The Charlie Kirk Show - January 14, 2026


Therapy, Grievance Culture, The Web: What's Melting the Left's Brains?


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It's a new year, but the same old tactics are being deployed in the streets of American cities to battle deportations, mass deporting, and mass ICE raids. What are the real motivations behind the leftist "activists"? What are they actually up to? And who are they fighting for?

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00:01:09.000 All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000 It's January 14th, 2026.
00:01:14.000 It's a new year, but the same old tactics are being deployed in the streets of American cities to battle deportations, mass deportations, something Charlie cared a lot about, something we at the show continue to care a lot about.
00:01:26.000 I believe that deportations and immigration is the single most important issue.
00:01:31.000 There's lots of important issues, but I believe it is the most important issue to fixing the country.
00:01:36.000 It is the switch, when flipped, that could fix a number, if not all the ills that we are currently facing.
00:01:43.000 So, what is happening right now in the streets of Minneapolis?
00:01:47.000 We have a scourge of tyrannical, often white, affluent ladies, leftist ladies, who are now being used as cannon fodder on the front lines of communist front groups attempting to attack and delegitimize ICE operations in Minneapolis, Los Angeles, Portland, beyond, Chicago, New York. 1.00
00:02:07.000 And so, we have to analyze what is actually happening.
00:02:10.000 How are they going about recruiting this whole crop of women? 1.00
00:02:16.000 Often, it's men too, be fair, but it is often women, often childless women, often white women that are putting their bodies on the line to impede, obstruct, harass, harangue, and attack law enforcement personnel in the streets of America's cities. 1.00
00:02:33.000 So, Blake, the question then is, what is an awful?
00:02:36.000 I want to start with our base operating language here so that everybody's on the same page.
00:02:42.000 So, an awful is this is a slang term.
00:02:45.000 It's probably about a decade old at this point.
00:02:47.000 Yes.
00:02:48.000 And it's short for affluent white female liberal, A-W-F-L, but you pronounce it awful for, well, pretty clear reasons.
00:02:56.000 Yeah.
00:02:57.000 And it's a type we see over and over again.
00:02:59.000 We're seeing it in these ICE protests, but you saw it a tundering BLM. 0.86
00:03:05.000 Most people probably know an awful or two.
00:03:09.000 And it's contained within that.
00:03:10.000 So affluent white female liberal. 1.00
00:03:12.000 It's generally, they don't need to be ultra-rich, but generally at least middle-class, reasonably secure.
00:03:18.000 They're very much the stereotypical, intense, you know, put up in this house, we believe, signs.
00:03:26.000 Yes.
00:03:27.000 But they do it usually within a pretty strong cocoon of security.
00:03:32.000 So, you know, we'll put like immigrants welcome in their neighborhood that has a pretty low immigrant population.
00:03:38.000 It's mostly white.
00:03:39.000 That's very secluded from America.
00:03:41.000 They still live in a neighborhood that looks like it's 1958.
00:03:44.000 They will really hate on police and then live in a suburb that's very far away from anywhere that the police are really needed that much.
00:03:52.000 Correct.
00:03:53.000 Very militant about, you know, probably spend a lot of too much time on social media.
00:03:57.000 So they get very whipped up on every cause.
00:03:59.000 They change their profile pic for every new thing, every new thing, every new scandal, every to-do.
00:04:07.000 And they tend to have enough free time to get very involved in activism.
00:04:11.000 So they go to marches.
00:04:13.000 So 10 years ago, they would be, or 15 years ago, they would be marching for gay rights.
00:04:18.000 10 years ago, they'd be getting whipped up for BLM, anti-Trump.
00:04:23.000 And today, now they're going around saying that ICE is the Gestapo.
00:04:27.000 Yeah, Nazis, they're referring to themselves as the French Resistance.
00:04:30.000 Viva la Restance, which the French Resistance obviously was fighting the Nazis.
00:04:34.000 So this is an MSNBC, now MSN, MSNOW reporter referring to them as this.
00:04:41.000 But they are organized.
00:04:42.000 They are being trained.
00:04:44.000 They are being dispatched in a coordinated effort to harass, harangue, attack ICE officers.
00:04:51.000 They are convinced that they are freedom fighters, that this is the modern day, noble, virtuous cause that they have become wrapped up in for righteous reasons.
00:05:03.000 And it's incredible the number of people that they can convince that this is in fact true.
00:05:10.000 And what's wild is you have black women like Joy Reed encouraging white women to put their bodies on the line, their white bodies on the line. 1.00
00:05:19.000 Plague cut 316. 0.93
00:05:20.000 This woman was part of a group of people who they train to try to be ICE interrupters. 1.00
00:05:25.000 And what they try to do is observe what ICE is doing, film them, and try to use their white privilege, to be honest.
00:05:32.000 They're mainly white people.
00:05:34.000 Which is what we ask, which is what we ask them to do, right?
00:05:36.000 Yeah. 0.98
00:05:37.000 Because black people, like, we can't get on, we can't put our bodies on the line because cops will shoot us. 0.97
00:05:41.000 And so the presumption had been, particularly a white woman, because remember, part of the rationale for doing this with ICE is to save white women, pristine white women, from being ravaged by, you know, criminal brown men. 0.96
00:05:53.000 So they, white women, have been taking the lead. 1.00
00:05:57.000 Gosh, the race lady, Joy Reed, she continues to haunt us from beyond cable news and the nightly broadcast. 1.00
00:06:04.000 But why this is important, Blake, is because they are actually encouraging real crazy people to...
00:06:12.000 And I believe this is the entire game, is they're going to say all these crazy things.
00:06:16.000 You've got Jacob Frey saying, get out.
00:06:17.000 You're not welcome here.
00:06:18.000 You're going to have everybody comparing them to Gestapo and Nazis and all of this. 0.90
00:06:22.000 And then you're going to have actual crazy people.
00:06:25.000 You shake the tree long enough. 0.85
00:06:26.000 Some are going to fall out and do crazy stuff that actually are advocating for killing, shooting, ramming, running over ICE agents.
00:06:33.000 327. 0.98
00:06:34.000 Shame on them because we're going to run right over them, aren't we? 0.99
00:06:39.000 We are rape and we're going to stand up and we're going to fight like hell. 0.99
00:06:43.000 Let me see the day.
00:06:45.000 Are you ready to fight?
00:06:46.000 Yay! 0.99
00:06:47.000 Are you ready to fight?
00:06:49.000 Completely deranged, off their rocker, off their meds.
00:06:52.000 There's more examples.
00:06:54.000 So chanting is besides the point.
00:06:56.000 There was a reporter from the free press who has been in Minneapolis and talking to people.
00:07:00.000 And he spoke with ICE agents who say that they're having, put up a 347 there.
00:07:05.000 He says that these protesters are loosening lug nuts on their car, on their cars, like when they're in parking lots.
00:07:12.000 They're tracking federal vehicles using air tags.
00:07:16.000 They use whistles to kind of stalk them and just like blow them constantly to be like, ICE is here.
00:07:21.000 It's like a constant attempt at harassment of law enforcement, hindrance of law enforcement.
00:07:26.000 And of course, we see them blocking roads, ramming attacks on cars.
00:07:30.000 And the most extreme outcomes, which I don't think awful, are going to do this, but this is going to be the Tyler Robinson types.
00:07:37.000 There's going to be someone who's whipped up about this.
00:07:38.000 They've read too many posts on Blue Sky, seen too many TikToks, and they're mentally unwell. 1.00
00:07:43.000 And they're going to take a rifle and shoot these guys. 1.00
00:07:46.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:07:47.000 And I don't think you can, frankly, when you just, you can go on Blue Sky and find people saying, shoot ICE on site.
00:07:56.000 They are literal Gestapo agents. 0.53
00:07:58.000 That's from someone calling herself Lady Rain.
00:08:01.000 She, her, has an anime avatar.
00:08:03.000 That might be a biological male.
00:08:05.000 And we have this 338 through 341.
00:08:07.000 Just roll through some of these.
00:08:08.000 Literally, just organize and shoot ICE on site. 0.96
00:08:12.000 They are literal Gestapo agents. 0.98
00:08:14.000 Go to the next one.
00:08:15.000 I'm sorry, Alliance Against Gun Violence, but with the recent ICE murder and shootings, I think police organizations across the country should have every officer shoot ICE agents on site.
00:08:29.000 I've seen way too many vids of ICE Nazis brutalizing us, murdering us.
00:08:34.000 It would not surprise me to see Americans randomly shoot ICE Nazis on site in an effort of self-protection, survival.
00:08:43.000 Yeah, I mean, and here we go.
00:08:44.000 There's another example.
00:08:46.000 328.
00:08:47.000 This is a TikTok leftist saying the big lesson from Minneapolis is that you got to get your car worked on so you can drive faster over an ICE agent.
00:08:55.000 328.
00:08:56.000 All we're learning from this is that you should hit the gas.
00:08:59.000 If they're, you should. 0.99
00:09:00.000 You should run them over. 1.00
00:09:01.000 You should run them over with your car and you should do it quickly before they can shoot you. 1.00
00:09:06.000 I have to go to my mechanic. 0.69
00:09:07.000 I have to get my car fixed so that I can drive faster just in case.
00:09:10.000 This is insane. 0.99
00:09:13.000 You should hit them. 1.00
00:09:14.000 You should hit them. 1.00
00:09:15.000 They will say you hit them anyway. 1.00
00:09:17.000 You should hit them with your car. 0.94
00:09:19.000 The best way to not have a bad interaction with ICE is to just let ICE do the job. 0.97
00:09:25.000 Better yet, let ICE go to jails to arrest people to the illegals who wind up there. 0.98
00:09:32.000 Go to prisons to arrest the illegals who wind up there. 1.00
00:09:35.000 Go to court to arrest the illegals who wind up there. 1.00
00:09:37.000 Well, now we're going to...
00:09:38.000 And then you don't need to do raids in random neighborhoods.
00:09:40.000 Well, and I want to talk about this because Joe Rogan has gotten into the fray basically saying that these raids are too extreme.
00:09:46.000 They're too brutal.
00:09:48.000 And I couldn't disagree more with Joe Rogan.
00:09:52.000 And to Blake's point, if Minneapolis wants raids and wants street raids and, you know, abductions or apprehensions on the streets to stop, then maybe they should coordinate with ICE.
00:10:02.000 Maybe they should coordinate with DHS when they actually pull somebody over, arrest them, put them in jail.
00:10:08.000 You could do that securely, safely, but they were refusing to do that.
00:10:11.000 They would rather release the criminals back onto the streets of Minneapolis.
00:10:14.000 And that's what these women are fighting for. 1.00
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00:10:58.000 Blake, you had a clip that you wanted to throw to.
00:11:01.000 Yes, so we were just, we were showing all of the escalating insane rhetoric, but this one is really, really deranged.
00:11:08.000 And it's a good example of social media just makes people feel people can run their mouths in ways that I don't think they did before.
00:11:16.000 Let's play clip 344. 0.59
00:11:19.000 I don't really care about the consequences anymore.
00:11:21.000 I don't care. 1.00
00:11:22.000 We need to kill these people. 0.99
00:11:23.000 We've had three people die in 72 hours, and we've had almost 30 die since the last year to a group of quote-unquote law enforcement that is basically just buffed up mall cops, right? 1.00
00:11:38.000 Who are gun-triggering, happy, proud boys.
00:11:40.000 Let's call them what they are.
00:11:41.000 It's the proud boys.
00:11:41.000 Why do you think we didn't hear about them?
00:11:43.000 They're Nazis. 0.80
00:11:43.000 Peyton said it best. 0.80
00:11:45.000 They're Nazis. 0.93
00:11:46.000 And the only way to stop this, let's be honest, is going to be to get violent. 0.94
00:11:50.000 We got to get violent, people.
00:11:52.000 And I'm tired of denying it.
00:11:53.000 And I'm tired of y'all being about it.
00:11:55.000 Grow up.
00:11:56.000 We're not going to get through this holding hands.
00:11:59.000 Peaceful protest only works if your enemy has a moral obligation to listen to it.
00:12:04.000 They have none.
00:12:05.000 You guys are sitting there holding up signs and saying, oh, I'm mad at you. 1.00
00:12:12.000 You're pathetic. 1.00
00:12:14.000 Burn something. 1.00
00:12:16.000 Burn something. 1.00
00:12:17.000 Shoot something. 0.99
00:12:18.000 And it's just clear what they want. 0.94
00:12:20.000 There's also this article that happened yesterday in The Daily Beast that had me really angry from a guy, Tom Latcham, in case someone can, I don't know, go harass that guy.
00:12:30.000 It's personal details of thousands of Border Patrol and ICE goons allegedly leaked in huge data breach.
00:12:37.000 That's the headline, ICE goons.
00:12:39.000 And it's all about, there's some foreign website, I believe it's operated out of the Netherlands, and it's called ICE List.
00:12:46.000 And it's literally just like a wiki-style database of every single person who works at DHS that they can get information on.
00:12:53.000 And they get their names, they're getting their phone numbers.
00:12:56.000 They're using that to cross-reference and get their addresses. 0.99
00:12:58.000 The goal is to get as much information as possible about every single person who works with ICE and with the Border Patrol so that someone can watch that video, get all worked up, find the person at ICE who lives closest to them, go there and shoot them in the face.
00:13:14.000 Yeah, and this is really why you're getting at the core of why this is important.
00:13:19.000 I mean, we saw this with Charlie, right? 0.72
00:13:21.000 That the left used dehumanizing language about Charlie's a Nazi, Charlie's a racist, Charlie's a bigot, Charlie's a hater.
00:13:28.000 You know, even Tyler Robinson, there's just some hate you can't negotiate out or something like that, right? 0.85
00:13:33.000 That was a statement.
00:13:34.000 And that's what they're doing here is they're intentionally dehumanizing conservatives.
00:13:38.000 They're intentionally dehumanizing ICE agents, law enforcement personnel, federal personnel, in order to justify their murder, in order to justify doxing them, harassing them, harassing their family, attacking their family.
00:13:51.000 Who knows what these psychos are capable of?
00:13:55.000 And again, I go back to this fact that if these jurisdictions do not want raids, at least at this scale, then they would cooperate with ICE. 0.93
00:14:05.000 They are actually letting out onto the streets murderers, child abusers, child rapists.
00:14:10.000 They are letting them back out on the streets. 0.85
00:14:12.000 And instead of deporting them, they have them all over the country.
00:14:15.000 Now, we're up to about 650,000 deportations, actually above that now.
00:14:20.000 Those are forceful removals from the country.
00:14:23.000 650,000 of them.
00:14:24.000 According to Tom Holman, Borders R. Tom Holman, about 65 to 70% of those are actual criminals that have committed crimes once breaking the law to get in here in the first place, right?
00:14:34.000 So they're all criminals because they got here without us welcoming them or doing it the right way.
00:14:39.000 But then 65 to 70% of the 650,000 that have been deported are actual criminals on the streets.
00:14:45.000 And I have to come for Joe Rogan because he is simply wrong on this issue.
00:14:52.000 Play cut 336.
00:14:53.000 You don't want militarized people in the streets just roaming around snatching people up, many of which turn out to actually be U.S. citizens that just don't have their papers on them.
00:15:03.000 Are we really going to be the Gestapo?
00:15:05.000 Where's your papers?
00:15:06.000 Is that what we've come to?
00:15:08.000 All right, Joe.
00:15:10.000 I'm a fan.
00:15:11.000 Charlie was a fan, an admirer, but you're wrong.
00:15:16.000 Out of the 650,000 forceful deportations, approximately 170 of those apprehensions were temporarily misapprehensions, meaning that they were mistaken identities.
00:15:32.000 They were eventually released.
00:15:33.000 That is a success rate of over 99.9%.
00:15:38.000 To demand 100%, you know, I would say accurate apprehensions to demand 100% accuracy is unreasonable.
00:15:50.000 And a scale of this deportation up.
00:15:53.000 Shows the power of how media narratives frame people.
00:15:56.000 Because how often do you think the police arrest the wrong person in just normal law enforcement?
00:16:03.000 All the time.
00:16:04.000 All the time.
00:16:05.000 Oh, we thought you were involved in this thing.
00:16:07.000 We were mistaken.
00:16:08.000 You have to let them out.
00:16:10.000 We went into some, there was a fight, for example, and we arrested everyone in the fight.
00:16:14.000 And we later deduced actually only some of them were responsible for starting this fight.
00:16:18.000 This happens all the time.
00:16:19.000 Or they round up a bunch of kids and actually only some of those kids were being troublemakers.
00:16:24.000 That happens.
00:16:25.000 Happens all of the time.
00:16:26.000 And frankly, you know, I bet the media could make a gigantic whip people up into a mob about that if they really wanted to.
00:16:34.000 And instead, the focus is endlessly ice, ice, ice, the new Gestapo.
00:16:37.000 Ice, ice, ice.
00:16:38.000 So, in fact, we did this.
00:16:39.000 They did this with police from 2013 through 2020.
00:16:43.000 They whipped people up against police.
00:16:45.000 We got the George Floyd moment.
00:16:46.000 Crime doubled overnight.
00:16:47.000 And then people thought, oh, wait, actually, oh, wait, the police were just, they were lying to us about the police the whole time.
00:16:54.000 And now they're just running the same operation on ICE.
00:16:56.000 And unfortunately, there's just a lot of people.
00:16:58.000 I think Joe Rogan is very symbolic of somewhat less engaged voters, maybe, I'll just say it, like lower information voters.
00:17:06.000 And just they're easily swayed one way or the other by a narrative, especially if it's a novel narrative or something they haven't quite seen before.
00:17:14.000 So I think if they were doing this to normal cops, he would recognize the pattern.
00:17:17.000 But ICE isn't normal cops.
00:17:19.000 It's slightly different.
00:17:20.000 It's a new issue.
00:17:21.000 And it just, it slightly alters their brain.
00:17:23.000 But yeah, they're not going to be 100% effective on these things.
00:17:26.000 Well, listen, a temporary apprehension in the course of 650,000 plus forceful deportations of people that shouldn't be here, 65 to 70% of them are criminals.
00:17:37.000 I'll take that success rate any day.
00:17:39.000 And if you want to know why we're doing this, it's because Joe Biden let in millions of illegals.
00:17:44.000 They started the problem.
00:17:45.000 We're fixing it.
00:17:46.000 Get out of the way. 0.53
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00:18:58.000 I think, Blake, you've done a good job sort of, I think, diagnosing or describing the avatar of a lot of these people that we see, you know, distilling their general traits in culture.
00:19:13.000 Because there are stereotypes for a reason, because they often are true, correct?
00:19:19.000 Now, this doesn't just impact women. 1.00
00:19:21.000 It's not just women that are getting co-opted by these communist front groups to go put their body on the line like cannon fodder to fight ICE or whatever, playing G.I. Jane in the streets. 1.00
00:19:30.000 It is men, too.
00:19:31.000 And help us diagnose actually what's going on here, because I think it's a larger societal illness, a mental illness, genuinely. 0.53
00:19:39.000 We call it Trump Derangement Syndrome, but it's like something even bigger than that. 0.69
00:19:43.000 And it's enveloped in kind of an anti-colonial thing and an anti-Western, anti-white thing.
00:19:49.000 Psychotherapist Jonathan Alpert.
00:19:51.000 He's the author of a book that comes out in May called Therapy Nation.
00:19:55.000 I thought it was pertinent and relevant to our discussion today.
00:19:58.000 Jonathan, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:19:59.000 It's great to have you here.
00:20:01.000 Yeah, thanks for having me, Andrew.
00:20:02.000 I appreciate it.
00:20:03.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:20:04.000 And so you wrote this book, Therapy Nation.
00:20:06.000 You've kind of gone viral a couple times in the beginning of the year and end of last year, talking about some of these, I guess, mental ailments that we see in the social media era, this hyper-online era. 0.97
00:20:19.000 What do you make of these young people, often on the left, that are so motivated by the propaganda that they're willing to go literally ram ICE officers, put their bodies on the line, risk their lives by playing stupid games? 0.89
00:20:34.000 What do you make of it? 0.67
00:20:35.000 Yeah, and you have to really examine how we got to the point where people are willing to cross police lines and put themselves in such a harmful position.
00:20:45.000 And, you know, it's a tragedy what happened in Minnesota, and it shouldn't have happened, but it did.
00:20:51.000 And we have to look at what's going on in people's heads, and we have grievance culture that has just run wild.
00:20:58.000 And if you look at the Louis Gi Mangion case, that's always a good example.
00:21:04.000 You know, you have someone who felt it was his right, his duty to take out this CEO of United Healthcare.
00:21:11.000 There are a million different things he could have done instead of killing this guy.
00:21:16.000 But he chose to do this.
00:21:18.000 And what happens is people villainize a person, an organization, a company, a politician.
00:21:24.000 And then they just feel that it is absolutely their right to take action on it.
00:21:29.000 And we've seen great tragedies as a result of this type of deranged thinking.
00:21:36.000 And you're right.
00:21:37.000 I did write a piece in the Wall Street Journal talking about Trump derangement syndrome.
00:21:41.000 And I made it clear that it's not an actual diagnosis, but what I see in my practice is deeply concerning to me.
00:21:48.000 We have people who are sick.
00:21:51.000 They're staying up at night.
00:21:52.000 They can't sleep at night.
00:21:53.000 They're highly anxious.
00:21:56.000 They feel that they're empowered and they can just take action.
00:21:59.000 And it's a real concern of mine.
00:22:01.000 And the mental health profession, my profession, really needs to take a hard look at what's going on with these people.
00:22:08.000 Yeah, I mean, to me, Jonathan, it feels like these groups, these radical leftist groups, by the way, that we need to root out the funding networks.
00:22:16.000 Treasury's working on that.
00:22:17.000 We're going to have some folks from Treasury soon talking to them about how the progress is going about rooting out the funding networks and the different connections, right?
00:22:26.000 We've got MS ICE Watch that's actually training these agitators and activists on how to disrupt ICE proceedings and ICE operations in cities like Minneapolis and Portland and elsewhere. 0.98
00:22:39.000 But it feels to me that they are being preyed on.
00:22:41.000 These women are being preyed on. 1.00
00:22:42.000 What makes them so vulnerable?
00:22:44.000 And this is men too, to be fair.
00:22:46.000 It's men and women.
00:22:47.000 But what makes them so vulnerable?
00:22:48.000 Because Blake here, who's, I think, defined it really well.
00:22:53.000 A lot of these people are sort of cocooned in communities or backgrounds that were safe, that we're thriving, that we're happy in many ways.
00:23:02.000 And yet they are so alienated from America or so antagonistic to America that they feel like this is some virtuous cause.
00:23:11.000 Why are they vulnerable, Doctor?
00:23:13.000 Yeah, and you're right.
00:23:13.000 It is both men and women and everything in between, of course.
00:23:18.000 And I think part of the problem is social media.
00:23:21.000 It's some media outlets, echo chambers are created, and people are just surrounding themselves with people, like-minded people, and data that's not entirely accurate.
00:23:32.000 So many of my patients over the past several years have talked to me about how they think that Trump is Hitler.
00:23:40.000 They think he's a Nazi.
00:23:41.000 He's going to round up certain segments of the population, send them off to a faraway island.
00:23:48.000 And we all know this isn't true, but some people actually believe this.
00:23:53.000 And when all you do is surround yourself with like-minded people, you actually do start to believe that.
00:23:59.000 And it becomes easier to villainize Trump or ICE officers or police officers.
00:24:07.000 And I think that's partially what we have playing out on the streets across America and specifically in Minnesota.
00:24:13.000 Jonathan, does this...
00:24:15.000 Is there like any end stage for this?
00:24:17.000 It just, it feels so, it feels like this does end in some sort of like catastrophic mental meltdown.
00:24:22.000 I mean, we've seen some of these people who they just seem super genuinely mentally unwell.
00:24:28.000 Is this a phase that passes and they get over it?
00:24:30.000 Does it get worse and worse?
00:24:32.000 I guess it just doesn't seem super stable to me.
00:24:36.000 Is there healing?
00:24:37.000 Well, it's definitely not stable.
00:24:39.000 And I've appeared on Fox TV a number of times and I've discussed how political division is wreaking havoc on our society.
00:24:48.000 And we just came out of the holiday season and I had patients who refused to attend holiday dinner with their Trump voting uncle or their progressive cousin.
00:24:59.000 And this really needs to end.
00:25:02.000 One of the things that I urge my patients to think about is that family and friends should be more important than any political figure or political party.
00:25:13.000 Unfortunately, we're not seeing that and it's reached a bit of a fever pitch over the past few years.
00:25:20.000 So people really need to get back to what's important to them.
00:25:23.000 And honestly, most of my patients are too busy trying to earn a living and support their families than to go on the streets and protest law enforcement officers.
00:25:34.000 Well, so you say the family and friend part is important.
00:25:39.000 Why do you think we've gotten away from that?
00:25:41.000 We've talked about that on the show a lot.
00:25:42.000 Charlie, you talk about that a lot, that there is that loss of family.
00:25:45.000 It seems so widespread, though, that it clearly seems systematic, institutional, societal.
00:25:52.000 I'm not sure people, it seems like people just can't have the friends and family that they used to.
00:25:56.000 Everyone's too online.
00:25:59.000 Is that the case, do you feel?
00:26:01.000 Yeah, and people are, they're not looking at facts and data.
00:26:05.000 They're looking at the situation through the lens of emotion.
00:26:09.000 And that's really largely what's driving a lot of the behaviors that we're seeing playing out, a lot of the pathological behaviors.
00:26:16.000 And if people could get back to friends, family, kids, passions, hopefully that don't include politics, I think we'd get back to a much better place as a nation.
00:26:28.000 So this is the new clip that's going around.
00:26:31.000 And, you know, obviously the death of Renee Goode, we do not celebrate that.
00:26:37.000 We actually feel terrible that she was convinced that this was a good idea for her to go in the streets and obstruct ICE officers and that it ended in her death.
00:26:45.000 And we think that's a tragedy.
00:26:47.000 That being said, there's another video that seems to be riling everybody up.
00:26:50.000 My question for you on the other side of this video is when does activism, agitation turn into direct and outright violence?
00:26:58.000 And what are the precursors for that?
00:26:59.000 334.
00:27:00.000 I want to move my car!
00:27:06.000 I am CSPA! 0.60
00:27:10.000 I am on this pick and I have a brain injury.
00:27:12.000 Put me down! 1.00
00:27:14.000 I was just trying to get to the background.
00:27:19.000 So she was blocking ICE agents in the street.
00:27:23.000 She was told to get out of the way.
00:27:25.000 She didn't obey commands, which seems to be a theme here.
00:27:28.000 I don't know if they're getting trained to intentionally disobey law enforcement commands and orders.
00:27:35.000 But this is the video that is now being used to rile up more activists, more agitation, more agitprop, if you will.
00:27:42.000 Is this what they do intentionally so that a few crazies become willing to use actual violence?
00:27:48.000 Yeah, I actually think that's part of what's going on here.
00:27:50.000 I think these people have simply lost sight of morals and what's important.
00:27:57.000 And we have laws in place for a reason.
00:28:00.000 And I think they're just overlooking the fact that these laws exist.
00:28:04.000 And, you know, if these people are parents, if they're spouses, I don't think that's coming into their thinking in that moment when they decide to violate or not obey the law enforcement officers.
00:28:19.000 But that shows you just how powerful this is.
00:28:22.000 People are willing to sacrifice indirectly, unconsciously, their lives for this cause that's not even rooted in fact.
00:28:30.000 So it's deeply concerning to me as a mental health professional what we're seeing play out on the streets.
00:28:36.000 It used to be that you would go out there and make some noise and get your statements out there and get your thoughts out there.
00:28:43.000 But now we have people that are actually risking their lives.
00:28:46.000 And that's a very dangerous place to be.
00:28:49.000 Yeah, and I guess the question is, you know, and this hits home for us personally with what happened with Charlie, is this dehumanizing language ultimately makes some of these crazy people think that they're doing something righteous when they use violence.
00:29:04.000 When you call them Gestapo, when you call them Nazis, what are the precursors? 0.62
00:29:08.000 What do you need to look for with people that could be actually turning violent and using guns, cars, whatever?
00:29:14.000 Yeah, and that's what I saw with President Trump as well.
00:29:18.000 We had people that would just demonize him.
00:29:22.000 They were convinced that he was a Nazi, a dictator.
00:29:26.000 And that just gave them the right in their pathologic mind to take action.
00:29:33.000 I think these people lack purpose in their lives.
00:29:36.000 I think there's underlying anxiety, depression.
00:29:39.000 There's a lot of catastrophic thinking, a whole lot of drama in their lives.
00:29:45.000 And these people largely need an object to displace that onto.
00:29:50.000 And we saw it here in New York with the election of Mamdani and the hatred towards wealthy people.
00:29:58.000 It almost seems like they always need someone to blame for their own shortcomings.
00:30:03.000 There was once a time when we would look at wealthy people and feel inspired by them and try to figure out how we could get to that place.
00:30:11.000 But now in some people's mind, we go right towards hatred.
00:30:16.000 So admiration doesn't seem to exist these days.
00:30:19.000 Doctor, you said that 75% of your patients, and this is one of your viral stories, have what you would call TDS.
00:30:26.000 You know, you're saying it's not an actual diagnosis, not clinical, but this is what you would describe.
00:30:30.000 About 75%.
00:30:32.000 Is that right?
00:30:33.000 Yeah, and it's not an actual diagnosis, but a lot of what I'm seeing, the symptoms, the high anxiety, people rearranging their lives, deciding who they date, who they're friends with, whether they can take a vacation or not.
00:30:48.000 These are pretty significant actions that are happening.
00:30:53.000 And I would say about three quarters of my patients are impacted by this in some way.
00:30:59.000 And I even went so far as to say it's the defining pathology of the last half decade.
00:31:06.000 Well, hopefully we can get through this, Doctor.
00:31:10.000 Thank you for your time.
00:31:11.000 We appreciate your insight.
00:31:12.000 All right.
00:31:13.000 And we'll talk about that.
00:31:13.000 God bless you.
00:31:14.000 Thank you, thank you.
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00:32:41.000 So while we've been discussing all of this drama with ICE, there's other drama unfolding in the furthest hyperborean north.
00:32:50.000 With ice.
00:32:51.000 With ice.
00:32:52.000 A lot of ice.
00:32:52.000 Not ice amounts of ice.
00:32:54.000 No, true story.
00:32:55.000 So Greenland, the legend goes, I don't remember if this is true, but the legend goes, Ice Land is there.
00:33:01.000 That's full of ice.
00:33:02.000 And then Eric the Red sails further and discovers Greenland, and he names, supposedly he names it Greenland to scam people into wanting to move there.
00:33:12.000 They did have North settlements there for a long time.
00:33:16.000 It didn't work out great for them.
00:33:18.000 They were, I believe, eventually they were conquered.
00:33:21.000 They kind of, they had too much inbreeding and they kind of fell into societal decay.
00:33:24.000 There were only a few thousand people there.
00:33:26.000 And they were eventually conquered and killed by the Inuits, who were not the original native inhabitants either. 0.99
00:33:31.000 And then eventually Denmark reacquired it.
00:33:33.000 So it's not that they were always there.
00:33:35.000 They actually reacquired it later after this.
00:33:38.000 They've been holding it a long time.
00:33:39.000 As I'm sure all of you know by now, President Trump has become very interested in acquiring Greenland.
00:33:45.000 There's a lot of reasons to do that.
00:33:46.000 It is super far north.
00:33:48.000 And so a lot of you may know, other than the Alaska being near Russia, the fastest way for America to European Russia is straight north over the North Pole.
00:33:59.000 That matters a lot for things like nuclear submarines, ICBMs, all of those things.
00:34:05.000 It's just fastest point between two areas on the globe.
00:34:08.000 And so we've had military bases in Greenland ever since throughout the Cold War.
00:34:13.000 It's all noteworthy.
00:34:14.000 On top of that, it's a big chunk of land.
00:34:17.000 There are potentially a lot of natural resources beneath the thick Greenland ice sheet.
00:34:22.000 It could be economical to extract those someday as other sources of resources run out.
00:34:28.000 So President Trump's been very interested in that.
00:34:30.000 Today, the Danish foreign minister was in the United States in the Eisenhower building to have a meeting with JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
00:34:43.000 Sounds like we're going to have a press statement from those Danish ministers any minute now.
00:34:48.000 It'll be interesting what they say.
00:34:50.000 We've heard that it went very well.
00:34:53.000 We have a source who was at the meeting who saw what the vice president and what Marco Rubio did.
00:34:58.000 Remember, they're supposed to be in a feud with each other, but they seem to be working.
00:35:01.000 They're not.
00:35:01.000 They're not, of course, they are allies.
00:35:03.000 They are working together on this.
00:35:04.000 They're very close, actually.
00:35:05.000 Yeah, of course they are.
00:35:06.000 And apparently they have made us proud on this one.
00:35:09.000 It's very interesting what's going on.
00:35:12.000 The White House, it's clear this is a passion project of the president.
00:35:16.000 Just today, the White House tweeted, which way Greenland man, and it's two kind of sled dog things at the Greenland flag.
00:35:24.000 And, you know, he can go with America or with China, Russia.
00:35:27.000 And that's the line President Trump was taking today.
00:35:29.000 He also posted this on Truth this morning.
00:35:32.000 The United States, the United States needs Greenland for the purpose of national security.
00:35:37.000 It is vital for the Golden Dome.
00:35:39.000 That's his missile defense shield that we are building.
00:35:42.000 NATO should be leading the way for us to get it. 0.95
00:35:45.000 If we don't, China or Russia will, and that is not going to happen.
00:35:49.000 Militarily, without the vast power of the United States, much of which I built during my first term and am now bringing to a new and even higher level, NATO would not be an effective force or deterrent.
00:35:59.000 Not even close.
00:36:00.000 They know that, and so do I. NATO becomes more formidable and effective with Greenland in the hands of the United States.
00:36:07.000 Anything less than that is unacceptable.
00:36:10.000 And as always, thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald Trump.
00:36:14.000 So this is, it's all very interesting.
00:36:16.000 I think the president is right.
00:36:17.000 It makes more sense for Greenland to be with the United States.
00:36:21.000 What I do worry is he is definitely making this hard sell on it.
00:36:25.000 He's being very aggressive with Greenland.
00:36:27.000 He's being very aggressive with the Europeans.
00:36:30.000 And maybe I'm a softie.
00:36:31.000 I think there's a very strong win-win-win case.
00:36:33.000 And you see the echoes of that in what he's saying, which is that it would make NATO and our defense stronger if it's with the United States in some sort of permanent arrangement.
00:36:42.000 As is, we have the bases there.
00:36:43.000 We've always had military access to it.
00:36:46.000 Especially after World War II.
00:36:47.000 Exactly.
00:36:47.000 Greenland negotiated this before World War II.
00:36:49.000 There's an active Greenland independence movement.
00:36:52.000 And I think people who do the math wonder: well, if Greenland were to get become independent, it's not very big.
00:36:58.000 Its population is under 100,000 people.
00:37:00.000 It's like 50,000 people.
00:37:02.000 There's fewer people in it than in Tempe.
00:37:04.000 There's fewer people there than in.
00:37:06.000 I think there's probably individual square miles of New York City that have more people than Greenland does. 0.60
00:37:15.000 And so if you do the math on this, it's just an island that big is not going to be a truly independent country.
00:37:21.000 It's going to be dependent on somebody.
00:37:23.000 The same way a lot of Pacific islands are basically dependent on the United States or on Australia.
00:37:29.000 And so it's going to be dependent on someone.
00:37:31.000 If it became independent, it could be that it will fall under Russian or Chinese sway.
00:37:35.000 They might just back up a dump truck of money and say, we're going to try to buy you out.
00:37:39.000 Or they might just bribe people.
00:37:40.000 There's not a lot of people.
00:37:41.000 You could bribe the entire government, something like that.
00:37:43.000 And so Trump is saying that's not an acceptable outcome.
00:37:47.000 But he could also point out Greenland is basically a welfare ward of Denmark.
00:37:52.000 Denmark does not profit off of this arrangement.
00:37:54.000 They spend four billion billions a year propping it up.
00:37:58.000 America is far more capable of handling that expense.
00:38:03.000 Oh, well, we have to support 55,000 mostly welfare dependents.
00:38:07.000 We do that in a lot of Chicago suburbs too.
00:38:09.000 And so we're able to bear that cost more.
00:38:11.000 And we can say, Denmark, thank you for doing this.
00:38:14.000 You're a great ally.
00:38:15.000 Here's a giant pile of money.
00:38:18.000 And also, we'll guarantee a giant pile of money for the Greenlanders. 0.96
00:38:22.000 Like we can give them more money than you do, and we get better security.
00:38:26.000 I think there's a very strong win-win-win case to be made here. 0.99
00:38:30.000 And what I think would be the worst outcome is just if this turns into some stupid fight, and that's what we don't want. 0.91
00:38:36.000 Is as an example, let's say we make it so anti-U.S. national, like nationalism in Europe is now associated with being on the left and against America. 0.91
00:38:46.000 And this allows the left to win just enough elections for them to great replace their entire populations.
00:38:50.000 A pyrrhic victory.
00:38:52.000 Very much a pyrrhic victory if you're a European nationalist.
00:38:55.000 Yeah, well, and so I think the question that a lot of people have is: right now we have access to the bases.
00:39:02.000 So we do have some sort of military foothold there.
00:39:05.000 We could build more potentially.
00:39:07.000 I'm sure Denmark would be willing to negotiate it.
00:39:09.000 Why push for full ownership?
00:39:12.000 I think it's that independence question that there's that lack of permanency to it.
00:39:17.000 Anything that is not a truly permanent relationship can be changed.
00:39:23.000 And there is that independence movement in Greenland.
00:39:28.000 And once they're an independent actor, anything can happen.
00:39:32.000 If you want an example of how very long-term arrangements can change, Britain, when they had Hong Kong in the south of China, they made a 99-year lease.
00:39:41.000 And the story goes that they made it 99 years because permanent felt weird.
00:39:45.000 And the guy thought, well, 99 years is basically permanent, right?
00:39:48.000 99 years was not permanent.
00:39:50.000 It expired and they gave up Hong Kong to the People's Republic of China.
00:39:54.000 And a long-term military base in Greenland, that can change after one election in Denmark or after one independence referendum in Greenland.
00:40:03.000 Well said.
00:40:04.000 And that is why President Trump knows the value of permanency.
00:40:08.000 It is a real interest here.
00:40:10.000 And we just have to hope that Marco Rubio and the vice president are able to make that strong pitch to the Danish government.
00:40:18.000 Well, so far, indications are that it was a very positive meeting.
00:40:21.000 So we're going to wait and see what those press statements indicate.
00:40:25.000 Hopefully that they are positive.
00:40:27.000 And listen, at some point, you have to give this to the Greenlanders themselves.
00:40:30.000 There's 57,000 of them.
00:40:32.000 They probably do, are incentivized by a payday coming up if they link arms with the United States in a permanent fashion.
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