industry, that's where kind of my lane ends.

00:06:46.000 I mean, all of that I find terrifying and really disturbing.

00:06:52.000 And I know a lot about it.

00:06:53.000 But really what I spent a lot of time researching is really the pharmaceutical industry and how they do this.

00:07:00.000 And I think they were the tip of the spear.

00:07:01.000 I don't know who's holding the spear, who's driving that spear, but we know that the pharmaceutical companies were working for the Department of Defense, right?

00:07:08.000 All those contracts were from the military.

00:07:09.000 So, I mean, it goes deeper than pharmaceutical.

00:07:12.000 But certainly, Charlie, what you can say is their behaviors towards ivermectin are identical to their behaviors around any other generic off-patent drug that they've done over the last decades.

00:07:24.000 I mean, ivermectin is just the latest.

00:07:26.000 Well, give another example.

00:07:27.000 Give another example.

00:07:28.000 Here's another one: hydroxychloroquine, right?

00:07:31.000 So that's, that's another, that's a similar example.

00:07:32.000 The war on hydroxychloroquine was fought in 2020.

00:07:35.000 Ivermectin was 2021 and two.

00:07:38.000 But if you go further, I mean, look at Viox. 0.89

00:07:41.000 I mean, Vioxx, now that's a separate one.

00:07:43.000 That's a drug that they wanted to make money off of that had terrible side effects that was killing people by the tens of thousands.

00:07:51.000 During the reign of Viox, I mean, there was one quote that said, it would be like two jumbo jetliners crashing every week.

00:07:59.000 That's how many people died in this country when the pharmaceutical company knew that it was causing heart attacks and strokes and killing people.

00:08:07.000 And they just buried that evidence.

00:08:10.000 And they manipulate doctors, they control the media, they can write narratives.

00:08:14.000 I mean, it's that they can get you to believe whatever they want you to believe.

00:08:18.000 They want you to take a drug that's not good for you or that has really terrible evidence to support it.

00:08:23.000 They can market that drug.

00:08:25.000 And then they, yes, conversely, they can attack drugs that interfere with it.

00:08:30.000 I know it was frustrating.

00:08:31.000 You came on our show frequently.

00:08:32.000 It was frustrating for me to see that something that was just so simple that was working.

00:08:37.000 And now, doctor, I get fired up when I'm watching a basketball game or whatever, and I see these commercials for, I think it's called Pax Lovid or whatever the Pfizer thing is, where it's like, wait a second, now we could talk about treatments.

00:08:50.000 Now, after you did max vaccination and six or seven rounds of boosters and you make all your money, now we can have a conversation about early treatments.

00:08:59.000 And I mean, President Trump's instincts were right during this, and he just got pummeled by the bureaucracy and the medical.

00:09:05.000 He did say, just kind of off the cuff, why aren't we talking about treatments?

00:09:09.000 And he was attacked, attacked, attacked.

00:09:11.000 So, doctor, I mean, ivermectin is part of a menu of options that we could have explored: ozone therapy, intravenous, vitamin D levels.

00:09:17.000 Let's talk about that one.

00:09:18.000 I mean, I don't think it's a magic, you know, it would have been a magic bullet, but it would have helped if we would have had a conversation and got everyone vitamin D level over 50, over 60, over 70.

00:09:29.000 Would that have benefited health outcomes when it came to fighting COVID?

00:09:34.000 100%.

00:09:35.000 We have data to support that, that conclusion is that had we done a national vitamin D repletion campaign, deaths would have disappeared.

00:09:44.000 And I've said that since the beginning: that if I was in charge, I mean, that's the first thing I would have done.

00:09:49.000 It would have been billboards and PSAs.

00:09:52.000 What's your vitamin D level?

00:09:52.000 Get it up.

00:09:53.000 You know, take vitamin Take D3.

00:09:55.000 And that's, I mean, that's easy, but no one makes money off of that, doctor, because it's abundant.

00:09:59.000 And it's also, I mean, literally, there's almost an unlimited supply in parts of the country coming from the sky.

00:10:04.000 I'm going to get more cynical, Charlie.

00:10:06.000 It's not only that vitamin D doesn't make them money, is that vitamin D crushes their ability to make money.

00:10:14.000 I mean, here's an interesting point I want to make to you, Charlie, is that a central, probably the central event that really led to that book happened in March of 2021.

00:10:24.000 It was three months after my testimony.

00:10:26.000 I couldn't figure out why the world was going sideways.

00:10:29.000 And ivermectin was getting attacked.

00:10:31.000 There was so much evidence to support it.

00:10:33.000 It was constantly being dismissed and derided in the media.

00:10:36.000 And then one day I got an email and it was from this man named, he was a professor, William B. Grant.

00:10:42.000 He's one of the most published researchers on vitamin D science in the world.

00:10:46.000 And he wrote me a two-line email and he said, Dear Dr. Corey, what they're doing to ivermectin, they've been doing to vitamin D for decades.

00:10:54.000 And then he included a link to an article called the Disinformation Playbook, which really recounts how industries practice the arts of disinformation, which is how to counter science.

00:11:04.000 And the tobacco industry invented it.

00:11:07.000 The pharmaceutical industry is the most expert at it.

00:11:09.000 They do it all the time.

00:11:10.000 They manipulate media, journals, agencies, all the societies to get what they want.

00:11:19.000 And they've been doing that to vitamin D for decades.

00:11:21.000 I will tell you, the published literature around vitamin D is so polluted with fraudulent trials, essentially conducted by the pharmaceutical industry to get you to believe that vitamin D is not important in cancer, you know, in diabetes, in autoimmunity.

00:11:35.000 I mean, vitamin D is critical to prevent a lot of diseases.

00:11:39.000 Yeah, I mean, and some people are even saying it's almost acts like a hormone almost, that it's almost that, yeah, and that shouldn't be debated, right?

00:11:47.000 I have to say, again, we're on YouTube, so I have to kind of cushion it, but it can potentially have positive protections about over 100 different health challenges, right?

00:11:58.000 Including from mood to depression to the ability to fight off flus and colds, the war on ivermectin by Dr. Pierre Corey.

00:12:06.000 Boy, the medicine that saved millions and could have ended the pandemic.

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00:13:16.000 So, Dr. Corey, I am not optimistic right now that this just won't happen again.

00:13:23.000 It seems as if when the powers to be have a certain agenda, and I believe there was a political agenda to a lot of the emergency use authorizations, but there was certainly a profit-driven one as well, and then just a power one, that they will crush alternatives.

00:13:37.000 I think that ivermectin was the metaphorical gateway drug of liberty, that if we could have mass distributed it, then all these other measures that they were doing, from lockdowns to kids at school to the screen time to the suicide epidemic, is it as simple as that?

00:13:53.000 Could it have prevented a cascade from tyrannical interventions?

00:13:56.000 There's not even a question.

00:13:58.000 I mean, it would be a different disease if you had an effective, very safe, widely available, low-cost treatment.

00:14:05.000 Again, its efficacy was so large.

00:14:08.000 I mean, especially in the first wave, that first year, I mean, it was incredible.

00:14:12.000 Patients would take ivermectin within 12 to 24 hours repeatedly.

00:14:16.000 I would hear back, you know, my chest is loosening.

00:14:19.000 I feel better.

00:14:19.000 My fever broke.

00:14:20.000 I have more energy.

00:14:21.000 I mean, people were bouncing back from this disease in such a robust way.

00:14:27.000 I mean, that the fear would have been gone.

00:14:29.000 And actually, most importantly, Charlie, is Ivermectin would have skyrocketed vaccine hesitancy.

00:14:35.000 And that's why it was almost a double enemy.

00:14:37.000 It didn't just threaten profits.

00:14:39.000 It threatened the vaccine campaign.

00:14:41.000 I mean, you cannot have an effective medicine out there.

00:14:43.000 And if everybody was to be made aware that there was an effective, low-cost option available, how many would have lined up for those shots?

00:14:52.000 And they knew that.

00:14:53.000 They knew that Ivermectin was threatening that.

00:14:56.000 I mean, and the question is, what did they want to accomplish?

00:14:59.000 And that is an open-ended question.

00:15:02.000 So, doctor, you wrote this book.

00:15:03.000 You've been through the firing line.

00:15:05.000 You've been smeared.

00:15:06.000 You've been slandered.

00:15:08.000 What are just some of the lessons that you hope?

00:15:10.000 If you could teach the average ordinary American, listen to this, they're in their car, they're listening to podcasts, they're working out, they're not into the weeds of the medical journals, but they knew they were lied to.

00:15:19.000 You've been in the trenches, you've saved lives.

00:15:23.000 You're on a moral crusade.

00:15:25.000 What is the lesson?

00:15:26.000 What is the top three?

00:15:27.000 Boom, boom, boom.

00:15:27.000 What are the lessons from this?

00:15:30.000 So for me, I think the most pressing issue of our time is that our information dissemination technologies have been captured.

00:15:39.000 I mean, my lesson is that we are living in a time of unprecedented global propaganda and censorship.

00:15:46.000 Yes.

00:15:46.000 Being made to believe lies.

00:15:48.000 And we are taking actions.

00:15:50.000 When I say we, it's the majority of the society is taking actions, making them complicit sometimes in their own deaths.

00:15:57.000 I mean, they're literally being guided by really, really dangerous information.

00:16:02.000 And it's widely believed.

00:16:04.000 And we have to do something about the propaganda and censorship.

00:16:07.000 And the second lesson that I've learned is that our entire medical system, it's not a health system, it's a medical system, is literally under the control of the pharmaceutical industries, from the agencies to the highest impact journals to the studies they do, the pharma-conflicted researchers, what gets published, what gets taught, and what gets approved.

00:16:29.000 The regulatory approval process has been long ago captured.

00:16:32.000 And so what I would want everyone to do is be very, very skeptical of those terms scientific consensus.

00:16:40.000 Anything that's coming out of those agencies or their leaders, they are working directly in the service of the pharmaceutical industry.

00:16:45.000 And so you have to have alternative sources for information.

00:16:49.000 I think you need to look at a totality of the research and you need to be very, very skeptical of what the official lines are.

00:16:55.000 Because I will tell you, they're not in your interest.

00:16:57.000 They're in someone, there's some other goal.

00:17:00.000 We're out of time.

00:17:01.000 Dr. Croy, I want to have you back on where we could do a deeper dive into this because you're such an honest person.

00:17:06.000 And I know this for many reasons, but the simplest way I could describe it is you have no agenda going into this.

00:17:11.000 You are, and we're a doctor. 0.98

00:17:13.000 You wanted to save people's lives, and you were buttressed up against a leviathan, a monolith, an avalanche of lies and deceit and garbage.

00:17:22.000 And, you know, there was a debate earlier on Steve Bannon's program of what is the greatest virtue, truth, or courage.

00:17:26.000 I think courage is.

00:17:27.000 I think Aristotle had it right because without courage, you can't speak the truth.

00:17:30.000 Dr. Piercour, you are a courageous man.

00:17:32.000 Thank you so much.

00:17:33.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:17:36.000 Are you feeling burned out and a little tired?

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00:18:07.000 And so, what does NAD stand for?

00:18:09.000 Well, try to take a note here.

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00:20:29.000 Okay, the book that we are going to be talking about with Greg Jarrett is The Trial of the Century by Greg Jarrett.

00:20:36.000 It is a gripping and comprehensive history of the iconic attorney Clarence Darrow and the famous Scopes monkey trial.

00:20:43.000 And Greg Jarrett does a great job.

00:20:45.000 I do want to set up, though, the FBI story because I want to talk to him about that.

00:20:49.000 So I want to definitely talk about his book, but also in harmony, talk about the FBI.

00:20:55.000 So let's play Cut 23, please.

00:20:57.000 Former FBI Director James Comey on the Durham Report, play cut 23.

00:21:02.000 Do you acknowledge perhaps that some mistakes were made along the way?

00:21:06.000 Oh, definitely.

00:21:07.000 And they were found four years ago by the Inspector General.

00:21:10.000 So there's nothing new in this new document.

00:21:12.000 What were some of those mistakes from your point of view?

00:21:14.000 Oh, that the FBI didn't communicate clearly the status of certain sources.

00:21:18.000 They didn't double-check certain information before putting it in a court application for a foreign intelligence wiretap and a bunch of others.

00:21:26.000 But in complex investigations, there's always going to be mistakes.

00:21:29.000 It doesn't mean the FBI is incompetent, honest, and independent.

00:21:34.000 We're going to talk about that with Greg Jarrett.

00:21:35.000 Greg, welcome to the program.

00:21:38.000 Hey, Charlie, great to see you.

00:21:39.000 Thank you.

00:21:40.000 So we'll get to the FBI in a second.

00:21:41.000 That'll be a tease.

00:21:42.000 Let's talk about your book, Trial of the Century.

00:21:44.000 Tell us about it.

00:21:45.000 You know, the Trial of the Century began for me about 55 years ago.

00:21:51.000 I was just a young teenager, and I plucked a book off my father's shelf.

00:21:57.000 It was a biography about the man you see there on the left, the great Clarence Darrell, the finest trial lawyer who ever lived.

00:22:07.000 I admired him for his passion about the law, his unyielding commitment to civil liberties and civil rights.

00:22:17.000 And, you know, at the end of the book, there was a small chapter on the most famous trial in America, the trial that changed the course of American history, the so-called Scopes monkey trial.

00:22:31.000 The media dubbed it.

00:22:32.000 It was a public misconception that man evolved from monkeys and other primates.

00:22:40.000 And, you know, what had happened is that after World War I, America turned inward and a great fundamentalist movement arose, led by William Jennings Bryan, the three-time Democrat presidential nominee who had become the fundamentalist leader.

00:22:58.000 He managed to convince states to pass laws banning books on evolution.

00:23:04.000 And in Tennessee, they took it a step further, Charlie, and they made it a crime for an educator in public schools to teach the theory of evolution, even though there was a chapter on it in state-approved textbooks.

00:23:20.000 And sure enough, within days, 25-year-old biology substitute teacher by the name of John Scopes was arrested, criminally charged, and taken off to jail because he had dared to teach from the textbook about evolution.

00:23:38.000 Darrow is reading about this in his office in Chicago.

00:23:43.000 He's the most famous lawyer in America at the time, a poetic orator, a popular public figure, just as Bryant was.

00:23:52.000 And he's incensed at what Brian has done.

00:23:54.000 Brian is actually so gratified with it, he's volunteered to personally prosecute John Scopes and does so.

00:24:05.000 Darrow volunteers to defend Scopes for free.

00:24:09.000 And that set up this titanic clash between two epic figures in America.

00:24:16.000 And journalists the world over converged on this tiny town of Dayton, Tennessee, where the trial took place.

00:24:23.000 It was the first trial to be broadcast live on radio to a riveted nationwide audience.

00:24:30.000 People stopped what they were doing.

00:24:31.000 They didn't go to work.

00:24:32.000 They wanted to listen to the trial as they tuned in to the radio, courtesy of WGN in Chicago.

00:24:39.000 They had newsreel cameras set up in the back of the courtroom and a plane waiting at the end of the day to fly the film to Chicago for immediate distribution in movie theaters everywhere to watch what was happening in this epic clash.

00:24:56.000 And, you know, it changed the course of American history because Darrow, even though he lost the trial with a biased jury and a biased judge, he dramatically shifted public opinion.

00:25:11.000 And that spelled the beginning of the end for banning books in classrooms and criminalizing the teaching of a scientific theory.

00:25:22.000 I shudder to think where America might be today, were it not for the courage of Clarence Darrow and his young schoolteacher client, John Scopes.

00:25:32.000 What do you think are some of the lessons that we can apply today from all the research you did for your book?

00:25:37.000 And the book, which I encourage you to look at, is The Trial of the Century.

00:25:42.000 It's just as relevant, if not more, today than it was nearly 100 years ago, because we're seeing the same sort of infringement on free speech rights and intellectual empowerment and academic autonomy now.

00:26:00.000 We're seeing the partisan censorship of political discourse, the polarizing disinformation campaigns, the classroom indoctrination of students,

00:26:15.000 and this punitive culture cancel culture under the guise of social justice, whereby, you know, conformity of thought supplants robust debate in America.

00:26:31.000 And so I think we're seeing once again, 100 years later, you know, America on the precipice of depriving us of our fundamental rights in the Bill of Rights, free speech, freedom of expression, freedom of thought.

00:26:51.000 You know, they fought for the indispensable proposition, Charlie, that no one should be told how to think.

00:26:59.000 And Americans today are being told how to think.

00:27:03.000 And if you don't conform, you know, hell to pay.

00:27:10.000 So the book is The Trial of the Century.

00:27:12.000 And so as you were doing the research, what is, especially the past couple years, what were one of the one or two things that really stood out to you that most Americans should know about this trial that typically is not always talked about?

00:27:27.000 Well, you know, as I say, I first learned about it when I was just a teenager.

00:27:33.000 Americans, what struck me as I started mulling over the idea of a book, talking to people about it, talking to publishers about it, nobody had ever heard of it.

00:27:45.000 How can that be, I thought, which is the reason I decided to write the book.

00:27:49.000 I traveled to the tiny town of Dayton, Tennessee, a couple of years ago, and I gained access to the courthouse, which was closed.

00:27:58.000 I saw the courtroom, which still stands unchanged on the second floor.

00:28:04.000 And, you know, I went down into the basement, the dusty archives, and was able to obtain the original trial transcript of the trial.

00:28:18.000 Also in the book, I obtained roughly 40 photographs from the trial itself.

00:28:24.000 So that, you know, you can see what unfolded there.

00:28:28.000 You can see the epic confrontation between Darrow and William Jennings Bryan.

00:28:35.000 Darrow calling Brian to the witness stand as an expert on the Bible.

00:28:41.000 Brian believed that everything in the Bible should be taken literally.

00:28:46.000 And of course, we know the Bible, which is perhaps the greatest book ever written, is filled with parables and allegories.

00:28:54.000 They're spiritual.

00:28:56.000 They teach us important moral lessons.

00:28:59.000 And with Darrow sitting next to Brian on the witness stand, it was held outdoors because, as I say, the judge feared that the courtroom would collapse and there was stifling heat.

00:29:13.000 People were fainting.

00:29:14.000 He moves it outdoors to a platform that was left over from 4th of July festivities.

00:29:21.000 And you can see in the photographs thousands of people who were standing there watching and listening on loudspeakers as Darrow quite, you know, purposefully questions Brian about certain aspects of the Bible, you know, Jonah and the whale, Joshua making the sun stand still, the Garden of Eden, and so forth.

00:29:47.000 These are stories that are allegorical.

00:29:49.000 Theologians, 98% of them all agree.

00:29:52.000 Again, it teaches us important moral lessons, but not to be taken literally.

00:29:56.000 Greg, a lot I want to talk to you about, but we don't have time.

00:29:59.000 I want to get into the FBI because there's a lot happening there, Greg.

00:30:02.000 I played that clip of James Comey.

00:30:05.000 He said, well, some mistakes are made.

00:30:07.000 Greg, is anyone ever going to be held accountable for what they did weaponizing the Federal Bureau of Investigation?

00:30:14.000 No, I don't think so.

00:30:14.000 The sad coda of the Durham report is people got away with it.

00:30:19.000 They got away with lawlessness, depriving people of their constitutional rights, lying to the FISA court, lying to Congress, lying to the American, lying to the President of the United States, Donald Trump.

00:30:36.000 They knew that the accusation that he had colluded with Russia was invented personally by Hillary Clinton and bankrolled by the Democratic National Committee and Hillary's campaign.

00:30:49.000 They debunked it as bogus almost from the beginning.

00:30:54.000 But they used it Charlie as a pretext, first to try to stop Trump from getting elected.

00:31:00.000 And after they failed, they doubled down and they decided that they were going to use it to destroy him, to drive him from office.

00:31:10.000 Now, you know, this is the FBI engaging in not just lies that are prosecutable, but, you know, in an abuse of power in which they have squandered America's trust.

00:31:26.000 Trust is earned, and the FBI has lost that trust.

00:31:29.000 Look at any of the polling data.

00:31:31.000 Make no mistake, it was James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Kevin Kleinsmith, Jim Baker, and the whole gang at the FBI.

00:31:40.000 Yes, they're all gone.

00:31:41.000 Most of them were fired.

00:31:44.000 They should have, in my judgment, been prosecuted under the law for a variety of crimes, including perjury as well as, you know, conspiracy to deprive people of their constitutional rights, which is a felony statute under the criminal code.

00:32:03.000 But they got away with it.

00:32:06.000 And Durham tried to prosecute a couple of people in Washington area courts.

00:32:11.000 He couldn't get a fair trial.

00:32:13.000 He lost those cases.

00:32:14.000 The one triumph he had was against Kevin Kleinsmith, who finally copped a plea.

00:32:20.000 He doctored evidence in order to gain the warrant before the FISA court.

00:32:27.000 And Comey signed off on it, knowing that it was phony and false.

00:32:31.000 He vouched for the credibility of Christopher Steele, who composed the dossier, even though the FBI had fired him for lying repeatedly.

00:32:41.000 And he withheld that information from the judges.

00:32:44.000 So, you know, talk about perjury.

00:32:47.000 He should have been criminally charged, but he got away with it.

00:32:50.000 He also got away with stealing FBI documents when he was fired and leaking them to the media to trigger the appointment of a special counsel, which just happened to be his longtime friend and colleague, Bob Mueller.

00:33:04.000 But even Mueller's team of partisans could find no evidence of a collusion conspiracy, and the Durham Report puts an exclamation point on that.

00:33:14.000 So in closing, Greg, is there anything that the House can do from an oversight perspective?

00:33:19.000 Because there's mass cynicism in our audience about our justice system as it is currently configured.

00:33:26.000 Yes.

00:33:27.000 The Judiciary Committee has a subcommittee on the FBI weaponization of their powers.

00:33:36.000 And they continued to dig up incriminating information.

00:33:43.000 The Oversight Committee, in the meantime, is looking into how the FBI as well as the intelligence community covered up the Biden family crime syndicate, as I call it.

00:33:58.000 How else do you explain an investigation that has gone on now for almost six years without a single charge being filed, despite a plethora of incriminating information, which also shows President Joe Biden's complicity when he was Vice President of the United States?

00:34:18.000 It appears as though he was involved in his son and his family's influence peddling schemes to sell out America to its adversaries.

00:34:29.000 That is, in addition to being criminal, it is an impeachable offense.

00:34:36.000 Treason and bribery are impeachable offenses.

00:34:39.000 So, you know, I think it's important what the House is doing with those two committees.

00:34:45.000 They have uncovered more evidence of criminality in the last four months since they started than we learned from the Department of Justice and the FBI, which are crooked departments and agencies.

00:35:00.000 Got to run.

00:35:01.000 Greg Jarrett, thank you so much for your time.

00:35:03.000 And everyone, check out his book, The Trial of the Century.

00:35:06.000 Very good.

00:35:06.000 Thank you so much.

00:35:09.000 Charlie, thank you.

00:35:11.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:13.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:18.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 31, 2023

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