The Charlie Kirk Show - The War on Whiteness and The West with Douglas Murray

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00:01:44.000 There's so much news happening.

00:01:46.000 However, this hour, we're going to do it together, go through some of the news and also talk about his amazing new book of one of the most gifted and brilliant intellectuals in the world and definitely in the West, Douglas Murray.

00:02:00.000 He has a new book that is out called The War on the West.

00:02:05.000 And you're going to be blown away by Douglas this entire hour as he perfectly identifies the issues with what is happening in Western culture, what we can do to fix it.

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00:02:26.000 With us right now is Douglas Murray.

00:02:27.000 Douglas, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:30.000 Hey, it's great to be with you, Charlie, and a real pleasure.

00:02:33.000 And by the way, for anyone listening but not seeing, I just cannot help admiring the t-shirt you're wearing.

00:02:40.000 1776.

00:02:42.000 Thank God.

00:02:43.000 Thank God.

00:02:44.000 In the last few days, I have been talking about 1619 so much, I think I'm going to go mad myself.

00:02:44.000 I can't tell you.

00:02:51.000 So thank you for having a reminder to everyone of the founding days of America and that it is not 1619.

00:03:01.000 I have been waiting my whole life for someone with a perfect British accent to compliment the fact that I would wear a 1776 shirt.

00:03:10.000 Look, it shows the historical disagreements can be reconciled.

00:03:16.000 That's right.

00:03:16.000 And that Western values are what keep us together.

00:03:20.000 Douglas, let's just start with your book, The War on the West.

00:03:23.000 Is there a war on the West?

00:03:24.000 And define what the West is for some of our listeners.

00:03:27.000 Yeah.

00:03:29.000 The West, as I said, the most important thing is it's the Anglosphere countries, the European countries as well.

00:03:35.000 But principies, the countries that have liberal democracy, the proper sense of the term, which have laws, rights.

00:03:46.000 It's also, of course, a culture.

00:03:48.000 It's a specific culture.

00:03:49.000 China has its own culture.

00:03:51.000 African countries have their culture, but the West has its culture.

00:03:54.000 It's not just a geographic entity, not just a political entity.

00:03:58.000 It's a cultural entity.

00:04:00.000 And what I described in the war on the West is a specific war that is being waged on the West by the West.

00:04:08.000 You know, there are other types of anti-Westernism.

00:04:10.000 There's Chinese anti-Westernism.

00:04:12.000 There's Arab anti-Westernism.

00:04:14.000 There's all sorts of anti-Westernism.

00:04:16.000 The one that is most devastating in our time is Western anti-Westernism, the desire, the attempt to wage war on the peoples and the ideas and the culture and the history of the West by people in the West.

00:04:30.000 And, you know, as you know, in the book, Charlie, I go through this methodically, but start with what I regard as being perhaps the biggest moral outrage of the moment, which is what I describe as the war on white people. 0.70

00:04:44.000 We in the West are multicultural countries.

00:04:47.000 We have all sorts of people from all places in the world, and it's certainly one of the things that makes us distinctive.

00:04:54.000 But we recognize racism in every single case except one.

00:04:59.000 And the one we don't recognize it in, won't recognize it in at the moment is the racism against white people, which is now absolutely endemic and particularly in America.

00:05:09.000 You see, you can't have a war on the West unless you wage war on the majority. 0.97

00:05:13.000 And the majority of people in America, as in Britain, are white. 0.94

00:05:16.000 And so, of course, if you're going to war on the West, you've got to war on white people. 0.98

00:05:21.000 You've got to say the most appalling racist things about white people. 0.99

00:05:25.000 You've got to pathologize white people. 0.99

00:05:28.000 Then you've got to strip them of their history. 0.94

00:05:30.000 You've got to rewrite their history. 0.52

00:05:32.000 You've got to say that their history is no good or has always been rotten and that they've got no good heroes, no decent people from their past, nothing to be proud of.

00:05:41.000 Then you've got a war on their religion.

00:05:43.000 You've got a war on the Judeo-Christian principles of the West and also the secular and enlightenment principles in the West.

00:05:50.000 And as I showed, both of those are happening.

00:05:52.000 And then you war on everything in the culture.

00:05:54.000 You look at everyone from the past, our philosophers, our musicians, our artists, our writers, and you've got to say, no, these people aren't people to be proud of or to learn from.

00:06:03.000 No, on the contrary, they're guilty of living in the Western past.

00:06:07.000 And therefore, they must be racist.

00:06:09.000 They must be connected to slavery. 0.52

00:06:11.000 They must be connected to colonialism and much more.

00:06:15.000 So this is now, and it has been growing for a generation, but in the last two years, we've lived it sped up in real time.

00:06:21.000 This is a war on everything in our culture.

00:06:24.000 And here's the problem: it is an American invention and an American export. 0.54

00:06:31.000 Traditionally, and I say this coming from the old continent myself, traditionally, America has been a net importer of bad ideas.

00:06:40.000 You know, it imported bad Marxist ideas from Europe. 0.72

00:06:45.000 It imported bad intellectual ideas from France. 1.00

00:06:49.000 Okay, that happened.

00:06:51.000 Today, America is a net exporter of bad ideas.

00:06:56.000 It is America that is exporting the idea of hating the West to the rest of the West and the rest of the world.

00:07:03.000 It's America that came up with CRT that is even in Britain now.

00:07:09.000 It is America that came up with BLM and all of this stuff that is now everywhere.

00:07:13.000 It's America that decided that everything in the world has to be looked at in this hostile light and everyone else is following course.

00:07:21.000 So I want to turn this around.

00:07:24.000 I think we can turn it around.

00:07:26.000 I think America should go back to being a net exporter of good ideas.

00:07:30.000 I think it's achievable, but it's going to need work from all of us.

00:07:34.000 There's so much there, and that's so smart and profound.

00:07:38.000 And I want to kind of kind of point on one thing here.

00:07:41.000 Let's talk about this war on white people. 0.70

00:07:43.000 That's a thought crime, Douglas.

00:07:44.000 You're not allowed to say it.

00:07:45.000 Oh, yeah.

00:07:47.000 You're obviously welcome to say it here.

00:07:48.000 We agree.

00:07:49.000 We believe that all forms of racism are evil and awful.

00:07:52.000 But the one type of racism you're not allowed to talk about, of course, is a war on people that look like you and I. Why is that?

00:08:00.000 Does it have something to do with how they view racism only to be a power struggle?

00:08:04.000 If you have more numbers, therefore you can't be racist.

00:08:08.000 And Douglas, you said something, and I've repeated it many times.

00:08:12.000 And I give you credit about half the time, just so you're just so we're clear.

00:08:16.000 When you were on this conversation with Dennis Prager and you just said, we have a supply and demand problem with racism in the West, I said, that is one of the smartest things I've ever heard anybody say.

00:08:26.000 Navigate us through that.

00:08:28.000 So, as I say, there's a supply and demand problem.

00:08:31.000 There's a demand for racists and a thankfully small supply in countries like America.

00:08:36.000 Very few people are actually white supremacists, as Dennis Prager said.

00:08:40.000 He said, I've never met a white supremacist ever come across one.

00:08:42.000 I mean, there are some out there, but I mean, it's not like American life is riddled with them.

00:08:48.000 On the contrary, most people in America are very decent, very open-minded.

00:08:52.000 All the stats show it.

00:08:53.000 And it's a profound smear on this country and its people to pretend that everyone is racist.

00:08:59.000 But here's the thing: as you say, and it's a thought crime in many places, I don't care.

00:09:03.000 I'm committing it anyway. 0.97

00:09:05.000 There is a war against white people. 0.98

00:09:07.000 The only permissible racism of our time is racism against white people. 0.92

00:09:11.000 And if anyone doubts that, if anyone doubts that, try any of the following phrases, these pathologizing phrases used about white people.

00:09:18.000 We've had white fragility. 0.66

00:09:20.000 Imagine if we had a New York Times best-selling book called Black Fragility. 0.55

00:09:25.000 We've had white tears. 0.59

00:09:27.000 Imagine if you had black tears. 0.94

00:09:29.000 Imagine if instead of laughing at white women's tears, we talked about black women's tears. 0.99

00:09:34.000 Imagine if instead of white rage, people said, Oh, I think there's a thing called black rage.

00:09:40.000 And imagine if the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley, testified in Congress and said, I want to look into black rage.

00:09:47.000 Okay.

00:09:47.000 And now, let me just give you one other quick example.

00:09:50.000 I'll be quick with it.

00:09:52.000 This is what was said last year at Yale University.

00:09:54.000 Yale is not a dump.

00:09:56.000 It used to one time be one of the great universities of America.

00:09:59.000 Here's what somebody said at Yale last year in a talk, a nasty, nasty piece of work called Aruna Kilinani. 1.00

00:10:06.000 She gave a talk about whiteness in which she said that white people have lost their minds, that they are predators with holes in their brains. 0.99

00:10:15.000 There are no good apples, no good apples. 0.99

00:10:18.000 And then she said that she fantasizes about unloading a revolver into the head of any white person that gets in my way, burying their bodies, wiping my bloody hands as I walk away guiltless with a bounce in my step, like I did the world in effing favor. 0.99

00:10:33.000 Tell me, Charlie, whether Yale University would permit somebody to say that they have fantasies of shooting black people in the head. 0.99

00:10:41.000 Of course they wouldn't. 0.98

00:10:42.000 Of course they wouldn't, and nor should they.

00:10:44.000 And you and I and everyone else would call them out. 0.80

00:10:46.000 The one group you can say that about are white people. 0.86

00:10:49.000 So, Douglas, you're talking about a war on white people, which I agree with. 1.00

00:10:54.000 And later in the conversation, I want to talk about how that could have an improper response of white identitarianism, which you and I do not support, but that is, they're almost trying to provoke that.

00:11:06.000 They're almost trying to engineer it, a re-tribalization of the West. 0.56

00:11:12.000 But instead, I want to focus these couple minutes together on what is driving this, which is a filler term that I do not like, which we use as woke.

00:11:22.000 But it's just kind of a catch-all term.

00:11:27.000 Why have the woke been so successful in making it controversial for me to wear a 1776 shirt or to say that Thomas Jefferson had some brilliant ideas or to say that the Western canon is the greatest breakthrough of literature that mankind has ever toiled in?

00:11:45.000 Why have the woke been so successful in being able to do that and obviously so much more?

00:11:50.000 First of all, because they have been willing to do whatever it takes to win.

00:11:55.000 They are perfectly willing to just lie.

00:11:57.000 I mean, I take apart piece by piece in the book the lies that they just spin, the lies that people like Kendi tell about Thomas Jefferson, the lies that Nicole Hanna-Jones tells about America, the claims they make that are totally untrue and without foundation, the lies that Robin DiAngelo and the other race hucksters, both black and white, are willing to engage in. 0.98

00:12:25.000 They are willing to do anything.

00:12:27.000 And I think that a lot of people are thrown by this because, you know, I mean, like, I'm not willing to just make stuff up and lie about people in order to win.

00:12:34.000 And I think most conservatives in general aren't either because it's just incredibly dangerous terrain.

00:12:41.000 Once you fall into that pit, you can't get out again.

00:12:44.000 So there's that.

00:12:45.000 There's also the ferocity with which they've done it.

00:12:48.000 Here's a very important point that we have to bear in mind.

00:12:51.000 And it comes from this observation.

00:12:53.000 Why are the, what you rightly say in the filler term is the woke mob.

00:12:58.000 Why are they coming for the people they have been coming for?

00:13:01.000 So if you want to say that everyone in our past is, you know, racist and so on and so forth, but why would they have come for Winston Churchill?

00:13:10.000 Winston Churchill is one of the primary targets of the woke mob.

00:13:16.000 The BLM protests in 2020 in London, they targeted Churchill's statue so often, defamed it, smeared it, graffited it so often it had to be boxed up and there was talk of it perhaps being brought down.

00:13:29.000 Why would you come for Churchill?

00:13:31.000 Let me repeat the question in a different way.

00:13:33.000 Why would they come for the founding fathers?

00:13:36.000 Why would they come for Lincoln?

00:13:39.000 Why would they have torn down the statue of Lincoln in Portland and then in other parts of the country, including Boston, the authorities removed the statues of Lincoln?

00:13:47.000 I'll tell you why.

00:13:48.000 They are coming for our holy places.

00:13:52.000 This is a revolutionary movement that is facing us.

00:13:55.000 And when you want to topple a civilization, when you want to destroy a civilization like these people want to destroy the West, you go to their temples, you pull down their statues, you urinate on their holy places, and you say, you've lost.

00:14:12.000 We've subjugated you.

00:14:14.000 You don't have any gods.

00:14:15.000 You don't have any heroes.

00:14:17.000 You don't have any rights to any of this.

00:14:19.000 We have new heroes for you.

00:14:21.000 We have new gods for you.

00:14:23.000 That's what they've been doing.

00:14:26.000 And let me just very quickly tell you how I can observe this.

00:14:30.000 Look at the people they haven't done it to.

00:14:34.000 I write at one point in the book about a historical figure from the 19th century who did all of the wrong things you could do, used the N-word repeatedly, usually hyphenated with the word Jew, was horrible in his views about black people, horrible in his views about Jews, horrible in his views about slavery and colonialism.

00:14:54.000 Who's the person in question?

00:14:56.000 Karl Marx.

00:14:58.000 Karl Marx.

00:15:00.000 Now, since I've revealed this, the racism in Marx's private and public correspondence, people have said, first of all, nobody knows this.

00:15:09.000 I mean, nobody knows this, not one in a million people knows what a racist Karl Marx was.

00:15:14.000 Why wasn't he subjected to this?

00:15:16.000 If you can take out Tom, everyone from the American past, if you can take out Churchill for one phrase, if you can take out Jefferson for one thing, David Hume for one footnote, if you can do that, why not Karl Marx?

00:15:28.000 Oh, I see.

00:15:29.000 It wasn't actually about leveling the same claim about everyone in the past.

00:15:34.000 It was about tearing down all of our heroes and all the people we admire in our past and leaving only one strand standing, Marxism.

00:15:45.000 Now, here's another thing.

00:15:48.000 The people, the people who I've revealed this to and who are annoyed in recent days now say, oh, Douglas, that's unfair.

00:15:55.000 Marx was simply a man of his time.

00:15:57.000 Oh, oh, like Thomas Jefferson, Winston Churchill, and Abraham Lincoln, you mean?

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00:17:34.000 The war on the West, that is going to be number one on my reading list as I kind of take a 10-day sabbatical to kind of recharge.

00:17:42.000 I'm doing it on my wedding anniversary coming up soon.

00:17:44.000 It's going to be the top of my list.

00:17:45.000 It's by Douglas Murray.

00:17:47.000 So Douglas, we're talking about the West, and you've done a wonderful job identifying many of the problems.

00:17:53.000 I want to ask, in the recent weeks or months, have you seen a shift?

00:17:57.000 Are you seeing all of a sudden the wokeys being put on defense? 0.99

00:18:02.000 I, for one, and I could use the Twitter, I could see the Twitter example as front and center, as there's a change in how we're talking about these ideas.

00:18:11.000 It's no longer that we're even entertaining them.

00:18:14.000 It's almost like now we're dismissing them in the same category of bloodletting and flat earth theory right where they belong.

00:18:21.000 Are you seeing the same thing?

00:18:22.000 Or is this kind of just the mirage of false hope?

00:18:25.000 So I think that you're correct, Charlie.

00:18:28.000 My estimation is as follows, that the radical left, the anti-Westernists have overreached.

00:18:36.000 They've overreached.

00:18:37.000 You see, here's one suggestion.

00:18:39.000 I make this in the book.

00:18:41.000 If you were to tell any minority group in society that they are evil from birth, evil because of the color of their skin, have nothing good to be said about them, must spend their lives cringing and apologizing for things they didn't do that people who looked a bit like them in history may have done.

00:18:58.000 If you said that about any minority group, would you think that that minority group would go along with it?

00:19:04.000 I would suggest almost certainly not.

00:19:07.000 If you did it to a majority group, why would a majority go along with that?

00:19:14.000 White Westerners are the majority in America, in Britain, in the other countries of the West.

00:19:22.000 So these people who are waging war on us in our own societies, from our own societies, are doing it to the majority.

00:19:30.000 Yeah, and so, and isn't it, though, Douglas, that it's this kind of like waspy polite culture, though, that is now being used against us?

00:19:38.000 You have this line in the book that I thought was so amazing, and it says, the people of the West have been polite.

00:19:44.000 They've been encouraged to talk themselves down and talk everybody else up.

00:19:48.000 This will not necessarily last forever.

00:19:50.000 And you see this kind of embedded in white Anglo-Saxon Protestant circles where it's not, you didn't win the championship, your team won the championship, right?

00:19:58.000 It's that you're arguing this is not sustainable.

00:20:02.000 In fact, it's now turned, it's transformed into a form of suicide.

00:20:08.000 Now, I want to, the purpose of the war in the West, and I really urge people to buy it, not just because it's a book by me, but because I'm trying to arm the American people.

00:20:08.000 Yes.

00:20:17.000 I want to arm American parents to know what to say to their kids when they return from college stupider. 0.98

00:20:23.000 And I want to educate the kids to know what to say to their professors when they're indoctrinated. 0.93

00:20:28.000 I want us to have the facts to hand to fight back because the fight back has to be good, has to be decent, has to be reasonable, and it has to be successful.

00:20:36.000 And for that to happen, we need to be on the right terms.

00:20:39.000 Now, here's the thing: we need to be armed for this and armed with all of the right and correct answers, not least because the facts happen to be on our side.

00:20:49.000 But let me just explain what I think is going to have to happen.

00:20:52.000 We're going to have to say we're courteous, and what we're doing at the moment is courteous, but we might not always be courteous.

00:20:59.000 What do I mean by that?

00:21:00.000 I mean, like this: people say that the Western system of science is racist because it was come up with by white people.

00:21:07.000 They say that the Western system of mathematics is racist because it was come up by white people.

00:21:11.000 They say that the Western system of music notation is racist.

00:21:15.000 This is at my old University of Oxford, they're saying they won't teach music notation because it was come up with by dead white men. 0.87

00:21:15.000 You think I'm joking? 0.87

00:21:21.000 Now, here's the thing: none of these things are racist.

00:21:25.000 They are successful not because they came up through white men, but because they work.

00:21:32.000 Yes, the Western system of capitalism came up through white men, but that's not why it's successful. 0.96

00:21:38.000 It's successful because it works.

00:21:40.000 So, here's an example of what not being polite would look like.

00:21:45.000 I could point out, since we always in America, in particular, is always Native American wisdom, Native Indigenous peoples' wisdom, and so on.

00:21:51.000 When you have a global pandemic, when you have a global pandemic, who do you go to to try to find a vaccine?

00:21:59.000 Did anyone go to the Aboriginal peoples of Australia and say, now, look, chaps, I know you've got a different system of science. 0.99

00:22:05.000 Could you help us come up with a vaccine?

00:22:08.000 Did anyone go to First Peoples Native Wisdom and say, Look, we'd really like some help to inoculate the planet against this coronavirus that's come out of China. 0.99

00:22:08.000 No. 0.99

00:22:18.000 And could you help us deal with this?

00:22:21.000 Nobody did that.

00:22:22.000 What did we use?

00:22:23.000 We used the Western system of science.

00:22:26.000 And people of all backgrounds, all backgrounds, not only participated in that, but also benefited from it.

00:22:33.000 My point is, this is what it would look like if we stopped being polite.

00:22:37.000 And I want us to be polite.

00:22:39.000 I don't want to take the mickey out of people because of their traditions any more than I want them to take the mickey out of me for my traditions.

00:22:44.000 But here's the other part of this deal: if you do not respect me, I cannot respect you.

00:22:53.000 If you do not respect my history, I don't see why I should respect yours.

00:22:59.000 If you have zero respect for my culture, I will not respect yours.

00:23:03.000 That's where this goes.

00:23:05.000 That's where this goes.

00:23:07.000 And the fruits of the West are applicable to all people.

00:23:10.000 There's a reason why in the Tokyo Philharmonic, they're playing Bach, not Indonesian drum music or whatever, right?

00:23:20.000 That might be regionally appealing.

00:23:23.000 This is a great point, Charlie, because the point is, is that one of the greatest things of the Western tradition, which we are spitting all over in our era, is that it is available for all people to benefit from.

00:23:36.000 It isn't a racially exclusive event.

00:23:37.000 Yes, white people came up with most of it, but that doesn't mean it is the preserve of white people.

00:23:44.000 It means it's a gift to the world.

00:23:46.000 You know, if somebody else comes along with a better thing, then fine, we can look at that.

00:23:50.000 But these things are the things that work.

00:23:52.000 They made the modern world.

00:23:54.000 They made the world successful.

00:23:56.000 They came from the West.

00:23:57.000 So one of my suggestions is instead of spitting on that and defecating on it and pretending there's nothing good to come for it, how about we actually celebrate it? 0.95

00:24:06.000 How about we're actually grateful for it and show some damn gratitude for what we've been lucky enough to have inherited? 0.87

00:24:12.000 Because it's not, as I keep saying, it's not just luck. 0.57

00:24:15.000 As Branch Rickey once said, and as I quote in the book, luck is the residue of design.

00:24:22.000 Luck is the residue of design.

00:24:25.000 We are lucky in the West because the West was designed this way.

00:24:29.000 We are lucky in America because America was designed this way.

00:24:33.000 We didn't just happen to have what the founding fathers gave us.

00:24:38.000 We have it because they gave it to us.

00:24:40.000 We don't just happen to have freedoms and the freedom of speech and the freedom of thought and movement and much more because, oh, it's just a bit of luck.

00:24:48.000 It's because men from the past gave it to us.

00:24:52.000 They gifted it to us. 0.98

00:24:54.000 We would be such damn fools to think in this generation that our job was to turn that gift away. 0.99

00:25:01.000 And that's what we're in the process of doing. 0.99

00:25:04.000 And yeah, it is the mystery to me of self-destruction of an affluent and generous society.

00:25:12.000 And you've written extensively about that.

00:25:15.000 So now let's shift to the practical marching orders of preservation.

00:25:20.000 What does it take then to win this war on the West?

00:25:24.000 I believe we're starting to see very serious fault lines in the kind of non-stop blitzkrieg from these degenerative forces.

00:25:34.000 And I use that word intentionally.

00:25:36.000 And they are weaker.

00:25:37.000 They're more paranoid than ever before.

00:25:39.000 They're fracturing amongst themselves.

00:25:42.000 First of all, you and I know that's inevitable because they're not rooted in reality or truth or beauty.

00:25:46.000 Instead, it's anger and power.

00:25:48.000 And totalitarians will never trust one another.

00:25:51.000 But what does it take now?

00:25:52.000 Let's talk about winning, not just winning the argument, but winning back the civilization.

00:25:57.000 What is required of us?

00:25:59.000 I am only interested in winning in this.

00:26:02.000 And I want my readers to know how to win.

00:26:06.000 The way we win is to, first of all, to know our facts.

00:26:11.000 And secondly, not to fall into the traps that our opponents are laying.

00:26:15.000 Take one example that is there all the time at the moment, reparations.

00:26:19.000 We are continuously told at the moment that we need to pay reparations.

00:26:23.000 No, time up on that.

00:26:25.000 Time up.

00:26:26.000 At the moment, reparations would be a wealth transfer from one group of people who look like people who may have done something in the past to another group of people who may have had a wrong done to them.

00:26:36.000 Okay.

00:26:37.000 That doesn't make any sense.

00:26:39.000 Here's my suggestion.

00:26:40.000 America paid her reparations.

00:26:43.000 America fought a civil war, a bloody civil war to do away with slavery.

00:26:49.000 That was that.

00:26:50.000 Britain owes no reparations.

00:26:53.000 We dealt with that.

00:26:54.000 In the 19th century, our Navy patrolled the globe after abolishing slavery.

00:26:58.000 We make sure we abolished it elsewhere.

00:27:01.000 So people need to know these things.

00:27:02.000 Let me say, no, we're not falling into your traps.

00:27:05.000 We're not falling into the traps of pretending that we are guilty.

00:27:08.000 We're not.

00:27:09.000 We paid these things down.

00:27:10.000 So what we have at the moment are people who, as Nietzsche says, tear at wounds long closed and then cry about the hurt that has been caused to them.

00:27:22.000 This is what we have.

00:27:23.000 So I'm not interested in these people.

00:27:25.000 I'm not interested in the cries and moans of people who are reopening wounds that are closed.

00:27:31.000 I'm interested in how we move forward.

00:27:32.000 How we move forward is this.

00:27:34.000 We acknowledge what we have is good and we start to celebrate it.

00:27:40.000 Let me give you one quick fact that all of your listeners know, and very few people say.

00:27:47.000 America is the number one destination of migrants in the world, the number one place migrants want to come to.

00:27:55.000 Shortly after that, it's Britain, Canada, and a few other Western countries.

00:27:59.000 Now, when people come across the southern border in their millions, they do not meet people traveling the other way.

00:28:07.000 You do not see Texans fleeing to the safety of Mexico and South America.

00:28:13.000 What does this tell us?

00:28:14.000 It tells us that what we have is good.

00:28:18.000 And if what we have is good, it is because what we had was good.

00:28:24.000 What we had in the past that was given to us is good.

00:28:28.000 So that is what we need to preserve and protect and pass on.

00:28:34.000 Everybody knows it.

00:28:36.000 It's just that nobody admits to it.

00:28:41.000 Hello, everybody.

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00:29:40.000 So, Douglas, what do you have to say then when people are constantly replacing one historical quote-unquote injustice with the other?

00:29:48.000 They say, oh, it's slavery, but then it's redlining and then it's segregation and then it's all of this.

00:29:52.000 It's the constant fixation.

00:29:54.000 Even if you say, wait, wait a second, to add to your point, you know, America distributed 19 million acres of land to freed slaves.

00:30:02.000 The size of South Carolina post-Civil War, most people don't even know this.

00:30:05.000 19 million acres of land were given to freed slaves, which is like giving South Carolina, as I said.

00:30:11.000 Most people say, oh, that wasn't enough.

00:30:12.000 That's a pretty amazing reparation check.

00:30:15.000 But what do you have to say to kind of all these other 20th century arguments that persist to try to invalidate the entire Western culture?

00:30:24.000 We just mustn't fall for it.

00:30:25.000 We've just got to not fall for it.

00:30:27.000 And to know that, we have to know facts like the one you just give and the ones that I give in the war on the west, the ones that we need as armor to defend ourselves and our tradition and this country.

00:30:36.000 You know, if America falls, everything else in the West falls too.

00:30:42.000 If America is persuaded that it is evil, everything else in the West will be persuaded that it is evil too.

00:30:48.000 You know, if Americans are persuaded that their history is only one of evil, then that is it.

00:30:54.000 Game over, show over, curtain closes.

00:30:57.000 The 21st century will be the century of the Chinese Communist Party. 0.80

00:31:02.000 And that, I can assure people, particularly people who think that racism is the single most important thing in the world, will not be a century that will be better for them than the American one.

00:31:12.000 So we need to arm ourselves with the facts and we need to know when we're dealing with bad faith actors.

00:31:18.000 We are dealing with a lot of bad faith actors when they talk about the West today.

00:31:23.000 They say that we are guilty of things uniquely when the things that we are accused of being guilty of are exactly the same things that everyone else in the world also did.

00:31:33.000 Every single civilization in history had slaves.

00:31:38.000 If we're going to pull down everything created by slaves, I guess we've got to pull down the pyramids because you know, I don't think that Egyptian workers were paid a fair day's wage for a fair day's work. 1.00

00:31:48.000 We'd have to pull down the Parthenon in Athens because I don't think that the Athenians managed to give good days' wages to the people who dragged the stones to the top of the hill.

00:31:58.000 Here's the thing: everybody's past is filled with things that they can be told to be shameful of and some things that they should be feeling some shame about.

00:32:08.000 But the overwhelming story of America is not one of shame, but of pride.

00:32:14.000 It isn't one of failure, but of success.

00:32:17.000 It isn't one which we should be cringing about and forever having to apologize about.

00:32:22.000 But say, look, the thing that marks us out isn't that we had slavery.

00:32:26.000 The things that marks us out is that we did away with it.

00:32:30.000 We fought to get rid of it.

00:32:32.000 We paid our dues to stop it.

00:32:36.000 We made ourselves poorer for a period in order to stop it.

00:32:39.000 Is that the case around the world?

00:32:41.000 Is that the case even around the world now?

00:32:44.000 No, no, it isn't.

00:32:45.000 How many slaves are there in the world today? 0.85

00:32:48.000 It's estimated about 40 million, 40 million.

00:32:52.000 I've met slaves myself on my travels around the world.

00:32:55.000 It's a terrible, terrible thing.

00:32:57.000 There are more slaves in the world today than there were in the 19th century.

00:33:01.000 So here's a suggestion.

00:33:02.000 Instead of falling for the people who hate us and the people who want to reframe our narrative and tell us that our country in America was started in slavery in 1619 and that it's forever there and so on.

00:33:14.000 Instead of falling for these people, how about we concentrate on the world as it is now and try to make it better?

00:33:20.000 These people want to take us to the past.

00:33:23.000 They want to talk about race.

00:33:24.000 They want to talk about racism.

00:33:26.000 They want to talk about the past endlessly, a past that they are trying to reframe in a hostile light.

00:33:31.000 I want us to focus on the future.

00:33:34.000 And the future, to get the future right, we have to get the past right.

00:33:38.000 And as I said to you before in the previous segment, everyone in the world knows that the West is best not because it comes from white people, but because it works. 0.52

00:33:49.000 It's our economies that work.

00:33:51.000 It's our societies that work.

00:33:53.000 It is, with all its flaws, our system of law that works.

00:33:57.000 People want to come here because it works.

00:34:01.000 We should show pride in that and we should be able to build on that.

00:34:05.000 But in order to do that, we need to know what it is we're defending and what it is that we are up against.

00:34:12.000 Couldn't have said it better.

00:34:13.000 Douglas, thank you for joining us for the full hour of The War on the West.

00:34:16.000 Everyone, please pick up a copy.

00:34:18.000 Get it right now.

00:34:19.000 The War on the West by Douglas Murray.

00:34:21.000 We'll have to have you back, Douglas.

00:34:23.000 And thank you for your courage and your amazing work.

00:34:26.000 Truly.

00:34:26.000 I'd love to be back.

00:34:27.000 And please, everybody, go online, go to a bookshop if you can find it and buy the war on the west, because if we can, apart from anything else, if we can make it a bestseller, it'll massively demoralize all of our opponents and enemies.

00:34:38.000 It'll make the woke even more angry.

00:34:41.000 And maybe they'll sure well.

00:34:42.000 They won't tweet about it because I don't know if they're on Twitter anymore.

00:34:45.000 Douglas, thank you so much.

00:34:47.000 I appreciate it.

00:34:48.000 Thank you.

00:34:48.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:34:49.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:34:51.000 Email us your thoughts as always.

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00:34:54.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:34:55.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 28, 2022

The War on Whiteness and The West with Douglas Murray

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