00:00:00.000Today, the Charlie Kirk Show, Colonel Douglas McGregor joins us to talk about what is really going on in Ukraine.
00:00:07.000And then we talk about the vaccine with Steve Cortez and one of the more, let's just say, bizarre pregnant pauses in recent memory when it comes to interviews.
00:00:36.000I want to thank Jen from North Carolina.
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00:00:51.000I'm sorry, Emily from Arlington Heights, Illinois.
00:01:27.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:54.000Steve, I caught you on War Room this morning with Bannon, and I wanted to just play this piece of tape here because I thought your take was so smart with DeMar Hamlin.
00:02:04.000And in some ways, I'm kind of front and center of this entire story because I tweeted basically as it happened because I was watching it live on Monday Night Football.
00:02:14.000People might not remember this was the New Year's Day observed when it happened.
00:02:19.000This was right after the Rose Bowl, and it was airing on ABC, which is rare for Monday Night Football.
00:02:25.000So that ABC took it as network programming in addition to ESPN.
00:02:29.000So there were tons of viewers, and DeMar Hamlin collapsed.
00:02:33.000And I tweeted out, I want to make sure the language is correct.
00:02:36.000You know, this is a tragic site that is happening far too often.
00:02:39.000Athletes dropping suddenly and the world goes nuts.
00:02:41.000And Adam Kinzinger calls me human trash and just really got out of control.
00:02:46.000And again, I never said the word vaccine and people thought I did.
00:02:49.000Okay, but here's, I saw this interview with Michael Strahan, and I really respect Michael Strahan.
00:02:54.000And I think he's a really fun person, but he was obviously out of his league here as soon as he was getting into kind of the third rail of politics where he didn't ask the appropriate follow-up question.
00:03:05.000But you could see that someone didn't necessarily coach DeMar Hamlin.
00:03:08.000I think they just assumed that these answers would be kind of boring and, you know, simple.
00:03:13.000But the pregnant pause here, you could take a nap, fly to Europe, and return in the time it took for DeMar Hamlin to answer this question, PlayCut 66.
00:04:18.000Look, I don't know what's going on in his head.
00:04:20.000And let me be clear: I'm not in any sense blaming DeMar Hamlin, who underwent a personal tragedy, a medical tragedy that he seems to be rallying from with gusto.
00:04:31.000We don't know what kind of pressures are upon him, but we as a country and certainly NFL fans have a very significant interest, a material interest, right?
00:05:31.000Well, I believe it's because they're scared of where the answers might lead.
00:05:35.000And that doesn't mean, Charlie, I want to be clear here and careful.
00:05:38.000I'm not saying that it was vaccine related, but a lot of people have suspicions that it is.
00:05:42.000But wherever the answers and the investigation leads, we need to know why a man, very, very strong man, at the peak of his physical abilities, would go into that kind of cardiac arrest where he would have died in all likelihood had there not been expert medical care, thank God, right there to care for him.
00:06:03.000You pinpointed the difficulty right now for the NFL.
00:06:08.000So if they actually get pressure on this, which they won't, this is going to get memory hold and this is going to be forgotten.
00:06:13.000The NFL, one of their talking points is like, well, you know, this actually happens all the time.
00:08:24.000But it does mean that something incredibly unusual is going on outside of people who are suffering from COVID itself.
00:08:31.000But again, in normal times, these are anything but normal, media would be all over the story trying to figure out what is causing people to drop dead at an alarming and consistent and stubborn rate.
00:08:44.000What caused DeMar Hamlin to collapse and nearly die in front of the nation and national television?
00:08:48.000The incuriosity, I would argue, arises from a complete conflict of interest because for one thing, corporate media and especially sports media, the last thing they want to do is antagonize the NFL, right?
00:09:00.000Which is one of the last live events that people really tune into TV for.
00:09:05.000So they certainly don't want to antagonize the NFL.
00:09:08.000I would also argue they certainly don't want to antagonize big pharma, one of the biggest advertisers on corporate media, particularly the news shows, if you notice, they're all right Pfizer constantly.
00:09:18.000And then also, most of all, just in the macro sense, they don't want to disturb the narrative.
00:09:23.000And the narrative is all of these public health mandates and tyrannies that were inflicted upon the country, they were all done because of science and they're good for you.
00:09:52.000Steve, have you ever, have you lived through an issue similar to this where the evidence is becoming so overwhelming and there is just a repeated media blackout?
00:10:03.000Pfizer spent $110 million on television advertisements with the major networks last year, $110 million.
00:10:22.000Because it's too important for the American people.
00:10:24.000And by the way, to that point about the massive advertising from big pharma, remember that these big pharma companies, they can't sell directly to consumers, right?
00:10:32.000So they're not really paying so much to reach the consumer because these are all prescription-based.
00:10:37.000What they are paying for is they're currying favor with these gatekeepers, with these news organizations.
00:10:43.000I firmly believe that is the point of the massive amount of advertising that they do.
00:10:49.000You know, but look, you know, as you alluded to earlier, the NFL is not just big pharma.
00:10:53.000The NFL has a problem here too, because either it owes the public, it owes its fans an explanation of what happened to DeMar Hamlin, or if it says, hey, this is just a consequence of playing football.
00:11:18.000I loathe the NFL, but I love football.
00:11:21.000But more importantly, whether you're a sports fan or not, for all of society, this issue is not going away.
00:11:26.000And let me give you a piece of news that folks out there may not be aware of.
00:11:29.000The CDC just made it official, the committee voted weeks ago, but they just made it official a few days ago that the mRNA treatment, it's not really a vaccine, but what we call the vaccine is now on the official recommended list for children in the United States.
00:11:45.000Now, you might say to yourself, oh, well, it's just a recommendation.
00:11:49.000Yes, it's going to, especially in blue states and in blue jurisdictions, because that list from the CDC is not a recommendation to those governors and to those school districts and to those mayors.
00:12:13.000Even though children are not statistically vulnerable to the dire effects of this virus, even though even if the vaccine is perfectly safe, it still shouldn't be administered to children.
00:12:22.000The CDC, nonetheless, I believe, bowed to the pressure of big pharma and has officially added it to the vaccination schedule for children.
00:12:44.000And they say, our pediatrician makes us feel so bad and won't treat our six-month-old if we don't get every single vaccine when they want them on the schedule.
00:13:26.000So they're basically, they have flawed products that variable might be doing damage to people.
00:13:32.000You cannot sue them because they're basically indemnified thanks to Congress that passed a law in the 90s, one of the biggest mistakes Reagan ever made, which protected vaccine companies and manufacturers from being sued, happened in the 1980s.
00:13:46.000And then they buy off every single major news outlet and the media conglomerates with highly priced advertisement.
00:13:54.000So they have a business interest not to cover them.
00:13:59.000No, and listen, and that is the reality.
00:14:01.000So, you know, again, if you want to explain this complacency, this staggering incuriosity from corporate media, you know, look at where their incentives are.
00:14:11.000They don't want to antagonize the NFL.
00:14:13.000They don't want to antagonize big pharma.
00:14:20.000By the way, to circle back to the DeMar Hamlin issue and Anthony Fauci, remember that even though Anthony Fauci has never treated DeMar Hamlin, to my knowledge, he's never met DeMar Hamlin.
00:14:30.000He went on national television after that incident and he declared definitively on CBS News.
00:14:37.000He declared definitively that it was comodiocortis, which became suddenly a common phrase that Americans had never heard of and suddenly knew.
00:14:45.000If you look into it, that explanation doesn't hold water at all, that diagnosis, because comodiocortis is an extremely rare problem that results generally from teenage boys most of the time who are underdeveloped, don't have really strong chest bones and muscles yet, and take a shot from a high-speed projectile, often a baseball, to the chest, and it can cause massive cardiac arrest.
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00:18:02.000Love having you on and our audience is just enthusiastic every time you come on because you're clear and also contrarian to the nonsense that we see on television from the military industrial complex.
00:18:38.000So what we're watching at the moment are a couple of things that your audience needs to know.
00:18:43.000First of all, the numbers of artillery strikes, rockets, missiles, hardshell artillery has risen dramatically.
00:18:50.000Most of it, not all of it, but most of it is focused on destroying air defense, air defense radars, air defense capabilities.
00:18:59.000And that is logical because once you've stripped away the air defense, then there is nothing to interfere with your own close air support as well as all your other standoff attack, missile, and rocket systems.
00:19:11.000Secondly, they've marshaled an enormous number of forces down in the south of Ukraine on the east side of the Dnieper River and moving from left to right from Zaborosha, which is near the river, over to Bakhmut, which everybody's heard a great deal about, and then up to a place called Lima, near IMAN, close to the Oxal River.
00:19:35.000That's about a four, three, four hundred kilometer stretch.
00:19:40.000And they have marshaled roughly 250 to 300,000 troops there.
00:19:45.000And then in the western part of Russia, another 100,000.
00:19:49.000And what we're seeing is an incremental rollout of these forces.
00:19:53.000These are many of them mobilized forces.
00:19:56.000They are led by combat experienced commanders.
00:19:58.000But many of these troops have not seen combat to this point.
00:20:02.000And they're being positioned to break through and then head north and west to essentially recapture all of eastern Ukraine.
00:20:13.000Do you think it's likely that Russia will be able to accomplish that before the mud season kicks in?
00:20:23.000I think they're less concerned about the mud season at this point, simply because once you are north of the line that I just described, it's fairly open rolling terrain, which makes it easier for you to control what moves in it.
00:20:39.000You have no difficulty finding targets that you want to destroy, and your forces don't have much trouble moving.
00:20:46.000If they were still down in the Donbas to the south, then that would be a larger consideration.
00:20:52.000So I would say certainly within the next 30 to 60 days, I would expect what I just described to happen.
00:20:57.000What do you think is Russia's overall goal with the war at this point?
00:21:01.000It seems that they're willing to continue to escalate this, send more troops.
00:21:07.000And so what does success look like right now for the Kremlin?
00:21:11.000Well, I think success for the Kremlin would be an end to this war, to be blunt.
00:21:15.000I think both the Russian people and the government would like to see this thing end.
00:21:19.000They'd like to negotiate an end to it, but they're certainly not going to walk into a negotiation where they're told, well, you have to accept guilt, quote unquote, for the war, which they really didn't start.
00:21:31.000And then they're not going to give up all the terrain that they've already seized, which was largely occupied by Russians.
00:21:38.000Remember, their initial demands, if you will, were pretty modest.
00:21:42.000You give these two republics in the Far East autonomy.
00:21:47.000You give neutrality to Ukraine and ultimately recognize that Crimea is ours.
00:21:53.000They're not going to fall back on those now.
00:21:54.000They're going to demand neutrality for whatever form of a Ukrainian state exists, but it's going to be significantly reduced in size in a territorial sense.
00:22:05.000The problem is that we don't seem to be interested in negotiating.
00:22:08.000And so the other fallback position for the Russians, and a gentleman just came back from Moscow told me this very recently.
00:22:16.000The Russians are prepared for a 30-month war with us.
00:22:20.000In other words, they've amassed all the ammunition, the equipment, and the capabilities they need to fight us for two and a half years.
00:22:28.000They don't want to, but they're prepared for it.
00:22:31.000Can you just go a little deeper on that, on how Russia views war versus how the West views war, views war?
00:22:40.000They're willing to sacrifice greater numbers.
00:22:43.000They are willing to engage in a war of attrition.
00:22:46.000This is a concept that a lot of Westerners, it's foreign to us.
00:22:50.000Well, I think that's misleading, Charlie, to be frank.
00:22:53.000I think they've been very economical with Russian lives.
00:22:56.000All of the commanders have tried to maximize the use of standoff firepower, missiles, rockets, artillery, to do as much damage as possible.
00:23:27.000But the Russians have never taken the heavy casualties that the West insists they've sustained.
00:23:32.000The West is running around with some crazy number of 200,000 casualties, pure nonsense.
00:23:37.000I'd be surprised if they had 50,000 to 60,000 casualties and more than 20,000 dead.
00:23:43.000It's the Ukrainians that have suffered terribly.
00:23:46.000So I think on the one hand, yes, attrition is part of this, but the attrition is focused on the Ukrainians.
00:23:54.000And the maneuver will follow the attrition.
00:23:56.000Once it becomes clear that the Ukrainians are completely broken, and they're pretty close to it right now, and they fall apart, then the maneuver will commence.
00:24:37.000Yeah, and thank you for clarifying and correcting me because, quite honestly, I hear repeatedly from people, it's just a matter of Russia throwing enough people at the front line.
00:24:48.000For example, you know, this is General Milley.
00:25:29.000What is your reaction to General Milley?
00:25:32.000Everything that Milley said should be applied to the Ukrainians, not the Russians.
00:25:38.000We estimate that as many as a million Ukrainians have been shoved in front of the Russians down in the Donbass.
00:25:46.000Remember, they started with a regular army of about 450,000 with 200,000 trained reserves.
00:25:54.000Most of that is either killed or wounded.
00:25:57.000And then they've replaced them with hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, frankly, who had little or no training and were forced into the front lines.
00:26:04.000So everything he said applies to the Ukrainian side, not the Russian.
00:26:10.000Russians are not suffering terribly at all.
00:26:13.000All you have to do is look at the stuff that is posted online and you find plenty of confirmation for the good health and high morale of the Russians.
00:26:22.000But the Russians naturally want an end to this.
00:27:36.000This is a material that could be lifted from any history book about the Soviet army in 1942, 43, 44, where they very definitely did what Mr. Stoltenberg describes.
00:27:52.000The second point is Mr. Putin cannot prepare for peace.
00:27:58.000I'm sure that he would prefer to do so, as everybody involved in this would.
00:28:03.000The problem is that we continue to promise more and more equipment, more ammunition, more tanks, better tanks, fighter aircraft, you name it, telling the Ukrainians to fight on to the bitter end.
00:28:16.000Under those circumstances, what do you expect the Russians to do?
00:28:19.000The Russians are doing what they know they have to do.
00:28:21.000They have to destroy the Ukrainian armed forces.
00:28:24.000That's what they're getting ready to complete right now.
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00:29:42.000How do you think the West is going to respond if and when Russia is able to take more territory?
00:29:48.000I think the West will scream and holler, but ultimately do nothing.
00:29:54.000They understand the risks are enormous.
00:29:56.000If we interfere with ground forces, air forces in the war in Ukraine, we will end up in a direct confrontation with Russia.
00:30:05.000No one in the Department of Defense wants that, and everyone in the Department of Defense has warned the president we're not prepared for that confrontation.
00:31:12.000And it's in our interest, Charlie, to do that.
00:31:15.000A neutral Ukraine between Russia and NATO is a wonderful buffer that both sides can appreciate.
00:31:23.000But other than that, when it comes to territory, that's going to be a give and take.
00:31:27.000It's going to be determined, I suspect, in large part, by where the Russian forces are when we finally decide to negotiate.
00:31:34.000And of course, that's a bad way to do business on our side because we have to expect that the Russians will ultimately roll everything up to the Nieper River.
00:31:44.000I'm afraid that a lot of people are going to continually unnecessarily die, and it's only going to put us in a more and more precarious situation.
00:31:53.000So, Colonel, I want to ask you about the unidentified flying objects.
00:31:56.000What do you know about this, and how should we think about it?
00:32:01.000Well, I wouldn't waste a great deal of time on it.
00:32:03.000I think the whole balloon hysteria is coming unglued right now.
00:32:08.000As I understand it, we're now close to admitting that we shot down a weather balloon that belonged to the U.S. Weather Service.
00:32:16.000I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised.
00:32:19.000One of my friends, a classmate from West Point, called me and said, you know, Doug, these people are so stupid.
00:32:24.000We could buy a balloon online, fill it with helium, attach a teddy bear to it, put a Chinese flag in the teddy bear's hand, and they'd use a $400,000 missile to shoot it down.
00:32:35.000I mean, this has reached the point of absurdity.
00:32:38.000The Chinese have 300 satellites orbiting the planet.
00:32:43.000At least a third of those have a military application.
00:32:47.000They have access to the same technologies of intelligence collection that we do.
00:32:51.000They can read the names on gravestones.
00:32:53.000They can listen to whatever Dr. Jill says to President Biden tonight when they go to sleep.
00:33:27.000Well, I'm glad you mentioned the Goodyear blimp because for any of these balloons to carry a payload of technology that would actually provide the kind of surveillance that we're looking for or that the Chinese were looking for, it would have to be the size of a Goodyear blimp.
00:33:45.000And these things have all been far, far too small to do that.
00:33:59.000I think someone in the Air Force saw this thing and said, well, it's probably a weather balloon or they're accustomed to it and did nothing.
00:34:08.000And then we decided, and when I say we, I suspect the Biden administration to make something out of it.
00:34:24.000I don't think he reacted because we've seen lots of trash blow at 30,000, 40,000 feet along the jet stream from west to east for a long time.
00:34:33.000Stomach decided to make this an issue and pin it on China.
00:34:37.000There's a lot of Chinese hysteria in Washington right now, Charlie.
00:34:41.000Sometimes I wonder since they've already made a mess of this war with Russia and the Russians are ultimately going to triumph and everybody here knows it.
00:34:49.000Maybe now it's time to shift gears to China and start something else.
00:34:53.000I hope not, but sometimes I get that impression.
00:34:55.000The appetite for war never ceases in the kingdom of Washington, D.C. Colonel Douglas McGregor, thank you so much.