Mike Cernovich joins the show to discuss his thoughts on the No Kings protest in NYC and how they should be handled in the future. The No Kings are a group of pro-American students who are fighting against authoritarianism and fascism.
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00:01:08.000Alright, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000Executive producer Andrew Colbitt here with Mikey McCoy.
00:01:27.000You put out a tweet this uh weekend in regards to the No Kings protest that I I thought 10 out of 10, one of the top thoughts that I saw floating around.
00:01:54.000Mike, tell us what uh you were thinking there.
00:01:57.000Yeah, well, what what prompted that thinking was the we take it for granted if you're a conservative or right wing, we take it for granted that we live a completely different life.
00:02:08.000Not not to use too much language of therapy, but the trauma is so baked in that we don't realize that it's not normal.
00:03:18.000There would be disruption, violence, attacks that couldn't happen.
00:03:22.000Meanwhile, uh a mayor of candidate who's who's taking an endorsement from an unended co-conspirator in a World Trade Center attack.
00:03:31.000They can go go about their day and have all the joy in the world or all the fun in the world.
00:03:37.000The No Kings protesters can do whatever they want, but they want to act like they're the good guys and that somehow they're protesting against authoritarianism and fascism.
00:03:47.000Yeah, it's it I I think it was such a striking tweet because I I think it made me realize you kind of you bring up trauma.
00:03:57.000I mean, that's something very real to this show.
00:03:59.000I can tell you, Mikey was there when Charlie lost his life when he was murdered.
00:04:37.000There, there were images of the San Jose Trump rally or where people are lined up and being chased down by mobs of savages.
00:04:46.000There was a Trump rally that was supposed to occur in Chicago, but rioting and violence and gang attacks made it so that Trump had to cancel a rally.
00:04:54.000That was one of the few rallies that had to be canceled.
00:04:57.000Everyone, and and again, like we just sort of we take it for granted because you know, blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
00:05:05.000But I I think it's that that's all been taken a little bit too far where we we shouldn't we shouldn't have to live like this, right?
00:05:12.000And we have because again, when you when you live in um a situation where essentially dealing with mass abuse by the left law fair, oh oh which one of your friends, you know, Tyler does never like to mention it.
00:05:25.000You know, I I've posted about it many times.
00:05:29.000He was indicted in one of those elector cases.
00:05:32.000People don't even know because our people don't want to call attention to it, right?
00:05:51.000Well, have you had have you had the talk to your kids yet about what happens when the bad guys come in from the Biden regime or the Kamala Harris regime and they just take your dad away.
00:06:00.000That's something that everybody has had to have that conversation, right?
00:06:06.000And then and then when you you you somebody like Shakespeare, which is what I was trying to do with that tweet, which is why I think it resonated with so many people is when someone like Shakespeare, like, man, this isn't this isn't normal, right?
00:06:19.000That this hypervigilance isn't normal.
00:06:21.000This is the product of dealing with the the Marxists, the Bolsheviks, the terrorists, and we've taken it for granted, and we shouldn't take it for granted.
00:06:31.000Now, what we have to do constructively to fight it is is a different conversation altogether, though.
00:06:37.000But the first thing that must happen is the realization that no, this is actually not normal.
00:06:45.000Yeah, well, and and I I Mikey's got some thoughts on the young Republicans tweets that are going around everywhere, and or the the group chat, the leak group chat.
00:06:54.000But I just want to show you this image first here, Mike.
00:07:01.000And this this was spotted, I believe, in Denver, and it says, uh yeah, Denver communists.
00:07:06.000So they they they just put up a booth, Denver communist, Charlie Kirk had it coming, changed my mind.
00:07:12.000And they're sitting there under a tent like Charlie, where he was murdered, and they're sitting there putting up peace signs with their hands.
00:07:22.000They're not they're not afraid that somebody's gonna hurt them, they're not afraid that there's gonna be a sniper on some building.
00:07:28.000They get to do that open, just absolutely vile behavior out in public.
00:07:34.000And and the second level of this, though, in I had a companion tweet that didn't go as viral, but I think should have is it's they they only exist because of state protection.
00:07:44.000So for so, for example, you've dealt with this at turning point.
00:07:47.000People who come in and kick over your table.
00:07:49.000The campus police say, well, what can you do?
00:07:51.000This or other law enforcement say, well, that's a civil matter, even though it's not, but they always say they always go, oh, that's a civil matter.
00:07:58.000So apparently you're supposed to find them and sue them.
00:08:01.000But if a one of our people went and kicked that over, police would lock hands, and state power would be used immediately to bring on the full force of the law to destroy that person.
00:08:11.000And that's the anarcho-tyranny that's the neo-Bolshevik is sorry, the neo-Bolshevikism that we live under.
00:08:18.000And it couldn't exist without state power because frankly, if our people reacted to them the way they react to us, even to 10%, those people wouldn't be out in public.
00:08:28.000If someone just came over and kicked the table over and said, What do you do about it?
00:10:00.000Again, we're not talking them going after civilians.
00:10:03.000It was Proud Boys and Antifa, the Proud Boys win, and then state power comes down like a ton of bricks on the Proud Boys, and these young men go to prison in some cases for five to seven years.
00:10:16.000And I didn't see anybody, me, a couple other people, you know, Charlie, you know, Charlie talked about before too, but very small minority of people said this is how they exist.
00:10:26.000Antifa doesn't exist without state power.
00:10:29.000Yeah, that's a it's a really important insight too.
00:10:32.000And I do think that the you know, our laws, our our criminal justice systems are geared to see left-coated protest or violence as sort of an extension of the civil rights era, and they they're geared to see right wing protest or whatever as violent and illegal.
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00:11:56.000Mikey, you got you got something you want to talk about here.
00:11:59.000Yeah, I just I I thought you said it well, Andrew.
00:12:02.000We have to live with the trauma of this every single day with what happened.
00:12:06.000Um, and I thought Mike's tweet was just excellent about how these people for the rest of their lives, when when they take to the streets, they don't have to worry about snipers, thugs, Antifa, and all the while the left media is fawning over them.
00:12:18.000When I step outside, I automatically chef check rooftops to see if there's a sniper because that's something I have to live with for the rest of my life.
00:12:24.000Or when you go to an event, you ask them how good the security is.
00:12:27.000But then even more than that, you have these people publicly with signs and making motions to their neck with uh uh uh uh finger guns, and you have people going with a change my mind, Charlie Kirk had it coming signs.
00:12:41.000These are public statements that these people are making, yet you're gonna try to draw some moral false equivalence to some YR out of context private group chat.
00:12:53.000And to defend Andrew a little bit, because he got this question if he's gonna condemn it.
00:12:57.000If you're gonna have to condemn these young people for private group chat that was leaked for out-of-context messages, uh you're gonna have to you're condemn one-fifth of the college population for making off-color jokes in group chats.
00:13:10.000There is no moral equivalence between the left and the right when it comes to things like this.
00:13:15.000You guys are breeding political assassins, and on the right, we have leaked group chats.
00:13:20.000You have somebody to running to be the top cop in one of the biggest states where a nation's capital happens to be, saying that he wants to see five and seven year olds die because they're bred little fascists.
00:13:44.000And it's it's unfortunate that I mean to take to take things a different matter to it to a different level.
00:13:51.000Like I I've told people, and I think now people more take it seriously.
00:13:56.000A lot of times people thought I was, you know, abuse and hyperbole or crank.
00:13:59.000And I said, Look, man, if you're a conservative writing political commentator, you have to train jiu-jitsu, you have to lift, you have to have a CCW, and people uh would look at me like I'm crazy, right?
00:14:11.000And even some of the people going after the group tax would now we know that what they are and how they're deceivers, but they would lie and say, Oh, Cernovich is always trying to promote militancy, and it was never about militancy, it was always about this is just the way you this is the way you have to live.
00:14:28.000You have to walk around, you have to look around, and somebody says your name, friend or foe.
00:14:52.000None of these people that the No Kings protests have to think like that.
00:14:56.000Somebody says their name and they're wondering, okay, is there about to be an altercation right now?
00:15:00.000It are things about to get a little bit real.
00:15:02.000If there is an altercation and I succeed in it, am I gonna now have to deal with the Soros DA?
00:15:09.000Am I gonna have to deal with an AG like in Virginia who who wants to kill my children?
00:15:14.000What would he do to you if you're involved in an altercation and you're attacked?
00:15:19.000Is he gonna go through everybody's tax records, file false criminal charges?
00:15:23.000Because if you kill a kid, you'll you'll file false charges, right?
00:15:27.000That that's what I think people are also missing out on.
00:15:29.000It's not just uh the evil of what he said, but knowing that if if that's what he said he would do is kill children, then why wouldn't he frame you for criminal charges?
00:15:43.000Meanwhile, you can you get to you know, you geezers get to go on their old king, their no king's protests and walk around like they're doing something, and by the way, they're all covidians.
00:15:51.000They they installed a de facto king Fauci, right?
00:15:56.000If you want to have a no kings protest, then you would have protested Fauci.
00:16:00.000Listen, Mike, you're making some amazing points here because you know, to Mikey's point, it's a terrible reality.
00:16:07.000But yeah, when I walk outside in certain situations, I look at the the rooftops now.
00:16:14.000And these people, so I find myself on a stage at this news nation Cuomo town hall, and this little you know punk from Midas Touch or whatever comes up and says, you know, uh, do you disavow the young Republican group group chat?
00:16:30.000And I'm thinking to myself, I don't know these people.
00:16:32.000I don't know if they're worth you know throwing a bone to given the, you know, but I'm sorry, I'm my instinct is no longer to say, hey, I'm gonna condemn and ruin this young man's life for saying something stupid.
00:16:45.000Like I'm not gonna say it wasn't stupid.
00:16:47.000I'm not, I mean, it's not something that I text privately, but I'm also, you know, I'm not 20 anymore.
00:16:53.000And these, you know, I have no idea the context.
00:16:57.000But here's my point is that my friend just got killed in cold blood by apparently a left winger that had uh Antifa slogans on the belt uh bullet casings, and they are out in the streets proudly without any shame, without any, you know, sense of, hey, maybe I shouldn't be doing this, maybe this makes me a terrible human, celebrating the murder of my friend.
00:17:21.000And so I have to, I'm put in a position where I have to condemn something that was said in private that was probably a bad joke.
00:17:28.000And meanwhile, they're not even willing to condemn their own side that is glorifying the murder of an innocent man.
00:17:34.000And so, yeah, there is no moral equivalency to to to your point, Mikey.
00:17:39.000And it's it's just a shocking, shocking reality that we have to live.
00:17:42.000I feel like every year there's this new outrage of how can this be normal?
00:17:49.000How can they force millions of people to wear masks and get a shot that they don't want to get, or they can't go get eat or uh uh, you know, they can't eat at a restaurant, they can't work their job, or they can't work in the military.
00:18:00.000And then and then next the next year there's something even more insane.
00:18:04.000They they they try and kill President Trump.
00:18:07.000And then they glorify it in the streets.
00:18:09.000And then we're the ones that are bad because we're not willing to condemn some young people in New York that I don't even know, and I don't even know the context of the statements they made.
00:18:17.000And by the way, we're under no moral obligation to disavow anyone or anything.
00:18:22.000That that's that's I'm not gonna play their game, Mike.
00:18:43.000And something that too that I've also noticed about the disabled game, and it frustrates me when people who claim to be Christians really ride this high horse on this, is I know for a fact from reading the Bible that if you take the Christian approach to the group, the group text, you would be reaching out to the young men and young women and saying, you know, can we talk about how this looks or what what led you to this?
00:19:07.000This condemnation is fire and brimstone.
00:19:10.000No offense to you guys, but it's fire and brimstone Protestantism.
00:19:14.000And that's why you're seeing a lot, a lot of this reaction is politics isn't for fire and brimstone preaching.
00:19:21.000Politics is uh a social construct involving two competing sides.
00:19:26.000And if everybody doesn't abide by the same rules and one one side says, Oh, we're taking the high ground, then you're gonna lose and you're gonna lose your country and you're gonna lose everything.
00:19:36.000Nothing, and then they go, Well, well, it's principle.
00:19:39.000The the principle, the the Christian principle, the Christian principle is if you're concerned about this stuff, you reach out to people.
00:19:48.000You say, brother, I'm praying for you.
00:19:50.000I saw this message, and I think you're living a glib life.
00:19:53.000I know that you didn't mean it in a hateful way, but your approach to the world is is shallow, and you're not living with the kind of gravitas and sincerity and seriousness that you should as a man.
00:20:05.000So the whole the whole again, conversation's a distraction because no matter how you look at it, from whatever perspective you look at, you realize it's it's fake outrage and it's people doing the bidding of the left.
00:20:17.000And again, people you if you want to disavow these people, do it in a month.
00:20:22.000You don't have to join the left when they're doing it.
00:20:24.000You don't have to do it on their timeline.
00:20:25.000No, and if you are doing it on their timeline, then the question is what master are you serving?
00:20:36.000You've been through these these uh battles back and forth for years.
00:20:40.000That's why we wanted to have you on today because you just have a perspective on this stuff that the context is important and you've seen how it's evolved over the years.
00:20:47.000So Mike Cernovich, thank you so much for joining us.
00:20:49.000Uh, and thanks for being a great friend to Charlie all those years.
00:21:23.000You are a force of nature, Charlie Kirk.
00:21:25.000One of these days, I'm gonna give you an honorary degree.
00:21:27.000That that would be the honor of my life.
00:21:29.000But I I got a lot more learning yet to do.
00:21:31.000And I say this the Hillsdale courses have changed my life.
00:21:33.000Through Hillsdale College's free online courses, Charlie studied the Bible, the classics, the American founding, and through his relentless pursuit of truth, became not only a great American, but a good man.
00:21:44.000Charlie's gone, but his spirit of hard work and lifelong learning carry on.
00:21:47.000Each of us can follow his example and pick up where he left off.
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00:24:00.000And those students, they showed up with enthusiasm, they showed up with faith, they showed up with courage, because it was uh very short time after the brutal assassination of Charlie.
00:24:12.000And and yet they were there and they wanted to be there.
00:24:16.000There was a line out the door of students who couldn't get in.
00:24:19.000And to be there and talk about faith and to talk about commitment and to talk about what it means to be an American, yeah, was overwhelming.
00:24:27.000And I can't tell you how exciting it is to see you all doing it all over the country, just like Charlie wants to do it.
00:24:33.000Well, you mentioned faith a lot, and it seems like that's an important thing to you, Governor.
00:24:37.000What we have clip 398, which is you praying backstage with Meg and Kelly before you guys went out there.
00:24:43.000I'd love for you to just kind of talk about your faith journey and how important that's been to you.
00:24:46.000But if we could play this clip, that would be great.
00:24:49.000Voices tonight speak your truth, not ours.
00:24:52.000That our friends that are here tonight feel energized by the evening and inspired to go to your will.
00:25:00.000I ask for your hedge of protection around everything.
00:25:03.000I ask you for the inspiration and the words we choose so we have the tongue of the wise for A and hand me.
00:25:10.000Most importantly, Father, we just thank you for your son.
00:25:13.000That through his death and resurrections, we are reconciled with you.
00:26:32.000A life with him is is an ordered one, is what Charlie used to always say.
00:26:35.000So looking ahead to 2020, uh, and and looking back to 2024, the youth delivered the White House, or at least helped deliver the White House for President Trump, and will play a huge role in 2028.
00:26:49.000President Trump won the youth vote in Michigan and many other states.
00:26:52.000And Charlie was kind of granted the title of youth whisperer by President Trump.
00:26:58.000With Charlie being gone, do you see a threat in Gen Z being the voting block that kind of is going to be the one to deliver a majority in the House, uh, but also the presidency in 2028.
00:27:38.000There's a revival going on across this nation, and you can see it and feel it every single day.
00:27:43.000And just in the Commonwealth of Virginia, I just was told that since Charlie's assassination, there's been 44 new high school turning point chapters that have started.
00:27:54.000We're seeing chapters in our universities uh come where there weren't before.
00:27:59.000And I think that is what this is all about, which is Charlie's legacy is in fact Charlie.
00:28:07.000And everyone understands that he spoke truth and that he stood for faith and honesty.
00:28:13.000And and I constantly see t-shirts that say freedom on them.
00:28:18.000And that, my friends, is why I have such great faith in our future because of the generation that is stepping up and leading and not staying on the sidelines.
00:28:36.000And Charlie was uh a tremendous believer in Christ in the Bible is the foundation of everything that he lived for.
00:28:42.000And it's been beautiful to see how many people have been led to Christ because of everything that's happened, or people who have been inspired to join a turning point chapter or get involved on our campuses.
00:28:51.000Um I I am interested to see as this energy continues.
00:28:55.000We are at an all-time high at Turning Point USA with the energy.
00:28:59.000But on the right, I'm just hoping that that people can continue to reach out to the Gen Z and have a voice for them.
00:29:05.000And the thing that I just keep saying is on campus, Charlie was debating and bringing truth half the time.
00:29:10.000The other half the time he had his microphone on the table and he was listening to them and their problems, and then he'd bring their problems to Capitol Hill and say, the youth are dealing with this issue.
00:29:18.000So that's something I think we can all be looking for.
00:29:22.000Right before we started, we had talked about the debate this this last week and um talking about how how great of a job Winsome Earl Sears had had done.
00:29:33.000Um but we're just gonna play clip 388 super quick and then we'll just do a quick reaction to that.
00:29:39.000Do you still continue to endorse Jay Jones?
00:30:34.000I I I don't understand how hard it is to say it's wrong to threaten to kill children.
00:30:40.000And therefore, I can't support somebody running for attorney general, the top cop in the Commonwealth of Virginia, the people's protector who says, first I want to put two bullets in someone's head, and then I want to see their children die in their mother's arms, and then a few cops need to die too.
00:30:57.000And why she can say he shouldn't be voted in to serve as attorney general because I couldn't put him in the I couldn't put him in my cabinet.
00:31:05.000He couldn't get a job as a district attorney, he could never pass a background test.
00:31:10.000And the fact she can't say it is stunning.
00:31:13.000I mean, she had three chances there to say the very simple words, he's disqualified, he should not be attorney general, and he should step down from the race and to show courage.
00:31:23.000But instead, some word salad with no answer in it, which I think furthers everyone's recognition that the Democrat Party is embracing a candidate who is espoused violence.
00:31:35.000And they run around and and try to say, oh, we shouldn't have any violence.
00:31:39.000We should have no violence in the I mean we're sitting here at Turning Point and we're talking about uh violence against your political enemies, and there could be no moment where we say anything other than it's abhorrent and we we mourn what's happened.
00:31:54.000And the fact that she can't say that and tell this candidate to step down, I think is is beyond uh a moment of of lack of moral clarity, and I think it's very defining for her own morality.
00:32:07.000Yeah, I I'm worried about the increase in violence on the left.
00:32:11.000I mean, as we stand here at this empty seat right here, and um someone who've had has had a massive impact on the younger generation and so many people in this country and across the world and the no kings protest is about to happen.
00:32:25.000Uh, I uh there's an Atlantic article about the MAGA has found their George Floyd, and I just have a I struggle with that because the left, when that happened, burned cities to the ground and Wendy's and cars and homes, and when Charlie was assassinated, we peacefully gathered, worshipped for three hours, thousands gave their lives to the Lord.
00:32:47.000277,000 people came to Charlie's memorial, and I am increasingly worried about the direction that the left is headed in.
00:32:58.000Our good friends at Angel Studios, I love Angel Studios, amazing new film uh this holy week, phenomenal.
00:33:06.000As I think about Charlie's life and how much of the support he was of Angel, it's hard not to feel so grateful for what he did.
00:33:13.000He supported us in our darkest days and in our brightest hours as a company.
00:33:18.000Jeff and I and Charlie were doing lunch together.
00:33:20.000We asked him, we said, Are you are you at all worried about one of these college campuses?
00:33:24.000And he just said with so much peace in his his eyes and so much peace in his heart.
00:33:29.000If that's how God takes me, then that's how I'm supposed to go.
00:33:32.000And I feel like that was a clear message that Charlie's life is a testimony to Jesus Christ, his Lord and Savior, and his relationship with him was the most important thing that he would want the world to remember about his legacy.
00:33:46.000Man, are we grateful to have gotten to be a little connection in the multitude of connections that he made throughout his life because it was so impactful to us.
00:34:18.000What are you doing as governor and what is going on in Virginia with National Guard, Virginia law enforcement, and I'd love for you to kind of respond on the left getting increasingly violent as as the Democrat Party moves further and further to the left.
00:34:34.000Well, that is the issue, which is we've got the left liberal progressive wing of the Democrat Party who is absorbed it all, and we've seen their leaders over the years espouse awful things, calling everyone Nazis and fascist and and even calling for violent protests.
00:34:54.000And Abigail Spamberger, in fact, as the Democrat candidate in Virginia has said, let your rage fuel you.
00:35:01.000I mean, this is the rhetoric over and over and over again.
00:35:04.000And and so as a governor, when there is a big protest planned with no kings, um, I've got to expect for the worse and then pray for the best.
00:35:23.000In fact, so much of the constitution was based on Virginian's writings, and and the idea of being able to gather and protest peacefully is protected, and I swore an oath to protect it, and I always will protect it.
00:35:37.000However, if there is any transgression where there's uh where there's any vandalism or there's violence or there's disruption of traffic or safety concerns, we have to make sure that people are safe.
00:35:51.000And so we have a huge increase in law enforcement presence.
00:35:55.000And yes, I've asked the the the Virginia National Guard to pre-position So that we're ready.
00:36:03.000And we've communicated with all the leaders of the protest organizations, and there's 90 different protests organized over the common around the Commonwealth of Virginia.
00:36:11.000And I want to make sure that everyone is safe.
00:36:13.000But I want to get back to the issue at hand, which is the liberal left wing of the Democrat Party has indeed absorbed it all.
00:36:22.000And you can see that even folks you would expect to be a little bit more reasonable can't fight back anymore.
00:38:09.000And well, it can't happen because Virginia has to stand up and vote no Joe J no Jay Jones, no Abigail Spamberger, because we're better than this.
00:38:31.000Now, listen, every law enforcement agency has asked him to step down and said that he's unfit.
00:38:36.000This is a someone who's got to comfort a mother whose children have died, and yet he called for the death of a two-year-old and a five-year-old.
00:38:43.000There's just no way he can possibly serve in this role effectively at all.
00:38:49.000I mean, this guy shouldn't be elected for anything.
00:38:52.000Worse yet, I think it is reflective of where the Democrat Party has moved.
00:38:57.000It has moved to a place where they are unable to ask him to step down because they are so in league with the progressive left and their violent rhetoric that has for years now been trying to prosecute the president.
00:39:13.000We saw the president nearly assassinated twice.
00:39:16.000We had two other uh Republican House candidates in Virginia with death threats.
00:39:21.000I mean, this is where they are in so many areas, and this is why I can't understand why it takes such a huge push to get them to do what's right.