An update out of Israel as we cheer for Israel in their fight against the terrorists, and the second part of the program, Dr. Carol Swain, amazing American, who should be President of Harvard if Harvard wasn t awful.
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00:01:54.000So we are thankful for her joining the program.
00:01:56.000I have many friends right now in Israel right now helping in a variety of different ways.
00:01:59.000Caroline, please, for Americans that turn off their phones over Christmas break and New Year's, haven't been as far into the weeds, what is the latest in the military operation in Gaza going after the Hamas terrorists?
00:02:18.000Okay, so it's great to be back on your show, Charlie.
00:02:22.000So Gaza is roughly divided into three areas: northern Gaza, which is where Israel's focus of effort was at the outset of the ground operation about six weeks ago.
00:02:36.000And in the north, Israel's taken over above ground over 80% or so of the territory.
00:02:43.000But we're facing a guerrilla war there because there are still apparently quite a lot of terrorists who are operating underground.
00:02:49.000They're no longer directly confronting our forces.
00:02:52.000They're just trying to hold up underground there.
00:02:56.000But you're seeing less fighting in recent days.
00:02:59.000And Israel has been concentrating a lot on destroying the infrastructure there so that they won't be able to operate as freely.
00:03:06.000And the focus of effort right now is in central Gaza and also, and mainly, in fact, in southern Gaza.
00:03:13.000Right now, it's in the town of Khan Yunis, where it's believed that the majority of the Hamas leadership has moved.
00:03:21.000And also, you have massive amounts of subterranean tunnels there.
00:03:24.000And there's concern and assessment that the hostages are also being held in Khan Yunus in the subterranean tunnel complex as human shields.
00:03:40.000And our commando units are operating underground inside of the tunnel, both to find and kill the terrorists and also hopefully to find and rescue the hostages.
00:03:55.000And our eyes are now looking towards Rafa, which is the southernmost town in Gaza that abuts the international border with Egypt.
00:04:06.000And a lot of the weapons that are used by Hamas are imported from abroad through subterranean tunnels that traverse the international border with Egypt.
00:04:18.000So it's very important that Israel sees control of the international border, seize control of Rafah.
00:04:27.000We've been doing that for about a week.
00:04:29.000And the anticipation is that we'll move towards a larger ground operation in Rafah in the coming days or perhaps next week.
00:04:40.000And finally, we've developed a humanitarian area where you have the bulk of the Gazans who have fled their homes and the battles in northern Gaza that is closer to the western edge of Gaza where Israel, where the border with Israel is.
00:04:59.000And so you have a lot of aid going in there.
00:05:03.000And that's where the bulk of the civilians are.
00:05:05.000So how many people are still being held hostage?
00:05:09.000Again, the lack of clarity on this in the Western media is mind-blowing.
00:05:59.000So the operation seems, I hate to use this word, Carolyn, because it's war.
00:06:04.000But it seems like it's going okay as far as from an IDF standpoint, I mean, or going well as far as hitting goals, hitting benchmarks.
00:06:13.000It seems to be a little bit of a waiting game for these savages to come out of their tunnels, right?
00:06:19.000Wait for them to come out of the tunnels.
00:06:21.000Is that a fair assessment of where things stand currently?
00:06:25.000To a certain degree, it's an exercise in frustration, though, on some level, because the best way, the fastest way, and the way that's least dangerous both for civilians in Gaza and also for our forces to force them out of the tunnel is to not resupply them.
00:06:43.000But the U.S. demand for humanitarian assistance to Gaza is essentially just an American demand that Israel resupply Hamas because Hamas controls the humanitarian assistance.
00:06:57.000That humanitarian assistance is distributed in Gaza through a UN organization called UNRWA.
00:07:05.000And they are completely controlled by Hamas.
00:07:08.000Gazans on the ground have told IDF officers that all of the regional directors of UNRWA are Hamas terrorists.
00:07:16.000All of the people on the ground working for UNRWA for the aid are Hamas terrorists.
00:07:21.000This was known beforehand, and it was known by the United States as well, but everybody's in denial about it.
00:07:27.000And so we have a situation where operating under the UN flag, Hamas terrorists are getting all of the international humanitarian assistance going to Gaza at the demand of the United States towards Israel.
00:07:42.000And they're handing out the food, the water, and most importantly, the fuel to themselves first, second to their loyalists, and only third, if at all, to the civilians in Gaza who are not aligned with Hamas.
00:07:56.000So the people who are supposed to be first online to get assistance, the ones who are not aligned with Hamas, are the last ones to get it, if at all, under the current situation.
00:08:06.000And really, the way to help those civilians and alleviate their suffering is to allow them to leave Gaza.
00:08:12.000And that's a position that the United States completely opposes.
00:08:15.000So it's a very strange U.S. policy, but it makes it impossible for Israel to lay siege to the tunnels, which is what you have to do.
00:08:24.000They would all have to come up if they didn't have air, but they have air because they're able to operate their generators through the fuel that they're receiving at the insistence of the U.S. government.
00:08:39.000So, America, in some ways, is playing both sides.
00:08:41.000I mean, obviously, helping Israel in some capacity, but then they're only prolonging the war.
00:08:47.000Is that fair to say that the American government is either intentionally or unintentionally prolonging this conflict?
00:08:52.000Because without fuel for generators, you come out of the tunnels, this thing ends quicker than not.
00:08:58.000So, American taxpayer dollars is making the war longer than it needs to be.
00:09:04.000It's very strange, and it's very frustrating because, again, what we're seeing more and more is that the tunnel that is that the terrorists are just holding up in the tunnels.
00:09:16.000And then that's forcing IDF forces to go down into the tunnels, which is extremely dangerous because obviously they know what's in the tunnels and our commandos don't.
00:09:27.000So, we're at a tremendous tactical disadvantage in being forced to fight inside the tunnels.
00:09:33.000And it's something that shouldn't happen.
00:09:34.000And under normal circumstances, when you're dealing with tunnel warfare, every military organization that I've heard of, their goal is obviously to try to force these terrorists above ground.
00:09:46.000And that ought to be as well the position of the U.S. government.
00:09:51.000But since the government of the United States is insisting on resupplying Hamas, including with the fuel, it's making it very difficult, if not impossible, to lay siege to these tunnels, especially.
00:10:02.000We don't even know where all of them open up from, so that you can't just block them off because we're still finding them.
00:10:12.000And by the way, going back to the UN, every single UN installation that our troops have entered in Gaza are used either for firing missiles or as the entrances and exits from tunnels.
00:10:26.000So that these are all part of Hamas's terror infrastructure in Gaza.
00:10:32.000They are integral parts of Hamas's terrorist infrastructure.
00:10:36.000So is that fair to say that these quote-unquote UN peacekeepers knowingly then have that their bases of operation are being used for warfare?
00:10:43.000That's against the UN's charter, isn't it?
00:10:46.000The UN, by definition, is supposed to be a peacekeeping operation, not subsidizing rocket launching.
00:10:56.000We also had a teacher at a UN school who was one of the people who was holding the hostages who were released in the hostages for terrorists deal that Israel undertook with Hamas in November.
00:11:13.000So that it's not just that, it's also that we've had in at least one case, a UN worker who was committing a war crime, a crime against humanity.
00:11:22.000Not only was he holding hostages, but he was starving them the entire time that he was holding them in captivity in his attic.
00:11:32.000Dark clouds are gathering as markets shutter.
00:11:35.000Stocks are sinking and currency stubbling.
00:13:34.000All aspects of the state of Lebanon are answerable to Hezbollah and Hezbollah alone because they're the most powerful group in Lebanon.
00:13:43.000And so Hamas became a full-fledged Iranian proxy a couple of years ago.
00:13:50.000And the man who led Hamas into the Iranian nexus is number two in Hamas's pecking order, a man named Salikhal al-Aruri, who was in charge of all of Hamas operations also in Judea and Samaria, the west bank of the Jordan River.
00:14:11.000And so he had this, he was a strategist of Hamas, and he was the reason why Hamas is a full partner with Hezbollah and an underling of Iran today.
00:14:24.000And so he was living in Lebanon, which is basically like living in Iran, but they speak Arabic there, along with many other senior Hamas officials.
00:14:37.000And he was killed by a drone strike that shot three missiles into Hamas's operational headquarters in Beirut in the Dahia quarter of Beirut, which is the area where Hezbollah also has its headquarters located.
00:14:53.000So it was a Hamas target that was hit in sort of the heart of Hezbollah in Beirut.
00:15:43.000Hamas has operational headquarters in Gaza, obviously, but also in Qatar, in Turkey, and in Lebanon.
00:15:52.000So they have operational headquarters, fundraising headquarters in those three countries, as well as their operational headquarters where they run the regime in Gaza.
00:16:07.000So Hamas is really a regional terror group, not just a local one.
00:16:14.000So final question here, Caroline, just fill us in on the Supreme Court.
00:16:18.000A lot of reporting on this, kind of hard to track.
00:16:20.000What is your take on first what the Israeli Supreme Court did and the ramifications?
00:16:25.000So, you know, for the year preceding the Hamas invasion on October 7th, Israeli society was riven by unprecedented division because we have a Supreme Court which makes activist justices in the United States look like the most conservative Antonin Scalia wannabes you've ever met.
00:16:45.000Our justices in our Supreme Court are literally judicial dictators.
00:16:51.000And so this has been a cause that I've been fighting for against, against this activist judges in Israel for 30 years, okay?
00:17:00.000And over the ensuing decades, because they started what they've referred to as a judicial revolution in 1992, and they started seizing more and more of the powers of our parliament, the Knesset, and of our government through judicial fiat, through a series of very radical judgments that they ran.
00:17:19.000And so when the current Netanyahu government came into office a year ago, they were elected on a platform of judicial reform, the goal of which was to reduce the power of the court, to restore it to its legal position as a co-equal branch of government.
00:17:35.000And that caused the left to just go nuts because they are able to control policymaking and lawmaking through these radical justices, which under the Israeli crazy system actually select themselves.
00:17:48.000So this is something that you don't want to see in America.
00:17:51.000And so we had this huge fight between the branches of government and the political left in Israel was rioting and calling for civil war and actually undertaking acts of political violence to tear the society apart.
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00:19:16.000The plagiarism scandal at Harvard gets even more interesting because who was gay plagiarizing, plagiarizing someone who I have a great deal of respect for and someone that I'm honored to call a friend, Dr. Carol Swain joins us now.
00:19:32.000Dr. Swain, welcome back to the program.
00:19:41.000Well, my work was among the works of a number of people.
00:19:45.000In fact, there were two instances in her dissertation where she stole language from my book, Black Faces, Black Interests: The Representation of African Americans in Congress.
00:19:59.000And that book was published in 1993, updated in 1995.
00:20:04.000It won three national prizes and was cited by the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:20:10.000It was considered path-breaking the seminal work in the area of Black congressional representation.
00:20:17.000And I have read Claudine Gay's dissertation and several of her articles.
00:20:24.000And my contention is that, in addition to the verbatim lifting of language, that my ideas are riddled throughout her articles and they're not dealt with in an intellectually honest manner.
00:20:40.000So I am upset because traditionally, when you're doing scholarship, you do literature reviews, you engage the seminal work in the area, you cite the seminal work in the area.
00:20:52.000The way she handled my work was irresponsible.
00:20:56.000So that's part of why I believe she should be held accountable.
00:21:00.000But even if she's just a bad scholar, a sloppy scholar, all that means is that she doesn't belong at Harvard or any tier one institution.
00:21:11.000In fact, a community college probably would not hire a professor who engaged in serial plagiarism.
00:21:21.000Yeah, and so, but the sick part of the story, Dr. Swain, is she keeps her $900,000 a year salary and she stays on faculty.
00:21:31.000So she just doesn't really, it's not even a demotion.
00:22:17.000If she was a white male who was found to be plagiarized, how would that white male typically be held accountable in an academic context?
00:22:28.000I mean, even black people up until Claudine Gay, whether you were black or white, anyone caught plagiarizing in a high-profile position would be held accountable.
00:22:39.000But then we had these instances involving white journalists and writers that on the Democrat side that were caught plagiarizing books and they did not pay a high price.
00:22:53.000So on the Democrat side, there's some plagiarism that they tolerate.
00:22:58.000But usually in academia, if you plagiarize your dissertation and that's found out to be the case, you're not going to get your doctorate on the basis of a plagiarized dissertation.
00:23:11.000So I really question whether or not she's Dr. Gay.
00:23:14.000And then when it comes to the articles that she presented for tenure, those articles were riddled with plagiarized portions from other people's work.
00:23:25.000Even if she had not plagiarized her articles, her record would not warrant tenure at the Ivy League.
00:23:32.000So, I have a lot, you know, that Harvard has become a joke, and they're lowering academic standards.
00:23:40.000They're part of the race to the bottom.
00:23:43.000And it is the only good thing about this, there's always a silver lining to everything, is that we know now that we should never ever look towards Harvard University for Supreme Court justices, for people that we want in high positions of authority, because we know that for the most part, those people have been indoctrinated.
00:24:23.000Here's the stark truth about DEI: diversity programs and those who enacted them have generally failed to make their workplaces more diverse, even while pandering to minorities and alienating whites.
00:24:35.000How does this fit into the Harvard story?
00:24:39.000I mean, Harvard is destroying its brand, if it wasn't already destroyed, by standing behind Claudine Gay.
00:24:47.000And what they're doing that's harming higher education is that they're willing to try to redefine plagiarism to save this woman.
00:24:56.000And it's all because she's black, but not just because she's black.
00:25:00.000She is a product of the best schools in America.
00:25:04.000She didn't come from some inner-city black school.
00:25:07.000She went to Phillips Exeter Academy, one of the leading boarding schools in America.
00:25:14.000She has a degree from Stanford University undergraduate degree.
00:25:19.000She won a prize for her senior thesis.
00:25:23.000And I've been trying to get journalists to get a copy of that senior thesis and check it out.
00:25:28.000Because if a person plagiarizes to the extent that she does, it didn't just happen.
00:25:34.000She's probably been doing it all of her life.
00:25:37.000And so with DEI, there's so much emphasis on group identity and virtue signaling.
00:25:44.000And they've totally divorced qualifications for the job from the demand to have people identify and represent certain groups.
00:25:56.000And you see that with the Biden administration.
00:25:58.000The Biden administration is filled with people representing groups, LGBTQ, as well as women and racial and ethnic minorities.
00:26:08.000They're less concerned with whether or not these people are actually qualified.
00:26:12.000To me, it's very insulting to the qualified members of those groups who worked very hard to accomplish things that their accomplishments are diminished by the fact that the racism so prevalent among Democrats, the real racism is that they don't have a problem with that.
00:26:33.000They think that they can stick any racial, political, or sexual minority into a position and that qualifications don't matter.
00:26:54.000So look, the president has always, always put equity at the center of every policy he's put forward, every legislation that he's put forward, because we understand that many communities have been left behind, have been left behind.
00:27:08.000We're not trying to do the trickle-down economics.
00:27:12.000Your reaction, Dr. Swain, to Corrine Jean-Pierre and this idea of equity.
00:27:18.000First of all, young people like her, it pains my heart.
00:27:23.000As a person who spent most of a large part of my life in higher education, these young people, many of them racial and ethnic minorities, have been totally indoctrinated.
00:27:35.000They can't think themselves out of a brown paper bag.
00:27:39.000And with her, equity is about equal outcomes.
00:27:42.000The era that I grew up in and previously the people that came before me, like Bob Woodson, What we wanted was equal opportunity.
00:27:54.000We just wanted to get our feet in the door.
00:27:56.000And so when the 1964 Civil Rights Act passed that prohibited discrimination on the basis of race, sex, national origin, and religion, that was like a godsend.
00:28:08.000It opened so many doors for people and it made it possible for us to get our feet in the door.
00:28:31.000You can just show up, have a chip on your shoulder, and you get slid into positions just because you belong to the right group and you can claim victim status.
00:28:41.000If I had relied on victim status, I'd still be in poverty in southwestern Virginia.
00:29:46.000And I grew up at a time when we believed in the American dream.
00:29:50.000We were taught that if you worked hard and got an education, you could make something out of yourself.
00:29:58.000The emphasis was on you can make something out of yourself.
00:30:02.000Now young people are told that because of the color of their skin or their sexual orientation or their poverty status, that they are victim and that someone else is to blame.
00:30:13.000And the someone else tends to be white people who are considered privileged regardless of where they grow up.
00:30:21.000Even if they grew up in Appalachia and they live in a shack and no one finished the third grade, because of their white skin, they're told that they're more privileged than the offspring of a black billionaire or millionaire.
00:30:36.000It's ludicrous and it harms Americans.
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00:32:45.000So, Dr. Swain, how do we best defeat the DEI beast?
00:32:51.000What should our plan of action be to push back against diversity, equity, inclusion?
00:32:57.000What I argue for in my book, The Adversity of Diversity, is for people to know their civil rights.
00:33:04.000That all persons, which includes white people, are protected by the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
00:33:13.000And men are protected as well as women.
00:33:16.000And men face a great deal of discrimination just because they happen to be male.
00:33:22.000It's important for all Americans to know their civil rights under the law and also that they are protected by the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
00:33:32.000And racial and ethnic minorities are very experienced with documenting discrimination.
00:33:38.000I think it's important that white people learn their rights, but also to document when they are being told things that violate the law or when they're being asked to do things that are in violation of the law.
00:33:51.000Or if someone tells them directly that because you are white or because you are male or because you are Christian, you can't do XYZ.
00:34:01.000You need to know your rights under the law and push back, file lawsuits.
00:34:23.000And there are some public interest law firms that are taking civil rights cases.
00:34:28.000So your argument then is to use the Civil Rights Act and to challenge some of this anti-white racism, essentially, that we're seeing in our country.
00:34:38.000Is that I'm saying we should use the laws of the land to our benefit.
00:34:44.000And that the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and then there are many local governments that have civil rights regulations, that those have to be used by everyone.
00:34:57.000And the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination on the basis of race.
00:35:04.000It prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex, as well as religion.
00:35:09.000In today's culture, we find that men are discriminated against often because they are male.
00:35:18.000And Christians are discriminated against more frequently, as well as whites and Asians.
00:35:25.000So the Civil Rights Act was not just passed to protect the rights of blacks and Hispanics, but it was passed to protect everyone's rights.
00:35:35.000And I think a lot of white people are not aware of that.
00:35:38.000And we also need to know and realize that we have constitutional rights, that every person in the United States is guaranteed equal protection of the laws.
00:35:51.000And so between the Equal Protection Clause and the Civil Rights Act, there is a recourse for discrimination, but you have to be able to recognize it and document it.
00:36:09.000It's important, in our opinion, on this program, to push back anytime there is disparate outcome, blaming it on discrimination.
00:36:17.000I think that's one of the most important things we can do as far as pushing back against this idea of systemic racism.
00:36:24.000How do you respond in a minute to the charges that America is systemically racist?
00:36:29.000Well, I mean, the disparate impact is a legal concept that has been used to really push a lot of the race-based solutions.
00:36:38.000I think all that needs to be revisited because it's not the same country that it was 50 or 60 years ago.
00:36:45.000Whites are minority in many parts of the country.
00:36:49.000And what made sense maybe, perhaps it made sense 60 years ago, doesn't make sense today that we need to treat everyone equal under the law.
00:36:58.000Discrimination is not hard to identify and document because so many people will openly tell white people, Christians, this favored groups, why they're discriminating against them, why they are being excluded.