The Charlie Kirk Show - The Youth Revolt at the RNC

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00:02:05.000 Joining us now is Joe Mitchell, founder of Run Gen Z, and formerly on the RNC Youth Committee.

00:02:13.000 Made some big news yesterday.

00:02:14.000 Fox News says RNC Youth Committee members resign over dissatisfaction with efforts to attract younger voters.

00:02:20.000 Joe, welcome to the program.

00:02:21.000 Joe, we've known each other for a while.

00:02:23.000 You do great work.

00:02:24.000 Tell us all about this.

00:02:25.000 Charlie, good to be here with you.

00:02:27.000 Well, frankly, it's kind of sad that I have to be here talking about this because I had a little hope in the beginning that this youth advisory committee was going to be something worthwhile.

00:02:39.000 And I was warned by several people that might not be.

00:02:42.000 And that's exactly what it turned out to be.

00:02:44.000 You know, I was contacted back in March, you know, by the political director at the RNC to join this youth advisory council that they were putting together to reach the youth vote and try to perform better than we have in these past elections, primarily the midterm elections that we did very poorly in.

00:03:03.000 And so I was happily to join.

00:03:05.000 You know, wanted to make sure that I was doing my part in the movement.

00:03:10.000 And I'm involved in, you know, with you guys, of course, but decided to do my part to help and was asked to also recruit other state reps that I knew to join this board.

00:03:23.000 And we joined this board.

00:03:24.000 And unfortunately, it's turned out to really be an optical illusion to be able to raise funds from donors to give to the RNC, which, as you've seen this past week, they are not doing too well on fundraising.

00:03:38.000 And so that, I guess, makes sense.

00:03:39.000 But this was not something I was going to continue to participate in and make sure that they could utilize folks that are good people that are actually elected officials that are doing stuff in their respective states to raise funds for this movement.

00:03:52.000 Yeah.

00:03:52.000 So just kind of educate our audience on this.

00:03:55.000 What is the culture like in the RNC versus, I mean, no, not say turning point, but five of you guys step down.

00:04:00.000 Do you get the sense that the culture at the RNC is one to win or kind of more just kind of shuffle paper around, bring in money, pay some salaries?

00:04:08.000 Do you get the sense of urgency from the Republican National Committee?

00:04:13.000 Well, I'll let the viewers decide that.

00:04:15.000 I was contacted in March.

00:04:17.000 I had one meeting I attended in March through Zoom.

00:04:22.000 And in May was the next scheduled meeting, which my link did not work to even join that committee meeting and asked several times to get a new Zoom link sent to me, which shouldn't be too hard.

00:04:33.000 And wasn't able to join that committee meeting because those technical difficulties on their side, where I talked to other friends of mine that are also members that have resigned from this committee now, it was more like a brainstorming session where there was no strategic goals that were set out or timelines that were put in place, which is unfortunate.

00:04:55.000 And since then, I've not been sent any meeting notices and of course will not be in the future.

00:05:03.000 But, you know, when I do stuff with other groups, and I will use turning point for reference, you know, when you guys tell me there's a timeline to get things in or to do things or, you know, dates for conferences, that sort of thing, you guys follow through on things.

00:05:18.000 And so, you know, obviously, if this is happening with this, you know, subcommittee at the RNC, I don't think that it's a coincidence.

00:05:27.000 I think it's, you know, probably rule and not the exception, unfortunately.

00:05:32.000 And that what's, you know, really made me upset and took the initiative to contact the other members that I had recruited through our circle to ask if they wanted to resign from this committee.

00:05:44.000 So there's five of you that resigned.

00:05:46.000 What is the consensus then amongst you five? 0.61

00:05:48.000 And what do you think materially can be done or what the RNC could have done besides just having these stupid Zoom call meetings where like actual action that you would recommend because you are a very young lawmaker from Iowa, you got elected, have a really great thing. 0.80

00:06:01.000 What can be done that they ignored or they were too bureaucratic to actually do?

00:06:07.000 Well, you know, unfortunately, you know, I was twisting arms to get my other members to actually join this because they don't have a very good view of the RNC.

00:06:16.000 And so they're doing that a favor for me, essentially, when they first initially joined.

00:06:22.000 They're very busy people.

00:06:25.000 They're state lawmakers in their respective states, the youngest state lawmakers.

00:06:29.000 And I think the most disappointing part of this is that I had the, you know, the youngest female state reps from Florida, Texas, and Missouri.

00:06:37.000 And I had Caleb Hanna from West Virginia, who's going to be the youngest statewide elected official in the country.

00:06:44.000 Wow.

00:06:45.000 And these people are, there are folks that have actually won elections, right?

00:06:49.000 Like they've been through the fire.

00:06:50.000 They've, you know, they don't have 10,000 followers on Twitter.

00:06:54.000 They've gotten tens of thousands of votes in their respective districts.

00:06:58.000 And so you would think those are the folks that you would want to point out to help actually lead this committee, be spokespeople for that.

00:07:05.000 But they were choosing 17, 18-year-olds that, in my opinion, it was probably either their parents or grandparents' money that really got them on to that committee and not the people that have actually been in the trenches, knocked on doors, worked with the grassroots to make sure to actually turn people out for their own elections.

00:07:23.000 And so that's what made me really disappointed and discouraged overall, you know, with this is that we had some folks that had incredible knowledge on actually how to turn out vote from somebody that's actually a youth elected official and they didn't utilize that.

00:07:42.000 And so that's where we're going to spend our time with groups like yourself that do have a clear plan in place to be able to not only win the next election, but also engage those youth voters that we need.

00:07:55.000 It's a smart point you made, Joe.

00:07:57.000 So I want you to dive deeper into that.

00:07:59.000 That, look, these are folks that have actually won elections in Gen Z. They're like 23, 24, 25, maybe even younger.

00:08:05.000 They've done the tough work.

00:08:06.000 And it's not just all about, you know, again, social media chatter.

00:08:10.000 And it's a bad trend, right?

00:08:11.000 I want to be clear.

00:08:12.000 I'm all for social media.

00:08:13.000 We have a great following.

00:08:14.000 Praise God.

00:08:15.000 But that wasn't the case at the beginning, right?

00:08:16.000 It was years and years of where we were doing tough work, knocking on doors, trying to make a name for ourselves.

00:08:22.000 You cut your teeth, $100,000 in the Sarbusa Chicago.

00:08:22.000 You know what it's like.

00:08:25.000 And I'm afraid that there's some of these young, and I say this all the time to our turning point kids, like there's too much glitz and glam with the TikTok and the Instagram thing.

00:08:32.000 You got to get out in the streets and actually earn votes.

00:08:34.000 So contrast that even further, there was this group, the five people that resigned.

00:08:37.000 They're winners.

00:08:38.000 They don't just get retweets.

00:08:38.000 They won election.

00:08:40.000 Talk more about that.

00:08:41.000 Yeah.

00:08:41.000 So that's where it was coming from is if you look at the 16-member board, which if you guys ever created something like this, don't have 16 members because it's just too many people.

00:08:52.000 And that creates it, you know, makes it bureaucratic.

00:08:55.000 You know, but they had 16 members on this thing.

00:08:57.000 And a third of us were actually folks that had been elected or are currently elected.

00:09:02.000 And that means that these folks had went out, they've formed coalitions with grassroots folks, you know, with people like Turning Point USA, with, you know, Moms for America, you know, these different groups that they've worked with.

00:09:14.000 They've went out, they've knocked on doors, they've talked to voters about what those issues are, but they've also worked with other young people that have helped them with their raise and know how to get the turnout on, you know, college campuses, for instance, and how to work with these other youth groups to be able to get that turnout out.

00:09:31.000 So that was the thing is my folks were frustrated.

00:09:34.000 They weren't asked to have a bigger role and actually put out metrics and goals to be able to lead this council.

00:09:44.000 And they relied on these people that literally one of them, 17 years old, God bless him.

00:09:50.000 Charlie, me and you were involved in this at 17 as well, but they haven't actually done anything of substance and they're the spokesperson for this.

00:10:00.000 I went to several different RNC donor meetings and I was messaging Tyler about this at the time.

00:10:06.000 I was like, they're having these donor meetings and they're not going to ask one single elected official from the committee to actually come and speak at the donor meetings, like the people with credentials.

00:10:16.000 Like it just, it was baffling to me, you know, the approach they had, you know, towards this and the lack of, you know, really the mismanagement of relationships from that side of things as well, to not want to have the people that actually have the knowledge on how to win elections that would be speaking to your donors that would actually be participating and be the spokespeople for this, you know, youth advisory council.

00:10:40.000 Look, it's not as surprising.

00:10:42.000 And I'm all for kids getting involved, 14, 15, 16.

00:10:44.000 And I know who you're talking about.

00:10:45.000 These are good kids, right?

00:10:46.000 And they're involved in all this, but you got to do grassroots work first.

00:10:49.000 That's what I'm going to say.

00:10:50.000 You got to do grassroots work first.

00:10:51.000 You have to be a door knocker, precinct committeeman.

00:10:54.000 That's where I cut my teeth.

00:10:55.000 I cut my teeth when I was 14 years old, knocking on doors for Congressman Mark Kirk, for Congressman Bob Dold.

00:11:01.000 You can go, I mean, you can go to Bob Dold, Dold of the D, not an E. Like, remember Charlie Kirk, the intern, right?

00:11:06.000 $100,000 doors, right?

00:11:07.000 Tons of phone calls.

00:11:08.000 Anyone in Chicago would tell you, and you learn a lot.

00:11:11.000 And by the way, you have to start that way.

00:11:13.000 And praise God, I didn't start on TikTok or Twitter or all this nonsense, right?

00:11:17.000 You build up from the grassroots.

00:11:19.000 I think it's important.

00:11:19.000 Again, I don't want to ever bemoan a 17-year-old getting involved.

00:11:23.000 God bless some great kids.

00:11:24.000 I know some of them.

00:11:25.000 But I'm going to say, guys, for every time you do a tweet, you should knock on 10 doors and then you can like, you got to work yourself up.

00:11:31.000 I'm all for kids getting involved.

00:11:32.000 Praise God.

00:11:33.000 I don't want to punch down on them, but you got to do the grassroots work first.

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00:12:57.000 Joe Mitchell continues us.

00:12:58.000 Sorry, Joe, I cut you off.

00:13:00.000 Finish your thought there.

00:13:02.000 No, no worries.

00:13:03.000 You know, I will say this last thing again: you know, about, you know, if you're 17 years old, you're 16, 15, I'm not saying that you shouldn't be involved with what you do.

00:13:12.000 You should absolutely be involved.

00:13:14.000 That was a leadership thing from Rana, where she should have known, okay, we're going to put the co-chairs as people that, you know, have more of these credentials.

00:13:23.000 So that was kind of my last thought on this on the last segment.

00:13:27.000 But absolutely, Charlie, we need people to start as young as possible.

00:13:32.000 We want them to be involved on these sports.

00:13:33.000 It's just, you know, you know from experience that she does not know how to pick the right leaders to lead these initiatives and how to work with the right folks.

00:13:43.000 No, and look, and this is in this article, this Fox News article, they attack Turning Point by name.

00:13:47.000 The RNC attacks Turning Point by name instead of defending their record.

00:13:50.000 And this is, we're used to this, right?

00:13:51.000 So I just want everyone in the audience to know this: is that when people send money to the RNC, they are spending their time, their energy, and their attention on attacking grassroots groups, Turning Point USA, Turning Point Action.

00:14:04.000 And by the way, I think you're coming this weekend, right, Joe, to Amfest.

00:14:07.000 We're going to have 12,000 people.

00:14:08.000 Correct.

00:14:08.000 That's what the RNC is attacking.

00:14:10.000 The RNC is attacking the thousands of students that we're scholarshiping to have a life-changing weekend.

00:14:14.000 They're attacking the pastors that we're gathering.

00:14:17.000 They're attacking Blexit.

00:14:18.000 The RNC is attacking Turning Point Academy.

00:14:20.000 That's what they're focused on.

00:14:21.000 And yes, we fight back because we play to win and we're going to finish the fight.

00:14:24.000 Okay.

00:14:25.000 We're not just going to roll over like Mitt Romney, you know, Rana's uncle, and just say, oh, you know, she's got to resign.

00:14:31.000 So, so, Joe, there's a final thing here.

00:14:33.000 Gen Z, really important.

00:14:35.000 Let's just take the RNC out of the picture. 0.79

00:14:37.000 Okay, what needs to be done, you know, technically and a messaging standpoint to win over younger voters and also get younger people in elected office.

00:14:45.000 And then also just riff on your story.

00:14:47.000 You were one of the youngest elected people in the country in Iowa.

00:14:50.000 You actually won elections.

00:14:51.000 You didn't just send out tweets.

00:14:52.000 In fact, you won more elections than Rana.

00:14:55.000 Tell us about it.

00:14:56.000 Yeah.

00:14:56.000 So, you know, Charlie, I ran for the state house when I was 20 years old.

00:14:59.000 That's when I officially filed to run for the House of Representatives here in Iowa.

00:15:05.000 And, you know, I was a junior in college at the time, you know, had worked, you know, in several different capacities and internships at the Capitol.

00:15:13.000 But, you know, when my state representative of 24 years had decided to retire, you know, I had had to make a decision.

00:15:19.000 You know, was this my time to run or not?

00:15:22.000 And ultimately, it came down to there's never a perfect time to run for office.

00:15:27.000 And I threw my hat in the ring.

00:15:28.000 And, you know, I knocked on thousands of doors across my district.

00:15:31.000 I had a four-way primary, incredibly tough primary.

00:15:34.000 And I won by 100 votes in June of 2018, went on to the general election in November of 2018 and won against my Democrat opponent.

00:15:44.000 Graduated college the next month and got sworn into the Iowa House the following month as the youngest member ever.

00:15:50.000 And really, what I learned from that is that if you go out, you do the hard work and you work with the grassroots advocates and supporters in your county, your near districts, they will help you.

00:16:03.000 And they will show up for you to vote if you show up for them.

00:16:06.000 And so that's exactly what I took with my story.

00:16:09.000 And we created Run Gen Z, which is the organization I founded back in 2020 to help empower, recruit, and mentor the next generation of conservative leaders across this country to run for office.

00:16:21.000 Because I believe if we have young conservatives that are elected to office with a platform, we can reach more young voters.

00:16:27.000 And we have to prop these folks up.

00:16:29.000 And that's exactly who is on this youth advisory committee I had.

00:16:32.000 Caroline Harris, the youngest female ever elected as a Republican to the Texas state legislature.

00:16:38.000 Maisie Boyd, the youngest female legislator in Missouri.

00:16:41.000 Kayla Panna, the youngest African-American ever elected to a state office in American history.

00:16:47.000 These are the kind of folks that we're getting elected that are standing up for the truth.

00:16:52.000 They're standing up for America first policies.

00:16:54.000 And we have to make sure that more people are running for office, running for precinct committeemen and committee women.

00:17:01.000 They're running for the RNC committee woman and committee man spots, but also running for elected office on the local level, on the state level, and the federal level.

00:17:10.000 And that's what we're here to do.

00:17:11.000 And so folks can go to our website at rungenz.com if they're interested in running for office or supporting us.

00:17:18.000 But we work hand in hand with you guys, Charlie, and you know that.

00:17:21.000 Turn up an action.

00:17:22.000 We love it.

00:17:23.000 We're all in.

00:17:24.000 And Joe, we want to help you grow.

00:17:25.000 You're going to be at Amfest.

00:17:27.000 Anyone's coming to Amfest, come say hi to Joe.

00:17:29.000 Run Gen Z, 100% behind it. 1.00

00:17:30.000 It's grassroots, metric-driven by the ages of the people who resigned from this RNC council 24, 25, 30, 26, 28.

00:17:37.000 Office holders.

00:17:39.000 By the way, if the RNC is turning off people like you, this is multi-generational.

00:17:43.000 I hope all of you that are mad with the RNC, you see that we're doing our part to hold them accountable too.

00:17:47.000 Joe, we're out of time.

00:17:48.000 God bless you, man.

00:17:49.000 Thank you.

00:17:49.000 Hey, Charlie, thank you.

00:17:50.000 See you this weekend.

00:17:51.000 Tucker Carlson last evening said the following: quote: The RNC is like NATO.

00:17:55.000 It has no reason for being, it only consumes resources, says annoying things, and breaks things.

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00:19:06.000 Joining us now is Professor Dershowitz, always a treat.

00:19:08.000 Professor, congratulations on yet another new book.

00:19:11.000 I know today is the publication date.

00:19:13.000 Tell our audience all about it.

00:19:15.000 Well, it's a book I started writing on October 7th.

00:19:19.000 As soon as I heard about the disaster, and I finished it in 32 days, and it may break the Guinness Book of Records for the fastest book ever published, but it deals with everything that has gone on.

00:19:32.000 It deals with October 6th, why there wasn't sufficient preparation, intelligence.

00:19:36.000 Obviously, the events of the 7th, but more importantly, the events of the 8th, when radical hard leftists started to attack Israel, even before Israel sent a single soldier into Gaza, they were attacked.

00:19:48.000 The rapes were blamed on Israel.

00:19:50.000 The National Lawyers Guild said, hey, what Hamas did was military and it was fine and it was great and they applauded it. 1.00

00:19:57.000 Women's groups remain totally silent about rapes.

00:20:01.000 Me too, but not including it if you're a Jew. 1.00

00:20:04.000 And so the book covers all of these and it's readable and you can get it on Amazon.

00:20:10.000 So I hope people will read it.

00:20:11.000 Everyone should check it out.

00:20:12.000 It's how to end Hamas Barbarism is also part of it, but war against the Jews. 0.90

00:20:17.000 So, Professor, part of the war against the Jews is happening domestically.

00:20:22.000 And I just can't wait to get your thoughts on this.

00:20:24.000 Thanks to Congresswoman Elise Stefanik's cross-examination, her questioning at the hearing on anti-Semitism, we have seen a historic eruption of donors and alumni holding MIT, Harvard, and Penn accountable.

00:20:40.000 For those that don't know, we're getting the clip.

00:20:41.000 Elise Stefanik asked a rather simple question about if somebody calls for the genocide of a group of people, does that go against Harvard speech policy?

00:20:51.000 And they said, well, it's context specific.

00:20:53.000 Professor, what was your reaction when you saw that dialogue between Congresswoman Stefanik and the university presidents?

00:21:01.000 I wasn't at all surprised.

00:21:03.000 President Gay has been the worst president in modern Harvard history. 0.62

00:21:08.000 She has been in charge of making the school safe from conservatives, safe from opposing points of view. 0.97

00:21:16.000 She's been totally opposed to free speech, due process, and civil liberties.

00:21:20.000 And suddenly on October 7th, she discovered the First Amendment.

00:21:24.000 Ah, the First Amendment, it protects anti-Semites who want to commit genocide against Jews. 0.93

00:21:31.000 It doesn't protect people who want to commit microaggressions against blacks or against transgender people or against gays. 0.96

00:21:40.000 No, no, no. 0.88

00:21:41.000 They have no free speech.

00:21:44.000 They can be prevented.

00:21:46.000 Students have gotten admissions to Harvard rescinded because they said something that could offend an African-American.

00:21:54.000 Lectures have been canceled.

00:21:56.000 So when she testified under oath that Harvard is committed to free principle, she was not telling the truth.

00:22:04.000 And also the lack of moral clarity on one of the easiest questions ever to answer.

00:22:04.000 Not at all.

00:22:09.000 I mean, if you're in a leadership position and the word genocide comes up, that's not context specific.

00:22:14.000 Now, Professor, I want to ask you, because I think you're uniquely positioned to help us navigate this.

00:22:19.000 This last weekend, I spent time with some major supporters of Israel, and they're so troubled by what happened, obviously, on October 7th, as they should be.

00:22:29.000 And they're equally as troubled as what's happening as the universities.

00:22:32.000 And it was a dinner party.

00:22:33.000 And one of these amazing, amazingly brilliant Jewish Americans said, it's time for us to prevent hate speech at Harvard, hate speech at Penn.

00:22:42.000 Do you think that is the proper reaction, Professor?

00:22:45.000 Because you can understand where they're coming from.

00:22:48.000 Tell us your thoughts.

00:22:50.000 I don't think hate speech is definable.

00:22:50.000 I don't.

00:22:53.000 What is hate speech to you is love speech to somebody else.

00:22:57.000 And I don't think we should be banning speech on college campuses.

00:23:00.000 Let anybody say whatever they want and let it be answered in the marketplace of ideas.

00:23:06.000 The problem with Harvard, Penn, MIT, and other places is, for example, I can't speak at Harvard in favor of the two-state solution for Israel.

00:23:14.000 I was probably their most well-known professor when I retired 10 years ago.

00:23:18.000 I have never been invited back to speak on Israel.

00:23:20.000 I've tried.

00:23:22.000 A small group invited me, but they made me speak off campus for fear that my physical safety would be affected.

00:23:28.000 I can't speak at the college I went to, Brooklyn College.

00:23:31.000 I can't speak at Yale Law School.

00:23:34.000 Nobody wants to hear one side of the issue.

00:23:37.000 They're all happy to hear the other side of the issue.

00:23:40.000 So I'm not in favor of restrictions on free speech.

00:23:43.000 I would rather have an open dialogue.

00:23:47.000 But if you're going to have restrictions, they can't be applied unequally.

00:23:52.000 You can't say that you can say things about Jews that you can't say about blacks, or you can't hide it behind anti-Zionism. 0.69

00:23:59.000 Oh, we're not anti-Semitic. 0.56

00:24:01.000 We just think the only nation state of the Jewish people off the face of the earth, Palestine should be free of Jews from the river to the sea. 1.00

00:24:10.000 It should be cleaned of dirty Jews. 1.00

00:24:12.000 No, no, you know, that's unacceptable. 0.99

00:24:15.000 But if you're going to have total free speech, I'm in favor of that.

00:24:19.000 That's my first choice.

00:24:20.000 But my second choice is: if you're going to have restrictions on free speech, it has to be applied equally.

00:24:26.000 Harvard failed both of those tests.

00:24:28.000 So, Professor, let's take that one example because I got in this debate the other day and I could see on both sides.

00:24:33.000 I'm actually undecided.

00:24:36.000 Is a protester on the street, you know, at Harvard saying from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, is that call for a genocide?

00:24:44.000 Well, I think that's the way many students would perceive it.

00:24:47.000 I would perceive it that way.

00:24:48.000 I think it does call for genocide, but I wouldn't ban it.

00:24:53.000 I wouldn't ban it as long as you didn't ban anything else.

00:24:55.000 The one thing that's intolerable, intolerable, is to rescind admissions because a student said something that might be interpreted negatively.

00:25:04.000 Or the president, the previous president of Harvard two, three ago, Larry Summers gets fired because he raised questions at a meeting about the possibility that gender may influence the ability in math and science.

00:25:18.000 That's a debatable issue.

00:25:20.000 For that, he gets fired.

00:25:21.000 But Harvard says, no, no, no, we can't prosecute or fire or even discipline somebody who says, let's commit genocide against the Jews.

00:25:31.000 It's the double standard that smells and that she, President Gay, has been in charge of. 0.94

00:25:38.000 Remember, she is a big advocate of DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion.

00:25:44.000 Diversity means only skin deep diversity.

00:25:47.000 3% of Harvard professors identify as conservatives.

00:25:51.000 3%, that's diversity.

00:25:53.000 Equity is the opposite of equality.

00:25:55.000 It's now a micro-aggression.

00:25:57.000 If you quote Martin Luther King, I dream of the day when my children will be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of that character.

00:26:04.000 And inclusion expressly excludes Jews.

00:26:07.000 So that's been the reason for her rise.

00:26:10.000 That's why she became the dean of the faculty.

00:26:13.000 That's why she became the president of Harvard.

00:26:15.000 She is tied together with the DEA DEI, which has been the bane of intellectualism at universities.

00:26:25.000 And not only should she have been fired and still should resign, but DEI has to be dismantled.

00:26:32.000 It's destroying education.

00:26:34.000 It's turning people against each other because it's all based on what's called intersectionality.

00:26:39.000 There are only two groups in society: the oppressed and the oppressors. 0.91

00:26:42.000 Jews, white people, Israel are the oppressors. 1.00

00:26:45.000 Gay people, Palestinians are the oppressed. 1.00

00:26:49.000 The oppressed can do no wrong. 0.99

00:26:51.000 The oppressors can do no right.

00:26:52.000 That's Harvard.

00:26:54.000 So then, Professor, just to get a little bit specific, but I want to make sure some understand because some people, we get some emails or some people would say, but what about if Jewish students feel unsafe based on some of the protests or the chanting?

00:27:08.000 Do we have to censor speech based on the feelings of a recipient?

00:27:12.000 That's where it starts to get a little bit murky or unclear, right?

00:27:15.000 Okay, no, please tell us.

00:27:16.000 Yeah.

00:27:17.000 So I think when you come to college, when you come to law school, when you go to university, you have to develop a thick skin.

00:27:23.000 I used to teach a seminar in which I told my students: if you want to feel good at the end of the class, there's a very good massage place down the block.

00:27:33.000 You can, if you want your most sacred views to be challenged, if you want to go out of this class sweating and upset and concerned, this is my class.

00:27:44.000 I don't think any idea should be safe.

00:27:46.000 I don't think students should feel safe.

00:27:48.000 They should feel safe from physical attacks, but not from attacks on their religion, on their politics, on their ideology, on anything else.

00:27:58.000 Ideas are not safe at universities.

00:28:00.000 No student has the right to be safe.

00:28:02.000 So chant all you want.

00:28:04.000 Just don't intimidate and don't hassle people and don't push them to the floor, is what happened at Harvard, and don't block them from entering classes and don't shout other people up.

00:28:16.000 For example, the National Lawyers Guild all over the country, it has law school branches all over the country.

00:28:22.000 Its goal is to silence conservative speakers.

00:28:25.000 It shouts them down.

00:28:27.000 That's wrong.

00:28:29.000 But you can't have a rule that applies only to some groups and not to other groups.

00:28:33.000 That's been the biggest failing that Harvard has had. 1.00

00:28:36.000 And that's the biggest failing of the women's movement today. 1.00

00:28:39.000 The women's movement today says, me too, except if you're a Jew. 0.63

00:28:44.000 Me too, believe women, except if you're an Israeli. 0.98

00:28:48.000 Almost no feminist groups have spoken up today against the rapes, the mutilations, the sexual assaults that not only occurred, but probably are still occurring among the hostages.

00:29:01.000 You can't get it because in today's world, it's all left or right.

00:29:05.000 If it's left, it has to be right.

00:29:07.000 And if it's right, it has to be wrong.

00:29:09.000 And that's what universities have become.

00:29:12.000 And President Gay is the symbol of all that. 0.98

00:29:15.000 And that's why it was so important for the future of Harvard for her to be replaced, but it hasn't happened.

00:29:22.000 And Harvard will continue to sink down.

00:29:24.000 Harvard ranked last among every university on free speech.

00:29:28.000 And she has the chutzpah to get up in front of Congress and under oath say, we at Harvard believe in free expression.

00:29:35.000 No, you don't.

00:29:36.000 You believe in censorship, cancel culture, wokeness, and progressive repression.

00:29:42.000 That's what you believe in.

00:29:43.000 That's what Harvard has come to stand for.

00:29:45.000 That's important.

00:29:46.000 The reputation for Harvard graduates means a lot.

00:29:49.000 Do you really see in elite society how people view Harvard is changing in real time?

00:29:55.000 Well, I hope not about the students.

00:29:57.000 The students are great.

00:29:59.000 I'm not sure that students come out of Harvard with a lot more knowledge that they went in.

00:30:05.000 The most important part of Harvard is the admissions process.

00:30:08.000 We take very smart people and hopefully we turn them out a little smarter.

00:30:12.000 I'm not so sure about the latter.

00:30:15.000 The educational process is broken down.

00:30:18.000 What was it, 90-something percent of all students now at Harvard and Yale get A's in every course?

00:30:23.000 I mean, when I went to law school, C was the average grade.

00:30:26.000 You had to struggle for a B, and you were, if you got an A, my God, you were a genius.

00:30:30.000 But today, everybody gets an A. Everybody gets a truck up.

00:30:34.000 And so the educational value of a Harvard degree has been substantially diminished over time.

00:30:41.000 Not so much in STEM, not so much in science, technology, engineering, and math, but very much so in political science, history.

00:30:49.000 A lot of those courses are propaganda, not learning.

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00:31:45.000 Professor, it's impressive that you've been able to write this book, War Against the Jews: How to End Hamas's Barbarism. 0.93

00:31:51.000 Walk our audience through how do we end the barbarism of Hamas? 0.93

00:31:55.000 And do you think we are getting closer to that end day by day as the IDF goes through Gaza?

00:32:04.000 Well, it's very difficult.

00:32:06.000 Just today, 10 Israeli soldiers, including a commander, was killed because Israel chose not to bomb because they didn't want to kill civilians.

00:32:14.000 And yet they're accused of genocide by people on the extreme left.

00:32:19.000 Israel takes more concern for not killing civilians than anybody else, even putting their own soldiers at risk.

00:32:26.000 10 of them died today, who could have been saved if they had just dropped a bomb on the building instead of going in and getting ambushed.

00:32:34.000 So I don't know whether we're closer or not.

00:32:37.000 I hope President Biden doesn't start putting restrictions on Israel because the only way to end the barbarity is the way we ended the barbarity in Germany and Japan. 0.96

00:32:47.000 Total victory, unconditional surrender.

00:32:51.000 And then the people will realize that Israel is strong and can help rebuild the way we rebuild Germany and Japan.

00:32:58.000 And maybe we can have peace in the Middle East.

00:33:00.000 But if there is a ceasefire, which is a unilateral surrender, which many in the Democratic Party have called for, that will be simply an invitation for Hamas to read the label on your shampoo, which says, wash, rinse, repeat. 0.57

00:33:16.000 Wash, rinse, repeat.

00:33:18.000 That's what Hamas has been doing for 25 years. 0.97

00:33:20.000 They've been killing Jews, then hoping that the Jews will respond, Israel will respond. 0.99

00:33:26.000 They hide their soldiers, they hide their rockets, they hide their tunnels behind civilians. 0.99

00:33:32.000 Israel responds. 0.62

00:33:33.000 Civilians die. 0.99

00:33:34.000 Hamas holds the children up in front of television, and it's called the dead baby strategy.

00:33:40.000 Hamas knows how to use it, and they'll use it again and again. 0.93

00:33:43.000 They've told us they're going to use it again and again, unless they're as destroyed as the Nazis were destroyed in 1945.

00:33:51.000 So then, let's say in the next month or two, eventually they're going to run out of oxygen and fuel, power, and food in these tunnels.

00:34:00.000 Let's say Hamas does have some form of a surrender, and there are thousands or tens of thousands of prisoners.

00:34:06.000 I know this is the $1 trillion question.

00:34:09.000 It is easy to explain, but difficult to solve.

00:34:13.000 How do we solve this?

00:34:14.000 What is to be made of the nearly 2 million civilians of Gaza?

00:34:18.000 Because the PA has shown time and time again, they're incapable of self-government.

00:34:24.000 And of the 2 million people in Gaza, some 70% supported the atrocities of it's not going to be easy.

00:34:33.000 It has to be done by force and intimidation, not by compromise.

00:34:37.000 Every time Israel is compromised and withdrawn, it has ended up getting victimized again.

00:34:42.000 There has to be total and complete victory with an assurance that it will happen again and again, that Israel will simply not tolerate rockets.

00:34:51.000 My cousin is the chief rabbi of Stay Rote.

00:34:55.000 They get, what, 20 rockets a day?

00:34:58.000 He buried nine of his congregants after October 7th.

00:35:03.000 That just cannot be allowed to exist.

00:35:05.000 We're not talking about occupied territory here.

00:35:08.000 We're talking about the heart and soul of Israel, the Kiev Sim, that have been part of Israel since 1948.

00:35:14.000 There's no occupied territory there.

00:35:16.000 And Gaza could have been Singapore and the Mediterranean. 0.68

00:35:20.000 The occupation ended 2005, 2006, 2007.

00:35:24.000 Hamas took over in a bloody coup and turned it into what it is today. 0.85

00:35:29.000 Israel had no responsibility for that.

00:35:31.000 You know, they say it's an open-air prison.

00:35:33.000 If it's an open-air prison, the guards are Hamas.

00:35:37.000 The people maybe limiting access to the prison are Israelis to make sure that there's no breakout.

00:35:44.000 But the people responsible for the conditions in Gaza are Hamas. 0.66

00:35:50.000 And the best favor Israel could do to the 2 million residents of Gaza is to destroy Hamas. 0.57

00:35:56.000 And then perhaps it will democratically elect leaders who will want to do what happened in Germany.

00:36:01.000 Rebuild the country, the Marshall Plan, Japan, rebuild the country.

00:36:05.000 This is the issue.

00:36:06.000 And Professor, you hit on it.

00:36:08.000 What is Hamas?

00:36:09.000 Is Hamas the fighting-age males in the tunnels?

00:36:12.000 Or is Hamas 70% of the people in Gaza?

00:36:15.000 That's the question.

00:36:16.000 It's 70% of the people in Gaza now, but that can change.

00:36:20.000 It was 70% of the people in Nazi Germany were Nazis and voted for Nazis and supported Hitler.

00:36:27.000 But that changed.

00:36:28.000 And it can change.

00:36:30.000 The hearts and minds of people can be changed, but by, in this case, only by force, total victory, and total surrender.

00:36:38.000 That's the only alternative.

00:36:40.000 Then you can move toward a two-state solution or other solutions that will allow people to live in peace.

00:36:46.000 But with Hamas in existence, there can be no peace. 0.92

00:36:49.000 Congratulations to your book, War Against the Jews, How to End Hamas Barbarism. 0.73

00:36:53.000 Hamas in Hebrew means violence, discord.

00:36:56.000 So it's the perfect title for that evil group of people.

00:36:59.000 Professor, great job.

00:37:00.000 Thanks so much.

00:37:00.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:37:01.000 Everybody, email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:05.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 14, 2023

The Youth Revolt at the RNC

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