The Charlie Kirk Show - The Woke Ouroboros Eats Itself

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, a fascinating story from Amherst, Massachusetts of the woke eating itself.

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00:01:45.000 Let's get to Josh Hammer from Newsweek.

00:01:48.000 Josh, I want to talk to you about the Eastman disbarment.

00:01:50.000 What is the latest there?

00:01:52.000 It has been a remarkable story.

00:01:54.000 Tell us about it.

00:01:55.000 Yeah, Charlie, always great to join you.

00:01:56.000 Wish we were under better circumstances.

00:01:58.000 So last week, you had this 128-page ruling from a state bar court judge.

00:02:05.000 I guess they have their own mini judiciary just for state bar proceedings out in California.

00:02:10.000 And the judge there by the name of Yvette Roland devoted 128 pages to purporting to explain why John Eastman should be disbarred from California.

00:02:20.000 Now, Charlie, let's step back a little bit.

00:02:21.000 John and I went to the same law school.

00:02:23.000 We both went to University of Chicago Law School.

00:02:24.000 I have known about John Eastman since well before I even went to law school.

00:02:28.000 How?

00:02:28.000 Because he's been a prolific legal scholar on the right for a very long time.

00:02:32.000 He was dean of Chapman University School of Law in Orange County, California.

00:02:36.000 He clerked for Justice Clarence Thomas way back in the 1990s.

00:02:40.000 He has written prolifically about the Declaration of Independence, about birthright citizenship and the 14th Amendment.

00:02:45.000 He's been around the block, so to speak.

00:02:47.000 And nonetheless, he is currently being prosecuted by Fonnie Wills in Georgia.

00:02:51.000 They're trying to disbar the man in California, a whole host of other stuff as well.

00:02:55.000 He was forced to retire from Chapman Law.

00:02:57.000 He lost a visiting scholarship position at University of Colorado Boulder.

00:03:00.000 And it's very similar to what's going on to Jeffrey Clark, the former high-ranking Trump DOJ official.

00:03:05.000 They're trying to disbar him right now in Washington, D.C. Actually, literally just yesterday, as I was writing my column on this very topic, the Washington, D.C. bar found Jeffrey Clark in violation of some vaguely defined ethics rule.

00:03:17.000 They're trying to disbar him there as well.

00:03:19.000 He's also being prosecuted by Fonnie Wills down in Fulton County, Georgia.

00:03:22.000 Charlie, the point is that this isn't necessarily about Donald Trump.

00:03:26.000 It's not necessarily about John Eastman, even though he is a personal friend of mine.

00:03:29.000 It's not necessarily about Jeffrey Clark.

00:03:31.000 This is about a war on the legal profession.

00:03:33.000 I look at the current right of center law students.

00:03:36.000 I tour the country giving a lot of law school talks.

00:03:38.000 I look at the current right of center law students who I'm trying to talk to about constitutional interpretation and stuff like that.

00:03:43.000 They are being intimidated out of ever possibly representing a high-profile Republican, such as a Donald Trump.

00:03:51.000 being intimidated out of out of even considering joining a future Republican administration, a Department of Justice, because they're trying to get to a point where if you so much as consider representing a Republican or working in a Republican DOJ, you're going to get disowned.

00:04:06.000 You will get a scarlet letter.

00:04:07.000 You will be disbarred.

00:04:08.000 You will not be hired by a big law firm.

00:04:10.000 It's really disgusting stuff.

00:04:12.000 And unfortunately, it's quintessentially un-American, I think. 0.62

00:04:15.000 And again, I just want to make sure our audience is clear.

00:04:15.000 It really is.

00:04:18.000 What was the reason for the disbarment that he represented his client?

00:04:22.000 Yeah, no, it's literally that.

00:04:23.000 I mean, Charlie, you know these arguments just as well as I do.

00:04:25.000 I mean, they say that John Eastman is an insurrectionist because of the legal advice that he gave to Donald Trump.

00:04:30.000 Let me take that head on just for a second, actually, if I may.

00:04:33.000 So in the aftermath of the 2020 election, leading up to January 6th, 2021, John Eastman decided that he was going to legally represent Donald Trump.

00:04:41.000 Now, when I was in law school, I learned just as every law student learns that you have a legal ethical obligation to passionately and zealously, the term zealously is usually used.

00:04:52.000 You have to zealously advocate for your client's legal interests.

00:04:55.000 And you have a lot of leeway, not unbound, but a lot of leeway to do so within the confines of America's adversarial legal system.

00:05:02.000 What John said is that the 12th Amendment and the Electoral Count Act of 1887 gave the vice president of the United States a more hands-on role, a more active role rather than a purely passive role to determine the legitimacy of the states submitted slates of electors at the Electoral College.

00:05:21.000 Now, it is worth pointing out, Charlie, the U.S. Supreme Court has never, ever in the history of the Supreme Court definitively, authoritatively interpreted that 12th Amendment provision.

00:05:29.000 It is what lawyers call a case or an issue of first impression.

00:05:33.000 It's never been interpreted before.

00:05:34.000 And John had some real, some real evidence to support his position.

00:05:38.000 Is he right?

00:05:39.000 Maybe, maybe not.

00:05:40.000 Is it within the bounds of legitimate legal argumentation?

00:05:43.000 100%.

00:05:44.000 But they're trying to disbar him literally for offering that argument because in their mind, Charlie, as you know, that makes him a so-called insurrectionist.

00:05:52.000 Yeah, and it's just, this is extraordinary stuff.

00:05:55.000 And Josh, can you talk about the chilling effect this has in the legal community about how other lawyers are going to be less likely to defend the undesirable defendants because of this?

00:06:07.000 And what does that mean?

00:06:08.000 We're going to have a brain drain on the right.

00:06:10.000 Again, I'm not a fan of college, as you know, but the one defense of college I have is if you're super smart and you can get credentialed and then fight the commies, get to the best law school you can.

00:06:19.000 But there's a brain drain already in the legal community, right, Josh?

00:06:22.000 This will only further accelerate it where the best lawyers are just going to say, yeah, I don't want to represent you.

00:06:27.000 Yeah, Charlie, I have these conversations with my fellow lawyer friends basically every day.

00:06:32.000 I mean, look, I've taken a very different career path.

00:06:34.000 I work in commentary and I write columns and speak and do all this stuff.

00:06:37.000 But most of my fellow lawyer friends who are still practicing law, I mean, they're seriously looking at this stuff and they are asking themselves, hmm, you know, if I work at a law firm or if I work in a solicitor general's office in Ohio, Texas, Florida, California, wherever it may be, do I really want to uproot myself and my family and move to Washington, D.C. to work in the next Republican administration?

00:06:58.000 If after it is over and after I have served my country, after I have served my cause, after I have fought for truth, justice in the American way, after that, I'm not even going to be employable.

00:07:07.000 You know, firms back in my hometown are going to look at me and they're going to pass over me.

00:07:11.000 I'm not going to be able to bring home food and bread to provide for my family.

00:07:15.000 These are the real kind of conversations that many of my friends are having.

00:07:19.000 I mean, these things have tangible human costs there, but that really is what they're trying to do.

00:07:23.000 And that is why I'm so passionate about this.

00:07:25.000 It's not just about John Eastman.

00:07:27.000 It's not just about Jeffrey Clark.

00:07:29.000 They are trying to cow into submission the entire next generation of right-of-center young lawyers and law school students who have any kind of aspirations for public service.

00:07:39.000 They are trying to make it toxic to represent a high-profile Republican or to work anywhere near Republican or for that matter, broadly speaking, conservative circles.

00:07:48.000 And like I said, it cannot stand because once upon a time, the left even understood this.

00:07:53.000 I mean, look back in the middle of last century, Charlie, at the height of the civil rights movement.

00:07:57.000 The NAACP would go down to the deep south and would represent black Americans at the height of Jim Crow.

00:08:03.000 Once upon a time, the American left understood very well the imperative that every American deserves legal representation, no matter what your partisan identity, no matter who you are, what your beliefs are.

00:08:13.000 They were arguably actually at the forefront of doing that during the civil rights movement, the American left.

00:08:18.000 So look how far they've come.

00:08:20.000 They went from the forefront with the NAACP, the ACLU, all of that 60, 70 years ago, back when the ACLU was still a liberal and not a woke totalitarian organization.

00:08:28.000 And now today they're literally trying to disbar their political enemies and throw them in jail in Georgia in this case.

00:08:34.000 Yeah, I just, I see so many people go to jail unnecessarily on the right, not because they don't have money, some of them, but they can't get the best counsel to defend them because of this.

00:08:47.000 And we're seeing this infect the legal profession.

00:08:50.000 And I just, Josh, I'm sure you could point to other instances of lawyers that did far worse than Eastman that did not get disbarment, right?

00:09:00.000 That did not get the same sort of penalty here.

00:09:03.000 Is there an appeal process ahead of John Eastman?

00:09:06.000 Yeah, so the verdict is not in yet.

00:09:08.000 So he's going to be able to appeal this decision.

00:09:10.000 And, you know, I'm barred in Texas, not California.

00:09:13.000 So I have no particular knowledge as to how exactly it works in the California bar system, but he will have a shot at appeal for sure within that California bar system.

00:09:22.000 Unfortunately, Charlie, it's hard to be optimistic because the California bar, like most state bars, is co-opted by woke leftism.

00:09:29.000 In fact, even Texas, where I'm barred, you would think that Texas would have at least a politically neutral bar.

00:09:35.000 Not so much.

00:09:35.000 I actually was a plaintiff.

00:09:37.000 I sued the state bar of Texas on free speech First Amendment grounds as part of a public interest lawsuit about five years ago now, back in 2019, because even the Texas bar, where I was barred, they were taking our lawyer dues and they were cross-subsidizing woke left-wing activist causes.

00:09:52.000 They were cross-subsidizing illegal immigration detention facilities on the southern border.

00:09:56.000 They were cross-subsidizing all sorts of LGBT stuff that I and my co-plaintiffs were not supportive of.

00:10:02.000 And now it's Texas.

00:10:03.000 So the California bar is totally co-opted by leftism.

00:10:06.000 So I hope that I'm wrong, but it's hard to be particularly optimistic for John Eastman.

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00:11:15.000 Josh Hammer is with us from Newsweek.

00:11:17.000 He does a great job there.

00:11:18.000 You know, Josh, so I pre-tape Morning Joe and I fast forward through it just to kind of see the information warfare that we're in.

00:11:25.000 They spent half of all of their programming bashing Israel this morning.

00:11:30.000 It was relentless.

00:11:32.000 It was cruel.

00:11:34.000 What's going on in the Israel war?

00:11:36.000 As you know, my sympathies are behind Israel winning and destroying Hamas. 0.79

00:11:41.000 I think it's good for a civilization that they do that.

00:11:43.000 And the rewriting of October 7th has just been reprehensible.

00:11:47.000 What's going on here, Josh Hammer?

00:11:48.000 Well, first of all, Charlie, you mentioned Maureen Joe.

00:11:50.000 It's worth pointing out, Mika Brzezinski, her father, who was a longtime neoliberal blob diplomat in D.C., was a pretty known anti-Semite.

00:12:00.000 So, you know, Mika, I don't really follow her musings closely, but if she's very anti-Israel, it would not surprise me at all because her father, unfortunately, kind of.

00:12:08.000 Well, I wouldn't say anti-let's just say critical of the, you know, like the regime critical programming, if that makes sense.

00:12:13.000 Yeah, fair enough.

00:12:14.000 Look, so what happened earlier this week, I mean, this Jose Andres mission, this, this world central kitchen strike, it's obviously terrible.

00:12:14.000 Totally fair.

00:12:21.000 I mean, I'm as pro-life as a company.

00:12:23.000 I literally speak at pro-life conferences across the country.

00:12:25.000 Every loss of innocent human life is obviously terrible.

00:12:28.000 Genesis 1, 27, we are all made in the image of God.

00:12:31.000 But the IDF has done with this exactly what you would hope a first world military to do, which is that they immediately condemned it.

00:12:37.000 They said they were going to investigate it from the top down.

00:12:39.000 And then the news broke overnight.

00:12:41.000 I read about this morning that the two officers that they found who were culpable for ordering the strike, they misidentified what was happening on the ground and the IDF dismissed them.

00:12:48.000 So those two officers are gone and they're not going to be involved in the combat here for the rest of the conflict.

00:12:53.000 But I think it's important to zoom out a little bit here, Charlie.

00:12:56.000 So there's a guy by the name of John Spencer.

00:12:59.000 He's the head of urban warfare studies at West Points.

00:13:01.000 We've published him in Newsweek, man, three or four times over the past few months.

00:13:06.000 He's been prolific.

00:13:07.000 I think I saw him in the New York Post today.

00:13:09.000 He's really getting himself out there.

00:13:10.000 And the point that John has been making, and this is a guy who was on the ground in Mosul.

00:13:14.000 He was there in Iraq in 2016, 2017, supervising the U.S. troops as part of their counterinsurgency against ISIS at the end of the Obama administration, early Trump administration.

00:13:24.000 He is saying that there is no precedent in the history of any urban warfare that he has ever studied to what the IDF has been doing in Gaza.

00:13:30.000 And he means that in a good sense of the term.

00:13:33.000 From a combatant to civilian death ratio, according to his calculation, the ratio right now is about 1 to 1.5.

00:13:40.000 Historically speaking, for urban warfare, that ratio was about 1 to 9.

00:13:44.000 The United States in Mosul back in 2016, 2017 was about a 1 to 2.5, 1 to 3 ratio.

00:13:50.000 So based on his study of the situation, there is truly nothing that Israel could be doing more to prevent civilian loss of life here.

00:13:57.000 And look, the mission has to get done, Charlie.

00:14:00.000 I mean, telling them to stop short of Rafah.

00:14:02.000 So right now they've basically been in a holding pattern for really a month, maybe even more than a month now.

00:14:07.000 They've been waiting to go into Rafah, which is the southernmost stronghold right on the border with Egypt, because they're trying to placate the Biden administration.

00:14:14.000 Unfortunately, what we saw yesterday, especially with Joe Biden's call for a, quote, immediate ceasefire and Tony Blinken telling Israel not to be indistinguishable from their enemies, the genocidal Hamas organization, what we've seen is that the more that Netanyahu and the current Israeli government try to placate the Biden administration, the more that they are setting themselves up to be betrayed.

00:14:35.000 That's what's going on right now.

00:14:36.000 So Israel's going to have to just rip this band-aid off, I fear. 1.00

00:14:39.000 The Biden administration has been woeful, woeful on this conflict, I guess, out of domestic political considerations regarding Dearborn, Michigan.

00:14:46.000 Israel is going to have to do what needs to be done. 0.96

00:14:49.000 And ultimately, to your point, Charlie, they're doing the world a favor because Hamas remains a U.S.-designated FTO, a foreign terrorist organization.

00:14:56.000 That has not changed.

00:14:58.000 That is a federal government-recognized foreign terrorist organization.

00:15:02.000 You know, right before I joined you on air today, I was scrolling through my Twitter feed.

00:15:05.000 I saw that Hassan Nasrallah, who was the head of Hezbollah in Lebanon, he was saying that Israel is about to collapse because the Biden administration is putting so much pressure on it.

00:15:14.000 When you've gotten to a place where another U.S.-recognized foreign terrorist organization with blood on its hands, going back to the Beirut barracks bombings in the 1980s, that's Hezbollah. 0.51

00:15:23.000 When you get to a point where Hezbollah is praising the president of the United States for making your purported ally, Israel, close to collapsing, I mean, you throw your hands up and say, just what in the world is going on here?

00:15:34.000 Yeah, I want to emphasize this one other time, Josh, because Biden's getting it from both sides.

00:15:40.000 Some people are saying that Biden is too per-Israel.

00:15:42.000 Some people are saying that he's too pro, you know, whatever, Hamas.

00:15:46.000 Here's the thing is that he's arming and giving aid to Hamas while simultaneously saying he's for Israel.

00:15:54.000 How does this end?

00:15:55.000 What does success look like?

00:15:57.000 Without any abstractions, can you give some specifics?

00:16:01.000 So Israel estimates that they've killed about 18 to 19,000 of the estimated 25,000 Hamas fighters in Gaza.

00:16:08.000 So that's way more than half, obviously.

00:16:09.000 They've got to finish the job trail.

00:16:10.000 They've got to go into Rafah. 1.00

00:16:11.000 They've got to root out those final battalions, kill those soldiers. 0.71

00:16:14.000 And then only after that is done, you start planning for the day afterward, which is obviously a whole different conversation unto itself. 0.96

00:16:20.000 Josh, great work.

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00:16:23.000 Thank you so much.

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00:16:25.000 Thank you.

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00:17:07.000 Okay, joining us now to discuss a very important story.

00:17:12.000 He goes by Yang on social media, a researcher and religious sociologist and a grad student who is commenting on the story from the New Yorker, the meltdown at a middle school in a liberal town.

00:17:23.000 Yang, welcome to the program.

00:17:24.000 Tell us all about it.

00:17:26.000 Thanks for having me here, Charlie.

00:17:27.000 So I saw this thread on the New Yorker, this post on the New Yorker that talked about this meltdown that we've been seeing all over all over America.

00:17:36.000 Like it's Mamherst, Massachusetts in this case.

00:17:38.000 It's like an affluent liberal, mostly like white liberals.

00:17:43.000 It's a college town.

00:17:44.000 There's like multiple universities there.

00:17:46.000 So I think it's a perfect setting for the kind of, you know, this sort of cancel culture that we've been seeing over the past few years or so, where people would try to spar with each other over who gets to be, you know, the most oppressed or who gets to be, you know, the biggest victim.

00:18:04.000 And that's what we've been seeing over this New York article.

00:18:07.000 I thought it was very insightful and something very that we that needs to be shown because a lot of people don't know what's going on in these little towns.

00:18:16.000 And I'm glad that I brought this tweet.

00:18:19.000 I brought this story out into the world for all of all these people to see.

00:18:23.000 So this is, let's set the stage here.

00:18:25.000 So it's Amherst, Massachusetts, which is western Massachusetts, several liberal arts schools in this little town.

00:18:33.000 Yes, especially Interstellar.

00:18:34.000 Yes.

00:18:35.000 Yeah, which is one of the more liberal schools on the planet, right?

00:18:40.000 You aptly point out that if you drove the windy, woody roads in Amherst, Massachusetts, you would see plenty of signs of in this house.

00:18:48.000 You know, we believe Black Lives Matter and that trans people are people.

00:18:52.000 And it's just all that stuff.

00:18:55.000 So then the drama started.

00:18:57.000 Talk about some of the specifics here because so that the table is set.

00:19:01.000 This town voted 90% for Joe Biden.

00:19:05.000 It's not a mag town.

00:19:07.000 Over, over 90% blue, completely blue.

00:19:10.000 If you look at a map, it's solid, solid blue.

00:19:13.000 Yes, correct.

00:19:15.000 So yeah, so this town is caught between two different sides of the intersectionality pyramid, right?

00:19:24.000 So on one side, there's people of color, like, you know, black, indigenous, you know, Asian, Native American, and Hispanic.

00:19:32.000 And the other side is LGBTQIA plus people.

00:19:37.000 And it turns out a lot of black and Hispanic counselors or students at this mostly white liberal school, they're pretty religious.

00:19:48.000 They're pretty Christian.

00:19:49.000 And that's something, you know, I'm a researcher of religion.

00:19:52.000 I've studied like religiosity between racial groups.

00:19:55.000 And a lot of Latinos, a lot of black people are very religious, more religious than white people.

00:20:01.000 And so a lot of them don't really like the... the transgender transgender ideology that's being pushed to these kids in schools because it goes against their religion.

00:20:14.000 And so, and then the white liberals, they support both transgender, you know, ideology and they support, you know, we need to listen to black and brown voices.

00:20:24.000 We need to, you know, white people should have to, you know, be silent, be respectful when a black person is speaking to you because, you know, you need to listen and learn to do the work.

00:20:35.000 But then these ideologies kind of clash against each other.

00:20:39.000 Because it turns out, yeah, it's an intersectional pileup, as it says.

00:20:39.000 Yes.

00:20:44.000 They clash against each other.

00:20:46.000 It's like an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.

00:20:51.000 Because it's like, what are you supposed to do? 0.65

00:20:54.000 When the black and Latino guidance counselor who says, you know, these kids need Jesus, you know, I'm going to bring a cross into school.

00:21:00.000 We need to tell these kids to pray. 0.73

00:21:02.000 And then these white liberals are like, you know, it's all about exploring your gender identity.

00:21:09.000 It's all about, you know, just affirming yourself.

00:21:13.000 You're special no matter what.

00:21:15.000 Your existence can't be denied.

00:21:17.000 And so there's this huge clash of cultures in this one school district.

00:21:23.000 And because of all this, all these layers of intersectionality built up in it, it becomes this whole mess that we see today.

00:21:31.000 Yeah.

00:21:31.000 So, I mean, it's that old picture of the snake eating itself, which we're going to put up on.

00:21:35.000 Ouroboros, yes.

00:21:37.000 Exactly.

00:21:37.000 Which we're going to put up on screen.

00:21:39.000 So I want to isolate one thing that you've mentioned.

00:21:42.000 So there is this hierarchy that has never really been put into writing, but there it is right there.

00:21:48.000 That does exist within, like, let's just say philosophical Marxist culture or the woke.

00:21:54.000 Let's just say that.

00:21:56.000 And that is that you get like more points or you're treated more seriously if you're a person of color than if you're like a white male.

00:22:03.000 But then who gets higher standing in the Olympics or the hierarchy based on this story?

00:22:10.000 The trans zealots or people of color? 0.94

00:22:13.000 Who gets to, who wins?

00:22:16.000 Well, that is exactly that's the question of who wins is exactly why this town is kind of is tearing itself apart, right?

00:22:24.000 Because I mean, we saw this with like Dave Chappelle, for example.

00:22:27.000 You know, he was a, he was a black comedian, but he said some things about the trans, about transgender individuals that a lot of people didn't like, or J.K. Rowling, you know, a feminist.

00:22:37.000 Same thing with the trans issue again.

00:22:39.000 You know, it's, it's like when these identities are pitted against each other, you know, sparks always fly.

00:22:45.000 Spark, you know, there's always going to be drama because the pyramid isn't something that's like set in stone.

00:22:51.000 It's not like, it's not like, you know, God, you know, sent down the 10 woke commandments, you know, and gave it to Moses on Mount Sina.

00:22:59.000 No, it's not like that.

00:23:00.000 It's not set in stone.

00:23:01.000 It's more like, it's more like you just go with the flow, like whatever's the current thing.

00:23:08.000 You know, maybe in 2020, you know, it was all about, you know, Black Lives Matter.

00:23:11.000 Maybe in 2022, it was all about, you know, trans issues. 0.90

00:23:15.000 And then maybe 2023, it's all about, you know, Palestine. 0.93

00:23:18.000 You know, there's, it like waxes and wanes.

00:23:20.000 It goes ups and downs.

00:23:22.000 So when I talk about this question of, you know, who's on top, in this case, we can see in this article, people are trying hard to strike the balance.

00:23:31.000 And that's where, you know, the sparks are flying.

00:23:34.000 It's like when you rub two sticks together, you get a fire, right?

00:23:36.000 That's what's happening. 0.97

00:23:38.000 This fire, this conflagration that is breaking out here, where it's like blacks, black students and Latino students are bullying these white kids who identify as trans. 0.99

00:23:49.000 But you would usually, you know, punish a bully, especially like a transphobic bully. 0.99

00:23:54.000 But then these school administrators are like, we, we punish black and Hispanic kids too much. 0.96

00:24:01.000 It's not equitable.

00:24:02.000 So what happens is that, you know, even though the white trans kid is getting bullied, they also have to take into account, you know, you know, systemic racism and, you know, all those they say.

00:24:16.000 And so it's like, are we supposed to suspend this kid for being homophobic, for being transphobic? 0.91

00:24:21.000 But, but, but he's black. 0.97

00:24:23.000 You know, you know, black people are marginalized. 0.83

00:24:26.000 And so that drama that we see right there is the heart of the issue.

00:24:31.000 And so if I were to choose a side, I'd say, you know, it's not really either side.

00:24:36.000 They're still just, it's a war.

00:24:38.000 It's just, they're both grinding each other down.

00:24:41.000 That's what, that's how I see it.

00:24:42.000 Yeah.

00:24:42.000 And who's going to win is just somewhat of a mystery.

00:24:45.000 And I love how you talk about how it just waxes and wanes.

00:24:48.000 It goes to show that there's really no core belief system, though.

00:24:53.000 Is that it's almost like a social contagion, a fad that whatever the new thing is, you kind of, I mean, you're a philosopher, you're a researcher, you're, you know, you really understand this stuff.

00:25:03.000 If you had to pinpoint a set of ideas, thinkers, authors that buttress this, what would you, what would you say?

00:25:12.000 Or is it just kind of inherited social orthodoxies of the day?

00:25:18.000 Well, I mean, there's, there's a lot of researchers that there's a lot of thinkers, a lot of philosophers that are behind these theories we see today, like, you know, Derek Bell, the founder of Critical Theory, or Judith Butler, you know, who wrote Gender Trouble.

00:25:31.000 I mean, those thinkers.

00:25:33.000 But I would say a lot of those philosophers come after the fact.

00:25:37.000 Like, you know, it was already a thing to think this.

00:25:39.000 And then the philosophers just put it into words.

00:25:42.000 It's more prescriptive.

00:25:44.000 I mean, it's more descriptive than it is prescriptive.

00:25:47.000 So yeah, you can say, oh, it was CRT that did this.

00:25:49.000 But, you know, the sentiment was already there, but CRT just gave it a name for this already felt sentiment that, you know, there was this inequality between black and white and maybe Hispanics and Asians in the middle.

00:26:02.000 There was already this feeling.

00:26:04.000 And so these ideologies, you know, people like Derek Bell, people like Judith Butler simply label those ideologies and put them into words.

00:26:13.000 And I think that's where the philosophical undercurrent runs.

00:26:16.000 It starts from thinking and then it goes out into the academic journals.

00:26:21.000 It goes out to academia.

00:26:22.000 It goes out into the think tanks and the NGOs.

00:26:25.000 Yeah, and it just goes down.

00:26:26.000 And what's interesting is that Amherst, dare I say, is like the Wuhan lab of COVID.

00:26:33.000 It's like wokeism kind of comes out of places like Amherst.

00:26:36.000 Like it is like the factory of the woke mind virus in the sense where like this is one of the quote unquote prestigious universities where they talk about wokeism, they talk about CRT, they talk about this trans stuff all the time. 0.90

00:26:50.000 And they can't even govern themselves with that ideology.

00:26:53.000 Is that one of the takeaways that it can't be even applied in their own city?

00:26:58.000 Well, the thing about this ideology is that it always evolves.

00:27:03.000 So it's hard to govern when you have an ideology that always evolves because one day you're doing something and then the next day it's actually problematic.

00:27:12.000 One day it's completely fine.

00:27:14.000 The next day it'll get you canceled for it.

00:27:16.000 So it's kind of hard to govern when you have an ideology that keeps evolving, keeps adapting to whatever is new.

00:27:22.000 Yang, plug your sub stack, the stuff you do.

00:27:24.000 I want our audience to be aware of you.

00:27:26.000 Right, right, right.

00:27:27.000 So I have a substack.

00:27:28.000 It's societystandpoint.com.

00:27:31.000 So it's society, like the society we live in.

00:27:34.000 We live in a society and standpoint, like how people view things.

00:27:38.000 So societystandpoint.com.

00:27:40.000 I write a lot about, you know, culture war issues.

00:27:43.000 I write about, you know, race, racial issues, gender issues, culture, politics.

00:27:48.000 You know, if you look my name up, Shili Yang Pen, or just call me Yang, you can see a lot of articles that I've written all about these issues.

00:27:56.000 And that might fascinate, you know, that might interest the viewers of your show.

00:28:01.000 Very good.

00:28:02.000 Yang, thank you so much.

00:28:03.000 Super smart.

00:28:03.000 Come on again soon.

00:28:04.000 I really enjoyed it.

00:28:05.000 Thank you.

00:28:06.000 Thank you, too.

00:28:09.000 RFK is worrying the Democrats.

00:28:13.000 We have been on this for months and for months and for months and for months.

00:28:17.000 And MSNBC, they are running almost non-stop anti-RFK propaganda.

00:28:23.000 They're starting to run the numbers.

00:28:25.000 And you had Al Charlatan on television this morning, Al Sharpton, say, oh, you know, they're going to, all the voters are going to leave the third party and come back.

00:28:32.000 He is so disconnected from the American voter.

00:28:36.000 I've said for a while, the way that we are seeing things trend in this country, the way that we are seeing the current trajectory is that people want more political options and that Cornell West, Jill Stein, by the way, breaking news, Jill Stein is going to be on the ballot in Michigan.

00:28:56.000 That's a very big deal.

00:28:57.000 Now, pending a legal challenge, but they got their act together there.

00:29:00.000 Those Green Party zealots, you better believe it, those are actual communists.

00:29:05.000 By the way, what a very smart branding on behalf of the Green Party.

00:29:10.000 They decide to call themselves the Green Party, which is, you know, obviously we think of communists as the Reds.

00:29:15.000 It's just, everyone likes the color green.

00:29:18.000 The color green feels nice.

00:29:19.000 It's nature, grass.

00:29:22.000 It's like a non-controversial color.

00:29:23.000 I think the color green is one of the hot people's favorite colors.

00:29:27.000 But they are going after RFK full force.

00:29:31.000 And RFK, he doesn't seem to be mincing words.

00:29:34.000 He does not think very highly of Joe Biden.

00:29:38.000 He doesn't think highly of the Democrat regime.

00:29:40.000 And you get this sense with Nicole Shanahan and his vice president, the media that he's doing, the way he's talking, that RFK is playing the long game, that this is chapter one in the book, RFK 2028, Play Cut 25.

00:29:55.000 But do you really believe that when people talk about the threat to democracy that Trump poses, do you really think that that is, is it equal to Biden?

00:30:04.000 Listen, I can make the argument that President Biden is a much worse threat to democracy.

00:30:11.000 That President Biden is a much worse threat to democracy.

00:30:15.000 Notorious left-wing blowhard, who named his entire media outlet after people who did the Armenian genocide, Chenk Unger came out, quote, for the first time today, I'm considering RFK Jr.

00:30:28.000 RFK's right to be concerned about Biden being a threat to democracy.

00:30:32.000 Biden did support anti-democratic movements within the primary.

00:30:36.000 The party of democracy did not have a primary.

00:30:39.000 The party of democracy is trying to sue to allow other candidates off the ballot.

00:30:44.000 The party of democracy is doing everything they can to try to just make this a one-party state.

00:30:51.000 Put Trump in prison, kick RFK off the ballot, threaten Cornell West, kick Jill Stein off the ballot.

00:30:56.000 They don't want competition or the free flow of ideas.

00:30:59.000 They want one party Stalinistic rule.

00:31:04.000 And more and more people are starting to wake up.

00:31:06.000 Now, this is very, very interesting to me.

00:31:09.000 In Hollywood, there are a couple people who are regime appointed.

00:31:14.000 They do whatever the powerful tell them what to do.

00:31:19.000 One of those people is Dwayne Barack Johnson.

00:31:22.000 He opened up the Super Bowl last year by like screaming into a microphone.

00:31:26.000 You don't get that gig unless you are cleared by all of the power brokers.

00:31:31.000 He gets every major film where he basically just like flexes his muscles and smiles.

00:31:35.000 By the way, I like The Rock a lot.

00:31:36.000 I've liked him for a while.

00:31:37.000 He's a good man.

00:31:38.000 I just, his politics I've never liked.

00:31:41.000 This shocked me when I saw this this morning.

00:31:45.000 Somebody green lit this.

00:31:47.000 Somebody powerful said, this is okay.

00:31:49.000 Play cut 109.

00:31:51.000 You made that endorsement in 2020.

00:31:52.000 Are you happy with the state of America?

00:31:55.000 Am I happy with the state of America right now?

00:31:57.000 Well, that answer is no.

00:31:58.000 Do I believe we're going to get better?

00:32:00.000 I believe in that.

00:32:01.000 I'm an optimistic guy, and I believe we can get better.

00:32:06.000 The endorsement that I made years ago with Biden was one I thought was the best decision for me at that time.

00:32:14.000 And I thought back then, when we talk about, hey, you know, I'm in this position where I have some influence and it's my job then.

00:32:24.000 I felt like that then.

00:32:26.000 It's my job now to exercise my influence and share with this is who I'm going to endorse.

00:32:32.000 Am I going to do that again this year?

00:32:34.000 That answer's no.

00:32:35.000 I will say this as our hour is coming to the end.

00:32:38.000 That is the first piece of evidence that I have received in the last 100 days that Joe Biden might not be the nominee.

00:32:46.000 That's how big of a deal it is.

00:32:47.000 It might be an outlier.

00:32:49.000 It may be a data point.

00:32:50.000 But Dwayne The Rock Johnson does not just do this on his own, nor does he just go on Fox News to say that.

00:32:55.000 Who would prove that?

00:32:57.000 And I mean, I have nothing wrong with Fox, but him going on Fox, that's something he would usually say on entertainment tonight.

00:33:02.000 Keep your eye on that.

00:33:04.000 There might be something afoot.

00:33:08.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:09.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:12.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

00:33:16.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 05, 2024

The Woke Ouroboros Eats Itself

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